1 Oh frick.  Just what we need.  A post reminding us that we voted for McCain.  Thanks a whole bunch.  Why do you hate fathers?

2 First?

3 I am getting so tired of  Reach Over the Aisle John.

Can't we send him on a permanent "Habitat for Humanity Project" with Jimmy "Second Worst President" Carter and be done with him?

4 The fact that this man was our nominee the last time around really hammers home how contrary to our interests, as conservatives, the Republican establishment is.

2010 did not come close to cleaning it out, and 2012 won't be enough either. It's a long road back...

5 Darn it. Hey papa Happy Father's Day!

6 God bless Pat Buchanan! 

7 Hey nitwits--we're broke.  The World Police act must stop.

8 McCain gets cranky when his diaper is full.

9 Jeez-
even I find that idiotic.

10 If it had been debated in advance, there might have been a goal, a plan, milestones and stuff -- y'know....the stuff that leads to successful outcomes.

Now all I'm hearing is "President Wing-it has made such a hash of things that you cannot possibly do anything right or it'll throw him off his stride."

11 Can we isolate McCain? Would that be isolationism you could get behind?

12 I have a dream. I this dream Sarah Palin goes to him and says "Retire, or I'll run against you".

13 McCain's definition of "isolationist" is "anyone who has ever had any problems or concerns about any war, ever." Seriously, has there ever been a "crisis" in the world that McCain didn't think could be solved with some US boots on the ground? I'm sorry, but if the term "warmonger" has any meaning whatsoever, McCain is a fucking warmonger. And not just a warmonger, but a warmonger who doesn't give a shit about the Constitution. Sadly, though, GM is right: This asshole would have made a better President than the asshole currently in office.

14 McCain will be a keynote speaker in the Democratic 2012 Convention. Bank on it.

15 I geuss that already happened in the land war of Asia.

16 I don't mind McCain's opinion on the matter, he's entitled to believe that the War Powers resolution is meaningless pap, but his desire to immediately dump on his fellow Republicans just shows how low he is.  It's not even statesmanlike.  There's no honor in fragging your own side.

17 McCain will be a keynote speaker in the Democratic 2012 Convention. Bank on it.

You might be right.  He could do a Zell Miller.  After all, he's good for the next 6 years, and after that, he'll probably retire.

18 Too bad we have 6 more years of McCain. Maybe we'll get some divine intervention.

But we only have 2 more years of Lindsay. Next year you'll see him start playing to the base just like McCain did.

19 Oh, jeez. Not again. Truth is, I'd still vote for him over Obama (obviously), but this asshat really needs to sew his cakehole shut.

It's not even about the substance of the post. It's about the pattern. I'm just sick and damn tired of him.

20 I know the post is dead and gone, but even trashing Stewart and McCain cannot get me past the Fast and Furious post from earlier today. I am so disturbed by it, and have questions that I am afraid have no good answers.

21

Whats really troubling is that "IF" Congress allows Obama to get away with this, using the Pretext that the UN authorized it, so he does not need Congress's approval, it sets a VERY dangerous Precedent for future Presidents.

Especialy seeing as how the UN itself did not follow its OWN RULES.  The UN Charter specificly says they cannot interfere in Internal rebellions within a Member State, and Libya IS a member State.

ergo, this is the US President, taking us into an illegal war, at the behest of an illegal order from the UN.

22 Undeniably.

Denied.

He'd have switched parties in office and gone full D-tard by now.

23 I was wearing my ""We're Screwed - 2008" T-shirt, which I bought through Michelle Malkin  after McCain was nominated, when I read this report.

Perfect timing.

War Hero McCain apparently doesn't understand the difference between a retaliatory attack --- which is what Reagan did to Qaddafi in response to the latter's killing of our servicemen in Berlin --- with engaging in sustained combat in support of what is essentially a civil war.

60 days after that 1986 attack we weren't still engaging in military activities in/over Libya, so the War Powers act didn't even apply.

Additionally, aside from maybe Ron Paul, the GOP candidates are generally not calling for all US troops to come home from all combat areas. Nor do they seek to have our foreign bases closed. 

You know, the kind of stuff isolationists have historically argued for.

24 --- Too bad we have 6 more years of McCain

5 years of which will be spent "Reaching Across the Aisle".

Be prepared to see him sabotage us even if we do win the WH.

25
any clue as to why McCain and Graham are so supportive of Obama's misadventure in Libya?

26

Grampy McBackstabber is just doing what the McCain family does best: betray their own, in hopes of favorable publicity.

 

27 20  cannot get me past the Fast and Furious post from earlier today.

Whut, is that a post that was deleted already?

28 14 McCain will be a keynote speaker in the Democratic 2012 Convention. Bank on it.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 19, 2011 06:57 PM (JdM1M)

Hmmm...I'm not 100% sure.  But I do know that one of the following three will be: John McCain, Meggy Mac and Lindsay Graham.

Lindsay still has his tendrils in SC politics, but I can't see him surviving a primary anymore.  I think it's entirely likely that he'll run as a Dem next time.  McCain will be 75 by then, maybe he wants to be one of the Senate corpse corps but I'm thinking that he's going to retire in 2016 if he's even able to run by then.  Surely there will be somebody better than JD to run against him.  Meggie is just itching to get a pat on the head from her gay hairdresser.

29 I feel much cleaner voting for the most conservative candidate on the ballot in 2008. (Neither McCain nor Obama)

Not going to vote for a shit sandwich this time should another establishment liberal win the GOP nomination.

If you say you will vote for the establishment pick no matter what, you have bargained away any leverage to keep a liberal from winning the nomination.

It took a Carter to give us Reagan.  Don't fritter away this opportunity with the establishment pick.

30 OT - Want to get more infuriated?

Read this latest dropping by Fareed Zakaria in Time:

How Today's Conservatism Lost Touch With Reality.

