1

Sarah Palin's latest Facebook post is a big wet kiss to her "Union Brothers and Sisters".

Anyone want to tell me that she is not completely pro-union now?

2 Mr. Creasote, posing as a Government employee:  "I couldn't possibly have another bite."

But he'll still want the thin, little mint to top off his dinner at the taxpayer's buffet.

3 @1

Did you read it?  Please summarize.

4 Question: If the 1st amendment to the Constitution gives us "freedom of association" then is a closed-shop union unconstitutional?

5
If public workers can't stand the stigma of working for the government, they are free to get a job in the private sector (if they can find one). Short of that, they need to stop whining and say thank you every time they deal with an actual taxpayer.





THIS +1000

6 Katrina vanden Heuvel? Huh??

7 Isn't leftwing nutjob redundant?

8 Katrina vanden Heuvel is right.  Just got off the phone with my county tax office, we conservatives should take the high road and not be mean to the mentally disabled.

9

Anyone want to tell me that she is not completely pro-union now?

Posted by: CMaJH at September 06, 2011 10:50 AM (WtGFb)

This is a union wet kiss?

When big government, big business, and big union bosses collude together, they get government to maximize their own interests against those of the rest of the country.

10 Big wet kiss my ass.

11 I actually heard someone on TV make the argument that teachers needed to be unionized because there was no private sector counterpart.

Yes...imagine.  A school.  In the private sector.  What would such a thing look like?

Maybe we should ask Barack Obama because I think the only time he has ever set foot in a public school was to do a photo op.

12

3 @1

"Did you read it? Please summarize."

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She's basically saying "I'm one of You" to the Unions. She slams "union bosses"....while giving a big hug to union members.

13 The libs love to equate federal government jobs with the local variety, like police, firemen and teachers.  It's one of their favorite tricks.

Complain about socialism?  They will quickly trot out their list:  Oh you don't like socialism?  What about Police? Firemen? Teachers?  All social programs..  Then they contend Tea Party types (only they call them teabaggers, of course) want to do away with all the above jobs!

I like to point out to them, that when Chicago furloughed whole departments for days at a time and shut down their offices, no one seemed to even notice!  You could easily get rid of 1/3 of all fed desk jockeys, and you would not notice a difference.

I'm getting real tired of these assholes.

14 Today, we are all bitterly clinging terrorist Hobbit barbarian son of a b***hs.

15 @12 Ok, and what do you think she was trying to accomplish?

16 I hereby declare September 11 to be Hug a Public Employee Day.

17 >> If you can't cut 10-20% 80-100% of those people, you aren't trying.

FIFY

18 Posted by: Tami at September 06, 2011 10:55 AM (X6akg)

If people hate Sarah and or don't want her to run, they shouldn't do this crap.  Because the bulk of the support she has is that of people who defend her from insane ridiculous charges.

19 Getting nervous in government service, they are

the foundations are cracking...

20 16 I hereby declare September 11 to be Hug Flip Off a Public Employee Day.

Posted by: SCoaMF at September 06, 2011 10:58 AM (gjsMD)\

FIFY

21 She's basically saying "I'm one of You" to the Unions. She slams "union bosses"....while giving a big hug to union members.

If you read it, you'd realize that she's trying to get through to the rank and file union members and open their eyes to all the bullshit the union leaders are doing to them.  She's telling them to wake up to who the real asshats are.

Don't confuse union members with union leadership.

22 Guess our public employee secretaries never got Katrina's memo. They played computer solitaire all day and would burst into tears or a screaming fit if anyone asked them to actually work.

Of course, they all took paid time off to attend union meetings where they bitched and moaned about their horrible jobs.

23 Isn't leftwing nutjob redundant? Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 06, 2011 10:53 AM (1Jaio) Yes, but well, they are rather slow on the uptake

24 Jimmy Hoffa Jr. speaks with the tongue of a $2 whore

25 Obama's poll numbers are at a low but you are forgetting he has a speech coming up which will send his numbers into the stratosphere. Obama has republicans where he wants them.

26

Unions add to the cost of everything that we have to buy.......Union demands are one of the biggest reasons why manufacturing jobs have left the country.

Union members elect their leaders, don't they?

To slam 'union bosses' without addressing the basic selfish premiss behind the unions themselves.......is a copout.

Collective bargaining is not a right.....Palin is not saying that, is she? No. She is not. She is not speaking out in favor of 'right to work' either....which is a basic conservative principle.

27

Today, we are all bitterly clinging terrorist Hobbit barbarian son of a b***hs.

and we better pony up more money for the endless amounts of beurocrats who are doing important work making life unbearable and killing private sector jobs with distrust.

 

28 are we digging holes today or filling them in?
i'm confused cuz of the holiday
my back hurts

29 Sarah Palin's latest Facebook post is a big wet kiss to her "Union Brothers and Sisters".

Disgraceful.

30 Katrina vanden Heuvel? Huh??

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at September 06, 2011 10:53 AM

You're supposed to say, "I'd hit it." It's traditional and stuff.

31 Posted by: Greg at September 06, 2011 11:04 AM (nKQNh)

You're not the real Greg.  The real Greg is Manly Man, doing Manly things in a Manly way.

32 Katrina vanden Heuvel basic point is that the citizen taxpayers are not being nice enough to the government employees.  Her basic mistake is to think that the purpose of citizens is to serve the government rather than that the purpose of government is to serve the citizens.

33 Obama has republicans where he wants them.

Posted by: Greg at September 06, 2011 11:04 AM (nKQNh)

In charge of the house?

34 Ah, Katrina vanden Hoover. Of "The Nation," which touts itself as the country's oldest magazine. That might explain its senile dementia, and her own.

35 We don't need the teachers we have now. Too many of them are in it to have a secure job, a nice pension and summers off. we need people who are good at teaching and want to teach.

36 Say what you will, ever since we got a Department of Energy and a Department of Education we have hod no problems with energy or education.

37 Arise, Workers!  Let us kill these fat Bourgeois pigs!

38 I was without power for 6 days after Irene. Was it a public employee who restored my service? Hell no, it was a private tree crew with a private contractor who fixed it.

39 try and take me out....i dare them.............

40

Democrats only find job stimulation in government jobs that require the tax payer in the private sector to pony up endless amounts of tax hikes to pay for the useless paper-pushing bureaucrats. Useless paper pushing bureaucrats who think big thoughts about how they should save America by forcing job-killing regulations down our throats.

 

 

41 reposting from The Hill-too good not to pass on-The High Road

I didnÂ’t have the Labor Day
I hoped that it would be:
I first was called barbarian,
And then an SOB.

And what, you ask, may I have done
To cause such repartee?
I registered Republican,
And voted GOP.

I scoffed at Mr. Harry Reid,
And wrote a little verse
That mocked Ms. Debbie Wasserman,
Which makes me even worse.

So far IÂ’ve done my level best
To add a bit of flair
To all my bits of poetry,
And every rhyming pair.

And is it far too much to ask
That they should do the same?
To find a clever turn of phrase
With which they might take aim?

I wish theyÂ’d coin an epithet
A little more adroit,
But one is our Vice President –
The otherÂ’s from Detroit.

42

She's basically saying "I'm one of You" to the Unions. She slams "union bosses"....while giving a big hug to union members.

