December 27, 2011

Job Interviewers Now Asking Brain Teasers Questions
— Ace

When I saw the headline, I thought, How fun, and how right up my alley, because I'm an Intelligent, Creative Person who is Quick-Witted and can easily answer such questions and make millions of dollars. So everything's looking up for ol' Ace.

But they all left me stumped. In a real interview, I would have babbled.

Question 5, which should, according to my own self-conception, play right into my self-perceived strengths, leaves me with my mouth hanging open in stupidity.

I'm just never going to get a real job, am I?

More at the WSJ, and answers (whether real "this is correct" answers or interesting answers for a question without a real answer) here.

A friend went through these questions when he was seeking work as a consultant. Apparently these questions have been standard in that business for a while. Among the questions I remember him mentioning was the now-infamous Monty Hall question, and "Estimate the mass of an empty 747."

My only insight into that one is that a 747 floats, and I can guess that it would sink approximately one third of the way down, and then I guess you could estimate its gross volume and then multiply by the mass of water, x 1/3. I don't know if that's the right answer. (He wasn't sure about his own answer -- he just guessed and babbled -- and no one ever told him the right answer.)


Posted by: Ace at 09:18 AM | Comments (137)
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1

Barack Hussein Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Alte Schule at December 27, 2011 09:20 AM (MLJu8)

2 Posted by: Alte Schule at December 27, 2011 01:20 PM (MLJu
Hmmm, a question and an answer rolled into one.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 27, 2011 09:21 AM (i3+c5)

3 If you find yourself in a locked room with a Progressive Liberal ( un-named so as not to threaten someone), Hitler, Stalin and a gun with 2 bullets, who do you shoot?

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 27, 2011 09:23 AM (i6RpT)

4 They all kind of remind me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a7C2EtErYQ

Posted by: Brendan at December 27, 2011 09:24 AM (2jQGY)

5 Gee, Ace, the bear is white because you're at the North Pole and it's a polar bear!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 27, 2011 09:25 AM (sHY5w)

6
  The progg, twice. Hitler and Stalin are already dead.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 27, 2011 09:25 AM (SAMxH)

7 >>>Gee, Ace, the bear is white because you're at the North Pole and it's a polar bear! I'm great at all the questions I already know the answer to!

Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 09:25 AM (nj1bB)

8 >>3 If you find yourself in a locked room with a Progressive Liberal ( un-named so as not to threaten someone), Hitler, Stalin and a gun with 2 bullets, who do you shoot?


You line all three up side to side and fire one shot through the heads of all three. You use the 2nd shot to "unlock" the door.

Posted by: Dwight Schrute at December 27, 2011 09:27 AM (Sh42X)

9 >>>ow in Satan's Unholy name is anyone supposed to estimate the mass of an object or vehicle unless they have access to its basic dimensions? It's an estimation game. You don't know how long a 747 is but I imagine you can estimate its length by thinking about it in comparison to a football field. They want to hear how your brain works when confronted with an out of the blue question. There's not so much a real answer as a spectrum of less thoughtful to more thoughtful answers.

Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 09:27 AM (nj1bB)

10 I know what is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow is.



No I don't.

Posted by: eleven at December 27, 2011 09:27 AM (lU2av)

11 I actually don't know the right answer or the right insight into how you're supposed to estimate it.

Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 09:28 AM (nj1bB)

Posted by: andycanuck at December 27, 2011 09:28 AM (sHY5w)

13 If you find yourself in a locked room with a Progressive Liberal ( un-named so as not to threaten someone), Hitler, Stalin and a gun with 2 bullets, who do you shoot?

I will use one shot to shoot Hitler in the face, the other to shoot Stalin in the dick while simultaneously shooting the progressive liberal in the face.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 27, 2011 09:28 AM (tf9Ne)

14 I would say a 747 is about 10,000 toasters, and a toaster is about 4 pounds.

So 40,000 pounds.

Posted by: eleven at December 27, 2011 09:29 AM (lU2av)

15 Ohhhh brain teasers! I love brain teasers! Here's a fun brain teaser for Google!

 How is it that a company that self righteously assumes the motto "Don't be evil," helps a repressive regime like China censor political dissent on the internet?

Answer: Google is run by a bunch of fascist dickbags who will gladly record, store, and misuse your personal information anytime you use any of their applications.

Seriously, fuck Google. It is the most untrustworthy company on the planet. I never use ANY of their shit.

Posted by: Warden at December 27, 2011 09:30 AM (qHAbo)

16 Yeah, a lot of places call them personality tests, i'm guessing they have data showing that if a question is answered a certain way it's a clue to how you'll be on the job and they're trying to weed people out without getting sued for discrimination or whatever. The first time i saw them was when i applied for a seasonal job at Home Depot, must've done pretty good because i got 3 call backs in just a few days.

Posted by: booger at December 27, 2011 09:30 AM (EjNp5)

17 Sad thing is, these questions, having NOTHING to do with the job you're interviewing for, can lose you the job.

That, my friends, is pretty fucking dumb.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 09:31 AM (UK9cE)

18 If a job interview burns and crashes, where do they bury the survivors?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 27, 2011 09:31 AM (sHY5w)

19 If you find yourself in a locked room with a Progressive Liberal ( un-named so as not to threaten someone), Hitler, Stalin and a gun with 2 bullets, who do you shoot?