31
McCain also said something about evidence linking the fires in AZ to illegals.

Some a-hole refuted McCain and said he didn't know what McCain was talking about.

32 cannot get me past the Fast and Furious post from earlier today.

Whut, is that a post that was deleted already?

The WSJ/Gunwalker post.

33
"That is not the Republican party that has been willing to stand up for freedom for people for all over the world."

Yeah, about that.
1. This is a myth. A myth created by Republicans and lobbyists to use patriotism to spend our national treasure.
2. Even if this wasn't a myth, it'd be an asinine plank of the Republican party's platform and it should be jettisoned.

34 Lindsay still has his tendrils in SC politics, but I can't see him surviving a primary anymore.  I think it's entirely likely that he'll run as a Dem next time.

Yeah, I don't know if that's such a good idea.

35 I don't think McShame will switch parties. He's happy to be the lead RINO in the Senate. He's not the RINO who is the most liberal (that would probably be one of the Maine sisters), but he is the RINO who is the most obnoxious.

36
Maybe we and NATO should go to Vancouver and teach those Canucks fans a thing or two, Senator McDunce?

37 You know, I'd be happier thinking that it was just senility catching up with him, but I can't believe that. He's trying to get back into the good graces of the media, reclaim the title of maverick and start getting praised for his tolerance and ability to reach across the aisle again.

McCain doesn't have any idea of the danger this country is in, thanks to idiots like him.

38
John McCain.

The Loser of North Carolina.

39
John McCain.

A worse candidate than John Kerry.

40
John McCain.

If McCain was an indian, his name would be He Who Changes Red to Blue.

41 I didn't say McCain would switch parties. He'll just go speak at the Dem Convention and pound us in the ass. He knows, following the Republicans' ultra-brave pants-wetting over Leesa Merkoffski last year, that nobody in the GOP leadership would dare boot him from the Party.

42 If Reagan were president, we wouldn't be having this shit going on in the ME.   He would have put a stop to that shit right quick.   Nothing like being afraid your country would be an ash heap to make you sit down and STFU.

43
This idiot shithead loser McCain didn't just lose North Carolina. He lose Florida.

He lost Indifuckingana.

He lost New Hampshire.

He lost Ohio.

44 Whats really troubling is that "IF" Congress allows Obama to get away with this, using the Pretext that the UN authorized it, so he does not need Congress's approval, it sets a VERY dangerous Precedent for future Presidents.

That precedent was set long ago by Harry Truman.

45
This McCain turd should 've been shunned from the party. He should be persona non grata.

The nerve of this failure to speak in public makes me sick.

46 He lost Indifuckingana.
He lost New Hampshire.
He lost Ohio.

And then he'll go to Washington DC to lose the White House --- YEAAAAAHGH!

Come to think of it, PJ O'Rourke has compared Dean to McCain before.

47 #sockhacked

48 Read this latest dropping by Fareed Zakaria in Time:

How Today's Conservatism Lost Touch With Reality.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 19, 2011 07:05 PM (c0A3e)

I'm tempted to but no thanks. My blood pressure is high enough as it is.

49 "I wonder what Ronald Reagan would be saying today?"

He'd just shake his head and say, "You're and idiot, John."

50
How do you lose to an anti-American political neophyte college lecturer  rabblerouser with the middle name Hussein?

51

"I wonder what Ronald Reagan would be saying today?" questioned McCain, saying the isolationism is a stark departure from traditional Republican foreign policy positions. "That is not the Republican party that has been willing to stand up for freedom for people for all over the world."

Sorry McCain but most Americans including republicans have decided to take a break from traveling the world with our freedom army while forcing our own country closer to bankruptcey.

If we can manage to fix things here and get out of debt than maybe we can try and free the world, not now though.

52
John McCain has done a lot for liberalism.  He continually reaches across the aisle, calls despicable liberals 'my friends', and humped Cindy McCain to produce Meggy "Miss Hooter's" McCain, the liberals newest and bestest friend.

53 McCain mentions Reagan calling Gadhafi the "mad dog of the Middle East." That's true. But didn't Dubya pretty effectively neuter this particular mad dog after the successful invasion of Iraq? I seem to recall Gadhafi giving up his WMDs, renouncing terrorism, and even paying blood money to the victims of his previous terrorism. Not saying he's a nice guy, but he had been neutralized. Now? Well, should NATO fail to dislodge him from power, how much you wanna bet Gadhafi reverts to his old ways again? And if NATO does push Gadhafi out? The rebels are likely Islamists who will support wonderful folks like Hamas. And of course we will be obligated to "rebuild" their shithole of a country in the aftermath of this "kinetic military action," with billions of dollars that we don't even have. This whole adventure is one expensive clusterfuck, no matter what happens. No wonder McShame and Lindsey "Closet Case" Graham are so supportive.

54 Okay, we don't need to be reminded we had to vote for him.  Perhaps though, it's about time we are reminded that the republican establishment forced that choice on us.  So what do we need to do to keep from getting that kind of choice again?  Seriously, now, why do these people still have the power to choose our nominees for us?

55  --- I'm tempted to but no thanks. My blood pressure is high enough as it is.

That was my exact thought. Sometimes I just have to stop (even coming here - my last refuge) or I'll end up angry and posting useless shit. Well, more useless and more angry than normal. God bless the commenters that keep me laughing through it, though.

56 Talking about, and debating, where we send our military and what for is not isolationist, John.  It's YOUR FRIGGIN JOB!  Oops, Duke brought teh crazy, and Johnie Walker, but mostly teh crazy.

57 Oh sweet heavens, why won't McCain just go AWAY?   They told me if I voted for McCain, I'd get an imbecile in the Oval Office.  And they would have been right either way!

----

On an OT sidenote, I'd like to introduce exhibit #2,570,302 in the Death of Britain:

Christians are more militant than Muslims, says UK's Equality Chief (link to the Telegraph)
Muslims are integrating into British society better than many Christians, according to the head of the British Government's equality watchdog.

