1 Let's call Eric Cantor's office and tell him he is measuring from the taint.

2 So they still run up the deficit and get killed for "slashing the budget".  Republicans: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once again.

3 Isn't that the sort of math we leave to the Dems?

4 Eric Cantor is a bitch. I never trusted such an ass I always knew he was one. If any readers are in his district, get ready for a primary.

5 Eric Cantor Stars In: Taint Your Wagon

6 It's insane, this guy's taint.

7 Is today really Saturday???

8 Eric Cantor stars iin Budgets, Lies, and Video Taint!

9
What's irony?

Irony is The Stupid Party^tm trying to sell us this bullshit as if we are stupid.

10 Eric Cantor taint a Republican.

11
It just shows the how little both the Republicans and Democrats think of The People.

12 I haven't seen a taint like that since Scott Brown's 1982 Cosmopolitan centerfold spread.

13 Eric Cantor another lying liberal demacRAT proving just how lower then a snake in a wagon rut these rotten liberals can get

14 O/T:

Alarm Bells - Radical Union Leader Appointed to Important Trade Post

On February 16, 2011,  Obama  announced the appointment of United Auto Workers president Bob King to the Advisory Committee for Trade Policy and Negotiations.

As U.S. trade positions and data are always  key targets of foreign intelligence services, one would think that appointments to such a body would be subject to thorough scrutiny.

Either this was not done in King's case, or affiliation with far left organizations, is no longer considered any sort of danger to national security in today's Washington.
...
Most bans in San Francisco are enacted by the Board of Supervisors, but come November, it sounds like voters will have the opportunity to jump on the ban wagon by deciding whether to ban male circumcision.

...
Everyone Must SacrificeÂ… Michelle Obama Enjoys a Ski Weekend in Vail

15 Eric Cantor Stars In: Taint Misbehavin'

16
Is it a bad thing that the proposed cuts in border security failed to pass?

Because that total $100 billion in cuts included slashing money for border fencing and E-Verify. Is increasing illegal immigration going to help the deficit?

17 There's a "Taint Misbehavin'" joke in here somewhere, but damn if I can figure it out.

18
Jon, was that a Democrat-sponsored amendment?

19 Eric Cantor, Young Gun.

Look out when he draws.

Since he can't hit his own target, when he finally pulls the trigger you'll likely be victimized among his unintended consequences. So far as he's concerned, you never counted.

Did Cantor hear "Tea Party"? After refusing to sign on in caucus, here's his agenda response: the shot gun spray in the face of the hosting friend a la Cheney.

 

20 Hoist the Black Flag, indeed
http://tinyurl.com/8b2udx
My war
You're one of them
You say
You're my friend
But YOU'RE ONE OF THEM

21 Is there a roll call on yesterday's amendment?

22 "Tattoo De Plane" Dood.

23 Because that total $100 billion in cuts included slashing money for border fencing and E-Verify. Is increasing illegal immigration going to help the deficit? Posted by: Jon at February 19, 2011 11:10 AM (Xt7UU) Dude you don't wanna get in the middle of an AoS commentator and self flagellation. Really you just don't.

24
Cantor doesn't realize that '12 will produce massive Democrat turnout.
With crap like this demoralizing the base, we'll be lucky to hold on to the House.

25 Why yes Lacey, yes there is.

26 I measure from the uvula. My tongue is longer than Gene Simmons's.

27 Eric Cantor sings, "Is You Is or Is You Taint My Baby?"

28
fuck it, for the rest of today I'm talking like a lolcat

29 I guess Obama's measuring from where, the back of his neck?

30 http://theothermccain.com/ He's cautious about this.. saying it's chess and trying to outmaneuver the Dems.

31 25 Filthy, but thanks for the link.

32
Iz in b4 some genius sez, "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

33 fuck it, for the rest of today I'm talking like a lolcat Talking like a lolcat: Yer dooin it rong.

34 Oh and since there's more than enough hate to spread around, I'll pile-on.

I give you the Quicker Fucker Upper by the numbers.

35 God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked. HAHAHAHHAHAH.

36 28
fuck it, for the rest of today I'm talking like a lolcat

Posted by: lolsoothsayer at February 19, 2011 11:15 AM (uFokq)

U can haz taintburger!

37
yeah, I realized I don't know how to talk like an lolcat

it was a bad decision, but I have to live with it


/My embarrassed face, let me show you it.