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 27, 2011 01:23 PM (i6RpT)


I'd line em up front to back and hopefully take em all out with one shot.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 09:32 AM (UK9cE)

20 Who would work for Google to begin with? I would rather suck farts out of seat cushions for 25 cents a sniff than work there.

But seriously, I am damn surprised they get away with those questions and don't get sued to death by the NAACP.

My old company doesn't even do job applications anymore.

Posted by: Vic at December 27, 2011 09:32 AM (YdQQY)

21

What's a henway?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at December 27, 2011 09:32 AM (d0Tfm)

22 It occurs to me you can estimate the diameter of the 747 by recalling (or guessing) the length of the rows. I think it's like 3 seats, aisle, six seats, aisle, three seats. You can then guestimate the length of each seat and aisle, and then you have your diameter.

Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 09:33 AM (nj1bB)

23

20+ years ago when I was asked to interview for a job at Microsoft, I was asked why man hole covers were round and how many gas stations there were in the United States.

I had heard the man hole question before so shot off about 8 really good answers and replied to the gas station question with a free market capitalist response of there is not a set number as new ones keep opening and closing due to market dynamics, blah, blah, blah.  The lady who asked, who I think had majored in interpritive dance, did not seem to get that answer.

Bottom line, they offered a job and I turned it down.  And that is why I am not currently work optional.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at December 27, 2011 09:33 AM (C2//T)

24 What's a henway?
Blue.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 27, 2011 09:34 AM (sHY5w)

25 "Estimate the mass of an empty 747."

So they're looking for an employee that can make a wild assed guess rather than just look up a simple fact?

Posted by: nickless at December 27, 2011 09:34 AM (MMC8r)

26 of course I can't remember the formula for volume of a tube.

Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 09:34 AM (nj1bB)

27 It occurs to me you can estimate the diameter of the 747 by recalling (or guessing) the length of the rows.

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at December 27, 2011 09:35 AM (npr0X)

28 I think it's like 3 seats, aisle, six seats, aisle, three seats. You can then guestimate the length of each seat and aisle, and then you have your diameter.

Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 01:33 PM (nj1bB)



But you'd really need the circumference, would you not?  And a 747 isn't round, so there will be a variant from the actual circumference, but may get you close.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 09:35 AM (UK9cE)

29 Questions you shouldn't ask at your job interview:

1. How many sick days do I get? Am I allowed to call in sick if I'm hungover or will I need to lie about it?

2. Your secretary is pretty hot. Is she single? Does she enjoy a finger in her ass during sex? If so, how far in?

3. Do you do a lot of team projects, and if so, can you point out any perfectionists on staff who will pick up the slack for me during March Madness?

4. Are you wearing that cheap looking suit because they don't pay you enough? Because I want to get paid a lot.

5. Can I borrow a pen? I only like the kind with black ink and a gradual taper toward the tip. Go ahead and let whoever orders that shit know so I don't have to yell at anyone on my first day.

Posted by: Warden at December 27, 2011 09:35 AM (qHAbo)

30

I'm just never going to get a real job, am I?

Why on earth would you want one of those?

I don't mind these type of questions as much as I do the whole interview tricks to see how you handle stress.  Years ago, I was going to a second interview that I had been told three or four times would be only with person X.  I specifically asked if it would be a group interview and was told it would not.  As I was being escorted down the hall to the interview, I was told "oh person X is in court so it'll be a group interview".  I very nearly turned around and walked out but I decided what the hey might as well go through with it.  When it came time for me to ask questions, the first thing I asked was "I'm curious, do you think that I do not read the same interviewing articles that you do that say to tell someone it's going to be a solo interview and then throw them into a group interview to see how they react?"  There was a good few seconds of blank stares and then some embarrassed laughter.  I ended up turning down that job offer and one of the reasons I gave was that if this is how I was being treated in an interview, I did not want to think about the games that would be pulled on me as an employee.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 09:36 AM (VtjlW)

31 Interviewers at law firms like to ask all sorts of stupid-ass question. A couple of real examples: what kind of tree would you be and if you could invite any five historical figures to a dinner party, who would they be. This is so they can create the illusion of really interviewing you, when all they're doing is satisfying the career services office's requirement that they give 80% of the class some hope when they're just gonna hire out of the top 20 anyways.

Posted by: Xander Crews at December 27, 2011 09:36 AM (ht6OV)

32 Martha Stewart, Oprah, your wife. You gotta fuck one, kill one, and marry one, who do you pick?

Posted by: Dale Doback at December 27, 2011 09:36 AM (Sh42X)

33

A train leaves the station at 3:15 Friday afternoon with an Ewok, a Thai tranny, a big bottle of Valu-Rite and a case of pudding cups.

How long will it take the bailbondsman to arrive at Precinct 113?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at December 27, 2011 09:37 AM (d0Tfm)

34 >>>But you'd really need the circumference, would you not? And a 747 isn't round, so there will be a variant from the actual circumference, but may get you close. Well they're not looking for the exact number, which could just be looked up. They want to see how you confront an unknown, and build towards it by assembling as many knowns (or estimated) as possible. The GMAT test for business school has a whole section on this concept, but it's more rigorous (there really are right answers) and hence a little easier.

Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 09:37 AM (nj1bB)

35 3. Do you do a lot of team projects, and if so, can you point out any perfectionists on staff who will pick up the slack for me during March Madness?

I actually had a team meeting that I called to address some issues, and one guy didn't bring in anything but a pen and a piece of paper.  The paper wasn't for notes, it was his bracket.  He couldn't understand why I wasn't very pleased about that.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 09:38 AM (UK9cE)

36 The mass is the same as Obama's IQ....Zerooooooooooooooo

Posted by: Wall_E at December 27, 2011 09:38 AM (48wze)

37 Ace-
I have the answer to question 5. 
5. A man pushed his car to a hotel and lost his fortune. What happened?

It was a Chevy Volt that ran out of charge after 30 miles.  He pushed it to the hotel's parking garage, where it still had enough residual charge to catch fire and burn the place down, resulting in a huge judgement against him.  What do I win?

Posted by: pep at December 27, 2011 09:38 AM (6TB1Z)

38 Cool, a job thread.

Just resigned the gig I hate this morning.

Have to be in South Carolina by 1/16/2012.

Posted by: Scott J at December 27, 2011 09:38 AM (KC2BE)

39 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:38 AM (8y9MW)

40

Question to prospective employee:

Will you steal our office supplies?

Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2011 09:38 AM (wuv1c)

41

My answer to all the questions: "You're an asshole."

or "You drive the black Lexus right?"

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 27, 2011 09:39 AM (qwK3S)

42 Martha Stewart, Oprah, your wife. You gotta fuck one, kill one, and marry one, who do you pick?

Don't look good for Oprah.  Just sayin.

Posted by: eleven at December 27, 2011 09:39 AM (lU2av)

43 The mass of a 747? Hmmm... let me just get my iPhone out here and do a quick calculation on this sweet app I downloaded at the Apple store.

What? The interview is over? What the hell, dude! I haven't even given my answer yet!

Posted by: Warden at December 27, 2011 09:39 AM (qHAbo)

44

Was there an answer to the blender question? If you're the size of a nickel, why wouldn't you just lay down on your side? You would be under the revolving blades.

 

Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2011 09:39 AM (wuv1c)

45 Ben that's what I thought, but seems pretty boring.

Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 09:40 AM (nj1bB)

46 What is snew?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at December 27, 2011 09:40 AM (d0Tfm)

47 Martha Stewart, Oprah, your wife. You gotta fuck one, kill one, and marry one, who do you pick?

Posted by: Dale Doback at December 27, 2011 01:36 PM (Sh42X)



Fuck Martha, kill the wife and marry Oprah.  Money makes the world go round, my friend, and you'll never have to fuck Oprah.  You can come up with why the wife dies, I'm sure.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 09:41 AM (UK9cE)

48 Ben Nelson is retiring.

Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2011 09:41 AM (wuv1c)

49 WTF? I'm applying for the janitorial position.

Posted by: Dale Doback at December 27, 2011 09:41 AM (Sh42X)

50 "Now" asking brain teasers? Dude, my scoutmaster when I was a kid 15 years ago was a rocket scientist and he told me a few he asked at interviews.

5 years ago I interviewed with Microsoft, and they asked me this good one, which I thought I nailed, but alas, no callback:
We are making glass balls and we want to know how much they can take before they break. We have a 100-story building, and we'd like to know the exact floor from which, if you drop them, they will break. You have 2 balls at your disposal. How would you test them so that you conduct the fewest number of tests.

After I gave the correct answer, he asked me to prove mathematically that my solution was the best. (Nailed that, too.)

Posted by: JoeInMD at December 27, 2011 09:42 AM (Xwgt3)

51

This is great news. I'm in!

Time they stop focusing on stupid crap like my bad credit and OUI.

 

Posted by: The M.I. Double Tizzle at December 27, 2011 09:42 AM (ozpOn)

52 Lol @ #33. Yeah I remember campus interviewing the same way

Posted by: brak at December 27, 2011 09:42 AM (giiOr)

53

>>Ben that's what I thought, but seems pretty boring.

 

I guess the real question is if you're a silver nickel or a new money nickel?

That changes everything.

[taps finger on nose three times]

Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2011 09:42 AM (wuv1c)

54 f course I can't remember the formula for volume of a tube.

Probably something like length x pi x r^2. where r is the radius of the base.

That doesnt account for the tail, wings, etc, though. Guess you'd have to add that in. A 747 also has the bubble thing on top for the first class, so that'd add to the volume.

The questions are simply designed to make you look at a problem from all possible angles, Especially number 1. Most people will try and deduce a pattern from the numbers (obvious). Others will derive a mathematical formula from them (are they logs? square roots?) - less obvious. The correct answer there is weird. I wouldn't have thought of that one in my lifetime.

