March 19, 2011

Japanese Nuke Summary [ArthurK]
— Open Blogger

It's all here.


I was going to do a big linkfest and a longish rant but everything you need to know about the nuclear accident is at the link above. Just go back 3-5 pages and read every post. You'll then know more about it than 99% of the jerks on TV.


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1 Link not working correctly:
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Posted by: MarkC at March 19, 2011 01:01 AM (ros+1)

2 Link gives a 404 but that is still more accurate than 99% of he jerks on TV.

Posted by: crosspatch at March 19, 2011 01:10 AM (ZbLJZ)

3 Link Fail?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at March 19, 2011 01:25 AM (qIHlG)

4 Uhm...

Thanks for the heads up!

I worried about all of  the misinformation and baseless speculation being thrown about on TV but your link provides a pretty detailed analysis that even a layman like myself can understand.

(I think kdbear said it best when he suggested that we hang Shemp Smith over the facility so he can cry the fire out!)

Posted by: Deetyoft forgets to be grateful to Obama at March 19, 2011 01:25 AM (Jb3+B)

5

For the link, just delete the /page/  or http://wormme.com

 

Posted by: Leland at March 19, 2011 01:31 AM (vQ5gI)

6 Spam magnet.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at March 19, 2011 01:43 AM (qIHlG)

7 ok, link fixed. Looks like the old comments are gone but... there were hardly any comments anyway so no harm done.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at March 19, 2011 01:44 AM (/EiLQ)

8 That isn't a summary at all. How bad is this?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at March 19, 2011 02:01 AM (qIHlG)

9 The moon is HUGH this morning.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 02:41 AM (7+pP9)

10 > 11 That isn't a summary at all. How bad is this? Posted by: FlaviusJulius I guess I viewed it as a summary because it (along with all the embedded links and the links in the comments) told me more than all the TV reports. How bad is it? So far, there are zero deaths or injuries outside the boundaries of the plant. There has been one death in the plant - a guy had a crane fall on him. It's a catasrophe for Tokyo Electric (plant owner). It should be nothing more than a loss of electricity for the Japanese as a whole but, because of press coverage making it seem like a NUCLEAR APOCALYPSE, it's causing a lot of stress and panic that they don't need with everything else going on. But the wild card is the cooling pond at reactor #4. If the rods there catch fire, it could be reasonably bad. Some local contamination. Unlikely that it would kill anybody outside the plant boundaries.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at March 19, 2011 02:43 AM (/EiLQ)

11 Is this the appropriate place to say that 99% of the national media are simply evil.  There isn't a one of them who wouldn't sell their daughter in a Saudi market if they thought it would get them a rating point. 

My fantasy is that all of them spend at least one year in Cuba having to live like an average Cuban.  But, I doubt that even that experience would teach them anything.

Me oh my we're all gonna die!!!  (How's my hair?)  (Makeup!)  

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at March 19, 2011 03:01 AM (ZTn9N)

12 The change [in Administration policy] became possible, though, only after Mrs. Clinton joined Samantha Power, senior aide at the National Security Council, and Susan Rice, Mr. ObamaÂ’s ambassador to the United Nations. Power and Clinton and Rice, oh my send in the army and enforce no-fly. Remarkable how it's suddenly morally imperative to kill a crazy dictator with Europe's oil to spill Where were these bitches when Bush fucked up Iraq? With Sheehan and Code Pink calling Betrayus a hack. Honestly people, you can't make up this shit with these kooks Only the NYT could look at this and not puke.

Posted by: Slim Yamoto, the cowboy poet and Harry Reid love-toy at March 19, 2011 03:12 AM (le5qc)

13 All in all, it really would have been much better if this Nuclear Plant in Japan had not malfunctioned.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 03:48 AM (0GFWk)

14
It's a great day in Brazil, and I'm walking Ipanema Beach. I plan on doing a little community organizing today in the slums, and maybe Trumpka can organize this group of dispirited and deprived people into a voting block. 

I am truly loved in Brazil, and the stories about protests are simply untrue.  Who are you going to believe?  Your loyal and dedicated president, or the press?

