January 08, 2011
— Ace Seems, as expected, deranged, speaking of mind control and such.
Speaks pretty incoherently about large numbers of years BCE and ADE (which oldsters know as BC and AD I guess), 5% of the nation being "dreamers" like him, teaching children to replace a letter of the alphabet with another and so by creating some new language. Schizophrenic stuff, basically.
Also seems obsessive about backing the currency with gold and silver. Speaks about a third currency, also seems obsessed with the position of Treasurer.
Also writes that if you call him a terrorist, that's an ad hominem, so calling him a terrorist would be an ad hominem attack.
Here's some of his psychotic writing:
In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications [sic; he seems to mean amendments]; The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver!
No! Iwon't trust in God!
He also mentions he didn't "write a belief" on his Army applicaiton, and the recruiter wrote: None. So, atheist.
The goldbug stuff is the only thing here I can see that associates him with the right (and then, only to the Ron Paul sort of Austrian economics wing). I should just note that money is an obsession of psychotic conspiracy theories -- there are endless speculations about the Masonic imagery on the dollar bills. Recently I was talking to a black guy, who was a strangely conspiracy-obsessed sort of guy, and he had this whole theory that all rappers were part of a Satanic conspriracy because they all show the "Eye of Ra" symbol (basically making a triangle with your fingers and looking through it), which looks like the eye on the dollar bill, and the government is a Satanic conspiracy too. This link is sort of on the same page as what this black guy was talking about.
One psychotic I personally became aware of was fond of writing, over and over, "THE FED IS IN THE FOOD." What that means, I don't know.
So, I'm not sure this is going to turn out to be a "deranged guy more associated with the right than the left," as that sort of currency-based conspiracy theory isn't really political at all, it's just a common trope of the psychotic. There may be so little actual political content to his thought it will be hard(er) for the media to say this guy was on the "right." It could just be that he already had the common psychotic obsession with mind-control-through-currency (or whatnot) and just glommed on to the goldbugs' complaints about fiat currency because it sounded good.
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Posted by: El Cid at January 08, 2011 12:29 PM (TRlpJ)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 08, 2011 12:30 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: lions at January 08, 2011 12:31 PM (lW97b)
Posted by: eman at January 08, 2011 12:31 PM (0aJSF)
Posted by: t-bird at January 08, 2011 12:32 PM (M8mAs)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at January 08, 2011 12:32 PM (Baf0e)
If that's legitimate, there's not a lot of lucid thought apparent.
Posted by: Cicero at January 08, 2011 12:32 PM (Ys0KI)
Just to repeat what El Cid said....
had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The COMMUNIST MANIFESTO, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.
Posted by: Keven at January 08, 2011 12:33 PM (yO+uQ)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at January 08, 2011 12:33 PM (Baf0e)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 08, 2011 12:33 PM (c5RQr)
Posted by: Scott at January 08, 2011 12:33 PM (NaSR0)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at January 08, 2011 12:34 PM (Baf0e)
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 08, 2011 12:34 PM (KbP6k)
Posted by: John Edwards at January 08, 2011 12:35 PM (Rwudm)
Bill hardest hit.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 08, 2011 12:35 PM (S5YRY)
271 page views just now - soon it will be millions.
Yup, the guy is sick.
That he may have had accomplices is bizarre.
The whole thing is worse than Tragic.
Terrible.
Unspeakable.
Sigh.
Posted by: MTT at January 08, 2011 12:35 PM (Df8lV)
Posted by: JDW at January 08, 2011 12:35 PM (p6kTq)
Posted by: Dagobomb at January 08, 2011 12:36 PM (LTm+G)
Posted by: BJ at January 08, 2011 12:36 PM (qX40S)
Posted by: JDW at January 08, 2011 12:36 PM (p6kTq)
Posted by: Spike at January 08, 2011 12:36 PM (WLxeI)
The guy is clearly a nut. Look at his inspirational people page on facebook.
There's more than one Jared Laughner facebook page. They seem to be fakes. Probably put up this aftenoon, by the look of the contents.
Posted by: Cicero at January 08, 2011 12:36 PM (Ys0KI)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 08, 2011 12:36 PM (c5RQr)
Posted by: TRO at January 08, 2011 12:37 PM (I6mxF)
Posted by: Damiano at January 08, 2011 12:37 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: CAC at January 08, 2011 12:38 PM (Gr1V1)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 08, 2011 12:39 PM (c5RQr)
Posted by: Rodney C. Johson at January 08, 2011 12:39 PM (G/Eku)
Posted by: JDW at January 08, 2011 12:39 PM (p6kTq)
Posted by: BJ at January 08, 2011 12:39 PM (qX40S)
The element that might point to the owner of that account being the shooter is the use of past tense.
I had favorite books:
Posted by: The Q at January 08, 2011 12:39 PM (5qBd2)
This is where the media usually ends up being horribly dishonest and cynical. They are able to take any piece of the crazy person that is associated with conservative politics and use it to smear conservatives.
I agree that if anything he is probably loosely associated with the Ron Paul movement. I wouldn't imagine there are many 22 year old men who feature monetary policy in a political rant who aren't strong supporters of Ron Paul.
Posted by: Paper at January 08, 2011 12:39 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: Lee at January 08, 2011 12:40 PM (BD1aO)
Is the attempted assassination of a Congresswoman and the deaths of innocents what this sick fuck meant by "conscience dreaming"? Fry this little bastard and piss on his ashes.