Posted by: lorien1973 at December 27, 2011 09:42 AM (usXZy)

55 I really think these kinds of questions are stupid.  If you want to observe my critical thinking abilities, ask me a question related to what I'll be doing.  This kind of crap wastes time and can exclude candidates who would actually be excellent for the actual duties you wish them to perform.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:43 AM (8y9MW)

56 My father told me he once showed up for an interview and was left to cool his heels waiting in the lobby.

After a half hour, he got up and told the secretary he was leaving because he didn't want to work for a company that didn't respect people's time.

He said he got a call back from them the next day offering him a position.

That was a long time ago, though, when some people had a bit more class.

Posted by: Warden at December 27, 2011 09:43 AM (qHAbo)

57
Does a blender do any damage to a nickel?

Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 09:44 AM (UK9cE)

58

Brainteaser-style questions were all the rage in software company interviews until about 5 years ago, when people started realizing they weren't particularly good predictors of job performance.  That whole approach is frowned upon now: if you want to know if someone can code, ask them to code.  The few brain-teasers I heard on my last interview cycle were clearly coding questions in disguise: where solving the problem required determining and solving the problem in it's simplest form, then solving the "+1" case.

I guess I'm not surprised this is taking off in other places, now that it's pretty much discredited.  After all, if you reject popular approaches to management problems merely because they don't work, you problably wouldn't enjoy a career as a big-company manager in the first place!

 

Posted by: lgw at December 27, 2011 09:44 AM (XkPIA)

59

WTF? I'm applying for the janitorial position.

 

Question: Do you know not to mix Chlorine and Ammonia?

Posted by: Ben at December 27, 2011 09:44 AM (wuv1c)

60 How a Honey Badger would Answer: 1. What’s the next number in this sequence: 10, 9, 60, 90, 70, 66 … ? I don't give a shit! 2. You’re in a car with a helium balloon on a string that is tied to the floor. The windows are closed. When you step on the gas pedal, what happens to the balloon—does it move forward, move backward, or stay put? I don't give a shit! 3. Using only a four-minute hourglass and a seven-minute hourglass, measure exactly nine minutes—without the process taking longer than nine minutes. Asked at GoogleI don't give a shit!fortune. What happened? I don't give a shit! 4. A book has N pages, numbered the usual way, from 1 to N. The total number of digits in the page numbers is 1,095. How many pages does the book have? I don't give a shit! 5. A man pushed his car to a hotel and lost his fortune. What happened? I don't give a shit! Gee, that was easy!

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at December 27, 2011 09:45 AM (fJhBR)

61 If you're the size of a nickel, why wouldn't you just lay down on your side? You would be under the revolving blades.

There is enough convection from the blades that that wouldn't work.  Unless, of course, you removed your pants and relied on pucker power to hold you to the bottom.

Posted by: pep at December 27, 2011 09:45 AM (6TB1Z)

62 These are called Fermi questions, or estimates.

Volume of tube = length x pi x (diameter^2)/4

Posted by: butch at December 27, 2011 09:45 AM (RldTT)

63 I'm with you, Allen @57.

Although I took a whole test of these sort of things as part of an interview back in Nov.

It's 85 questions timed and designed to get you rattled to see how you react under pressure.

They wouldn't share score but I was told I did very well.

Posted by: Scott J at December 27, 2011 09:46 AM (KC2BE)

64 The answers to all those questions is:

   If I get this job and I'm confronted with a real life situation...hmmm.
  
I think I'll walk over and grab a cup of coffee and stare at the female employees' asses in a discrete way while pretending to rifle through a large stack of paper in my hands until lunch.
   Then I'll send an email to whatever superior that is least likely to check their email before quitting time.
  By 9 o'clock tomorrow I'll have forgotten about the whole thing.

Posted by: sifty at December 27, 2011 09:47 AM (WsOiK)

65 Sydney Perry. The only issue in my primaries. http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09ny2ih5vWbmN/610x.jpg http://www.rickperry.org/content/uploads/2011/12/splash_christmas_graphic.jpg

Posted by: Morgan at December 27, 2011 09:48 AM (+CZpT)

66 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 01:43 PM (8y9MW)

I get the feeling it's not about the right answer; but how long you'd spend trying to figure it out. If you are like I don't know immediately, then you aren't a problem solver. If you give it a shot, from different angles - even if you get it wrong - then you are.

Posted by: lorien1973 at December 27, 2011 09:49 AM (usXZy)

67 It's 85 questions timed and designed to get you rattled to see how you react under pressure.

Yeah, I've had those.  Gotten call-backs, too.  The thing about them is they're not good predictors, either.

I like the idea (in IT, at least) of a basic function-based interview, then a one-month "contract-to-hire" period.  Then, when it doesn't work out (most won't), you just don't extend the contract or a perm offer.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:49 AM (8y9MW)

68 Estimate the mass of a 747? How about an answer like, "Call the Boeing PR department. They probably have facts and figures like this at their fingertips. Why repeat work that has been done, more accurately, by people who should know. Alternately, open all the doors, hatches and valves and sink the thing in a tank, measure the volume of water displaced and do some math." Reminds me of a story someone told me when I was going though optometry school. He was a graduate a few years ahead of me and sent me an email after running across a web page I had at the time. He specifically wanted to tell me about a professor that had tried to expell him. He was tasked with getting the design parameters on a ridged gas permeable contact lens for a patient, so he did what doctors usually do: He called the manufacturer with all the needed parameters and got the measurements. That's what they were there for, and this wasn't a test situation but rather in a clinical setting. He was nearly expelled when she found out, as she considered it cheating.

