November 16, 2011
— JohnE. I watched last night's General Assembly meeting at Zuccotti Park through a live stream and it was every bit as creepy and bizarre as you would expect. The first order of business was to report that there was a "point of process" regarding people in the back being unable to hear, so they decided to repeat everything twice instead of once. This was actually quite helpful for note-taking, believe it or not.
The official meeting began by stressing the importance of "harvesting ideas":
• Write your ideas down and we will collect. We need to be building consensus and consensus takes time.
On the police presence:
• Not being allowed to go to the bathroom in the park is a violation of civil rights and qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment.No mention of the actual sexual assaults in the park.
• We need to march on the police headquarters tonight after GA to protest police walking by while women relieve themselves and are exposed. This is a sexual assault.
On the occupation:
• Since we can't sleep here we should occupy in shifts.Bus depots?
• NY residents should let out-of-town occupiers sleep at their apartments.
• Occupy everywhere -- empty stadiums, airports, bus depots.
March tonight (they never got around to this):
• March in solidarity for everyone that got f**ked up last night and lost everything.
The November 17th event:
We are still planning the Nov 17 event. Our goals include:More on this below.
• Shut down the NYSE.
• Shut down the subways.
• General strike.
• Those who can't participate, bring it up to coworkers at your office.
• Bring everyone you know to occupy and shut it all down.
Their long term plans:
• Establish a permanent place outside the park for national organization.Please form your own party. PPP's latest poll on Occupy support is out and it's pretty ugly. They now poll worse than the Tea Party and it's likely to get worse.
• Become an official non-profit that would remain radical.
• We need to start our own party called "The Occupy Party"
What strikes me about this whole "movement" is how similar it is to Kindergarten. I'm so proud of everyone. You are all doing an outstanding job. We're making such amazing progress. They chant the same tired four or five slogans over and over and repeat everything everyone else says. At around 11PM, they made an announcement that everyone would have to "obey the rules and be quiet so we will be allowed to stay." It reminded me of those times your parents would let you stay up later than your normal bedtime if you agreed to behave and be quiet so you wouldn't disrupt their dinner party.
Ace mentioned yesterday that I was worried about what will happen tomorrow. While the park was mostly empty last night, they still appear to be planning a major event for all day tomorrow. Had Bloomberg cleared the park a week ago, this probably would have fizzled out. Now, they're angry and itching for a fight.
Here is what OWS officially has planned for tomorrow. The tone on their websites is much more up-twinkly benign occupation talk, but there were multiple calls to "shut down" this or that and to "confront the fascist police forces" in the streets during the assembly (check out the #N17 hash for more). That message appears to be resonating. Like he says, they want to "burn the city to the ground". When Occupy Wall Street started many on the right were warning Democrats to avoid encouraging or embracing it, not because it was going to end up being a political liability to them, but because it had the potential to spiral out of control. Democrat mayors and politicians are attempting to dial it back, but it may be too late. Within 24 hours, I think we'll have our answer.
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Helpful? It's as irritating as my ex wife. Sorry. Not into echos every third f'n word.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 16, 2011 03:28 PM (6TqXd)
Posted by: Y-not at November 16, 2011 03:30 PM (5H6zj)
Showers, not so much.
Posted by: NC Ref at November 16, 2011 03:30 PM (/izg2)
When the leader of a country whips up a mob to rage against "the bankers," it never seems to end well for the Jews.
Posted by: Oschisms at November 16, 2011 07:28 PM (GqM5k)
That "New York Money Men" crack? Totally not referring to teh Joos.
Posted by: General Wesley "Lets start WWIII over an airport" Clark at November 16, 2011 03:31 PM (G+B5p)
I meant for me while I was jotting down what was said.
Posted by: John E. at November 16, 2011 03:32 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: observer at November 16, 2011 03:32 PM (zRGs2)
President John F. KennedyÂ’s nephew, Robert Kennedy, Jr., netted a $1.4 billion bailout for his company, BrightSource, through a loan guarantee issued by a former employee-turned Department of Energy official.
Posted by: MSgt Shriver at November 16, 2011 03:32 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: RushBabe at November 16, 2011 03:32 PM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: #OccupyWallStreet at November 16, 2011 03:33 PM (GaIwz)
You men pee any and everywhere but sure, we are supposed to go to an actual restroom! why not public! we have nothing to be ashamed of, Peeing is a natural act.
