1 John Paul Jones wept.

2 ipso, I see what you did there.

3 Fuck you, Starfleet!

4

Yep.

_nsfw?

5 This is no big deal.  Glad we got this out of the way.  Now we can just move on.

6 Now Captain Honors can run for the Senate

7 This man's actions were unforgivable!

8 The sidebar story about Barry calling the Eagles but being "unable" to call the Gold Star mother has me seething with rage.

As far as the Navy goes, this is just the beginning.  PC will be the death of the military.

9 The Russians and Chinese are celebrating.

10 Hurt feelings and political correctness trump decades of honorable service and readiness for war.

Good thing we repealed DADT!

11 It's so dark in here.  I'm sorry, I didn't know I would go blind right away.

12 I'm insulted by the comparison.

13 Haven't seen all the videos, but what I've seen on the news seems no worse than what you would see on network TV during an episode of "Two and a Half Men", "Family Guy", MadTV, SNL, etc, and also no worse than cable comedies like, "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia", "The League", and even animated shows like "Archer". And the writers of "All In the Family" were able to use the word "fag" on national TV in the 1970s.

14

Here is the reality:  If you have women and homosexuals in the military, any joke or off color comment or any sort of reference that isn't lauditory will result in your firing.

It's just the way it is.

15

Honors acted stupidly, Vick...not so much.

 

16 We need to start sending plush toy parrots to COMNAVAIRLANT, Fleet Forces Command, and OPNAV.

17
Could be worse. At least he is not being disciplined by the Vatican.

18 I'm of two minds about this.  On the one hand, it's hard to see someone who (otherwise) so honorably served his country sacrificed on the alter of political correctness.  On the other, we should expect a much, much higher standard from our military officers.  This wasn't some SSgt who was producing these for his platoon, this was a Captain and Executive Officer on the most widely recognized ship in the fleet, the USS Enterprise.

"An Officer, and a Gentleman."  Well, he was the first, but apparently not the second.

As for Naval Command- no sympathy for them, either.  They knew about these (they had to) and chose to overlook them.  That's not (or shouldn't be) acceptable, either.

19

Here is my personal take on the videos that I saw:

If I was a SWO, I'd be pretty pissed at Honors.  Not for being called a fag, but for his contemptuous attitude towards anyone who wasn't an aviator.

20

So does Honors have any recourse or is he done...done.

 

21 Wait.

He was Executive Officer. Not captain.

Who was the captain at the time these videos were made? Why isn't that person being held accountable?

Doesn't a carrier also have on board the commander of the entire carrier group? Wouldn't that person typically be an admiral? If so, who was the admiral on board when these were aired, and why isn't that person being held accountable?

22

And the writers of "All In the Family" were able to use the word "fag" on national TV in the 1970s.

Weird. You hear it all the time on British TV.

23 Our Navy is weaker today. And I still want to know who leaked this 3 years after the fact and why?

24 Auster calls Honors the Breaker Morant of the sexualized military and he's right.

25 Honors would have been better off running a male prostitution, growing pot in his quarters, and maybe drowning a young woman.  None of these seem to be career-ending offenses.

26 Posted by: dananjcon at January 04, 2011 02:53 PM (pr+up)

He's done-done as far as command and advancement.

They might let him serve out whatever time he has left in some backwater staff slot but as far as being a player (and you have to think he was headed to a flag before this)...done-done.

27 Why isn't that person being held accountable? Posted by: Rob Crawford at January 04, 2011 02:54 PM I believe that his superiors from his time as XO are both now retired.

28 Make no mistake about it, this was step 1 in the DADT casualty campaign. Was was acceptable in 2006 during war time activities as a "training tool" with humor is no longer acceptable in 2011 peace time cruising and DADT.

He is the first casualty.

29

Solid B+ to the Navy Admiralty for this tough decision.  I blame Bush, as CIC, for allowing this obviously inferior officer to remain on active duty.  Captain Honors should have been immediately replaced by Janeane Garofalo.  She's never said anything offensive to anyone who matters.

30

Not to worry, the younger generation "gets it."  This is some of the change they voted for.

Oh and....why on earth do Honors' contemporaries hang on?  Shouldn't they be looking for productive work in the civilian sector? Sure they made a career of it, but everyone changes careers these days, and change is good!

31

This is the first in what will be a long line.   How far back will they reach into someone's career to get payback?   Get ready.   The PC/gay brigade is on patrol.

I said my piece on this in the previous thread about it, and I let my anger say more than I should have.   I'm done.

32

And Mullen's messege to the Military... that PC thought trumps how well you do your job... is now Complete.

Example made... Messege Recieved Admiral....

 

33 The fact that this comes out immediately after repeal of DADT is not coincidence.  Anyone else think its another vindicative homosexual, taking a shot at his commander because the video "offended" him. 

34

So does Honors have any recourse or is he done...done.

Well, that depends on how you look at it.  He won't be getting any promotions, or any commands.  However, he hasn't been officially discharged from the Navy.  So techincally, he could hang around for a few more years doing scut work.  Maybe he could get a job as a SWO? ;-)  

HOWEVER, there was some female skipper of a ship who was recently relieved of command for abusing her crew.  Everyone thought that she would  be through in the Navy.  But just a couple of months ago, I heard she was getting a command or some sort of covet slot at the Pentagon.

Some people who know more that I said that the lesbian sisterhood in the Dept. of the Navy was covering for her.  Others said it was because of nepostism.  Or a combination thereof.

 

35 Somebody who gives a lot of money to somebody powerful complained. That powerful somebody passed word down the line that Something Had to Be Done. And people who worry more about politics than about doing the right thing sacrificed this man. Fill in the blanks.

36 I'm way late to this party, because it's simply not a big deal to rational adults and everything intelligent has been likely said. Nevertheless there is only one reason this story is out there and getting such attention from the MFM: to make you hate the military.

37 Is anyone surprised?  The Army let a jihadi go on a killing spree before being un-PC, and then tried to cover it up.  You have to figure the other branches aren't far off that mark. 

38 And those videos were NOTHING

39 Of course, Adm. John C. Harvey never participated in, nor even watched a bawdy sketch in his entire career, no indeed!  Such a thing cannot be imagined!  Backstabbing hypocrite.

Actually these things were common staples in the aviation community in my day.  Of course as I was leaving, they had even started reviewing call signs.  For instance, "Booger" was considered out of order.  The Navy has a long history of PC cowardice.

40 You understand, the outstanding retention is the point, we're not allowed to have that, and frankly supporting Georgia, against Russia, is another no no.27)Actually my understanding is his C.O, went to US JFC

41 @37 Funny how Hassan went along for years, and actually murdered people, but Honors gets lynched for amateur... well, it's not even good enough to be called porn.

42 I hate facebook, but just logged in so that I could LIKE the Support Captain Honors page.

43

Hey, if we lose a few good men, no biggie.  Theres more where they came from!  but if we lose our diversity and our multicultural sensitivity, the Republic is lost.

 

oh and, where are all the libertarians who spent the last month claiming the military can make this shit work?

44 HOWEVER, there was some female skipper of a ship who was recently relieved of command for abusing her crew. Everyone thought that she would be through in the Navy. But just a couple of months ago, I heard she was getting a command or some sort of covet slot at the Pentagon. She went to "Trial" and was found quilty of being cruel and a jackass. They suggested her Navy Career end.

45 #22 - Rob But aren't the Brits referring to cigarettes?

46

*headdesk*  I am so sick of this PC bullshit.  Seriously.  It's going to give me an aneurysm. 

Speaking of PC bullshit...

New Edition of ‘Huckleberry Finn’ Gets PC N-Word Scrubbing (BigHollywood)

*rubbing temples*  I... I just hate them.  I hate them SO MUCH.

47

Posted by: DrewM. at January 04, 2011 02:56 PM (HicGG)

Thanks Drew,

Friggin bogus...I'm with Vic and nevergiveup. Something is afoot here. Too much of a coincedence being so close to the DADT decision; definately a shot across the bow as it were. And a message to military leaders to tighten up the loose shit goin on under their command.

 

48 Honors would have been better off running a male prostitution, growing pot in his quarters, and maybe drowning a young woman.  None of these seem to be career-ending offenses.

Don't forget illegal drug use!




But aren't the Brits referring to cigarettes?

Yes; it was a joke.

49 The only thing I would wonder, is that not long ago there was another story floating around about a lady who commanded a ship. She went out of her way to hurt anyone around her. She would routinely attack, verbally and I vaguely remember physically, and people quit because of her. A lady who only joined because of her parents went through hell because of this commander, yet she wasn't fired. She was reassigned to a research facility, I think. I can't find the story, but that's what I find odd. This guy loved to joke and his subordinates seemed to understand it and not have much of a problem with it, he was an excellent commander it would appear, yet he was relieved. However, a lady who went out of her way to yell, insult, and abuse her subordinates was reassigned? Something just ain't right.

50 I seriously weep for our future.  The left and the political correctness they force on the rest of us will be the END of society.

51

You can't hold a whole ship responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole Navy system? And if the whole Navy system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our military institutions in general? I put it to you, Barry - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society?

Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

52 Ah, shit. The bullshit in Vietnam post-modern America piles up so high you need wings to stay above it.

53 Don't worry, the US armed forces can make this work; they always have.

54 lady who commanded a ship. She went out of her way to hurt anyone around her. She would routinely attack, verbally and I vaguely remember physically, and people quit because of her. A lady who only joined because of her parents went through hell because of this commander, yet she wasn't fired. She was reassigned to a research facility, I think. She went to trial and is on her way out of the Navy

55 Oh my, if the U.S. Navy keeps this up, we are going to turn our Navy figher pilots into U.S. Airforce pilots!!

56

oh and, where are all the libertarians who spent the last month claiming the military can make this shit work?