The mind.  It boggles.

(H/T Weasel Zippers)

58
btw, just today NATO expressed "regret" for killing civvies in Tripoli.

This news came almost simultaneously as McCain and Graham were doing Obama's bidding.

Interesting because supposedly Obama put us in Libya to protect Libyan civilians from Kaddafi.

Whose protecting them from Obama?

59 How many times does this asshole need to be shot down?

60 jcjimi, yeah, when I find myself typing "pound us in someplace unpleasant" in public, I should engage that mental filter. It's getting to that mOAr and MoaR eXtReMe that Ace keeps getting bent about. And honestly he's right.

So, um... sorry. (Again.)

61 Harder John, harder you magnificent stallion.

62
Did McCain and Graham have any comment about Obama negotiating with the Taliban in Afghanistan?

63 Can I get a wet nap over here?

64 How many times does this asshole need to be shot down?

That's just MEAN!

65
John McCain bears an uncanny resemblance to Billy Rae Valentine's friend Randolph Duke.

66 That was my exact thought. Sometimes I just have to stop (even coming here - my last refuge) or I'll end up angry and posting useless shit. Well, more useless and more angry than normal. God bless the commenters that keep me laughing through it, though.

Good point.

Perhaps this shall help you bury any vestige of rage you might have had even glancing upon the link?

Once an exhibitionist.... Geri Halliwell struggles to hide her ample assets as she publicly strips off on a yacht in France

67
so McCain and Graham wake up and say, "Hey, I think we'll undermine Speaker Boehner and the Republicans today!"


these two dopes need their heads banged together 3 stooges style

68 That doesn't mean he's not an idiot

I've always said, and I stand by it, that McCain is "damaged." 

I appreciate the sacrifice he made for our country, but he is not fit to be a Senator. 

69 McCain doesn't want to be hated, but to be loved.  Problem is that he wants to be loved by the wrong people.

70 Juan McCain is fast approaching the point where Meghan will be referred to as the intelligent member of the McCain family. How scary is that?

71

I can't believe I voted for this dbag.

I feel unclean.

72 So, um... sorry. (Again.)
Posted by: Zimriel at June 19, 2011 07:25 PM

Jeez, I hope you're not apologizing to me. I get it.

I'm not an eleoquent off-the-cuff writer and even less so when pissed, so I rarely post on the important "news of the day" threads. I'm too pissed to taske the time at work to craft anything more eloquent than "er...F**k you libtards!".

73 I don't usually go for name-calling, but in the case of McCain and Graham, "The Mincing Ninny Twins," I'll make an exception.

53
How do you lose to an anti-American political neophyte college lecturer  rabblerouser with the middle name Hussein?


Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 19, 2011 07:19 PM (gnq2n)

By not actually running against him.

74 I think it is just undeniable that McCain is on the dems side.

I kind of thought that when he was running for president, but now I'm sure of it.

He's out to get us every bit as much as they are.

75

Since none of our elected reps give a fuck about the Constitution, why don't we just replace it with a dry erase board with an eraser and colored markers?

They can hang it up behind the Speaker's chairs in the House and Senate and create a living facsimile at the National Archives, much like a leaderboard at a golf tournament.

Paid volunteers can run back and forth changing the text as libtards change the rules as they go.

76 ErikW: why don't we just replace it with a dry erase board with an eraser and colored markers?

Mainly because they're worried Joe Biden will walk by

77 McCain "works with" the other side the way Naples hookers "work with" the Sixth Fleet.

78 I've always said, and I stand by it, that McCain is "damaged." 

I appreciate the sacrifice he made for our country, but he is not fit to be a Senator. 

Posted by: Y-not is pretty tipsy at June 19, 2011 07:31 PM (TFxd0)

I think any public office holder should be forced to retire at a certain age.   This shit of staying in well past the onset of dementia, which it appears McCain is afflicted with, is just so much bullshit.

79 I dunno.  I kind of feel sorry for McCain.  I'm sure he wanted to establish a political dynasty, and when he looks across the table, all he sees is his halfwit daughter and the twins.

80 McCain "works with" the other side the way Naples hookers "work with" the Sixth Fleet.

but he doesn't even do it for money. He bends over and does it to be popular and mavericky.

81 62 How many times does this asshole need to be shot down?

Posted by: ontherocks at June 19, 2011 07:24 PM (HBqDo)

Well... he did loose a total of 5 Aircraft during his flying days...

Yep, only Congressman I know of who is an ENEMY ACE!

82 I dunno.  I kind of feel sorry for McCain.  I'm sure he wanted to establish a political dynasty, and when he looks across the table, all he sees is his halfwit daughter and the twins.

Posted by: pep at June 19, 2011 07:39 PM (6TB1Z)

I feel sorry for not one of the asswipes that is helping in the demise of this country.

83 McCain seems to think that opposing the war in Libya makes you an isolationist.  This guy never saw a war that he didn't love.

84 83 I dunno.  I kind of feel sorry for McCain.  I'm sure he wanted to establish a political dynasty, and when he looks across the table, all he sees is his halfwit daughter and the twins.

I'd feel sorry for McCain if the majority of his decisions didn't lead to fiascos such as this one over Libya. 

85

Nothing like reaching across the aisle to suck up to Christiane Amanpour.....

 

86 Do you remember that feeling back in 2008 when you learned that McCain had secured the nomination, that horrible sinking feeling?

That "OMG, we're effing screwed" feeling?

Yeah, that was pretty awful.

Palin helped a little, but who ever really thought we weren't screwed once he become the guy?

87 Guys-
I don't really feel sorry for the guy.  I was being cute.  Unsuccessfully it seems.

88 Between this and Mushy Mitch suggesting a transitory Debt Ceiling hike The Party of Stupid is not having a great weekend.

A predictable weekend, to be sure.

But great? Not so much.