Posted by: willow at November 16, 2011 03:34 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 16, 2011 03:35 PM (GaIwz)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 16, 2011 03:35 PM (gJACP)
The Tea party movement doesn't have a body count.
Posted by: Mike James at November 16, 2011 03:36 PM (E5gnO)
Posted by: Y-not at November 16, 2011 03:36 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: willow-womens right to pee anywhere movement at November 16, 2011 03:36 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 03:36 PM (cBVAS)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 16, 2011 03:36 PM (HZbzj)
I know. I tried listening to it. After about a minute, I couldn't take it any more. That would be better than water boarding.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 16, 2011 03:36 PM (6TqXd)
I've got news for the poster artist. Three T55 tanks still trump a thousand unarmed, unwashed vegans with tats & dreadlocks.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 16, 2011 03:37 PM (G+B5p)
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 03:37 PM (cBVAS)
Posted by: willow-womens right to pee anywhere movement at November 16, 2011 03:38 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 16, 2011 07:36 PM (OWjjx)
Better yet, #OccupyTiajuana. Bienvenidos!
Posted by: NC Ref at November 16, 2011 03:39 PM (/izg2)
Then just do it and quit bitching about it. Welcome to equality.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 16, 2011 03:40 PM (6TqXd)
Sure, go ahead, your peaceful, non-violent ways will totally stop that mechanized machine of death from steamrolling you......
And chanting and jazz hands will stop any bullet
Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 16, 2011 03:40 PM (GaIwz)
Then just do it and quit bitching about it. Welcome to equality. Posted by: rickb223
well alright, put will you hand me the toilet paper roll
Posted by: cheryl crow-womens right o pee anywhere movement at November 16, 2011 03:41 PM (h+qn8)
Check out the website of the OWS General Assembly.
www.owsgeneralassembly.org
Posted by: John Henry at November 16, 2011 07:40 PM (dV3hp)
Heh.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 16, 2011 03:41 PM (G+B5p)
Posted by: Drew in MO at November 16, 2011 03:41 PM (CAYt4)
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 03:42 PM (cBVAS)
It's not like they admire the actual Soviet Union and Maoists or anything. That would be just assuming too much, right?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 16, 2011 03:42 PM (HZbzj)
Posted by: mfm-womens right o pee anywhere movement at November 16, 2011 03:43 PM (h+qn8)
If OWS wants to start some shit, I'm sure we can change that post haste!
Posted by: rickb223 at November 16, 2011 03:43 PM (6TqXd)
Posted by: #OccupyWallStreet at November 16, 2011 03:43 PM (GaIwz)
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 03:44 PM (cBVAS)
I vote to give them their own island in the Aleutian chain.
They could see their homeland from one or more of them.
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 16, 2011 03:44 PM (Qxe/p)
Which is why one has to be careful with rhetoric. If you want justice for the bankers, maybe prosecute those who have committed crimes (laundering drug money, selling MBSs as if they were worth something) and jail them rather than settling civilly all the friggin time. And better, *stop bailing them out*. When enough banks fail due to their misconduct, they'll change their behavior.
Oh, and not all bankers are Jewish. Seems like it should be noted.
Posted by: Methos at November 16, 2011 03:45 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 03:45 PM (cBVAS)
O/T...but I'm currently watching RUSH do a live version of La Villa Strangiato. Uh-Maze-ING. Ok, sorry to divert your attention away from #Occufreaks.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Still Voting for Perry (I like his hair best.) at November 16, 2011 03:45 PM (ycuSb)
46 We shouldn't read too much into the Owwies fondness for the Socialist poster art, right?
No shit, if I didn't know better I'd assume it was from thepeoplescube.
Posted by: bernverdnardo at November 16, 2011 03:45 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Joffen at November 16, 2011 03:45 PM (zLeKL)
I actually watched the live feed from the OWSers yesterday. I tuned in to catch some good ole hippie beatin', but ended up staying with it just to see for myself (outside of the clips that have made their way around) what these folks had to say. I really tried to give them the benefit of the doubt.
In the end - 8 hours or so later, I just couldn't. These people are even stupider than I'd thought. And kindergarten was exactly the image that popped out at me.
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 16, 2011 03:45 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: mfm-womens right o pee anywhere movement at November 16, 2011 03:45 PM (h+qn8)
Freedom is an Aleutian!