Posted by: the New Lifestyle Armed Forces! at January 04, 2011 03:03 PM (K/USr)

Well... this retired Navy Libertarian is right where he always was.. against getting rid of DADT.

With a volunteer Military... and DADT already in effect... anyone serving either enlisted or reenlisted under those rules... thus as an individual they made a CHOICE to abide by those rules.

Libertarians are not against all rules... just rules FORCED on you... to sign a contract to abide by those rules is within you Freedoms as an individual.

But then... I'm a small L libertarian.... not a whacko like some of them out there...

57 Is it true the Pentagon has directed the Marines to replace Boot Camp with Fuzzy Slipper Camp?

58

Well, just now Fox news (on Shepard Smith's show) called them "lewd videos" so they must be very, very, very bad.

59 Every flag officer appointed to their current post by the Democratic Congress and Obama Administration should be summarily replaced by any incoming GOP Administration. This calls for Congressional hearings if anything does.

60 Ah, Shemp Smith. The Blanche DuBois of Fox News.

61 This is crap.

I was a SWO (no, I wasn't offended by the video. "You wouldn't understand unless you've been there") and anyone who has done a deployment or been baptized by Poseidon has seen 10x worse than this. 

The only stupid thing that he did was put it on site tv to be immortalized until a (most likely) disgruntled e-3 who was just administered NJP by Captain Honors decided to get even.

This isn't about honor or a higher standard that he should be held to.  COs who act like that burn themselves and their crew out (See Captain SeaHag of the USS COWPENS) in short order. 

62 Do you want to play golf tomorrow?

63

I pulled my root several times while talking sex with Monica over the White House phone.  I had her insert my cigar, and then smoked it in front of Hildabeast.  And she polished my knob under my desk.  But, gee willikers this Navy Captain did some really awful things, he must go.

64 At one time. Two things would ruin your career in the Navy if you did them at any time.

1. Had a collision at sea.
2. Ran your ship aground

I guess you can just add "Did something politically incorrect" to that list.

65

So how much money and time do we have invested in Capt. Honors? Its a shame. What a waste of a perfectly good white boy.

 

66 I can't find the story, but that's what I find odd. This guy loved to joke and his subordinates seemed to understand it and not have much of a problem with it, he was an excellent commander it would appear, yet he was relieved. However, a lady who went out of her way to yell, insult, and abuse her subordinates was reassigned? Something just ain't right. Posted by: SnowSoul at January 04, 2011 03:06 PM This is what many people said would result from the repeal of DADT. It would create another protected special class within the military. Females are one protected class and now homosexuals are another. It truly is amazing how the Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces can be best buddies with a Communist, America-hating domestic terrorist and have his spiritual mentor be a Black Liberation racist, yet a Navy Commander gets fired over tame videos.

67 Bunch of fucking high ranking cowards. Oh no they are criticizing you...oh noooooooooooooo. Now go and fire a man who signed up to die under your orders. May you all get butt cancer.

68 48 Honors would have been better off running a male prostitution, growing pot in his quarters, and maybe drowning a young woman.  None of these seem to be career-ending offenses.

Don't forget illegal drug use!




But aren't the Brits referring to cigarettes?

Yes; it was a joke.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at January 04, 2011 03:06 PM (ZJ/un)

I gotta admit, it's tough for you young'uns.  I'm not even sure if you could join the Klan nowadays and get away with it.

69 However, a lady who went out of her way to yell, insult, and abuse her subordinates was reassigned? Something just ain't right. Her tour of Duty on the Destroyer was ending. She already had her next assignment. Subsequently she went to trial, lost, and is on her way out of the Navy

70 His career isn't over at all. He's the new skipper of Iowa, soon to be recommissioned as USS Mary Rose Oakar.

71 but as far as being a player (and you have to think he was headed to a flag before this).

This is kind of assumed.  In a very real sense the promotion to carrier XO is really a screening for admiral further on down the line.

72 When people who hate the American military take the reins in Washington, this sort of thing was bound to happen.

73 From Cmdr Salamander's blog about the USN's initial reaction to the videos and complaint:

The Navy's initial reaction was sound;

The Navy released a written statement late Friday in response to The Pilot's inquiries.

"The videos created onboard USS Enterprise in 2006-2007 were not created with the intent to offend anyone," the statement said. "The videos were intended to be humorous skits focusing the crew's attention on specific issues such as port visits, traffic safety, water conservation, ship cleanliness, etc."

I think though - based upon the PAO's more recent statement - the usual suspects will take it from here - and in the finest traditions of throwing leaders under the bus instead of defending them - well - you know the path this takes.

74 Remind me again, what was the original big naval problem that only putting women on ships could solve, other than having to wait for liberty to get laid, that is?

75 May you all get butt cancer.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 04, 2011 03:16 PM (h2+O0)

That's too good for them.  Isn't there something more overtly disfiguring?  Some kind of genital leprosy with an accompanying foul odor?

76 Sure, gays and women get special protections in the military now. But what about civilians? I'd like to know why civilians can't join the military. It's discrimination to prevent civilians from integrating with the Army, and stuff. I mean, why do I have to give up my rights just to be in the Navy or CIA or Space Force or something? The UCMJ is unfair. I demand my full rights and that includes the right to drive an Abrams tank on the interstate. Just because I'm unenlisted doesn't mean I can't have the same privileges as a gunnery sergeant.

77 Oh and the Mount Whitney was recognized in 2008 and 2009 for outstanding retention. Too damned many sailors. We have to reverse this trend.

78 I believe women are superior to men in a number of traits but being warriors are not one of them. I believe having them serve on these ships started these pc problems. Actually I don't see how they get around the combat position exception. Watch film of the wwII sea battles and imagine a co-ed crew.

79 75 Ok then I hope they get dysentery. Then they can die smelling like what they are full of.

80 79 75

Ok then I hope they get dysentery. Then they can die smelling like what they are full of.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 04, 2011 03:21 PM (h2+O0)

YES.  I like it. 

81

In the videos there is a shot of a well used tube of KY jelly on the nightstand of those two guys in the rack together. Honors' mistake is that butt fucking ain't a laughing matter in the Navy...it's sadly a fact, and thereby 'not funny'.

The UCMJ expressly prohibits the only behavior a gay can practice when having sex. You all just wait for that shit storm...it's coming too.

82 Honors for Congress.

83

I think that this is another indicator that this country is experiencing, in a best case, a near death experience.  Like other mature societies in history that eventually made decisions that killed them, our country is doing the same thing. (e.g., no oil drilling, no nuclear power, gov't knows best, massive debt, over extended military, kill the farmers - save the delta smelt, equal means equal in every sense, etc., etc.)  It's just a good damn thing that he wasn't asked to kill people when needed.  They would have wanted him strung up.

My bet is that history will remember this period the fastest collapse of a principal society in history.  And as Barry has been so fond of saying, it has to be done fast or people will die.  He is right about one thing imo, a lot of people will die - once America is gone.

84 They can make DADT repeal work provided they do it correctly. That is making sure that everyone knows there will be no favoritism one way or another and that genuine harassment will not be tolerated.

Opening the salvo up with a "for cause" relief for actions that were performed in 2006 with knowledge by the then CO is not the right way to do it. Especially when there is no way in hell you can point at those videos and call them harassment of anyone.

It shows that senior leadership is going to do exactly what everyone was saying they would do if it was repealed, create yet another protected class that would would be judged differently from everyone else.

My though is this, aren't they having enough problems keeping senior people in during the reign of Obama?

And on that score one wonders if Obama ordered his cashiering? Shit after all, he has done every damn thing else he can do to destroy the military and the country.

85 And so the the Virginian-Pilot ruins yet another career.

86 I'm just waiting for some septuagenarian lesbian to sue the military for refusing her application to become a fighter pilot. Age discrimination on top of sexual orientation bigotry! She will demand the military develop technology that permits elderly, obese, or handicapped people to operate F-22 fighters.

87 Rinos/libs/homosexual mafia have their first purple military scalp.

Who knew repealing DADT would be so entertaining.

Pass the popcorn, can't wait to see who they pop next!  Maybe a too manly Marine?

(I am sure the guys on Gay-Red Eye, ACE of Spades, Hot Air....and other such RinoLands are squealing with anticipation)

88

The only stupid thing that he did was put it on site tv to be immortalized until a (most likely) disgruntled e-3 who was just administered NJP by Captain Honors decided to get even.

VT_02 at January 04, 2011 03:11 PM (Ll70k)

Naw.  It was an o-something who received a less than stellar OER who decided to get even.  Probably an ambitious yet conniving LT or a LTJG.

 

89 But aren't the Brits referring to cigarettes?

Yes; it was a joke.

A Scots acquaintance refers to them a wee fags, which is even funnier.

90 If the higher ups are so willing to throw the captain overboard over this, then how willing were they to throw the underlings overboard over DADT?

91 She went to trial and is on her way out of the Navy

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 04, 2011 03:07 PM (0GFWk)

That was Holly Graf who was a despicable ass.   She was the commanding officer of the Cowpens.  It took until Dec. '10 for them to decide to kick her ass out, but she leaves with a general, is allowed to retire as Capt. with full benefits.   That decision is still waiting review.

Google or bing her.   She treated her crew horribly for a long time before they did anything about it, but because she was the first woman to command a cruiser, and the destroyer, USS Winston Churchill, I guess she got some of that special treatment.

Sorry, I said I was done with this.   Now, I really am.

92 Well this is bullshit and unless the Marines have changed alot if hurting someones feelings gets you relieved of command there won't be anyone left.

93

Soooo....the XO gets hammered.

I'm sure Honors' former CO and the Enterprise strike group commander had no idea that all these "things" (scary italics and quotation marks--oooh) were going on.