Yes, it came through quite clear that he's an Engrish major. Only they could write screeds so incoherent.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 08, 2011 12:40 PM (9hSKh)
Posted by: pitythefool at January 08, 2011 12:40 PM (73HbN)
Posted by: Paper at January 08, 2011 12:42 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: N. Agada DaVitt at January 08, 2011 12:42 PM (fPFsz)
Posted by: t-bird at January 08, 2011 12:42 PM (M8mAs)
Shep
I hate to say it, but i love listening to these fools try to ad lib during these tings.
Posted by: nine coconuts at January 08, 2011 12:43 PM (DHNp4)
Let's not leap to conclusions here, people. Just a lone wacko, no political agenda at all.
Posted by: Commandante Markos Kos at January 08, 2011 12:43 PM (oAZ1S)
The toxic pancake makeup has seeped into his tiny brain.
Posted by: Cicero at January 08, 2011 12:44 PM (Ys0KI)
http://bit.ly/gl8GxG
But since this asshole was ranting about "gold," might be a good idea to check G Gordon Liddy's alibis for this morning....
Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 08, 2011 12:44 PM (Ulu3i)
Chilling, especially the use of the past tense. This guy was planning this at least for weeks.
Posted by: Delicious Lead Paint at January 08, 2011 12:45 PM (Mdbhi)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 08, 2011 12:45 PM (c5RQr)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 08, 2011 12:46 PM (Z71Vg)
I remember these people in college. They were usually men who had taken a couple of philosophy courses and barely understood any of it. They latched on to a few basic concepts that had been butchered by their unique mix of emotional/mental problems and middling intellect.
I can only assume that if their emotional/mental problems continue to worsen, they act on completely their bat-shit insane ideals. They are usually very conspiratorial, so they would probably be opposed to any potential remedy or treatment for schizophrenia or whatever condition they might have.
Posted by: Paper at January 08, 2011 12:46 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: MFM at January 08, 2011 12:47 PM (0aJSF)
He's not smart enough to be either.
It's as if someone wired a voice synthesizer to a random-word generator. Guess he's trying out for a spot at TMZ.
Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 08, 2011 12:47 PM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: Jprs at January 08, 2011 12:47 PM (PfiUw)
Whoa. A bit premature. I'm hoping she can breath on her own and recognize family members first.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 08, 2011 12:47 PM (S5YRY)
http://twitter.com/caitieparker
Posted by: Slappy at January 08, 2011 12:47 PM (ljvjO)
Our patients keep journals that are part of their medical records and they read like his stuff. He could easily be on of ours. The best way to ID it is "Ya know, that almost makes sense....er, no it doesn't."
Posted by: ¤§EZB§¤ at January 08, 2011 12:48 PM (fa9yq)
Posted by: ktgreat at January 08, 2011 12:48 PM (crXRa)
Posted by: TheJane at January 08, 2011 12:49 PM (9Blbi)
The Guy is also one of those "Festival of Books" bastards. They have always scared the hell out of me
You Give Books, a Bad Name.
Posted by: Bob Bookman at January 08, 2011 12:49 PM (5ktuN)
Posted by: Reiver at January 08, 2011 12:49 PM (RFTUX)
Yeah, Lee Harvey Oswald was a rightie too.
Just one of those rare righties who loved Castro and spent time in the Soviet Union.
Posted by: The MSM at January 08, 2011 12:49 PM (Ys0KI)
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 08, 2011 12:50 PM (hzarp)
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 08, 2011 12:51 PM (hzarp)
Sacred honor compels me to demure from comment but, oh yes, she sure can.
Posted by: will folks at January 08, 2011 12:51 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: Jprs at January 08, 2011 12:52 PM (PfiUw)
I'm jumping aboard the speculation train for a second with this:
This guy is gonna turn out almost exactly like the shooter at Va.Tech a few years back: someone with deep psychological issues who was prescribed heavy doses of meds.
And that as he dropped the meds, his violent impulses took over.
Posted by: The Q at January 08, 2011 12:52 PM (5qBd2)
Posted by: AR at January 08, 2011 12:53 PM (C+5VQ)
The NYP has quoted Giffords' father as blaming the Tea Party as well (apparently, the ENTIRE Tea Party). And you know what? He gets a big fat pass. He's mortified, scared shitless, and enraged, and he has every right to be- even if he's wrong.
I wish I could be as understanding as you. I literally saw red when I saw that. I'm sorry, but I am sick to fucking death of being blamed for every damn bad thing that happens. I love my country. I have stood out in the freezing cold and the sweltering heat to attend rallies and make my voice heard. I have worked on campaigns. I am tired of it. Yeah I will give him a pass but it still pissed me off.
Posted by: jewells45 at January 08, 2011 12:53 PM (Z71Vg)
But if you kill a government official, you must be anti-government! Conservatives are anti-government. Therefore all assinations are committed by conservatives.
Posted by: Ezra Klein, Philosophy Student and Essay Contest Entrant at January 08, 2011 12:54 PM (VoSja)
WTF? I'm sure he helped her 3 re-election efforts, but I'm sure she wasn't his "best friend". His lack of Presidential or even professional decorum is blindingly evident here.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 08, 2011 12:54 PM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2011 12:55 PM (M9Ie6)
This was the 70's and he was actually pretty prescient. He claimed that the device was powered by body heat and back then it was nuts, but now it is almost believable....