89

On a non snarky note...

We do need to take a good hard look at our commitments, and WHY we are involved in them, considering we're BROKE.

We still have troops in Europe... and Japan... and Korea... heck we even have troops sitting in Egypt... while our own borders are overrun with Coyotes and Drug dealers.

Is it Isolationist to believe that we are OVER commited? or as I believe, do we need to find some balance between our overseas involvment, and what we can afford...

90 I'm just saying, if for the last 15 years McCain was a democrat stealth operative, is there anything he would have done different?

91 Do you guys remember back during the campaign when I asked you all to fight with me?  Remember?  I got all worked up and said "will you fight with me," and you all cheered?

Yeah, I never really meant it.

92 Who is worse, McCain or Graham?

McCain has done a lot of damage over the years and can still do more.

As McCain's protege, Grahams damage is limited only by having been in office a shorter time.

Who is worse, the Sith Lord or his Apprentence?

93 WHEN is his family going to have him committed for dementia?

94 Yes, yes, he would have made a better President than Obama.

Convinced of this, I am not.

95 My friendsh, you have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency. --McCain

96 "Who is worse, McCain or Graham?"

What about me?  I'm a bigger crapweasel than either of those two.

97 If the "cross over to vote in the GOP primaries" idiots in New Hampshire and South Carolina end up giving us Huntsman, like they gave us McCain last time, we are truly boned.

The GOP ought to tell those states to close their primaries, or lose their favored position.

98 Guys-
I don't really feel sorry for the guy.  I was being cute.  Unsuccessfully it seems.

Posted by: pep at June 19, 2011 07:44 PM (6TB1Z)

Tensions are a bit high nowadays. Don't take offense, just roll with it.

99 "My friendsh, you have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency. --McCain"

Oh, yeah?

100 I'm not convinced his election would have been better than the O's either. I'm really not. This is rough, no doubt about it, but . . .

101 McCain is worse. His ego drove him to run for an office he was unprepared to fight for. His underestimation of the opponent and his deep desire to be "fair" in all matters handed this nation over to the marxist -in-chief.

Fair-play is a good thing, but he extended his hand in every conceivable way without regard for the consequences. Further, he uses his war hero status like a shield... Don't be mean to the war hero!

McCain, hands down.

102 Go Yankees!

103

I think any public office holder should be forced to retire at a certain age.   This shit of staying in well past the onset of dementia, which it appears McCain is afflicted with, is just so much bullshit.

Posted by: Steph at June 19, 2011 07:38 PM (AkdC5)

I think that if the founders had thought that there would exist people who's only job was "politician" then they would have put in term limits.  I don't think they saw an issue with a guy being able to always be elected because it was never meant to be his only job.  They had fought a war against a King and also the nobility and wrote a system that was not supposed to have any of that.  But the politicians have found a way around it, and can survive solely on being in politics and essentially being immune to their own bullshit.

104 "That is not the Republican party that has been willing to stand up for freedom for people for all over the world."

Stand up for freedom? Nobody we're supposedly helping gives a shit about our ideas of freedom. Ten years on and nobody seems to grasp that.

105 Reminds me of Coulter's column last year. Nonetheless, Bill Kristol and Liz Cheney have demanded that Steele resign as head of the RNC for saying Afghanistan is now Obama's war -- and a badly thought-out one at that. (Didn't liberals warn us that neoconservatives want permanent war?) http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2010-07-07.html

106 Why is this fucking douchebag still allowed in the Democrat Party? Hasn't he done enough damage?

107 Who is worse, the Sith Lord or his Apprentence?

Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2011 07:48 PM (GfhFm)

Palin supported McCain's re-election.

I don't care why.

108
Indiana joined the Union in December 1816. It has been primarily Republican throughout its history, and today is the “reddest” state in the Midwest. Since 1940, it has only voted Democratic in 1964, when Lyndon Johnson won a landslide over Barry Goldwater and again in 2008, when Barack Obama edged John McCain 50% to 49%, in the 3rd closest race of the election (behind Missouri and North Carolina).



John McCain: The Republican who managed to loose Indiana.

109 Stand up for freedom? Nobody we're supposedly helping gives a shit about our ideas of freedom. Ten years on and nobody seems to grasp that.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 19, 2011 07:57 PM (GZitp)

I've believed for quite awhile that the "spread of Democracy" should NOT be our goal...

It should be the spread of Freedom... ie that every country we help, as a condition OF that help, must enshrine in its founding documents a Bill or Rights containing Freedom of Speech, Press, Association, Religon AND Gun and Property Rights.

The idea that the Iraqi Constitution specificly talks about Sharia law is an abomination.

110 101 If the "cross over to vote in the GOP primaries" idiots in New Hampshire and South Carolina end up giving us Huntsman, like they gave us McCain last time, we are truly boned.

The GOP ought to tell those states to close their primaries, or lose their favored position.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 19, 2011 07:52 PM (cSkZ5)

I really don't think this will be as big a problem this time around.  Huntsman doesn't have near the name recognition McCain does even with his ties to Obama.  I really can't see it being as big an influence this time around.

So won't be a problem this time around, but it should never ever even be brought up as a possible problem.  Close the primaries.

111

"There's no honor in fragging your own side."

This.

What John McCain forgot is that these sorts of criticisms are not to be made on national television.

It is dishonorable.

he should be ashamed of himself and we should shame him by telling hiim SHAME every time he's encountered.

If John McCain has a problem with the direction of the Republican Party he's free to fucking join the Democrats (officially).

We don't WANT John McCain in our party.

112 Wait, I do not understand. When GWB got the AUMF from Congress to use military force in the middle east - that was isolationism?

On what fucking planet?

Can we please have periodic mental competency exams for public servants?

113 Actually, Arlen, you were better man, you scumbag. At least you admitted you are a democrat and switched parties (whatever your ulterior motive.)  McLame & Miss Lindsey will keep aligning themselves w/the progs to continue undermining the Republicans.