Posted by: Eirik at December 27, 2011 09:49 AM (VYGYG)

69 You ask me the mass of a 747?  I reply for what planet will the mass be calculated for?  And also what is your favorite Color?

Posted by: Wall_E at December 27, 2011 09:49 AM (48wze)

70 Yeah, I'm not going to do well with this kind of an interview.

At all.

However, thanks to Butch, I can now proclaim, "Really, if you want someone who is proficient at Fermi questions, I'm not your person."

That makes me feel more... competent strangely enough.

Posted by: shibumi at December 27, 2011 09:50 AM (z63Tr)

71 If you are like I don't know immediately, then you aren't a problem solver.

Yeah, but sometimes being a problem solver is being able to look at a question, say "this is stupid," and move on.

My real problem with "brain teasers" is that they're exactly the wrong sort of question to ask for problem-solving.  Give me logic puzzles, or actual (sanitized) edge-case scenarios from your business.  But brain-teasers just aren't useful.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:51 AM (8y9MW)

72 What is the airspeed of an African swallow?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 27, 2011 09:51 AM (qwK3S)

73 This is for a federal government job right?

Posted by: ontherocks at December 27, 2011 09:51 AM (HBqDo)

74 Harley Davidson has an interesting  policy in which all new hires are put on a probationary period, at the end of which their coworkers decide whether they stay or go.

Posted by: Warden at December 27, 2011 09:51 AM (qHAbo)

75 Question: Given the opportunity to screw-up, will you?

Posted by: Wall_E at December 27, 2011 09:52 AM (48wze)

76 71 You ask me the mass of a 747?  I reply for what planet will the mass be calculated for?  And also what is your favorite Color?

Posted by: Wall_E at December 27, 2011 01:49 PM (48wze)

Mass is independent of gravity. You must be thinking of weight.

Posted by: JoeInMD at December 27, 2011 09:53 AM (Xwgt3)

77 Harley Davidson has an interesting  policy in which all new hires are put on a probationary period, at the end of which their coworkers decide whether they stay or go.

That's a little more democratic than I'm thinking, but it's part of the equation I think managers should consider when offering (or declining to offer) the extension or permanent status in my scenario.  Nothing but them interacting is going to tell you how this candidate and your current team will interact.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:53 AM (8y9MW)

78 Programming is the hardest thing to predict who's good at it because it's generally something you either have natural ability for or don't.

It's easy to memorize a bunch of crap off the internet and answer tech questions.

The hard part is gauging their analytical skill since any new language or tech can usually be picked up if you have the right mind for it.

Posted by: Scott J at December 27, 2011 09:53 AM (KC2BE)

79 Damn, I don't know how I became a self made multi-millionaire, because I'd never get a job if I took that test.  I feel dumb as a shit wall now.

Posted by: Pipe Holder at December 27, 2011 09:53 AM (VTeUD)

80 The only question I like getting at an interview is Tell us what you have done.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at December 27, 2011 09:53 AM (GTbGH)

81 Harley Davidson has an interesting  policy in which all new hires are put on a probationary period, at the end of which their coworkers decide whether they stay or go.

Posted by: Warden at December 27, 2011 01:51 PM (qHAbo)



Such a novel approach.  I mean, allowing workers to prove their skills in an OJT setting and seeing how they get along with others.


Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 09:53 AM (UK9cE)

82 It's easy to memorize a bunch of crap off the internet and answer tech questions.

The hard part is gauging their analytical skill since any new language or tech can usually be picked up if you have the right mind for it.

Posted by: Scott J at December 27, 2011 01:53 PM (KC2BE)



Geez, man.  Way to demean every tech job out there.

That being said, no...no it's not. 


Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 09:55 AM (UK9cE)

83 Question: Do chem-trails really exist and if so how do you clean them?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 27, 2011 09:55 AM (tf9Ne)

84 Conclusion......Anyone graduating HS or college in the past 10 years does not have a prayer for getting a job. They don't teach meaningful knowledge, just left wing touchy feely shit.......Like don't pull the wings off a fly because it has rights too !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Wall_E at December 27, 2011 09:56 AM (48wze)

85 These questions are still harder than any asked of Barack Obama in 2008.

Posted by: nickless at December 27, 2011 09:57 AM (MMC8r)

86 Give me logic puzzles, or actual (sanitized) edge-case scenarios from your business

Exactly. One of the better interviews I had over the Summer was with a company who's software calculates commission on insurance sales.

So they had several various commission calc scenarios for non-insurance industry for you to write how you'd approach solving the problem and what info not given you might need.

Posted by: Scott J at December 27, 2011 09:57 AM (KC2BE)

87 Geez, man.  Way to demean every tech job out there.

I'm a tech. So I take license.

Posted by: Scott J at December 27, 2011 09:58 AM (KC2BE)

88 The answer is : FYNQ

Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2011 09:58 AM (ZQz4W)

89 #78...Exactly my point. People do not know the difference between mass and weight. Some simple fact we were taught in 8th grade science where today you learn about "Bobby has Two Mommies"....