Posted by: nine coconuts at January 08, 2011 12:55 PM (DHNp4)
Posted by: NICKIE GOOMBA at January 08, 2011 12:55 PM (H4Kxb)
Posted by: Bill Sparkman at January 08, 2011 12:55 PM (MadRw)
The last guy the Feds gave the death penalty to was Timothy McVeigh, IIRC.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 08, 2011 12:56 PM (9hSKh)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 08, 2011 12:56 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 08, 2011 12:57 PM (hzarp)
Posted by: Anachronda at January 08, 2011 12:57 PM (6fER6)
What the fuck is wrong with people?
They've realized the MFM's "reporting" of crime pretty much consists of showing pictures of people's Facebook pages in between long shots of the crime scene/memorial mound of teddy bears.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2011 12:58 PM (4ucxv)
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Posted by: Reiver at January 08, 2011 12:58 PM (RFTUX)
Posted by: Alex Jones at January 08, 2011 12:59 PM (SJ6/3)
This was the 70's and he was actually pretty prescient. He claimed that the device was powered by body heat and back then it was nuts, but now it is almost believable....
Posted by: nine coconuts at January 08, 2011 04:55 PM (DHNp4)
That reminds me of this classic Onion video.
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 08, 2011 01:00 PM (KbP6k)
Probably not without violating HIPAA. Seriously.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2011 01:00 PM (4ucxv)
If ego were a commodity he could make our Fed debt disappear overnight.
Posted by: goldbricker esq at January 08, 2011 01:01 PM (h2t8r)
You may all relax, a quick perusal has revealed that CJ has pronounced definitively that this asshole is a far right-leaning libertarian
We can all go home now..
Posted by: irongrampa at January 08, 2011 01:02 PM (ud5dN)
Our patients keep journals that...
Where do you work?
At a 135 (soon to be 170) bed State Psychiatric Hospital-- 100 (soon to be 135) of those beds are forensic/criminally insane. I sincerely love my job. Keeps everything in perspective.
Posted by: ¤§EZB§¤ at January 08, 2011 01:02 PM (fa9yq)
They've realized the MFM's "reporting" of crime pretty much consists of showing pictures of people's Facebook pages in between long shots of the crime scene/memorial mound of teddy bears.
Don't forget taking phone calls from eyewitnesses who end up being Howard Stern fans pranking them.
Posted by: Blackford Oakes at January 08, 2011 01:02 PM (MadRw)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2011 01:02 PM (4ucxv)
Posted by: American Media at January 08, 2011 01:02 PM (zyMGp)
Thank goodness she is going to pull through.
Posted by: Valiant at January 08, 2011 01:03 PM (UKSRV)
Multiple folks on Twitter who went to college with him are describing his politics as "very liberal" and "left-wing."
Not that that will matter to the msm as they cook up their narrative.
Posted by: TiredWench at January 08, 2011 01:03 PM (oPceJ)
Posted by: just another stupid knucklehead like you at January 08, 2011 01:03 PM (jslC/)
FIFY.
Posted by: Methos, making a joke about atheists and the metric system, but mainly the metric system at January 08, 2011 01:04 PM (Ew1k4)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 08, 2011 01:04 PM (xQAv5)
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 08, 2011 04:31 PM (hzarp)
Same here. I've dealt with schizophrenic defendants and that's my first inclination whenever anyone starts talking about mind control.
Posted by: Dave J. at January 08, 2011 01:05 PM (DCQ0q)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 08, 2011 01:06 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 08, 2011 01:07 PM (hzarp)
Posted by: nickless at January 08, 2011 01:07 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: USNA1985 at January 08, 2011 01:07 PM (SdG5f)
Speedy recovery to those injured, and RIP to those killed.
Posted by: maverick muse at January 08, 2011 01:08 PM (H+LJc)
They've already said it. First spin wins. Palin did it, with her violence-themed campaign. The science is settled. Any backing away that the media does post-first-spin is backing away from that spin. So it persists in all that follows.
THE FED IS IN THE FOOD, MAN
(If by "the fed" your crazy guy meant "whoever eats the food," dude was deep. And crazy.)
Posted by: oblig. at January 08, 2011 01:08 PM (x7Ao8)
the eye on the dollar bill, and the government is a Satanic conspiracy too. This... is sort of on the same page as what this black guy was talking about.One psychotic I personally became aware of was fond of writing, over and over, "THE FED IS IN THE FOOD." What that means, I don't know.
These are the Illuminati / Masonic conspiracy types who believe all the food is being poisoned with mind control drugs and the entire USA exercise is and has been a satanist plot, started hundreds of years ago, to subjugate the entire planet.
Posted by: Beto at January 08, 2011 01:09 PM (H+LJc)
Wait, what? I stepped away from the computer for a bit so I must have missed something. How can a 22-year old be an Afghan war vet and have gone to college, time wise?
Posted by: Methos at January 08, 2011 01:09 PM (Ew1k4)
Wtf. Would that category include Laura Bush?
Posted by: maverick muse at January 08, 2011 01:09 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 08, 2011 01:09 PM (6ftzF)
Interestingly enough, the dividing point between the two being the birth of Christ.
Posted by: nickless at January 08, 2011 01:09 PM (MMC8r)
Ace: There may be so little actual political content to his thought it will be hard(er) for the media to say this guy was on the "right."
Heh. You really are kinda naive, you know that? Hope you like our op-eds and "just the facts" reporting in the next couple of days. I know there are quite a few keyboards pounding out the conections between Laughner and the Tea Party. So sad...
