January 03, 2011
— DrewM The Days of Don't Ask, Don't Tell and DREAM Act are over.
House Republicans will vote next week to repeal the new health care law, making good on a top-tier GOP campaign promise and setting up a showdown with President Barack Obama over his signature domestic policy achievement.Majority Leader-elect Eric Cantor announced the timeline for considering the repeal legislation Monday: the bill will post on the Rules Committee website Monday night, the Rules Committee will meet Thursday, and the rule for the debate will be considered on the House floor Friday. The repeal vote will follow on Wednesday, Jan 12.
"Obamacare is a job killer for businesses small and large, and the top priority for House Republicans is going to be to cut spending and grow the economy and jobs,” Cantor spokesman Brad Dayspring said in a statement. “Further, ObamaCare failed to lower costs as the president promised that it would and does not allow people to keep the care they currently have if they like it. That is why the House will repeal it next week.”
The MFM will dismiss this as symbolic and let's be honest, it is (it's DoA in the Senate and even if it weren't, there's Obama's veto). Still, symbols are important. The public sent a message in November about jobs and the economy (the GOP is smart to tie them to health care) and the Democrats responded with START, DREAM Act and repealing DADT.
With health care/economy back on the agenda it's advantage Republicans.
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Posted by: Barack Obama at January 03, 2011 01:25 PM (ISHA6)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 01:26 PM (+iY8m)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2011 01:27 PM (del3r)
Posted by: Barack Obama at January 03, 2011 01:28 PM (ISHA6)
Posted by: TC at January 03, 2011 01:28 PM (BAtLQ)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 01:28 PM (+iY8m)
The names of the Democrats who vote for repeal. That will be symbolic.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2011 01:29 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 01:29 PM (+iY8m)
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2011 01:30 PM (Ew1k4)
That's okay. It contributes to the "framing", the "optics" if you will. 2012 here we come. I wouldn't want to try to defend this cowflop.
Posted by: pep at January 03, 2011 01:31 PM (8lSIO)
This.
Besides, I'd love to see it in the Senate: There are 47 Republicans who know it would be suicide not to vote for repeal, and... how many Democrats are up for re-election in 2012? I bet you could get a number of them to vote for it, too. It wouldn't take many to get to 50. But you would need 60 to get cloture, and I'm not sure how close we could get to that. But the fight would be awesome.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 03, 2011 01:32 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: archie bunker at January 03, 2011 01:33 PM (0YS61)
Posted by: cali grump at January 03, 2011 01:33 PM (hL0k8)
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said earlier Monday that Democrats in that chamber will block any attempt to repeal the landmark legislation extending coverage to more than 30 million uninsured people.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 03, 2011 01:33 PM (RsCf8)
Posted by: maddogg at January 03, 2011 01:34 PM (OlN4e)
Who really gives a damn if Obama veto's it?
Its not like he was going to say "Hell yeah, great idea!"
Posted by: Gmac at January 03, 2011 01:34 PM (k2Fyd)
Posted by: ChiTown-Jerry at January 03, 2011 01:35 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Soothsayer the magician at January 03, 2011 01:36 PM (uFokq)
This statement reminds me of the scene in Good Will Hunting, when Robin Williams asks a clueless dolt in his class why trust is important for a psychotherapist, and he responds "Trust is life". Williams ponders this turd for a moment, and then says condescendingly, "that's very profound".
Posted by: pep at January 03, 2011 01:36 PM (8lSIO)
They shouldn't attach unrelated shit to any bill.
Posted by: TC at January 03, 2011 01:37 PM (BAtLQ)
Posted by: Barry Soetoro, (D) Indonesia at January 03, 2011 01:37 PM (ndnQR)
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2011 05:30 PM (Ew1k4)
Oooh, me likey.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 03, 2011 01:38 PM (h0RtZ)
We didn't win all those shiny new seats just to take some prisoners.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 03, 2011 01:38 PM (Jdtsu)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 03, 2011 01:38 PM (veZ9n)
Posted by: goozer at January 03, 2011 01:42 PM (F1aIq)
Posted by: pep at January 03, 2011 01:42 PM (8lSIO)
There are Super Bowls, and there are Olympic Gold Medals. You can cheat during the Super Bowl and win, and that's that: you're Super Bowl Champion for that year, forever. But Olympic medals can be taken away.
Obama cheated like hell to get elected (campaign contributions from overseas) and everyone knows it but no one talks about it because the result can't be reversed. He's the 44th President, and he'll always be the 44th President.
But his Health Care Reform Act is complete horseshit; everyone knows that, too. Take it away.
Posted by: FireHorse at January 03, 2011 01:42 PM (sWynj)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 03, 2011 05:32 PM (8y9MW)
Hmmm.... wonder what would happen if the "attatched" it to raising the debt ceiling? Would Dems vote against raising the ceiling????