Love, Barkey

Posted by: Barky the Dithering Dork at March 19, 2011 03:54 AM (ZHsNw)

15 So just how DO I get an apartment in Shanghai?

Posted by: joncelli at March 19, 2011 03:55 AM (Nvw83)

16 I don't get it. Governments are killing their citizens all over the world, but for some reason Libya, a little piss ant country of no real importance, all of a sudden is the big story.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 04:01 AM (0GFWk)

17 So just how DO I get an apartment in Shanghai? Posted by: joncelli at March 19, 2011 07:55 AM (Nvw83) Somebody walks up behind you and cracks you on your head and "Shanghai's" you.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 04:03 AM (0GFWk)

18

I don't get it. Governments are killing their citizens all over the world, but for some reason Libya, a little piss ant country of no real importance, all of a sudden is the big story.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 08:01 AM (0GFWk)

Mubarak got his ass kicked, Bahrain, Yemen et. al. are in turmoil. Oil prices gyrating. It's not like it's happening in a vacuum.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 04:13 AM (7+pP9)

19 The meeting on Libya in Paris today includes Cameron,  Sarkozy,  Berlusconi,  and key figures in the Arab League.

Oh,  and Mrs. Clinton.

Strikes me as the US really isn't a participant in this.   We are just sort of "present."

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 19, 2011 04:15 AM (Fo83G)

20 You know, looks like the whole world is getting change except for us. We got Chicago'd

Posted by: lokki at March 19, 2011 04:21 AM (a5F9g)

21 Mubarak got his ass kicked, Bahrain, Yemen et. al. are in turmoil. Oil prices gyrating. It's not like it's happening in a vacuum. Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 08:13 AM (7+pP9) Yeah. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Iran are the BIG stories. Wasting time, resources, and what ever good will/influence we have left on a shit hole like Libya is crazy.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 04:24 AM (0GFWk)

22 The meeting on Libya in Paris today includes Cameron, Sarkozy, Berlusconi, and key figures in the Arab League. Oh, and Mrs. Clinton. Strikes me as the US really isn't a participant in this. We are just sort of "present." Posted by: Miss Marple at March 19, 2011 08:15 AM (Fo83G) Ya noticed that ha? I hope Obama can get us a good deal in Brazil?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 04:25 AM (0GFWk)

23 See, I saw this picture awhile ago, but I was on my friend's phone and couldn't enlarge it.

I just assume someone had photoshopped Biden and Obama's face into it.

How NOT to wear a respirator!

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 04:27 AM (penCf)

24 Since Oblabla decided to help the opposition, he's now just waiting for Saudi Arabia and Bahrain to start killing their own people and then he's going too................"let me be clear"  "uh" "umm" "unprecedented".

Posted by: Meddler at March 19, 2011 04:29 AM (fCBw5)

25 By the way, if any of you are planning to spring into gardening like Mo'asschelle, think again.  They are calling for snow several times next week.

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 04:29 AM (penCf)

26 The GOP needs to investigate Barry's political donations he's received the last 3.5 years.

Can Issa do this?

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 04:30 AM (penCf)

27 WH power grab - #1,666,666,666,666,666:

Apparently, we have seen nothing yet. The White House is now proposing a Hollywood version of the Patriot Act – legislation that would allow copyright wiretaps against website owners who post copyrighted materials.

The proposed legislation comes on the heels of the arrest of a website owner who linked to video streams. Homeland Security has charged 32-year old Bryan McCarthy with one count of criminal infringement of copyright for linking to video streams of the UFC, NFL and other sports. McCarthy faces five years in prison for linking.


Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 04:39 AM (penCf)

28 31 The GOP needs to investigate Barry's political donations he's received the last 3.5 years.

Can Issa do this?

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 08:30 AM (penCf)

It would be interesting to know the amount he got from Quadaffy. I have a funny feeling Mubarak didn't send enough.

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2011 04:40 AM (MRWYY)

29 That wormme guy is pretty good. Is he one of us?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2011 04:40 AM (0vDuM)

30
Yeah. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Iran are the BIG stories. Wasting time, resources, and what ever good will/influence we have left on a shit hole like Libya is crazy.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 08:24 AM (0GFWk)

Too bad you're too slow to understand why it's a big story. You almost seem to understand. Glad I'm not that stupid.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 04:43 AM (7+pP9)

31 That wormme guy is pretty good. Is he one of us? Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2011 08:40 AM (0vDuM) your either with us, or against us

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 04:43 AM (0GFWk)

32 Too bad you're too slow to understand why it's a big story. You almost seem to understand. Glad I'm not that stupid. Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 08:43 AM (7+pP9) Arrogant and rude little piss ant. It's a side show

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 04:47 AM (0GFWk)

33 I'm not so worried about Japan anymore. The French Leader of the Free World President Sarkozy is now in charge!

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 19, 2011 04:48 AM (kUaEF)

34 I posted this in the Monty doom thread yesterday. It gives the best run down on the sequence of events.

A damn good breakdown of the sequence of events in Japan from WNN

It also answers the question I kept asking about why they lost the Steam Driven pump.