I hate CYAers.  Especially well-paid ones.

94

Our Navy is weaker today. And I still want to know who leaked this 3 years after the fact and why?

Who, yes. I'd like to know that also.   Why?  We all know the why.  A big example had to be made of someone to make sure the new ground rules were understood so that our gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender fighting men and women won't be exposed to anything that might harm their delicate sensibilities.

95 48 Honors would have been better off running a male prostitution, growing pot in his quarters, and maybe drowning a young woman.  None of these seem to be career-ending offenses.

Don't forget illegal drug use!




But aren't the Brits referring to cigarettes?

Yes; it was a joke.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at January 04, 2011 03:06 PM (ZJ/un)

Don't forget bribery and embezzelment! And outright cash theft from the House postage stamp scandal days too!

96 Any jokes about an" inator" in those videos.

97 I am sorry but this story fucking pisses me off more than anything else I have seen in the news for the past 3 months. This guy volunteered to go overseas and die for his country. He spent countless hours away from his family. And now his career is ruined, and he will probably be forceably retired, because of some fucking jackasses want to advance some political shit that has nothing to do with the military or winning wars. This has nothing to do with retention. This has nothing to do with fighting the war. This has nothing even to do with how "shocked" people were at the videos. There is worse shit right now on Comedy Central and NBC. I mean they stabbed Jesus in the neck on South Park, and they have butt fucking every time I watch the show. NBC routinely airs SNL and other programs far worse than this, and hires actors who engage in perverse sexual ACTIVITY, not just talk about it or do skits on it. This fucking bullshit has nothing to do with any of those videos, or any "command climate" that guy supposedly fostered. If you believe that bullshit I got a bridge in NY to sell you.

98 But our Commie in Chief is OK for the laws he broke??  Remember what goes around comes around and sometimes harder !!!!!!!!!!!

99

If the higher ups are so willing to throw the captain overboard over this, then how willing were they to throw the underlings overboard over DADT?

Bingo!  That's the intended message. 

100 "There is no cannibalism in the British navy, and by none,m I mean very little"

101 Fuck it give me a pink uniform and make my beret a fucking flower.

102 Honestly what is the appeal of the military any longer? You get low pay, bad housing, your life is at severe physical risk, and now you have to suffer through stifling political correctness. All so you can defend people, half of whom think society owes them free housing, medical care, education, food. And they also hate you for doing your job. Bless all of you who put up with this crap.

103 Fuck the Navy anyway, the only Navy guy I see on here is navycopjoe who says he is a Democrat. He voted for this shit let him live with it.

104 Our enemies are no doubt quivering in their sandals.

105 Breaking: USS Enterprise has been renamed the USS GayPride

106

I guess the uniform zippers are going to have to reach up the backside now.

spit. At least for Naval officers....

107 I'm still alive; I don't have a computer at home suitable for posting messages.  I've been reading ace on my Wii browser.  Happy New Year to all morons and moronettes.  See you more regularly in a week or so.

108 Fuck the Navy anyway, the only Navy guy I see on here is navycopjoe who says he is a Democrat. He voted for this shit let him live with it. Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 04, 2011 03:35 PM (h2+O0) I'm still in the Navy

109 Breaking: USS Enterprise has been renamed the USS GayPride It's not just a job, it's an adventure!

110 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Graf Graf was slated to take a job at the Office of Information, Plans and Strategy (N3/N5) at the Pentagon after leaving the Cowpens.[6] However, after losing her command, Graf was reassigned to the Naval Surface Warfare Center's laboratory in Dahlgren, Virginia.[3] A board of inquiry composed of three admirals held hearings regarding her conduct in November 2010. [9] On December 3, 2010, the board of inquiry recommended that Graf receive a general discharge and be allowed to retire with the rank of captain.[10] The recommendation is awaiting final review by the Secretary of the Navy.

111 Fuck the Navy anyway, the only Navy guy I see on here is navycopjoe who says he is a Democrat. He voted for this shit let him live with it.

He's not the only one.  Maybe the only democrat.

112 108 Fuck the Navy anyway, the only Navy guy I see on here is navycopjoe who says he is a Democrat. He voted for this shit let him live with it.
Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 04, 2011 03:35 PM (h2+O0)

I'm still in the Navy

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 04, 2011 03:38 PM (0GFWk)

--How about CDR M?

113 Soon all of our ships will have a political officer embarked aboard...just like our Soviet adversary had.

114 @106 ROTFL

115 --How about CDR M? Posted by: logprof at January 04, 2011 03:39 PM (BP6Z1) I think he retired

116 He embarrassed the Navy brass, so he's gotta go, plain and simple. It's unfortunate, but he should have shown better judgement.

117 I think he retired

No, he's still in.

118 I say, these fellows we send out to kill people, blow things up and possibly die seem to be rather rough around the edges. Why must war be uncouth?

119 Said it before, damn glad there wasn't the level of PC prevalent during my time. Back then, gay was a sure ticket out, and you were expected to man up and do your job.

 I feel bad for all you navy guys, no way did y'all deserve ANY of this shit. It's a shame the other branches will go down this road in the next couple years. I just hope that the damage can be repaired when we get some people who live in the real world in office.

120

Joe's right.  It was bad judgement, and he knew it was bad judgement, and he did it anyway.

All of this "we're at war" stuff has to take that into account.  I don't think you would have found King or Nimitz or Fletcher making jokes like this.

And enough with the "what about the CO having 'special' nuclear training, to deal with the 50 year old reactors!"  Calm down.  I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that the US Navy has more than a few command-ready officers ready to step in and be completely effective.

This being war, and all, "stuff happens."  Being prepared to fill slots is part of the deal.

121 And now his career is ruined, and he will probably be forceably retired, because of some fucking jackasses want to advance some political shit that has nothing to do with the military or winning wars.

Probably???  He was relieved for cause. If he doesn't immediately resign he will be resigned. If they don't "resign" him he will be in charge of counting mess kits in Kodak, Alaska until retirement age.

And I am ex-Navy and I spent 5 years on that same ship back when it had the old dome on top.

122

In the videos there is a shot of a well used tube of KY jelly on the nightstand of those two guys in the rack together. Honors' mistake is that butt fucking ain't a laughing matter in the Navy...it's sadly a fact, and thereby 'not funny'.

The UCMJ expressly prohibits the only behavior a gay can practice when having sex. You all just wait for that shit storm...it's coming too.

Surprisingly, I agree with almost nothing in this comment. Facts are often funny, especially when there's cornholing. And gays do all kinds of things when having sex, including masturbation. So what's the "only behavior"?

123 Could Capt. Honors avoided being relieved of his command by claiming he was gay and this video was a method he employed to boost morale?

Hell, he might have gotten a promotion!

/Gaia forbid that our Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, and Sailors not have to deal with this type of nonsense when we're currently at war.

124

The only stupid thing that he did was put it on site tv to be immortalized until a (most likely) disgruntled e-3 who was just administered NJP by Captain Honors decided to get even.

VT_02 at January 04, 2011 03:11 PM (Ll70k)

Naw.  It was an o-something who received a less than stellar OER who decided to get even.  Probably an ambitious yet conniving LT or a LTJG.

Yeah, that could be as well.

125 Noting that some of my following has prob. already been said here but:

 

I am hearing some mumblings about the Brass promoting of Capt. Owen Honors despite of his ‘poor judgement’ in not only participating in these videos, but producing them himself. The mumblings also insinuate ‘higher-ups’ are in the cross-hairs over this. Whatever. That's 'chain of command' as laid out in our military, as it should be.

 

I’m not condoning this video crap. I personally believe the line Capt. Honors crossed was that where he entered into the jackass territory his lessers (NCOs and lower) dwell while trying to be a ‘buddy’ more than a commander to them. You see this mistake made by parents with their kids … friends instead of ‘parents’. (And yes, as stated, his 'pilot arrogance' got the better of him ... Them's pilots for ya.)

 

Look, itÂ’s a ship. Shit happens on Navy ships and subs. Shit happens on military bases and barracks. Dumb shit such as these videos. WORSE shit. Some people have their feelings hurt. Most donÂ’t. However, IÂ’d wager to say Capt. HonorsÂ’ “body count” is a hell of a lot lower than that of the PC socially promoted Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan who was a less than stellar soldier to be worthy of his rank promotions than Capt. Honors was, and his obvious

allegiance with our deadly enemy. His mind games with our wounded warriors at the military hospitals was far worse than this crap. Where is the discipline on the Brass above Hasan that promoted him?  

That, and the timing on the ‘release’ of this particular information is suspicious … at best.

IÂ’m just sayinÂ’ Â…

126 Well, way OT but that Steele story in the sidebar is a bitch. I'm trying to think of how Steele could do a worse job as RNC chair but he keeps lowering the bar.

127 He should be court marshaled.

128

The UCMJ expressly prohibits the only behavior a gay can practice when having sex. You all just wait for that shit storm...it's coming too.

Surprisingly, I agree with almost nothing in this comment. Facts are often funny, especially when there's cornholing. And gays do all kinds of things when having sex, including masturbation. So what's the "only behavior"?

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 04, 2011 03:45 PM (rplL3)

Yeah, you're right.  I was going to say something. . . .

129 General McAuliffe forced to attend posthumous sensitivity training for uttering the word “Nuts!” to the Germans at Bastogne in 1944.

130 Now in the Navy (and the Military as a whole): Gay sex = OK Gay jokes = Fired.

131

And enough with the "what about the CO having 'special' nuclear training, to deal with the 50 year old reactors!" 

The CO doesn't run the reactors.  At all.

And the ETs, EMs and MMs on Enterprise will do just fine.

