1 And only Democrat government jobs at that.

2 No.

3 Nein-Nein-Nein!

4 This is so not true.  I also care about jobs for union bosses.

5 Ever notice that the Keystone pipeline runs right down through the middle of a bunch of right to work states?

6 Well yeah, uhhhhhh, ummmmmm

7 So, Drew, you have a good idea. It's true. It's also something that could greatly enhance Republican prospects in 2012 if presented competently to the public. By the Republicans. So, we're boned.

8 I'm very interested in the availability of jobs for potential Latin American Dictators as well as the plight of the Palestinian Olive Farmers.

9 Mr. Obama is the champion of the public-sector middle class.

I don't think he is even that. He is the champion of the communist class. He want government to control everything and thus be the only employer.

Forget single payer health insurance. If the Obamanites get their way it will be single payer everything.

make no mistake about it, Obama is a hardcore communist who beleives in the dictatorial powers of a communist party boss.

10 "Is anyone in the GOP field up to making the case?"

Well, that whole "making the case" thing would be smart, right?

So the answer to the question is "NO".

*sigh*

11 Drew -- Are Republicans "exploiting" any of the hundreds (probably thousands) of issues they could profitably use to unseat the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure? Hell, no!

Don't confuse them with one more, mmmkay? Right now, they're busy making excuses for Mutt Romney and The Newt so no one will think they are establishment screw-ups, wile simultaneously pissing on Perry.

Given a focus on the central issues -- and it all sounds sorta Nixonian, when you put it down as "Communism, Corruption and Cronyism" -- mixed with a strong pushback on the media, we might even get a rising tide that lifts all Republicans.

12 The key to immediate job growth is energy and fixing the structural housing problems (green mandates, title issues)

13 Let those dirty Canucks keep their filthy oil! We'll just buy it from our friends the Saudis!

14 Is anybody in the GOP, besides Newt, going to make any case against obama instead of against fellow Republicans?

15 Did you notice how oil shot to $100 barrel after I spiked the Keystone Deal? You're welcome.

16 Sadly, no.

17 OT: ace.mu.nu getting VERY slow to load.  Probably sluggish ad service.  adserver.adtechus.com?

18

That "can't be fired" aspect of government jobs is insane. ....It is what has made government jobs such a magnet for union organizers....after they drove away so many private sector jobs.

We probably have the most expensive government of any industrialized country. .....And what do we get in return? .....A misery index that is climbing by the day.

Government Jobs should be tied to unemployment figures. ....When the government does things that kills jobs in the private sector....then govt jobs should automatically die too.

19 Answer:Rick Perry Here in the letter to Nancy Pelosi: Here is the fundamental question: do you believe Washington is broke? Before answering that question, consider these facts: 1) The Washington metro area is now the most affluent metropolitan area in the country because lobbyists, contractors, elected officials and bureaucrats have been insulated from the economic ruin prevalent in the private sector.

20 OT - FANTASTIC picture of Biden over at Drudge.

Headline "Biden Transparency Meeting Closed to Press!"

21 make no mistake about it, Obama is a hardcore communist who beleives in the dictatorial powers of a communist party boss.

Honestly?  I'm starting to think he's a 'communist' in the same way any of the legions of third-world tin-pot 'communists' are--it's the rhetoric that puts and keeps them in power, and gives them the means to loot to their shriveled hearts' content.

The Left got suckered, just like so many others.

22 Kinda sad that a so-called republican in Nebraska also doesn't want the pipeline. Maybe someone will primary him on this big job issue.

23 The key to immediate job growth is energy and fixing the structural housing problems (green mandates, title issues) Posted by: Jean at November 17, 2011 11:31 AM

But to get to those issues, the basic structural problems have to be dealt with. StutteringClusterfuckCare has to go, as do the agencies that establish and enforce policies that kill businesses.

The "structural housing problems" go a lot farther than your two points. IMO, they begin with failed lending policies and the notion that home-buying is some automatic, guaranteed income-generator.

24 How is the *lower* bound of the middle class set at around the *average* household income? Shouldn't the "middle class" be defined as, say, the 30th-70th income percentiles (so say 40-80k)?

25

Re: the Keystone Pipeline

Most of what Obama does is a shakedown in some way. .....Maybe he and the union bosses are not getting the deal they want....yet....out of those pipeline jobs.

26 Soap, don't forget the UAW. They'll never give up their union salaries, benefits, and generous pensions, until the plants completely run out of money and have to close up. Then, they'll whine.