38
Jon, was that a Democrat-sponsored amendment?

No.  Cutting border security was part of Paul Ryan's plan.  Chris Wallace asked him about it on Fox News Sunday last week and Ryan defended it

39 FUCK YOU Cantor, and the rest of your RINO comrades!

40 Cutting the debt: Yer dooin it rong.

41 Can haz prezident's vacay budget and NPR?

42

And the GOP will continue mail out letters, begging us to donate.  They will say that the GOP is fighting the progressives, cutting the debt, and getting spending under control.  In tiny tiny letters at the bottom of the page reads..."oh yea, almost forgot, we jumped ship and voted with Democrats"

 

43 Thread called for Unclefacts!

44

I don't know about Cantor, but I think Boehner is doing a good job, as for Cantor, I can appreciate how he/they have phrased this. Most people don't get that there was no budget submitted last year, they cut 60 billion for the remaining 8 months of the fiscal year (which ends in October '11), he is accurate in saying that it is adjusted for the remainder of the fiscal year.

I am not going to beat up on Cantor or Boehner, I think so far they are doing a decent job, they not only have to deal with these idiot dems who neglected their duties last year but also their press secretaries, which is the entire press media in America. I am going to cut them a break on the budget for 2011, however for next year, I want bare minimum cuts of 100 Billion, and at least 2 times that as this 2012 budget will be done by the house repubs for the entire fiscal year.

I think Cantor and Boehner so far are doing a decent job. 

45 "He's cautious about this.. saying it's chess and trying to outmaneuver the Dems." Yeah....that's the ticket!

46 What is with the doom and gloom around here lately? It really must be true that in a large group, women start to cycle together.

47
oh shit, I almost lolforgot. I have to get this off my lolchest.


**warning**vicious and profane rant below**

Did you hear what those rotten fucking douche bags on The View said to Justin Bieber?

Justin says he pro-life. The rotten cee-you-next-tuesdays, Whoopi and Joy, say, "That doesn't concern you; it's an issue for adults."

But if Justin announced he was pro-homosexual marriage or pro-abortion, etc, those ugly old witches would have praised him.

48 OT - President Surrender at work again:

Obama administration has entered direct, secret talks with senior Afghan Taliban leaders - The New Yorker http://nyr.kr/gY7aHR

49 Debt, we haz it.

50
that's really neither vicious nor profane

I dunno what it is; maybe it the 'lol' that's dampening my spirit today.

51 Fuck these cockholstering twat burgers. It will be hard to vote R after this, and it was tough enough already.

52 But if Justin announced he was pro-homosexual marriage or pro-abortion, etc, those ugly old witches would have praised him.

Posted by: lolsoothsayer at February 19, 2011 11:27 AM (uFokq)

 

But they would have pretended that his weenie was a straw first.

53 But if Justin announced he was pro-homosexual marriage or pro-abortion, etc, those ugly old witches would have praised him.

He'd be the Grand Marshall of the Little Rock Pride Parade!

54 Eric Cantor: taint Republican and taint Democrat.

55 But I'm sure they liked his position on health care.

He said the US system 'sucked'. How great Canada was. Blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, like they'd let their purdy little girlie-boy ever wait in line for medical treatment. Sixty year old Bieber will never get it either as all his money will send him elsewhere for medical care.

Of course that won't be here.

56
Teens and abortion???

Yeah, that shit NEVER happens.

Attn: All Teens

Abortion does not concern you because a) you'll never become pregnant and therefore b) you'll never need an abortion.

57 who the fuck is justin bieber?

58
I really don't know.

Some kid who sings, I guess.

59 57 Just consider yourself lucky you don't know and leave it at that. Trust me.

60 have no clue who justin Bieber is, probably some current flash in the pan like the backstreet boys from the 90's

61 who the fuck is justin bieber? Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd at February 19, 2011 11:31 AM (eCAn3) Apparently a kid singer who I never paid any attention to and thought was an ass, but it turns out he has his head tied on right and is a pretty good basketball player also for a little white kid

62 16? The little mary looks like he's about 12.

63  Because that total $100 billion in cuts included slashing money for border fencing

Frustrating, the fence that is not, tax funds spent on production of "studies".

On slashing the budget for the "betterment" of overburdened taxpayers, slash funding Obama's entire open borders agenda. Deprive funding of cases against States Rights being prosecuted through the Attorney General's Office. Don't fund the federal prosecution of States (AZ/immigration) upholding rule of law, and prosecution of states refusing the unconstitutional federal mandate (ObamaCare). Limit this year's budget to fund/prioritize federal and Military Tribunal cases against foreign and domestic organized crime and Jihadist enemies of the state. There's an example of judicial activism from taxpayers.  If Obama wants to sue someone, he must wait until he's out of office, and conduct his efforts on his own dime, not at taxpayer expense suing the taxpayer.

64
If you guys don't pick up the effort I swear I'll bore you with the poison tree story again.

Entertained, I am not.

65 Keep in mind the name is Justin; not Justine.

66 Amerika can haz buttfuck?

67 That's who these sick old bitches are. They want to corrupt your children and strengthen their own numbers. Future customers at the abortion clinics or in the welfare lines. Miserable people to watch their depressing shows and keep their fat paychecks coming in. Selfish, evil, old cannibals.