Posted by: CMaJH at September 06, 2011 10:56 AM (WtGFb)

I despise my union bosses as well. Are you saying I should dislike Palin because also she hates them while not hating on me, the rank and file?

43 these people have lost all credibilty

44

In charge of the house?

Posted by: Tami at September 06, 2011 11:05 AM (X6akg)

What has that gotten them. Based on polling, Dems will take back the House!

45 Go try and hire someone fresh out of high school and then come back and tell me teachers are essential.

46 Every month until this past one, the private sector has added jobs, and every month the public sector has lost them.

Really?  I thought it was the opposite.  More fed jobs, fewer private sector ones.  Was I wrong, or is she?

47 I urge Congress to act now to solve America's unemployment crisis by passing my proposal to create a Department of Jobs, which almost immediately will save or create 110,000 unionized jobs answerable to me personally.

48
Katrina vanden Heuvel? Huh??





I think she moonlights selling designer jeans.

49 I'll quit being mean to public employees as soon as they quit being a whiny, demanding union thuggery organization that wants more of my tax dollars so they can retire at age forty five if they want. And yes the good ones have to suffer the wrath for the actions of the bad ones.

50

43.....I despise my union bosses as well. Are you saying I should dislike Palin because also she hates them while not hating on me, the rank and file?

Posted by: mugiwara at September 06, 2011 11:09 AM (W7ffl)

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Why are you in a union?

51

Short of that, they need to stop whining and say thank you every time they deal with an actual taxpayer.

Exactly.  I have the great blessing of occasionally dealing with Medicare in an attempt to repay liens.  Note that I am trying to give Medicare money.  It is unbelievable what it takes to get Medicare to answer the question "how much money do I have to give you?"  I finally lost it a few years ago and screamed at someone "I pay you!  You work for me!  I am trying to give you money!"  Yeah, that was accepted well.  Whenever I think of government workers, I think of those with Medicare who cannot be arsed to assist me in telling me how much money I need to pay back to the government.

I loathe the whole bit about pretending all government workers are the cops and firefighters.  No.  They are the DMV and the clerks at the zoning office. 

 

52 I'm a county employee and unfortunately I'm stuck with the SEIU thugs whether I like it or not.  I hate these bastards and scream at them every chance I get.

53 when i think of nazis i think katy von hoof
and elanor clift-nasty nazi's
 friendly nazi's would be jack benny and curly

54 I was without power for a day and a half after Irene, but I didn't wait for some gummint person to help me out either.

I ran on my own generator that I had purchased years ago ... ant and grasshopper-like ... for just such a scenario.

And then, after my power had been restored, I offered it to a friend when I found out they were still without power.

Imagine that .. personal responsibility and a sense of community alive and well, even though that Government Check™ has done its damnedest to eliminate both.

55 Mr. Creasote, posing as a Government employee: "I couldn't possibly have another bite." I hadn't seen Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life" in at least 20 years, but coincidentally happened to watch it yesterday. It's still pretty funny. Though I'd forgotten Mr. Creasote's name, my brother and I, after a large meal at a family get-together, will turn to each other and say, "Bring me a bucket".

56 "Say what you will, ever since we got a Department of Energy and a Department of Education we have had no problems with energy or education." If your wit were any drier, this blog would be a fire hazard.

57

The democrats always make it an all or nothing game. We all agree to pay for police and public school teachers and firefighters. What we cannot afford are the fat unsustainable pensions.

 

58 35 Ah, Katrina vanden Hoover. Of "The Nation," which touts itself as the country's oldest magazine.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 06, 2011 11:06 AM (AZGON)

Ah, this is much like a boast of being the country's oldest buggy whip manufacturer.

59

Why are you in a union?

Posted by: CMaJH at September 06, 2011 11:12 AM (WtGFb)

I don't speak for mugiwara, but most people are forced to be in a union.

Enslaved, if you will.

60 I notice that the Public Employee Union Shill Democrat has NO problem wanting to gut the actual non-unionized, far cheaper per skill level task Armed Forces member.....

why is that?

//rhetorical

61 Two thousand and eleven has been one of the toughest years for public workers that I can remember.

Cheers to 2011! Hoping to have many more just like it.

62 What the baroness and other PEU sympathizers fail to acknowledge, is that if we could legitimately cut some of the true fat and excess, there would be less pressure on the first responder/teacher types that would remain to do more with less.

I don't buy her less with more premise, fwiw, but even if I did, she doesn't acknowledge that having all of the bureaucratic waste hurts those who many do agree are essential. 

 

63 I've mentioned here before that my mom was a teacher and works for the administration in her district now. She was complaining when Gov. Scott made cuts to education funding in this year's budget. But, funnily enough, she's actually a lot happier at work now that the cuts have gone into effect since they're doing more work with fewer employees. They're busy so the ladies in her office have no time to sit around and complain or fart around on the internet for half their day. It's also helped to bring her around to my POV that the school systems are extremely inefficient and could do the same amount of work with less bodies.

64 53 I'm a county employee and unfortunately I'm stuck with the SEIU thugs whether I like it or not.  I hate these bastards and scream at them every chance I get.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 06, 2011 11:13 AM (iYbLN)

A better attack is that the SEIU is a sucky union.  Seriously, they get squat.  Advocate for a different union.

65

I know someone mentioned it on the last thread but, if you didn't catch DWS on Fox this morning, you should try and catch the tape. I've gotta give to Carlson, she didn't take her crap or her feigned indignance.

 

What a P.O.S.

66 26 Greg,

so do I

67 And yes the good ones have to suffer the wrath for the actions of the bad ones.

Thanks, at least you acknowledge they exist. 

68

Enslaved, if you will.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 06, 2011 11:15 AM (T0NGe)

Yes. Some people make poor choices in life.

69 26 greg,

so do we!

70 26 greg,

Hai we are on the case as well!

71 Leftwing nutjob -- Yes, please, ignore the fact that most public employees are paid better, have better benefits, are nearly unfireable, frequently have bad attitudes and a lousy work ethic, and constantly whine for more more more.
 
That's the ticket sugartit.
 
Or you could face the fact that the pendulum is swinging the other way. My personal sympathy meter is resting on dead zero. Just like my gas tank.

72

Why are you in a union?

Posted by: CMaJH at September 06, 2011 11:12 AM (WtGFb)

Because they take my dues out of my paycheck, automatically member or not, and the only way I can request the portion given to political causes returned to me is by being a member.

73

Yes. Some people make poor choices in life.

Posted by: Barbarian at September 06, 2011 11:18 AM (EL+OC)

Slaves don't get to make choices.

74

Two thousand and eleven has been one of the toughest years for public workers that I can remember.

Damnit, where did I put that small violin?

75 >> If you can't cut 10-20% 80-100%  all of those people, you aren't trying.

FIFY

Posted by: Andy at September 06, 2011 10:59 AM (5Rurq)

FIFY

76 Public school teachers do nothing but train students to do jobs that no longer exist in a 1st world country--do what you are told, when you are told, in the way you are told; a race to the bottom we have all lost competing against ever cheaper wages to do the same mundane, routine tasks.

If we hadn't have been paying a guy $40+ an hour to push a button and swing a chassis around, we might be the guys building and designing the robots that do those jobs now. Money that could have been spent on R&D was instead spent on wages to a guy who's been replaced by a barely literate kid in another country.