Posted by: Wall_E at December 27, 2011 09:59 AM (48wze)

90 I mean, allowing workers to prove their skills in an OJT setting and seeing how they get along with others.

You know why more companies don't do this? Because it takes power away from the managers.

I think that any company's annual employee performance reviews should be at least partially generated from anonymous peer to peer evaluation. If you throw out some of the highs and lows to accommodate for grudges and friendships, you would have a far more accurate measure of employee performance than you would from one manager's opinion.


Posted by: Warden at December 27, 2011 09:59 AM (qHAbo)

91 Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 01:53 PM (UK9cE)

Sounds like this approach might not be amenable to quota enforcement!

Posted by: Eric "Red" Holder at December 27, 2011 10:02 AM (i3+c5)

92

"Estimate the mass of an empty 747."

That depends.  Is Meghan McCain on board?

Posted by: Gratis at December 27, 2011 10:03 AM (JpC1K)

93 Estimate the mass of a 747 with Michael Moore sitting in first class.

Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 10:04 AM (iYbLN)

94 Those kind of questions really annoy me, I dislike them and the people who ask them, especially in a high stress situation with a job on the line. I'm afraid I wouldn't respond well.

And since they don't test any damn thing except answering brain teasers, they're just a cruel taunt to people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 27, 2011 10:04 AM (r4wIV)

95
   So what is wrong with asking questions pertaining to the actual job?  Like the ones I got asked applying for my first auto repair position?

  In particular, "This car doesn't run. How would you go about determining why?"  Much more illuminating than determining the mass of a 747,imho.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 27, 2011 10:07 AM (SAMxH)

96    So what is wrong with asking questions pertaining to the actual job?

It doesn't get you free headlines/PR.

Posted by: Warden at December 27, 2011 10:09 AM (qHAbo)

97

I would ask them... If I pulled a pistol right now would you

A. Try to reason with me

B. Try to run away

C. Sit there and get shot

Oh, and when can I start ?

 

 

 

Posted by: the Jackhole at December 27, 2011 10:09 AM (nTgAI)

98 I'd ask the interviewer this question.

"Is the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle?  Or does the chalice from the palace have the brew that is true?"

You've got 5 seconds to answer.  Go!

Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 10:14 AM (iYbLN)

99 I thought it was in the Flagon with the Dragon?

Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2011 10:16 AM (ZQz4W)

100

Second question does not give enough info, it depends on whether the balloon is tied to the INSIDE, or OUTSIDE of the door... somthing the question does not state.

Question about the book is also imcomplete, because they 'normaly' do not Number Title Pages and such... so without that info the answer would be incomplete...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2011 10:22 AM (NtXW4)

101 100 I'd ask the interviewer this question.

"Is the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle? Or does the chalice from the palace have the brew that is true?"

You've got 5 seconds to answer. Go!

Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 02:14 PM (iYbLN)

Its the Flagon with the Dragon not the Vessel of the Pestle... Geeezzzzz....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2011 10:23 AM (NtXW4)

102 What's a mass?

Posted by: Unemployed Guy at December 27, 2011 10:26 AM (DQHjw)

103 I got standards, any employer who asks a lame ass question like the monopoly one is instantly disqualified.  Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Posted by: Bob Saget at December 27, 2011 10:33 AM (SDkq3)

104

Without doing any calculations whatever, I guessed that a empty 747 weighed 200 tons; turns out to be about 300 tons.

What do I win?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2011 10:34 AM (au6dB)

105 101 I thought it was in the Flagon with the Dragon? Posted by: garrett

No no.

At first it was the pellet with the poison is in the vessel with the pestle, the chalice from the palace has the brew the is true.  Then oops!  The pellet with the poison is in the flagen with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!

Presto Chango!

Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 10:37 AM (iYbLN)

106 104 What's a mass?
Posted by: Unemployed Guy

Look in Michael Moore's toilet that should give you an idea.

Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 10:37 AM (iYbLN)

107 91 #78...Exactly my point. People do not know the difference between mass and weight. Some simple fact we were taught in 8th grade science where today you learn about "Bobby has Two Mommies"....     It's worse than that. Even those who are aware of the difference between mass and weight have now to figure out whether or not the interviewer is aware of the difference (which he probably is not).   I once encountered a question on a basic anatomy/physiology exam regarding the osmotic strength of an N molar hemoglobin solution. I'm a chemist, so the question was easy in principle (number of particles in solution), but answering it was hard. Did the examiner know that Hb is a tetramer? Was he aware that Hb at all pH values is multiply charged, and therefore has associated counterions? Hmmmm. Turned out, the answer to all my questions was - no.   Good times. Not.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2011 10:45 AM (au6dB)

108 I would say a 747 is about 10,000 toasters, and a toaster is about 4 pounds.

So 40,000 pounds.

Fail.  Congratulations on your new job as deputy 2nd assistant backup janitor.  4th class.

BTW, depending on the model, the empty weight varies from roughly 400,000 to 600,000 lbs.

Posted by: Job Interviewer #6 at December 27, 2011 10:47 AM (uehxp)

109 Sorry about the funky formating above. Good thing no one asked me how many <CR>s needed here to make a new paragraph.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2011 10:49 AM (au6dB)

110

BTW, depending on the model, the empty weight varies from roughly 400,000 to 600,000 lbs.