Your pal,
The Mother Fuckin' Media
Posted by: ed at January 08, 2011 01:10 PM (QLhy5)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 08, 2011 01:10 PM (SJ6/3)
Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here. Spread that shit somewhere else. Back to Kos, from whence you came!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 08, 2011 01:10 PM (9hSKh)
Posted by: ace at January 08, 2011 01:10 PM (nj1bB)
The vet thing was some lefty wishcraft.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2011 01:10 PM (4ucxv)
See the "favorite books" listed on Laughners (?) YouTube page? It's basically a high school summer reading list. Smells fake.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2011 01:10 PM (hUf/c)
Posted by: maverick muse at January 08, 2011 01:11 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: just another stupid knucklehead like Erg at January 08, 2011 01:12 PM (omlt3)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 08, 2011 01:12 PM (SJ6/3)
Some people are mentally unstable, and they lose the ability to use any form of evidence in their political beliefs. They begin to believe things because they are conspiratorial.
The more I look at this, the more I see him as a person who follows Alex Jones rather than Ron Paul.
Posted by: Paper at January 08, 2011 01:12 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: Bill at January 08, 2011 01:13 PM (fA3ty)
Posted by: just another stupid knucklehead like you at January 08, 2011 01:13 PM (jslC/)
Apparently the "Afghan war vet" meme was total bullshit spewed by a democrat politician who knew nothing at the time.
Posted by: Beto at January 08, 2011 01:13 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: ace at January 08, 2011 01:13 PM (nj1bB)
Because that's the ideology that advocates and celebrates violence against its opponents...people who get a thrill from violence (even non-consciously) will be drawn to violent ideology.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2011 01:13 PM (4ucxv)
If the MFM is forced to let the "deranged right-wing extremist" meme go, I wouldn't be in the least surprised to start hearing about how vastly improved mental health services under Obamacare could help identify and treat poor little darlings like this before such tragedies occur, so anyone who wants it eliminated is obviously a supporter of mass shootings.
Posted by: BlueStateSil at January 08, 2011 01:14 PM (k0osj)
Semper Fi, muddafuggas!
Posted by: Nidal Malik Hassan, a yankee doodle dandee first class at January 08, 2011 01:14 PM (MadRw)
That and multiple unrelated streams of thought--- Mind control and food no longer being absorbed. Mind control and shifting latitudes on maps. This guy it was mind control and grammar.
Like I said.... it almost ALMOST makes sense.
Posted by: ¤§EZB§¤ at January 08, 2011 01:14 PM (fa9yq)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 08, 2011 01:14 PM (SJ6/3)
#140
Exactly. It looks like he listed part of his high school reading list, and then purposefully chose books from different political viewpoints to make himself look 'cultured' and 'intellectual'.
Posted by: Paper at January 08, 2011 01:15 PM (VoSja)
I agree that if anything he is probably loosely associated with the Ron Paul movement. I wouldn't imagine there are many 22 year old men who feature monetary policy in a political rant who aren't strong supporters of Ron Paul.
Posted by: Paper at January 08, 2011 04:39 PM (VoSja)
Larouchies and plenty of left-wing guys rant about the gold standard.
It isn't proof of nuttiness, I just saw an Uncommon Knowledge interview with Thomas Sowell, where he comes out against fiat money, though not very strongly. But he has a simple rational argument (inflation) and doesn't obsess about it out of context.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2011 01:16 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: Dan at January 08, 2011 01:16 PM (mXBxH)
Posted by: ace at January 08, 2011 01:17 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 08, 2011 01:17 PM (6ftzF)
I just assume the voices are lying to me and move on with my life.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 08, 2011 01:18 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2011 01:18 PM (4ucxv)
Posted by: Shep Smith at January 08, 2011 01:18 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Smileu at January 08, 2011 01:18 PM (p6OcO)
He probably listened to a lecture on Structuralism and language in one of his classes. He interpreted it to mean that language patterns determine the structure of the mind, never read anything else about it, and now it is some conspiracy with mind control, gold, and God knows what else.
Knowledge can be dangerous for someone with severe mental problems and a stronger desire to rant than learn.
Posted by: Paper at January 08, 2011 01:18 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: eman at January 08, 2011 01:19 PM (0aJSF)
Posted by: nickless at January 08, 2011 01:20 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 08, 2011 01:20 PM (S2GiP)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 08, 2011 01:20 PM (S5YRY)
From his YouTube videos:
"No! I won't trust in God!"
So I guess he's not one of those "Christianists" we've all been warned about. I hope his beagles can cheer him up, because Andrew Sullivan is going to be sad.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 08, 2011 01:20 PM (jmJF+)
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2011 01:21 PM (5ktuN)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 08, 2011 01:21 PM (6ftzF)
"Yeah," he told The Post. "The whole tea party."
This guy was probably not a logical thinking Tea Partier, but he was probably sucked in by his identification with the hatred, contempt, irresponsible speech of many of the Tea Partiers "Kill Obama" "Obama is a racist" Obama is Hitler kind of stuff.
Demonizing liberals is not cool. Objecting to our views is OK
Posted by: Walter at January 08, 2011 01:22 PM (oA4y0)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 08, 2011 01:22 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: nickless at January 08, 2011 01:22 PM (MMC8r)
I agree Amish. I spoke a bit too quickly about a possible Ron Paul connection. As I said, I would now be inclined to say that he probably would listen to Alex Jones before Ron Paul.
There was a time when you would see Larouchies on campus talking about monetary policy, but if you were to talk to 22 year old college students today, the ones talking about monetary policy, gold and silver money, etc. are much more likely have been introduced to these ideas policy through Paul.
Posted by: Paper at January 08, 2011 01:23 PM (VoSja)
what next. damn mind.