Meanwhile, the UAW still has that multi-million dollar resort, don't they?

77 50 polynikes,

indeed....as i said when Hoffa spread verbal pap yesterday....

I don't feel a lot of sympathy for the folks who empower Hoffa and barry and friends

78 1 Sarah Palin's latest Facebook post is a big wet kiss to her "Union Brothers and Sisters". Anyone want to tell me that she is not completely pro-union now? Posted by: CMaJH at September 06, 2011 10:50 AM (WtGFb) SP has always been pro Union worker, anti Union boss. Since Day 1. Todd belonged to a union. Her position is nothing new.

79

Katrina vanden Heuvel

I swear that I always thought this was a name that Rush had made up as a joke like his plastic banana good-time charlie rock n roll fm radio listener. I assumed that she was just another name for California libtard douchnozzle. But she's real! Still illustrative, but real!

80

60......I don't speak for mugiwara, but most people are forced to be in a union.

Enslaved, if you will.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 06, 2011 11:15 AM (T0NGe)

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Then they should be *for* the concept of Right-to-Work....shouldn't they?

No one should be forced to join a union just to be able to take a job.

Right-to-Work laws simply remove the union's power to force people to join.

81 73 GnuBreed,

no need to say "thanks" we know you appreciate our hard work....

82 Posted by: the Light Brigade at September 06, 2011 11:18 AM (AEIYh)

To be fair: the Light Brigade probably knew they were screwed, and attacked anyway.  Greg and his ilk don't even realize the doom which they have brought upon themselves.

Oh, and before I forget: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

83 OT but a heads-up to those in the NFL.com Moron League.  The draft that got messed up last night is re-scheduled for tonight at 10 Eastern.  See y'all there!

Oh, and 0bama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

84
Katrina van den Snivel has that same "Do you smell something bad?" look on her face as John Meecham.

85 #69 yes they do exist but even the good ones get caught up in the gravy train that's available to them. I come from a family that has a large number of fire fighters. All of them pushed the envelop on benefits allegedly due.

86 Too much is coming too fast. The smash-and-grabbers are acting like short-timers.

87 Come on. If you read this

you are forgetting he has a speech coming up which will send his numbers into the stratosphere.

and don't immediately think "sock", you should get your sarcasm detector replaced.

88 The last decade has been marked by both peril and possibility, and in all of it there has been no shortage of American heroes. Many, if not the vast majority, worked for the government — as firefighters and police, as teachers and rescue workers.

Ok, does anyone else see the category that doesn't belong here?

89 60 AmishDude,

if the "prisoners of the unions" used their angst as fuel to get the closed shops open whether by litigation or lobbying their coworkers there'd be no problem as it stands it strikes me they benefit from the extortions they enable their leadership to garner through "bargaining" and buying off donk politicians.

90 Nice post, Drew.

91

Then they should be *for* the concept of Right-to-Work....shouldn't they?

No one should be forced to join a union just to be able to take a job.

Right-to-Work laws simply remove the union's power to force people to join.

Posted by: CMaJH at September 06, 2011 11:22 AM (WtGFb)

I really don't understand you. Are you saying because I'm forced to pay union dues that I am against Right-to-Work?

92 89 Waterhouse,

is socking the sock not allowed anymore?

93 >> OT but a heads-up to those in the NFL.com Moron League.  The draft that got messed up last night is re-scheduled for tonight at 10 Eastern.  See y'all there!

Thanks. I'll stick that at the top of the sidebar.

94 Oh, boo hoo, poor, oppressed public workers!

If you see one of these toiling, hard-working, selfless servents of all give him a hug.  I'm soooooooo sad.

95 My personal sympathy meter is resting on dead zero.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 06, 2011 11:19 AM (ENKCw)

What are you, some kind of touchy-feely mincing fag?

My sympathy meter has been reading negative for a long, long time.

No risk of firing.

No risk of lay off

Great pension and no contribution requirement.

Excellent pay for very little work.

Fuck 'em all.

96 93 Mugi,

you try to decertify Thug Inc?

You ever explain to any reachable fellow workers that you ARE leaving potential benefits on the table to empower a Malthusian Death Cult based political machine?

97
UAW workers are the best.

They only smoke dope and drink beer on their breaks.

98 Oh, and as of 2010, we had more government employees then people working in manufacturing and construction. Does that sound right to anyone else?

99 92 RDBrewer,

yes it is....

the argument of just how complicit the "prisoners of fate and the closed shop" union members are in their union's antics is welcome.

100

I really don't understand you. Are you saying because I'm forced to pay union dues that I am against Right-to-Work?

Posted by: mugiwara at September 06, 2011 11:24 AM (W7ffl)

 

No. That's not what I am saying at all.

But......Are you against Right-to-Work?

101 There's a certain irony in Katrina's whining. Much of the governmental services she mentions are paid for with property taxes (at least in my neck of the woods), which have dried up in recent years because of the housing market crash. My house just got reappraised downward for the second time, so my property taxes will drop again. I should probably be paying 1.5 times what I am currently paying in property taxes. Of course, the housing market crash was largely caused by governmental policies, of the kind that people like Ms. vanden Heuvel support.

102 Oh, and presuming the Republicans take Congress and the Presidency in 2012, one of their first acts should be to ban public employee unions.

There is NO reason besides bilking the taxpayer for such a group to exist.

103 Heather Vandeven >>>> Katrina vanden Heuvel

104 Fire all those sons of bitches!  Even if they are women, they are sons of bitches.

105 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

106 >> Oh, and as of 2010, we had more government employees then people working in manufacturing and construction. Does that sound right to anyone else?

IIRC, there are also more USDA employees than full-time farmers.

107 98 93 Mugi,

you try to decertify Thug Inc?

You ever explain to any reachable fellow workers that you ARE leaving potential benefits on the table to empower a Malthusian Death Cult based political machine?

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 11:26 AM (AEIYh)

Actually about 90% of the people who work in my position are rather rabidly anti-union. We're unfortunately lumped into the catch-all public employee union, alongside the army of social "workers". We can't leave the union unless the union votes to allow us to. Seeing as how we're outnumbered by social workers by a scale of about 20 to 1, we're screwed.

I do however make sure everyone in my office gets the form to request political contributions back. Even the fat shit, lazy ass, union steward takes advantage of that one.

108
I'm a skinny girl all alone and I have to negotiate every single contract I get -- and I work completely on contract.

Unions are full of great big burly big-gutted men who apparently would scream like babies if they ever had to negotiate for themselves instead of relying on their unions to get them five sick days a month for their periods.

109 That's strange. There's no mention of the military in her entire article.

110 I went through the entire A-section of today's Raleigh News and Observer and there wasn't a single mention of Hoffa's "take them out" rant.  Not one.  Bastards.

111

No. That's not what I am saying at all.

But......Are you against Right-to-Work?

Posted by: CMaJH at September 06, 2011 11:28 AM (WtGFb)

Seriously man, you must be retarded or something. Obviously I'd much rather give a grand to my union every year to support their commie agenda then support Right-to-Work. I mean, why else would I ask for whatever I can get back from them every year?