So ... 200 tons was right on the money, for some models. Woot!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2011 10:50 AM (au6dB)

111 If you must cast an actor in tights do you go with Danny Kaye or Errol Flynn?

Posted by: Alice's Clone Army at December 27, 2011 10:51 AM (awkov)

112

How about these questions:

1. In what country is Auschwitz?

2. How many states are there?

3. How do you pronounce "c-o-r-p-s-m-a-n?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2011 10:53 AM (au6dB)

113 Which civilian, government, or military variant of 747?

Posted by: mikey at December 27, 2011 10:59 AM (GSeVd)

114 104 What's a mass?

Posted by: Unemployed Guy at December 27, 2011 02:26 PM (DQHjw)

Duh.... its a State where they do things the Right Progresive Way!

Posted by: Liberal Moonbat at December 27, 2011 11:11 AM (NtXW4)

115 How to estimate mass of an empty 747 Hook it up to a aircraft tow vehicle that has a strain gauge. See how much force is takes to accelerate it at a given rate. Since mass = force divided by acceleration, plug those two values into the equation and you get the mass of the plane

Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 27, 2011 11:30 AM (OL4L4)

116 If you find yourself in a locked room with a Progressive Liberal ( un-named so as not to threaten someone), Hitler, Stalin and a gun with 2 bullets, who do you shoot?

You line all three up side to side and fire one shot through the heads of all three. You use the 2nd shot to "unlock" the door.

Posted by: Dwight Schrute at December 27, 2011 01:27 PM (Sh42X)



You guys above think you're so creative.   Hitler and Stalin are dead; that means you're in Hell and no gun is going to do you any good.  



Posted by: boy did you flunk the interview at December 27, 2011 11:41 AM (whMsz)

117 Does a blender do any damage to a nickel?

Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 01:44 PM (UK9cE)



Well, it doesn't really matter, does it, since I said "the size of a nickel," not "the properties of a nickel." Hope you enjoy your future in shreds at the bottom of the blender.   

Posted by: smug interviewer, who couldn't answer a brain teaser to save his life, checking you off his hire lis at December 27, 2011 11:46 AM (whMsz)

118 Well, I' be screwed on any of those questions.  I guess that means I can't work at Home Depot.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 27, 2011 12:08 PM (9U1OG)

119 Fail. Congratulations on your new job as deputy 2nd assistant backup janitor. 4th class.

BTW, depending on the model, the empty weight varies from roughly 400,000 to 600,000 lbs.

Posted by: Job Interviewer #6 at December 27, 2011 02:47 PM

They may have been wrong as to the actual weight but they had the correct  concept of estimating.  That is to take something you know and apply to the problem.  They just thought too small and should have used a larger object whose dimensions and weight they knew.

Posted by: Deanna at December 27, 2011 12:10 PM (pEGBw)

Posted by: pj at December 27, 2011 12:10 PM (DQHjw)

121 The idea, in most cases, is for the individual answering, to break the rules of the question.  It's not about quirky, but you either change the assumed definitions of words, while being precise, or you account for outside influences, that aren't described.

It's your JOB! to handle problems.  That is what EVERY non-union job requires.  That you fix problems, and MOST times, non-traditional methods are applied to make the fix.  The answers grant an "insight" into your work method, which is of course, bullshit.  People who break the mold tend to be jerks, and jerks make lousy employee's in most cases.

Posted by: Douglas at December 27, 2011 12:27 PM (YKOnu)

122 And an empty 747 weighs nothing, since it's an assignment, not a thing.

Posted by: Douglas at December 27, 2011 12:28 PM (YKOnu)

123 @#114 - Those are especially tough when you have to answer in Austrian.

Posted by: Chuckit at December 27, 2011 01:09 PM (OpVsw)

124

How to estimate mass of an empty 747

 

Measure the tire pressure in psi. Measure the tire contact area (in inches) with the tarmac. Multiply.

Posted by: Rmoney Voter at December 27, 2011 01:49 PM (7MFxV)

125

Definitely flawed questions. Series questions are classic. In math class (college level) they explained how if you start of with a bunch of numbers, than you can come up with a pattern that can - quite literally - lead to any number you want next. Motion of a helium balloon? That depends on the reference frame (relative to the car? to the ground? to the rail car the car might be parked on?). The hotel thing? Sounds like a Netflix commercial - complete nonsense. Even the suggestion that you had bought a fortune cookie, put the fortune in your pocket, and it fell out along the way would be legit.

It's remarkable how even the private sector still gloms onto all these stupid little trick that have a proven track record of complete failure, as far as hiring a good employee. It seems to be an "Emporer's New Clothes" situation - the companies have no clue how to do it, so they listen to some idiot with a sales pitch that appeals to their lust for feeling powerful (by bullying and hazing defenseless people).

Posted by: Optimizer at December 27, 2011 01:53 PM (As94z)

126 Q: For interrogating American/Australian/Canadian/English/Irish/Scottish speakers:  Can you impersonate speaking in an alternate other countries inflections, and how smooth and well?   Can they improvise any Sub-dialects too like:  Cockney,  Country,  Ebonics,  L337, Val speak, etc. ?
You are welcome HR Depts of the inter-tubes!



