December 07, 2011
— Ace Drew wondered why Jen Rubin wasn't gleeping over the Trump debate.
He reasoned she was taking a pass on the subject because Mitt Romney had not yet declined, and that the moment he did, she would then start talkiing about how awful it was, and how everyone involved was a clown.
See, she wanted to say that. But as she's Romney Super Fan #1, she couldn't say that. Not until Mitt actually opted out of the debate.
At any rate, Drew predicted that perfectly, as well as her eventual use of the word "clown" to disparage the event.
That's Slublog's excellent photoshop.
Odd Divergence In Blogger and Blog-Reader Preference: If Rick Perry only had to get bloggers' support, he'd be doing okay (and Romney would be in bad shape).
I wonder why that is. We tend to read the same things.
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Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:31 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: huerfano at December 07, 2011 08:33 AM (7wEgI)
At this point I am hoping Perry shows up packin' heat and just blows the rest of em away. Couldn't get any weirder than it already has..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 08:33 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 08:33 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: McLovin at December 07, 2011 08:33 AM (j0IcY)
Posted by: Jennifer Hugh Rubin-Hewitt at December 07, 2011 08:34 AM (6JXYv)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 08:36 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Kathleen Parker at December 07, 2011 08:36 AM (ELznH)
The solace I take is that Romney's campaign is a failure despite having far more money and establishment endorsements. All these journalists struggling to help Romney won't save him.
Everyone has had a chance to consider Romney by now. Those who reject him are very, very unlikely to ever vote for him.
Shame Perry's campaign is losing badly too. I'll still vote Perry, but I think the nation is not ready to elect an actual conservative. They need someone who will use government the best to take care of problems. They don't even recognize the superiority of someone who doesn't need to do that.
Posted by: Dustin at December 07, 2011 08:36 AM (rQ/Ue)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 08:36 AM (IGkEP)
Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at December 07, 2011 08:37 AM (s+J9D)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:37 AM (AZGON)
I think:
1. It is a mistake for Romney not to go.
2. It's a shame that the entire field of candidates can't make a unaminous decision -- either they all go or none of them go. Instead this debate has caused what we least need -- further division in the party.
3. I have no problem with Trump's debate.
Posted by: a personal appeal from soothsayer at December 07, 2011 08:37 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 08:38 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 08:38 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Have Blue at December 07, 2011 08:39 AM (IKTC8)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 08:39 AM (r2PLg)
Romney's decision says either he's scared that the debate will do more harm than good to his candidacy or it tells us he's so confident in getting the nomination he doesn't need it.
My instinct tells me it's the latter.
Posted by: a personal appeal from soothsayer at December 07, 2011 08:39 AM (sqkOB)
Damn extremists with all their talk about balancing the budget!
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 08:40 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: ParisParamus at December 07, 2011 08:40 AM (bN5ZU)
Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at December 07, 2011 08:41 AM (s+J9D)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:41 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 08:41 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 07, 2011 08:41 AM (XBUdh)
Posted by: ParisParamus
...........
I was kinda thinking about that.. Just because Rubin is a scrunt who's in the bag for Romney doesn't make her wrong about the Trump clownfest.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 08:41 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 08:42 AM (IGkEP)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:42 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 08:43 AM (r2PLg)
Romney's decision says either he's scared that the debate will do more harm than good to his candidacy or it tells us he's so confident in getting the nomination he doesn't need it.
His hair is intimidated.
Posted by: Donal Trump's Forehead Merkin at December 07, 2011 08:43 AM (G+Ksr)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:44 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at December 07, 2011 08:44 AM (Qmfjq)
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 08:45 AM (97AKa)
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Posted by: Jimmah at December 07, 2011 08:45 AM (TMeYE)
The hand-wringing over this debate should be a major concern for us.
This is not a major decision, nor is it some potential disaster that will offend the People's sensibilities.
We have lost perspective and we need to get it back, stat.
Posted by: a personal appeal from soothsayer at December 07, 2011 08:45 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: brett favre at December 07, 2011 08:45 AM (+56Bh)
Harry Morgan died...he was 96.
I remember him as Bill Gannon, Sgt. Joe Friday's partner on Dragnet.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 08:46 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:46 AM (AZGON)
This Rubin person is horning in on my turf! but she's a piker.