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 03:46 PM (cBVAS)
Time Machine Tour still running? I saw them back in February, I think.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 16, 2011 03:46 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: mfm-womens right o pee anywhere movement at November 16, 2011 03:46 PM (h+qn8)
I vote to give them their own island in the Aleutian chain.
They could see their homeland from one or more of them.
Bad news is, no trees to hug in the Aleutians.
Good news is, they'll stay busy trying to keep their tents from blowing away in the horizontal freezing rain.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 16, 2011 03:47 PM (G+B5p)
Can he still pee anywhere he wants to?
Posted by: Basement Cat at November 16, 2011 03:47 PM (OWS3u)
• Those who can't participate, bring it up to coworkers at your office.
I'm gonna guess this won't be that big a contributor to their efforts.
Posted by: pep at November 16, 2011 03:48 PM (yruQ8)
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 16, 2011 03:48 PM (US0pq)
Posted by: steevy at November 16, 2011 03:48 PM (7WJOC)
I hear the Greeks are trying that also. Wonder how well it's working out for them.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 16, 2011 03:48 PM (6TqXd)
not a dem shill demonstration
also i think some in the gop didn't like being worried, hell when did we ever stand up and say enough?
Posted by: mfm-womens right o pee anywhere movement at November 16, 2011 03:48 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: toby928© at November 16, 2011 03:48 PM (GTbGH)
Listen to "The Trees", next. More appropriate.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 16, 2011 03:49 PM (GaIwz)
They failed to stop the debt limit raise a couple months back (hurting support from the right) and made everybody think about the inevitable oblivion induced by the national debt (hurting support among everyone else).
Posted by: Methos at November 16, 2011 03:49 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: befuddled at November 16, 2011 03:50 PM (xJU23)
I saw them in May. No, they're back in the studio now.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Still Voting for Perry (I like his hair best.) at November 16, 2011 03:51 PM (ycuSb)
Totally OT: Have you guys heard, people are getting dysentery from Ben & Jerry's ice cream? Avoid that shit and spread the word!
Posted by: bernverdnardo at November 16, 2011 03:51 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: mfm-womens right o pee anywhere movement at November 16, 2011 03:51 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: x11b1p at November 16, 2011 03:52 PM (nVLlM)
And deliver justice to the student debt-slave industry. I somehow doubt they're that committed.
Posted by: Methos at November 16, 2011 03:52 PM (sOXQX)
Jeez, where to start.
No sympathetic media. No hired PR firms (if you think there aren't PR firms working with the Owwies ...) Push polling, poorly worded polls, etc. Few GOP champions and the few that are have been made vodoo dolls. The fact that the TEA partiers aren't young layabouts with a lot of free time to hack together videos, shitty 'art,' and fill the the internets with endless amounts of nutty fluff extolling their own virtue?
That good enough for government work?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 16, 2011 03:52 PM (HZbzj)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 16, 2011 03:52 PM (gJACP)
It looks like the kind of stuff Shepard Fairey used to churn out before he hit it big with his SCOAMF poster.
Posted by: Basement Cat at November 16, 2011 03:52 PM (OWS3u)
Posted by: steevy at November 16, 2011 03:53 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: willow at November 16, 2011 03:55 PM (h+qn8)
When the tanks made puree out of the first protestor, they'd all head for their momma's basement so quick, the vacuum created would clean the park on it's own.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 16, 2011 03:55 PM (6TqXd)
Posted by: aMessNBC-BS at November 16, 2011 03:56 PM (KOQBP)
Not at all. OWS is the height of patriotism. We just need them to go away until they poll better.
Posted by: Janet Napolitano, security genius at November 16, 2011 03:57 PM (sOXQX)
I thought so. It would've been a long tour for them.
(Which reminds me -- I need to fill out my collection. I'm a bad fan, and haven't bought any albums since Peart's haitus.)
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 16, 2011 03:57 PM (bjRNS)
that's a start.
Posted by: willow at November 16, 2011 03:58 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Curious? at November 16, 2011 03:59 PM (AvCxZ)
Only when the cops want to provide the headlines the Owwies are hoping for.
"COPS KILL TWO IN PEACEFUL MARCH"
"GESTAPO LIKE RESPONSE AT OCCUPY PROTEST"
In case you haven't figured it out, the rat fucks laying around in these protests want another Kent State massacre. They need it. They are begging for an over-zealous response by cops.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 16, 2011 03:59 PM (HZbzj)
These fucktards aren't going to know what hit them. A Republican in 2012 is the only way this country has a chance at avoiding austerity. 4 more years of socialistic 'democracy' and we're cooked.
