1 In like Flynn!

2 Mr Christie, you make good cookies.

3 Whaddup retards?!

4

I'd sure like to see a bit more optimism and rah-rah from him.

I'm sorry, what?

5 What's this stuff? What happened to the Matt Damon blog we know and love?

6 That's kinda unfair from Palin...and I like her...but she made cuts in a pretty conservative state, while NJ is a completely different political environment and Christie has to play to deal with local voters.  That being said, I need to learn more about his Islam issues.

7
I think Palin is entitled to a bit of counter-punch in regards to Christie.  If memory serve me right, she had some glowing remarks about Gov. Christie early on in his tenure... I don't believe he's ever reciprocated.

8

Maybe Christie should have his pom-poms on but he's right. 

9 Hey, my hash has DUH in it now. WINNING!

10 OH HERE WE GO!

11 I'm not loving Christie's lack of support for the current field.

I think he's keeping his options open and there's no need to boost the field if his entry plan is, "I really don't want to do this but if not me, who?'

12 Christie: I could totally beat the shit out of Mike Tyson. But I'm not a boxer, so I don't have to prove it.

Palin: I am totally not interested in running for President, but if I do run I'll be awesomer than anyone.



I think both of these people are getting shitty advice from their press people.
Time for Reagan's 11th Commandment to go into effect until the primary debates.

Christie and Palin seem intent on doing the Dems work for them.

13

I was surprised at this reaction from Palin.  It seemed defensive and self-serving.

She's got a point, but Christie is, in fact, displaying courage.  For one thing, he confronts the protesters directly, which is what produces the Ewokgasms.

Palin doesn't do stuff like that.  For that matter, almost no politician does because they end up in a Joe the Plumber type situation and if you don't have a slobbering media, you don't get away with it.

14 Christie should step up.

15

but she made cuts in a pretty conservative state

Actually, I'd think cuts are more unpopular in Alaska, given the last Senatorial race.

16 Posted by: sifty at March 05, 2011 05:42 PM (JoaNS)

I agree- I would prefer to see both of them hammering on BO

17 Uh...I like Palin, but Alaska has this stuff in the ground called oil.  And gas.  With high prices.  Not sure the AK, NJ comparison is totally fair...

18 Ace if she's not a candidate , who is? Has anyone declared?

Christie has been digging at her many times.

He complained about her Tuscon defense for one.

19 What they are doing is engraving a list of talking points in gold and presenting it to cocksuckers like Shep Smith on a silver platter.

20 Unprompted, really

Well, Christie did say Palin needed more unscripted moments.  So she's taking his advice at the same time.  Enjoyable on a few levels.

21 I agree- I would prefer to see both of them hammering on BO

After a point, yes, but intramural scrimmages make the team stronger.

22 Christie should sit on Sarah Palin.

23 17 Uh...I like Palin, but Alaska has this stuff in the ground called oil.  And gas.  With high prices.  Not sure the AK, NJ comparison is totally fair...

Posted by: ParisParamus at March 05, 2011 05:46 PM (bgSjf)

To play devil's advocate, that's what she's saying.  In Alaska, with vast oil wealth and natural resources, it's easy to kick the can down the road.

24 15 but she made cuts in a pretty conservative state

Actually, I'd think cuts are more unpopular in Alaska, given the last Senatorial race.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2011 05:44 PM (BvBKY)

Seriously.  We wonder why Miller lost.  How much pork did Meercatsky promise Alaska?  All the states, surplus or deficit, need to hack spending way down.

25 I've come to the conclusion that the Republicans are either a) afraid of Obama, or b) secretly agree with his policies. It could be both. But if it's more of a case that the Republicans privately agree with Obama's policies it explains their tepid and reluctant opposition.

26 I'm getting tired of her.

27 It's awfully easy to climb up out of a trench, throw down your arms, retreat to the Green Zone of friendly media, and then from there snipe about how the people who remained behind in that trench to fight are doing it wrong.

28 Also, I think Christie just got elected not too long ago. He is still doing his first crack at the corruption.

New Jersey is a very big boil. It will take a while to lance completely.

29 "26 I'm getting tired of her.

Posted by: Annabelle at March 05, 2011 05:48 PM (4kxCX)"

Yep. People who are always the victim get annoying fast.

30 Her smackdown of that egotistical blowhard bastage O'Reilly was better. He looked like he was gonna cry.

31

If yelling at teachers were the #1 prerequisite for being POTUS Christie would be a contender in my book but, as far as I'm concerned, his conservative credentials are fiscal-only.

32

Christie.  Palin.  Steel cage match.  You know you want to see it.

Actually, Christie has said that he likes the idea of a Barbour or Daniels run, so I don't think he's secretly planning on jumping in late in the game as conservative savior, even though he probably should.

33 New Jersey ain't Alaska.  Being Governor of New Jersey is an order of magnitude more challenging than being Governor of Alaska which has less than 1 million people and is flush with oil money.  Palin is beginning to wear a bit thin. Her scripted words are always the same- I think some time out of the public eye is in order.  And one thing is for sure; she can't beat Obama.  Independents would not support her for a variety of reasons, lack of real experience is one.  Being mayor of Wasilla doesn't count

34 cHRISTIE MAD THE FIRST MISTAKE KNOCKING ON HER AND SHE MADE A MISTAKE KNOCKING ON HIM.

Damn I hate caps lock.

Anyway, Republicans should not be beating on each other. The press, the Dems, and every media organization in the country is already attacking Republicans and we don't need Republican attacking each other.

35 11th Commandment, people.  Do I have to come back up there?

36 #31:

Yelling at shitty,greedy, corrupt, commie pinko Democrat money-laundering Teachers' Unions.

I think that's what you meant.

37
Notice how unequivocal is Palin's response to Christie's repeated attacks. Unlike most politicians and public figures, you never have any doubt when Palin has pulled the trigger or who was in her sights. So unlike Christie with his girlie little eye-roll on the Fallon Gong Show or his passive-aggressive "advice" for Palin on her messaging. She just smacked his ass. And no, Palin's response to Asman's question in no way played into Christie's "unscripted" comments- but hell, you tried, Ace
This is what Palin does to Christie if he should run against her, and he knows it:

http://tinyurl.com/29n5jst.

38 @15 & 24.  True...they all do love their pork.  And not the good bacon-y kind.

39

Christie: I could totally beat the shit out of Mike Tyson. But I'm not a boxer, so I don't have to prove it.

Palin: I am totally not interested in running for President, but if I do run I'll be awesomer than anyone.

Either of these is better than

Madden: The officials made a mistake during the 1977 season's playoffs.

Because that's what we have now.

40 Oh, and don't get so worked up.  This is politics, lots of big egos and strutting.  It makes their case all the stronger when they actually do pull for each other.

41 Being mayor of Wasilla doesn't count

Posted by: gord


-----

Why the heck not?

:confused

42 pfftt....the Libyan rebels announced the creation of a republic... now that's hard.

43 Not running and also not offering some uplift for the actual candidate

Who's running?  Seriously.  What's the fucking point of uplifting candidates when there really aren't any? 

Anyway, as soon as Christie opens his trap and says something positive about anyone who has announced, he'll be a RINO for doing so. 

As for Palin, yeah, her fans are quite excited she went after Christie.  Don't really know why.  Don't really care.  I fail to see how it advances our cause to minimize/belittle the efforts of a sitting GOP governor, but I'm sure there's some nuanced way it does advance conservatism.  To me it just seems petty. 

44

Christie has taken little digs here and there at Palin. Nothing serious (he's not Maureen Dowd or Peggy Noonan). It's nice to see her give him a little dig back.

I think Christie is New Jersey's Palin. He's willing to flip tables the way Palin was willing to flip tables in Alaska when she was governor. Take on the good old boys or the unions or whatever. Chris is great VP material because he doesn't have to take his focus off NJ to run for president, yet could take two months off in the fall of 2012 to pull in all those electoral votes for the GOP.

My advice to the big guy is to to start treating her nicer. I know he has to keep the blue bloods in New Jersey happy by not enrolling in the Palin army, but he needs to talk with her behind the scenes.

I'm not yet ready to endorse a Palin/Christie ticket, but I'm open to it if they can agree that the greater good of the country is more important than a Jersey attitude toward a fellow Republican.

45 I have no doubt that the McCain?Graham Variety of  Republican has absolutely no intention of ever overturning Obamacare.

They beat off to the thought of controlling lives and all that power over the economy just as much as Obama does.

It won't take long for The Ring to overthrow weak bastards like McCain and the rest of the Alan Alda Republicans.

46 CC took a dig at her on leno.

He complained about her twice about "she needs to be unscripted".

He didn't like that she defended herself against the tuscon blood libel.While he was rubbing his bitch tits against his plasma when Obama made his speech.

Before that Palin has just said good things about the slug.

But no , she's not allowed to hit back.She should tone it down.

47 Dig. The Truth. Pototo, Potatuh, potatoe

48 in b4 the delusion!

49 Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2011 05:44 PM (BvBKY)

I think it shows more than anything that Joe Miller isn't very good at politics. He allowed himself to get dragged off message constantly and he said a lot of shit that made him look arrogant. After he won the primary he let Huckabee's ham-handed operatives take over his campaign. Palin cut spending and cut earmark requests massively and did so with an 80% approval rating, so I don't think that in and of itself is necessarily disqualifying in AK politics.

50 too late

51 "As for Palin, yeah, her fans are quite excited she went after Christie.  Don't really know why."

Palin doesn't have fans. She only has members. http://tinyurl.com/6397gxb

52 Ho hum.

What office or honorary title is it that Palin holds, again?  Who does she represent, again? Put out up or shut up.

53 It's always easiest to be snide and snarky. And it's fun!

54 he did have the option that many politicians take of raising taxes and kicking the problem further down the road

Not so. Total taxation is already beyond the revenue-maximizing percentage. (It's science. You can look it up.) Raising them doesn't raise money. It only transfers the burden of taxation to people who can't afford accountants—which we've already done to the point that America majority-destitute.

b) secretly agree with his policies.

Worst-kept. Secret. Ever.

55 +is

56 Palin's fans kind of remind me of Thulsa Doom's cult from Conan the Barbarian (otherwise known as the Greatest Hokey Sci-Fi/Fantasy Film of All Time).

57 >>>My advice to the big guy is to to start treating her nicer. I know he has to keep the blue bloods in New Jersey happy by not enrolling in the Palin army, but he needs to talk with her behind the scenes. That's true. The problem, though, is this: Palin's problem is that she is as polarizing as Hilary Clinton was. More, really. So she's a bit of a Tar Baby. You don't want to get all tangled up with her. I and many many other people have kept calling for Palin to attempt to recast her image to be less "For Hard-Core Conservatives Only" and "For Any Reasonable Conservative Leaning Voter" but she continues narrow-casting to her book-buying base. I hate to be a cynic, but a politician has an interest in expanding her support. On the other hand, someone interested in being a media star (like Rush Limbaugh) has a strong interest in focusing only on a small subsection of voters and playing relentlessly to them. I will believe Palin is a real candidate when she starts making a stronger effort to woo not just her loyal base but the other people she'll need to actually win an election.

58 Christie fans are unhappy that Palin made a valid criticism about Christie? If you keep poking at the pitbull, she will biteback

59

I think it shows more than anything that Joe Miller isn't very good at politics.

He's a lawyer.  That's pretty much all he has to be good at.

60 Right now I'll vote for anyone who doesn't make me want to take a flame thrower to my TV.

61 >>>He didn't like that she defended herself against the tuscon blood libel. What did he say exactly?

62 Christie fans reminds me of Cartman from South Park trying to pick a fight with Carl. Carl punches and he cries

63

Not so. Total taxation is already beyond the revenue-maximizing percentage.

Ahem.  Progressive surtaxes on legal fees.

64 "What courage really is, is in the face of having a surplus when you have opportunity to spend spend spend other peopleÂ’s money, you still choose to reign in government to let the private sector soar. ThatÂ’s real courage, and by the way thatÂ’s what I did as Governor here when I engaged in hiring freezes and reduced earmarks by 86% and vetoed the largest amounts in our stateÂ’s history. Despite having a surplus thatÂ’s real leadership and thatÂ’s courage."

That's interesting, Sarah™; I didn't realize that when Christie assumed his office 14 months ago (this would be approximately six months after you fled your own) it was at the helm of a state with a budget surplus (and a sparsely-unionized population of less than a million people).

But hey, everything looks simple from the Green Zone, doesn't it?

65 Chris Christie on ‘Blood Libel’: Palin Should Have Left it Alone

66 This argument reminds me of the old Waylon Jennings song:

Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way?

All these new players at a very old game, flailing around and trying to distinguish themselves. And they don't stop and think about what actually works.