The information has always been out there. The problem is relying on the worthless MFM to get it to you. They were too busy quoting government jackasses who know nothing and George Soros eco-tards who are hostile to anything other than hard left communism.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 04:49 AM (M9Ie6)

35 32 Yeah. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Iran are the BIG stories. Wasting time, resources, and what ever good will/influence we have left on a shit hole like Libya is crazy. I keep wondering what lesson Ka-Daffy is drawing from the French decision to Lead the Free World against him. "I should have kept the damn nuclear bomb program going strong!" I'm sure that lesson will not be lost on other local tyrants around the globe.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 19, 2011 04:50 AM (kUaEF)

36 That wormme guy is pretty good. Is he one of us?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2011 08:40 AM (0vDuM)


He seems to write for us....as in light, concise, dumbed down but not insulting, honest writings/explanations. (Because, you know, we all can't be Vic )

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 04:51 AM (penCf)

37 I think under the circumstances, Obama is doing what sadly truly IS the best he can do: Heading out for Rio.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 19, 2011 04:51 AM (kUaEF)

38
Arrogant and rude little piss ant. It's a side show

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 08:47 AM (0GFWk)

America abdicating its role as the world's lone superpower is a side show?

You must be a paultard.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 04:52 AM (7+pP9)

39

Hehe...stolen from Lucianne.com

...when Barry was told that the Brazilians were protesting him, he asked how many were in a brazillion

Posted by: beedubya at March 19, 2011 04:53 AM (AnTyA)

40 Why even report this?  It will just terrify the already paniced, hungry, cold populace.  Plus, don't we use radiation to kill off shit in our food supply?:

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said checks of milk in the Fukushima area, and of spinach grown in neighbouring Ibaraki, surpassed limits set by the government.

It was the first official report of food being contaminated by radiation since the March 11 earthquake and tsunami triggered a nuclear crisis.

Me Edano said the radiation levels posed no immediate threat to humans and urged consumers to remain calm.

He said even if someone drank the contaminated milk for a year the radiation level would only be the same as undergoing one CAT scan

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 04:54 AM (penCf)

41 America abdicating its role as the world's lone superpower is a side show? You must be a paultard. Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 08:52 AM (7+pP9) Hey fuck head. First of all you started to attack me personally. So before you do that learn to read. I was talking about the UN and the EU's preoccupation with Libya and dragging Obama along . Yeah Obama abdicating the Leadership of the Free World is a HUGE Story. That is NOT what I was talking about.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 04:54 AM (0GFWk)

42 Need we ask, "How bad is it?"  The Japanese Prime Minister stoically announced that Japan must rebuild now from the ground up; that is how bad things are.

Large scale Solar and Wind energy being so extremely inefficient, and Water remaining a limited resource, Nuclear energy remains the only effective alternative to the Oil, Gas and Coal energy. And comparing the wastes produced from these effective energy sources, nuclear ranks at the bottom of the environmentally friendly list. Always has, always will.

So to hell with the moratoriums on domestic oil/gas drilling.


Posted by: by any other name at March 19, 2011 04:55 AM (H+LJc)

43 To think: liberals are actually sprouting little chubbies over the spectacle of the USA Sec. of State being summoned to Paris to be told by the French Leader of the Free World what the USA should do. Communists. Pussies. Un-Americans.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 19, 2011 04:57 AM (kUaEF)

44 Obama began his Friday night speech against Qadhafi with, "Once again, [he] has refused the will of his people." Pot meet Kettle.

Posted by: by any other name at March 19, 2011 04:59 AM (H+LJc)

45 Can't believe he's going on vacation with the world in chaos. I'm fine with him doing it because I think he's a fuck-up.

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2011 04:59 AM (MRWYY)

46 45 Can't believe he's going on vacation with the world in chaos. I'm fine with him doing it because I think he's a fuck-up. Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2011 08:59 AM (MRWYY) I take a more positive view of his Rio holiday. The further away he is, the better.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 19, 2011 05:02 AM (kUaEF)

47 44 Obama began his Friday night speech against Qadhafi with, "Once again, [he] has refused the will of his people." Pot meet Kettle. Posted by: by any other name at March 19, 2011 08:59 AM (H+LJc) What did he say when the Tehran Mullahs once again refused the will of the Iranian people? I forget...

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 19, 2011 05:03 AM (kUaEF)

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 05:03 AM (penCf)

49

Good Morning Vic

Hats off to you, and  Worm , and Sandy Salt(??) for the updates, and info.   

Posted by: pitchforksandpowder at March 19, 2011 05:04 AM (GStPL)

50 I forget...

Posted by: CoolCzech

Selectivity, it's for hypocrites.

