1 The party seems to be on a No Experience Required kick.

Bite us.

2 Actually, T-Paw is boring.

Party needs fire.

3 The party seems to be on a No Experience Required kick. Yep. His latest ad is phenomenal because it really stays focused on the target. Obama-and his lack of experience. Hopefully we don't throw that issue away.

4 I feel asleep two words into this post. Poor T-Paw. He just can't bring it.

5 On a more serious note, how can Pawlenty be 'doing everything right' when half of Iowa* has no idea who he is?

* I may not have actually looked that poll up

6 I'm with you Ace, ready the chain shot and we'll take out their rigging!!

7 Everybody should just withdraw from Iowa and tell the whole state to go fuck itself.  Except Mitt and his corn sombrero.

8

Hey T-Paw, I got a winning strategy for you - why don't you say mean things about one of the other contenders and then utterly back down in person?

9 Iowa is a must for T-Paw because his polling has been so low for so long. If the polls reflect how Iowa will go Bachmann has it. Romney has NH and SC is a tossup depending on what Perry does and who Haley endorses.

If T-Paw doesn't do well in Iowa he is finished.

10
OT: Obama has become the Fat Elvis in the white jump suit

Once great, but now just an embarrassing sweaty blob on stage.

Now carry on with your original programming.

11 O/T Best thing the FBN dude can say about the Dow today is it's not as bad as yesterday's low.

12 T-Paw seems like the man, too bad he is catching on. As for the slam aimed at Bachman, the little vignette that instapud linked to yesterday was nice. She laid out true con values, and I wonder if we can get her "the mother of all repeal bills" to be the ground floor of expectation for GOP candidates. It eased some of my concerns for her. Hey, as Hitchens said about W (Hitch being in asshole mode, natch) was that W proved that anybody could govern the US (remember that, before Obama made it clear that the US was "ungovernable"), so long as they had certain ideals. Bach seems to stand firm.

13 If T-Paw doesn't do well in Iowa he is finished.


I dunno. Last election had Huck in the lead in Iowa and McCain in third, IIRC.

Now what will be hilarious is if Perry wins the straw poll as a write in vote. 

14 OT: Obama has become the Fat Elvis in the white jump suit

And he's a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

15 Always seemed like a mild mannered middle manager to me. I feel sorry for him.

16 you know who this helps...

17 Tim's media people can always go to work for Perry. Tim can go get a job at, at, at.....

18 Pawlenty is running for president?

19 Local radio jock's T-Paw song.

20 Unless Pawlenty finishes first with 50% of the vote, and obtains Bachmann's unconditional surrender in Waterloo, he may as well just drop out now and let the real winner into the race.

PALIN/WEST 2012

21 Eh, we put to much stock in the straw poll. Pawlenty's campaign is struggling to find a foot hold, but I wouldn't say it's his last stand. Let's at least have a primary vote in a state.

22 10 OT: Obama has become the Fat Elvis in the white jump suit Once great, but now just an embarrassing sweaty blob on stage. No Obama is more like the drugged out Michael Jackson, you know is going to blow - just not how high

23 Can he accomplish that with a second place finish? Or a third?

No.

24 It's a fine line between bending like a willow to withstand the storm and being tough and hard as an oak and be relied upon. I think BECAUSE he did everything so well, it seemed like a poor man's Romney campaign. Well orchestrated, hardly anything out of place, yet boring and suspicious at the same time. I'm not sold on Bachmann either. I think she's says too much that she really doesn't feel in her gut. But it's early yet. Another thing is name recognition and electability. Things which I don't think tpaw had enough of. My rankings are 1) Perry 2) Bachmann 3) (waiting for Godot Sarah)

25 Ron Paul is more likely to win the "straw poll" than Perry. But I don't give straw polls much credence.

26 The question is moot.

27 @20, I know, right? Unless Pawlenty convinces Matt Damon to vote for him in the straw poll and is revealed to be an original signer of the declaration of independence (like in Devil's Advocate), then he's done.

28 As some might know I was a Pawlenty supporter, but not enough people joined me. The party seems to be on a No Experience Required kick

Well, I'm not sure you can chalk it up to that.  (Obviously there are some folks with limited amt of the "right" experience who are or were popular, but that's not the whole story.)  Perry is attracting many of us because he does have the resume (with results), in addition to have the "it" factor. 