67 There is a reason other politicians are always distancing themselves from Palin and *not* inviting her to campaign on their behalves. Her current image is simply too polarizing to be politically successful. And what's frustrating to me is I don't think it needs to be this way -- as I keep saying, I don't believe Palin's policies are "extreme" at all. But she's being painted that way, and because she doesn't seem to be doing outreach except to already-convinced die-harts, she seems almost happy to be thought of as a candidate For Hard-Core Conservatives Only.

68 Who's actually declared so far?  George Will suggested that the plausible candidates are Romney, Daniels, Barbour, Huntsman, and Pawlenty.  Cain and Gingrich have also stated they're in the race.  We need a spreadsheet.

Christie and Palin, as budget cutting governors, should continue volleyballing Obama over the net.

I suck at sports analogies.  Forgive me.

69 Palin's fans kind of remind me of Thulsa Doom's cult from Conan the Barbarian (otherwise known as the Greatest Hokey Sci-Fi/Fantasy Film of All Time).

So do the Christie worshipers, the Romneybots, and the Paultards.

As Roger Miller said long ago, where have all the average people gone?

70 The article in #64: http://tinyurl.com/45k483k

71 What did he say exactly?

He said she should have left the phrase "blood libel" out. 

"I don't think anybody really believes that Governor Palin was trying to make someone get hurt or bring violence on," Christie said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "And I think she just should have said that and left it at that."

It's along the same lines of what others have said and gotten nailed for, such as when Pawlenty (?) said he would not have used the 'target' graphic. 

Personally, I agree with both of them.  But it's just an opinion and a style thing, so I don't see what the fuss is about. 

72 Reasonable people can disagree with the need and method for her to respond to the Tuscon BS.

Anyone with their brains still between their ears knew already she had nothing to do with it.

It was a coin toss.

73 Governor Chris Christie doesnÂ’t know if Sarah Palin understood what she was getting into when she used the term "blood libel" in her Facbook post yesterday, but the New Jersey Republican said she should have simplified her message and left it alone.

“I don’t think anybody really believes that Governor Palin was trying to make someone get hurt or bring violence on. And I think she just should have said that and left it at that,” he told me this morning.

74 I will believe Palin is a real candidate when she starts making a stronger effort to woo not just her loyal base but the other people she'll need to actually win an election.

Posted by: ace at March 05, 2011 05:59 PM (nj1bB)

Ace,

That sounds like a subjective judgment.  How do you know when that happens?  What positions or statements can she make that everyone agrees is pitching to independents and moderates?

----

Howard Dean never moderated his attacks on Bush and the Iraq war and the Dems ended up with Kerry.  We're they better off going with the safe choice?

75 11th Commandment, people.  Do I have to come back up there?

Posted by: Zombie Reagan at March 05, 2011 05:51 PM (h35AH)

You big-spending, amnesty-signing RINO!

76 Personally, I agree with both of them.  But it's just an opinion and a style thing, so I don't see what the fuss is about. 

Posted by: Y-not takes off her old sock at March 05, 2011 06:04 PM (pW2o

When somebody gets falsely accused of inspiring murder, it's not helpful to give aid and comfort to those making the charge,

77 Would coming out in favor of Gay Marriage help?

78 I'm not yet ready to endorse a Palin/Christie ticket, but I'm open to it if they can agree that the greater good of the country is more important than a Jersey attitude toward a fellow Republican.

That right there would be sex on a stick.

79 I can think of one place that could really use a Palin-free month.

80

You big-spending, amnesty-signing RINO!

You forgot to include how soft Reagan was on "the gays" while governor of California.  Left Coast RINO!

81  11th Commandment, people.  Do I have to come back up there?

Posted by: Zombie Reagan at March 05, 2011 05:51 PM (h35AH)

You aren't implying that RR is in hell are you?

82 There are two very different trailers to this movie.

83 The Alaska legislature was anything but conservative. Palin had no support when she cut spending there. She did it anyways. And she didn't pay anyone to follow her around with a camera to upload it on YouTube so anonymous bloggers could wank off to it. She's absolutely right that Christie has no choice but to cut. NJ already has the highest state and local tax burden and that has already sent high-income tax payers fleeing the state. NJ's bond rating is among the worst states. Floating more bonds isn't an option. Raising taxes isn't an option. He has to cut. He ran on cutting. Doing what you promised to do and what you have no choice to do is hardly some big fucking courageous thing. How courageous is it to take the only available road? If you morons want to slobber over a guy who is for gun control, amnesty, Ground Zero mosque, Obamacare and jihadi judges, fine go for it. But to a lot of people he looks like a blowhard pretending like he's doing some super-human feat when all he's doing is the minimal amount expected of him. Sorry that Palin popped the air out of Governor Goodyear Blimp.

84 In the back of every politicians mind has to be the thought:

If I never declare, I can never lose.

85 There are two very different trailers to this movie.

Boy meets girl?

86

I'm done falling in love. I'm afraid I've become cynical in my old age.  I want to have a true conservative run in 2012.  Someone who has a resume that truthfully chronicles all of the promises run on and a track record that shows whether or not they stuck to their public pledge.  I am going to have to be convinced that the SOB loves America and posesses the character and commitment to protect it and the people.   I like what Christie has done so far. I am impressed with his approach and his demeanor in dealing with the sewage in NJ.  But, I am only in like, at this point.  I think we need to see him evolve.  I feel the same way about Palin. 

87 On the Tuscon comments she should have fired back with both barrels. I think that was Bush's biggest shortcoming. He NEVER responded to attacks from the left. Bush lied became the truth because it kept being repeated over and over and nobody ever fought back.

I blame that asshole Rove for that. I never did see why everyone thought he was some kind of political genius. Bush won because the Dems ran such shitty candidates, not because of anything Rove did.

88 If Reagan is in Hell, it's only to visit his fellow Irishmen for a few pints.

89 So , CC has been attacking Palin for a long time , without her responding to it.

But i got to hand it too him , he's got bigger boobs than palin , and thats not just his supporters.

90 Boy meets girl? Hint: neither is a love story, but both involve a great lust for power.

91 When somebody gets falsely accused of inspiring murder, it's not helpful to give aid and comfort to those making the charge

I don't think his statement gave aid and comfort.  I think he dismissed the charge that she was responsible out of hand and merely added that he thought she should have kept her response simple.  That's his opinion.  I happen to agree with him about it, but even if I didn't, so what? 

Aside from the kerfuffle over the "I hope he fails" thing, I'm trying to remember how often we are called to proactively support everything Rush says or defend him.

I'd rather we spent time boosting up people who are actually in office right now, than tallying score sheets on who has defended or attacked pundits. 

92 Sorry that Palin popped the air out of Governor Goodyear Blimp.
Posted by: whatevs

^^^
I wish that some Palin fans would be a little more measured when defending her.  No need to get personal and sound like the viscous left.

93 It's still early.  Both may still have presidential aspirations for 2012.  They may just be setting up for the primaries.  I'm not penciling through anyone yet.  What Palin said is true.  Christie is only doing what he, as governer, is supposed to be doing.  What's so special about that?  The bar for "courageous" has fallen very low.

94 "David Asman's question really didn't suggest he was looking for a rebuttal to Christie" Asman opened the interview invoking Christie. Asman could have simply asked her “Governor do you find any of the current potential candidates inspiring?” Why mention Christie? Asman isn’t stupid he knew about the “unscripted” comment, he wanted a rebuttal and he got one. Palin wanted an opportunity to respond to Christie, Asman handed it to her on a plate, would have been crazy not to take it?

95 Her current image is simply too polarizing to be politically successful.
And what's frustrating to me is I don't think it needs to be this way -- as I keep saying, I don't believe Palin's policies are "extreme" at all. But she's being painted that way, and because she doesn't seem to be doing outreach except to already-convinced die-harts, she seems almost happy to be thought of as a candidate For Hard-Core Conservatives Only.
Posted by: ace at March 05, 2011 06:02 PM (nj1bB)

I would agree, but I think she is working on it. See the Q&A with the Long Island Association for example. She said she wanted to do more events like that in the future, which I think could go a long way in helping with that.

96 I dunno fellas, it seems to me that Christie, last week on Bob Schieffer's CBS show, gave Mitch Daniels an unprompted fellating, and also unprompted, went after Palin for a silly Potemkin criticism of being too "scripted." [seriously, WTF is that? And, if anything, she's not scripted enough -- what the hell do you think the "Going Rogue" episode from the '08 campaign was about] At least Palin gave Christie the dignity of a serious, substantive push-back rather than empty nonsense designed to curry favor with the press. If Christie can't handle little ole Sarah from Wasilla pointing that, in fact, he does not piss holy water, maybe he should stay in Trenton and leave the fight for America to the fighters.

97 But what oh what is Christie's position on circumcision!1!1!1!1!1!!1
Cause we know what is importante!1!!1!!1!

98 I mean it.  I will punch my way up through the coffin.  And I will draw the sane Democrats to our cause.  Yes, there are a few left.

99

I think he dismissed the charge that she was responsible out of hand and merely added that he thought she should have kept her response simple.  That's his opinion.

That's comfort.  When somebody says "9/11 was an inside job" you don't concede some of America's sins.  You say it's nuts and don't give the idea the time of day.

100 IMO, these days the most courageous conservative leader Scott Walker.  I mean, he's taking on the fight in Wisconsin.

101 11th Commandment, people.  Do I have to come back up there?

Posted by: Zombie Reagan at March 05, 2011 05:51 PM (h35AH)

Is that all it takes?  And here I've been sacrificing goats and offering virgins to accomplish that.

102 Palin can't cast a vote on a single law or issue from now until she is elected to office. Which means her opinion goes on the back burner until she declares.

The people casting votes right now have my attention. The ones fighting the fights and walking the walk every day.

The view from the Green Room at Fox or MSNBC is a lot different than  looking at an empty pantry and an empty gas tank.

103

it seems to me that Christie, last week on Bob Schieffer's CBS show, gave Mitch Daniels an unprompted fellating,

They both went to law school.

I'm sorry but no lawyer-politician respects any nonlawyer-politician.

104 No lawyer respects any non lawyer. In my experience it isn't limited to politics.

105 @99

"I don't think anybody really believes that Governor Palin was trying to make someone get hurt or bring violence on," Christie said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "And I think she just should have said that and left it at that."

How much clearer could Christie have been than to say he didn't think anybody really believes Palin incited violence?

Adding that she should have kept her remarks simple does not take away the other thing.  To me it's just equivalent to saying "I wouldn't have made those remarks."  Look, the guy is in office.  For all we know his phone banks were flooded with calls from constituents who were genuinely offended by the phrase.  Why isn't a sitting politician allowed to respond to his constituents by throwing them a rhetorical bone? 

106 Posted by: Vic at March 05, 2011 06:09 PM (M9Ie6)

Rove's specialty is organization and get-out-the-vote. He's very good at that end of it. But I don't think he's the guy to listen to when it comes to policy or messaging.

And he's really starting to piss me off with his latest antics. The same lefties who frothed with unhinged hatred toward him and his boss for eight fucking years are his new BFF's now that he's trashing other Repubs.

107 Christie just dissed her a week or so ago about her not giving enough interviews or something...
I think this was payback. 
Love her or hate her.. the woman doesnt take any crap. 

108 PUNCH DOWN!

109 I wish that some Palin fans would be a little more measured when defending her. No need to get personal and sound like the viscous left. Posted by: Serious Cat Point taken. Should have resisted that last shot. Everything else still stands though. People need to get over this Christie crush. The guy is a moderate Democrat (or a liberal Republican -- take your pick). I found his "I could win the White House" boast absurd and insulting. He could never win any Southern state and he'll be lucky to win re-election (which I sincerely hope he does because he's good for NJ. But that doesn't mean he's good for the country). And, btw, Palin didn't take the first shot. Christie did repeatedly and unwarranted. Apparently she doesn't believe in satyagraha when it comes to taking political shots.

110 He said she should have left the phrase "blood libel" out.

She probably should have.  Palin's™ response in the aftermath of the Tucson shooting was another example of her tendency to compound the crazy bullshit she gets from the left by creating unnecessary outrage and drama about herself.  The charges the left leveled against her over the Tucson shootings were so insane and laughable on their face that she should have treated them that way.  ("Gabby Giffords' shooting was my fault?  That's ridiculous.  I pray for the congresswoman's recovery but no reasonable person could assign any responsibility for it to anyone but the shooter himself.  Next question.")

Instead, she dignified the charges by responding to them in as outraged and dramatic a fashion as possible, with a ten-minute Facebook video which had as its cornerstone a thin-skinned, please-knock-this-chip-off-my-shoulder term that, not unpredictably, blew up in her face.  Blood Libel.  Ooooooooh.