As for the judgement issue:  I have seen NOTHING that constitutes anything more than a PG13 rating.  If we ran every Master Chief out of the Navy who went R on his minions, we'd have no Navy left.  This is an absurd kind of political correctness that will come back to haunt us at some point.

132

107 I'm still alive...

Posted by: Truman North at January 04, 2011 03:38 PM (G5JPI)

But are you alive-alive?

 

133

Who, yes. I'd like to know that also.   Why?  We all know the why.  A big example had to be made of someone to make sure the new ground rules were understood so that our gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender fighting men and women won't be exposed to anything that might harm their delicate sensibilities.

Posted by: Havedash
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Exactly.  Welcome to the new armed forces.

Ok.  I'll admit I was wrong about repealing DADT.  I thought it would be pretty much painless.. But, it looks like this is just the beginning.

134 And enough with the "what about the CO having 'special' nuclear training, to deal with the 50 year old reactors!"  Calm down.  I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that the US Navy has more than a few command-ready officers ready to step in and be completely effective.

I meant to discuss that but got interrupted and forgot. All they have to do is take and pass Nuke School. That is both classroom and prototype. The relieving officer is the ex-CO of another nuke carrier so he is already qualified.

The specific engineering differences between the Enterprise and the Nimitz class carriers is not something that he would need to be overly concerned with. Unfortunately, can't elaborate on the whys and why nots.

135 If we ran every Master Chief out of the Navy who went R on his minions, we'd have no Navy left. That is the point, don't you get it?

136 126 Well, way OT but that Steele story in the sidebar is a bitch.

I'm trying to think of how Steele could do a worse job as RNC chair but he keeps lowering the bar.

Posted by: George Orwell at January 04, 2011 03:45 PM (AZGON)

--Why do we have the blue Sesame Street puppet for him?  Isn't that Liebowitz's gag, and if so do we really need to be following him in the humor department?

On the substance of the story, though: Oy gevalt.

137 Another victim of leading while white. The racist Obama is on the down low as well.

138 Fuck the Navy anyway, the only Navy guy I see on here is navycopjoe who says he is a Democrat.

How long have you been an ignorant jackass?  They've got a cream for that you know.

Served over 11 yrs, RIO F-14 Tomcats.  Flew off the Enterprise as a matter of fact.

139 After reading a bunch of threads about this incident, as well as the DADT threads before, I've come around to the view that we need to reinstate a mandatory draft for both men and women. 

I was surprised at the number of military or ex-military who seemed blissfully unaware that what Honors did would have gotten him fired at most private companies.  That strikes me as incredibly naive.  Dangerously naive, actually, if those folks ever want to work in the private sector.  This is the new reality and has been for some time.  Similarly, I'm not comfortable with the "STFU if you haven't served aboard a naval vessel" (or in the military or the variants thereof) attitude.  Like it or not, Honors' paycheck comes from our tax dollars, so some input from civilians is going to happen. 

Maybe if we all served for a couple of years in some capacity, we would lessen this divide between military and civilian life and also educate people who do not choose careers in the military about the special circumstances that might dictate different codes of conduct. 

I have respect for our military as a group, but as individuals they aren't perfect.  Because of the all-volunteer military, there is a tendency to deify them as if everything they do is justifiable or even honorable.  Why the Navy chose to make an example of him isn't clear to me.  It certainly looks like retroactive punishment and scapegoating.  But what he did doesn't rise to the level of some of our men in uniform who engage the enemy and are then accused of genocide or some other atrocity afterward either.  Those are the folks who need defending. 

Honors doesn't come off as a hero to me.  He comes off as a guy who decided to take a risk, despite knowing that what he was doing was objectionable to some people in his command, who got bitten for it.  I'm not sure I can name a job for a private employer in which people don't lose out on promotions for even more capricious reasons than these. 

140 Tomcats! I always thought that swing wing was a pretty plane.

141

The military is the last area for social engineering to be implemented.  Consider this for a moment.  Really consider this.  OK done?  So are we. If the military is the last realm, the foundation has been set and is fast curing in the form of liberalism in the main.

 

142 Tomcats!

Jerry O'Connell was the bomb in that flick.

143 The F-14 always looked aggressive to me. So does the Warthog.

144 My bad to all the other navy guys. Sucks to be you. Have fun maybe dying under the orders of fuckheads who are such pussies they will cease having ur back if they receive bad press for a weekend. Just imagine the reaction they will have if you ever receive fire. I know, I know, the Army will be there soon.

145 This kind of "offense" has to be weighed against the reality that we are a nation at war and Enterprise is shortly off to fight that war. Sadly half the nation thinks it's an "illegal war" and reality is overrated... at least in the blue states.

146 There was an old saying among us NCO's in the Army.  A sergeant could have a thousand "attaboys" in his record, but one "oh shit" erases them all.

147
You asshole breeders fuck with us at your own peril.

148   I'm not sure I can name a job for a private employer in which people don't lose out on promotions for even more capricious reasons than these. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 03:51 PM (IDL9N)

You're really not saying they are the same type of job are you?

It's apples and oranges.

149 ...what Honors did would have gotten him fired at most private companies.

So would killing folks and blowing shit up.

150

I was surprised at the number of military or ex-military who seemed blissfully unaware that what Honors did would have gotten him fired at most private companies.

Sorry--wrong answer buzzer.

The military is not a private company--your premise is flawed.  Private companies do not ask their rank and file to put their lives on the line as a matter of routine.  Private companies are not subject to an entirely unique system of justice and accountability where the CEO can literally take your money and your freedom--or both.

Here's my problem with how this has transpired--Honors' predecessor must have approved.  MUST HAVE.  Emphasis deliberate.  Therefore, as XO he had the approval of his lawful chain of command.  Let's make that distinction--that same chain of command could not have approved of something unlawful like rape, drug use or sexual harassment.  There is zero illegal anything to go along with this circus, it is entirely manufactured and at some length after the fact.

 

151 OK, You can call me sexist now. Have official complaints gone way up since women joined the navy? The reason I ask is I have worked at a major hospital for the past 30+ years. Women are difficult to work with. The majority of them are constantly complaining and gossiping about each other. That has been my experience. I still like them though.

152 what Honors did would have gotten him fired at most private companies. So would killing folks and blowing shit up. Posted by: Bomber, USN at January 04, 2011 03:59 PM (qzoN5) Well, Maybe not the Post Office?

153 My dad has pictures of the turtleback party they had while he was on a USN ship in the 70's.

Honor's video barely touches them.

154 My bad to all the other navy guys. Sucks to be you. Have fun maybe dying under the orders of fuckheads who are such pussies they will cease having ur back if they receive bad press for a weekend. Just imagine the reaction they will have if you ever receive fire.

I know, I know, the Army will be there soon.

Army has been there awhile.  Just ask the CSA.  Something about the real tragedy of Ft Hood being if "diversity" took a hit.

155 So would killing folks and blowing shit up.

Posted by: Bomber, USN at January 04, 2011 03:59 PM (qzoN5)

heh

156

You all pontificating who is in or ever served have absolutely no clue who participates and reads this here bloggy.  I wish I could divulge but that would spoil the ignorance is bliss stuff.

I am just pissed off today and sick of the ignorance.  The fricking insolent ignorance of it all.

There I'm done.  What's for dinner?

157

If you believe that bullshit I got a bridge in NY to sell you.

I'm interested in learning more about your bridge.

158 ...what Honors did would have gotten him fired at most private companies. So would killing folks and blowing shit up. As long as I am President, we will continue to enhance the humanitarian or "welcome wagon" mission of our fine soldiers. Also, we're replacing bullets with Hershey Kisses.

159 --As for the judgement issue: I have seen NOTHING that constitutes anything more than a PG13 rating. If we ran every Master Chief out of the Navy who went R on his minions, we'd have no Navy left. -- He wasn't a Master Chief, he was xo, then captain of the ship. Held to a higher standard. The videos may only be "PG13" but they portray the man as unprofessional. Is he directing the affairs of one of the largest and most powerful ships on Earth, or is he auditioning for a gig on comedy central? Either way, the PC police of the Left are obviously out to scream "gotcha!" any chance they can get, so men like him need to walk a fine line.

160 Herman Cain, the anti-Obama, is on Cavuto right now.  Love him.

161

My dad has pictures of the turtleback party they had while he was on a USN ship in the 70's.

I have pics from my dad's party ON THE ENTERPRISE in the early 70's.

 

162
As long as I am President, we will continue to enhance the humanitarian or "welcome wagon" mission of our fine soldiers. Also, we're replacing bullets with Hershey Kisses.

Not far from the truth.  Navy's recruiting slogan (since early last year, I think) is "A global force for good."  How's that for fuckin' inspiring?

163 O/T: Drudge has a photo/story of Obama looking super skinny. So let's recap: 1) Rumors of orgies at gay bathhouses 2) Huge lesion on his lip 3) Dangerously thin as if very ill

164 Is General Casey still in our armed forces after his reaction to Major Hasan?  I know, priorities, priorities.

165 When the shit hits the fan, the Republicans will be blamed.

166 ugg...roland martin is the keynote speaker at mlkjr dinner on campus

167

Unrelated side note, but I was just reading back through some posts at Big Peace and saw this interesting note about the UN (originally from Foreign Policy):

“For two years, the U.N. has been the beneficiary of a policy of benign neglect on WashingtonÂ’s Capitol Hill, where a Democratic Congress has pretty much left it to the Obama administration to chart its own course at Turtle Bay. Those days are coming to a swift end. An emboldened Republican majority, led by the new chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee, Ileanna Ros Lehtinen (R-FL), has already signaled an interest in reviewing U.S. financial support for U.N. programs, citing the need for belt tightening. A Cuban-American lawmaker from a heavily Jewish district, Ros Lehtinen can also be expected to use her position to shore up IsraelÂ’s conservative prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and to ratchet up pressure on Iran, and the Palestinian Authority. In February, 2009, she introduced legislation to cut U.S. funding for the United Nations and the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which is responsible for providing relief to more than 4 million Palestinian refugees throughout the Middle East. LehtinenÂ’s intransigence could complicate the Obama administrationÂ’s efforts to ensure funding for new and enlarged U.N.-backed peacekeeping missions in Somalia and Ivory Coast.”