Mitt's decision was simply magnificent, and anyone who denies it is not to be trusted as an analyst. Top that.
Posted by: Huge Hewitt at December 07, 2011 08:46 AM (K/USr)
Posted by: maddogg at December 07, 2011 08:46 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of
a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:44 PM (AZGON)
But that was due to over-regulation!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 07, 2011 08:47 AM (i3+c5)
the show stopped being a comedy when Maclean Stevenson left
it turned into a dramedy
it got worse when Trapper left, and then even worse with the arrival of Charles Emerson Winchester III.
Posted by: a personal appeal from soothsayer at December 07, 2011 08:48 AM (sqkOB)
What's depressing is that this screwed up, overrated caucus may be our only hope. Now that's depressing.
Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 12:36 PM (IGkEP)
I think Perry can stay in if he just finishes in the top 3 (or even top 4 if those 4 are all closely bunched) considering where he will have come from in the polls to get to that point.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 08:48 AM (rLhp2)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:48 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Vote for me I'll set you Free! at December 07, 2011 08:49 AM (xqpQL)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:49 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: devilish at December 07, 2011 08:49 AM (3eTJD)
You know where Romney went when he was of draft age during Vietnam? France.
That's right, where John Kerry went too. Only Kerry at least spent six hours in combat first. Even John Kerry is more manly than Romney, who starts crying for Andreson Cooper to save him from the debating genius of Rick Freaking Perry (sorry, I like Rick, but come on).
Romney couldn't even handle a fairly mild follow up on Fox News. The most predictable crap in the world.
Romney is afraid of Donald Trump speaking plainly on Romney's horrible record. Romney has appreciated MSNBC and CBS not having anything critical to say of it.
There is a reason the establishment pushed up early state elections. There is a reason the GOP establishment happily arranges all these debates with liberal news networks: they like big government. They want Romney to succeed because they need that big government to line their pockets with the money they steal from your kids and your grandkids.
I don't like Trump, but Romney's reason for avoiding him are entirely self preservation. I can only imagine this sissy dealing with Russia or Iran.
Posted by: Dustin at December 07, 2011 08:51 AM (rQ/Ue)
Uhhhh . . . .
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 08:51 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:52 AM (AZGON)
Iowa. He wins Iowa - and he's got a real shot - it's a new ballgame.
What's depressing is that this screwed up, overrated caucus may be our only hope. Now that's depressing.
Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 12:36 PM (IGkEP)
Perry's going to do a bus tour through Iowa, pretty much non-stop through the end of the month. Anita is scheduled to campaign for him as well. Ron Paul is doing a lot of town halls, Santorum has one on the 9th; Newt doesn't have a stop scheduled until the 14th; Romney is only scheduled to be in Iowa for the debate on the 10th along with the rest of them.
60% of caucus voters say they can be persuaded to support another candidate. More than half say they want to eliminate HUD and the EPA. A flat-tax, reducing business regulations and taxes are also other big concerns.
There is some hope in all that for Perry, but he is going to have to have one hell of a ground game there. Hard to find any news about local political leaders and what they are doing.
Posted by: jimmuy at December 07, 2011 08:52 AM (/JzSK)
I don't hold that against Rubin, though I really am annoyed with her other ugliness: her need to spew propaganda endlessly.
Of course women who depict themselves with exaggerated caricatures are doing that for a reason.
Posted by: Dustin at December 07, 2011 08:52 AM (rQ/Ue)
I wonder why that is. We tend to read the same things.
Because you want me. You know you want me, bad boy.
Posted by: That Chicken at December 07, 2011 08:52 AM (6T8Ay)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of
a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:44 PM (AZGON)
But that was due to over-regulation!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 07, 2011 12:47 PM (i3+c5)
the right people made money. the right people...
Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 08:52 AM (136wp)
21OMG - I just googled Jennifer Rubin.. Accck!
ay caramba! do not try this at home
She wouldn't be half bad in waitress outfit.
Posted by: Mike James at December 07, 2011 08:52 AM (E5gnO)
drew, what is the "odd" divergence in blogger and blog-reader support for the GOP candidates? It appears from your link that the two are about the same. At least if you look at the results of your polls on this site, they are similar. The bloggers support Newt, Perry, and Romney in that order. HQ supports Perry first and the blog reader polls here still have Newt barely in front of Perry, even with the top down attempt to turn their support.