Posted by: by any other name at March 19, 2011 05:04 AM (H+LJc)

51 "Obama finally has his own war"

Just like a real POTUS! He's a big boy now! Pretty soon we can exchange the SpongeBob pull-ups for real big-boy Underoos!  *bangs head into desk*

That's a pretty cool photo, though.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2011 05:05 AM (0vDuM)

52 war plane shot down over Libya Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 09:03 AM (penCf) Yeah "apparently" it belonged to the "Rebel" forces and they shot down their own aircraft.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2011 05:07 AM (0GFWk)

53 funny

Obama Follows PalinÂ’s Lead On Libya

But this Wednesday, Benjamin Korn, director of Jewish Americans for Sarah Palin, had a post in the New York’s The Sun coining the phrase “Palin Doctrine.”

In an article titled “Palin Doctrine Emerges as Arab League Echoes Her Demarche on Libya,” he writes: “The call by the Arab League for Western military intervention in an Arab state — in this case asking that a UN ‘no-fly zone’ be imposed over Libya — is not only without precedent but it puts in formal terms what Gov. Palin stated three weeks ago should have been America’s response to the political and humanitarian crisis now unfolding there.”


Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 05:08 AM (penCf)

55 Thanks all. I expect to see them get offsite power to components at the site today. They got it to the plant yesterday and today they will be rewiring feeds that were taken out by the tsunami.

Since there will be no more "ohm y God the noooklear is melting down we're all gonna die", what I expect to see from the MFM is scare stories about spinach and milk.

LOL, it reminds me of the days when I was a kid and the stories going around about Sr-90 and Cs-137 in the milk at school.  All that from above ground atomic testing.

I used to get a lot of free milk until the teachers caught onto the scam.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 05:12 AM (M9Ie6)

56

He's a big boy now     

and my breakfast plate went flying...must clean the rug.   good one Heather.  Haven't laughed  like that, in a loooooooong time.  thanks for the giggle.     

Posted by: pitchforksandpowder at March 19, 2011 05:14 AM (GStPL)

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 05:15 AM (penCf)

58 I had my own melt down yesterday. It got up to 86°F and I got porch rocker time. Saw my neighbor down the street working on his house so went down to share a beer with him.

He broke out a bottle of Crown Black. It was all over after that.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 05:16 AM (M9Ie6)

59 http://www.world-nuclear-news.org
Insight to Fukushima engineering challenges

A pretty good article on all the challenges the engineers and operators faced at the two plants over the last week.  It is good to hear that they have gotten water to the cooling pond on unit 3 and will be working on unit 4 shortly.  The other bit of good news is that units 1-3 are all less than 100C, so they have finally turned a corner there.  I think that now that they have some power and the right spraying units that this mess will quickly fade from view.  The fact that some spinach and milk have some contamination above background isn't unexpected at this point. There is no need to stop buying milk or spinach because the tainted stuff will never make it to market.  Cows are great concentrators of bad things like PCBs and low level nasties, but milk is test ten ways from Sunday so you won't be getting them in your cereal.

Lets take the wins and be thankful that there is light at the end of the crisis tunnel.

Posted by: Sandy Salt at March 19, 2011 05:17 AM (VW9Wz)

60 AP once again polishes Michelle's dick in an article:

The trip risks being overshadowed by ominous developments in earthquake-ravaged Japan, where officials struggled to prevent a meltdown at a damaged nuclear power plant, and in Libya, where a defiant Gadhafi warned international troops Saturday that they would regret intervening. Obama departed Washington just hours after endorsing military action against the strongman's regime, leaving an array of military might at the ready and raising the prospect that he would have to authorize military action from a foreign land. Leaders from the Arab world, Africa, the United States and other Western powers were holding urgent talks in Paris on Saturday over possible military action.

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 05:20 AM (penCf)

61 I'm ranked #169 in the AoS basketball pool.  Which surprisingly is not even nearly the bottom.  WTF were some of these assholes doing?

Posted by: Truman North at March 19, 2011 05:20 AM (8ay4x)

62 Just like a real POTUS! He's a big boy now! Pretty soon we can exchange the SpongeBob pull-ups for real big-boy Underoos!  *bangs head into desk*

Yeah. Jump for joy, another war.

Those Americans who've been disturbed by America's tax dollars funding most of the UN exploits wanted to see other nations put up their shares of costs doing business. Even GWB sought an international coalition before launching into the Afghan and Iraq never ending military engagements. I just don't follow the line being drawn by warmongers insisting that the US must be the dominant war implementation globally, desirability left aside, as if the US could actually fund and fight every war simultaneously around the world.