Please, oh please, please, please, please, let this actually come to some kind of fruition. The UN needs to stop sucking off the American teat.  It can go teatless for all I care.

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168

He wasn't a Master Chief, he was xo, then captain of the ship. Held to a higher standard.

See my points above about his former chain of command as XO.

This is a railroad job of the worst kind.

169 Tomcats! I always thought that swing wing was a pretty plane.

I miss them.  Watched the video of them getting chewed up.  Just wrong, you know?

170 It's Mullen's Navy.

171 Posted by: Chicago Jedi

don't forget the prediction that m will have a baby this year

172 countrydoc at January 04, 2011 04:06 PM That was one beautiful plane.

173 As long as I am President, we will continue to enhance the humanitarian or "welcome wagon" mission of our fine soldiers. Also, we're replacing bullets with Hershey Kisses.

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at January 04, 2011 04:02 PM (AZGON)

Barack, how many times do I have to tell you, NO CANDY!

174

He wasn't a Master Chief, he was xo, then captain of the ship. Held to a higher standard. The videos may only be "PG13" but they portray the man as unprofessional. Is he directing the affairs of one of the largest and most powerful ships on Earth, or is he auditioning for a gig on comedy central?

Posted by: Joe at January 04, 2011 04:02 PM (FGu0D)

And, the Enterprise was not his first command.   Those vids were not a secret before he was given that first command.   If they were so egregious, at the time, why was he given command two different times since?

I hope those superiors sleep well at night knowing they are destroying this man's distinguished career to save their own asses.

175 It's Mullen's Navy.

It's Roughead's Navy.  It's Mullen's whole fuckin' military.

176 163 O/T: Drudge has a photo/story of Obama looking super skinny. So let's recap:

1) Rumors of orgies at gay bathhouses

2) Huge lesion on his lip

3) Dangerously thin as if very ill

Forgot one - he's taking the nose candy again.

Given how much cocaine showed up on people around Billy Jeff, I wouldn't be surprised if Billy-boy indulged from time to time in the Oval Office as well. 

177 Winding your way down the Navy's seat Light in your loafers and dead on your feet (dies)

178 You're really not saying they are the same type of job are you?

No.  But I'm saying he was a person in a position of authority who violated regulations concerning code of conduct flagrantly for two years.  He knew that what he was doing was objectionable to people under him, he made a point of saying to those people in front of everyone (and on tape) that he was going to ignore their objections, and continued the behavior. 

Anyone in the private sector who was given a heads up about their behavior crossing a line, even if that heads up was an informal heads up about a complaint from a subordinate, would address the issue seriously or lose their job.  Certainly not get promoted. 


And in this case the behavior was totally unnecessary.  We're not talking about toughening up recruits in boot camp.  This was normal operations, not under fire, tons of time to consider (and reconsider) what he put out there. 

No one seems to be questioning that he broke regs.  People seem to just be arguing that he should be allowed to break them because why exactly? 

Heat of battle - call someone anything you want to to get them motivated to fight and survive.  But that's not what this was. 

179

That was one beautiful plane.

And somehow terribly threatening at the same time.

180 84 They can make DADT repeal work provided they do it correctly.


Are you a child?

181

This video and Cunty Couric's brilliant idea of a Muslim Cosby show are really the top news of the day? Really?  Where is all of this muslim hatred that the MFM now repeats as if it is a fact? I haven't seen a single mosque exploding yet. Not even a beheading yet, and Couric thinks there is rampant anti-muslim hatred going on.  My hatred is for you, Cunty Couric. And this poor CO gets basically fired for making a crappy SNL-type video of ship life? The gnashing of teeth in the media, you'd think he killed some dogs. Oh, sorry, that gets you a presidential phone call these days.

I hate the MFM! /rantoff

182 @178

While he was XO he was equivalent to a VP in a company. 

Even worse, I read his position was "taskmaster" (sort of the disciplinarian and baby-sitter all in one).  So it was like he was VP of Human Resources -- violating HR policy. 

He didn't get a promotion?  It's a shame, but you are not guaranteed a promotion. 

183 While I hate the decision to remove him, I'm confident the Navy has more exemplary leaders ready to take his place.  They're good like that.

184 But that's not what this was. 

Then tell me what it was, because his superiors at the time condoned it, too. 

185 Just jonesing for a new thread. The sidebar item from NRO on the home page about Barry refusing to vote to increase the debt limit in 2006 is vitally important. If the GOP leadership doesn't make him bleed over this, I don't know why they should even bother to show up for the next Congress.

186 While I hate the decision to remove him, I'm confident the Navy has more exemplary leaders ready to take his place.  They're good like that.

We also have our share of fuckin' assholes.  Sucks to lose a good one.

187 I wonder how this and the DADT will help recruitment. Maybe we will need to bring back the draft.

People say the armed forces can make these changes work on those already in but the people you want to recruit may disagree.

188

*sigh*

I can remember when we didn't used to have this problem. Pre-PC, that is. I want that Navy back.

189

94 A big example had to be made of someone to make sure the new ground rules were understood so that our gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender fighting men and women won't be exposed to anything that might harm their delicate sensibilities.

We have tg fighting men-women?

190

We also have our share of fuckin' assholes.

All organizations do share one trait--they are all bell curves.

191

This was normal operations, not under fire, tons of time to consider (and reconsider) what he put out there.

 Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 04:09 PM (IDL9N)

FYI...

The deployment in which the videos were created was between May 2, 2006 and on November 18, 2006 USS Enterprise returned to homeport after steaming nearly 60,000 miles. During their deployment, CVW-1 aircraft delivered 65,000 pounds of ordnance, including 137 precision weapons, to provide unprecedented support of Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) and Operation Iraqi Freedom. They completed more than 8,300 sorties, of which 2,186 were combat missions, while flying more than 22,500 hours and making 6,916 day and night arrested landings.

 

192 Barry looking like a skinny wimpy child on Drudge. Let's hope he shrinks to nothing. 1) Rumors of orgies at gay bathhouses I hope to soapy Jeebus that were true. Think of the fun we could have with that one.

193 151 OK, You can call me sexist now. Have official complaints gone way up since women joined the navy? The reason I ask is I have worked at a major hospital for the past 30+ years. Women are difficult to work with. The majority of them are constantly complaining and gossiping about each other. That has been my experience. I still like them though.

Posted by: bowel movement at January 04, 2011 04:00 PM (Mul5k)

Sexist!

(Kidding!)

I'm a woman, and I agree that women are aggravating as hell to work with.  Sure we can be just as competent or incompetent as men at whatever task we're set to do, but the infighting and back-biting is RIDICULOUS.  At least when men have a problem with each other, they'll come right out and say it.  Women are much nastier.  That's why from day one I vowed to never watch The View.  Who wants to watch a bunch of bitchy women yakking at each other?  If I wanted to watch that crap I can just look down the hall to the lunch room and all the nattering gossips who congregate there like piranhas to a bloody carcass.

Mind you, we aren't ALL bad.  Just like anything, it's the bad ones who give the rest of us ladies a bad name. 

194 It's Roughead's Navy.  It's Mullen's whole fuckin' military.

Not arguing. For decades the plan has been to cut down the whole military. Eliminate redundancy and anything outstanding. No capacity to maintain even two fronts simultaneously, since every branch has been whittled down to expired craft without parts and without refueling capacity.

195

I was surprised at the number of military or ex-military who seemed blissfully unaware that what Honors did would have gotten him fired at most private companies.

Sorry--wrong answer buzzer.

The military is not a private company--your premise is flawed.

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Let me clarify. 

It was not my premise.

I mean literally.

Military types are commenting (not here, fortunately) about how suspicious this is because (they suppose) what Honors did would be no big deal in civilian life. 

That's clueless. 

196 Off, sock!  I am NOT Michelle the nag!

197 The PC bullshit started happening in the 70's when they started to enlist women en masse.  The chants we used during our morning runs were deemed to be crude and unsavory if we were jogging past the women's barracks.  And it got to a point we couldn't sing these traditional chants anywhere, because there might be a "female soldier" within hearing distance.  And on it went from there.  The PC "we can't offend anyone" mentality was in full force by the time I left in 1980.

198 Regarding Capt. Mewborne, the Skipper, and the nuclear propulsion question.  Yes, he took the course.  The man just got done with commanding a CVN three months ago.  Obviously he was the only one around qualified to get in there quickly.

IMHO it was the constant fag jokes that sunk Honor. When Clinton signed DADT into law that shit had to stop asap.  It was added to every squishy sensitivity type training the Armed Forces did.

199

I remember a neswclip back in the 70's, of some female political operative addressing the graduating class of Annapolis, and telling the class that they (the politicians) weren't trying to redefine masculinity. I knew, and everyone else knew, that they were lying.

Whay Honors did was stupid, and he should've known that it would likely hurt his career.  But this particular punishment is far in excess.

Start watching the leftist blogs, to see who comments.  It wouldn't surprise me if some fairly high government civilian is behind this ...... could even be someone from State, who had some deal with a foreign entity screwed by one of Honor's actions ...

200 161 My dad has pictures of the turtleback party they had while he was on a USN ship in the 70's.

I have pics from my dad's party ON THE ENTERPRISE in the early 70's.