Thus it seems that internet wide blog readership is likely in line with the bloggers when it comes to support of the GOP candidates.
Posted by: Doug at December 07, 2011 08:53 AM (gUGI6)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 07, 2011 08:53 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: maddogg at December 07, 2011 08:53 AM (OlN4e)
Gabe, if you had responded to the RWN poll would you have done so with your views or asked Ace for his?
Not trying to be confrontational or trollish here. I actually saw the poll at Althouse and followed her link to see who had responded and was surprised to not see the AoS's listed.
I know (and expect it to be so) that the co-bloggers won't all have the same views, but would sort of expect that the blog would "speak" with Aces views when it speaks publicly.
Posted by: Have Blue at December 07, 2011 08:54 AM (IKTC8)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:54 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of
a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:48 PM (AZGON)
Wait, did I miss something?
Posted by: Johnny Corzine at December 07, 2011 08:54 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 12:41 PM (f9c2L)"
But much like her boss, Rubin didn't say it was a clownfest when everyone else did. She said it last, after it was safe to do so. Reminds me of Romney's endorsement of Rubio, six months after everyone else had done it.
Yes, he was right, but he did it wrong.
Posted by: Dustin at December 07, 2011 08:55 AM (rQ/Ue)
I can only imagine this sissy dealing with Russia or Iran.
Yeah, he'd be worse than me!
...wait, what?
Posted by: Barack Obama at December 07, 2011 08:55 AM (G+Ksr)
The window movers...
Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 08:55 AM (136wp)
Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at December 07, 2011 08:56 AM (s+J9D)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:56 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2011 08:57 AM (XE2Oo)
I think Perry can stay in if he
just finishes in the top 3 (or even top 4 if those 4 are all closely
bunched) considering where he will have come from in the polls to get to
that point.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 12:48 PM (rLhp2)
Oh, Perry's in for the long haul. I'm guessing at least #2 in Iowa in a shocker and a long slog up the biased push polls and despite the establishment asshats in the GOP..
Posted by: observer at December 07, 2011 08:57 AM (Mxxjl)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 08:57 AM (AZGON)
Here you are
Posted by: Mike James at December 07, 2011 12:56 PM (E5gnO)
Ummm, I'm raping her with my mind, right now...
Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 08:57 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at December 07, 2011 08:57 AM (7hwUm)
Posted by: Lady in Black: still voting for Perry (He has the best hair.) at December 07, 2011 08:57 AM (ycuSb)
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 12:51 PM (Hx5uv)
Quotes:
Keeping things simple and vague has worked so far
In some ways, it's reminiscent of Jimmy Carter's 1976 promise
Sorry, but where I come from being compared to Jimmy Carter aint no compliment.
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 08:58 AM (97AKa)
Posted by: embittered redleg at December 07, 2011 08:58 AM (CuPwN)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 08:58 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Sandra Bernhard at December 07, 2011 08:58 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Ken Royall at December 07, 2011 08:59 AM (9zzk+)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 09:00 AM (IGkEP)
@ 91 Why is it okay for Ace, Hot Air, Red State, and Free Republic to all run "I hate Mitt" blogs, but it's absolutely horrible to have one blogger out there who supports Mitt?
It's part of a long-term project for increasing property values across the blogosphere.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 07, 2011 09:00 AM (+inic)
She wouldn't be half bad in waitress outfit.
.........
Are you looking at the Jennifer Rubin the actress pics?
Try Jennifer Rubin - Journalist.. then get back to me..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 09:00 AM (f9c2L)
Oh, Perry's in for the long haul.
I'm guessing at least #2 in Iowa in a shocker and a long slog up the
biased push polls and despite the establishment asshats in the GOP..
Posted by: observer at December 07, 2011 12:57 PM (Mxxjl)
From your keyboard to the election gods' ears...
Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 09:02 AM (rLhp2)
WTF, Rick Perry, is this?
http://tinyurl.com/7wqx4cv
The derisive line about gays serving openly in the military and the tone he said it in was bad enough; but the intentional palms down, disapproving body language, followed by palms up, approving "open" body language when talking about children openly celebrate Christmas was uncalled for.
I obviously support the latter, but the former I found disgusting. F U, Rick Perry.