Posted by: Sock-o-Matic at November 16, 2011 04:00 PM (jc7PP)
Have you guys heard, people are getting dysentery from Ben & Jerry's ice cream? !
It's all over town.
Posted by: fluffy at November 16, 2011 04:01 PM (4pSIn)
Quit harshing the buzz, man.
Posted by: Bob Marley at November 16, 2011 04:01 PM (6TqXd)
NY residents should let out-of-town occupiers sleep at their apartments.
I see a pit in the basement, and a hose.
Posted by: nostradamus' 401k at November 16, 2011 04:03 PM (GTbGH)
Of course, it's the ringworm. It's always the ringworm. We never get any credit.
Posted by: Crabs at November 16, 2011 04:04 PM (btoxV)
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 04:04 PM (cBVAS)
Have you guys heard, people are getting dysentery from Ben & Jerry's ice cream? !
It's all over town.
On the ground, In their hair, By the mayor, .........
Posted by: Dr. Suess at November 16, 2011 04:04 PM (6TqXd)
Posted by: '68 Chicago Cops at November 16, 2011 07:51 PM (Lt/Za)
I have noticed that a lot of this shit ain't happenin' in Chicago.
Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2011 04:04 PM (X/0mk)
Totally OT: Have you guys heard, people are getting dysentery from Multinational Conglomerate Unilever's Ben & Jerry's Brand ice cream? Avoid that shit and spread the word!
Posted by: bernverdnardo at November 16, 2011 07:51 PM (xXhWA)
FIFY.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 16, 2011 04:06 PM (G+B5p)
Posted by: x11b1p at November 16, 2011 04:07 PM (nVLlM)
What's sad to me is that the ones hoping for a Kent State are those pulling the strings behind these protests. The ones who will be hurt or killed are just pawns.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 16, 2011 04:07 PM (YQa0T)
Posted by: aMessNBC-BS at November 16, 2011 04:07 PM (KOQBP)
And that's why I think Romney (certainly) and probably anyone else at this point will be a failed President. Austerity (balancing the budget voluntarily) is the only option that avoids a total collapse. If you're looking to avoid budget cuts (it isn't possible to grow our way to parity with the cascading deficit, much less grow our way out of debt), your plan is to keep the pedal down until we hit the wall.
Posted by: Methos at November 16, 2011 04:08 PM (sOXQX)
So does this bio-hazard on parade actually think they're going to stop Wall Street?
Are they so stupid as to think that all transactions occur right there?It nevered occur to these imbeciles that transactions are carried all over the world through something called a computer using a network.
Posted by: YIKES! at November 16, 2011 04:09 PM (etHkh)
Posted by: x11b1p at November 16, 2011 04:09 PM (nVLlM)
Life's tough. Tougher when you're stupid.
Posted by: John Wayne at November 16, 2011 04:09 PM (6TqXd)
Posted by: Duke Nukem at November 16, 2011 04:12 PM (nVLlM)
This is so easy to fix without violence. These mayors have no sense of creativity.
Bring in about 300 porta-potties. When a hippie goes in and closes the door, swoop in and lock it from the outside. You'll know it's one of the 'occupiers' inside because the the little sign on the door will say 'occupied'. Then scoop 'em up with a front-end loader.
Posted by: Cicerokid at November 16, 2011 04:12 PM (AvCxZ)
Four people died at Kent State.
I think the number dead from occupies is at the seven due to murder, suicide and drug overdose.
Posted by: YIKES! at November 16, 2011 04:13 PM (etHkh)
What these retards don't understand, is that the mob "disappeared" people over a few grand.
Add in tens of billions of dollars at stake, and they think the Wall Streeters will just voluntarily walk away?
A crippled gazelle has a longer life expectancy on the plains of Africa than these twits would have.
Posted by: John Wayne at November 16, 2011 04:15 PM (6TqXd)
Posted by: Joffen at November 16, 2011 04:17 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 16, 2011 04:18 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Joffen at November 16, 2011 08:17 PM (zLeKL)
I would say probably like me biding my time is too early to really get all fired up just yet.
Posted by: YIKES! at November 16, 2011 04:21 PM (etHkh)
Posted by: Towncar at November 16, 2011 04:21 PM (l87dg)
________
Pharaoh?
Posted by: Anachronda at November 16, 2011 04:22 PM (FzhYM)
It's still there. Hasn't been any elections lately. Holidays are coming up.