112 here on our military base we have the pleasure of working with "unfireable"public employees. It sometimes seems that no matter how rude,how incompetent ,how redundant,it literally takes an act of congress to remove these people. One lady I know was a vendor at the commissary and a STORE MANAGER changed a financial receipt that was submitted by the vendor to ADD items that hadn't been used. the vendor confronted the manager when she accidentally found out and turned her in for fraud and all DeCA did was give her a counseling statement in her file. That was it,for something that a bank employee in the private sector or even a manager at McDonald's would be fired for. Some of these civilians also work at the hospital and if you are in the emergency room waiting in line,you can see them through the glass window eating nachos and talking on their phone. There should be no such thing as a job you can't be fired from-it makes slugs out of the employees.

113 and don't immediately think "sock", you should get your sarcasm detector replaced.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 06, 2011 11:24 AM (JUzf5)

At first, I did think sock.  But when I checked the hash, nothing turned up.  Doesn't the real Greg change his hash all the time?

114 109 Mugiwara,

ah I see so you are a civil servant then and not actually a member of the declining in number scavenging off the actual productive economy unions but the Public Employee outright extort the taxpayer direct union.....

got ya....

gonna be a pleasure solving your problem for you if we take back the senate and white house next year there are a LOT of GS-7-9 typists with fott and a half long nails that need firing or disciplined and told lose the nails or lose your job.

115 Wasn't the "Civil Service" by law (Civil Service Act?) supposed to be non-partisan?  If so, why are so many of its members forced to join unions that overwhelmingly support one party?

116 111 mamaAJ,

oh she's all for spiking the military....

they do "evil things" after all in her internal monologue of a five year old target audience of a morality play

117 117 logprof,

because our GOP leadership quit fighting that fight back during the Nixon era....

if the civil service is going to be partisan democrat no problem....

we'll just return to patronage and fire them every cycle of party change.....

why hire a bunch of Mafioso as the middlemen between bribe and political class?

118

No. That's not what I am saying at all.

But......Are you against Right-to-Work?

Posted by: CMaJH at September 06, 2011 11:28 AM (WtGFb)

...Is that seriously a question?  Because if so it's a silly one, particularly given mugiwara's preceding comments.  I don't think there's anyone here at the HQ who's anti-RTW.  I'm a State employee and I'm pro-RTW.  Our dem governor vetoed NH's Right-to-Work bill, or I'd be out of the frigging SEIU like a ball out of a cannon.  Hopefully our legislature will bring it back, and make it even STRONGER this time. 

Perhaps you need a cold glass of water to cool your brain fever, CM.

119

80.....SP has always been pro Union worker, anti Union boss. Since Day 1. Todd belonged to a union. Her position is nothing new.

Posted by: Joejm65 at September 06, 2011 11:22 AM (C0Kzf)

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Palin has been holding herself up as a 'Judge' of "true conservative principles".

Being pro-union is not a "true conservative principle", since unions add layers of cost to what consumers must pay for goods and services.

Unions are anti-capitalism, anti-free market. Period.

And goverment unions are against 'we the taxpayers'.....There should be no government unions. They have power over us and a monopoly on their revenue source = our tax dollars. Which are taken from us by force. We are not free to simply take our tax dollars and go purchase a service that is better.

120

Damnit, where did I put that small violin?

Here it is, Kratos.

121 gonna be a pleasure solving your problem for you if we take back the senate and white house next year there are a LOT of GS-7-9 typists with fott and a half long nails that need firing or disciplined and told lose the nails or lose your job.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 11:34 AM (AEIYh)

Amen, sven. Clerical staff does about as much work in a year as I get done in a day. In fact, I do most of the clerical work myself because I know it will never get done if I give it to the secretary.

 

 

And I still have time to dick around on the computer...

122 16 I hereby declare September 11 to be Hug a Public Employee Day.

Posted by: SCoaMF at September 06, 2011 10:58 AM (gjsMD)

 

The other 364 days of the year are reserved for Bend Over for Public Employees Day.

123

If public workers can't stand the stigma of working for the government, they are free to get a job in the private sector (if they can find one).

Trust me, I've been trying.  I've had interviews, but no bites.  *sigh*

Short of that, they need to stop whining and say thank you every time they deal with an actual taxpayer.

I don't whine, and I wake up every morning and say, out loud, "I'm grateful to still have a job."  How long that will last is always in doubt.

124 Yeah, unfortunately when the cuts come, it's always police, teachers, firefighters, etc.  Here in Jefferson County, AL when the county had it's occupational tax ruled unconstitutional (it exempted employees that had to get a state license, like attorneys and doctors, from the occupational tax) the *first* thing they did was close all the satellite courthouses and force everyone to stand in long lines at the downtown courthouse.  They were forcing everyone to suffer to get their precious tax dollars back.

It sickens me that the gov't employees at the top never seem to take a pay or benefits cut, but the teachers and sheriff deputies are the first to go.

125 Getting a government job should not entitle you to be a millionaire.   The pensions that they do not pay for or contribute very little does just that.

We cannot sustain it.

126 114 concealed carrie,

ah the noble "civil servant" gets promoted for f*cking up/fraud if tyey are a protected class employee.....

I have seen a woman in the Crypto office of an airbase "misuse" a government credit card to the tune of 17,500 bucks and get promoted out so the security risk was not in a sensitive shop and they wouldn't have to lobby to get her punished.....

you could cut 20% of the federal budget next month and nobody would notice but the thieves.

127 Posted by: Andy at September 06, 2011 11:25 AM (5Rurq)

--Thanks for the PSA!  It looks like from the league page that a couple guys are aware, but I was worried someone else may not have checked back after the crash last night.

128

oh she's all for spiking the military....

they do "evil things" after all in her internal monologue of a five year old target audience of a morality play

And yet THEY get yellow ribbons and civil servants returning from a conference in Las Vegas get nothing! How is that fair?

129 Katrina, there's a reason "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" has become one of the most notorious punchlines aside from "I call it 'The Aristocrats'!". And it's because sometimes it seems like the government has discovered even more ways to screw you than the Aristocrats had to screw each other.

130 If so, why are so many of its members forced to join unions that overwhelmingly support one party?

I'm technically a public employee, and while I never joined the union, I pay dues to it (roughly $300 a year; if I pay $6 more a year, I can become a full-fledged member! But, I'll just by a six-pack of beer and pretend that it's compliments of the union). I was told when I joined that it was voted on that non-union members are to pay union dues. Voted on by whom? Those in the union? Those not in the union? Both?

Doesn't make much sense to me that you can just have a vote to tell non-union members that they have to start paying union dues.

131 Let the public employees "FEEL OUT PAIN"

132 Katrina vanden Heuvel sounds like possibly the name of the prostitute who dressed David Vitter up in diapers.

133 Posted by: CMaJH at September 06, 2011 11:37 AM (WtGFb)

Hey, CMaJH.  (How do you pronounce that, anyway?)  Why don't you take your Palin rant somewhere else until you can be coherent.  We can trash Palin with the best of them, but conflating Private unions with Public unions, and conflating union members with union leadership does not add a lot of weight to your case.

Also, asking anyone here if they are "against right-to-work" shows ignorance of the highest (lowest?) order.

134 130 K Vander Hoosey,

all give some....we civil servants give our all baby.