Posted by: mr. peanut at January 08, 2011 01:23 PM (xQAv5)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 08, 2011 01:23 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: sifty at January 08, 2011 01:23 PM (8dbwr)
Posted by: ace at January 08, 2011 05:17 PM (nj1bB)
Und Ideas are like Virus's. Some good, some bad... but they spread und infect...
Und somtimes you need ze innoculation against a bad idea/virus...
You zeem to have ze 2x4 virus....
Posted by: Siggy Freud at January 08, 2011 01:24 PM (AdK6a)
Huh?
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 08, 2011 01:24 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: eman at January 08, 2011 01:24 PM (0aJSF)
Good lord, have you lefties no decency at all? You, Bill and ergie need to go beat off somewhere else.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 08, 2011 01:24 PM (S5YRY)
"Far right" meaning Fascism tagged by Communists as both were fighting for converts between WWI & WWII? Except that authoritarianism is leftist, regardless of branding.
If a lone culprit, then a deranged person. But even there, as likely as not, someone's patsy.
Assassinations traditionally are performed by leftists, the usual terrorists, not conservatives holding to rule of law.
Who is in need of a crisis to mount public opinion on behalf of authoritarianism to counter the momentum of the Tea Party movement? Especially to "prove" that political opponents of Obama are indeed "enemies"?
And who could be sacrificed by authoritarians in order to provide an excuse for Obama/Holder feds to swoop in not to protect Arizona but to complete the subjugation of that State, held as example for demanding the US Constitution be upheld, even as Giffords suffers violence after voting against Pelosi.
Posted by: maverick muse at January 08, 2011 01:24 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Blackford Oakes at January 08, 2011 01:24 PM (MadRw)
(Ya gotta know how to fight these bastards)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 08, 2011 01:25 PM (o3bYL)
I don't know if it's already been noted, but
Gateway Pundit says he's a liberal rat commie bastard
Posted by: geoff at January 08, 2011 01:25 PM (lkHBp)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2011 01:25 PM (4ucxv)
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at January 08, 2011 01:25 PM (LLkBr)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 08, 2011 05:17 PM (6ftzF)
Well I don't have any evidence that leftist beliefs predispose you towards mental illness - it could be true but I just don't have data to say either way.
But I do think that people who are mentally ill are more likely to be attracted to a leftist ideology. It's a common affectation among the Left that they are persecuted dissidents who are opposed by the Authorities. And this is a very easy fit for many of the delusional mental illnesses.
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 08, 2011 01:25 PM (KbP6k)
Good thing none of the rest of us are never mistaken
Admittedly, we all did think this was an intelligent Military Blog.
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2011 01:25 PM (5ktuN)
Posted by: your name here at January 08, 2011 01:25 PM (0YS61)
Demonizing liberals is not cool. Objecting to our views is OK
So is your theory that this guy thought he was shooting Obama? 'cause I'm not thinking this white lady looks very much like the president.
Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2011 01:26 PM (IDL9N)
Posted by: Dr Mabuse at January 08, 2011 01:26 PM (jgkJo)
Posted by: Shep Smith at January 08, 2011 05:18 PM (EL+OC)
Nah, buy was Nancy Pelosi's luv child... and angry the Representative did not vote for Mommy...
Posted by: National Enquirer at January 08, 2011 01:26 PM (AdK6a)
Posted by: jjshaka at January 08, 2011 01:26 PM (zyMGp)
Read this twitter page.... this girl went to school. college and was in a band with him.. he was a liberal nutcase.
Posted by: Timbo at January 08, 2011 01:26 PM (ph9vn)
Posted by: nickless at January 08, 2011 01:26 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: nohammernosickl at January 08, 2011 01:26 PM (Z/zYN)
I haven't ruled out Barry loving Germany.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 08, 2011 01:26 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: eman at January 08, 2011 01:27 PM (0aJSF)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 08, 2011 01:27 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Timbo at January 08, 2011 05:26 PM (ph9vn)
seems she's lib herself so no lying possibilities either from her as far as her claim he was a lefty
Posted by: YRM (One Of The Youngest Ace Commenters) at January 08, 2011 01:27 PM (K2kVm)
Stick your self-righteous bullshit up your ass sideways, asshole.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 08, 2011 01:27 PM (yMONZ)
Posted by: just another stupid knucklehead like you at January 08, 2011 01:28 PM (jslC/)
Why doesn't the Right want to own it's words?
Posted by: Bill at January 08, 2011 01:28 PM (fA3ty)
Posted by: Blackford Oakes at January 08, 2011 05:24 PM (MadRw)
Someone mention who that was on another thread. I'll see if I can find it.
Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2011 01:29 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: nickless at January 08, 2011 01:29 PM (MMC8r)
Yeah. Because the left dosen't have any violent tendencies to begin with, do they. I'm sure Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn, SDS, Weather Underground, Black Panthers, the SLA, Red Faction, Bader-Meinhoff, and Action Directe were all peace-loving and non-violent until some right-wing bogeyman inspired them to kill people. /sarc
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 08, 2011 01:29 PM (omlt3)
Posted by: Blackford Oakes at January 08, 2011 05:24 PM (MadRw)
Blackford, verumserum has it:
Posted by: tdpwells at January 08, 2011 01:30 PM (Ei3oZ)
Stop masturbating over your keyboard and get back to selling long-distance packages, goldbricker!
Posted by: erg's boss at January 08, 2011 01:30 PM (yMONZ)
Rachel Maddow tweeted something about pointlessness of speculating about Laughner's political views...isn't this the same person who on her TV show tried to implicate a Republican Congressman in the Oklahoma City bombing?