68
Actually, this Bieber is a huge star and he'll be around for a long time.

I'm not saying I'm happy about it, but he can sing and act and, dammit, people like him.

And he's not an asshole. So that's nice.

69 Halp us ceiling  cat.

70 'Morning folks. 

There is still a dearth of information to be had on the damned vote.  Has anyone found the roll call yet? 

Anyhoo, seems like most of the conservative sites are being very cautious and not criticizing Cantor et al.  But there's been simply no explanation that I can find about why they did what they did.  Procedural reasons do not fly - sorry.  If that were the reason, they'd have made up the cuts elsewhere. 

I've generally had a good impression of Cantor, so it's all quite disappointing. 

I can't agree that Boehner has done a good job on this.  He's done a lousy job by failing to get out in front on this and leaving a whole bunch of us twisting in the wind.  And I don't even consider myself a Tea Partier, but I feel betrayed.  I would have taken a (good) explanation, but for Cantor to put out a release that claims $100B in cuts when the WSJ says it's $60B... well, that's just unacceptable. 

71 The Tea Party thing in Madison ought to be warming up about now.

72 Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at February 19, 2011 11:25 AM (ACkhT)

You make some excellent points which are well-taken.  However I'm worried about Vichy cocksuckers like Dan Lungren whining about how he may have to cut staff:  Tough fucking shit to that, asswipe.  This is too much like the entitlement attitude that the donkeycrat fuckheads have been operating under for decades.  Also we have some Senate squishes sitting down with shitheads like Durbin  to be all *bipartisan*.  Fuck that shit; those bastards will never budge a fucking micron on entitlements and we'll end up with tax increases shoved up our asses; just like Poppy Bush v2.0.

Things don't work out well when Repukes start thinking "bipartisan".  This reeks of that quisling fat shit Rove.

73
I think we have something in Boehner that we haven't since forever -- a Republican Speaker of the House who wants to remain Speaker for a long time.

74 Heather's at the rally in Madison today. I'm sure the pigfilth will show themselves to counter-protest. Her pictures should be good.

75 "I can't agree that Boehner has done a good job on this." What? Didn't you hear the "read my lips" speech?

76 who the fuck is justin bieber?

This is a big fuckin' deal for the pro life movement, if Justin Bieber tells Rolling Stone he is morally opposed to abortion. So many young girls are in love with him. If he cuts his hair, millions discuss it on Twitter.

77 Eric Cantor, rearranging the deck chairs on the Taintanic.

78 O/T:   someone sent me this link
anyone care to explain to me what's going on here? 

79
You guys are too demanding of Boehner.

Boehner can't be rigid every minute of the day.

When we need Boehner, he usually stands tall.

80

SF to Ban Male Circumcision?

Foreskin Futures just shot up.

81 who the fuck is justin bieber?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd at February 19, 2011 11:31 AM (eCAn3)

If he is not Bobby Goldsboro he is no good.

82 this taint right....

Another round of primaries.... we'll just keep winnowing the pile.

i started getting a bad vibe from Cantor shortly after the elections.... I also see that Noem from SD may be a problem...
*i've gotta be more careful of who i send money to*

83 Posted by: curious at February 19, 2011 11:42 AM (p302b)

Its an add for Obama's Stormtroopers.

84 79
You guys are too demanding of Boehner.

Boehner can't be rigid every minute of the day.

I would have been satisfied with a good explanation.  There has been none.  Instead, we've been asked to swallow a claim of $100B from Cantor that no one, even on the right, believes. 

I do get the sense that there's been a closing of the ranks in the conservative media/blogosphere.  They are basically not criticizing the GOP for failing to hit the mark.  So I am sure Boehner's hand is involved in that.  But, he and Cantor should have been out in front on this -- explaining to us, in advance, why Jordan's $22B proposal was a no go.  Instead, they are shoveling manure at us and calling it ice cream. 

So I'm pissed at Boehner because he's treating us like children.

And, since the Senate GOP is notoriously weak-kneed, I'm expecting to get completely screwed. 

85
The best invention of all time?

Easy.
Ibuprofen.

86

Eric Cantor with Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood in

Paint Your Taint

87 You know who didn't bother to vote on the CR?  The next president of the United States, Ron Paul, that's who:

H R 1
Passed
19-Feb-2011

Making appropriations for the Department of Defense and the other departments and agencies of the Government for the fisal year ending September 30, 2011

PaulNot Voting


So, no bitchin' about the level of cuts from you Ron.

88 RON PAUL!!!1!!11!!!

89 People: EVEN ALLEN WEST VOTED AGAINST THIS!

90 Posted by: Some Retard at February 19, 2011 11:49 AM (VXBR1)

I'd vote for Hitler if Hitler would cut spending to a sane level.

91 @87 and @89

Do you have  alink to the roll call?

92

"What? Didn't you hear the "read my lips" speech?"