114 Seriously, can we just get a thread with no title and a photo of Helen Thomas?  It would be far more pleasant than to have to think about John McCain.

115

Juan's been a cranky old bastige since the GOP backed Bush instead of him.

It's my turn I tell you! My turn!

116 You know, since I'm getting more and more conspiratorial these, I feel free to say some things that would have seemed crazy before.

Like, how much of McCain's Wife's Money is tied directly or indirectly to Soros?

Because McCain-Feingold was about the biggest birthday gift that Soros ever had, it put him in charge of the far left's fundraising organizations.

Coincidence? Oh, Hell, why not ask about coincidences?

117

Posted by: someguy at June 19, 2011 08:04 PM (iIQ0a)

 

Dude. 

You have a catchphrase for this.

Don't deny us.

118 Crossover voters did not give us McCain. It was a combination of winner take all primaries and Huckleberry hound.

Remember that he "won" with 70% of the voters opposing him. The same thing is likely to happen with Romney this time.

And Huntsman is dead meat.

119 30 OT - Want to get more infuriated? Read this latest dropping by Fareed Zakaria in Time: How Today's Conservatism Lost Touch With Reality. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 19, 2011 07:05 PM (c0A3e) What a fucking cocksucker.

120

What a fucking cocksucker.

 

I'd argue if I could.

121 Yo McCain - shut up, dumbass.

122 124 Crossover voters did not give us McCain. It was a combination of winner take all primaries and Huckleberry hound.

Remember that he "won" with 70% of the voters opposing him. The same thing is likely to happen with Romney this time.

And Huntsman is dead meat.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2011 08:11 PM (M9Ie6)

Would still really like it if the possibility of them having an effect on who wins removed by closing the primaries.

123

Palin thought he'd make a bitchin Senator.

 

124

It should be the spread of Freedom... ie that every country we help, as a condition OF that help, must enshrine in its founding documents a Bill or Rights containing Freedom of Speech, Press, Association, Religon AND Gun and Property Rights.

The idea that the Iraqi Constitution specificly talks about Sharia law is an abomination.

Yet there are people that think we can actually spread some sort of western democracy and freedom in Islamic counties. Hell most the people in the GOP think that.

We would be better off going back to our old policies of covertly helping the least pathetic Islamic leaders instead of this delusional policy we have been following.

125 McCain - stop drinking your daughter's koolaid. thanks.

126

Well, don't look now, but our so-called betters in the Republican Party are pissing on Perry.

Few Republicans will say it publicly, but many party elites believe Perry would have difficulty moving beyond the sort of sharply-delivered platitudes heÂ’s honed before TexasÂ’s conservative electorate.

Even in the Lone Star State, many GOP insiders donÂ’t think their governor has the chops to take his game to the national stage.

I guess only Romney has the chops right?   Or Huntsman?  

 

127 Damnation.  I was wondering if someone would do a post on the monumental stupidity spewing from the mouth of the McCain Legacy.
 
Now, I'm somewhat conflicted as to whether or not Jonny's daughter, Titsy, is the one with all of the brains in the family. 

We need to isolate those breasts and study them independently, for the good of the state of Arizona and the United States at large.

128 --- McCain - stop drinking your daughter's koolaid. thanks.

She's just drinking the adolescent version of his Kool-Aid, IMHO.

129 Can someone just take Juan McAmnesty McLame, his bimbo wife and slut daughter, and put them all out to pasture?

130 Would still really like it if the possibility of them having an effect on who wins removed by closing the primaries.

The States control that, not the Party. The State GOP has sues multiple times here to close the Primaries and has lost every time. The courts have long ruled that if the State provides any part of the primary then they can regulate it.

What I don't understand is why since the Republicans here control both houses of the legislature why they don't vote to close it. That's how it got opened to begin with. The Dems used to control the legislature and it was they who voted to make it open.

It could also be that a healthy percentage of the Republicans in the legislature are former Dems.

131 Tammy Bruce is all over the Fast and Furious scandal.  I really feel if the blogs cover it like they did Weiner, the MSM will have no choice but to report it.  It should be covered.  It is awful.

132

Two McCains. One cup.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 19, 2011 08:25 PM (G/MYk)

Is that the Vessel of the Pestle? or the Flagon of the dragon?

133 Could someone please try harder to make this thread about Palin?

134 I can see why the Pubs don't like Perry since he called them out, but somebody had to do it.

135

Still don't know what "two girls one cup" is.

I prefer to be blissfuly unaware!

136

Is that the Vessel of the Pestle? or the Flagon of the dragon?

 

I thought it was the Chalice from the Palace?

 

 

137 And they told me if I voted for McCain we would experience a great depression....... and they were right!

138 If the Obamunist is today's Carter in mulatto face, I do think McLame is today's Gerald Ford, or perhaps today's John Connally. 

139

Hey Jon Stewart ----- did you write your own material today ---- or was that just a bulge in Weiner's pants, you threw under the bus today? 

Heh, what are freinds for ---- if not a great ostensible escape hatch from one's own intellectual dwarfism.   

140 149

Hey Jon Stewart ----- did you write your own material today ---- or was that just a bulge in Weiner's pants, you threw under the bus today? 

Heh, what are freinds for ---- if not a great ostensible escape hatch from one's own intellectual dwarfism.   

Posted by: Journolist at June 19, 2011 08:44 PM (QM8jX)

< oops, wrong thread.

141

< oops, wrong thread.

lol, not a problem.  Is there such a thing as a "wrong thread"? 

142 McAmnesty is a media whore.  He will criticize anyone as long as he can get on television somewhere.  Christine Amanapor?  Why on earth would any Republican go on that show; Oh, right.  McRino is not a republican.  He was picked for us last time by the media, then abandoned in favor of Obie.  Stupid twit can't figure that out, or he just doesn't give a damn.