27 If we are going to talk about the public sector... Collective bargaining rights for public sector employees-means that federal employees would have the right to strike. FDR was against that. Nancy Pelosi has never tried to get a law passed that gives them that right. Herman Cain-in the video with The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel thinks that maybe federal employees should have collective bargaining rights. That's why Herman Cain's response on that issue was actually worse than his Libya response.

28

Is anyone in the GOP field up to making the case?

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:21 AM     Hahahahahahahhahahhahaha.  You're hilarious Drew.

29

Is anyone in the GOP field up to making the case?

I was on top of this before I was on top of this.

What's the question, again?

30 That's why Herman Cain's response on that issue was actually worse than his Libya response. Posted by: tasker at November 17, 2011 11:43 AM (rJVPU) Makes no never mind: Toast is Toast

31 The secret to this economic miasma is HIGH SPEED TRAINS. They fix everything.

32 Yes, Scribbler, the core structural problem is an electorate that is disconnected from the cost of government by invisible taxation, insulated from the idiocy of the statists by a complacent media, and reared by an education system corrupted by the left. Changing that would be great - I'm onboard for an Art5 convention.

33 32 That's why Herman Cain's response on that issue was actually worse than his Libya response.

Posted by: tasker at November 17, 2011 11:43 AM (rJVPU)

Makes no never mind: Toast is Toast   In Re: Toast, its time we either get Perry out of his ditch or switch to Newt. Just sayin. Romney is not an answer.

34 That's life.

35 Romney is not an answer. Posted by: Sub-Tard at November 17, 2011 11:45 AM **** COmpletely agree-and cripes that's who I'm down to Perry then Newt... Sometimes I'm all like -why not Santorum and then I watch him whine during a debate...oy!

36 Inspired by your sidebar article, I've come up with a new campaign slogan:

Romney Wiped, OWSers Didn't

Whaddaya think?

37

IÂ’ve quit more jobs than I can count, chumps, so I know a thing or two about leadership and job creation.  Listen up:  the candidate with the best leadership and job creation skills is the Newt Gingrich. 

 

When Newt up and quit Congress that was leadership.  When 9/11 happened and the country was in her darkest hour Newt was out there on the lecture circuit and charming the pants off them ladies.  Leadership.  Then we had those wars.  The recessions.  The financial meltdown.  The housing market collapse.  Unemployment.  $4.00 per gallon gasoline.  Obamacare.  Trillions of dollars in porkulus spending.  Through it all NewtÂ’s been out there on the firing lines, consulting with bailed-out mortgage companies, reaping millions, demonstrating that leadership of his.  Governor Newt also knows how to create them jobs.  Look at all them blond staffers he's hired and fired over the years.  He even married one of them.  Hell, punks, NewtÂ’s got more job creating skills in his pinky ring from TiffanyÂ’s than all of them vaccine pushing RINOs put together. 

 

Gingrich-Cain, Â’12.  Love ‘em and leave ‘em!

38 Everyone knows that it's teachers, firefighters and police jobs that count. All other jobs don't matter, unless you're in a union I forgot about.

39 >>>Is anyone in the GOP field up to making the case? The problem is that making a play for the Reagan dems would require policy proposals that would get a republican candidate excommunicated for RINOism. This, by the way, is why Reagan was such a transformational leader: not only did he lead the nation to the right, but he also lead his own party into areas they would not naturally be inclined to venture.

40 Drew, actually all unions, public and private, can count on goodies from Obama. http://bit.ly/sw82zW

41

My career state gov.t-employee sister, on complaints about lavish public sector salaries, pensions and benefits:

"Well they all should have thought about that when they were looking for jobs!  It's not my fault they were too stupid to see that the private sector will screw you over whenever it can!"

Her job?  Govt. employee benefits administration.

If the private sector unionistas only knew the elitist contempt the pub sec  has for them.

42 40 Everyone knows that it's teachers, firefighters and police jobs that count. All other jobs don't matter, unless you're in a union I forgot about own.Posted by: King Barack the One at November 17, 2011 11:49 AM (fYOZx)

Apologies to my UAW brothers in my wholly-owned subsidiaries in the auto industry.

43 Worst candidates ever running against a man who must have had a partial brain extraction during an operation we don't know about. Sealed. Everything is sealed. This should be easy as pie. But there is no one.

44 Call me crazy but I thought on Libya his answer was almost understandable-hell Obama has been in Uganda, Libya-then Republicans have that issue with wether or not The War Powers Resolution is constitutional -so I actually could see him wanting to avoid all that... but the damn public sector collective bargaining question...#$@%!

45

29.....That's why Herman Cain's response on that issue was actually worse than his Libya response.