The woman is embarrassing.  People who allow drama to swirl about them constantly, who are constantly sucking all the oxygen out of a room, as Palin™ has and does, tend to wear on people.  This, I think, is why public opinion of her has dropped steadily since her entrance on the national scene.  There's only so much of this shit that people have the energy to listen to, and when the Drama Queen in question is not speaking from a position of actual responsibility but only taking potshots from the sidelines in between reality-show gigs, people start questioning why they're listening to it at all.

111

Adding that she should have kept her remarks simple does not take away the other thing.  To me it's just equivalent to saying "I wouldn't have made those remarks."

He didn't need to add anything.  It just softened his point.  It implies she did do something incorrect.  It brings her actions into the same arena as the shooting.

112 I would like to see Christie finish what he started in jersey, because knowing jersey, the dude to replace him will probably be a fucking asshole, another Corzine, or Florio, or god forbid another Mcgreedy.  On the other hand I want to see obama paddle his silly ass back to indonesia, and I have to come down on the side of whats ultimately good for the country as a whole.

The ultimate is for Christie to stay in jersey, and then get a Reagan on steroids for the white house.

113

Instead, she dignified the charges by responding to them in as outraged and dramatic a fashion as possible, with a ten-minute Facebook video which had as its cornerstone a thin-skinned, please-knock-this-chip-off-my-shoulder term that, not unpredictably, blew up in her face.

That's my assessment.

114 Independents would not support her for a variety of reasons, lack of real experience is one.  Being mayor of Wasilla doesn't count

Posted by: gordo at March 05, 2011 05:50 PM (B6+pz)

She was governor 31 months - Christie has been for about 14 months.  So how is Christie uber-experienced?

115
Hey, WarUDStates, hate to bring it to this, but you're begging it. When was the last time you got laid?

116 it seems to me that Christie, last week on Bob Schieffer's CBS show, gave Mitch Daniels an unprompted fellating

What would an "unprompted fellating" involve?  Praise for a successful two-term GOP governor who, in terms of public policy, has actually done the things Sarah Palin™ only talks about?

117 115
Hey, WarUDStates, hate to bring it to this, but you're begging it. When was the last time you got laid?

Posted by: sartana at March 05, 2011 06:26 PM (7Xm5b)

Apparently, before the Jindal administration started.

118 I think Christie is fantastic for NJ and I love his videos.. he doesnt take any crap and that is refreshing from the right.
But the guy is a RINO...  good grief, gun control, for the GZ mosque.. illegal immigrants... 

119 monica crowley did a great job of playing christie's remarks and analyzing what he was actually saying.  I can't wait until she puts the podcast of that  segment up so you can hear her well reasoned analysis.

120 Unless someone has a Reagan-on-steroids floating in a cloning vat of amniotic fluid in a lab somewhere, Realityville will have to settle for voting for one of the schlubs we got in the mix.

When the bugle sounds, you gotta bet on the nags that line up to race.

121
What would an "unprompted fellating" involve?  Praise for a successful two-term GOP governor who, in terms of public policy, has actually done the things Sarah Palin™ only talks about?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 06:26 PM (FC1lo)

Exactly.  To me, actions speak louder than words and nobody has the record Daniels has.

122 So , CC has been attacking Palin for a long time , without her responding to it.

But i got to hand it too him , he's got bigger boobs than palin , and thats not just his supporters.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum

So, how big are they?  54B??  54C??

123 Instead, she dignified the charges by responding to them in as outraged and dramatic a fashion as possible, with a ten-minute Facebook video which had as its cornerstone a thin-skinned, please-knock-this-chip-off-my-shoulder term that, not unpredictably, blew up in her face.  Blood Libel.  Ooooooooh.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 06:23 PM (FC1lo)

Blood libel is the exact right term: an unfounded accusation against a group of innocent people that they caused the deaths of other innocents.  Even Ed Koch and Alan Dershowitz agreed that her use of the term was entirely appropriate.

124 He didn't need to add anything.

You're asserting that, but you don't know that.  It's your opinion.   

I think Christie made a political calculation that it would be politically beneficial for him to distance himself from comments that some people found controversial.  Given the nature of his constituents, I think that was a necessary thing.  He wouldn't have had to make that calculation if he were governor of Utah or if he were a television pundit.  He played politics.  Big shock. 

If Palin were a political asset, it might have gone another way.  But as ace and others have pointed out, she has not broadened her appeal.  She's narrowed it.  How I know that to be the case is that she's lost me.  She had me in 2008, but I'm gone now.  I would vote for her in the general, but I wouldn't feel good about it. 

125 Hi Morons & Moronettes! Haven't been around for a few days. I've had a lot going on for months and, two days ago, I found out that my blood pressure was in the stage 2 hypertension level; I called the EMTs and they were ready to transport me but I said no. However, I immediately put down the bacon, chips, salted peanuts and Value-Rite and have been eating nothing but fruit, vegetables, aspirin and drinking water (and, yes, coffee still) for the past two days. My pressure is back to normal and I feel better, but I see the doctor on Monday. I guess I'm letting you all know because I know that some of you are, like me, Morons for Jesus, and I believe in the power of prayer. So please pray for me. On-Topic (sort of): Christie probably could use a dietary change if he wants to make it to 2016.

126 Splitters!

127

Fox reporting PJ Crowley won't admit the two servicemen shot in Germany were victims of a "terrorist attack".  Unbelieveable.  Even the European press has identified it as terrorism by an Islamist.  This administration scares the shit outta me. 

128 It was a blood libel, and by bringing it out in the open it will make it harder for the Dems to keep doing it so easy.

That part I liked. It also exposed  some crazies.

129 Clearly Christie's camp believes Palin is most vulnerable to self destruction when she is unscripted. Given the MBM's treatment of her every word, I tend to agree. So its pure politics. The Big Man is prodding her. For her part, Palin looks around and sees Christie as a formidable challenger if he jumps in. He would consume much of the oxygen if he announces a run. So she is already throwing a few punches even though he is, for now, not even in the ring. I'm too cynical to believe either one of them is wedded to very many political positions at this point. Like all candidates who invest invest millions in the run, it becomes a business selling a product. Each will triangulate around the polling as the campaign develops. We only get as conservative a candidate as the polling shows a conservative can win. Fox, Drudge, folks like Ace, and the state legislative battles will define what conservative voters want this year and the candidates will follow. Game on!

130 That's kinda unfair from Palin...and I like her...but she made cuts in a pretty conservative state, while NJ is a completely different political environment and Christie has to play to deal with local voters.

Posted by: NC Ref at March 05, 2011 05:39 PM (/izg2)

I agree -- it was only a half-point to Palin.  NJ is not the same as AK, and even in states that are deep, deep underwater, a governor can still be cowardly enough to cave to the public employee unions: just ask Arnold "Girly-Man" Schwarzenegger.

But Palin's budget cuts in Alaska were both politically difficult and fiscally wise, given how the fluctuation of oil and gas prices can hit the Alaskan state revenues in bad years.

131 "Haven't been around for a few days. I've had a lot going on for months and, two days ago, I found out that my blood pressure was in the stage 2 hypertension level; I called the EMTs and they were ready to transport me but I said no. However, I immediately put down the bacon, chips, salted peanuts and Value-Rite and have been eating nothing but fruit, vegetables, aspirin and drinking water (and, yes, coffee still) for the past two days. My pressure is back to normal and I feel better, but I see the doctor on Monday."

I will certainly pray for you.  On the positive health front, take up walking every day, if you don't already.  It dropped my blood pressure 30/15 in a short time, no meds.

132  I think Christie is fantastic for NJ and I love his videos.. he doesnt take any crap and that is refreshing from the right.
But the guy is a RINO...  good grief, gun control, for the GZ mosque.. illegal immigrants... 

Posted by: Timbo at March 05, 2011 06:27 PM (ph9vn)

 

Yup.  He's a tough fiscal conservative.  But all his other political beliefs are mockable.  He doesn't seem to realize that many of the RINO/liberal ideas he holds have caused, directly or indirectly, the fiscal situation he's facing now.

133 I guess I'm letting you all know because I know that some of you are, like me, Morons for Jesus, and I believe in the power of prayer. So please pray for me.

I will, baldilocks.

So sorry to hear about your bp.  I am pretty good at sifting through the medical/physiological lingo and finding good recipes and menu plans if you need any tips. 


I could get 120-160 lbs off of Christie in a year with a new diet and moderate exercise.  Call me, Big Guy. 

134 b-locks, glad you're better. A little advice: a good diet is eating as if you *already* have diabetes. That goes for everyone. It's hard to do; but it's a good guide.

135 Posted by: baldilocks at March 05, 2011 06:30 PM (T2/zQ)

I just got back from Mass so I added you as an addendum to the list I prayed for at Mass and I'll put you in for your own rosary!  Stay well.

136 speaking of the the two Air Force terror victims... I thought the Republicans were the party that supported the military? Where's the outrage?

137 I could get 120-160 lbs off of Christie in a year with a new diet and moderate exercise.  Call me, Big Guy. 

Posted by: Y-not at March 05, 2011 06:34 PM (pW2o

Are you a  trainer?  I am starting March 9th on a personal mission to lose 50 pounds...  

Love some input...   Like is diet coke really that awful?  Does it make a person gain weight?

138 Palin "narrowed" her appeal by being the MFM's favorite punching bag. When the left goes after you 24/7 you start to look unrecognizable. Some of you folks should go read -- actually read -- what they said about Reagan in '76 and '80. It'll sound familiar -- right-wing, stupid, fringe, narrow base of support, extremist, out of the mainstream, uninformed, scripted, etc. etc. But, hey, let the games begin.

139 "A little advice: a good diet is eating as if you *already* have diabetes."

Absolutely.  Lean meats (or veggie protein), lots of fruits and veggies, fewer carbs than the pyramid suggests, NO FREAKING SUGAR, and lots of water.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to my peanut brittle.

140

Yup.  He's a tough fiscal conservative.  But all his other political beliefs are mockable.  He doesn't seem to realize that many of the RINO/liberal ideas he holds have caused, directly or indirectly, the fiscal situation he's facing now.

Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2011 06:34 PM (h2D1x)

I don't think he would win the primary...  Midwest and south dont like those east coast gun control folks too well.

141 Posted by: baldilocks at March 05, 2011 06:30 PM (T2/zQ)

You can count ion my prayers, baldilocks. In addition to the salty stuff, don't eat real black licorice, either. Learned that the hard way with my mama.

142 136:

Too busy with the cannibalism.

143 Blood libel is the exact right term: an unfounded accusation against a group of innocent people that they caused the deaths of other innocents.

Maybe it is.  Politically, it was foolish.  When completely irrelevant idiots are taking potshots at you, you treat them like completely irrelevant idiots and ignore them.

All the more so when the charges they're leveling at you are completely insane.

But Palin™ has time and again demonstrated a thin-skinnedness that will not allow her to simply leave the foolish to stew in their own juices; she must respond to them all, and do so in ways that make it very difficult to defend her.  The ten-minute Facebook video, which dignified the insane charges and handed the left another bat to hit her with, is one of the best recent examples of this.

Just a few weeks she felt compelled to get into a piss-fest with Rick Santorum, for cryin' out loud, a guy who was over and done with five years ago.  All she accomplished with that was to make herself look a little bit smaller.  For all that we hear about how Palin™ is a "fighter", a successful political fighter does not do the things she does.

144 Some of you folks should go read -- actually read -- what they said about Reagan in '76 and '80. It'll sound familiar -- right-wing, stupid, fringe, narrow base of support, extremist, out of the mainstream, uninformed, scripted, etc. etc.

But, hey, let the games begin.

Posted by: whatevs at March 05, 2011 06:38 PM (37+xK)

 

Not to mention the constant lampooning about his age. 

145 Are you a  trainer?  I am starting March 9th on a personal mission to lose 50 pounds... 

Nah!  I'm just the loving wife of a middle aged man! 

Hubby had to get his blood sugar (and lipids) to normal ranges a little over a year ago.  He dropped 40+ lbs (and got his blood work back to normal) in 3 mos with 45 min treadmill (fast incline walking, roughly 5x/week) and a diet based on the nutritional guidelines at the Mayo Clinic's website. 

146 I will certainly pray for you. On the positive health front, take up walking every day, if you don't already. It dropped my blood pressure 30/15 in a short time, no meds. Posted by: not the droid you seek at March 05, 2011 06:33 PM (h35AH) Thank you! And I will do that. Used to before, but you know how that goes sometimes.

147

The gun laws in jersey are already fucked up. The best thing the repubs in jersey can do is hold the line, and thats why christie has the status quo attitude. He will most likely never ask for more gun laws, but he won't try to reverse any. As fucked up as jersey gun laws are, we don't have registration of rifles, and we don't pay any fees every year to keep any guns. yeah the rest of the gun laws suck, but I have seen way worse in other states.