Posted by: by any other name at March 19, 2011 05:21 AM (H+LJc)

63 With most of the bad news over, this Sunday is spring training baseball.  Don't really care who is playing because it will be in the 80s and sunny with seat right on the dugout.  There are few things better than a sunny day, cold beer, and baseball, except a brisk fall afternoon, cold beer, and college football.

For all the doom and gloom life is still happening and the appearance of Godzilla is postponed for another day.  I wonder if the appointed head of the NRC feels like an ass for being so apocalyptic in his testimony to Congress.  I seriously doubt it because just like everyone else in this administration they actually believe there are no consequences for their dumbass behavior, so I doubt we will be seeing any apologies or retractions any time soon.

Vic is was good to hear that you tore it up. Everyone needs to blow off a little steam now and then.

Posted by: Sandy Salt at March 19, 2011 05:24 AM (VW9Wz)

64 a brisk fall afternoon, cold beer, and college football.


This, is the reason for living (besides family/kids - but heck, they love college ball too!)

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 05:26 AM (penCf)

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 05:30 AM (penCf)

66 WTF were some of these assholes doing?

I watched one game all season, between two teams who couldn't win 10 conference games combined, and I'm 93rd.

If I'd swallowed my hate and gone with Kansas, my Sweet 16 would be intact. Fucking Kansas.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2011 05:30 AM (0vDuM)

67

Honey, why is the new bathroom installed upsdie down?

Um...Vic came over?

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 19, 2011 05:33 AM (gJNMj)

68

So the FDA wants to ban menthol cigarettes.

80% of black smokers smoke menthol cigarettes.

Anybody think Obama is gonna let his FDA piss off his base?

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 05:35 AM (7+pP9)

69 Oh yes, we're boned.  Pull quote from Mark Steyn's latest piece which begins with a little riff one might call The Boy from Ipanema . . .

"America is the brokest country in history. We owe more money than anyone has ever owed anyone. And Obama and Reid say relax, that’s no reason not to spend more — because the world hasn’t yet concluded we have no intention of paying it back. When they do, the dollar will collapse, like those buildings in Sendai. When that happens, it will make a lot of difference whether Americans react like the Japanese or Louisianans."

He talks about our Katrina experience versus the Japanese and the tsunami.

Posted by: E = mc� at March 19, 2011 05:36 AM (4sQwu)

70 Ed

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - Removing menthol cigarettes from the market would benefit public health because the minty flavoring has led to an increase in smokers and makes quitting harder, a Food and Drug Administration advisory panel said Friday.


LOL, all you smokers better keep an eye on this one. This is the first step in an outright ban for all of them. After which they will have to find something else to tax the living shit out of. probably evil sugar.

BTW where is their evidence? Where is the MFM asking them for their evidence?

Not going to see either. Just an unsupported allegation and more regulation.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 05:39 AM (M9Ie6)

71 It is good to see life returning to normal after a week of craziness.  What the hell is the Joker up to these days?  Jetting off to Rio and then on to Ireland.  He is getting us involved in Libya a day late and a dollar short if you getting involved.  The rebels are down to their last hold out and will be killed shortly, so at this point the No-Fly is mere gesture for the jester.  It really sucks to have such a no-load for president (notice no one uses the term of leader of the free world when referring to the Joker).   The really sad part of all this is that it is better than 50-50 that the Joker gets a second term, when it should be less than 10%.  America has truly lost its mind and until we beat some sense back into them enjoy the ride to hell in a hand-basket.

Posted by: Sandy Salt at March 19, 2011 05:43 AM (VW9Wz)

72

Vic, I saw the report the other day saying the radiation had been detected on the west coast, but being a billion times under health risk, how do they know that even came from japan being almost background level? Or just more talking from the ass?

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 19, 2011 05:48 AM (FIDMq)

Posted by: momma at March 19, 2011 05:48 AM (penCf)

74
Strategies To Exploit Uncertainty in Tobacco

After taking control of tobacco regulation in 2009, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is investigating the use of menthol in cigarettes. Its tobacco panel, the Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee (TPSAC) is due to report its findings by March 23, 2011, and the FDA will issue a binding ruling after that. We envision three ultimate outcomes: menthol is banned (6% probability); no action is taken against menthol (16% probability); no ban, but tighter regulation (78% probability).