135 and on the eve of the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, they deserve much better.

Yeah. The overpaid fat-assed bureaucrats who exist to give my money away to people who just don't much feel like working really deserve my undying respect. Because of their 9/11 heroics, of course.

When our public school teachers are constantly asked to do more with less, when they work to prepare the next generation for an uncertain economic future, they deserve our deepest gratitude

Fuck off. I'm so tired of this attitude. Teachers aren't heroes. They work a job just like anyone else. Some of them are fantastic and some of them are lazy, incompetent fucks.

You want to know who has my gratitude? Oil industry workers. Every day when I climb into my car and drive wherever the hell I want to go, I think about how grateful I am that someone was smart and industrious enough to pull such an affordable fuel source out of the ground and make it available for my use.

Also, I'm grateful for lumberjacks for providing the material from which my home was built, and who have far more dangerous jobs than policemen and firefighters. You don't hear them beating their chests about it, though, and demanding they be allowed to retire at 55 on my dime. Funny how that it is. Guess it makes me like 'em even more.

136
Ah, Katrina vanden Hoover. Of "The Nation," which touts itself as the country's oldest magazine.






Actually, I like The Nation. They're considerate enough to use soft, absorbent newsprint that's gentle on the bottom for their magazine, unlike those heartless cretins at Newsweek who use slick, water-resistant processed paper.

137 OT: My relatives still waiting to hear if their house is burned.  Gov Perry spoke from there this AM.

138 It sickens me that the gov't employees at the top never seem to take a pay or benefits cut, but the teachers and sheriff deputies are the first to go. It's the paper pushers who make those calls - you need your elected representatives to fix that by eliminating non-vital positions and relaxing procurement, contracting, and employment rules. Government tends to make it's job overly complex and inefficient in favor of fairness, reverse that and demand the most efficient, smallest government.

139

I'm guessing this guy is completely and totally full of shit. No problem. They pay him well for it.

He makes over $100k per year but sued and won for "back raises" he didn't get. He suffered, you see.

140
Teachers aren't heroes.

Yes they are. And so are we.

141 132 Mullaney,

just wait until they get the workers' paradise they're craving....the "chosen" will set all sorts of things for everyone....

wage controls, price controls, speech controls, diet controls, 'donation' controls.....

it'll be a brave new world baby

142 The Nation. Is that English for Pravda?

143
I am also a hero.

144 Bloggers are heroes... with brave fingers...

145 Are we at war with her, too?

146 Posted by: Lone Marauder at September 06, 2011 11:39 AM (/bVuS)

This is something we should hit, locally, every time it comes up.  "Mr. (or Mrs.) Mayor, City Council.  I notice that every time we, the taxpayers, tell you, the top bureaucrats that we don't want to be taxed any more, you always target emergency responders and other essential staff for pay-cuts, layoffs, and so forth.  When was the last time you suffered a pay-cut?  Or even did without a pay raise?"

147 And another thing...why on earth do we have people getting advanced teaching degrees?

Almost any adult can teach, and do an ok job at it without any formal training,

It seems to me teaching should start with a 2 year degree - 1 year teaching basics, and one year in whatever subject you want to teach. An advanced degree should be then following up your teaching associate degree with a 4 year degree in your subject matter.

148 I think that laid off public employees would be quite able to find jobs in the private sector.

Laid-off public employees will, in fact, create jobs in the private sector.

That is part of the shame of bloated government -- it takes intelligent, educated, able workers and makes them non-productive by putting them in jobs that involve work, not production. It destroys useable, serviceable assets, much as the cash-for-clunkers program did except with people. And people are not old cars. They can retrain, retool, regroup, and reinvent themselves to provide needed, valuable services and products.

If we were to trim down the public sector payroll, we might well have a 90's-like surge in the economy as well-trained workers hit the streets, eager to start bringing home the bacon again.

149

She writes:

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It used to be the case that the Federal Aviation Administration could count on Congress to fund it and that it wouldnÂ’t be held hostage to political posturing. Not anymore. We spent two weeks with furloughed FAA workers because Republicans refused to approve funding for their work.

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That kind of torpedoes her whole argument.  Planes weren't falling out of the sky during that time.  Turned out the airlines were doing pretty well without the FAA bureaucracy at work.

150

Teachers aren't heroes.

Yes they are. And so are we.

They shouldn't be, but in a world where many just plain old suck at the job, the good look like heroes by comparison.

151 146 Cherry Pi,

you are damn skippy my fingers are er brave....

you have ANY idea where I have to stick those damn things once a month when SHE is in the moo....er uh um never mind she's bounding over this way now....ttyl


hope and change baby

152 I wouldn't say I "work" for the government paycheck.

153

What the writer misses is the PAY SCALE of Federal Employees.

Which can be directly attributed to the Legal Bribery they give our 'Elected Officials'.

But, just like the Ponzi scheme called Social Security, giving 'campaign contributions', FORCED from people who have no say in them, to the person who will directly give you a raise, is somehow NOT bribery, but legal.

154 Turned out the airlines were doing pretty well without the FAA bureaucracy at work. I believe they actually collected and kept the FAA fees on tickets for themselves during that time frame - capitalist thieves.

155

Amen, sven. Clerical staff does about as much work in a year as I get done in a day. In fact, I do most of the clerical work myself because I know it will never get done if I give it to the secretary.

At least here in NH, it's the clerical and support staff who know what's going on and get things done.  The supervisors, with rare exception, are utterly useless.  Not necessarily because they aren't capable, but because the sheer mountains of bureaucratic BS they have to navigate makes it impossible to maneuver. 

Also, the support staff are the only ones who know how to do things like create an Excel chart, use Word tables, set up an LCD projector, log-in to password protected wireless networks, create a PowerPoint, change the toner in the printer and the copier, unjam the copier, use the binding machine, use the paper cutter...

For people with more advanced degrees (and much higher paychecks) than me, the sheer number of basic, grade school things my supervisors are incapable of doing is mind-boggling.

156
I am a hero.

Now give me a reward.

157 Please give to pubic employees.

158 It sickens me that the gov't employees at the top never seem to take a pay or benefits cut, but the teachers and sheriff deputies are the first to go

Yeah, around here, even in urban school districts that are top heavy in administrators and could probably save 3 teachers jobs for every administrator they lay off, they still lay off teachers first. Of course, laying off teachers is more visible to the parents and the public. Everyone is sad when they find out that Johnny's teacher lost her job. No one much notices if some useless education bureaucrat loses his job.

159 147 Cherry Pi,

nah I am sure she and you will explain anyday how the bloated multi-layered government inc is not costing anyone anything but the humility to take their kindness and say 'thanks"....it is not like they are either printing, taxing, or grifting every cent they play with and extort for personal wage from the engine that will HAVE to drive the recovery if we ever get one right?