Yeah it was. Thank you, Tasker. ....I thought so too.

The Libya answer was bad enough.....but could be dismissed as being 'tired and flustered'.

Cain's response on the collective bargaining issue was troubling on many levels. ....It ties in with his squishiness on 'Opportunity Zones' and tayloring his 999 plan to pander to certain geographic areas.

Collective bargaining is not a civil right.....it is something to negotiate for, not a right. In the case of govt employees....collective bargaining is used against We the Taxpayers.

46 I want a job but I don't want to work and we are the 99%.

47 45 Posted by: Mittens, Cap'n Cornbrero at November 17, 2011 11:51 AM (0AClR)

And that, friends, is why I suck at using socks.

48 Maybe I see it differently, living in Northeast Ohio, home of two huge Ford plants, and having relatives in Youngstown, home to the nearby Chevy plant. I'm becoming more and more aware of how many kids my daughters go to school with, who have parents who work for the Ford plant.

49 Is anyone in the GOP field up to making the case?

I'd like to think we are smart enough to exploit the obvious attack lines on these commie rat bastards, but maybe not.  Although, if Republicans are talking about this, the MFM may well be blacking them out.

50
Sadly, no.
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind

What's your act, brah?

I'm in the mood to pulverize someone. You're now a candidate for my new punk.

51 Making the case...? The problem is-and both Walker and Kasich have tried it- you cannot explain why the right to strike by public employees holds the rest of the citizens disproportionately hostage in- a sound bite-for a commercial.

52 Thread up

53 IIRC, the stated reason for the Government to Bailout GM and Chrysler was so they wouldn't go bankrupt; because a bankruptcy would have caused consumers to lose all confidence in them and they could never recover from that.

IIRC, both companies were in bankruptcy within six months of the bailout.

Seems like that spending $80,000,000,000.00 for that extra six months was sort of, um, not money well spent.

54 I haven't been taping legislative sessions on C-SPAN for weeks now.  Seriously, how long can Democrats do this?

The gameplan for Democrats in Congress for months has been:

1.) Raise taxes on the rich

2.) Block any attempt by the rich to generate taxable income (lets call it "a race to the bottom")

Democrats know what they're doing. Trust me, they're not this bad at math.

You know, being a liberal that votes conservative is a bit like being Will Graham from Red Dragon. I'm quite fluent in crazy, I just know its wrong.

The second that Naomi Klein book came out, we should have been ready for "Disaster Socialism", because that's exactly what the Dems health care and energy policies are.

55 Especially, tasker, when the public employees got away with over-the-top claims about your "safety" being at risk if you didn't vote no on Issue 2. "Your house will burn to the ground if you vote yes!!111!!!!!"

56 OT - FANTASTIC picture of Biden over at Drudge.

Speaking of Choo Choo, Alec Baldwin's article about what he's learned from the Occutards (linked at Hot Air) is pretty funny.  I particularly liked this part:

Another example is that we have no high speed rail in this country. Typically, you fly or you drive. So airlines are free to tack on fees to remain profitable the way that oil companies are free to manipulate oil production, and thus the price of gasoline. You bailed out the airlines every time you did not demand more effective, intermediate range travel, i.e. high speed rail. You bailed out the oil companies every time you watched (were you watching?) as American troops went to Iraq to fight a war for oil. You bail out American business, and help them maintain an often false veneer of profitability, every time you send nearly every member of the current Congress back to Washington. Maintaining US corporate profitability is the single goal of this Congress. Because that is what the corporations who own the Congress paid for when they bought the Congress.

So he learned from the OWS movement that not supporting high speed rail is being exploited by Big Oil and Big Air?  I could've sworn that the lesson more that cleanliness is next to both Godliness and public health.

57 You bailed out the airlines every time you did not demand more effective, intermediate range travel, i.e. high speed rail.

Or, alternately, maybe we just prefer modes of travel that are faster, more convenient, and don't interfere with our country's highly-efficient freight rail operations.

58 So airlines are free to tack on fees to remain profitable the way that oil companies are free to manipulate oil production, and thus the price of gasoline.

Another leftist way of saying, "The market is always wrong."

59 I wonder if anyone told Sparky that the big difference between FDR's America and this one is that the proportion of union workers to free men was roughly 50-50% as compared today 8-92%. You would think a guy from Harvard could get his arms around this fact and align his policies with the obvious. But then again, he is from Harvard.