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2011 01:43 PM (AdK6a)
This. Doolittle and his fliers didn't wait until polls told them what the effect of an attack on Tokyo would be. Nor did they squish out in deference to their "friends across the aisle ocean."
Like the Japanese government of the time, Osama Obama is going to feel the sting of every little bomb the Repubs have the balls to drop on him. His imagined infallibility will be worn away, and the treasonous turd will suddenly wake up one morning to find Congress carpet-bombing his ass.
And then we win.
Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 03, 2011 01:43 PM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 03, 2011 01:43 PM (zk7RY)
Posted by: SlaveDog at January 03, 2011 01:43 PM (H6Jyg)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 01:44 PM (+iY8m)
Anything granted can be taken away.
They shouldn't attach unrelated shit to any bill.
Define "unrelated." One of the issues of Obamacare is the budget consequences, so attaching it to the debt limit increase (if they go the route of passing that) seems reasonable enough to me. The otherwise stand alone budget for HHS would be a good one, too.
Posted by: Methos at January 03, 2011 01:44 PM (Ew1k4)
Dem Senators up for re-election in 2012:
Dianne Feinstein of California
Tom Carper of Delaware
Bill Nelson of Florida
Daniel Akaka of Hawaii
Ben Cardin of Maryland
Debbie Stabenow of Michigan
Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota
Claire McCaskill of Missouri
Jon Tester of Montana
Ben Nelson of Nebraska
Bob Menendez of New Jersey
Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico
Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
Kent Conrad of North Dakota
Sherrod Brown of Ohio
Bob Casey, Jr. of Pennsylvania
Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island
Jim Webb of Virginia
Maria Cantwell of Washington
Joe Manchin of West Virginia
Herb Kohl of Wisconsin
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 03, 2011 01:46 PM (k18jn)
Posted by: that salty dog with hold fast tattooed on his knuckles at January 03, 2011 01:47 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2011 01:48 PM (8SOun)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2011 01:48 PM (tJjm/)
Hmmm.... wonder what would happen if the "attatched" it to raising the debt ceiling? Would Dems vote against raising the ceiling????
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2011 05:43 PMAttach it to the budget bill, the debt ceiling bill, every appropriations bill -- especially those the Senator From Harrah's supports -- except those relating to military needs.
Attach it to everything that comes out of the House. Senators don't read the bills they pass, anyway. A day will come when the Mohammedan Mouthpiece will be too busy practicing golf swings to check what he's signing, and the sonumbish will let it slip by.
Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 03, 2011 01:49 PM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: FireHorse at January 03, 2011 01:49 PM (sWynj)
"Once people see what's in it, they'll love it." /liberal numbnuts.
Yeah. Go with that, liberals.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 03, 2011 01:50 PM (k18jn)
What if the house passes and the Senate does too? What if the repeal ends up on BHO hoo hoo's desk? I know it won't happen, but I wonder how his fragine psyche would take it...
Posted by: Chris Christie at January 03, 2011 01:50 PM (UpqKo)
And when the Senate fails to move, I assume the picking starts.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 03, 2011 01:51 PM (S5YRY)
How about just not funding any 2011 government employee salaries until the Senate votes on Obamacare repeal?
Posted by: PR at January 03, 2011 01:51 PM (V6CZ8)
Posted by: journolist at January 03, 2011 01:51 PM (LwLqV)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 01:52 PM (+iY8m)
Posted by: goozer at January 03, 2011 05:42 PM (F1aIq)
Yes. It must be attacked from all angles.
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 05:44 PM (+iY8m)
And Boehner has said this on several occasions.
Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2011 01:53 PM (8SOun)
Posted by: PR at January 03, 2011 01:54 PM (V6CZ8)
Posted by: Jon at January 03, 2011 01:54 PM (Xt7UU)
Bill Nelson of Florida (Just elected Senator Rubio)
Debbie Stabenow of Michigan (Just went Purple)
Ben Nelson of Nebraska (Already hated the Health Care bill)
Bob Casey, Jr. of Pennsylvania (Just elected Senator Toomey)
Jim Webb of Virginia (Purplish-Red)
Joe Manchin of West Virginia (Purple- and not too fond of the Health Care Bill IIRC)
With our 47 (assuming the line holds) that's 53. We'd only need 7 more to "Hear the Call of History" and vote for cloture.
Then let BOHICA veto it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 03, 2011 01:55 PM (8y9MW)
That will make them squeal.
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 05:52 PM (+iY8m)
Or start adding to every bill that the "General Welfare" clause means it must affect everyone equaly, thus exemptions will not be allowed, either at the Personal, Company, or State level.