Yes, that speech wasn't that good, considering the history of "read my lips" by '41 and then raising taxes. Boehener should avoid that phrase.

But Boehner I am cutting a break, they are at least listening, and fighting back, they not only have to fight back against the demonrats, but their press secretaries of the MSM.

When he comes to all the major issues Boehner and Hersling? seem to be doing a good job. I was pleased to see Boehner put out a statement in support of Gov. Walker when the community-agitator-in-chief did his agitating against the WI governor, Boehner is doing a decent job. Once the senate flips in 2 years it will make it easier to pass more, much more fiscal conservative, limited govt items. I'm a registered Independents, and know many indies and they side with Boehner over Obama.

At least Boehner seems to "speak softy and carries a big stick"  while Mr. Obama seems to speak loudly and carries a toothpick.

93 I would have been satisfied with a good explanation.  There has been none.

Look, I'm as nervous about this as the rest of you.  But if you have a plan for controlling events long term, then you don't want your opponents to know what it is until it's too late.  If there is a plan here, then the GOP leaders have to suck up the criticism from their troops in the short term.   Hell, it's probably part of the plan that we make lots of noise.  IF!

If there isn't a plan, and this is a true cave, there will be time before '12 to replace them.  They have to know that.

Sure, there are probably some who just think it's business as usual.  They're already toast.

94
What's this?

My expo instructor wrote "What's this?" all over my essays because I had a bad habit of using "this" or "that" and assuming my audience knew what I was talking about.

95

The best invention of all time?

13 Year Old Girls.

96
so what exactly did Allen West vote against?

97 No West did not vote against it. From the ONT:

The Republicans who voted nay are:

John Campbell
Jeff Flake
Walter Jones

http://tinyurl.com/4obaxbs

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 06:53 AM (VuLos)

The first two are major WTF, but the last one is a RINO.

98 y-not
http://tinyurl.com/4doy3jo
that's DiT's link

99 I never have understood why people lie sometimes when it is completely unnecessary.

100 In the last couple of days a lot of lefties have said to me that they like ron paul because he is anti war and they like his isolationist policies.  I don't know much about ron paul.  You guys made me think he's a nut not worth my time.  But sheeesh my lefty friends seem to really love the guy.

101 89 People: EVEN ALLEN WEST VOTED AGAINST THIS!

Posted by: MJH at February 19, 2011 11:50 AM (kBLec)

I went looking for that too. I really would like to hear the reasoning and get more detail.

 

102 $66 billion = $100 billion for large values of you little people are too ignorant to understand how we do things in DC now go home and send us campaign contributions.

103 If there isn't a plan, and this is a true cave, there will be time before '12 to replace them.  They have to know that.

By failing to get out in front with an explanation - or, alternatively, failing to persuade Jordan to introduce that $22B in cuts - Boehner and Cantor have given the media more "split within the GOP" fodder.  That vote was a disaster.  Sorry, it just was.  You cannot have Paul Ryan and Mike Pence (DRAFT PENCE!!!) voting on one side and Cantor and others voting on the other. 

That's my objection.

I would have taken the original pro-rated cuts (non-$100B cuts), but for them to promise to get to $100B, not do it (because leadership was split), and then lie to us about it -- fuck that. 

104 There is still a dearth of information to be had on the damned vote.  Has anyone found the roll call yet?

Y-not,

Miss80s...on the overnight thread:

After 65+hrs of debate, the House has passed H.R.1

235-189

Only 3Rs joined the 186 Dems in voting against the measure.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 04:41 AM

The Republicans who voted nay are:

John Campbell
Jeff Flake
Walter Jones

http://tinyurl.com/4obaxbs

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 06:53 AM


Found a roll call vote on the $22 billion amendment that the RINOs voted down

Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry at February 19, 2011 09:34 AM

105 Ok what is all this lying around shit? Oh no Obama's raising the deficit still and Republicans are helping somewhat!!! Oh no Republican politicians won't do what we say oh noes!!!!! OK wtf I thought I was at a far right wing website full of fellow far right wing extremists. WTF happened to everyone? Did all of a sudden right wing, conservative, whatever you want to call it people start turning into whiny bitches who need a politician to validate their lives ? Really I thought that was what liberal pussies did, sit around and have to petition the government if they wanted something. Whatever happens with the debt, if the dollar implodes, worst case scenario shit happens..would you rather be some liberal taintlicker who has to sit around in the ashes and whine for someone else to do for him, or would you rather be a far right wing extremist ahole who has had to do for himself his whole life? Go out tonight grab a beer, a fat chick, a hot chicken wing, and watch George Mason start another final four run.

106 And the 100 billion in cuts, which is actually 60 billion, is still too much for some in the Republican leadership:

For its part, the Appropriations leadership is not wedded entirely to the final package either.