 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)

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The O-military is setting Village People precedence with Honors ... Could be 'expo facto', ya know. Better hide your dads and those photos.

201 Military types are commenting (not here, fortunately) about how suspicious this is because (they suppose) what Honors did would be no big deal in civilian life.

Doesn't matter if this would be a big deal or not in civilian life.  It matters if it was (or should be) a big deal on a fuckin' boat on the other side of the world in the middle of a shooting war.

202 "He wasn't a Master Chief, he was xo, then captain of the ship. Held to a higher standard. See my points above about his former chain of command as XO. This is a railroad job of the worst kind." I think it is somewhat a tradition for the Navy bigwigs to make scapegoats of senior officers - the Indianapolis and Lusitania come to my mind.

203 184 But that's not what this was. 

Then tell me what it was, because his superiors at the time condoned it

Really? I keep reading how he was already punished/reprimanded for it which is why he stopped.  So the outrage is supposedly that he's being punished twice. 

@191

He sure had a lot of time to make and edit those videos, including involving subordinates. 

204 Forgot one - he's taking the nose candy again. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 04, 2011 04:08 PM (9hSKh) You're right. He might not have AIDS. I forgot he could just be losing the weight cause he's snorting up Tony Montana piles of blow in the Oval Office.

205 No one seems to be questioning that he broke regs.  People seem to just be arguing that he should be allowed to break them because why exactly?

What regs exactly?  And don't pull that conduct unbecoming an officer, because these kinds of skits were SOP for naval aviation.  In other words, it was very much officer-like behavior and anyone who tells you different is lying.  You'd have to relieve every admiral as well, because they all participated in it, back in the day.  That's what gets me, the rank hypocrisy.  "We did it, but you shouldn't."

206 Stupid! These Flag Officers releaving the Captain have done the same thing or they have never commanded sailors at sea.

If we let Captain Honors go then we should be letting 80 to 90 percent of the officers in the Navy go, for the same reason.

I feel more and more that the government of today is like having a pet rattlesnake in that it is just a matter of time before it turns around a bites you.

207

OT: Boehner is certainly good for some things.

Namely, being a complete smartass.

"The House is going to pass legislation to repeal that now.  YouÂ’re welcome."

208 187 I wonder how this and the DADT will help recruitment.



Allowing queers to prance about openly and fellate one another and shit-canning commanders for off-color language will have absolutely no effect on the recruitment of hard-charging, testosterone-fueled, young bad-asses from largely rural, Western and Southern states.

Absolutely no effect.

None.

Nada.

Zilch.

209 CDR M at January 04, 2011 04:18 PM

Figured you'd show up here.  Somebody upthread asked if you were retired.

210

OT: Boehner is certainly good for some things.

Namely, being a complete smartass.

Is that before or after he gives more power to the minority?

211 I forgot he could just be losing the weight cause he's snorting up Tony Montana piles of blow in the Oval Office.


He has access to the CIA's crack labs.

212 Capt. Owen Honors - not enough melanin

213 He has access to the CIA's crack labs. Posted by: maxine waters at January 04, 2011 04:22 PM (S5YRY) Is that something you want to be in the business of socializing Maxine? Crack labs for everybody!!!

214 OT: Boehner is certainly good for some things. Namely, being a complete smartass. "The House is going to pass legislation to repeal that now. YouÂ’re welcome." Now, that is more like it. Nicely phrased, Johnny.

215 He has access to the CIA's crack labs.

Well the CIA did invent crack to keep the brother down so it's all going as planed.

216 that is STILL against the UCMJ and therefore punishable.

So far.  The repeal doesn't go into effect until POTUS, SECDEF and CJCS sign off on it, meaning they will have updated the UCMJ by then.  No telling what they'll try to change.

217 Leo, you are wrong about the fellate one another openly. Even after repeal of DADT, that is STILL against the UCMJ and therefore punishable. Posted by: CDR M at January 04, 2011 04:22 PM (5I8G0) Nidal Hassan was a fucking out and proud jihadist and they let him stroll around. What makes you think public sodomy will be enforced if terrorism wasn't?

218

No one seems to be questioning that he broke regs.  People seem to just be arguing that he should be allowed to break them because why exactly?

I dunno, maybe because breaking regs used to be a way of life when I was in the Marines.

219 As some have already pointed out, but it doesn't seem to be clicking with folks.

As the XO, he was told to stop making the videos by the Group Commander.
Now, I guess that the Group Commander might have forgotten to mention to the XO's boss (The CO at that time) that he had just told him to stop. But I'm kinda not thinking that's how it happened. More like the CO being told that the XO was told to stop.Later on, the CO had at least one opportunity to recommend, or not recommend the XO for his own command. And it would seem that the CO at that time, AFTER being told of the videos, still elected to recommend the XO for command. And that recommendation worked it's way up, and the powers to be said "Yes, this man shall have Command at Sea". Then, after his Deep Draft tour in 6th fleet, and with only 12 carriers in the fleet, when it came time to pick a new Commanding Officer for Enterprise, the powers to be again said ' He's our man".
As there is at least a 50% chance that the skipper of a carrier is being groomed for bigger shoes, (Flag Rank), the choice of who makes Carrier skipper has huge ramifications within the Flag Community, and is examined to the most minute detail. And you can't make me believe that the selection board was not aware of the videos being made, and chose him anyhow.
This whole thing has nothing to do with the videos themselves.
This is the opening salvo in the fallout from DADT.

Just retired from the Navy in August, with over 30 years of service, so this ain't my first rodeo. And this reeks of politics.

220 USS Harvey Milk to be commissioned in 5... 4... 3... 2...

221

The O-military is setting Village People precedence with Honors ... Could be 'expo facto', ya know. Better hide your dads and those photos.

The Chief passed in 2003.  He was a corpsman (yeah, thanks for your amazing oratory skills on that one, Mr. President) and did a couple of combat tours in Vietnam with the Marines, too.

And if you think he wouldn't light you up.....

222 Just retired from the Navy in August, with over 30 years of service, so this ain't my first rodeo. And this reeks of politics. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 04, 2011 04:26 PM (Wwhcf) I'm on duty this Weekend, so I will be interested to see what people say

223 215 Leo, you are wrong about the fellate one another openly.  Even after repeal of DADT, that is STILL against the UCMJ and therefore punishable.



CMR: If you look again at that sentence you'll see that "openly" only modified the prancing around.  In any case, Gabe Malor has assured me that DOD has released a study on amending UCMJ to make it ghey friendly--Drew's all on board with that cultural change--and anyway that the restrictions of which you speak are unconstitutional under that landmark (skidmark) Anthony Kennedy decision Lawrence v. Texas.  So it's all good.

224 USS Harvey Milk to be commissioned in 5... 4... 3... 2... Will it be a... tender?

225 God bless you, CDR M and Bomber.   I don't know how much time you have left before retiring, but it should be interesting.

226 Almost wish I was at work this week only to hear the scuttlebutt on what really happened with this incident. I'm sure all of our future farewell's for members leaving the command will now be G-Rated and therefore boring. Posted by: CDR M at January 04, 2011 04:29 PM (5I8G0) My CO is an Aviator ( why he is the CO of a Medical Unit is another story ) and I think he might have flown off the Enterprise. So we will see.

227 I'm sure all of our future farewell's for members leaving the command will now be G-Rated and therefore boring.

Cell phone cameras are everywhere.  Be careful.

228

Posted by: Y-not at January 04, 2011 03:51 PM (IDL9N)

Draft??? Where to start...

There has not been an modern ELITE unit that was ever made up of drafted soldiers.

So... your solution is to take unmotivated people, and put them in the most Elite Military on the face of the Earth?

/shakes head...

This exact type of statement is exactly why folks make the statements about those who have never served, making comments.

229

USS Harvey Milk to be commissioned in 5... 4... 3... 2...

... an "oiler"?

 

230 224

The O-military is setting Village People precedence with Honors ... Could be 'expo facto', ya know. Better hide your dads and those photos.

The Chief passed in 2003.  He was a corpsman (yeah, thanks for your amazing oratory skills on that one, Mr. President) and did a couple of combat tours in Vietnam with the Marines, too. And if you think he wouldn't light you up.....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)

 

God bless him. Thanks to him and your family for his service.

231 I want a military that Kathy Griffin would be proud to ride.  Proud to knock the dick out of her mouth.  Proud of Nancy Pelosi's Navy.

232

Oh.... and just where is the his old CO in this??? The CO has ultimate responsibility, and power, on the ship, NOT the XO.

If they are going to can the XO, CO should go as well... otherwise this is a dilution of the responsibility inherent in the Chain of Command...

233 Barry0, Bomber First Claz

Fuck you, sock puppet.

234

Funny thing about O's, especially high ranking O's.

There isn't much gradiation in the available punishment.  Either you get hammered, or you don't.  Lot of people says his punishment is too heavy.  Well realistically, what did anyone expect the punishment to be?  You don't give high ranking O's 7 days extra duty/7 days restriction.  Either they get off or they get relieved.  Yeah, technically, an O could get the 7/7.  Or corrective training.  Or a negative counseling statement.

But realistically?  Doesn't seem to happen.

235 Damn, nevergiveup.
Good to see you.
we've crossposted before here and there.

And while I'm on my soapbox....I'm sure that any day now, Admiral Harvey is going to reveal that oh, somewhere around 1978 or so, back when he was a junior officer aboard ship, and I was an E-2 onboard another ship, that he went through an all male crew Crossing the line, and never once saw, or participated in any kind of ribald skit with sexual references included in it. Nope....probably never hit a whore house once during all those years in the 70's and early 80's either.

So Admiral, what's the cut off date for past actions being held against a person in the new Culture Club?

236

So how soon until the Navy changes Goat Locker title to something more PC? 