Pawlenty never caught on with me for a couple of reasons. One, I'm biased against Minnesota.  I consider it to be a blue state and the "conservative" I "know" from there (Morrissey) is a squish.  So I don't say to myself, "Hey, let's model the country after Minnesota!"  That's a pretty shallow reason, but there it is.  Pawlenty never sold his record to me; not enough to overcome that bias. 

More importantly, I have grown to really dislike Pawlenty on a personal level.  He seems to be a back-biting weasel.  I don't like what I've seen in the primary and I don't believe he would campaign well against Obama. 


Now I'll say one thing for him.  He issued a very careful (nice) statement about Perry entering the race.  So I guess he's trying for the VP slot.  Thing is, I'm not sure he's distinguished himself enough to be VP.  I suppose he could be an option if the MSM gains traction on Perry the SoCon meme, but otherwise I don't see what Pawlenty brings. 

29 Nobody's gonna vote for president Kevin McDonald.

30 Oh, my #27, should have been signed, Huntsman/Crist 2012.

31 Pawlenty has shown nothing so far, other than he is good at being petty.

32 Who?

33

Damn shame.

I like T.Paw more than all of the others combined.

34 I think T-Paw was poised to get his own Cain-like boomlet but he conspicuously avoided criticizing Romney to his face, which reinforces his perceived main weakness.

I actually don't expect Paul to do that well.

Bachmann's support seems soft to me, given the eagerness for Perry.

Here's the dynamic, Ace: Romney is the frontrunner and he has the experience thing going.  Right now, people are looking for the non-Romney.  Bachmann fits the bill right now for someone with the will to defeat Romney let alone Obama. 

Moreover, everything Pawlenty is, Perry is even more and with charisma.

Still, if Pawlenty beats Bachmann in Ames, he jumps to the top 3.

35 “The problem Tim Pawlenty has is he’s doing everything right,” said Iowa strategist Steve Grubbs, a former Iowa GOP chairman and state legislator. “He has the right team in place. He’s spending the money. He’s got a good grass-roots strategy, and they’re investing the time in the state. So it’s going to be difficult to say they didn’t make a strong effort.”

Therein lies the problem. He's doing "everything right" according to the analysts and consultants. If you're trying hard, doing everything right and still stuck in the back, you're just not going to get the girl.

He's uninspiring, and he tends to wither under heavy fire. In a gunfight he brings a tray of smores

T-Paw is a policy wonk who'd probably make a great cabinet secretary, but he's just not someone who rallies the troops.

36 T-Paw missed opportunities... he had a chance and said "present". 
Fear of being principled isnt what I want.
But, then again, I would even vote for Sarah Palin against teh dOpe.

37 Plus, personally, I'd rather have someone either with a proven track record of fiscal responsibility AND/OR someone who's actually ran a business at a profit.

38 I could care less about Pawlenty, but I'm getting really sick of this Iowa=God shit. 

39 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.

40 was hoping that Pawlenty would get enough traction to get on the bottom of the ticket.... Perry / Pawlenty would be awfully good...  nice south/north ticket of governors... and not wasting the VP slot on someone who currently holds an elected office...

41 29 Nobody's gonna vote for president Kevin McDonald.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at August 10, 2011 03:46 PM (K2wpv) 

Birth certificate!!!!!

42 The question is moo.  You know, like a cow.

43 “The problem Tim Pawlenty has is he’s doing everything right,” said Iowa strategist Steve Grubbs, a former Iowa GOP chairman and state legislator. Well, now we know why Grubbs is "former." Oh, and Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.

44

Obama-and his lack of experience.

Lack of experience?

Hopefully we don't throw that issue away.

He's been President for 4 years.

No one in the country eligable for the spot has more experience being the President than him.

Lame ass issue. Are you still trying to win the last election?

45 The party seems to be on a No Experience Required kick.

I think that's an unfair simplification. Lot's of folks like Perry, he's got oodles of experience. Lot's of folks like Romney (not here of course) he's got oodles of experience. I think Pawlenty suffers because he's not sufficiently !Romney for the !Romney contingent. MB is, Perry is. TPaw missed a grand opportunity by not breaking the 11th during the debate and his unwillingness to distance himself from Romney at that point may be his undoing and a death knell to his campaign.

(a "!" preceding an object means "not" for those who aren't programmers)

46 He's cooked whether he finishes first or last in Iowa.

47 Pawlenty would make a good cabinet pick or maybe an ambassador.  He's too damn bland to fire up an electorate suffering from ADD. 

48 If Pawlenty gets out of the race because he does poorly in Iowa, good riddance. If he wants to be president, he should fight not quit.