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 09:02 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2011 09:02 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: embittered redleg at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (CuPwN)
Because he sucks and blows. Any other questions?
Posted by: jimmuy at December 07, 2011 09:03 AM (/JzSK)
I don't think he even has to win Iowa. If he can finish 2nd or even a very close 3rd and then finish no lower than 3rd in NH he'll probably pick up some momentum.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 07, 2011 09:03 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2011 09:03 AM (i6RpT)
Oh, Perry's in for the long haul.
I'm guessing at least #2 in Iowa in a shocker and a long slog up the
biased push polls and despite the establishment asshats in the GOP..
Posted by: observer at December 07, 2011 12:57 PM (Mxxjl)
From your keyboard to the election gods' ears...
Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 01:02 PM (rLhp2)
I'm expecting mucho virgin sacrifices meat-sack!
Posted by: Cthulu at December 07, 2011 09:03 AM (136wp)
Disgraceful.
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 09:04 AM (YiE0S)
Why is it okay for Ace, Hot Air, Red State, and Free Republic to all run "I hate Mitt" blogs, but it's absolutely horrible to have one blogger out there who supports Mitt?
In Ace's defense, he hates everyone.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 07, 2011 09:04 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at December 07, 2011 09:05 AM (BbX1b)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 09:06 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 09:07 AM (r2PLg)
Was a crotch grab included? I got your days serving openly, ritch 'ere.
Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 09:07 AM (GTbGH)
Sorry, but where I come from being compared to Jimmy Carter aint no compliment.
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (97AKa)
One point for Cousin Jimmuh. He was a disaster of a president (and a sucky governor of Georgia before that too, btw), but I never thought he actually hated the country that elected him president for all the other stupid stuff he did and believed. I sincerely believe that the current Bastard-in-Chief does indeed hate this country. And that's as close to saying something nice about Carter as I'll ever get.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 09:08 AM (rLhp2)
Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 09:08 AM (WkuV6)
Hugh Hewitt has been having Rubin on a lot lately, and yet Hugh claims he's not endorsing anyone
Hugh's been very fair to the not-Romneys but he's slowly turning back into the Romney hack we all know and love, heh
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 09:08 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2011 09:09 AM (l9zgN)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 09:09 AM (AZGON)
Don't distract me, I'm totally telepathy-bonking the hell out of this fat chick in a veil.
Posted by: That banana at December 07, 2011 09:09 AM (BbX1b)
No damn way, that was sure as hell planned. It's a 31-second commercial, for cripe sakes.
But either way, he clearly expressed his disapproval at one and approval of the other. If that's how he feels about Americans who are gay and especially those who serve in the military who are gay ... and he thinks explicit contrasts between that and his love of children is an acceptable tactic ... then I hope he continues to get crushed, embarrassingly, because he's become an embarrassment.
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 09:09 AM (YiE0S)
In this day of psychokinetic sex assault, it's best we take no chances.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 09:10 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: embittered redleg at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (CuPwN)
it's okay for Rubin to be a hack, but her hackery is embarassing. it's no secret this blog is a pro-Perry blog, but we've had stories on perry's missteps and we don't have threads that pratically yell 'perry, please let me sleep with you!"
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 09:10 AM (yAor6)
That you have a thing for me?
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 09:10 AM (YiE0S)
"Reading your post, I rolled my eyes and pantomimed jacking off. What does that tell you?"
You have eaten too many cucumbers.
Posted by: Iranian Mullah at December 07, 2011 09:11 AM (G+Ksr)
I obviously support the latter, but the former I found disgusting. F U, Rick Perry.
Posted by: Random
..
It's called "expression", dildo.. palms down=disapproving.. which is exactly what his words are saying.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 09:11 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2011 09:11 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: an unnamed sheikh at December 07, 2011 09:11 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Max Power is still desperately clinging to Perry at December 07, 2011 09:12 AM (q177U)
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 09:12 AM (YiE0S)
'Course, there was no greater attack on religion than by the anti-Prop 8 crowd in CA. So, you know, it's all happy under the Rainbow. As long as you have the right thoughts.
Posted by: jimmuy at December 07, 2011 09:12 AM (/JzSK)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 09:14 AM (r2PLg)
Very nice! It's like I could almost see your penis! Now, there is a glory hole in front of you! Continue...