“I don’t think the chairman of the full committee likes the CR very much. If he did he wouldn’t have been required to write it three times,” joked Rep. Steven LaTourette (R-Ohio) in the closing debate. And many on the committee believe that its initial bill, making $32 billion in cuts, was a far more realistic target given the makeup of the Senate.

Politico


Republicans: The Whigs of the 21st Century

107 The 100B statement is pure spin. The intent was to say it was a 100B cut in the budget when adjusted for the full year.


He should save that kind of distortion for the Dems.

108 I read that the cuts in the amendment would have been left to the discretion of OMB, Obama's OMB.  I wonder what he would have cut? 

You know the answer, because he would do what politicians always do.  They cut the most visible things that government does.  Anything that brought immediate and glaring pain to the average voter. Police and fire and teachers at the local level.  Border enforcement on the national level.  Then they would sigh wistfully and voice their regrets at what the evil GOP made them do. 

109 100,000 protestors of all persuasions will be in the vicinity of the Wis. state capital building in Madison today.  LINK

110 In the mean time, libertarians are still waiting for conservatives to tend to their flock.

111

Posted by: curious at February 19, 2011 11:54 AM (p302b)

Ron Paul is smart when it come to the policies of the Federal Reserve, monetary polices and limited small federal govt. He goes completely overboard and nutty when it comes to national security. He seems to completely ignore that part of it. And I woudln't be surprised if some/many of his ardent very loyal fans ended up voting for Obama, they frankly seem to have no clue what they believe in, just want to believe in some cause to feel worthwhile, many I'm seen seem to have an anarchy streak in them, in my eyes that makes them in the same league as Obots zoomies.

112 Eric Cantor with Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood in

Paint Your Taint

Posted by: garrett

Cantor plays a brokeback girl with two husbands, one who's a tree whisperer.

113 or, alternatively, failing to persuade Jordan to introduce that $22B in cuts

Ugh.  That's to persuade him to NOT introduce that failed $22B in cuts amendement

114 The roll call on HR 1, which is the final CR:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll147.xml

115 Vic at February 19, 2011 11:53 AM The roll call is in the post; I'm not going to hold your hand and find his vote for you.

116 110 In the mean time, libertarians are still waiting for the pizza dude to show up. conservatives to tend to their flock.

Posted by: Evil Red Scandi at February 19, 2011 11:58 AM (M+Vm5)

FIFY.

117 I guess we need to clarify the word "cut" to even Republicans. A cut occurs when there is a reduction from previous year's spending. That should be the only definition we allow.

118

Posted by: mrp at February 19, 2011 11:57 AM (HjPtV)

Hope they spend lots of $$ in WI. Even my union-loving in-laws are pretty disgusted by these cowardly dems running away. I wonder if Obama and his minions have a clue how much this is and going to backfire on them. This is the Cambridge cops issue from 2 years ago all over again.

119 CANTOR IS A RINO AND A LIAR!

120 So Allen West voted against the $22B in cuts. 

He's been good about posting explanations on his FB page.  I'm eager to see what it is. 

(Thanks for the links, guys.)

121 Here is what the WI union will reference as a reason why teachers MUST not be de-unionized!

122 Cantor deserves the heat, but don't leave out Tammy Faye Boehner. He didn't vote, but Cantor does his bidding.  This is on Tammy Faye.

They're both awful, and at the same time near perfect representatives of the GOP.

Hows that Change the GOP from the Inside line of bull working out for ya?

Primaries and third party runs will be needed to be finally be rid of this crew.

123 f you've been following the "courageous" female Iowan wrestler story, her road to equality ended pretty much as expected. She got pinned in her next two matches." Much like "GI Jane" who quit SEAL training the first day. Ah yes lovely.

124 119 CANTOR IS A RINO AND A LIAR!   ...and a Joooooo!

125 well off to run errands.  All I have to say is Stand Strong Gov. Walker, the silent majority stands with you.

126 He should save that kind of distortion for the Dems dumbasses.
Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2011 11:57 AM

Fixed.

127 From a WSJ article posted today:

Mr. Walker also bristled at comments by President Barack Obama that his bill "seems like more of an assault" on unions. "When your budget is fixed, you can stick your nose in ours," Mr. Walker said. "But in the meantime, let us fix our budget the way we said we were going to."

So what are the odds Obama will carry Wisconsin in 2012?

128 110 In the mean time, libertarians are still waiting for conservatives to tend to their flock.

It's easy to hold your flock together when it consists of one dude, who's too chicken to run as a Libertarian and pretends to be a Republican. 

You guys are a joke with delusions of grandeur. 

129 From Vic's link:
(Solona) Islam said she was desperate for money and originally thought she was just going to work for a dating service. 

This woman was an algebra teacher.  Yeah, and I'm Marie of Romania. 

She did say that she hoped this wouldn't affect her ability to find another job, so there's that. 