49 Dow -460

50 Whew. He sure had me scared.

51 I think Pawlenty would be too timid to go after Obama.

52 OT: Oprah's Mastery Scrool in Philly is teaching Rioting evidently

53 Dow just blew through the day's lows

54 You don't hear much about Mitch Daniels these days. Probably because he's reevaluated the impact of a presidential run on his family, and that he caught his Exploratory Committee gangbanging his wife at a La Quinta. But mostly because his wife was getting Explored.

55 Yeah... I have to disagree with "everything right."  If things are looking bad for him, he's obviously not doing something right.

He's been seen as "weak tea" for so long, plus the back down to Romney in that debate over ObamneyCare.  Lots of little things, plus a complete lack of excitement... but, then, I always thought he was doomed.

56 Pawlenty?

57 Sorry to go O/T, but... garrett, or any of the 'rons/'ettes, do you have a convection oven?  I've got one in this new place.  Trying to decide if I should use convection to cook my tiny (10lb, plus stuffing) turkey.  I'm reading conflicting things on teh cooking sites. 

Normally I start at high heat (conventional), then drop to 325, and baste every 20 minutes and they turn out great.  But it's warm today so I thought the convection would be quicker. 

58

54, wait, what? Is there even a half-truth there about Daniel's wife?

59 -500

60 T-Paw may have done everything right, may have experience and policy chops, but there's no X factor there.

Jugears X factor was his amazing ability to be black with a sonorous baritone that sounds good when reading a prepared speech.

Of course the 52ers look for every outside reason to absolve their chocolate jesus, they don't want to feel like the idiots they are for handing the most important job at a critical time over to a mediocre Chicago hack with no resume but a great PR and dirt team behind him

61 @54, wait, what? Is there even a half-truth there about Daniel's wife?

More importantly, any pictures?

62 This Pawlenty guy is from Minnesota, yes? Doesn't Minnesota have a couple of really rock-headed idiots in the U.S. Senate now? Would seem a good opportunity for a fellow like Pawlenty to take a shot at taking one of them (whichever one is up for re-election next) out. Didn't he used to be governor up there or something?

63 oh wait, isn't there an upcoming debate? Maybe we should wait until after that before we start casting Doom upon each other.

64 If T-Paw doesn't do well in Iowa he is finished.
Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2011 03:39 PM

Ed "Poppin' Fresh" Morrissey and the mushmouth "pundits" at Tepid Air hardest hit.

65 Too bad Cain couldn't articulate his principles in a less blunt manner.  I like that man.  He needs a great campaign leader to reframe the way he responds, not the substance of his responses.  Perry is a life long pol.  I have to see more than hair to get enthused.  The only one I can think of with experience, results, and principles and the ability to withstand uber-hatred and has been thoroughly vetted,  (what ever happened to those 24000 emails?) and is still standing, learning and speaking truth to power is someone else whose surname begins with a "P".   Hmmmm, who WAS that?

66 At times like this I wish the GOP had a Bill Clinton

67 Market off the cliff.  Do not resuscitate.  Totally dead.

68

And look, Pawlenty's lack of charisma is a problem in this race. The only thing Obama will have going for him once the campaign season kicks into high gear is that "cool" factor. It would be nice to have a candidate who is both experienced, and can somewhat off-set the only advantage Obama has. Perry seems to be that guy.

69 I could care less about Pawlenty, but I'm getting really sick of this Iowa=God shit.

I don't think it's that.  I think we're itching so much for Primary Season, that we're talking about the Preseason games like they matter.  Objectively everyone knows that to be false, but we're all so desperate to put our jerseys on and eat chips and salsa (or whatever) while we watch that we'll settle for the 2nd and 3rd stringers.

70 -550 just ring the bell already

71 54, wait, what? Is there even a half-truth there about Daniel's wife? Sure. If half-truth is where you're setting the bar, then fuckit. I'm in.

72 -550

73 63 This Pawlenty guy is from Minnesota, yes? Doesn't Minnesota have a couple of really rock-headed idiots in the U.S. Senate now? Would seem a good opportunity for a fellow like Pawlenty to take a shot at taking one of them (whichever one is up for re-election next) out. Didn't he used to be governor up there or something?
Posted by: davidinvirginia at August 10, 2011 03:56 PM

While Stewart Smalley was finding votes in car trunks and union basements, T-Paw sat and said "the legal system will take care of everything".