Jersey city has a shitload of muslims, I think his moderate tone towards the muslim thing is for public consumption so he don't completely alienate certain voting blocks, but I bet behind close doors he isn't so moderate.

My gut says as president Christie wouldn't pursue half the shit we fear about him, because his world is basically jersey centered, and he knows that what works here shouldn't be forced on states 1000 miles from here. Personally, I hate leaders that come from a "law and order" background, it seems there is always a price that comes with that.

148 Some of you folks should go read -- actually read -- what they said about Reagan in '76 and '80.

I lived through Reagan. 

I see no sign that Palin has drawn in Democrats or Independents.  And, it seems as though she's lost some Republicans. 

149 chris christie - fat and stupid

150
Nah!  I'm just the loving wife of a middle aged man! 

Hubby had to get his blood sugar (and lipids) to normal ranges a little over a year ago.  He dropped 40+ lbs (and got his blood work back to normal) in 3 mos with 45 min treadmill (fast incline walking, roughly 5x/week) and a diet based on the nutritional guidelines at the Mayo Clinic's website. 

Posted by: Y-not at March 05, 2011 06:42 PM (pW2o

Damn.. good for him.

Well I will report back this summer with my progress. 

151

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 06:41 PM (FC1lo)

 

Hey, War!  You hate Palin.  We get it.  But from so many of your posts, you seem to hate everyone.

152

"143 Blood libel is the exact right term: an unfounded accusation against a group of innocent people that they caused the deaths of other innocents.

Maybe it is.  Politically, it was foolish.  When completely irrelevant idiots are taking potshots at you, you treat them like completely irrelevant idiots and ignore them."

The whole fucking media was gunning for Palin and the tea party, Blood libel was the most appropriate term in her defence there was.She was the only politician who stood up for free speech and told everyone that this was about silencing the right.

Christe and the GOP stooges hoped she and the tea party would take damage from it , they really are a bunch of asholes.

It wasn't a "potshot" .

153 These two say they aren't running, but they're acting like they are. Which leads me to my next point, that the idea of essentially starting primary season after the congressional election has led to dilution of the message. These two would better serve the cause of fiscal discipline if they stopped snarling at each other and instead helped raise awareness about our fiscal state.

154 >>>What would an "unprompted fellating" involve? >>> Praise for a successful two-term GOP governor >>> who, in terms of public policy, has actually >>>done the things Sarah Palin™ only talks about? Other than hold the title of Governor for eight years and allow himself to get pushed around by Rove when he was Bush's OMB director, what has Daniels done that Palin hasn't? Surely, you can't be talking about balancing a budget because Palin did that three times. Look, my point isn't to trash Daniels or Christie. I actually like both of them. But this TOTAL FICTION that Palin doesn't have any hard, serious governing experience or hasn't done any of the things she's talking about is really an entirely fraudulent notion. I don't like GOPers trading in falsehoods about Palin (or any other committed conservative) anymore than I like liberals doing it.

155

Yup.  He's a tough fiscal conservative.  But all his other political beliefs are mockable.  He doesn't seem to realize that many of the RINO/liberal ideas he holds have caused, directly or indirectly, the fiscal situation he's facing now.

Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2011 06:34 PM (h2D1x)

Social liberalism always comes with a pricetag.

156

I find it amusing that when Christie took cheap shots at Palin, nobody thought that was a problem.   Nobody said he should quit taking shots at fellow Republicans.   All kinds of excuses why it's okay to do that to Palin, but don't dare Palin say anything about Christie.

What's the matter?   Chritie's a big, tough guy.  He can handle himself.   Maybe he'll roll his eyes, again, and go on MSLSD or the Sunday morning shows so he can take shots at her, again.

I mean, the asshole took her to a baseball game, then shortly after takes cheap shots at her.   Maybe it says more about his character than anything else.

 

157

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 05, 2011 06:47 PM (q8u+l)

 

Gird your loins, Miss'80s.  The republican primary is going to be ugly.  It will have to be. 

158 Posted by: baldilocks at March 05, 2011 06:30 PM (T2/zQ)

We'll pray for you here. You should get a BP monitor and start checking it daily and log the readings.

Also, salt is not necessarily a bad thing for BP unless you are one of the small percentage of people who are "salt sensitive".

It is very hard to give up salt entirely. I did an experiment after my heart attack in which I took hourly BP readings while gorging on salty potato chips all day.

It did not effect my BP at all.

The thing that effects BP most of (besides heredity and age which you can do nothing about) is weight and exercise. 

159 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 06:41 PM (FC1lo)

Nice of you come on here and regurgitate MFM and leftard talking points nearly verbatim. Remember how the MFM blamed the shooting directly on her and demanded she say something for a fucking week, and then lambasted her for "inserting herself" into the situation? Yeah, you're saying the same thing. Keep fuckin' that chicken, jackwagon.

160 I really want to hope that this is a well crafted dance, similar to what the dems did to pull off a BO win.  But, by this time, they had facebook and twitter and the buzz and a growing huge email list.  When Bush was running my friend's mom was a part of some kind of email campaign that Karl set up, but who knows where that even is or even went (probably will emerge with the Jeb Bush campaign, if his appearance in Miami didn't damage him)

161 Regarding the Reagan thing, just remember that George HW Bush called Reagan's plan "voodoo economics".

162 Timbo,

As for the diet soda thing.  I've read some of the research articles on that (as well as some of the things at the Am Diabetes Assoc and Mayo Clinic) and I don't think it's really demonstrated that they are harmful per se.  But I do think that going more with water (or club soda with a little cranberry juice, if your bp is ok) is a better strategy.  I tended to go for no sugar added versus artificial sweeteners. 

The things that seemed to matter most for him (us, actually, as I also lost about 30 lbs) were:
reducing calories
increasing activity
eating 5 small meals (3 meals and 2 snacks)
reducing processed carbs and (non-fruit) sugars
increasing fiber

I found the Mayo Clinic's recommendations very helpful.  The only thing I concluded we could not keep to were the salt guidelines, which I find impossible to do even with a minimum of processed foods and no added salt.   www.mayoclinic.com / health / healthy-diet / NU00200

We tracked everything on one of those calorie counter/food diary websites.

163
I think Christie made a political calculation that it would be politically beneficial for him to distance himself from comments that some people found controversial.

If Palin were a political asset, it might have gone another way.  - Y-not

You've got Christie down pat. And others on the Right in the way they stayed mum while Palin and the Tea Party were being savaged by the Left. Which is why I will never cast a vote for Christie and will never forgive the others did nothing. A situation like that was not the time to play politics.

It was pure, unmitigated Evil the way the Left used Tucson against us. If you can't take strong, principled stand against that, then you're worthless- not to mention, complicit in the crime. Christie, and others who had a chance to do so, should have defended Palin without qualification.

The fact is many on the Right want Palin out of the picture and they're willing to sit back and let the Left do their work for them, or even ally with them to do it. I'm definitely taking names. These are the same people, who if given the opportunity, will ally with the Left to stick it to us. And it's not like we don't have many examples of that.

164 161.  Thank you very much!

Diet coke is like crack to me.  Seriously...

165 >>Some of you folks should go read -- actually read -- what they said about Reagan in '76 and '80. It'll sound familiar -- right-wing, stupid, fringe, narrow base of support, extremist, out of the mainstream, uninformed, scripted, etc. etc. Some of us are old enough that we don't have to read about it, just remember. But there is a significant difference to the path Reagan took and the one Palin is taking. Reagan spent years giving speeches, writing policy papers, actually debating with people and built a wide base of support. Palin continues to preach to the choir which her adoring fans love but she is not bringing many new ones into the fold. Sooner or later, and it better be sooner, she needs to stop the facebook, twitter, Fox News campaign and start playing the game. She may not like it but that's the way the system works even for Sarah Palin.

166 I really don't think christie will run, he has a pretty sweet deal right now. The governors mansion is on a pretty scenic piece of land off the beaten track in a nicer open section of jersey, almost a plantation type setting. I don't think he'll give that up so he can move to a shittier neighborhood  farther from the ocean. lol

167 I think everybody sucks and we're all going to get boned because we'd rather have a grenade party than actually do any work.

The theory is that vigorous competition will net the best candidate. For some reason the practice is that bitter recriminations net idiots who stay home, split the vote after the primary is over, or just make so much negative noise that the squishes run to the other side.

We literally can't afford another loss, as in we'll go broke.

168 Palin gave two interviews that same day, Fox Business and O'Reilly. The bulk of both was taking on Obama (and O'Reilly). Pounded them good.

169 Sooner or later, and it better be sooner, she needs to stop the facebook, twitter, Fox News campaign and start playing the game. She may not like it but that's the way the system works even for Sarah Palin.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 05, 2011 06:55 PM (TMB3S)

Wow, spoken like a good dem/lib which I'm assuming your aren't.

So it's ok for BO to triumph via facebook and twitter and "charasmatic speeches in arenas where they likened him to the messiah" but not ok for sarah?   Why, cause she a woman or cause she's a republican?

170 sartana,

If Christie played everything as far right as you apparently want, he'd never get re-elected and never get his agenda pushed through with a blue legislature. 

He is more valuable to the conservative movement in power and wielding power.  If that means he can't defend Palin or Rush or whoever is the favored conservative pundit of the moment, I am fine with that.  His job is to govern NJ, not defend every conservative that ever drew breath. 

171 Everyone: I knew I could count on you. Y-not, send me you email address. (Go to my site). Two things: it's amazing what impending death can do to your focus and it's amazing how good Trader Joe's frozen Harvest veggies tastes without butter or salt.

172 Agreed. She has to suit up and get dirty, throw support behind someone else, fade away, or she becomes background noise. Shit or git.

173 I see no sign that Palin has drawn in Democrats or Independents.  And, it seems as though she's lost some Republicans.

Indeed.

Reagan's political success was attributable to his ability to bring together large and disparate factions of the American people in a way that few other politicians have ever been able to do before or since.  The "Reagan Democrat" was a genuine phenomenon and is still talked about to this day by any serious GOP politician and tactician who mulls about how to put such a winning coalition back together again.

Reagan believed in the "big tent".  It was necessary, he understood, to create as broad-based a platform of support as possible; not only to win office, but to have as large a mandate as possible to advance your ideas once you're in office.

Today, the concept of the "big tent" is derided as a sure sign of toxic RINOism and Reagan himself would probably not be tolerated by the Purity faction here and elsewhere.  The advancement of Sarah Palin is the order of the day for True Conservatism, and instead of doing so by bringing aboard the kind of people who gave Reagan 49 states, her supporters seems to have decided a frontal assault that splits the base of her own party and alienates everyone else imaginable is what is called for.

Reagan ran on a message of "join me in what I'm trying to do"; Palin seems to operate on the principle of "screw you if you don't like what I spend my time only talking about".

As somebody else pointed out on one of these threads a few days ago, how many "Palin™ Democrats" are we likely to see created going into 2012?

174 In all honesty, what's wrong with Facebook?  It's a good way to publish essays, like a high tech Fireside Chat.  I think everybody should do it.  There's no lag time like there is in writing a book, and you can get your points out in a coherent manner with all the time you need to write them.

175

Why, cause she a woman or cause she's a republican?

I think it's because she's not a lawyer.

Seriously.  If she'd gone to law school, you wouldn't hear one word about her seriousness or her record or anything else.

176

Politicians making political criticisms and judgments? When will the horror end?

Douchemonkeys waiting for the perfect (defined as agreeing with whichever commenter is loudest that day) candidate are useless.

Keep bitching because your dream date didn't show up and you'll miss the entire prom.

177 You get 'em, sartana!

178 Palin's Attack on Christie Cut Him and will deflated the Great White RINO. I love that she fights back against this Ruling Class Gun Grabber that the Eastern Elite tell us to love. I am a New Yorker and a Conservative and I don't go for Chrisite or Daniels. Palin is the only one that can beat Obama. The Democrat Party Media Complex is in the 29th Month of Operation Destroy Sarah Palin and Her Family. None of those other Republicans could survive 29 Days of Attacks. She did wonderful yesterday going after Christie, O'Reilly, and Obama. I really hope she runs because she is that good. To hell with the Beltway Class and their pushing of WIMPY Men like Romney, Daniels, Christie, Huntsman Jr., Barbour, and to some extent Pawlenty. Those Guys suck. I really hope it is Palin/Ryan 2012 or Palin/West 2012.

179 Posted by: curious at March 05, 2011 06:58 PM (k1rwm)

I'm a Palinista and I don't think Jackstraw really said anything untrue or unfair. Neither did Ace. I know she's going to have to do that sooner or later and I'm sure she knows that too.

180  
"My gut says as president Christie wouldn't pursue half the shit we fear about him..."

Gut-check time. To assert that a politician's record is not really a gauge as to how they will govern is just wishful thinking. If you want Christie then push Christie, but don't fool yourself.