143 Now that we have McCain totally covered, can someone tell me what journalism school Christiane Amanpour went to? And if they actually do teach female journalists how to project a masculine, gutteral voice while bouncing nonsensically and distractingly?

144 When we get down to it tho, our biggest problem is not the political establishment, but the mass of Americans who do not, and will not, keep themselves informed about much of anything. These people will, year after year, nullify the votes of the likes of us. That is the real problem.

Could Obama have been elected in a nation of people truly like us? Hence, the genius behind the American public school system the Progressives forced on this country a hundred years ago. Genius for them, very bad for us.

145 I respect McCain's service but, like, respectfully request that like, he ask his "new-style progressive republican" daughter, like totally check her progressivism at the door, like, at all family get-togethers.

146

30 OT - Want to get more infuriated?

Read this latest dropping by Fareed Zakaria in Time:

How Today's Conservatism Lost Touch With Reality.

Hi! Thanks for letting me into your country, which I will now proceed to fuck up. Oh, and by the way, where's the nearest bathhouse? Toodles!

147 "Yes, yes, he would have made a better President than Obama. Undeniably."

Assumes facts not in evidence. McCain is mentally ill.

148

And yes ------ the new Jon Stewart app is powered by virtual intelligence.

149 if they actually do teach female journalists how to project a masculine, gutteral voice while bouncing nonsensically and distractingly?

Someone on this site once pointed out that she sounds like she's chewing caramels when she talks.  Perfect.

150 Many historians have noted Ronald Reagan’s distaste for prolonged military conflict and that he had the least interventionist foreign policy of any president in the last 50 plus years. Pat Buchanan wrote of his former boss: “Reagan did not harbor some Wilsonian compulsion to remake the world in the image of Vermont".

151 I still think Fareed looks like a freaky Tim Burton claymation puppet.

152 McCain just can't get enough  American troops killed for Muslims to ever satisfy him. Reagan, who said Muslims were crazy, would spit on him.

153 OT Falling Skies is on.

154 I don't like to wish harm on anyone but I do wish Juan would get throat cancer and lose his voice. Lindsey too.

155 What a pathetic fucking tool. Thanks, Johnny Mac, for reminding me why I always hated your crooked useful-idiot guts.

156 What's the difference between him and his daughter nowadays?

157

Ya'll racist, ya hear?

158 Fuck McCain.  Fuck his degenerate daughter.

Enough said?

159 McCain is worse than “fundamentally flawed” in the political sense. There has always been something very wrong with his character, which is one of extreme “me-first-and-only” self-entitlement. He was wrongfully admitted to the Naval Academy with bad grades ahead of more qualified applicants because his daddy and granddaddy were admirals. Rules that apply to ordinary people don’t apply to him. He thumbed his nose at Annapolis because he couldn’t be kicked out or flunked out, because he was JOHN MCCAIN, son and grandson of ADMIRALS. He ignored orders and crarshed planes, because he couldn’t be disciplined as the son and grandson of admirals. He ditched the wife who stood by him, when he wanted a rich blonde chick young enough to be his daughter, who could finance his political ambition. He was caught taking bribes to his wife from the Keating 5, so tried to cover his tracks by imposing the McCain-Feingold nonsense on everyone else (laws only apply to everyone else, not JOHN MCCAIN). He entertained a blonde lobbyist in ways that worried his staff, and improperly pressured the FCC for her in exchange for …., because he is JOHN MCCAIN!!!!!!. He yells obscenities at other senators who questioned ramming his McCain-Kennedy amnesty through the Senate in the dead of night without debate, and screams he knows more about it than anyome else - because he is JOHN MCCAIN, a legend in his own mind !!!!!! He has secret “no press allowed meetings to praise mexico as our dearest friend and closest neighbor, calling enforcement of the laws “Rhetoric". As president, McCain try to rule by fiat and would make Hugo Chavez look like George Washington. Like the Alice in Wonderland Queen of Hearts, if any GOP congresscritter disagreed with him as president -> “OFF WITH HIS HEAD- I’m JOHN MCCAIN, KING OF THE UNIVERSE”

There has always been something consistently very wrong with McCain’s character. Through it all, this lying unreliable self-aggrandizing megalomaniac poses as a “straight talker", and is so sick, he probably believes it himself, because he is JOHN MCCAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!, son snd grandson of ADMIRALS.

160 Well he's not all wrong, I do believe in isolationism. The difference is I believe we should isolate those nations that view Islam as it's goals as divine and wish to spread their Islamic horseshit.
Isolate the shit out of them.

161 Someone on this site once pointed out that she sounds like she's chewing caramels when she talks.  Perfect. Posted by: pep at June 19, 2011 09:00 PM (6TB1Z) Hope they are not Egyptian caramels. They'll wreck Christiane's mouth and she won't even know why.

162 I voted for Palin in 2008. Johnny Quote Constitution just happened to be cluttering up the ticket.

163 This just in ------- Friars Club-----Beverly Hills---- to give Jon Stewart idiotica award ----- after Tomy Dorsey sadie hawkins.

164 Hehehe, well lookie here, McCain and I agree on some issues...hehehe...

165 Hehehe, well lookie here, McCain and I agree on some issues...hehehe...

166 Commenting on Jon Stewart ------- like driving on retreads. Cheap, real cheap but purposeful.

167 167 What's the difference between him and his daughter nowadays?

Tits.

168 Jon Stewart ----- an intellectual fronting front man.  I think that means fake squared in come circles.

169 Hehehe, well lookie here, McCain and I agree on a whole lot of issues...hehehe...

170 McCain isn't Ford. That's an insult to Jerry Ford. Ford at least tried to beat Carter, and very nearly did. And unlike McCain, he didn't lose by deliberately throwing the race in the final month, at a time when he had the upper hand. Ford was president and didn't wish to be repudiated. McCain never cared about becoming president; he just wanted to stick it to the GOP for rejecting him in favor of Bush. And he got what he wanted, and continues to giddily twist the knife.