But then, heck, I would have added that to the lawsuit to repeal the dang thing anyway... as it gives to much power to unelected Staff to exempt groups, and thus flies in the Face of "Equal Protection" and "General Welfare".
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2011 01:55 PM (AdK6a)
I say put this into every bill: "The Health Care Reform Act of 2009 is summarily repealed." Put it in the beginning of some, the end of others, in the middle of most. Put it in three or four or sixteen times. Since English isn't our official language, insert it in Estonian and Faroese so they can't Ctrl-F for certain terms.
If nothing else, it'll get the Dems to never again claim they didn't carefully read a bill all the way through.
Posted by: FireHorse at January 03, 2011 01:57 PM (sWynj)
I can easily see Webb doing a McCain, and choosing to lose nobly, since he is so moral and all. Works for me.
Posted by: pep at January 03, 2011 01:57 PM (8lSIO)
Orrrrrrr...
A "Sense of the House" nonbinding resolution, deeming Obamacare UnConstitutional????
Might help with the Supremes when it gets there...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2011 01:57 PM (AdK6a)
Posted by: jjshaka at January 03, 2011 01:58 PM (ZAFnK)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2011 01:58 PM (tJjm/)
Another line I'd love to see added: "Any Citizen of the United States has Legal Standing to Sue the Government in relation to any passed legislation."
Or, "This law shall only take affect if ratified by 2/3 of the legislatures of the Several States."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 03, 2011 01:58 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2011 05:58 PM (tJjm/)
I have a theory that he WAS adopted by Soetoro, and thus had his name changed, but never LEGALY changed it back...
Then used his "foreign" status to get College grants and such...
Thus he must hide his records, because they would proove fraud.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2011 02:00 PM (AdK6a)
Turn EbolaCare into a jalapeno suppository.
I'm not sure about that. I'm sure Bawny would love a good jalapeno suppository. To him, it might feel like a good night on the town.
Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2011 02:02 PM (8SOun)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 02:03 PM (+iY8m)
Symbolism is important.
Before the battle starts, you have to uncase the colors, play the fife and drum, and pray to God.
The ass-whuppin' will follow.
Posted by: sifty at January 03, 2011 02:03 PM (L6ppJ)
And if it passed, there'd be a lot less support from the usual suspects who just lost their special deals.
Posted by: FUBAR at January 03, 2011 02:05 PM (McG46)
Or, "This law shall only take affect if ratified by 2/3 of the legislatures of the Several States."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 03, 2011 05:58 PM (8y9MW)
Yeah, I've never been able to figure out how Sovereign Immunity can coexist with our system.... when we have the RIGHT to petition for redress, yet the only avenue to do so is the courts, but then we can't sue... /head spins
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2011 02:05 PM (AdK6a)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 02:05 PM (+iY8m)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 03, 2011 05:58 PM (8y9MW)
You realize that EVERY piece of passed legislation would be the subject of a suit, right?
Posted by: FUBAR at January 03, 2011 02:07 PM (McG46)
The Unions Recommended We Try the Turd Sandwich, They Should Help Eat the Turd Sandwich Act of 2011
Posted by: sifty at January 03, 2011 02:07 PM (L6ppJ)
"Symbol" is the dem talking point...FULLY endorsed at HA
Posted by: NfromNC at January 03, 2011 02:08 PM (kR57Q)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 03, 2011 05:58 PM (8y9MW)
You realize that EVERY piece of passed legislation would be the subject of a suit, right?
Hmmmmm.
Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2011 02:09 PM (8SOun)
Let me explain to you the difference between a Feature and a Bug...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 03, 2011 02:11 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: goozer at January 03, 2011 05:42 PM (F1aIq)
Yes. It must be attacked from all angles.
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 05:44 PM (+iY8m)
And Boehner has said this on several occasions.
Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2011 05:53 PM (8SOun)
I could care less what our lachrymose lawmaker has said - we already know how those who control the narrative to the proles will spin this into mere rhetoric, and I make no odds on how fast those on 'our' side will go along with embracing the symbolism so as 'reach across' - or is that 'reach around'? We've already seen the cracks forming in the incoming class...
Start to defund or the next march on D.C. may not be as polite...
Posted by: goozer at January 03, 2011 02:11 PM (F1aIq)
He was a rep, not a senator....and he was mine. So glad the bastard is gone. He really started pi$$ing on his constituents, and conservatives in general before he lost his reelection to Trey Gowdy.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2011 02:12 PM (x9xik)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 03, 2011 02:16 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 03, 2011 02:19 PM (+kzvp)
I'm really liking the idea of placing "The Health Care Reform Act of 2009 [Or whatever it was called (AG)] is hereby repealed," in random places through out "must pass" bills like budgets, Medicare appropriations, etc.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 03, 2011 02:20 PM (8y9MW)
Some argue that the Alamo or Thermopylae are symbols. Lost fights in and of themselves that changed everything that came afterward in those wars.