Jersey City has a shit-load of muslims? Well, the state of Jersey has a "shitload" of Christians and his pandering to one over the loud protests of the other should tell you his priorities and what's in store for the future. His despicable response the GZ Mosque issue and his nomination of Sohail Mohammed should be enough to show what Christie's about.

181 "Not running and also not offering some uplift for the actual candidates makes him sound like a spoilsport douche"

Now who does that remind me of.... Ace.

182 I'm a huge Palin fan, but she keeps breaking the 11th Commandment.

183 baldilocks, I don't cook with any salt at all.  And I cook a lot and my friends tell me I'm a great cook and barter for my food.  None of them know there is no salt in the food.  And they don't add salt when they eat it. 

I make steamed broccoli and I drizzle a little olive oil and fresh lemon on it and everybody loves it and it's so easy and so good for you.  I make spinach with garlic and olive oil.  People who hate spinach have eaten my spinach and then said "wow you did a lot with that green stuff, what was it?  and then they are shocked that they just loved spinach.  One of my friends always says "you can always open a restaurant if you lose your job and I just laugh cause all it is is fresh ingredients and love.

184 181 "Not running and also not offering some uplift for the actual candidates makes him sound like a spoilsport douche"

Now who does that remind me of.... Ace.

And Ace's  a ....gasp.... lawyer, too.

185 Diet coke is like crack to me.  Seriously...

Posted by: Timbo at March 05, 2011 06:55 PM (ph9vn)

You're gonna love Coke Obama.

186 170..  I agree.. he is what NJ will elect.  He goes far right.. he is a one term Governor..
No conservative is ever going to be elected there.
Same with Scott Brown...  Its a miracle a republican was even elected.
A Rino is all we can ever expect in the North East.

187 157 Gird your loins, Miss'80s.  The republican primary is going to be ugly.  It will have to be.

They always are ugly and this will likely have to be the ugliest we've seen in generations. But this absolute childishness* from two people who know better --while America is in dire straits no less-- fails to amuse. What makes it even worse is that they won't commit to running. They need to get serious and stop acting like divas OR leave the arena.  

_{*Christie and Palin aren't even sniping about policy}.

188 And Ace's  a ....gasp.... lawyer, too.

Posted by: moron at March 05, 2011 07:05 PM (nEa/y)

Slicin' like a freakin' hammer.

189

You're gonna love Coke Obama.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 05, 2011 07:06 PM (McG46)

Ha.

190
Oh, don't give me this crap about two people! It doesn't make your opinion more credible. CC has taken cheap shots at Palin. Palin is just setting the record straight. 

191 Posted by: TheTotalConservative at March 05, 2011 07:02 PM (vq+hB) Jesus Christ, would you fucking go away? It's bad enough I have to hear your stupid shit on C4P, and I was hoping it would remain confined to there. To my fellow M&M's, TTC is a total jackwagon. He is NOT representative of Palin supporters. He's reviled on C4P because of his obnoxios thread-spamming and general stupidity.

192 Republican primary will be ugly.
I just hope they remember who the real enemy is .

193  You know  how they say women are the weak link in conservatism? They're right.

194

CC has taken cheap shots at Palin. Palin is just setting the record straight. 

She has to be above it all.  This is the kind of thing that can be easily ignored, unlike the Tucson smears.

195 No, I don't men Palin. I was referring to the whiny women on this blog.

196 If she'd gone to law school, you wouldn't hear one word about her seriousness or her record or anything else.

In 2008, I fought vigorously against the notion that Palin's academic background meant that she was unserious.  You and I both know first-hand that many fine students transfer, sometimes more than once, and that what matters most is what you do with your education, not where you got it. 

I thought she was adequately prepared to be vice president to a very seasoned president.  I thought she would learn on the job. 

But here's the thing.  She's not prepared to be POTUS.  Nothing she's done since 2008 resembles what would have transpired if she were in office - either as VP or Governor - for those two years (or somewhat less in the case of the latter).  It's been useful political work and certainly helpful to several conservative candidates, but it isn't in my estimation preparation for the presidency. 

So her experience is being mayor of a town smaller than most universities, being the lay-person appointee on a three-person energy commission, and being governor for two'ish years.  The latter ended badly -- whatever the reasons, she was not able to complete what she started. 

Lawyer or doctor (Ron Paul!) or whatever her educational training, that's just not enough experience for me. 

Yeah, I'd probably (99% certainty, leaving room for some disqualifying act) vote for her in the general.  But I can't anticipate voting for her in the primaries. 

197 She has to be above it all.

She doesn't have to do anything.  He's lucky she isn't grabbing him by his nuts and twisting.

198 Posted by: moron at March 05, 2011 07:05 PM (nEa/y)

Ace is trained as a lawyer, but I don't think he works as one. I really don't know what he does other than blog. I read somewhere that he works as an architect, but that's probably a George Costanza/ Art Vandalay thing.

199 If that means he can't defend Palin or Rush or whoever is the favored conservative pundit of the moment, I am fine with that.  His job is to govern NJ, not defend every conservative that ever drew breath. 

Posted by: Y-not at March 05, 2011 06:58 PM (pW2o

Defending them and taking pot shots are two totally different things.   You don't go on late night lefty shows and make snide remarks and roll your eyes.  If he's such a great fucking politician, he could have deflected any negativity, and still said nothing.

He made several comments about Palin before she ever opened her mouth about him, and in fact, even complimented him after a couple of his comments.   Sometimes you have to stand up to the bully.

200 No, I don't meAn Palin....

201  
That's BS, Y-not. And you know it. If Christie wanted to keep a low profile and govern Jersey and not be distracted by other issues, then that's fine.

But it is he who puts himself on the national stage. If he had merely stayed silent on the Tucson matter, that would have been mere cowardice. The fact that he used the issue to make an attack on Palin is just despicable. Of course he's a coward, because when he attacks, he always does it in a way that leaves himself some plausible deniability, but it's obvious what he's up to.

Christie's a man of very low character. Trust in him and he'll fuck you. Just don't scream when that it hurts because you asked for it.

202 190 Oh, don't give me this crap about two people! It doesn't make your opinion more credible. CC has taken cheap shots at Palin. Palin is just setting the record straight.

They're both being snide and playing the "I'm better!" game that's best relegated to 4yos playing in sandboxes. Neither of them are even being clever about it, either. As for Palin, I'm a fan of hers but I'm frankly getting tired with the "sitting on the sideline while sniping at fellow Republicans" routine. Is a pundit, is she there to help, or is she going to run? Take a position and stick with it. She's far more effective when she's going after Obama and his commie ilk.

203 2 things:

1. I really don't think christie will run, he has a pretty sweet deal right now. The governors mansion is on a pretty scenic piece of land off the beaten track in a nicer open section of jersey, almost a plantation type setting. I don't think he'll give that up so he can move to a shittier neighborhood  farther from the ocean. lol

Posted by: Berserker at March 05, 2011 06:56 PM (gWHrG)

Christie has not moved into the Governor's mansion

2. The establishment GOP has had it in for Palin ever since she hit the old boys club in Alaska.

Actually, three things. For all of the bitching about Palin fans, there is twice as many people chanting the MFM talking points even when she doesn't open her mouth.

Personally, I hope Bob McDonnell runs.

204 198 Posted by: moron at March 05, 2011 07:05 PM (nEa/y)

Ace is trained as a lawyer, but I don't think he works as one. I really don't know what he does other than blog. I read somewhere that he works as an architect, but that's probably a George Costanza/ Art Vandalay thing.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 05, 2011 07:13 PM (17pGL)

Oh dear God, you're not saying ace is Karl Rove are you?  Cause I have taken Karl Rove apart in little pieces so many times on here if Ace was him I'd be totally mortified.

205 Miss'80sBaby:  PUT DOWN THE CRACKPIPE!

206 "So her experience is being mayor of a town smaller than most universities, being the lay-person appointee on a three-person energy commission, and being governor for two'ish years. The latter ended badly -- whatever the reasons, she was not able to complete what she started. " so says another credentialed moron

207 ""Jersey City has a shit-load of muslims? Well, the state of Jersey has a "shitload" of Christians and his pandering to one over the loud protests of the other should tell you his priorities and what's in store for the future. His despicable response the GZ Mosque issue and his nomination of Sohail Mohammed should be enough to show what Christie's about.


Yeah its part of that whole law and order thing I was talking about. He deals with whats on the books. If there is no law saying it can't be built, thats what he goes with, because the law says so. I don't think he would be a good war time president for exactly that reason. I don't want a president looking at terrorists through a former prosecutor's eyes, I want George fucking Patton eyes on the terrorists.

208

>> Not running and also not offering some uplift for the actual candidates makes him sound like a spoilsport douche

That is exactly what he is doing and is why what she said is germane; she had to rebut the premise of the question (which, according to AoS is fantastic when done by Rumsfeld, but a non sequitur when done by Palin??).

209 I don't want a president looking at terrorists through a former prosecutor's eyes, I want George fucking Patton eyes on the terrorists.

I wouldn't mind a John Yoo....

210

Lawyer or doctor (Ron Paul!) or whatever her educational training, that's just not enough experience for me. 

But it is as far as lawyers are concerned, which is amazing considering how easy law school is.

And there are lots of people who are not running for president at the moment who don't come in for attacks like she gets.  It's like another non-lawyer politician, Tom DeLay.  He goes to jail for a noncrime.  If you read what the judge said to him, you'll realize he would never have said that to a fellow lawyer -- Democrat or Republican.

211 Hang on. Let me check to see if I care if Ace has legal training....
Nope. Turns out that I don't give a big ol' flying damn.

212 205 Miss'80sBaby:  PUT DOWN THE CRACKPIPE!

Miss'80sBaby is one of the most knowledgeable, cool-headed, and reasonable people here, particularly with regards to politics and the mechanics of -- wait for it -- doing things and not just talking about them.

213 205 All I said is that they are both acting childish and unserious-- and I say that as a fan of both. If you want to keep sniping at me using ad hominems, then that's your issue.

214 Posted by: curious at March 05, 2011 07:16 PM (k1rwm)

LOL, I meant the real kind of architect that designs buildings 'n' shit.

It's possible that blogging is his primary source of income. Along with selling hobo meat on the black market, and pimping Thai tranny midget hookers.

215 If Palin won the nomination could she win?   I really dont know.

Bothers me that she couldn't win the must need states...
I am voting for anyone not Obama but.. there are lots of people who have already made up their minds on her.... and we need a huge turnout to win.

216 All I said is that they are both acting childish and unserious-- and I say that as a fan of both. If you want to keep sniping at me using ad hominems, then that's your issue.

Why not?  You and your doppelganger do it to Palin.  Claiming that you're a fan doesn't make your silly criticism of Palin credible.  Now, toke away !

217
Berserker, he didn't merely take the position that the Mosque couldn't be stopped legally.

He equated the Islamists behind the project with those opposing it. He put anti-Western, Sharia-spreading Islamists and American patriots on the same plane, and said they both need to chill out. He accused public figures on the Right who joined the protests of insincerity- of merely seeking to capitalize politically on the issue.  Pure treachery. There was nothing "law and order" about his respone. It was pure amoral, craven self-interest. The guy is a backstabbing elitist who will sell you out at first chance.

Just look how comfortable he is on the set of Morning Joe. Any one of us would feel completely out of place on the set with that gang of vapid  airheads- we would most likely clam up or be totally belligerent. But not Christie. He's among his own with that crowd and it shows.

218 Reagan spent years giving speeches, writing policy papers, actually debating with people and built a wide base of support. Palin continues to preach to the choir which her adoring fans love but she is not bringing many new ones into the fold.

He also spent eight years as governor.  I supported and still support Palin. The Republican leadership and insiders were arguably not just as but more dismissive and fearful of Reagan than Palin.  However, as far as her making the next leap to the Presidency, she really hindered herself by leaving after only two years.

The Dems launched a hit-job on her like nothing else in modern politics, but for her to make a run for the Presidency, she really had to stay in office and hit back.  This is also why you can hardly fault her for comments after Giffords or hitting back other times--1.) The comments weren't out-of-line, 2.) The problem she ran up against, in the first place, is that Republican leadership and the McCain camp didn't hit back enough in her defense when she first burst onto the national scene.  There was nothing wrong with what she said then and with her continuing to defend herself, but the leaving the governorship is going to be problem.  Not only would staying in office have allowed her to show she had more experience, it would have given her more control in defining herself through actions as opposed to trying to counter the words of Democrats with just words.

In 2008, I fought vigorously against the notion that Palin's academic background meant that she was unserious.  You and I both know first-hand that many fine students transfer, sometimes more than once, and that what matters most is what you do with your education, not where you got it. 