160 If you that Vanden Snuffle 9/11 tribute sucked, try this one:

"Tiger Woods’ alpha mistress, Rachel Uchitel, said the 9/11 death of her former fiance, investment banker James Andrew O’Grady, was meant to be. “I believe Andy was meant to die because he was too good,” she tells Page Six Magazine, in The Post on Thursday. “I’m almost happy it ended the way it did because I’ve learned so many lessons from him. It would have been tragic if we got into fights and then divorced.” Had O’Grady lived, Uchitel — who went on to reportedly make $500,000 a year working as a VIP hostess at Tao Las Vegas and at New York’s The Griffin, where she met Woods — believes her life would have been much different. “I would be a fat housewife with three kids in Sands Point, LI,” she tells the magazine. The toned and tanned Uchitel recently sold her Park Avenue apartment and plans to move to San Francisco with her boyfriend, Matt Hahn. The two are talking about children. “I never wanted them … but I know how much I love my dogs, and I think I’d make a good mother to my own kids.”

161
You want to know who has my gratitude? Oil industry workers.

Adding a few to the list;

Doctors
Medical researchers
Software engineers
etc

About the only government worker that really deserves copious public praise are combat members of the DoD and related services (CIA field agent, etc). Teachers, for example, make roughly twice as much as career non-coms, and they don't get shot at...and let's not even start on the comparative hours.

162

I, too, am a hero. I brought wisdom and science to the masses via a vast network of interwebz and brought forth a new awareness and understanding of how our very way of life is rapidly killing us. The world had closed its eyes to the tragedy, until I gently opened them.

 

For my bravery in the face of the naysayers, I am a hero.

163 18-1, amen. MA/PhD in Teaching should be few and far between -- and not teaching, but doing pedagogical research, etc.

164 New name

165 CMajH: Blow it out your ass.

166 155 Romeo13,

allowing a PEU to "negotiate" with a democrat is like letting your kids negotiate with each other on whether or not to eat their broccoli the answer is a given the "neogotiation" is kabuki theater

167 Federal employees have had to learn to do with less.  The job opening for my assistant remains unfilled.

168

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 06, 2011 11:49 AM (Hx5uv)

That's such an inspirational story. Mothers will be passing that fairy tale on to their daughters for generations to come.

 

_::sniffle::

169 162 Wow.Just.Wow.

170 damn sock

171 Not that anyone should care but i just wanted to say it out loud My father was the President of the local IAM . If they all could be like my father we wouldn't be having this conversation. RIP Pops.

172 I'm a hero!

173 I am a hero.

174 174 Chaz Bono,

indeed...

175 I believe they actually collected and kept the FAA fees on tickets for themselves during that time frame - capitalist thieves. Posted by: Jean

Yeah, because no Federal agency would ever clawback fees, right?

176 LOL Morons think alike.

177 Sock fail.

178
Instant heroes!

179

And another thing...why on earth do we have people getting advanced teaching degrees?

Almost any adult can teach, and do an ok job at it without any formal training,

I'm homeschooling the kids while my husband is in the military overseas.

If that's not worth a statue in my honor, I just don't know what to think of you hobbits.

But seriously, it's just a racket. Get the schools to pay more for degrees and more people can afford to get degrees, which makes universities bigger. All thanks to your tax dollars.

180 Almost any adult can teach, and do an ok job at it without any formal training,

Teaching your own kid (and, say, 2 - 5 others) is not difficult at all.  Teaching an array of subjects to 18 - 24 kids on a daily basis?  That's something different.

It is a skill-set.  Like most skill-sets, it requires some training to achieve the basics, and lots of practice to master.  I don't think teachers are "heroes" either, since America tended to do pretty well with far fewer teachers per pupil in the Nineteenth and early Twentieth centuries.  However, there is an amount of hubris attached to the statement "Almost any adult can teach..." if you're not very clear on your premise.

181 Its scary sometimes.

182 I'm a hero!

Posted by: Chaz Bono at September 06, 2011 11:53 AM (/izg2)

I am old enough that I was actually watching the Sonny and Cher Show when they brought Chastity out to introduce her to the world. I was young and remember everyone in the room saying "WHAT?! Where the hell did she get that blonde hair?"

There were, initially, rumors that Cher had been screwing around but, even then, there was just no denying that it was Sonny Bono's nose child.

183 We know it has to be true because it was double-posted.

184  [She] believes her life would have been much different. “I would be a fat housewife with three kids in Sands Point, LI,” she tells the magazine. The toned and tanned Uchitel recently sold her Park Avenue apartment and plans to move to San Francisco with her boyfriend, Matt Hahn. The two are talking about children. “I never wanted them Â… but I know how much I love my dogs, and I think IÂ’d make a good mother to my own kids.”

My dear Lord.  The stupid is strong with this one.

Has anyone told this homewrecking bimbo that raising dogs and raising kids are two different things?  Gaah, someone get me the duct tape before my head explodes...

185

135.....Hey, CMaJH. (How do you pronounce that, anyway?) Why don't you take your Palin rant somewhere else until you can be coherent. We can trash Palin with the best of them, but conflating Private unions with Public unions, and conflating union members with union leadership does not add a lot of weight to your case.

Also, asking anyone here if they are "against right-to-work" shows ignorance of the highest (lowest?) order.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 06, 2011 11:42 AM (8y9MW)

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Hey fuck you, AllenG. That person didn't come right out and *say* "I am all for Right-to-Work....did they? So that's why I asked. I am not a mind reader.

CMaJH = ConservativeMenAreJustHotter....I had been posting under the long version, but Sven shortened it for me on another thread, and it seemed like a good idea to me so I just shortened it. 

Right-to-Work is a huge issue for me.....it is for a lot of 'true conservatives'.....which is what Sarah Palin has claimed to be too.

I am a fan of Rick Perry.  But Perry would not have been able to attract businesses to relocate to Texas if it were not a right-to-work state. Alaska is not a right-to-work state....but I have never heard Palin come out and advocate for right-to-work. Now I know why. She is pro-union.

186 I'm homeschooling the kids while my husband is in the military overseas.

My hat is off to you.  My wife homeschools the two kids at home, and while I'm just a lowly network geek, and dont' get shot at very often, I know that teaching can really be trying at times.

187
Teaching your own kid (and, say, 2 - 5 others) is not difficult at all.  Teaching an array of subjects to 18 - 24 kids on a daily basis?  That's something different.

I've taught both within the academic and business world. Its not that difficult if you know the subject well.

I've seen the benefit in taking a few short courses here and there, but years of formal education? I don't see any potential benefit.

188 37 Say what you will, ever since we got a Department of Energy and a Department of Education we have hod no problems with energy or education.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 06, 2011 11:06 AM (Hx5uv)

Right-o: both commodities have been in a steep decline since the inception of their namesake departments.

189 Yeah, because no Federal agency would ever clawback fees, right?

The city I live in is trying to collect on a 22 year old ambulance bill. I told them that unless they can PROVE that I didn't pay, they can shove it. Because, obvously, after 22 years, I damn sure don't have a receipt!

190 187 CMaJH,

while I admire your zeal in hating the unions the distinction must be made to a degree that in trying to subvert the membership from following their Capos and Dons we are replaying the Reagan '80 surge....

the next PotUS will have to make the economic case for liberty and making the economy an individual exercise again and thus far, sadly I have yet to see any of them making it as well as the Gipper and uncle Milty did back in the day

191

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 06, 2011 11:55 AM (8y9MW)

I find it amusing that the military can take High School kids, and teach them real world skills, in a matter of weeks, with Military Instructors..

Now... what Education do THOSE insturctors have? TWO WEEKS on basic learning theory and how to write a lecture under current guidelines.... but then a very defined program where they sit through the class they will teach, taking instructional notes... then teach it with a qual'd instructor sitting with them....