Posted by: Marcel Marceau at December 07, 2011 09:14 AM (BbX1b)
Posted by: Errol at December 07, 2011 09:14 AM (vewos)
'Course, there was no greater attack on religion than by the anti-Prop 8 crowd in CA.
im anti-Prop 8, pro religion, and anti-judicial activism
but im in FL so...
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 09:14 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 09:15 AM (IGkEP)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 09:16 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 09:16 AM (rLhp2)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2011 09:16 AM (l9zgN)
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:09 PM (YiE0S)
The evangelical vote is decisive, disunited and up for grabs in Iowa. He needs the state if he wants to make a comeback. What do you expect him to do? March in a pride-parade?
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 09:16 AM (97AKa)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 09:18 AM (AZGON)
Im pro-gay marriage and pro DADT repeal and Im not offended by Perry's views on it, and oh yeah im not for Perry currently. So yeah not sure what there's to be up in arms about
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 09:19 AM (yAor6)
Jennifer Rubin, David Frum, and Peggy Noonan walk into a bar. The bartender says "Hey, are you some kind of joke?"
Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 09:19 AM (136wp)
Let the commercial speak for itself. I don't see how it helps him more than hurts him. See HA comments for the "fail" reaction to this effort.
Oh Noes!!! I literally LOLed. Are you
Posted by: Max Power is still desperately clinging to Perry at December 07, 2011 09:20 AM (q177U)
The evangelical vote is decisive, disunited and up for grabs in Iowa. He needs the state if he wants to make a comeback. What do you expect him to do? March in a pride-parade?
Perry could have done what Newt did, and did a positive ad; except instead of about America, about American's Christian heritage and, say, Christian soldiers serving in the military.Instead, he chose to weirdly combine a pro-Christian ad with slagging members of the military on active duty during wartime.
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 09:20 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 09:20 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2011 09:21 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 09:22 AM (z0HdK)
Posted by: Willard Romney at December 07, 2011 09:22 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: izoneguy at December 07, 2011 09:23 AM (i6Neb)
What the fuck are you even talking about? A comercial celebrating christian soldiers? WTF? That is the single stupidest idea I have ever heard on this blog, and that is saying a lot...
Posted by: Max Power is still desperately clinging to Perry at December 07, 2011 09:23 AM (q177U)
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:20 PM (YiE0S)
It always helps to have a visual of someone posting. Here is a picture of Random (SFW):
Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 09:23 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Bob Saget at December 07, 2011 09:23 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 07, 2011 09:23 AM (447Af)
Odd Divergence In Blogger and Blog-Reader Preference: If Rick Perry only had to get bloggers' support, he'd be doing okay (and Romney would be in bad shape).
I wonder why that is. We tend to read the same things.
Bloggers are the new MSM! The blog-readers are revolting! Truly revolting.
Posted by: CJ at December 07, 2011 09:24 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2011 09:25 AM (RJ+Gu)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2011 09:26 AM (r4wIV)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 09:26 AM (AZGON)
I don't think that's limited to Iowa.
"Campaign Carl" Cameron said his sense is that the evangelicals and Tea Party types are willing to compromise and what they really seem to want is a candidate that will slap Obama around. Newt seems to be that man, to them.
"Campaign Carl" is telepathic.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 07, 2011 09:26 AM (+KHIt)
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2011 09:27 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 09:27 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:20 PM (YiE0S)
But thats the point, isnt it? He has to show that he's more evangelical, more Christian, more Moses than Newty-Pie. So he tries to out-Santorum the frontrunner, since social issues are definitely Newts soft spot. Bland, positive adds just wouldnt do the trick.
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 09:28 AM (97AKa)
Then soldiers of whatever faith at the soon upcoming Christmas, and showed them in a religious ceremony of some type, such as a field service. All the while, while talking about America`s Christian heritage.
Far better than disapproving of gay soldiers.
Lots of people will be rubbed wrong by that. It was gratuitous and unnecessary. No one was under the impression Perry supported gays in the military, but it's unnecessary to highlight this in his ad.
Lots of service members have no problem with gays, and lots of Republican voters too. CERTAINLY whatever a person's thoughts are on gays, many are willing to give deference to those putting their lives on the line in combat.
There's no good reason to publish an ad disapproving of them. A bit of decorum would have been nice.