Forget transferring and toss in Biden "almost getting kicked out of law school for plagiarism."  That's the ridiculous thing--Palin got smeared as someone who's academically challenged, but nobody, including on our side, brought up the fact that Biden went to a school that sits at the exact same level as Palin's and, oh yeah, committed academic fraud and almost got kicked out because of it.  It was right there on a silver platter, but we didn't hit back.

219 I'm voting for a serious candidate who is not afraid of going after Obama while simultaneously offering some solutions of their own. Unfortunately, few of the candidates out there have proven they can do both and I'd like to wait for the actual primary before I back anybody.

220

Any one of us would feel completely out of place on the set with that gang of vapid  airheads- we would most likely clam up or be totally belligerent. But not Christie.

I'm sure it's just like being in the state capitol for him.

221

Thanks for the gossip which helps a intra-party feud going, ace person

This helps--really.  Keep it up, and thanks.   Really.

 

222 *yawn*

223 Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 05, 2011 07:32 PM (UqKQV)

It isn't really gossip, though. Christie poked at Palin and Palin poked back. Not a huge deal, but you know anything involving Christie vs. Palin is going to be a story on AoS. I'm kinda surprised Ace didn't write about it sooner, to be honest.

224
"I'm kinda surprised Ace didn't write about it sooner..."

"Ahead of the curve" is definitely not a phrase I would use to describe this blog.

225

 by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 05, 2011 07:38 PM (17pGL)

it's bullshit, and you know it.  It damages all the wrong people--to the satisfaction and enjoyment of Legions of Assholes. 

What's next?  Dredge up COD?

226 "There was nothing wrong with what she said then and with her continuing to defend herself, but the leaving the governorship is going to be problem. " because baracky quitting the senate after 2 years cost him alot.

227 219 I'm voting for a serious candidate who is not afraid of going after Obama while simultaneously offering some solutions of their own. Unfortunately, few of the candidates out there have proven they can do both and I'd like to wait for the actual primary before I back anybody.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 05, 2011 07:29 PM (q8u+l)

The problem is, while mcshame was campaigning against him he was hearing good stuff from him and simultaneously adopting it as his own and acting like mcshame thought about it after he did.  He was a master at that.  After a while people began to say do I want the young guy or the old dude and it came down to who they thought would best get them out of war and keep them out, since he was a vet and said he'd stay a hundred years, mcshame lost.

So, if palin or christie or anyone comes out with great solutions to the nations problems BO will try to implement them immediately and the person who brought it up to mr "I'll take ideas from anyone" won't get the credit.  More and more I realize he has a second term and probably a third like bloomie if he can convince them all to allow more than two terms and repeal that law using the fact that there aren't term limits for them and it isn't fair.  They're so stupid they'd fall for it and they might be BO and MO and val, presidents for life.

228 More and more I realize he has a second term and probably a third like bloomie if he can convince them all to allow more than two terms and repeal that law using the fact that there aren't term limits for them and it isn't fair.

It's not a law, it's the 22nd Amendment.  The chances of that being repealed are almost zero.

229 It's not a law, it's the 22nd Amendment.  The chances of that being repealed are almost zero.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 07:48 PM (FC1lo)

Hmm the libs are talking about it like it's just a plain old law.  Interesting.  Well why didn't they think of term limits for the congress and the senate?  Cause to them those were part time positions right?  Who knew we'd end up with a political ruling class.

230 "There was nothing wrong with what she said then and with her continuing to defend herself, but the leaving the governorship is going to be problem. " because baracky quitting the senate after 2 years cost him alot.

Posted by: newrouter at March 05, 2011 07:44 PM (nfC5u)

The best part is everyone begging Christie to run when he hasn't even served as long as Palin did.   But, there aren't any double standards, at all.

231 Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 05, 2011 07:43 PM (UqKQV)

So you're arguing that he should punch down? Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Seriously, though, everybody else is writing about it, why shouldn't Ace? Anything that's Palin vs. Christie is a huge traffic magnet and he's got to compete with all the other outlets.

232 because baracky quitting the senate after 2 years cost him alot.

Posted by: newrouter at March 05, 2011 07:44 PM (nfC5u)

Barack was there four years.  In a fair world he and Republicans would still be held to the same standard.  Unfortunately, it wasn't a fair world in '08.  In any case, since I thought the guy was unqualified with four, it makes it hard now to argue that Palin is qualified with two.  It makes it harder when you're not dealing with me, who likes her, but dealing with a lot of the public who now view her with preconceived notions.

233 Palin's a vindictive substance less bitch

234 Posted by: Cain's Pizzeria at March 05, 2011 07:54 PM (MUMm3)

Fuck off douchebag.

235

I think it's because she's not a lawyer.

Seriously.  If she'd gone to law school, you wouldn't hear one word about her seriousness or her record or anything else.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2011 07:01 PM (BvBKY)

It has nothing to do with law school.  It has to do with the need of those on the Left (and some on the Right) to make sure she's seen as unserious and her record shallow... because she represents a challenge to the Left's argument that all serious women are Leftists and to those on the Right that depend on the old school credentialism (and who resent that Palin blew that up by taking on the Republican establishment in Alaska).

If she was a lawyer who'd served two full terms as Alaska's governor and then been a Cabinet secretary in a Republican Administration, the same people would be talking about her thin resume and her unseriousness.  Because they have a vested interest in her not screwing up their gigs as Lefties or establishment Republicans.  Do you think that ANYTHING would have made Palin palatable to David Brooks and David Frum and Peggy Noonan, other than Palin "seeing the light" and becoming a Murkowski/Hutchison/Snowe/Collins clone?

236 Hmm the libs are talking about it like it's just a plain old law.  Interesting.

They probably think it is.  Libs are uninformed idiots.

Well why didn't they think of term limits for the congress and the senate?

Because constitutional amendments originate in Congress, and they sure as hell aren't going to term-limit themselves. 

But also, because there was no tradition of senators and congressmen term-limiting themselves as there had been with the president.  Ever since Washington voluntarily stepped down in 1796, the presidency had been understood, by tradition if not by law, to be a two-term deal and it was taboo for a president to consider serving longer.  President-for-Life Franklin Roosevelt, who did not respect the tradition any more than he did many of the other basic precepts of this country, smashed right through it; like many dictators, the only way he was willing to leave the White House was feet-first, and so after his death in office the 22nd Amendment was passed in order to prevent another FDR from ever happening in America again.

237 Barack was there four years.  In a fair world he and Republicans would still be held to the same standard.  Unfortunately, it wasn't a fair world in '08.  In any case, since I thought the guy was unqualified with four, it makes it hard now to argue that Palin is qualified with two.  It makes it harder when you're not dealing with me, who likes her, but dealing with a lot of the public who now view her with preconceived notions.

Posted by: AD at March 05, 2011 07:52 PM (9r1ux)

You do understand the difference between his legislative experience and her executive experience, right?  He was in the US Senate for four years and accomplished nothing of substance.  Palin was Governor for two and a half years and accomplished quite a lot... including moving the gas pipeline project off top-dead-center (where it had languished for 25 years).

Quality of experience also counts.

238 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 08:00 PM (FC1lo)

Thank you for the education.  I always think of myself as being "well educated" but, more and more I'm seeing I was liberally indoctrinated instead of "well educated".  

239 You do understand the difference between his legislative experience and her executive experience, right?  He was in the US Senate for four years and accomplished nothing of substance.  Palin was Governor for two and a half years and accomplished quite a lot... including moving the gas pipeline project off top-dead-center (where it had languished for 25 years).Quality of experience also counts.

It does, which is why I supported her for VP.  She did well when she was in her elected positions in Alaska.  She fought corruption.  She reached a 90% approval rating before she was nominated and started being smeared.  She could have learned on the job as VP and done well.  There is just no way you sell a candidate to be elected President when she only has 2 1/2 years as governor.  Barack Obama is not the benchmark for being qualified to be President.  Again, I would love a fair world in which he and us are held to the same standard, but that won't happen in 2012 and being more qualified than that guy is a necessary factor but not sufficient one.

240 It was an interesting response in that, yes, it was a "dig" as people keep looking for that "burned" or "gotcha" moment... but its also a re-frame... "what he has done is no big deal"... now we know what Christie is doing is no small thing in the terms of what has happened in the past... but we know its a small thing in what need for the future.  I'm not going to call Palin a genius, and who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into what she says... but if a conservative wants to get elected they're going to have to substitute Obama's reality/meme with one of his/her own.

Its a two step thing... break people out of the trance... as much as they may be in one... using the reality and facts before them... and then get them to accept your reality over the alternative one given by the media/Dems.  Its what you have to do if your name is Palin or Smith... this is why language of things is a big deal as it accepts a certain reality and frame in mind which will induce other things.

I won't say Palin is working that deep... for all I know was that this was a thing to get Christie to back off... just some thoughts.

241

She has to be above it all.  This is the kind of thing that can be easily ignored, unlike the Tucson smears.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2011 07:11 PM (BvBKY)

The problem with being above it all, all the time, is that one gets a reputation of being a pushover.

Remember that Feb. 27 was the SECOND time Christie offered his unsolicited advice about Palin and unscripted appearances.  The first time was in January after Palin released her Tucson video.  She ignored it the first time, and Christie felt compelled to repeat it -- as if maybe he's got some sort of agenda or something.

242 My friend just said that Huckabee's comment about Natalie Portman was a referendum on Bristol Palin also.  Never thought of it that way but yeah, that's so true.

Republicans are so fascinating.  They don't need dems at all, the can tear each other apart so well that who ever ends up running against the dem is exhausted and about ready to give up anyway.

243

Posted by: curious at March 05, 2011 08:02 PM (k1rwm)

What's interesting is how easily the 22nd Amendment was passed and ratified, in spite of the margin of FDR's third- and fourth-term victories and the media's deification of him.  Liberals are perpetually trying to reorder American society to fit its collectivist vision; Roosevelt was one of the very worst of them all, and yet he still had to subvert the Constitution, the traditions of America, and the wishes of the people in order to do it.

244 Big sis on huckster..."we equip our manpower with a lot of advanced technology?  bean bags?

245 Mitt Romney is speaking live in New Hampshire right now.  This is the #1 story on Drudge, Politico, and there are a ton of reporters in the room.  Watch it live by clicking here.

Is Mitt announcing tonight?

246

She has to be above it all.  This is the kind of thing that can be easily ignored, unlike the Tucson smears.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2011 07:11 PM (BvBKY)

Yeah, she has to be above it all, while everyone else gets to smack her around unabated, right?

247 It does, which is why I supported her for VP.  She did well when she was in her elected positions in Alaska.  She fought corruption.  She reached a 90% approval rating before she was nominated and started being smeared.  She could have learned on the job as VP and done well.  There is just no way you sell a candidate to be elected President when she only has 2 1/2 years as governor.  Barack Obama is not the benchmark for being qualified to be President.  Again, I would love a fair world in which he and us are held to the same standard, but that won't happen in 2012 and being more qualified than that guy is a necessary factor but not sufficient one.

Posted by: AD at March 05, 2011 08:09 PM (9r1ux)

My issue isn't with people who prefer other Republicans for the 2012 nomination over Palin.  That's what the primary season is all about.

My objection is to people who say that somehow Sarah Palin is unfit to be President.  She's more fit than either Obama or Biden, both of whom are incompetent in office (in Biden's case, despite being a lawyer with decades of Federal government experience).

And she has some traits that are vitally important and very underrated, as the historian Paul Johnson noted in his Wall Street Journal interview today.

248 246 Time for both to decide if they are in or if they are out. If in...go ahead, whale away at your competition. If out....time to shut up.

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 05, 2011 08:14 PM (OWjjx)

I disagree.  I think not being able to pinpoint exactly who the competition will be is making the dems a little off balance.   BO can campaign all he wants and he is and he has never really stopped but not knowing who to respond to is comical to watch and to the advantage of the republicans.  think back, the NY slimes said hillary was the next president, put it on the sunday magazine cover and she wasn't, was she?   BO beautifully used that against her and he used pure psychology against regular hard working exhausted disgusted Americans in favor of those who believe in the American right to a handout.

249

This seems like a very slight dig to me. And Christie's previous comments didn't even seem like digs at all. They were more like advice on how best to play the game. Maybe they were unsolicited but they didn't seem adversarial to me. I don't think there's a war between Christie and Palin. I don't even think they're going to have a thumb war.

Ace was madly in love with Palin in 2006-2007. He thought she was the greatest Governor in history, yadda yadda yadda. Now he's transferred his crush to Christie. I wonder how long it will be before Christie is chopped liver and we've moved on to one Bob Schmelkendorf, a CPA from Topeka and part-time rodeo clown.

250 Posted by: Dan at March 05, 2011 08:19 PM (9L1z6)

Wait, are you Palin Dan or Romney Dan? 

251 Mitt Romney is speaking live in New Hampshire right now.  This is the #1 story on Drudge, Politico, and there are a ton of reporters in the room.  Watch it live by clicking here.