Posted by: MoJoTee at December 27, 2011 03:38 PM (e1kfW)

127 Huh.  Turns out I should have been looking to apply at Google all along, and simply didn't realize it.  These sorts of lateral thinking and challenge puzzles tend to play right into my wheelhouse.

I got all five of the later ones right without looking.  #1 took a minute or so of testing and calculation before shifting to a more horizontal approach, and I was rather incensed at the poor phrasing of the question, since it is not "the" next number in the sequence, but a set of possible answers.  2 was pretty trivial from personal experience, but I've also explained it before to others.

3 took about 30 seconds or so of playing with combinations, 4 was an extremely trivial calculation, and 5 is the sort of puzzle that I love, so it only took me a few moments to realize the pivot words.  If there are any of you who like those sorts of puzzles (like "Johnny wants to go home, but he can't, because the man in the mask is waiting for him.  Explain."), then I can strongly recommend the game "MindTrap".  It contains about 500 of those sorts of puzzles, and builds a game around answering them.

The blender one struck me as fairly obvious, if only because I've been a critic of bad movie physics for decades, and one of the classic foul-ups is neglecting to account for the square-cube law, and I've loved playing with these sorts of thought experiments for nearly my entire life.  But the answer I came up with wasn't to simply jump out blindly, since I value my own life, and I doubt I could accurately estimate where I would be likely to come down, so I wasn't keen on the notion of going out of the frying pan and into the fire. 

So I estimated that, given only 60 seconds to figure out the best course, my most prudent solution was to find a location below the blades where I could wedge myself in, to counteract any prevailing wind from the motion of the blades, and deal with testing the implications and effects of my new-found powers after the blades were turned back off.  But hey, survival is kind of a big deal to me.  Your mileage may vary and all.  Hopefully, if I had been in that interview, the interviewer would have taken into account that I recognized the "best" answer and chose to go a step further in the process.

This sort of interview approach makes a lot of sense to me, especially for companies like Google, who would seem to be the sort who are looking for people who know how to reason well, can think laterally and creatively, and who like to seek out the edges of a given problem.

Posted by: VekTor at December 27, 2011 03:46 PM (N7DZ0)

128 I just cant stop reading this.  Its so cool, so full of information that I just didnt know.  Im glad to see that people are actually writing about this issue in such a smart way, showing us all different sides to it.  Youre a great blogger.  Please keep it up.  I cant wait to read whats next.

Posted by: Hidden Summit epub at December 27, 2011 03:49 PM (KDUx0)

129 #5 was easy.

Posted by: sexypig at December 27, 2011 04:00 PM (wWV5q)

130 And to Optimizer, it strikes me that the point of doing something like this is not necessarily to see that you can get the "right" answer, as it is to give them some insight on how you go about handling unexpected problems.  It's to give them a look at how you go about thinking, rather than what you think.

Strikes me as a rather useful discriminator for certain companies.

Posted by: VekTor at December 27, 2011 04:02 PM (N7DZ0)

131

"Does a blender do any damage to a nickel?"

I don't know about damage to the nickel but the nickel sure plays hell with the blender's glass container.  I once left a spoon in th blender and turned it on.  Mega hole in the side.

Posted by: BarbaraS at December 27, 2011 04:07 PM (a+bNG)

132 Wow i really found this to be an interesting read; thanks for sharing

Posted by: Death Benefit ePub at December 27, 2011 04:07 PM (G70AV)

133 "35

A train leaves the station at 3:15 Friday afternoon with an Ewok, a Thai tranny, a big bottle of Valu-Rite and a case of pudding cups.

How long will it take the bailbondsman to arrive at Precinct 113?

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Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at December 27, 2011 04:50 PM (Q1qy3)

134 You really make it seem so uderstandable with your presentation but I find this topic before really hard to understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me.

Posted by: Down the Darkest Road ePub at December 27, 2011 08:53 PM (f2BIN)

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Posted by: Deep Sky AudioBook at December 27, 2011 09:07 PM (23sJq)

136 The trick here is that if you think finding someone who can answer such foolishness will make a good employee is moronic in the extreme. If you are looking for someone inquisitive and curious, I guess you are just looking for someone willing to try.

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2011 03:44 AM (aT8Zk)

137 I did number four correctly in my head, but I came up with two different answers, 401 and 201. 201 is technically correct because a leaf of paper, though having two different page numbers and writing on both sides, is a page. Therefore, assuming that all pages have typing and page numbers on both sides, 201 would be accurate with the back side of the last page blank. Agreed with deadrody though, while this shows the ability to do free conceptualization in one's mind, that's usually not required for an information worker with a handy-dandy computer in front of them. However, perhaps the idea isn't to see who can answer the question correctly, but to observe the applicants process of handling what might be, for them, an unsolvable problem. Do they curl up in fetal ball and cry for mommy, do they try to bullshit their way through it, or do they remain calm and start trying to break the problem down into solvable chunks?

Posted by: Immolate at December 28, 2011 10:00 AM (0pB27)

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