So the answer is no

74 Ooh rally back up to -520

75 I was a T-Paw guy but his wimpy in person stand down against Romney on CNN made me jump out of the bandwaggon and into the Bachmann wagon. I left the Bachmann wagon and now i'm ready to jump into Perry's. Basically i'm a tossup

76 -550 just ring the bell already

Ouch. That erases yesterdays *ahem* gains, and gets us back on track to arrive in DOOM! before the end of next spring.

77

yes DOW! lower! lower!

78 73 -550 Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 10, 2011 03:59 PM

Started a deep dive down at 2:30. Looks like the Plunge Protection Team got caught in traffic

79

Normally I start at high heat (conventional), then drop to 325, and baste every 20 minutes and they turn out great.  But it's warm today so I thought the convection would be quicker. 

 

I have a convection oven and use it often.   It allows you to reduce heat by 25% or so and cook for @ 2/3 of the time.

I roast all of my whole chickens and lg red meat roasts in a cast Iron skillet under convection.  I brown / sear on the Stovetop and them slam it into the oven to roast, turning at least once...usually I turn birds (over) twice. 

 

 

80 Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2011 04:02 PM

Thanks, garrett!  Maybe I'll be brave and give it a go.

81

...one more thing.  Convection requires that you temper your meat correctly. 

Let it sit at least 60-75 min. at room temp for a 0 lb bird...probably more like 90.

82 10 lb bird, not 0.

83 People walking in New York having to dodge traders jumping out windows.  The humanity!

84 btw screw Ames, theyre straw poll means nothing in who wins Iowa. Romney won it in 08 and then lost the actual vote

85

...one more thing.  Convection requires that you temper your meat correctly. 

Let it sit at least 60-75 min. at room temp for a 0 lb bird...probably more like 90.

---

Yep, I'm doing that now.

Every summer I get the urge for a turkey dinner.  It's truly bizarre, but I've learned to go with it. Also, frankly, turkey prices are great.  Turkey and pork are my two go-to cheap meats right now. 

86 Jugears to rub elbows with the Elite of the Elite on a 10 day vacay at the end of the month;

From Bloomberg: "President Barack Obama will vacation with his family in Martha's Vineyard at the end of this month as he's done in years past, the White House said Wednesday, despite the weak economy and negotiations on the nation's debt problem. Press secretary Jay Carney defended Obama's plans to take a break even as he's pledged urgent action on those issues. "I don't think Americans out there would begrudge that notion that the president would spend some time with his family," Carney said."

87

Posted by: kbdabear at August 10, 2011 04:06 PM (Y+DPZ)

MA has him in the high 50s there, they LOVE him

88

 Turkey and pork are my two go-to cheap meats right now. 

I'm down to my last 5-10 lbs of Venison and Antelope.

No more chickens of the woods or T-bone of the sky left.

September can't come soon enough!

89 When it loses 40% over a couple days, that's when it'll be raining traders.

90 O/T Whoever mentioned streamtorrent-  big, sloppy, wet kisses and a bottle of valu-rite to ya!  If it was an 'ette:  5 styles in 4 colors of AoSHQ stompy boots and and a compilation of AoS recipes to you!

91

Posted by: Sock Puppet Du Jour at August 10, 2011 04:09 PM (KelWf)

 

I won't be shocked to see Dow 9500 in the next weeks.

92 @89
I'm jealous.  Or envious.  Whichever. 

93

As some might know I was a Pawlenty supporter, but not enough people joined me. The party seems to be on a No Experience Required kick.

I think its more that he did well in the first debate but on the second one when asked about his statements regarding Romney he backed off.  And even if you could say the question was loaded its not really going to impress people if you criticize someone on the campaign but won't when they are right next to you.

People do want some fight and want to know you won't back down, and I think that really hurt him the sense that it plateaued his support.

94 Press secretary Jay Carney defended Obama's plans to take a break even as he's pledged urgent action on those issues. "I don't think Americans out there would begrudge that notion that the president would spend some time with his family," Carney said."

Oh Sweet Fancy Moses, the guy's family lives upstairs, it's the ultimate work from home job.

Except for a few parties with the Vin-yid royalty with the wife and a few photo op ice cream trips with the girls, he'll be golfing as usual.

95 64 If T-Paw doesn't do well in Iowa he is finished.
Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2011 03:39 PM

Ed "Poppin' Fresh" Morrissey and the mushmouth "pundits" at Tepid Air hardest hit.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2011 03:57 PM (YjjrR)

The powerline guys are going to need to have a suicide watch put on them if that happens.

96 The problem with T-Paw is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. *snort* uh sorry. What was the question?