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 09:28 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 07, 2011 09:28 AM (447Af)
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2011 09:28 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 09:28 AM (AZGON)
Time for some wet slapping sounds in the County Jail showers. Scumbag.
Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry at December 07, 2011 09:29 AM (gQLr2)
Rubin would be a more effective Romney supporter if she weren't so obvious about it.
Like a lot of the sneaky stuff the Romney team does, their plans make sense on paper but the execution is awkward.
I'm not all that convinced that Romney sucks worse than most of the rest of this very sucky field, but I do worry that his campaign team can be pretty crappy in some of their tactics .
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 07, 2011 09:30 AM (epBek)
Posted by: dagny at December 07, 2011 09:30 AM (vY0c7)
NBC News - Jerry Sandusky has been taken from his home in handcuffs by the PA Centre County DA
where's Paterno's handcuffs?
*runs*
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 09:30 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: deadrody at December 07, 2011 09:31 AM (b2D8X)
Please tell me they weren't Fisher-Price handcuffs.
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of
a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 01:28 PM (AZGON)
He'll be making some friends in jail, tonight...
Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 09:31 AM (136wp)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 09:31 AM (r2PLg)
No. He doesn't have to do that. He needs to be verbally sharp like "Newtie-pie".
The slightest hint of that ability will put him back at current Salamander levels.
A little more of the so-con stuff will drop him even further.
This is not one of those pure and holy election cycles.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 07, 2011 09:31 AM (+KHIt)
Posted by: Concerned Conservative Christian at December 07, 2011 09:31 AM (/JzSK)
Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 07, 2011 01:28 PM (447Af)
I really do admire most of the bloggers I read. Ace especially. I can see how some could become somewhat detached. You take part in enough conference calls with campaigns and, you know...
Posted by: CJ at December 07, 2011 09:31 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 09:32 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 09:32 AM (AZGON)
NBC News - Jerry Sandusky has been taken from his home in handcuffs by the PA Centre County DA
Brooklyn has its own football/gay/molesting scandal. Yesterday and today it was above the fold at the Daily news. It's really sick stuff. My husband was "warned" early and escaped the actual sexual abuse but not the abuse rained on those who didn't bend over for this perv. http://tinyurl.com/73g7a5w
Posted by: dagny at December 07, 2011 09:33 AM (vY0c7)
tools like Hugh Hewitt maintain that his testiness was a good thing. I'm not kidding, he actually praised his blustery, pecksniffian performance.
well remember Hugh claims hes not backing anyone until June, pfft, right *rolls eyes*. As I stated before Hugh was fair to the guys not named Romney but w/ his boy losing support he's freaking out and starting to show some hackery, same thing with Gibson.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 09:33 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: dagny at December 07, 2011 09:33 AM (vY0c7)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 09:34 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at December 07, 2011 09:34 AM (Qmfjq)
First, since when did the majority view in the Republican party be for gays serving openly in the military? IIRC, GOP voters wanted to keep DADT.
Second, the ad is not about slamming gays in the military, but about aligning with the priorities of the majority of conservative voters. The point of the juxtaposition in that sentence between the gays serving openly in the military and children openly celebrating Christmas is to say that Obama's priorities are screwed up.
The point of that ad is to appeal to socons. There's nothing wrong with it and nothing wrong with a GOP candidate objecting to the administration's push to repeal DADT.
Posted by: Y-not at December 07, 2011 09:35 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 09:35 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: dagny at December 07, 2011 09:35 AM (vY0c7)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 09:35 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 09:36 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 07, 2011 01:31 PM (+KHIt)
Look, I actually agree with you concerning this election and in general Im not much of a socon. But its Iowa we're talking about and considering that every top tier candidate has some problem with social issues, Perry might see it as a useful niche to boost his numbers. I dont think it will work, but I guess that this is the rational of the Perry campaign.
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 09:37 AM (97AKa)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 01:35 PM (yAor6)
Oh, no, Perry should drop becuase he appealed to people who think like him..
Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 09:37 AM (136wp)
Yeah, Soros is a capitalist. To deny such one would have to be an ignorant Beckerhead.
Grow up. Everyone you disagree with is not a "commie", although Fox News has begun calling Warren Buffett a socialist and even (RIP), Steve Jobs.
Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 09:41 AM (z0HdK)
Military is not the place for social engineering. It was never intended to be. DADT was awkward, but it served the purpose.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 07, 2011 09:42 AM (SAMxH)
Then soldiers of whatever faith at the soon upcoming Christmas, and showed them in a religious ceremony of some type, such as a field service. All the while, while talking about America`s Christian heritage.
Far better than disapproving of gay soldiers.
Lots of people will be rubbed wrong by that. It was gratuitous and unnecessary. No one was under the impression Perry supported gays in the military, but it's unnecessary to highlight this in his ad.
Lots of service members have no problem with gays, and lots of Republican voters too. CERTAINLY whatever a person's thoughts are on gays, many are willing to give deference to those putting their lives on the line in combat.
There's no good reason to publish an ad disapproving of them. A bit of decorum would have been nice.
As someone who's against an open gays in the military policy, yeah, you have a point. If he wanted to go negative, he could have said the same thing without seeming to go after actual servicemen (while Obama has allowed homosexual activism in our military . . .
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 07, 2011 09:42 AM (epBek)
When the car crashes, rubes, the crash test dummies don't all fly out in exactly the same direction. LOL.
Stay classy, conservatives. Barack sends His love and His appreciation too. Heh.
Posted by: David Axelrod at December 07, 2011 09:46 AM (f8XyF)
In addition to talking about Christian heritage, Perry could have expressed disapproval of Obama using the military for social engineering experiments, without expressing disapproval of, by name, "gays serving openly in the military."
Most Americans aren't gay. However, most know gays. Most like at least one or two gays, or have them in their family. This wasn't smart politics.
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 09:48 AM (YiE0S)
You moron. He was a 14 yr old Jew. If he didn't pretend to be a Nazi they would have sent him to an oven.
Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 09:48 AM (z0HdK)
Thanks -- I actually agree with Perry on the gay-military thing, too.
This country has gone so far PC, though, that I'm surprised I'm still legally allowed to admit that.
I'm favoring Newt, but I actually like Perry's "gut instincts" better.
I agree with you and also think it won't work -- even in Iowa. Those people (Idiots Out Wandering Around) aren't nearly as conservative as they're portrayed as a group.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 07, 2011 09:48 AM (+KHIt)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 09:48 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 09:50 AM (r2PLg)
Hmm.
Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 09:50 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 07, 2011 01:48 PM (+KHIt)
Election projection (one of the best electoral prognosticators) has their first presidential projection for Iowa in 2012 as a Moderate Dem Hold
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 09:51 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 09:52 AM (WkuV6)
Perry's ad may be what he needs in Iowa, but it's pretty toxic in the general elections in key demographics (e.g., Pennsylvania suburbanites).
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 07, 2011 09:53 AM (epBek)
Thanks for the courtesy, however I'm not gay or in the military. I just see Perry's ad as really stupid politics, and disrespectful to gays I know. Any gay, or straight, or Christian or Jew, or atheist or pagan, Republican or Democrat, serving in the military has my respect for that.
As I said above, this ad could have been straight-out pro-positive-Christian-heritage, or it could have even attacked OBAMA for interfering with the military, but to express disapproval toward the military members themselves is just dumb and offensive.
EVEN IF gays serving openly in the military is a serious policy flaw (Sparta seemed to do alright, as does Israel and other nations), the politically smart thing to do when you're scrounging for GOP votes is to go after Obama on this, NOT a small but courageous group of the US military ... who, whatever you think of the current state of the law, are now serving openly and LEGALLY. It's not their fault if the law is wrong: they're just following it.
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 09:55 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 09:55 AM (evdj2)
The Pew poll finds that Republicans overall are closely divided on DADT repeal, 40-44. But the breakdown of Republicans is striking. It finds that “moderate” and “liberal” Republicans strongly favor repeal, 62-26. The only reason Republicans are closely divided at all is because conservative Republicans oppose it, 28-52.
This is the Republican primary. When Romney and Bachmann decided to paint Perry as a liberal, he had to tack right.
Sure, we all know gays. That has nothing to do with whether or not it was wise policy to rush repeal of DADT and implementation of gays serving openly. To suggest otherwise is a liberal argument based on emotion.
Posted by: Y-not at December 07, 2011 09:55 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: I/1027th of a Janitor at December 07, 2011 09:55 AM (tazG1)
Hayek is still great though. Cato invited Soros to speak at its recent Hayek tribute.