171 I love John McCain. I think I will get rid of Joe and ask him to be my VP for 2012. I know he will say yes.

172

I'm not sure whether this gives us any new information past what we had before.  John McCain has built his career as "the good Repub" in the MBM for his penchant for saying stupid, harmful things about other Republicans.  He basically ran on this in 2000 and 2008.  And Lindsay is Lindsay.  So, ok, go for it.  The two of you can take turns playing cholostomy bag caddies for each other.

What it does do is remind me why I hate open primaries so much.

173

Jon Stewart ------- stop performing without writers ------- listen to your agent!

174 This is just so much bullshit - the Donkomedia still pretends that Bush had no War Powers Act authorization for Iraq even though he specifically sought it and factually got it, and now our fucking precious RINOS pretend that Obama doesn't even need to seek it just because he says he doesn't!

And anyone who says otherwise is an isolationist!  OMFG, if we could just fight the Dems without having half the fucking "Rinoblicans" in the Senate fighting on their side!

I would sooo like to see Arahsay Alinpay tell McCain to smarten-Up or STF-Up!

175 I blame the PAVN.

176

You know, early in 2008, I had to write a paper taking these premises:  Hillary Clinton and John McCain won the two party nominations, and I was to write a strategy paper for Hillary in the general election.

While the assignment was only supposed to be 10 pager long, I ended up needing 30 pages.  It was really strangely easy to take the position of a Clinton strategist, for two reasons:  McCain was truly effed even as early as Super Tuesday when he all but clinched, and he's really an awful, unlikeable guy.

177 McCain was very nearly the anchor man of his Naval Academy class.  That basically means you are both stupid and hated by your peers...Things haven't changed much...

178 McCain is generally correct that there is an isolationist sentiment in some parts of the Republican party. Unfortunately for McCain, that has nothing to do with the current situation in Labia, and simply exposes him for the populist tool that he has been for about 35 years. I will always be respectful of him as a man who once had tremendous integrity, bravery and honor. That man is gone; replaced by a consummate politician who is interested in one thing -- his own success.

179 I was at ASU when McCriminal was caught up in the Keating scandal. He should have been impeached and tossed in jail back then (80's). The fact that he is still around drives me insane grrr

180 OT: Short debt limit hike possible: McConnellWhat's Greek for boned?

181 Nice try McCain but Isolationist isn't some dirty word like it used to be. In fact it is begining to sound like a refreshing change to neverending war and intervention around the globe.  I wonder how much money McCain or AZ get from lobbyists in the defense industry? Makes no sense otherwise.

182

From Barbarian's link:

The Obama administration has warned it will run out of money to pay the nation's bills if Congress does not raise the $14.3 trillion debt limit by August 2 -- a prospect that could push the country back into recession and upend global financial markets.

Emphasis mine

183

Hehehe, well lookie here, McCain and I agree on a whole lot of issues...hehehe...

Jesus Christ LBJ, you are seriously full of shit. McCain should be thanking me!

184 open thread up

185 What I wonder is if there's any good or even plausible reason TOTUS just mostly ignored the obviously unconstitutional but convenient framework WPA right from the start.  If there's time for the UN there's time for Congress.
If it's big enough to think about over 3 weeks vs. blow a lot of shit up overnight and done, it's big enough for Congress.
  I get Tranzi UN loving & arrogance & maybe just stupid enough to think it'd be over before it became an issue but didn't anybody at WH ask "What if this takes > 60, 90, x days; > umpteen billion $; > insignificant collateral civilian casualties; > "advisers" on the ground;

186

Happy FatherÂ’s Day to our wonderful morons!  I hope that you all had a good day and have an even better night ~ Wink Wink

187 Truman,

cholostomy bag caddies for each other.

Is that an I see what you did there re. Juan y cholo or just a typo?
Either way colostomy bag caddies is funny.  Picture Scott Glenn in The Right Stuff only they're holding the other guys enema bag.

188

Perhaps if Senators McCain and Graham would just come out and state that the WPA is unconstitutional and encourage Chocolate Jesus to do the same we could avoid this stupidity. As it is the WPA is law and as such the president is obliged to follow it. He instructed his Justice Dept to not defend DOMA so it's pretty clear he doesn't have a problem with disregarding that which he deems unworthy. There are a number of people both Left and Right that think the WPA is unconstitutional so it's not like he would be out there all by his lonesome. So why not just make it easy? Well I suppose it would make him appear to be some cowboy flaunting the law in order to get around the constitutional process in order to prosecute a war which is as unpopular with the Right as it is with the Left. And we can't have that. We have elections to consider. Freaking coward.

189 Isolationist? So if wanting some sort of approval for going in to LIBYA is now isolationism, then McCain is basically saying we should be anywhere and everywhere. I mean, we have 0 national interest in Libya, so to tell us that if we were to actually question that decision that we are isolationists would mean we can't question any decision to send the troops anywhere for any reason w/o being isolationists. The brilliant mind of McCain.

190 McCain, supposed national-security hawk, is more concerned about the borders of Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan, than he is our own. Indeed, he's opposed to securing the latter.

That's all that needs to be said for his philosophical incoherence.

191 ...McCain is basically saying we should be anywhere and everywhere...
Posted by: Rich at June 19, 2011 10:25 PM (x4lWK)

Worse than that, he's essentially saying we should do this at the whim of the President without consultation with the Congress.

He and Lindsey are traitors of the first order in my opinion.

192 Just when I was convinced that Meghan was the stupid McCain...

193 100,000 troops on the Hindu Kush? A-okay.

Border police on the Rio Grande? Hell no!

194

Whats really troubling is that "IF" Congress allows Obama to get away with this, using the Pretext that the UN authorized it, so he does not need Congress's approval, it sets a VERY dangerous Precedent for future Presidents.