Is Mitt announcing tonight?

Posted by: Dan at March 05, 2011 08:19 PM (9L1z6)

Not like we haven't heard it all before.  Oh, wait, which Mitt are we getting this time?

252 Posted by: Steph at March 05, 2011 08:21 PM (AkdC5)

God forgive me, he's probably going to be the candidate since it's his turn and he patiently waited, unless Jeb Bush rides in on his white horse at the last minute and snatches it away from him, but I can't stand mittens.  He screwed up MA with romney care and he refuses to admit that MA is messed up.  But in the politico article they are saying he is talking about the Obama misery index and that is a term all republicans should be using. 

253 oh, it's gonna be mittens and he will lose.

254

Yawn......better question, are you having sex with your mother tonight?

Nah, he's two people behind me in the line. There are four in front of me.

255 If they are not running....limit the friendly fire and turn it on your opponet.

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 05, 2011 08:26 PM (OWjjx)

You're right, but maybe Palin wouldn't say jack about them, if they didn't take repeated shots at her.   At least, she only comes back at them half-handedly if she's asked about it.

256 You know I"m watching these freshman reps on huckabee.  When asked "what shocked you".  One of them said "racial stuff".   which is interesting since I had no idea that Congress was full of bigots.

257 You're right, but maybe Palin wouldn't say jack about them, if they didn't take repeated shots at her.   At least, she only comes back at them half-handedly if she's asked about it.

No kidding; nothing's ever her fault.  And the things that are her fault aren't as much her fault as they would be if they were somebody else's fault. 

258 I hope this goes on Huckabee's website or something these three guys are amazing.

259 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 08:37 PM (FC1lo)

The attractive thing about BO, according to my lib/dem friends is that he was "the real deal" and let you see him with all his warts.  Now, I didn't see that at all, but I didn't vote for him either.  And I wouldn't have voted for mcshame had he not recruited sarah.  But, sarah is human and has faults and can make mistakes and can change her mind.  Like the rest of us.  Which is why she keeps coming back, cause she can. 

260 someone said Palin was in India.  Why, all of a sudden am I hearing that so many people are going to India?  What is the draw?  

261
There is just no way you sell a candidate to be elected President when she only has 2 1/2 years as governor.  -AD

That's just your assertion and nothing more. Did Ted Kennedy's multiple decades in the Senate qualify him for the presidency? Or McCain's?

Please show me where in the Constitution does it enumerate this laundry list that candidates must meet to show qualification. If a candidate is of age and is Natural Born and wins the Electoral College, then they are qualified to be president.

Everything else is subjective and to be decided by the individual voter and elector. If you want to make a case that she's not ready, then go ahead and make it, but simply asserting it is not going to cut it.

262 This may shock some of you but I think sarah's experience in the beauty pageant world is underestimated.  Women are tough, especially when they are in competition with other women.  Mean girls is so true, so true.   Men are always nice to each other.  A woman can verbally claw an opponents eyes out speaking in a whisper with a smile on her face.

263 I'm the cult of

I'm the cult of

I'm the cult of

personality!

264  
"...both Christie and Palin can unload on Obama any time they want."-Mallamutt

Still waiting for Christie to unload on Obama. People can assert or deny Palin's talents or qualifications, but there is absolutely denying the fact that she has been the leader of The Opposition since she was announced as VP. If the political oppostion to Obama were to be looked at as an insurrectionist rebel movement, it would be her leading the troops storming the castle gates. She's literally fought her way to the front and stayed there. Everyone else on the Right whose name is up for consideration seem like a bunch of witless generals standing at the edge of the battle and dickering.

265 Gov. Palin......it's not courageous to cut spending when you are flat broke.  People on the right are confused, people on the left could care less, announce further spending.

266 sartana,

It was Ted's driving skilz that made him a Senate star.

Ace,

I have to agree that Palin's remark was in the chute, and ready for deployment.  Of course, Churchill was fond of keeping a stash of witty ripostes available, and rehearsed, just for such moments. It's an old tradition.

I also agree that Christie is being annoying when he attacks the "field" that way.  But Limbaugh did that for several election cycles, too. It's why he and Levin and others waited overlong to get behind Romney last time. It's why some, like Levin, plan on getting behind someone earlier this go around.  It's Coulter's stated reason for getting behind Christie now (which is obviously too damned early, so it's silly).

The leading pundits need to allow the field to develop, so that early posturing and debates can illuminate the positions taken on the issues. I do think folks in your position (ie, those with some following) need to get behind a candidate before the Iowa caucuses--at least in your own mind. Waiting until it's "down to three" renders any such support meaningless.

Christie does the Party, and the election itself, no favors when he acts like none of the potentials are worth a second look. It comes across as self-serving.

267 Still waiting for Christie to unload on Obama.

Of course you are.  You're a sayer. 

268 Ace: "...(and her employer, FoxNews, agrees [she's not a current candidate], as it's suspended the relationship with Gingrich and Santorum but not Palin and Huckabee)..."

Not really. Gingrich and Santorum are insignificant to the network's bottom line. Huckabee runs a popular show for so-cons and Palin is, well, Palin. She's instant eyeballs and money. Cutting Huck and Sarah would be a very costly move. Gingrich and Santorum not at all. Journalistic integrity really has nothing to do with it.

269 No kidding; nothing's ever her fault.  And the things that are her fault aren't as much her fault as they would be if they were somebody else's fault. 

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 08:37 PM (FC1lo)

Why don't you enlighten us on how it was her fault that Christie went on late night television rolling his eyes and mocking her?

270 There is a reason other politicians are always distancing themselves from Palin and *not* inviting her to campaign on their behalves.

Her current image is simply too polarizing to be politically successful.

And what's frustrating to me is I don't think it needs to be this way -- as I keep saying, I don't believe Palin's policies are "extreme" at all. But she's being painted that way, and because she doesn't seem to be doing outreach except to already-convinced die-harts, she seems almost happy to be thought of as a candidate For Hard-Core Conservatives Only.

Posted by: ace at March 05, 2011 06:02 PM (nj1bB)

 

Ace seriously  what world do you live on  when it comes to Palin.  Did you miss the entire 2010 elections?  Where you had politicans  beating down the door to get Palin's endorsement and have her campaign for  them.   Palin's endosement was the most sought out endorsement of the campiagn. It was considered the gold standard.   Palin's  endorsement was more powerful in DE  than Chrisite's  which had to hurt his ego some I would imagine.

 

Maybe in the NE  the politicians  avoided  her I don't know.  I don't live there.  If they did  they were wrong and taking the wrong advice.  She  pulled around 10,000  to the Botson commons  in the middle of the week.  More  according to reports than Obama and Barney Frank and Gov Patrick pulled in on a Sat.  

You comment is  just not base don facts.

271 >>Ace seriously  what world do you live on  when it comes to Palin.  Did you miss the entire 2010 elections?  Where you had politicans  beating down the door to get Palin's endorsement and have her campaign for  them.   Palin's endosement was the most sought out endorsement of the campiagn. It was considered the gold standard.   Palin's  endorsement was more powerful in DE  than Chrisite's  which had to hurt his ego some I would imagine.

Look at how far Palin's endorsement took Christine O'Donnell in the general election.  Or Ken Buck.  Or Sharron Angle. 

272

The problem with being above it all, all the time, is that one gets a reputation of being a pushover.

Remember that Feb. 27 was the SECOND time Christie offered his unsolicited advice about Palin and unscripted appearances.  The first time was in January after Palin released her Tucson video.  She ignored it the first time, and Christie felt compelled to repeat it -- as if maybe he's got some sort of agenda or something.

Posted by: stuiec at March 05, 2011 08:12 PM (JuWS+)

So?  Christie's attacks aren't worth much.  If she isn't running, then she has better things to think about than settling scores.  If she is, then the Ronald Reagan of the 21st century has to be magnanimous.

Like I said, there are times to fight back.  Plenty of them.  But her remarks are better made against the fleebaggers or other of that type.

That applies to Christie, too.

273 Nicely outlined, Ace!

274 Look at how far Palin's endorsement took Christine O'Donnell in the general election.  Or Ken Buck.  Or Sharron Angle. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at March 05, 2011 09:30 PM (NjYDy)

You really want to talk about Palin's endorsements in the general in '12?   I see you've named 3.   How many did she help over the line?

BTW, how did Christie's endorsements work out?   What's Meg Whitman doing right now?

275 You really want to talk about Palin's endorsements in the general in '12?   I see you've named 3.   How many did she help over the line?

Well, there was John McCain....

276 There wasn't the guy in her own state, though.... nope, that one didn't work out so well....

277 Look at how far Palin's endorsement took Christine O'Donnell in the general election.  Or Ken Buck.  Or Sharron Angle. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at March 05, 2011 09:30 PM (NjYDy)

Palin's  took COD  farther than Christie's took Castle  in DE which shows who has the more power with the gop party base.     

 

She never endorsed  Buck as far as I know.  He was one of those that didn't want to get messed up with the *Tar baby*  which I imagine he is kicking himself  for  at this time.  

And I do like how  you only mention the losses.   You forget Rand Paul owes Palin  a huge favor  getting his campaign off the ground.  He even sights in his new book the role Palin's  enodrsement played.    And  the people like Renee ellmers  and Gov Nikki Haley of Sc , and Gov Martinza  of NM   to name  just a few.  Palin's endorses  won around  63 seats.    

And that doesn't even begin to mention the impact she had on fundraising for those candidates  and for the local GOP parties.  Steele  paid off Palin's  legal bills  just to get her to sign her name to a couple fundraising letters for the RNC......

 

I understand  why you want to downplay Palin's  influence of  the 2010  since she wiped the floor with the establishment  but  a comment like Ace's that is just 100% devoid of any truth is just wrong.   I don't mind  spin  but it needs to be backed up with some facts  at some point.  

 

278 There wasn't the guy in her own state, though.... nope, that one didn't work out so well....

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 09:43 PM (FC1lo)

 

sure it did.  Until Miller took the advice of people with the same worldview of Ace and started to distance himself from the *tar baby*  then of course his campaign self destructed.  Or did you miss the dust up  between the Miller campaign and todd Palin's leaked email  by a reported  huckabee supporter?  At the very end  Miller understood his mistake and reached out  for Palin to help save his campaign but  by then it was too late for him.....he took bad advice and paid for it.

 

279 Palin's endorses won around 63 seats.

Palin did not get 63 candidates elected.

280 Sure.  It's not like the race in Alaska wasn't resolved until long after the main election, where the national unions had a chance to pour money and bused-in support to influence the election there or anything.

281

Gov Christie laughed at Gov Palin on national TV. He added his own 'it is amazing world' to the interviewer's 'it is crazy world' when asked about her candidacy. Gov Palin refused to criticise Gov Christie when his comments were played her. 

 Then again in the current incident he not only told she did scripted interviews he told "one cannot be blow dried and poll tested".  (Funny that Gov Palin has contested 4 municipal, 2 state and 1 national election compared to 1 county and 1 state by Gov Christie). Compared to him, Gov Palin was mild and civil in her remarks.

282 Man all this political talk  makes my blood pressure spike.  Addressing that point specifically  (note, baldilocks) : omega oils in fresh, wild fish, especially salmon. are a proven and delicious way to reduce blood pressure.  (Full disclosure:  I catch 'em commercially up here in God's country--Alaska)  Nurses always comment how low my BP is.  Not farmed fish, only wild will do.

283 Palin's endorses won around 63 seats.

Palin did not get 63 candidates elected.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 09:52 PM (FC1lo)

 

yeap you correct I  was quoting the wrong number.    she endorsed around 60   around 45 of them won..............While  no endorsment  gets a candidate elected.of and by itself.  the campaigns  must be run and the candidates have to prove themselves.    Her endorsement  far from being a negative *tar baby*  was very important for those that won.  

 

284

Palin is battle tested.   She has been treated like a dirty laundry and always come out clean and level headed. There's the leadership I  am talking about.
She is running, research the date 7/26/2011, possible date that she will tell the whole world that she is running, with my fingers crossed.   Now  keep you wondering??  Run Sarah Palin 2012!!

 

 

285 I'm not wild about Palin or Christie.

286 Palin did not get 63 candidates elected.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 05, 2011 09:52 PM (FC1lo)

You're right, but 67% of her endorsees won election.   Some won with no help what-so-ever at the national level.   You know that, but it chaps your ass to have to admit it, so just rub a little rash creme on it, and keep repeating to yourself that she didn't win them all.

287
Megafonts? Me? I get flustered when I have to choose between bold and italic. Kind of like when you order Carne Asada and the waitress asks you: Corn or Flour? The only correct response is: Both!

288 and keep repeating to yourself that she didn't win them all.

But she didn't.  You know that as well as I do. 