Posted by: ChuckOH at January 08, 2011 01:30 PM (qxiN4)
Posted by: maverick muse at January 08, 2011 01:30 PM (H+LJc)
Ace, watch how this is going to be spun. Here in Los Angeles Congressman Brad Sherman was interviewed within the last hour on radio and the interview centered around healthcare and those opposed to it. The meme is being cast right now in real time. The producers at the big lib outlets are fast preparing story themes to go along with the Arizona tragedy.
The fact of the matter and no one should ever feel sheepish about saying it. And that is, the progressives have been pushing class division and race division and hatred. And they need to be called out on it.
The responsible thing here is to continue to respond with the truth:
1. This was a horrific tragedy. And our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
2. Progressives push division by race and class and embrace such notables as Reverend Wright, Cloward , Piven and Bill Ayers to name a few. None of whom promote temperance and rational discourse.
Posted by: Journolist at January 08, 2011 01:30 PM (LwLqV)
Posted by: ace at January 08, 2011 01:30 PM (nj1bB)
Sarah Palin and staff are quickly scrubbing her websites
When she turns on her webcam and starts scrubbin' those luscious melons of hers, you give us a 'headss up!'.
Deal?
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2011 01:31 PM (5ktuN)
They do love him there. Maybe we can work out some sort of deal where they take him off our hands.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2011 01:31 PM (4ucxv)
Why doesn't the Right want to own it's words?
"its"...the usage doesn't require an apostrophe you stupid commie fuck
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 08, 2011 01:31 PM (DLxD/)
Been listening to NPR and flipping back and forth betwen CNN, MSNBC and Fox to see which would blame it on the political "rhetoric" over the past two years.
It was NPR @ 4:23.
Bonus! They slipped Palins name in due to her "targeting" of democrats.
Posted by: Doug S at January 08, 2011 01:31 PM (rrPSp)
Posted by: Bill at January 08, 2011 05:28 PM (fA3ty)
she's scrubbing the parts on donating to vote her out of office, an appropriate action seeing as to what happen to her, get it right assclown
Posted by: YRM (One Of The Youngest Ace Commenters) at January 08, 2011 01:32 PM (K2kVm)
There were a lot of threats and violent rhetoric from lefties on her Facebook this afternoon.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2011 01:32 PM (4ucxv)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 08, 2011 01:32 PM (yJyNa)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 08, 2011 01:32 PM (5/yRG)
Craig Kilbourne put crosshairs over a photo of President Bush.
Posted by: NC Ref at January 08, 2011 01:32 PM (/izg2)
It's good that our bad examples deliver themselves with blog-side service.
Posted by: sifty at January 08, 2011 01:32 PM (8dbwr)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 08, 2011 01:32 PM (6ftzF)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at January 08, 2011 01:33 PM (nbBrc)
My old office was between two hospitals on a busy street, and occasionally an off-balance person would wonder in. One day a guy came in, clean, casually dressed, and for about 20 seconds I thought he was going to hire me. Until he pointed across the street (to the cancer clinic) and told me there were people over there who were following him. He said that he had been under surveillance since his divorce. Fascinated, I indulged him. He had been under constant surveillance for a few years and that his ex was behind it.
I said, "There is no one following you, and I'll tell you why. Do you know how much it would cost to keep someone under surviellance? For even a short time? It would cost thousands of dollars a day." That fact seemed to be instantly filtered out. "Well, I've seen them" yada yada yada.
Another time, a woman came in frantic, obviously fearful. I felt sorry for her. I got her calmed down a bit and asked her what was wrong. She was being followed too. As she said that, she shot a look over at my bookcase, stepped over, and started looking behind the books. "What are you doing?" "They've been watching me," to paraphrase; "I'm looking for cameras."
There were a few other instances just like those.
Those were my first experiences with that kind of thing. It's fascinating stuff. But stressful. When someone is in real fear, it's hard if you care and want to help.
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 08, 2011 01:33 PM (hzarp)
Posted by: toby928™
His major campaign stop for Weltkaiser '08.
Posted by: maverick muse at January 08, 2011 01:33 PM (H+LJc)
Sarah Palin and staff are quickly scrubbing her websites
When she turns on her webcam and starts scrubbin' those luscious melons of hers, you give us a 'headss up!'.
Deal?
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2011 05:31 PM (5ktuN)
You're kind of a little cunt, aren't you.
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at January 08, 2011 01:34 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: YRM (One Of The Youngest Ace Commenters) at January 08, 2011 01:35 PM (K2kVm)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 08, 2011 01:35 PM (6ftzF)
I could definitely chew some popcorn watching a scene of Sarah washing the snowmobile like Lucille in Cool Hand Luke.
Not to objectify in any way, but dayum.
Posted by: sifty at January 08, 2011 01:36 PM (8dbwr)
That makes sense. The Left also supports violence. Which works for any mentally ill person with a gun and a grudge.
Add to that they're Utopians. They ache to perfect the world. When it doesn't comply, well...
Posted by: nickless at January 08, 2011 01:36 PM (MMC8r)
No shit. Comments there fly so far out of control so fast, it boggles the mind.
i.e. topic is Debt Ceiling and comments are discussing false flag ops in Israel in 3,2,1...
What? what?
Posted by: Derak at January 08, 2011 01:36 PM (CjpKH)
They do did love him there.
/if ever. He's their source for schadenfreude over America's affliction.