And if they just do a crappy job?  The command will find somthing else for them to do....

Civilian Teachers? Lots of Education, bu then they are turned loose on students.  There is 'supposed' to be a student teaching program where they are being overscene by other teachers, but the times my kids had one, there was NEVER another teacher in the classroom....

So yes.... you do learn by doing... not by someone lecturing you in a classroom...

192 189 18-1,

it really is simple...teaching highly motivated attentive students on whatever level is less hard than teaching defacto prisoners....


we need to shed the egalitarianism notion that all kids must be forced to intermingle and have delinquents present and focus our efforts on putting kids together ranked by motivation and ability.....

if a kid doesn't want to learn any genuine education put him in a trade class and then keep in a work farm which is what in his heart he views school as anyway.

193 Yeah, around here, even in urban school districts that are top heavy in administrators and could probably save 3 teachers jobs for every administrator they lay off, they still lay off teachers first. Of course, laying off teachers is more visible to the parents and the public. Everyone is sad when they find out that Johnny's teacher lost her job. No one much notices if some useless education bureaucrat loses his job.

Posted by: Mullaney at September 06, 2011 11:49 AM (sV0Yw)

 

My sister was a teacher.  One Christmas when the family was together she was complaining (something she rarely does, btw) about having to buy schoold supplies for her students.  I made the remark that if the district would fire one of the three secretaries to the assistant of the associate to the vice principle, the school could probably afford her supplies.

Never heard her complain again.

194 193 Romeo 13,

before we get too rosy understand that the ability of the Military education system to mold people is being undermined nonstop by senior leadership as well....

the drill sgt corp faces new and "improved" regulations and rules that are resulting in units complaining that the troops are coming to the line  unfit for operational duty until the line retrains them with the tools and threats being denied to basic/osut/ait instructors....

there is something about facing a loss of pay/liberty that motivates folks to learn to do their job....wish the civil servants would remember it

195 For some reason DOD decided to hire public sector gate guards,cooks, and mechanics on base too, and the hysterical thing is we have soldiers who are trained to be mechanics,cooks, and all used to rotate gate guard, but now the soldiers hang out in the motor pool  doing the same PMCS on a vehicle that they did last week,even though said vehicle has not moved since it came over on the  Plymouth with the Pilgrims-it's either that or the soldiers sham and try not to be caught.My husband and his squad used to lift pieces of the tracks to their equipment like weights and they would all work out to waste time, or sweep,re sweep,etc.I just shake my head-shouldn't all soldiers at the very least know how to guard the gate? Shouldn't they have actual,y'know EXPERIENCE guarding the gate instead of the civies. why don't our cooks man the chow halls anymore? Instead we hire civilians ,even in hostile countries? Seems like the perfect set up for mass poisoning if you ask me. Might seem crazy but ya think someone whose MOS is mechanic,might want to actually know how to fix the machines he/she was trained on? 

196 It sickens me that the gov't employees at the top never seem to take a pay or benefits cut, but the teachers and sheriff deputies are the first to go.

Posted by: Lone Marauder at September 06, 2011 11:39 AM (/bVuS)

This is pure politics, plain and simple.  They always go after the front line workers who the public view as necessary and vital (teachers not so much, though the public has been duped into believing so) instead of the unnecessary employee base that could be trimmed back with little damage to public services.  It's an emotional ploy designed to force local taxpayers to fork over more of their money to keep "cops on the street."  Utterly ridiculous and completely shameless.

When I hear "non-essential government employees," I don't tend to think that the term means "these employees are unnecessary."  For example, the IRS.  I hate the IRS; who doesn't? And during a crisis situation, or any time that isn't tax season, no one is going to expect the IRS to do anything (I'm ignoring Obamacare because I want to).  But at tax time, if you want to get your refund on time, or your dispute cleared up in any kind of timely fashion, you would want the workers available to handle your case.  (It's government, of course, so "timely fashion" is a joke at the best of times.)  That's why the IRS could be furloughed for 3/4 of the year, but for that remaining 1/4 you need them there.

The same goes for secretaries, lab technicians, janitorial staff, etc.  I can understand those positions being furloughed as necessary to save money, but any kind of bureaucracy would fall apart in a matter of weeks without the support staff there to do the supporting.  As I mentioned above, supervisors and superiors usually can't figure out how to work a stapler, let alone how to get the color printer to stop printing everything gray scale for a presentation to the House to get more funding for a nascent Defense bill. 

You can't cut "non-essential government employees" 100%, because frankly they are essential in the grand scheme of things.  But trim them back?  Hell yes.  Give me a big amen.

197 I can be your hero, baby!

198 171 162 Wow.Just.Wow.

My sentiments as well.

199

167.....CMajH: Blow it out your ass.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 06, 2011 11:51 AM (STdkO)

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Bite me.

Unions add to the cost of everything that I have to buy. I have a problem with the basic 'union mentality' that says "my work is better than non-union work" which is an entitlement mentality.

This entitlement mentality is what fuels the thuggery that we see coming from the unions.....both the govt unions and the private sector unions.

200

Heh.

 

Rush is plating the Hoffa speech with the theme from The Godfather playing over it.

201

Shouldn't they have actual,y'know EXPERIENCE guarding the gate instead of the civies. why don't our cooks man the chow halls anymore? Instead we hire civilians ,even in hostile countries? Seems like the perfect set up for mass poisoning if you ask me.

 

Sort of reminds me that they also hire muzzies to be military psychiatrists. 

202 200 Ms80sBaby,

yup....

just think if we could harness the stupid and match it to the frequency of her ego we could likely add another billion years to the life of our sun....

203

204 begone sox

205 So, we went from 1 tyrant a 1000 miles away to 1000 tyrants 1 mile away. Not the worst deal, but I'd like a better one. How about we the people get something back from the protected government class, you know, like our freedoms. Also, I will have more respect for government employees when there's forced attrition, a uniform code of public sector justice, and competitive advancements. Plus, privately paid pensions.

206

When our public school teachers are constantly asked to do more with less, when they work to prepare the next generation for an uncertain economic future, they deserve our deepest gratitude.

 

When? They are constantly demanding more no matter what their results are

207 clueless - I had an city (not where I live) suspend my DL over an "unpaid" ticket from the late 1980's. They wanted me to pay them $245, plus whatever my local state would charge for un-suspending me. I had the receipt! I have used the same glove box organizer since my first car, and it was in there - they demurred. My local state - VA, still hit me up for a re-instatement fee.

208

Rick Perry said yesterday, in a Town Hall meeting in Myrtle Beach with Tim Scott............that:  "there are no term limits for government bureaucrats....yet".

Now that's what I'm talking about.

Been saying for years that there should be term limits for tit-sucking goverment bureaucrats. 10 years, and its back out in the private sector. Lifetime employment in the goverment bureaucracy foments an 'Us vs Them' mentality.

And the 'Them' in that mentality....is us, as in 'we the people'.

209

The same goes for secretaries, lab technicians, janitorial staff, etc.  I can understand those positions being furloughed as necessary to save money, but any kind of bureaucracy would fall apart in a matter of weeks without the support staff there to do the supporting.  As I mentioned above, supervisors and superiors usually can't figure out how to work a stapler, let alone how to get the color printer to stop printing everything gray scale for a presentation to the House to get more funding for a nascent Defense bill. 