130 The roll call is in the post; I'm not going to hold your hand and find his vote for you.

Posted by: MJH at February 19, 2011 12:01 PM (kBLec)

I repeat:

The Republicans who voted nay are:

John Campbell
Jeff Flake
Walter Jones

http://tinyurl.com/4obaxbs

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 06:53 AM (VuLos)

And Westn is in the 235 yes votes column.

131 BTW - the other Republican not voting on the CR -  Ben Quayle (AZ).

Don't know what his story is.

132
"And many on the committee believe that its initial bill, making $32 billion in cuts, was a far more realistic target given the makeup of the Senate."

This sums it up perfectly.

We don't want you assholes to be realistic; we want you to do what's right.

Fuck the Senate. Fuck Obama. Do what's right.

133 West voted for the CR, but against the amendment (103) that proposed $22B in cuts. 

I assume Flake voted against the CR because it didn't go far enough (and his vote wasn't needed to pass it). 

134

I'm going to stay happy for now because the unions are killing themselves, I hope. If Walker folds I'm going into depression though.

135 Patience, patience, my children. Eric Cantor knows what he is doing. He doesn't make any decision without consulting Ryan, McCarthy and Boehner, and the four of them are still adhering to a cunning long term strategy.. You gossipy yentas are always getting bitchy prematurely. 

136 Only in Arkansas would you find a prostitute teaching algebra whose name was Islam. Serioulsy. (BTW my mother is from there so I'm not speaking out of school).

137 What's with the fist and arm waving in Bahrain?

looks like heil hitler to me.

138 Vic at February 19, 2011 12:06 PM We're talking about two different things. I'm talking about the Jordan/Blackburn amendment, which is what this post is talking about. You have some Department of Defense amendment. West voted against Blackburn, which is where the real cuts were.

139 The WI thing is a good sign.

Any word yet on what Obama's flying monkeys are achieving in OH and IN?  I recall reading he was sending them to both of those states to do a similar schtick. 

140

So what are the odds Obama will carry Wisconsin in 2012?

The key to winning any state in 2012 will be the Veteran Vote.  If we can get close to 100% of the Civil, Spanish - American, and First World War Veterans, we'll be hard to beat. 

141 If they're tailoring their bill to what they think the Senate will go for, they're abandoning their strong position as the keepers of the pursestrings.  Let the Senate know you're going the distance and they need to move their goalposts.

And who's the R in charge of appropriations?  How much is he going to play along with diminishing HIS power by slashing the budget?

142 I'm trying to hasten my retirement (so I won't look like a quitter) and be grandfathered in before the 2012 Teaparty administration axes congressional retirement benefits.

143 Kudlow is saying the economy is getting stronger not weaker but he and his recent guest agreed that it's not a normal recovery. The jobs situation and the housing market crash and ultimate decimation of everyone's retirement money since the guest acknowledged that most Americans had their retirement money, right or wrong, tied up in their house, may be the new normal.

144
We need t-shirts!

;">Think Small

145 Bringing down the deficit is a long-term thing.  I understand that. 

What I am most angry with the House Leadership over is the mishandling of the "messaging."  That $22B vote was a disaster.  It never should have happened.  And I am pretty pissed that Cantor (and Boehner, obviously) are sticking to the claim that they've cut $100B when no one on the planet believes them.

And I'm pissed the Malkin, the NRO, and others on the rightosphere are allowing them to get away with that claim. 

146 136  and the four of them are still adhering to a cunning long term strategy..

AH, HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

147
Kudlow is a pollyannish clown.

148 That's an interesting map there on fox "middle east hot spots".  Interesting that those chose communist read to highlight them.

149
Talk about someone out of touch with the facts and feelings on the ground...

Kudlow reads reports and talks out of his ass.

150 You think your day is bad....last night I entered Rosie and Helen Thomas at the same time. This morning I was used to bash open walnuts and change the tire on a Prius.

151 I assume Flake voted against the CR because it didn't go far enough (and his vote wasn't needed to pass it). 

Posted by: Y-not at February 19, 2011 12:07 PM (pW2o

I hope he gives an explanation.

Posted by: MJH at February 19, 2011 12:09 PM (kBLec)

No, this post is about the statement that the overall CR cut 100B and not the 61B that it actually cut.

152 @70, I've generally had a good impression of Cantor

"If you knew Susie
Like I knew Susie
Oh! Oh! Oh! What a gal... "

Got a million of 'em.

153 MSNBC is running a constant warning that this thing in Wisconsin is armageddon. They keep insisting that this the BATTLE that must be won.  Apparently, Rachel Maddow had been going full tard on explaining how the tea party wants to destroy the unions and this is the apex event.

154 Posted by: The House Leadership at February 19, 2011 12:12 PM (uFokq)

like the rest of America, he seems as though he tired of "playing along for the good of the country".  He's getting angry, so much so that he is looking like levin, if his caller says something totally stupid, he's now hanging up on them.  Kudlow is very tolerant, he doesn't normally hang up on any caller, this is a sign he's had enough.