Posted by: maverick muse at January 08, 2011 01:37 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: The MFM at January 08, 2011 01:37 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: NC Ref at January 08, 2011 05:32 PM (/izg2)
And a tag line under it saying "Snipers Wanted."
Posted by: NC Ref at January 08, 2011 01:37 PM (/izg2)
Posted by: NC Ref at January 08, 2011 05:32 PM (/izg2)
Yeah, I found it and it was your post.
Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2011 01:38 PM (VuLos)
Read this twitter page.... this girl went to school. college and was in a band with him.. he was a liberal nutcase.
According to her, he was a heavy drinker and a pot head. He also disliked Giffords after meeting her once, which doesn't definitely prove anything (if it's true) but does show some history.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 08, 2011 01:39 PM (RsCf8)
Tragedy? Yes. Is the alleged perp a nutcase? Possibly. Best left to competent medical authorities.
Subtext of most of the MSM commentary by pundits and politicians? It's a REAL tragedy that one or more of theirs (political class/intellectual elite) got shot. The others who were shot and/or died? Nameless drones of no real utility.
That's your story, folks.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 08, 2011 01:39 PM (wjYaM)
You're kind of a little cunt, aren't you.
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at January 08, 2011 05:34 PM (x3YFz)
Does it matter? You're allergic to cunt.
Posted by: Rachel Maddow at January 08, 2011 01:40 PM (5ktuN)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 08, 2011 01:40 PM (5/yRG)
The German people I met while I was there still love him. And Ahhhnold.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2011 01:41 PM (4ucxv)
Posted by: The MFM at January 08, 2011 01:42 PM (FcR7P)
FISH TACO
Posted by: Rachel Maddow at January 08, 2011 05:39 PM (5ktuN)
I just threw up in my mouth
Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2011 01:42 PM (x3YFz)
You're kind of a little cunt, aren't you.
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at January 08, 2011 05:34 PM (x3YFz)
Does it matter? You're allergic to cunt.
Posted by: Rachel Maddow at January 08, 2011 05:40 PM (5ktuN)
Yes. but I do love the vajajay! As do you, I might add.
Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2011 01:43 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 08, 2011 01:44 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 08, 2011 01:44 PM (Y5I9o)
from Great Moments in Internet 2 x 4 History.
Because haikus are too complicated for us morons...
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 08, 2011 01:45 PM (XdlcF)
I just threw up in my mouth
Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2011 05:42 PM (x3YFz)
But are you still ready to engage the target?
Posted by: Second City Youngling at January 08, 2011 01:46 PM (5ktuN)
According to Fox News Obama "ordered FBI Director Robert Mueller to Arizona to lead the investigation." Forgive my ignorance, but does the President have that authority? Wouldn't jurisdiction fall to the locals?
Posted by: sock puppeh at January 08, 2011 01:49 PM (VcPAo)
He's so smart and decisive, he's just dreamy!
Posted by: Li'l Ms. Libtard at January 08, 2011 01:51 PM (zxpIo)
I think it may be because a Federal Judge was assassinated, and a US Congresswoman was shot in the course of her duties as a federal legislator.
Posted by: mama winger at January 08, 2011 01:51 PM (KDX07)
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 08, 2011 01:51 PM (yY08D)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at January 08, 2011 01:52 PM (nbBrc)
She was a federal employee so the Feds have jurisdiction, I would guess.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 08, 2011 01:53 PM (omlt3)
Hmmm, considering the type of head wound she appears to have gotten, a .22 is in the running -- we had a postal worker try to commit suicide with a .22 here with the same sort of result, and fortunately he lived (sorry, I have to lighten my mood and pester somebody).
I think the dude was apolitically political -- I don't think he subscribed to any particular party or ideology...other than "crackpot".
And I still feel very badly about the little kid (a girl wasn't it?)...of all the people, the most innocent and the one most forgotten (being neither a congresswoman, nor a judge). That's the one that's getting to me.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 08, 2011 01:53 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: MFM at January 08, 2011 05:46 PM
Mental hospitals are jails for the differently-mentaled.
Posted by: Other side of MFM's mouth at January 08, 2011 01:54 PM (yY08D)
Posted by: JC at January 08, 2011 01:58 PM (NczSg)
http://tinyurl.com/38js8ys
In other news, the sun rose again today.
Posted by: sock puppeh at January 08, 2011 02:01 PM (VcPAo)
He tried to use a logical construct over and over to, I think, teach viewers of how someone - i.e. "the government" - controls the mind via language and appropriating terminology. In a redundant theme of "If A causes B, and B causes C, then A causes C," he's trying to get viewers to accept this logical fallacy... only he doesn't realize it's a fallacy.
He's wanting people to be more "literate" - and "listening" - so that they'll appreciate what he views as the government taking over language to control the "sleepers."
While he may have particular aggravations on policy issues, I think most of what he has written has to do with creating an example set of his logic with the examples as metaphors. "Currency" isn't actually a beef with monetary policy from the Fed. It's an example of how you use language to create a new currency from old. If you set the definitions and words, you can change them into something else and exchange them with others who aren't aware of the change you made. You then trade in this new, publicly accepted currency of language while sleepers carry on none the wiser. You're creating new language. You're creating new currency. Language == Currency.
This is convoluted stuff from a confused man, but let's not go nuts with the Ron Paul/Fed associations. This is a guy who is ticked off at the Constitution... or at least what has been done to it in his mind via government that doesn't treat the original words in an absolutist manner and who believes the government is manipulating the voters. Now, exactly how "asleep" he is or wants to be remains unknown since he could be defining what he is or is asking to really be put to sleep to awaken others of his realizations.