And no more scuttlebutt either.

237

This whole thing has nothing to do with the videos themselves.
This is the opening salvo in the fallout from DADT.

Just retired from the Navy in August, with over 30 years of service, so this ain't my first rodeo. And this reeks of politics.

 

Agree 100%.  This has nothing to do about this man's qualifications or performance.  He's the sacrificial lamb to show everyone that a "new type of people" is going to rule the Navy now.  The expression "the military sucks" has just taken on a whole new meaning.

238 all traditional institutions must be destroyed...

239 Y'all laugh, but when I went through flight school in 1997, there was  a female student naval aviator who was offended at the term "cockpit."

240 Agree 100%. This has nothing to do about this man's qualifications or performance. He's the sacrificial lamb to show everyone that a "new type of people" is going to rule the Navy now. The expression "the military sucks" has just taken on a whole new meaning. Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2011 04:37 PM (XyUoZ) Or he gave someone a shitty Fitrep

241 No one seems to be questioning that he broke regs.  People seem to just be arguing that he should be allowed to break them because why exactly?

Y-not you are simply mistaken on all fronts of this. First, there appeared to be no regs broken by these videos at the time they were made. Second, I am sure he did not make them, write, them or direct them. From the articles it looks like that was done by their on-board video department. They were done as humorous training films. Crude humor but still humor. What he did was be in charge of the project.

As for being fired for doing the same thing in a private firm??? Maybe in CA where you came from but not most of the other companies elsewhere.

I retired from one of the largest companies in the U.S. Some of his remarks may have got him a caution, or at most a letter in his file, but he would not have been fired.

He may not be some "big hero" for making the films but neither is he some super villain that needs to be cashiered like he was stealing the company stores and selling them on the side.

242

there was  a female student naval aviator who was offended at the term "cockpit."

And her name was David Caruso.

243 "Or he gave someone a shitty Fitrep"

Can't agree on that one.
As Lex and Sal have pointed out, it takes a very high level person to continue to push this in the way it's going.

sure, a pissed JO could have started a stink.
But the lack of support from Admiral Harvey, and an unwillingness to say "But he learned from his mistake" speaks volumes.

244 it takes a very high level person to continue to push this in the way it's going.

It does not take a conspiratorially minded person to believe the timing of this particular issue is suspicious.

245 The gay mafia was behind this they will rule the New Navy.

246 I also agree with the commenter upthread that this is just another example of Dear Leader and his regime's blatant attempts at the destruction of everything deemed to be an American tradition.  The next two years we're going to experience a full two-fisted assfuck.

247

And her name was David Caruso.

I bet she was a better actor.

248 Mixed feelings about all this. Y-not makes some excellent points. It's a shame that Honors is getting the boot but his behavior does seem reckless in the circumstances. You don't flout "company policy" even when it's unwritten--perhaps especially when it's unwritten--and expect nothing to come of it. Maybe the company policy sucks but even so policy is policy and you have to abide by it. Also I have to say that his behavior seems rather immature for a man of his age with his responsibilities. There should be a degree of emotional distance physical between a senior officer and his crew. The senior officer should be a figure of dignity and decorum. I cannot imagine the rugged but noble white-haired admirals of World War II comporting in such a manner. But I'm a Midwesterner and I was raised to suppress my emotions and admire men who do likewise.

249 Senior officers throw junior officers to the wolves every day of the week without a second thought.  It has been that way since at least the 1960s, maybe forever.  The precious career must be protected no mater how many lives must be trashed.

Yes, there are exceptions, but most of them don't make two stars of higher.  Flaming asshole = 2, 3 or 4 stars.

The real mystery is how we still manage to attract good men to service in our military, what with the piece of crap senior officers and military-hating Congress (mostly, at least), media and universities.

250

there was  a female student naval aviator who was offended at the term "cockpit."

And her name was David Caruso.

YYYYEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH!

251 Cockpits should trouble all of us.

252 You've gotten the email.

"The fighting 69th corp.  Death from behind!"

253

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at January 04, 2011 04:54 PM (LEMIN)

 

It's obvious that you've never been in the military let alone been in a war zone.  Military men fight hard under conditions you can't even contemplate.  What they do to relieve that stress when they stand down will always seem a bit bizarre to "civilians".  There was no harm done with these videos.  It was nothing but warriors letting off steam and learning to laugh again.  But I'm really not expecting you to understand that.

254 I retired from one of the largest companies in the U.S. Some of his remarks may have got him a caution, or at most a letter in his file, but he would not have been fired.

Well I don't doubt it and if it's a first offense probably most companies would let the malefactor off with a reprimand. But I've worked for a bunch of companies and so has my wife and all of them would take a very dim view of non-PC actions and words. Most companies would not fire someone for a first offense because they would fear legal retribution but the "malefactor" could probably also kiss goodbye any chances of career advancement or promotion in that company. What's more, if those specific videos had been made in the civilian corporate world, they would almost certainly have gotten the maker fired at most companies.

255 Well, it all makes sense now.
I never realized it before, but Admiral Harvey's from Baltimore.
And who else is originally from Baltimore?
Why, Queen Nancy herself.

I know there's a connection there.
I just can't seem to make it.

256

My dad has pictures of the turtleback party they had while he was on a USN ship in the 70's.

You mean shellback?

Nobody reads this far down, but if the Enterprise CO has to do much extra training for the Enterprise nuclear plant, it isn't much.  They get the basic concepts in nuclear power school; after that, everything else is just a minor detail to the CO.

Grim

257

Much like American economic power slipping away, why do some folks think that, given what seems to be the stupidity of a large contingent of the American Military command, the prowess of that component of our government can't go into the toilet as well.  With all due respect to the fine soldiers and generals that are out there, you cannot and should not have to run a military with someone like General Casey or be expected to serve in a military that gives him any responsibility.  The DADT proponents said screw you to anyone that objects with their argument being you shut up and follow orders, you troglodyte moron.  What if those morons just leave or don't join? 

258 It's obvious that you've never been in the military let alone been in a war zone.  Military men fight hard under conditions you can't even contemplate.  What they do to relieve that stress when they stand down will always seem a bit bizarre to "civilians".  There was no harm done with these videos.  It was nothing but warriors letting off steam and learning to laugh again.  But I'm really not expecting you to understand that.

Soona, you have no idea what you're talking about or whom you're talking to. And read what I wrote again. I didn't say there was anything harmful about those videos. I was stating what is merely a fact: that they and the man who made them violated "company policy." I didn't endorse that policy. By no  means. My point was, Honors flouted company policy and he knew it. It's a shame he got fired but that's what happens when you flout company policy. My post was not addressing the rights or wrongs of the episode.

259 193 151 OK, You can call me sexist now. Have official complaints gone way up since women joined the navy? The reason I ask is I have worked at a major hospital for the past 30+ years. Women are difficult to work with. The majority of them are constantly complaining and gossiping about each other. That has been my experience. I still like them though.

Posted by: bowel movement at January 04, 2011 04:00 PM (Mul5k)

I'm a woman and a retired AF NCO and I totally agree.  I've said a number of times that not enough women learn how to be team players as children.  So when the get into the world of work, they use the tactics which work with their dad or their husband. 

I had a hard time getting along in most offices because I'm not a gossiper and they're usually talking about some crap about which I don't give a rat's ass. Women view that attitude in other women with suspicion. 

260 Let's speculate. Would Patton, Bradley, Eisenhower, Truscott, and the rest have made such a video? What about Nimitz, King, Halsey, Spurance, Kinkaid, Fletcher, etc.? I don't think so. The question is: why not? And did they not ever, themselves, blow off steam in stressful situations?

In World War II my dad was a Lt. jg commanding a patrol craft (PC) in the Pacific. In the Philippines he organized a beer party for his crew and took part in it. I have photos of the party. They are hilarious. But dad was 21 years old and his boatswain's mate and at least one other member of his crew were literally twice his age. They would never have expected an admiral to join the party. In fact if any admiral had walked by they would be more inclined to fall on their bellies and avert their eyes as if he were some oriental potentate.

261

The Chief passed in 2003.  He was a corpsman (yeah, thanks for your amazing oratory skills on that one, Mr. President) and did a couple of combat tours in Vietnam with the Marines, too.

And if you think he wouldn't light you up.....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 04, 2011 04:26 PM (B+qrE)

God keep him.

262 Nobody reads this far down

i did

263 This is the same Navy that tried to hang three SEALs out to dry until they fought back. I'm damn sure glad I'm retired over ten years now. That means my 30 year commitment is done and over with. I would never consider a career in the service now.

264 Oh, and Soona: I'm a Crusty Shellback. How about you?

265 Journolist:
You all pontificating who is in or ever served have absolutely no clue who participates and reads this here bloggy.  I wish I could divulge but that would spoil the ignorance is bliss stuff.

Nor do I give a rip.  Is this supposed to intimidate people, or just a game of "I'm so connected"?

266 I hope the Big E runs aground. Fuck you.

267

I'm sorry. I don't feel sorry for the guy. Anyone who would make a video like this deserves to be fired. It was dumb. This is a video for Chrisake. Did it not occur to the man that as an officer this might create problems if and when it got out?

My Dad was in the navy and I am sure he did worse than this, but it never showed up on the internet. I mean come on...if I put out a video like this my boss might fire me and I am not in the US Navy.

268 well....this will have to go up the chain then....any officer that recommended his promotion to capt....because this stuff was know....needs to be removed too....this is the intended result of dadt...and this is what political correctness buy you...complete insanity.....and zero tolerance for humor

269 The Chief Engineer doesn't have jack to do with the reactors. That's the job of the Reactor Officer, who typically is a more senior officer in my experience. Hell, the Reactor Officer is frequently a more senior O-6 than the XO.