60 Collective bargaining is not a civil right.....it is something to negotiate for, not a right. In the case of govt employees....collective bargaining is used against We the Taxpayers. Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 17, 2011 Ga! Exactly. But how the hell do you explain just how reemed the taxpayer is in that scenario... I've tried it. Let's see the taxpayer pays for the firetrucks, the fire station, the fire fighter's employment, insurance-what have you. So the county, city whatever has a monopoly on the fire fighting business at the taxpayer's expense. *If* the fire fighters go on strike who are you going to call? You can't call the competition Wal-Mart Fire Fighting Inc.. And that's why we've had various laws in the states and on the federal level that do not allow public workers to strike. And, the advantage the public-sector unions have doesn't end there. Why do unions mostly donate to Democrats? Well when they go to the bargaining table for wages, benefits -they negotiate with government and they do their upmost to make sure that the politicians they negotiate with are beholding to them. They donate the union dues they confiscate from the lower members to that effort, they canvas for Democrats, they phone bank for Democrats.. So at the bargaining table where they are divvying up the taxpayer's money-if Democrats win the election the unions are represented on both sides of the table-and the taxpayer is screwed... (Now if you are Kasich or Walker try putting all that in a one minute commercial.) And don't forget to try and differentiate between public and private sector unions so that you don't make an enemy of both groups...

61 Who knew BIG HIGH SPEED TRAINS don't run on BIG OIL and most importantly BIG UNIONS. I guess Alec failed to notice that BIG AIRLINES run on BIG OIL and BIG UNIONS. This might explain the number of bankruptcies experienced by BIG AIRLINES. Can BIG HIGH SPEED TRAINS go bankrupt? Who gets to dig up their rail beds in bankruptcy? Just askin.

62 Speaking of competition, this seems as good a place as any to share this bit of humor. Got a piece of mail in the mailbox this week. Street number is exactly the same as ours. Street name is similar to ours. Has some of the same letters. Town... is somewhere in Michigan. With a completely different zip code. I can tell my post office how much they suck, but why should they care/

63 Especially, tasker, when the public employees got away with over-the-top claims about your "safety" being at risk if you didn't vote no on Issue 2. "Your house will burn to the ground if you vote yes!!111!!!!!" Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at November 17, 2011 12:00 PM ***** Jeebus I was busy typing the fire fighter analogy before I even saw your comment. I see you get what a bunch of pikers the Dems have been in Ohio and Wisconsin.

64

Actually, it is even worse than a mere preference for government employment.  Obama embodies a progressive Utopian idea that we can eventually create all kinds of great blue-collar private sector jobs by promoting "alternative energy," while also pursuing the other progressive Utopian goals of stopping global warming and eliminating carbon-fuel pollution.  The idea is to force carbon-based energy prices so high that solar and wind and other energy source become economical and so the private sector will create a lot of jobs in those industries. 

Of course, a key component of this was the creation of the Cap and Trade scheme which Obama failed to get through the Senate.  That was the linchpin of all of it.  When that failed, it left Obama scrambling to enact the rest of the scheme by other means.  The BP spill was a gift to him because it allowed him to kill offshore drilling for a good long while.  The boondoggle Department of Energy loans were meant to help get a lot of solar and wind factories and priojects off the ground while Cap and Trade forced coal- and oil-proeduced electricity prices to skyrocket.  The EPA CO2 rules and cross-state air pollution rules are meant to do some of what Cap and Trade would have done.

Another big monkey wrench that has been thrown into the progessive Utopian scheme is the development of shale gas and fracking.  This is why we are now seeing a fuill-scale assault on fracking by the environmental extremists and their enablers at the New York Times.  They do not care that gas drilling has created thousands of blue-collar jobs in Pennsylvania and upstate New York; these are not the jobs they are looking for.  Jobs created by carbon-based fuels are anathema to the progressives. 

The only real surprise about the Keystone decision if viewed in this context is that Obama did not have the balls to just kill it now.  I am 100% sure he will kill it if he is reelected. 

65 I can tell my post office how much they suck, but why should they care/ Man we are soooo screwed.

66

56 Sicknmass,

I remember when Barbara Bush was asked to speak at some college, and the liberals screamed that she was "just a wife" so she had no credibility.

Then, when Hillary got in.....the same libs applauded her for 'expanding the role' of the First Lady.  ....I guess having a law degree changes everything.

 

IÂ’d vote for Ann Coulter.

You had me up until this ^ .....Coulter rants lately have been batshit crazy, imo.

67 "Is anyone in the GOP field up to making the case?"

Nope. Too busy pushing social hot buttons.

68 70.....*Coulter's rants

69 Guess those high speed trains will have to run on unicorn farts.

70 "Is anyone in the GOP field up to making the case?"

Nope. Too busy whining that no one pays attention to my accomplishments.