 

Private sector managers are having to do support work now.  Gov. managers just too fucking good for everyone else? 

You'd be surprised what people learn in a hurry if they get desparate enough or really need those services.   

210

Posted by: the Founding Fathers at September 06, 2011 12:07 PM (AEIYh)

No, the difference that, back in the day, we did NOT expect folks straight out of training to know their head from their ass... but had a Historic well defined set of tools to call upon to get them up to speed.

Its amazing that we have 5000 years of written military history, and theory, in the only truly Darwinian culteral context there is (you literally win or die), and yet they seem feel free to throw out what has been shown to work.

My Son is currently in Chicago (USN) waiting for orders to the Fleet, the same way I did a bit over 30 years ago.... trust me, I know things have changed...

But then, thats also what happens when you have more Admirals, than Combatant Ships.

211 204 200 Ms80sBaby,

yup....

just think if we could harness the stupid and match it to the frequency of her ego we could likely add another billion years to the life of our sun....


She was so broken-hearted at the time but now sounds absolutely selfish. She's "almost happy it ended the way it did"? No regard for his family at all. 

212 212 Romeo 13,

yup....

I have yet to meet the modern General who inspires more confidence than Caesar, Washington, etc etc etc

213 we need to shed the egalitarianism notion that all kids must be forced to intermingle and have delinquents present and focus our efforts on putting kids together ranked by motivation and ability.....

That is certainly one issue with American schooling. We send a much higher percentage of our kids to college to nominally prepare them for a job they don't want and that the economy will not produce anyway.

I mentioned I'd like to see teaching changed to a 2 year associates degree. I think a number of professions could stand the same. We are far too focused on credentials that don't mean much in the real world.

214 213 Ms80sBaby,

well he wasn't tiger woods and she wouldn't be copulating a sex-addicted multi-millionaire who forgets pre-nups now would she?

215 Its not that difficult if you know the subject well.

Yes, but knowing 6 different subjects "well?" 

Besides, in "the corporate world" the student has consequences if they don't learn the material (from minor reprimands to firing, depending on the case), and in higher academia (that is: college and above) or private school for primary and secondary education, the student has similar consequences if they don't learn the material (up to being kicked out of school).  In public primary and secondary education, that incentive for excellence does not exist for the student, so the teacher/instructor/proctor/whatever is at a slight disadvantage.

I'm not saying it can't be done, or that most adults couldn't learn to do it, but it is a different kettle of fish than home-schooling, or teaching people for whom there are real consequences for failure.

So yes.... you do learn by doing... not by someone lecturing you in a classroom...

Oh, I absolutely oppose "Education" Degrees and degree programs (maybe as a 'minor only' option, I could support them), but I do believe you need training to be qualified to teach ~20 12 year olds on English, Math, Science, and Civics.

216 Hey, at least Praetorian Guard Van De Huevel did threaten to get Larry O'donnell to beat us up for dissing government employees.

217 215 18-1,

well it also puts to the lie the little "woe is us" tax raising ploy that "american kidz are t3h suxxorz and rank 15-35th in everything..."

Most other nations subdivide their students into academics and vocational students so an apples to apples comparison always involves cherrypicking data....

if you are not proficient in math, science, and grammar by grade 5 in japan or Germany you are not put in the college prep course and if you do not "catch up" by grade 7 you get sent to technical school.....

the US would be better served by an army of entry level trained roughnecks, carpenters, construction workers, miners, farmers, factory workers, et al than a bunch of general education Diploma kids having to try to generate the revenue to get technical training or living off mom and dad.....

of course the unions don't really want those kids to be in their workforce so they back the NEA position of "half ass teach the half assed uninspired never want to be college kids"....

one nice side effect of the coming implosion will be less resistance to deep change in Red states that is more to our ideological liking.

218 216 213 Ms80sBaby,

well he wasn't tiger woods and she wouldn't be copulating a sex-addicted multi-millionaire who forgets pre-nups now would she?


I don't use this word often but she's a bitch.

219 **less resistance to deep change in Red states that is more to our ideological liking.** ding ding, the essence of liberalism. Note that I didn't qualify it with "modern". The left, that is the intellectual window dressing has been trying to get hoi polloi to dig socialism since the early 20th century. So after experimenting for a century, they figure they'll just have to fire the voters.

220 I have yet to meet the modern General who inspires more confidence than Caesar, Washington, etc etc etc

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 12:24 PM (AEIYh)

I'm actualy more concerned about the Wimpification of the NCOs...

Historicaly it was THEM who taught both Junior Enlisteds, AND Junior Officers, what the military was about...

Went to my Son's Grad from Navy Bootcamp, and was horrified to talk to his Company Commanders... when I was in, CCs were CPOs... now? E-5s with about 10 minutes in the Navy?  Most of whom had never been to Sea?

But thats what happens when the CNO says the Navy's mission is now more PC, than warfighting...

/gets off his soapbox, muttering...

221 This has jack shit to do with anything under discussion here, but I would like to point out that since the federal government has been beefing up the departmental security agencies (like the DoEd's SWAT team), they have been pushing to classify run-of-the-mill security guard (series 0085) jobs as police officer (series 0083) jobs. Why is that? It's because by law, only people with veterans preference may compete for security guard positions so long as people with veterans preference are available in the applicant pool. There is no such restriction for filling police officer vacancies--normal competitive examining rules apply.

222 When our public school teachers are constantly asked to do more with less, when they work to prepare the next generation for an uncertain economic future, they deserve our deepest gratitude.

Everything, even gratitude, has its limits.

Besides, I'm not sure that teacher-inspired left-wing indoctrination is something worthy of gratitude.

223 one nice side effect of the coming implosion will be less resistance to deep change in Red states that is more to our ideological liking.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 12:33 PM (AEIYh)

 

That has been my thinking for some time now.  After the grand experiment of the SCOAMF, the states are once again going to become the powerhouses of government.  We've already gotten some good examples:  TX, WI, OK, etc.  Other states are trying on that shoe also.  It's a good thing.

224 **When our public school teachers are constantly asked to do more with less, when they work to prepare the next generation for an uncertain economic future, they deserve our deepest gratitude.** Uh, huh. How about this. Fuck them sideways. It's impossible to fire a public school teacher, they have insane pensions and benefits, and work 9 months a year. They are babysitters that read from a book, not goddamned martyrs.

225

"Slaves don't get to make choices."

A man chooses, a slave obeys.

226 These numbers are old, but you can see the difference.

In the USA we have around 750.000 fire fighters. Of that only 1/4 is union.

Yes I'm a fire fighter.

227 Those police and fire department "first responders" Katrina pretends to honor are being blocked from attending the 9/11 ceremonies in New York....

228 1919 N:tion first issue. Headline
Benito Mussolin is the cat's whiskers

229 I retired my post_9/11 NYPD ballcap as soon as I noticed that Leftard/DemocRAT/Public Employee Unionistas were using them as propaganda tools.

230 we are good at making  air filters,oil filters,fuel filters for constrcuction mamchinery,heavy vehicle,agricultural machinery,truck,car,ship and engineering machine etc.