Collectivism is a cancer on capital.
Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 09:58 AM (z0HdK)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 10:04 AM (r2PLg)
Guess I shouldn't express any views on gays in the military, since my view goes back to my service 40-some years ago. Different era.
But I support Perry and his viewpoint 100%.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 07, 2011 10:05 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Burke at December 07, 2011 10:05 AM (wmdMN)
Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 10:06 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: tasker
Give me $50 and I let you slap him twice, third slap is free.
Posted by: Gmac at December 07, 2011 10:06 AM (k2Fyd)
We accept "X"; why do we as a country have a problem with "Y"?
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Truthfully, that's exactly as I heard it.
I still don't see where the alleged personal attack on servicemen is supposed to be. Perhaps they could have changed the script from (paraphrasing) 'gays openly serving in the military' to 'repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell' -- which would make it more clearly about the policy, not the people. But even as written and filmed, it is not an attack on anybody.
Posted by: Y-not at December 07, 2011 10:10 AM (5H6zj)
I think Perry's body language strongly belies his "acceptance" of it. Palms down, disapproval; followed by quick opening of palms, approval (of children).
Whether planned (of course it was rehearsed! It's a 31-second spot and they have body language experts, for goodness sakes) or not, there was nothing in Rick Perry's tone or demeanor to suggest "acceptance".
Yes it could be read that way -- had he delivered it completely different. But even if this was a highly likely double meaning mistake, you gotta watch out for those things in politics; you really do. This is a scripted set-piece commercial, not an off-the-cuff moment.
Even if Perry meant, "We accept gays serving openly in the military," it is apparent to me he was also communicating his personal disapproval.
Now wouldn't an ad like I suggested above (as derived from some of the comments by other commenters mentioning the President) going after Obama for tinkering with the military's social culture during wartime be better than what you saw here?
Because I'm hardly the only person that saw it this way.
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 10:10 AM (YiE0S)
And Rick Perry, still? Really?
Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 07, 2011 01:23 PM (447Af)"
Why would you be happy about blogs being irrelevant? Are you just trolling?
And yeah, Rick Perry. One of the best governors in the country. Why shouldn't he had support? He's got the best plan for the country, too.
Is he going to win? No. But supporting someone because he's popular is pathetic.
Posted by: Dustin at December 07, 2011 10:11 AM (rQ/Ue)
Don't care. I support capitalists like Soros.
And 217 - I can't imagine being a 14 yr old Jew in Nazi territory.
Well, guys, its been fun. The next Hayek day might bring me back.
Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 10:12 AM (z0HdK)
Guess I shouldn't express any views on gays in the military, since my view goes back to my service 40-some years ago. Different era.
But I support Perry and his viewpoint 100%.
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What can your military service mean when compared to 'body language experts?'
/sarc
The country is indeed upside down when being opposed to the repeal of DADT is supposedly a death knell in the Republican primary.
Posted by: Y-not at December 07, 2011 10:14 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 10:16 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 10:25 AM (YiE0S)
Worst, most offensive ad so far this year. You seriously think independents are going to vote for this guy? He is not going to win any swing state. He is not going to win anything. If anything, this is just material for late night comedy shows.
DanStark on December 7, 2011 at 1:36 PM
The ad is drawing a distinction between the tolerance extended to gay military members on the one hand, and the lack of tolerance for people of faith on the other. ItÂ’s not so much a DADT issue being raised here, but rather Perry calling out the Democrats on their hypocrisy.
Throat Wobbler Mangrove on December 7, 2011 at 1:43 PM
Jesus christ. For all of Carney’s innovative use of metrics in campaigning, this ad really makes me question if he’s got any business working a national. “Oh, well Iowan Republicans are largely evangelical, so let’s appeal to that with the subtlety of a steamroller!”
galenrox on December 7, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Whatever you can call the add, a political winner it is not.
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 10:34 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Wrong About Rubin at December 07, 2011 10:39 AM (ocHBO)
You're basing that on Hot Air commenters' remarks?
The ad is generating attention (as gauged by your fascination by it) and is clearly an appeal to conservative GOP voters, who are overwhelmingly opposed to the repeal of DADT (by more than a 2:1 margin).
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