270 This shit is infuriating. I wonder if Barry Obama has ever said the N word or ever said fag? Fire his ass as CiC for that shit, that insensitive bastard.

271 Let's speculate. Would Patton, Bradley, Eisenhower, Truscott, and the rest have made such a video?
Let's speculate. Would Patton, Bradley, Eisenhower, Truscott, and the rest have cashiered any rank, officer or enlisted, for saying fag, Jap, Kraut or fucker?

272 BTW any of you navy guys, my brother was in the Navy on the Eisenhower as a nuke. Is the Enterprise the one they call the mobile Chernobyl or is that the Eisenhower.

273

I'm still in the Navy

Probably will be for life.

274 28 "1et's speculate. Would Patton, Bradley, Eisenhower, Truscott, and the rest have cashiered any rank, officer or enlisted, for saying fag, Jap, Kraut or fucker?" Posted by: andycanuck at January 04, 2011 06:07 PM (2rOwc) No, but in Barry's military they would never have been promoted past 0-5. God only knows what woulda happened to their careers if they ever referred to muslim insurgents in Iraq or Afghan in any derogatory terms. Haji would definately been a hanging offense.

275 CAPT Honors bought me a beer once. We were out in Gaeta inspecting the Mount Whitney in 2008. They did very well, considering her unique situation being alone overseas and having a hybrid military/civilian crew. The last night there, after the inspection was over, he and about half the crew were at the bar across the street from the base there, and he was BUYING.

The crew seemed to like him, and it was a bit unusual for a CO to do that - it's the norm for leadership that senior to keep aloof socially.

I got some real good stories about that bar, Rendevous.

276

It's still the law:

TITLE 10--ARMED FORCES
Subtitle C--Navy and Marine Corps
CHAPTER 551--OFFICERS IN COMMAND

Sec. 5947. Requirement of exemplary conduct

    All commanding officers and others in authority in the naval service are required to show in themselves a good example of virtue, honor, patriotism, and subordination; to be vigilant in inspecting the conduct of all persons who are placed under their command; to guard against and  suppress all dissolute and immoral practices, and to correct, according to the laws and regulations of the Navy, all persons who are guilty of them; and to take all necessary and proper measures, under the laws, regulations, and customs of the naval service, to promote and safeguard the morale, the physical well-being, and the general welfare of the officers and enlisted persons under their command or charge.

277 I question the timing. No, REALLY. How many days since the repeal of DADT? Please don't tell me this is sheer coincidence.

278 He should have run the NY Sanitation Department and let a few people die.  The punishment, if any, will be far lighter.

279 Hola, This is pathetic, in my time at sea I've had several xo's do this, its known as raising morale. Makes me glad I'm out. And I hope the shitbag who released the tape dies of aids And WTF mr. Pink! I didn't vote for Obama's dumbass, I voted for the hot chick with nice legs

280 He should be gone and dishonorably discharged.  The worse thing in this entire world - including cancer and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and including Muslim extremism, Michele Obama's wardrobe is saying anything, anything that might hurt a ghey's feelings.

Forget dishonorably discharge - Make Him Walk The Plank - die socons for making ghey jokes, Die I Say!

281 There goes cohesion and trust.  Senior command throwing Honors overboard for these videos, after he had already be counseled they were in bad form, sends a message to everyone in the fleet to cover their a**es least you get keelhauled for saying something just a tad off-color.  In the USSR, it was the job of political officers to ensure the officer corps always said the correct political things or else.  We seem to be heading there.

282 LOL...Yes, the Big E is also less affectionately nicknamed the "Mobile Chernobyl"

283 " CAPT Honors bought me a beer once. We were out in Gaeta inspecting the Mount Whitney in 2008. They did very well, considering her unique situation being alone overseas and having a hybrid military/civilian crew. The last night there, after the inspection was over, he and about half the crew were at the bar across the street from the base there, and he was BUYING."

Sounds like either Moniques (Owners daughter was our neighbor), Rendezvous or Vic's. Spent 7 years there on two tours with LaSalle.  The hybrid crew shouldn't have been too bad but for every repair, they had to bring the locals up from Napoli.

*I could tell you  horror stories*

284 #197, sometimes it's really funny when the women decide to be the politically incorrect ones. I knew a good looking female E-5 from the forward support company who was trying to make "I Must Increase My Bust" by Lords of Acid work as a running cadence. The beats per minute change just didn't adapt though. She just thought it would be hilarious to have a company that was 75 percent men repeating along with the chorus.

I never got to use "My daddy was a Nazi and my mommy was a bitch" again after 2001 though.

285 293. I was thinking Vic's myself, excellent sandwiches! Btw, why do you have to climb a damn mountain to use the exchange there? Did two lamadd tours myself

286 They would never have expected an admiral to join the party. In fact if any admiral had walked by they would be more inclined to fall on their bellies and avert their eyes as if he were some oriental potentate.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at January 04, 2011 05:20 PM (LEMIN)

"Fuck 'em.  Let 'em walk."  I believe this is what the Chief said when he droped ramp and made Gen. MacArthur walk ashore in the Philippines.

287 295  Ncj the non-terrorist cabbie
If you did Avails in Gaeta in either 94-97, or 2000-2004 and set foot in Engineering, we probably met.

Monte Orlando was a consolidation effort. Prior to that, all the support facilities were scattered throughout Gaeta. Exchange was on the waterfront, housing was downtown, etc. Other then the parking issue, it was a huge improvement.
And yes, Vic's makes an awesome sandwich. His mother taught my wife how to make pasta sauce, and several other dishes.

Would go back in a heartbeat.

288 The U.S. Navy produces the most two-faced, back-stabbingest, smarmy, holier-than-thou, prim, punctilious, picky, hypocritical and emotional and moral bullies that I have ever known.

Just take a look at some of the A$$holes they've produced:

John F'n Kerry
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Richard Milhous Nixon
James Earl Carter

to name a few.

289

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290 297. Back in those years I was in radcon on the Simon Lake out of lamadd, if you visited us and dealt with DCTT we may have met. I wanted there or Naples after lamadd but I got Hawaii again.....poor me

291 "Honors is being hung out to dry for something that was either fine with his then superiors or which he was duly critiqued for and allowed to move on in his career. Either way, this is ex post facto outrage and the senior leadership of the Navy has simply thrown a dedicated and decorated officer to the wolves."

Since when is this news?  200 years of tradition, unmarred by progress.   Don't think this won't ever happen again.  There has always been way too much hear no evil - see no evil in Naval aviation.  The other side of that coin has always been to shoot the scape goat whenever their frat house nonsense embarrasses the grown ups.  One dead scape goat = problem solved.  All fixed CNO.  Will never happen again.  And the 5th floor E-Ring pretends to believe it. 

Lessons learned from tailhook: none.  

292 By the way Drew there is no special additional nuclear training  for Enterprise XOs and COs. All prospective CVN XOs go through the senior officer nuclear training  program at Nuclear Power School and then the Nuclear power training unit. I was an instructor at the Idaho plant and trained  the surface group for a 4 year period. I even trained my own soon to be XO/CO of CVN 65. I did 2 tours on the Big E, made E5/6/7 and E8 on her. Also a tour at Airpac and CVN-72
Dave Head EMCM (SW) ret.
Bull Nuke
And on my first tour our Engineering Dept party gave away massages and hookers for door prizes. They also had a peso show. The Philippines had "what happens in, stays in" a LONG time before Vegas...

293 "Honors is being hung out to dry for something that was either fine with his then superiors or which he was duly critiqued for and allowed to move on in his career." Well, if he's deskbound, his career is pretty much over. You aren't gonna get to drive so much as a jetty, so I suspect he will put in for retirement at the first opportunity. Nice job Navy! All that money you spent to train him to drive a nuclear sub, and you pissed it away just because of some people goofin' on a video.

294 "well, it's not even good enough to be called porn." It wasn't even porn! No one was naked in the thing! What kind of porn is that?

295 In the navy
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In the navy
Come on now, people, make a stand
In the navy, in the navy
Can't you see we need a hand
In the navy
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In the navy
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In the navy
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296 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 04, 2011 07:36 PM

Rendezvous. My favorite place there. We got so familiar with Alessia and her mom that when they closed the bar, they told us to stay. I won't drink Jaeger anymore, 'nuff said. She loves that stuff, and is willing to share.

Let me tell you about the night BEFORE. It was karaoke night at the Ren-des-vous. A friend of  Mama as there by the name of "Jenny". "Jenny" is well, a dude. My buddy, who shall remain nameless...OK his name is Ken, struck up a conversation with Jenny, and generally had a great time with "her". When he went up to sing, and he could sing, he "dedicated this song to a very special lady he met tonight" and he sang...Tommy and the Tutones "Jenny".  You know - 867-5309.

We couldn't stop laughing, it was so damn funny. Or maybe you had to be there.  Jesus, we got fucked up that night, all Chiefs and Senior Chiefs acting the young Sailors we used to be.

My other favorite memory is from November of  '07, our first time there and a buddy of mine was getting pretty fucked up elsewhere and we wandered in for a drink. He saw the setup of Mojito pitchers and these really long straws. He's already fucked up, and asks Alessia "what do I gotta do to get one of those straws?" She gives him this pitcher of Mojito and he looks to me and says "You gotta help me drink this". Fuck if I remember getting back to the Serapo hotel.

Good Times.

297 LOL! Right on target, pam. It's so funny. All the homosexuality retards here having this case exploding right in their faces. Everywhere there are homosexuals, there are pink mafias. Ace pushing for two chicks together, for GOProud, for Log Cabin, giving blog space to this ass of Malor, this idiotic Dave in Texas-- and now it explodes right in their  homosexuality brown-nosed faces!

hah.

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