Especialy seeing as how the UN itself did not follow its OWN RULES.  The UN Charter specificly says they cannot interfere in Internal rebellions within a Member State, and Libya IS a member State.

ergo, this is the US President, taking us into an illegal war, at the behest of an illegal order from the UN.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2011 07:02 PM (NtXW4)

I hate to break it to you Romeo, but that precedent was already set in 1950 by Truman.

Johnson invaded the Dominican Republican in 1965 with 20,000 troops based only on authorization from the Organization of American States. (Hello, Arab League.)

GHWB sent thousands of troops to defend Saudi Arabia for Desert Shield without authorization (i.e., before Desert Storm), and against (at the time) 90% of the American public.

That's just three of many examples. Indeed, we've had an often lawless executive when it comes to foreign policy for some time now. Obama's just particularly brazen and hypocritical about it.

195 the Lybian Mission is 100% Constitutional, Mark Levin and other Originalist have covered this extensively over the yrs. Congress has the constitutional power to defund if they'd like to, but don't. Reagan didn't get congressional approval for Lybia or Greneda and elsewhere and like all presidents since the liberal 73' War Powers Act, didn't acknowledge it as constitutionally valid.

196 I wonder what Ronald Reagan would be saying today?"

It's dark in here.

197 Hey John.  Fuck You!

198 "Reagan didn't get congressional approval for Lybia [sic] or Greneda [sic]..."

The WPA is beside the point. Constitution itself says only Congress has the power to declare war. The WPA was an move by Congress to reassert its war powers after Vietnam. Or do you like the idea of a President just deciding to take us to war because he feels like it?

Reagan had a muscular foreign policy and a military buildup because he had dragons to slay in the form of the Soviet empire.

But McCain using Reagan to bolster his case is pathetic. Does he really think that large conventional forces intervening to right every wrong on the globe are necessary or even desirable to fight Islamic terror?

Hey, Mr. Senator-who-never-saw-a-war-you-didn't-like, what the hell are our vital interest and strategic aim in Afghanistan? Libya? Can you tell me? Oh, and how exactly are we going to pay for all these adventures and still protect our country from, say, the collapse of Mexico right next door?

Huh, I thought not. Jerk.

199 I'm hoping McCain is referring also to the attitude of bugging out of Afghanistan, which is an open Huntsman policy and has been hinted at by others.  There is some reason behind it, as the costs continue, no realistic end will ever be in sight unless we want to turn Pakistan and the Pashtun areas of Afghanistan into glass, and we can't afford it any more.  If he's talking about Libya, he's advocating unlimited war powers for the Executive, which no one else would agree to.  There's a right way and a wrong way to call Obama down on Libya, and the right way is through the purse.  Don't authorize expenditures for use in Libya, and/or cut his own favorite programs.

I've never been as anti-McCain as many conservatives have become.  But I do notice that the less I hear from him, the more I like him.

200 The US has been involved in over 300 military engagements from G.Washington on, only 5 times did a "Declaration of War" occur, the Executive has the Power to make War, period. That is the Constitutional Originalist position as originally intended. Declaration language was 18th century diplomatic langugage between nations that is no longer used, and has never been used between nations that didn't have Diplomatic relations(see Lybia). Article II gives the CinC the power to wage war in Lybia. Article III gives Congress power to Fund(and by extension Approve) or Defund the operations. Congress approves the Lybian mission everyday they Fund it.

201 The sad thing about McLame is the message of his failure as a Presidential candidate doesn't seem to getting to him, or the LOSERship in charge of the GOP.  Seems if the LOSERship has it's way, Romney will be 2012s McLame...

202 "Reagan didn't get congressional approval for Lybia or Greneda and elsewhere and like all presidents since the liberal 73' War Powers Act, didn't acknowledge it as constitutionally valid."

Neither lasted 60 days.

203 "I'm hoping McCain is referring also to the attitude of bugging out of Afghanistan, which is an open Huntsman policy and has been hinted at by others."

We have been in Afcrapistan for 10 years, so how could leaving now be "bugging out"? Do you think we have to stay there for 100 years to not be "bugging out"? 1000 years?

204 Too Hell with Juan McGhoul and Afcrapistan and the neocon chickenhawks!

205 American troops dying for Islamic Great Society Nation Building is something LBJ would want, not Reagan.

206 Fight with me my friends. I've got holdings in companies that do business with Libya. The gooks will never make me talk. Do you smell something? Yes, dear. Love you Meg. Palin who?

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212

McCain's inexhaustibly stupid premise that it is "isolationist" to expect Congress to have a say in the wars American Service Members fight

 

Well not entirely. For one thing, Huntsman, Bachmann and Paul all want to end any kind of military action in Libya and Paul and Huntsman want to pull out of Afghanistan. McCain might have a point about some of that. If they want to cut off funding, they can. Congress always has that kind of authority. They are not without recourse here.

 And it was not all that long ago that a lot of conservatives {not all of course} were treating Obama like a wimp because he let Sarkozy take the lead in the beginning. Overall, they supported the idea of going after Gaddafi. Not a lot of questions back then.

And the truth is all presidents have had conflicts with Congress over the War Powers Act. In fact Reagan was accused of being in violation of the act in three different parts of the world. And I know that it is expected that we are all supposed to say this is a war we are fighting with Libya..but was it a war when Reagan bombed Libya? Or what about Operation Preying Mantis when our navy sank about half of the Iranian navy back in the late 80s..or operations in Honduras and Grenada and Somalia and Lebanon? I guess when I think of a war I think of conflicts where our people are being shot at. This seems odd to me, it reminds me of the kind of operations Clinton used to do when he bombed Afghanistan and Iraq or even Sudan. Military operations vs war.

I think people are seeing the poll numbers and they think it might be good for them politically to go after Obama on this. I get that. But at the same time, I hate Gaddafi. The murdering bastard.

213 Could somebody make this old fart go away.  Please ?