With a ban on menthol a potential outcome, investors have reason to harbor concerns about the future of  Lorillard , the maker of Newport menthol cigarettes. However, based on our conversations with anti-smoking lobbyists, FDA officials, tobacco executives (including Altria CEO Mike Szymanczyk and Lorillard CFO David Taylor), and representatives of smokers' rights groups, we think a ban is unlikely for the following reasons: The scientific evidence being considered by TPSAC is ambiguous; A black market for menthol cigarettes could emerge, limiting the FDA's ability to oversee the category; Tax revenues for governments at all levels would be impacted; Eighty percent of African-American smokers consume menthol products, so this issue has a racial component.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 05:50 AM (7+pP9)

75 This is the first step in an outright ban for all of them.

Second step.  First step was when they banned cloves in 2009, same bill as Obama's tax hike on tobacco.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2011 05:51 AM (0vDuM)

76 Based on recent events and the likelihood, I am going with ass on this one.

Posted by: Sandy Salt at March 19, 2011 05:52 AM (VW9Wz)

77 I'd need to look it up, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a ban on just cloves...it was all "flavored" cigarettes except menthols were specifically exempted.  Cloves just stick out in my mind because there were Obama-voters on my Facebook feed who used to smoke them, and seemed surprised that a party who spent decades demonizing "big tobacco" might actually enact bans on their products after the South started voting Republican.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2011 05:54 AM (0vDuM)

78

@72 With the proper kind of instrumentation you can tell exactly what is there due to the how energetic the gamma/x-rays are from decay -- in other words they have unique energy signatures. And they can be detected down to very very low levels through good radiochemistry.

Some, radiosotopes are no longer found naturally so yes you can discern that it is man-made depending on what radioisotopes were released of course...

Posted by: Lonny Eckert at March 19, 2011 05:58 AM (pyWwh)

79 Your
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Posted by: Jerry at March 19, 2011 05:58 AM (xUbho)

80

The trip risks being overshadowed by ominous developments

Really? Meaning nuclear radiation, tsunamis, earthquakes, debt, joblessness, gas prices, war, revolution et al might overshadow his VACATION?

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2011 05:59 AM (nTVp/)

81 Morning all....

If anyone is interested, Palin is speaking in India today.  You can follow the live stream here:  http://tinyurl.com/4asnav2

Niall Ferguson is either speaking right now or already spoke (I can't tell from the site).  I would have loved to hear him.  He's the historian that spanked Mika and Joe one morning on their show.

Posted by: Tami at March 19, 2011 06:01 AM (VuLos)

82

If anyone ever thinks that people have realized what a tool barky is, go to yahoo comments. It's not that they are in love with him it's that they are so incredibly stupid.

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2011 06:01 AM (nTVp/)

83 Or just more talking from the ass?

They probably did an air sample from about 30K feet and counted it in one of those super-sensitive counters that gives the micro-Currie content and breakdown per nuclide on a graph.

And there is no way to separate out what is from Japan vs what is still up there from the 50s unless they did a "before and after" on enough samples to show an increase of more than statistically different. That is hard to do at this level.

And I can tell you at least from the 70s there was still a lot of hot shit up there. We used to take swipe samples on the intakes for the jets and count them.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 06:03 AM (M9Ie6)

84
And I can tell you at least from the 70s there was still a lot of hot shit up there. We used to take swipe samples on the intakes for the jets and count them.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 10:03 AM (M9Ie6)

Wow, amazing how long stuff can linger in the atmosphere, thanks.

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 19, 2011 06:08 AM (FIDMq)

85 So is Obama in bed with big oil, is he fighting Qudaffy so he can get oil, is he influenced by the neo-cons (jews), how many innocent civilians is he killing? These questions need to be answered.

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2011 06:10 AM (nTVp/)

86 I have no doubt that American engineers will meet the challenge and learn from all this. They will get control of the honey badger beast that is Nuclear Energy. New better rector vessel designs using newer metals and concrete formulations. Blast  pressure release panels built into outer structure and other methods to control the realease of hydrogen gases. New Spent Storage methods including vessel containment.
  New minimum emergency cooling specs like Gravity fed (lake/man made lake) or Quick Fill Tower water tanks that will be capable to maintain a flow for the cool down duration.  Mandatory Mobile at the ready power supply via land or air lift with built in plant remote power link hubs to connect to.
 

Posted by: melvin at March 19, 2011 06:11 AM (3OCZw)

87

Heh.

13.35 Worth repeating here is Al Jazeera's translation of the letter, read out earlier today, from Col Gaddafi to Barack Obama, the US President.

"To our son, his excellency, Mr Baracka Hussein Obama. I have said to you before, that even if Libya and the United States of America enter into a war, god forbid, you will always remain a son. Your picture will not be changed. I want you to remain in the same image. I have all the people of Libya with me, and I'm prepared to die and we have all the men, children and women with me. Nothing more. Al Qaeda is an armed organisation, passing through Algeria, Mauritania and Mali. What would you do if you found them controlling American cities with the power of weapons? What would you do, so I can follow your example."


Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 06:17 AM (7+pP9)

88

It would be interesting to know the amount he got from Quadaffy. I have a funny feeling Mubarak didn't send enough

I doubt if Mubarak and K'Daffy would have sent in donations under their own names..

...but I will check OpenSecrets.org to see what if any came from AMTD (Amalgamation of Tryannical Dictators) Locals 567 and 982

Posted by: beedubya at March 19, 2011 06:17 AM (AnTyA)

89

Is this a big story?:

Hamas fires dozens of rockets at Israel

Palestinian militants in Gaza fired more than 50 rockets into Israel on Saturday, the heaviest barrage in two years, Israeli officials said.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 19, 2011 06:28 AM (7+pP9)

90 What would you do if you found them controlling American cities with the power of weapons? What would you do, so I can follow your example."

When is Daffy leaving for Brazil?

Posted by: Shannow at March 19, 2011 06:39 AM (ehPhE)

91
Is this a big story?:

Hamas fires dozens of rockets at Israel

Palestinian militants in Gaza fired more than 50 rockets into Israel on Saturday, the heaviest barrage in two years, Israeli officials said.

  Think of the cost savings we would enjoy by wiping out Two Evil Empires and their killer society followers all at once. We have everything all the tools in place. They're practically on the same street.

 *** Hot and Fresh *** French Dassault Rafales and Mirage 2000s seen in and over Libya possible action happening now

Posted by: melvin at March 19, 2011 06:41 AM (3OCZw)

92

I doubt if Mubarak and K'Daffy would have sent in donations under their own names..

Probably not but who knows? I think they were getting money from every scumbag on earth using any name that occured to them.

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2011 06:41 AM (nTVp/)

93  Now in Libya   -  French in the airspace now with Military Aircraft

Posted by: melvin at March 19, 2011 06:43 AM (3OCZw)

94 Vic, you know Nuclear power and are a Pittsburgher (I think I remember that).

Westinghouse by any chance?

Just curious.  My dad worked on the fusion program for 25+ years before it got canceled in the early '80's.

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 19, 2011 06:44 AM (Rn2kl)

95 Vic, you know Nuclear power and are a Pittsburgher (I think I remember that).

Westinghouse by any chance?

I have been to Pittsburgh to the WOG meeting but I am not from Pittsburgh.  That is a beautiful city though. 

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 06:58 AM (M9Ie6)

96

For G-ds sake world, don't interfere with the Obama's vacation, He is exhausted you know and needs a well earned rest.  Ungrateful Lot don't you know who I Am Barak Obama, be proud of me.

prayers for the people of Japan.

Posted by: willow at March 19, 2011 07:09 AM (h+qn8)

97 Hamas,  blankety blank blank. blank blank blank blan...

Posted by: willow at March 19, 2011 07:12 AM (h+qn8)

98 Run for your lives they found radioactive Iodine in the water in Tokyo!

2.5 becquerels which is 6.756756757 x 10-11Curies

I am surprised they were even able to detect it. One wonders what the readings were before the accident.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 07:31 AM (M9Ie6)

99 wormme has a new post ... and acknowledges the morons here (though doesn't call them that)

http://fwd4.me/xxZ

Posted by: bill at March 19, 2011 07:52 AM (D6qOQ)

100 I'm guessing they'll be finding all kinds of negligible radioactivity that will be blamed on the reactors.  It seems to be a very organized effort to use this crisis ... though it may backfire if smart folks reveal how out there our dear journalists and activists have been on this.

Wormme has some great stuff ... I've been reading back and reading his comments along with the posts.  Liked the point that we are fighting "statistical deaths", when there are no real deaths, and may not be.  People afraid to go outside for fuel or food might die, when they were really safe.  FOX had some guy on last night afraid to go out of his house.

Posted by: bill at March 19, 2011 07:59 AM (D6qOQ)

101 So they found 10-11 Ci Iodine in the water. One wonders if people know that normal drinking water averages 10-10 Ci of radium in it.

And if you are in a part of thye country with a lot of granite it is higher.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 08:07 AM (M9Ie6)

102 FOX had some guy on last night afraid to go out of his house.

Posted by: bill at March 19, 2011 11:59 AM (D6qOQ)

Fox has been even worse than CNN for this event. As far as I am concerned they are just another part of the MFM.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 08:08 AM (M9Ie6)

103 I was kinda disappointed ... it seemed Hannity and others were towing the line, perhaps from management, to give the activists a forum as legit.  Either FOX or CNN had a Chernobyl survivor on saying "get out get out ... 50 miles is not enough." 