155 Rachel Maddow had been ....... explaining how the tea party wants to destroy the unions and this is the apex event.

And?  She's right for once.

156
Check out this logic by the House Republicans.Stick with me, if you can.

We will design our bills in accordance with the makeup of the Senate. So if the House is 2/3 Republicans, and the Senate is 2/3 Democrats, the House will proceed as if it was 2/3 Democrats because that's the makeup in the Senate,the place where all the House bills end up.

157 Vic at February 19, 2011 12:13 PM Okay, so you can't even read the link in the post that says Blackburn. We need to invest more in education I think....

158 Here's what we expected. The new GOP House gets in, after having puffed their chests about finding Fiscal Jesus in their hearts. The fiscal year is partly spent, and the pledge was $100 billion. So, without breathing fire and screaming "Socialism is Sin," the leadership could have declared "You know what? Now that we are here and we appreciate ever more acutely the gravity of matters, we're going to ask for $250 billion in cuts. Let the Democrat-controlled Senate tell the nation we can't afford to trim less than a quarter of the administration's new deficit spending. We know we promised less, but we plan to deliver more. It is only prudent." Instead it's Clintonian parsing of numbers. There is no "grand plan" behind this. Politicians are never that clever; they normally act upon expediency, which is precisely what is happening now. It is what it appears, mere inertia and weakness. Barry did the same thing to his ultra-leftard supporters. Gitmo is still open and there is no public option. Now is when Kratos should deliver his quotidian commentary...

159 I spent a couple of hours this morning reading about Wisconsin.  The consensus is rapidly emerging that the spectacle in Madison is a full-on disaster for the unions, the teachers, the Dems, and Obama.  I revel in it, especially since it is entirely self-inflicted. 

160 Apparently, Rachel Maddow had been going full tard on explaining how the tea party wants to destroy the unions and this is the apex event.

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 12:14 PM (l3g1A)

Apparently even a complete shithead like that can get it right once in a while.

161 When you read the stuff the left is writing about Wisconsin, you'll immediately notice that they don't grasp how not taxing businesses into the ground supplies jobs. They completely miss that idea. They think that taxes can be raised on business indefinately to pay for public sector unions. The fact that if there are no businesses, there is no tax money to pay for their perks eludes them entirely. It's like abolishing the military because you don't like war. Amazing.

162 >>And? She's right for once. Yep. If Walker and the Reps hang strong this could be the begining of the end of public unions, the Dems biggest "special interest group". There was a reason Obama went after the Supremes for overturning parts of the campaign finance law.

163 Apparently, Rachel Maddow had been going full tard on explaining how the tea party wants to destroy the unions and this is the apex event. Like that is a bad thing? Me so confused.

164 Maddow is also pushing the "WI actually has a SURPLUS!" meme

165 Posted by: MJH at February 19, 2011 12:17 PM (kBLec)

There was no link in your damn post, heal thyself

166 Yep. If Walker and the Reps hang strong this could be the begining of the end of public unions, the Dems biggest "special interest group".

Interesting that the party that didn't buy the 'Domino Effect' in Vietnam so fears it spreading through other statehouses from WI.

167
There is no "grand plan" behind this.

Precisely. Especially since we're talking about Republicans.
Republicans only have the House because the Democrats were terrible. The Republicans didn't earn their victory in November; they got the House by default.

These are pretty much the same incompetent losers that were in charge in 2006.

Guess what? We're right back to 2006 with these jerkoffs.

168 Now is when Kratos should deliver his quotidian commentary...

Posted by: George Orwell at February 19, 2011 12:19 PM (AZGON)

We already have chaos... SUMMON THE METEORS!

169 Well, maddow goes on to explain that they only want to do this to help the big corporations which apparently are just like the monopoly guy--I haven't figured out yet how the tea party can be ignorant racist rubes one minute and some huge corporation who wants to make everyone work in a sweatshop for a bread ration the next.

170 Evil Red Scandi

Don't blindly blame citizens coerced without choice, born after Social Security began. You want vengeance? Go after the family estates of descendants of those who originated the Social Security ponzi scheme, and everyone who looted from the federally mandated withheld wages. You conveniently ignore the civic responsibility to coerce from every Congressional Session and Administration NO AVAILABILITY TO SOCIAL SECURITY FUNDS aside from social security payments on poverty need basis for the elderly whose entire lifetime of apportioned wages were arbitrarily withheld to be returned in old age.  Rescind form Congress availability to the withheld wages, no ability to borrow using SS withheld wage funds as collateral.  Granted, the whole thing stank all along. That's no revelation. Granted, those with a brain knew that even without Congressional plundering, a shift in population proportions could destabilize the program.  Also expectations began with the government newsreel propaganda that all an American needed, in order to get onto FDR's gravy train, was make a single Social Security Payment prior to official retirement requirements, and they'd be set for life. And that generation WAS set for life. But that generation was also the Great Depression generation, so go figure why they'd fear poverty in old age, having spent 20 years trying to raise families while members starve to death and no organized help for unemployed working men, displaced farmers, unemployed veterans and families. It is not ironic that the Progressive agenda mandating the welfare state is also the political party force that opened the borders in the name of compassion to empower organized crime permeating all facets of American life. It is not ironic that the US Welfare State was born and matured simultaneously with the US Labor movement to unionize. The powers that promote ponzi schemes never have the public's well being at heart, and usually have media propaganda promoting the sale's pitch, and access to thugs for enforcement of mandates.