71 I don't always agree with Coulter, but she also drives the left batshit crazy, so she'd be worth it just for the entertainment value, as long as her budget wasn't too big.

72 You bailed out the oil companies every time you watched (were you watching?) as American troops went to Iraq to fight a war for oil.

And yet, if we let the free market buy oil from whatever tyrant has it for sale, they'll scream that we are funding oppression.

The cognitive dissonance required to be a liberal surely must be painful.  At least, I hope so.

73

64.....And don't forget to try and differentiate between public and private sector unions so that you don't make an enemy of both groups...

Yeah, Tasker.....you're preaching to the choir here.

Although, I will have to say this about Mitt....to his credit, he did mention government unions in one of the debates. ....And no one seemed to catch it. Even though I am for Perry, if I have to vote for Mitt it will go down a little easier for me if I thought he would do something about govt unions.

I have been thinking for years that we need to put term limits on govt bureaucrat jobs. .....10 years, and they're out in the private sector.

So my ears perked up when Perry mentioned something about "There are no term limits for bureaucrats....yet", in a town hall meeting a couple of months ago.

74 "Is anyone in the GOP field up to making the case?"

Nope. Too busy telling Obama "what a remarkable leader" he is. ("BTW, I have enormous regard for [his] experience, sense of history and brilliant analysis of world events.")

75 "There are no term limits for bureaucrats....yet", Oh man! I missed that.

76 Look for the Union label!

77

79 "There are no term limits for bureaucrats....yet",


Oh man! I missed that.

----------

Yep. It was at an obscure little town hall meeting in SC, iirc....that a new tea party congressman was having.

Later that day, Perry flew home to deal with the wildfires in Texas.

78

Off damn sock.

 

79

@56:  "...sleeping with Obama when Larry Sinclair wasnÂ’t available..."

Or Bobby Titcomb was deadheading back to Honolulu.

"Titcomb, interviewed for a 2004 Honolulu Star-Bulletin article on his childhood friend and then-U.S. Senate candidate, was described as a "commercial fisherman and Continental Airlines flight attendant."

tinyurl.com/6mwpurz

Must get lonely out there on that shrimpin' boat.

80 Was it a female or male prostitute Titcomb propositioned? Hmmm?

81 So with the obvious implosion to follow, I say we squander whatever we have left to spend and devout all of our resources into sending a robot back into the past to bitch slap Obama's commie momma. 

82 Conservatives by definition are naturally wary of those like say a Jon Stewart who pretends to be "objective"  and "making the case" but are simply pandering and manipulating through flattery.

Those skeptical of cultural crusades and ruling class omniscience, by definition, will never collectively be any good at such things.

83 Especially, tasker, when the public employees got away with over-the-top claims about your "safety" being at risk if you didn't vote no on Issue 2. "Your house will burn to the ground if you vote yes!!111!!!!!"

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at November 17, 2011 12:00 PM (MyByM)

The anti-issue 2 humps did a good job of making it out that it was only impacting firemen, police (the good kind; not the fuckheads that pull you over in a speed trap) and teachers that look like Don Draper's ex-wife.  They were helped by that senile fuck John Glenn looking like a mummy with the words "Here in Ohio, we don't turn our backs on people who have ours" somehow emerging from that oversized wrinkle called a mouth.  Hey jet jockey, here in Ohio we pay off our fucking bills instead of stiffing local businesses that fronted you material and product for your quixotic joke of a presidential run.  Worthless cocksucker.

84

@84:  "Was it a female or male prostitute Titcomb propositioned? Hmmm?"

I dunno, Schwalbe...but it was a sting operation using decoy pros.  Perhaps one of our Oahu morons can put us some information on the denizens of Pohukaina Street.  More from the link above:

"Robert Richard Titcomb did engage in or agree or offer to engage in
sexual conduct Â…

with another person,

for a fee thereby committing the offense of prostitution."

85 I made this point over the weekend:

Any president --of either party-- who did not hate America/pander to the enviro-fascists would consider the pipeline a freakin' gift from above:

It's direct foreign investment (i.e., it's money flowing in from another country, offsetting billions of dollars of all those imports from China in the balance of payments).

It creates thousands of jobs, very good jobs.

It also happens to benefit our closest ally and largest trading partner.

+all this combines with a shitty economy that needs all the above.

This is not incompetence on 0bama's part, but sheer blind ideology.

86 The disconnect between public and private sector unions needs to be highlighted a lot more. The privates need to be educated away from their current automatic support for their "brothers" in the public sectors. This could lead to a very meaningful rift and turning point in eventually banning all government unions.

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