97

Posted by: Y-not at August 10, 2011 04:12 PM (5H6zj)

 

Turkey hindquarters make great Soft Taco Meat, Mole, and are excellent for Chicken Turkey and Dumplings.

98

@22: "No Obama is more like the drugged out Michael Jackson, you know is going to blow - just not how high"

With few exceptions (I'm looking at you, Corey Feldman and Zombie Corey Haim), most of the kids I blew weren't high.  Drunk on Jesus Juice, maybe, but not high.

99 ...we must be “crystal clear” that no plan will impact current retireees’ Social Security and Medicare...

Is this doable?

100

I think its more that he did well in the first debate but on the second one when asked about his statements regarding Romney he backed off.  And even if you could say the question was loaded its not really going to impress people if you criticize someone on the campaign but won't when they are right next to you.

People do want some fight and want to know you won't back down, and I think that really hurt him the sense that it plateaued his support.

I am not so sure it's anything specific.

I've never seen him poll better than like 8% in 4th place.

There is no there there. He is like a much more successful (but still not successful) Huntsman.

Had a plenty spiffy campaign but never really had any voters to justify the media attention.

101

The powerline Pawlentyline guys are going to need to have a suicide watch put on them if that happens.

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 04:16 PM

FIFY

102

Buzzion and Entropy are both correct - he had tepid support to begin with and then he tucked tail and waffled after taking a swipe at Mitt - which I for one took as a preview of how he'd "handle" Teh One - with McCainish praise and platitudes.

I don't think we're on a no experience kick, I think that our experienced candidates are too damned afraid to call out Obama on his bullshit openly and frankly without tons of apologetic sugar-coating.

I'm not looking for a firebreathing pundit masquerading as a candidate, but I'd like to see someone with Rand or Cristie's forthrightness in terms of calling bullshit bullshit rather than ice cream.

103 1 The party seems to be on a No Experience Required kick.

Bite us.
Posted by: Rick Perry's supporters waiting in the wings

THIS

Perry 2012

104

I am not so sure it's anything specific.

I've never seen him poll better than like 8% in 4th place.

There is no there there. He is like a much more successful (but still not successful) Huntsman.

Had a plenty spiffy campaign but never really had any voters to justify the media attention.

Posted by: Entropy at August 10, 2011 04:39 PM (IsLT6)

Well that's sort of what I was getting at with my last sentence about his support plateauing.  He did well in the first debate and a lot were hoping to see that continue but in the second debate he shrank around the top tier.  So most people that were thinking "hmmmm" went "Nope! Next please!"

105 He hired many of mcCain's people, including his Iowa hand, what could possibly have gone wrong.

106

must be “crystal clear” that no plan will impact current retireees’ Social Security and Medicare...

 

What is crystal clear from that statement, is that you're not serious about actually solving the problem.  Please fuck off.

107 I don't think it's a 'no experience required' kick so much as a desperation to get some leadership that might actually do something in time to prevent a true disaster.

I like T Paw, and would be pleased if we could replace Obama with him, but I want the most conservative candidate who can win.  I want someone who knows when to punch and when not to punch.

Bachmann's success, in my opinion, is a vote of no confidence in other candidates.  Same with Palin.  People have lost faith, and supporting a perceived outsider is their way of saying so.  I find this to be unwise.  Without more experience, it's hard to really know how someone will govern.

But some will choose a question mark over someone they do know about and reject.

Rick Perry is my best solution to these problems.  I am very surprised to find myself supporting him, but the facts are what they are.

108 So Bachmann is another "free trader," huh?  NAFTA, Mexican truckers, cheap Chinese manufactured goods and stuff like that?

Yeah, that will create jobs.  Sure.  It's worked so well since 1996, hasn't it?

109 There are so much to learn from your post here, Uma, well done.

110

Let me understand this.  Ace supports someone who is in favor of:

 

amnesty

carbon tax

gay marriage

further federal regulkations

 

Maybe I am missing something but why bother voting for Pawlenty when you can vote for Obama.

111

The problem with Pawlenty isn't that the GOP is on a "no experience required kick" (what's up with that, Ace...are you trying to outdo Obama in the condescension department?).  Pawlenty's problem is that he is dull as ditchwater, and he doesn't seem to have a case for why he should be the GOP nominee instead of, say, Romney, Bachman, or any of the other midgets in the field.

But take heart - Perry is about to get in, and he has experience out the wazoo...even more than Pawlenty.  And he's not contemptible say-anything-to-get-elected establishment squish like Romney.  For that matter, he's not a flake like Palin or Bachman, either.