289 289 Gov Christie laughed at Gov Palin on national TV. He added his own 'it is amazing world' to the interviewer's 'it is crazy world' when asked about her candidacy. Gov Palin refused to criticise Gov Christie when his comments were played her. Yeah, that's what I came down here to say. Christie disappointed me when he laughed at her. That was uncool, and after I saw that, I took down my Governor Christie pron calendar. I just returned from Wasilla and Anchorage, and interviewed people who watched her rise. She is a force of nature, as is Christie. We want them to hammer unmercifully on Obama, not each other.

290  We want them to hammer unmercifully on Obama, not each other.

Posted by: MathMom at March 05, 2011 10:31 PM (tj0rx)

 

agreed.   I think Christie is getting bad advice somewhere.   Most likely  from the Mitt camp.   If christie  wants a future in national politics  he needs to get out of the NE bubble and understand what is going on in flyover country.   attacking Palin is not going to win him as many friends as he will lose.  It is the wrong fight at the wrong time against the wrong person.  

 

  

291 And what's frustrating to me is I don't think it needs to be this way -- as I keep saying, I don't believe Palin's policies are "extreme" at all. But she's being painted that way, and because she doesn't seem to be doing outreach except to already-convinced die-harts, she seems almost happy to be thought of as a candidate For Hard-Core Conservatives Only.

Posted by: ace at March 05, 2011 06:02 PM (nj1bB)

Hmm...

Didn't she campaign for McCain's re-election?

Did she endorse Kristi Noem, Nikki Hakey and a variety of other candidates not on the "Hard-Core" end of the conservative spectrum?

Heck, didn't she even praise Scott Brown as the "conservative candidate" leading up to the Massachusetts special election?

(Heck, didn't she say that she thinks the government has better things to do than to go after pot smokers?)

Maybe her mantra of "Common-Sense Conservatism" really DOES mean something other than "Hard-Core Conservatism."

292 I'm not a Palin fan but Christie has a habit of going after fellow Republicans. See past law suits in his early political life. He also seems to equivocate when confronted with controversial issues other than fiscal issues. His rhetoric on the ground zero mosque is unforgivable. He deserves this slapdown for that alone.

293 "I will believe Palin is a real candidate when she starts making a stronger effort to woo not just her loyal base but the other people she'll need to actually win an election. "

FWIW, Palin polls (slightly) better among self-described liberal and moderate Republicans than conservatives.  Below is a Nate Silver piece laying out why Gingrich is probably screwed, but scroll down for Gallup numbers on Republican preferences broken down into a bunch of subcategories.

Palin is, on these numbers, actually *not* the preferred candidate of the ultras - right now, that's Huckabee.  If she runs and Huckabee doesn't, it's hard to predict how H's vote will split, but it could break mostly her way and catapult her past Romney into a clear first.  Or not.

http://tinyurl.com/4euv7l9

294 as a Christie fan, I'm not loving Christie's lack of support for the current field.

Not running and also not offering some uplift for the actual candidates makes him sound like a spoilsport douche who's hoping the WH gets kept by Obama so it's open to him in 2016.

Don't do that, big man. Either run or don't but don't do that.

+1

295 298attacking Palin is not going to win him as many friends as he will lose. It is the wrong fight at the wrong time against the wrong person.

Posted by: unseen at March 05, 2011 10:35 PM (aVGmX)

That's an interesting thing to bring up. Christie can't possibly run for POTUS in 2012 if he burns a bunch of bridges now, regarding any of the major potential candidates. It would even be beyond stupid to slam Huck if he were planning on such a run. (Huck being the most vulnerable to "slamming" at present.) Such bridge burning would put up a major wall with a large chunk of the base he would need.

That seems like a very strong indicator that, as a comfortably "in charge" guy at his current job, he isn't going to be running in 2012, and can be operating to help some other candidate. Thus he gets away with pulling a "Rove" (cf O'Donnell's announced win), if he wants to.

I agree with whoever said that this instance of scoffing has put me off of Christie.  I had been thinking he's someone I'd want to vote for (I had Palin, Cain, and Christie as my top, preferred considerations for support in 2012). That moves Romney up a little, which is possibly what he's after - trading his "capital" for Romney moving up.  ...Which seems a little too deep in the craftiness department to seem real, except in Christie's case, he actually has some major capital to spend there.

296 Posted by: Asian Girl at March 05, 2011 10:13 PM

I like the cut of your qipao. What's up with 7/26/2011?

297 oh my god, yesterday's sock

298 I really feel that BO is the political version of the "teflon don".  The BO kool aid drinkers are still drinking the kool aid.  He's managed to make them say out loud that he really hasn't done anything wrong but the members of his party, those he's hired and the republicans have given him a hard time.  They truly believe he is near perfect.  So I think you can't attack him.  Not in the usual political sense.  They have to figure out a way to bring out all the faux pas, the high gas prices, the unemployed who have given up, the unresolved housing crisis, the AG who is not prosecuting things he doesn't feel like prosecuting, the banksters some of whom belong next to bernie in a jumpsuit, the politicians who may also belong next to the banksters and bernie in jumpsuits and, last but not least, the failure to even present a budget, obamacare, ignoring the American people, not interceding in the I ran situation, the list goes on and on.  But, none of it is sticking to him and since he went 100% into campaign mode I've heard more people who I thought were intelligent say "well, you know he really needs two terms to truly accomplish what he set out to do so even though I may not be able to see what he sees and what his plan is, I'm willing to work for him and give him a second chance".    How do the republicans campaign against that mentality?

299 There is just no way you sell a candidate to be elected President when she only has 2 1/2 years as governor.  -AD

That's just your assertion and nothing more. Did Ted Kennedy's multiple decades in the Senate qualify him for the presidency? Or McCain's?

Please show me where in the Constitution does it enumerate this laundry list that candidates must meet to show qualification. If a candidate is of age and is Natural Born and wins the Electoral College, then they are qualified to be president.

"If his name was Edward Moore, with his qualifications -- with your qualifications, Teddy, your candidacy would be a joke."
- Edward McCormack debating Ted Kennedy in his first run for the Senate

When this debate comes up, the fact there's a double standard comes up.  I agree.

There's a complete double standard.  You're preaching to the choir.

Ted Kennedy got a pass and was carried by the press from the very beginning of his career.  Barack Obama got a pass and was carried by the press from the very beginning of his career.  My problem?  Sarah Palin has not been given a pass and is not going to get one.  So, what worked for them is not going to work for her.  Is it unfair?  Absolutely.  Is it going to change in 2012?  No.  That's despite the fact that even with the merits of actually running a state, as with Palin, vs. just saying "yes" or "no" a bunch of times as with Senators (and I agree, there is a difference), it's just a much, much more difficult case to make to the public if you're comparing the amount of experience to someone with 20+ years in the Senate as McCain and Kennedy had in their later years.  The minimum Constitutional requirements won't get you elected and someone with 2 1/2 years as a Senator/Governor or equivalent position has just not been elected in modern times.  In fact, the only person in the 20th century was Woodrow Wilson (and I'm not counting his time heading Princeton because...well, just because...f' Wilson).

300 Look at how far Palin's endorsement took Christine O'Donnell in the general election. Or Ken Buck. Or Sharron Angle.
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 05, 2011 09:30 PM (NjYDy)

She didn't endorse Buck or Angle, doofus (and even if she had endorsed Angle, you can't tell me Sue Lowden wasn't a walking gaffe machine on par with Joe Biden). That the MFM said she did doesn't make it so. But you know who she did endorse? Sean Duffy, Vicki Hartzler, Rick Scott, Allen West, Nikki Haley, Kelly Ayotte, Mary Fallin, Rand Paul, Allen West, Anne Marie Burkele, Suzanna Martinez, Paul Gosar, Renee Elmers, Tim Scott, and Rick Perry, to name just a few.

301 "How do the republicans campaign against that mentality?"

By creating a parallel mentality of their own.  Not as creepy, hopefully.

But getting bogged down in an election mediated through the, um, media, is playing to O's strengths and guarantees a loss.

This is the true meaning of the Tea Party.

302 I love you, Curious, you make Eeyore look like a wild-eyed optimist!

303 Face it: Christie is an establishment Republican.  His career in the Justice Dept was under Bush, and was one of the special advisors to Alberto Gonzales, not a major conservative player.  He defends establishment GOP, like, say, Romney.  Is he courageous for cutting spending?  Perhaps in New Jersey, but Palin is right.  What choices does he have?  Even Cuomo and Jerry Brown are trying to cut spending, and courageous conservatives they are not.  Perhaps too many people are mistaking a confrontational attitude for courage, when maybe it's just because he was born, bred, raised, in New Jersey, a state not known for moderation.

So we know what Palin's issue is: Christie is just like the media, the Dems, and establishment Replublicans by deeming Palin unfit.  Want a fight, big boy? Palin's had bigger enemies than you.  Should she be doing that?  Who knows?  But the other side of that coin is should Christie be doing it?  Sauce for goose, sauce for gander.

Why would Christie attack Palin?  Inability to shut his mouth?  Basking in the glow of his new popularity?  Currying favor with the establishment GOP, perhaps for his own political career?  Truly believes that he and his'n are superior to Palin?  E.  All of the above?

So other than willingness to fight with the unions and reduce spending, what makes him such a pillar of GOP fortitude?  Abortion?  Personally opposed but would not change the law.  Just like other stalwart Republicans such as Joe Biden, Kennedys, Baracky, etc..  It's just liberal fog.  2nd Amendment? What is the difference between Christie and Bloomberg except Christie hasn't tried to send spies to Arizona?  Reduce the impact of government in our lives?  Other than taxes (which, admittedly, ain't peanuts), assumes facts not in evidence.  Major support for the military and our traditional allies?  He is colorful, but maybe some real conservative bonafides would be nice, in addition to the taxes thing.

One big problem with Christie, Scott Brown and other like him: they were elected because of the growing attitude of the Tea Partyism.  Elect the least liberal candidate possible.  Sure, none of them announced as Tea Party supporters, but so what?  They got Tea Party money and support.  It was the wave that carried them.  Now they can ridicule the wave?  A little realism, if not appreciation, would seem to be in order.  Instead, they attack the movement that made their elections possible.

304

I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a look of misery and dejection on the face of my daughter as I just did a moment ago. She just couldn’t understand why reactionaries in these unions would undermine the efforts of fellow fiscally responsible taxpayers. “Even my Grandpa?” she asked pitifully.

I sat down with her on the sofa and (as calmly as I could) tried to explain to her why these public employee unions has rushed to judgment and besmirched the good name of every fiscally responsible taxpayer, past and present. “And yes honey, even Grandpa”, I was forced to say.

I tried to keep my voice steady, but it became increasingly difficult – the rage and feelings of helplessness were just too much. I think my daughter could tell something was wrong. I found myself at such a loss for words – nothing made any sense; nothing makes sense anymore. I finally had to admit, “Honey, I just don’t know – I don’t know what’s going on in this country anymore…”

When I finished her lower lip started to tremble and her eyes began to fill with tears, “Daddy” she said, “why are these reactionary unionists doing this to the country?” Well, that was it for me: I finally fell apart. She just fell into my arms and we both began sobbing for several minutes.

For once she had to comfort me and get me back on my feet. Sometimes I just think itÂ’s too much, but seeing the strength in my young daughterÂ’s voice helped me to get through.

305 If Palin starts playing the game then she would immediately be powerless. Right now she is the most powerful public political figure in the world, And she did it her way.

306 I voted for Christie and like some of what he's done - fighting the unions and canceling the tunnel project, especially. But he's acting like a dork in high school who's temporarily popular with the cool kids. He slams his fellow dorks to show that he's not one of them. When the cool kids are done using him, they'll treat him more viciously that he can imagine. Grow up before that happens, big fella.

307 If Palin starts playing the game then she would immediately be powerless. Right now she is the most powerful public political figure in the world, And she did it her way.

Posted by: Huggy at March 06, 2011 10:59 AM (1HO/y)

You're saying she's Obi-Wan Palin -- they struck her down and she has become more powerful than they could imagine?

I see her as Sarah al-Dub al-Akbar^* -- her name is a killing word, and she will unite the Fremen in their assault on the Obamonnen.

* Sarah, Mother of the Great Bear

308

Good "mild" smackdown by Palin.   She needs to subscribe to the theory: "The more crap one puts up with the more crap you are going to get".  Checkmate for her!  And the unintended consequence is the postings all over the internet of his record prior to becoming governor.  Oh, not too good!  Certainly not presidential material.   Not even good enough to be Mitt's hatchet person.

He should never have taken on The Artic Fox. 

 

309

Chris Chistie is a RINO,,,

 

 

SarahCuda 4 POTUS

310

"Unprompted". 

You are a slease, and no, I'm still not voting for your man.