Beck was pretty good, and O'Reilly admitted there was hype, even on FOX.  But most don't seem to want to give the real experts much time, but put on more of those with an obvious anti-nuke agenda.

I'd like to hear someone talk up how durable these old plants were, and how we need the clean and safe energy, and we need Yucca Mountain opened up.

Posted by: bill at March 19, 2011 08:26 AM (D6qOQ)

104 Beck was pretty good, and O'Reilly admitted there was hype, even on FOX.

LOL, I liked Beck's M&M fuel rod. I kept waiting for him to pop one in his mouth a say "fuel pellets;melts in your mouth not your hand".

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 08:31 AM (M9Ie6)

105 Does anyone else feel that idiot (Chair of NRC) that spoke before congress should be fired? It seemed the hysteria around the world reached a fever pitch after he testified when he contradicted that Japanese assessment. Was there any accuracy in what he said?

Posted by: Long Island at March 19, 2011 08:47 AM (TiURi)

106 Does anyone else feel that idiot (Chair of NRC) that spoke before congress should be fired?

He did just what Obama told him to do. Keep in mind that all Dem appointments to the NRC are anti-nuke moonbats.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 08:49 AM (M9Ie6)

107

Yes Vic scintillation detectors can dig down to crazy low levels. However, one thing about the Iodine measured in/near Tokyo. I would imagine that some of Japan's finest nuclear medicine facilities are located there. And yes they do use I-131 in nuclear medicine for diagnostics and treatment. If curious google around thyroid ablation I-131.

Do not be surprised if there is an increase in the amount of radioiodine detected onsite or near-site of the reactors once the operators successfully get their low pressure systems back into service (RHR).

As for the NRC Chairman (and Surgeon General) being held accountable, EVERYONE involved should be held accountable for what they did or didnt do. The NRC will undoubtably charter an investigation looking into this in great detail and it should be done with at least some of the experts not being government employees. The Chairman and Surgeon Generals actions should be part of their charter.

Posted by: Lonny Eckert at March 19, 2011 09:28 AM (pyWwh)

108 If curious google around thyroid ablation I-131.

My wife has had thyroid cancer and radiation treatments. I was still working at the time and I had to let them know at work. Every morning when I went to work I had to go through the whole body detector before I went inside the plant.

That was the only way they could prove that if I got contaminated that it didn't come from the plant. (even though there should have been no I-131 on site anyway).

As for the NRC "investigating" the council itself and the chairman, good luck with that one. I suspect there will be a whole host of new regulations coming down in about 6 months, 99% of which are totally worthless.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2011 09:49 AM (M9Ie6)

109 "a whole host of new regulations coming down in about 6 months, 99% of which are totally worthless."

Oh ... I'm getting it now ... besides the hype being "anti-nuke", it is "pro-bureaucracy".  We just can't survive unless we have five times the number of bureaucrats and 30 times the number of lawyers per capita than Japan or other countries.

ALL activity must be run through their detectors, where they detect any possibility of income or profit, and remove it.

Posted by: bill at March 19, 2011 10:06 AM (D6qOQ)

110 Just listening to a press conference by the fire department chief responsible for dowsing for unit 3.  He said that at some point during the operation, the radiation from unit #3 dropped to near zero.  He said this would indicate that they were successful in covering the spent fuel rods.

Another spokesman mentions 500uSv (micro Sv) but unsure if before or after the operation.  Translator implied this was the reading before the operation started.

Fire chief said that the greatest dose recorded by any member of the operation according to dosimeter readings was 27mSv (mili Sv)

Posted by: crosspatch at March 19, 2011 02:17 PM (ZbLJZ)

111 Ok, subsequent report says the radiation level at the site overall dropped by 500uSv after the spraying operation at unit 3 was complete.  That might be where that 500uSv number came from.

Posted by: crosspatch at March 19, 2011 03:14 PM (ZbLJZ)

112

Summarizing note to all:

Add this to the list of things where nothing really happened but you still freaked out over and will completely ignore the next time you want to freak out about the sky falling.

Posted by: Entropy at March 21, 2011 08:51 AM (IsLT6)

113 So...will anything please you herd of sheep?or is it all slap and jeer.I thought Glenn Beck was a syncopatic blubbering idiot but you mother fuckers take the biscuit.You are not worthy of calling yourself Americans.

Posted by: pooh at March 22, 2011 11:19 AM (47OiY)

114 Sorry..'sycophantic'.

Posted by: pooh at March 22, 2011 11:23 AM (47OiY)

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