The Tea Party people are busy working.
Posted by: John Wayne at November 16, 2011 04:22 PM (6TqXd)
Posted by: Towncar at November 16, 2011 04:24 PM (l87dg)
Posted by: Joffen at November 16, 2011 04:25 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Joffen at November 16, 2011 08:17 PM (zLeKL)
Why get in the way while an enemy destroys itself?
Posted by: Cicerokid at November 16, 2011 04:26 PM (AvCxZ)
Methinks both. Methinks useful tools, primarily. As a Berkeley grad, I have too much familiarity with commies, their demonstrations, and their thought processes (pardon the exaggeration). They love the trappings of full-on Communism; it's like pron for them. Notice the language of the poster: "mass" and "direct action." That's like "he unhooked her bra, and took her firm heaving breasts into his trembling hands" for them. Their choice of 30s era Futurism was no accident. The funny part is that they don't realize how stilted their language sounds to non-commies, who are usually put off by idiots babbling about "building mass movements" to "raise the revolutionary consciousness" of the "the masses," led of course by the "revolutionary vanguard," which would be ... uh ... them.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2011 04:31 PM (+F1KP)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2011 08:31 PM (+F1KP)
How does that old saying go.
Liberals love the masses but hate actual people.
Posted by: YIKES! at November 16, 2011 04:35 PM (etHkh)
@20: "The only occupation I want is Katy Perry's bobbies at #MyRightHand and #MyLeftHand"
Oi, mate, you do 'at an oi'll give ya such a stink-eye between me 'eroin-induced nod-outs.
Posted by: Russell Brand at November 16, 2011 04:37 PM (jAqTK)
They also don't realize how quickly we'd turn them into Soylent Green.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 16, 2011 04:41 PM (6TqXd)
@77: "What happened to the Tea Party. Why is it polling so low?
They failed to stop the debt limit raise a couple months back (hurting support from the right) and made everybody think about the inevitable oblivion induced by the national debt (hurting support among everyone else). "
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Tightend that up for ya.
Posted by: The Establishment at November 16, 2011 04:44 PM (jAqTK)
I am not clear if I totally understand the full thought pattern behind this.
Posted by: Lightbringer ePub at November 16, 2011 04:44 PM (Y2u5k)
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at November 16, 2011 04:44 PM (GUxTi)
I was worried they may be wannabe Marxis-Leninists or something.
Posted by: logprof at November 16, 2011 04:45 PM (QaKuj)
Posted by: People's Liberation Army veterans whistfully recalling Tiananmen Square at November 16, 2011 04:48 PM (jAqTK)
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at November 16, 2011 04:54 PM (5uGq7)
I like the part about joining the system as an official non-profit while remaining radical.
A great recruiting slogan: Join the System, then Tear it Down!
Posted by: Mike D. at November 16, 2011 04:58 PM (p8QOg)
The Dems still own this bowel movement.
Posted by: stace at November 16, 2011 05:06 PM (lYlx9)
The Tea Party people are busy working.
Posted by: John Wayne at November 16, 2011 08:22 PM (6TqXd)
True, but some tea party groups are working on the Scott Walker recall thing.
I think it would be good to throw some money in for that cause, but I'm not yet sure which group would be best.
Posted by: stace at November 16, 2011 05:12 PM (lYlx9)
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Posted by: bid at November 16, 2011 09:03 PM (u76wx)
Umm, these are Millenials we're talking about. The Self-Esteem Generation.
They gotta have their participant trophy.
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Posted by: newmike at November 17, 2011 04:12 AM (1OLmL)
Lol, some of you finally picked up on where the Tea Party people are. They work, they have responsibilites called families. That is why the protests are planned ahead, they can't randomly pick up and just leave what they are doing.
The OWS people who are all but destroying themselves can do anything and remain present as long as they aren't wiped out by the plague. I want them to shut down New York, then New Yorkers might shut them down. Imagine the outcry if they shut down Wall Street, Bloomberg would have a heart attack!
Posted by: Africanus at November 17, 2011 06:04 AM (Fc7g/)
You men pee any and everywhere but sure, we are supposed to go to an actual restroom! why not public! we have nothing to be ashamed of, Peeing is a natural act.
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True feminists pee standing up - squatting is an act of symbolic subservience.
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Posted by: Oschisms at November 16, 2011 03:28 PM (GqM5k)