/end blogchair analysis
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 08, 2011 02:07 PM (swuwV)
----the Fed is in the Food-------
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 08, 2011 02:10 PM (UqKQV)
Judges are allowed to attend political events as private citizens, just not in their official capacity as judge.
Posted by: sock puppeh at January 08, 2011 02:17 PM (VcPAo)
"Oh, there's another 2x4 sign."
LOVE FEET
"Oh, there's another 2x4 sign."
LICK FEET
"Oh, there's another 2x4 sign."
MORE FEET
Posted by: Rex Ryan at January 08, 2011 02:17 PM (5ktuN)
"The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar. "
The spell checker made him do it!
Posted by: Chas at January 08, 2011 02:21 PM (D1yfa)
Posted by: hobbes at January 08, 2011 02:26 PM (du4U/)
WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY KENNY???!!!!!
I need to retune my tin foil hat. I keep hearing messages saying that we need to spend money that's not ours to bail ourselves out of debt, create a beauracracy more massive than medicare and something about "I rule America by executive order. HA HA HA HA "
Posted by: harleycowboy at January 08, 2011 02:26 PM (GEA1m)
--Sadly, that's not "strange" at all. Many Blacks in America harbor a lot of conspiracy theories (e.g., almost all of Jeremiah Whright's congregation).
Posted by: logprof at January 08, 2011 02:27 PM (BP6Z1)
There is not other way to put it. This was a human time bomb walking about.
Posted by: Full Moon at January 08, 2011 02:39 PM (DtbEv)
307 I'm guessing it wasn't a .22 either due to the type of .22 you'd need was not a run of the mill type, but I'm talking splitting hairs about the capabilities of .22s rather than conjecturing as to what the actual weapon in this attack was.
It is, however, imho, very foolish to be too nonchalant as to the capabilities of .22s...I've seen a lot of people think they are little pea shooters -- but that's not a good way to think of any firearm -- they can kill people, and at a further range than many think. Again, jmo.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 08, 2011 02:54 PM (5/yRG)
Incoherent ramblings on Youtube: Check
Uses words with wrong meanings in place of similar sounding words to explain himself: Check
-Description of Obama speaking without a teleprompter.
Posted by: Speller at January 08, 2011 02:56 PM (J74Py)
Posted by: hobbes at January 08, 2011 03:01 PM (du4U/)
Well...I need to go make something for dinner.
Got any suggestions for what to serve with sauerbraten?
Posted by: unknown jane at January 08, 2011 03:04 PM (5/yRG)
I would be curious as to where he got these ideas from. I'm thinking one of the classes at the community college he attended. It's the kind of pseudointellectual crap that passes for intellect in academia these days. Sounds like a lot of avant garde non-thinking thinking. I'm guessing there's a whole course of this kind of thing ("Mind and society" perhaps?) and a professor really inspired him.
Let me say, I don't think he got his wacko nutcase ideas from the prof, but my interest in academia leads me to be curious.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2011 03:11 PM (BvBKY)
318 From the sounds of the guy, no -- he didn't know that much about firearms, nor that sort of firing ability.
As for hitting something vital: that's why I brought up double tapping, with the right firearm and the right round, if you know how to double tap...could get very lethal.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 08, 2011 03:16 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Breaking News at January 08, 2011 03:54 PM (MNYI+)
Who knows. I think "pseudointellectual" nails it though. It could well be that he has read valid, legitimate texts in logic and either misinterpreted them or has actually manufactured his own thought train by blending those texts with political activism, dogma, poetry (suitable for the age of YouTube), and a bit of crazy.
I mean I think I understand some of what I'm reading, but some of it could be a) crazy nuts, b) artistry with poetic license, c) mixing and morphing as a tease for his coming crime, d) variably interpretable, defensive material for evidence post-crime for an insanity plea, or e) innumerable things we cannot think of.
Now I don't really think he was crazy nuts, but he did have irrational thoughts rationally applied. I don't have any reservations that he could have picked it up from academia though. Sometimes subtle doesn't translate well and leads to tragic paths just as equally as outright radicalism.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 08, 2011 03:57 PM (swuwV)
Keith Olberman just reported that the Army rejected the shooter's application.
Now he's trying to tie Sarah Palin to the shooting.
Posted by: Tantor at January 08, 2011 04:49 PM (Ek/Oc)
320 Depends upon who was teaching the class -- some of this stuff (that he wrote) can be tied back to the idea of grammar/writing being an imperfect method of communication. I've used that concept myself in 101 Comp. -- that the writer needs to be very aware of clearly communicating to the audience and aware of the inherent bias that any writing will contain; that the reader needs to be aware of this as well. In short, words don't mean anything...they're only symbols. The ethical instructor uses this to exhort students to be as clear and unbiased as possible and to look out for it when doing research...an unethical one could really mess with someone who was susceptible to that sort of thing (and believe me, there are some very susceptible students: way too many believe or want to believe in far out conspiracy stuff. I blame Oliver Stone and Mikey Moore).
A lot of the ramblings in one of the youtube's reminds me of some pretty standard post-colonialist and deconstructionist stuff, and it isn't just used in the humanities only I might add.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 08, 2011 05:08 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Granite Sentry at January 08, 2011 08:43 PM (w/fun)
BCE stands for "before the common era" and CE for "common era." The moron thinks BCE means something like Before Christ Era and AD would then become Anno Domini Era by analogy.
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Posted by: John Galt at January 09, 2011 05:53 AM (80GjT)
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