Luckily we have a chance to make all the shitweasels fall in line behind Obama's unconstitutional boondoggle.
Democrats won't be able to hide in the jungle on these votes. Make them monthly occurrences. Let every socialist douche stand up to be counted defending Obamacare.
Then we defund the awful somebitch before it takes root and grows.
Shit, we might even win.
Posted by: sifty at January 03, 2011 02:24 PM (L6ppJ)
Preach it, brother.
Posted by: Barry Goldwater at January 03, 2011 02:26 PM (8lSIO)
Posted by: An Observer at January 03, 2011 06:23 PM (IhHdM)
And they'll do so proudly, so saturated are they with communist/socialist ideals.
Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2011 02:27 PM (8SOun)
Posted by: this shit delende est at January 03, 2011 02:28 PM (L6ppJ)
Soetoro is his stepfather's name. If it shows up in his BC, it is because his mom amended it and he (or she) changed it back.
Which may be the motivation for keeping it hidden, he never acknowledged the possibility that he had carried an Indonesian passport.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2011 02:28 PM (T0NGe)
@84
Kratos,
It doesn't matter if it passes the Senate at first. It can be used as a wedge on every piece of legislation moving forward.
"Oh you want a Spending Bill...Compromise on this piece of ObamaCare then!"
"Oh you want a Defense Bill.....Compromise on this piece of ObamaCare then!"
"Oh you want Amnesty...Compromise on this piece of ObamaCare then!"
etc...etc...etc
The Republicans can play that game till the cows come home, because their base is demanding it....they can do no wrong with this strategy. Once The Democrats get the picture...of course Obama will never admit to it publically...but privately ObamaCare will start to be dismantled. Just as long as the idiot left believes that Republicans are evil for doing this...Obama will fold like a cheap suit!
Posted by: Jimi at January 03, 2011 02:29 PM (fqxV7)
Posted by: ParisParamus at January 03, 2011 05:27 PM (del3r)
They'll treat it as a bunch of crazy cranks trying to set the Nation back to the time of leeches and draining blood.
I'm pretty sure it will be a cause of Global Warming
roflmao
Posted by: donabernathy at January 03, 2011 02:29 PM (IvFdV)
Then, since it didn't pass the House, it was never validly sent on to the President for signing and is not law.
Wheee!
Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at January 03, 2011 02:32 PM (VPlpE)
I'm really liking the idea of placing "The Health Care Reform Act of 2009 [Or whatever it was called (AG)] is hereby repealed," in random places through out "must pass" bills like budgets, Medicare appropriations, etc.
THAT'S NOT CIVIL, YOU EVIL RETHUGLICAN!!
Posted by: Some Democrat at January 03, 2011 02:38 PM (XdlcF)
Posted by: this shit delende est at January 03, 2011 02:41 PM (L6ppJ)
Vote it over and over and over. Make it zombie legislation like the Democrats/RINOs want amnesty legislation. Get Step One of Two of Socialized Medicine (aka ObamaCare) emblazoned on the foreheads of these Statists.
The icing on the cake? Watching the MFM and Progressive strategists (BIRM) fight to redefine the words for "death panel." The icing on the icing? It's a term Palin used early and, as perceived, often.
And don't follow Krauthammer's lead of attacking only on the policy side. Go for the funding, too. This is a hill to die on.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 03, 2011 02:43 PM (swuwV)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 03, 2011 02:47 PM (o3bYL)
Bingo! and Yahtzee!
Posted by: elliot m at January 03, 2011 02:49 PM (pDWjd)
Posted by: evensickerofObama at January 03, 2011 03:15 PM (sFUT5)
Posted by: The GOP at January 03, 2011 03:24 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: eman at January 03, 2011 05:26 PM
Yes, and make Obama veto it. Not quite what he wanted on his desk as he writes the SOTU.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 03, 2011 03:27 PM (pbiuo)
Yeah. We have to pass those bills to see what's in them.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 03, 2011 03:31 PM (pbiuo)
Posted by: Libertyship46 at January 03, 2011 03:37 PM (T2uQs)
Having said that, Boehner should use that big ass gavel to announce that repeal has passed the house.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 03, 2011 04:03 PM (9ZM8n)
Repeal ObamaCare and watch the economy take off and surge ahead.
ObamaCare - despite all the soraing rehtoric and false promises (it's free!) (and the cover-up by our dumb media as to who is going to pay for it all)- ObamaCare is bad bad bad for economic growth and hiring. If it were so rosey-- why is ObamaCare already set aside for the democrat's union buddies? hmmm?
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