171 When PolitiFact has to smack down a Red like Rachel you know it's egregious.

172 Are we not leaving open the negotiating tactic of aim high?

The Dems have been doing it for years in all things large and small which is how we've ended up shifting the slide more and more to the left. Just how easy would it have been to get that $61B had they asked for $61B?

We have to leave room for the Oh, well, Dems. We tried and you were just to tough. We'll just take the $61B bullshit.

If you want 50 of anything when dealing with the Dems you're going to have to ask for 100 because all they are going to want to give you is 0.

Let's not be so damned quick to eat our own.

173 Vic at February 19, 2011 In Dave's post, which is what I said again and again.

174 Posted by: Governor Walker's Fan Club at February 19, 2011 12:32 PM (piMMO)

If we went for 375 billion in spending cuts we'd have exceeded the original goal of 100 billion.

175 I spent a couple of hours this morning reading about Wisconsin.  The consensus is rapidly emerging that the spectacle in Madison is a full-on disaster for the unions, the teachers, the Dems, and Obama.  I revel in it, especially since it is entirely self-inflicted.

My hope: That they spend every red friggin cent on this and other state fights and can't raise diddly for the 2012 fight.

Make them spend it ALL!

176 If we went for 375 billion in spending cuts we'd have exceeded the original goal of 100 billion.

I understand, but my guess is that, perhaps, they had set their expectations too low. Did they really aim for $100B or for $60B?

177 These are pretty much the same incompetent losers that were in charge in 2006.

Guess what? We're right back to 2006 with these jerkoffs.

Topped by Boehner, AGAIN House Speaker.

Local governance.

Republicans '10 won because voters played activists against big spending big government. The voter results were not "default" -- though politicians fail to recognize electoral obligations to make financial federal cuts as voters demand. Now, should voters demanding LESS government not remain in activist mode, then the '10 vote will go down as default -- just as we are witnessing. We might not like it, certainly don't appreciate it. But the only choice Americans have is to give up or else remain consistently vocal on target with demands for LESS TAXES from citizens who demand a smaller federal government. Translation: we don't want to fund socialist programs. Begin the cuts by eliminating Departments including Education, no longer federally funding through taxation or mandating from local tax funding or compliance by states, counties or municipalities any jobs or programs. Whatever taxes are collected must remain at the local level, not be squandered en route to and from the corruption and self interests running Washington DC.

178 My prediction is that they will not get the 60B. The Senate will probably alter it to something like 20B, mostly out of the military, and also include a tax increase on the "rich".  They will be aided and abetted by MooKow, the ME sisters, and probably Scott Brown.

At that point the House will have to either capitulate or force a shutdown. That is what the Dems want. They are still fighting the 1996 war thinking that the Repukes will get all the blame.

The 64M dollar question is "are the House Repukes still fighting the 1996 war"?

179 2012 Teaparty administration axes congressional retirement benefits.

Grandfather in? No, retroactive ax.

...And wipe out federal employee unions.

180 Cut tax funds from Congressional members' TRAVELING expenses.

181 I never comment here, but...measure from the taint?!? I haven't laughed like that for awhile.

182 At that point the House will have to either capitulate or force a shutdown.

Double dog dare poker game.

At that point the House reciprocates with the augmented $100+billion cuts as promised to voters.

183 Whatever happens with the debt, if the dollar implodes, worst case scenario shit happens..would you rather be some liberal taintlicker who has to sit around in the ashes and whine for someone else to do for him, or would you rather be a far right wing extremist ahole who has had to do for himself his whole life?

Mr. Pink '12!

184 It is precisely as Ace pointed out yesterday. Unless the House is prepared to actually endure a shutdown, none of this matters. That's the only weapon they have which Barry cannot preempt.

185 Not voting, Ben Quayle, Dan's snowbird carpetbagger son elected from AZ.

186

Governor Walker is not trying to break the back of the unions.

But I suspect that he would like to bring to an end collective bargaining for government employee unions.

What the sleazy dummies in the  MSM are conveniently and deliberatelty neglecting to mention is that, since the late 1800's, Wisconsin has had fair and reasonable labor protection laws which supersede and overlap and negate a need for labor unions. Those laws will not be affected by Governor Walker's proposed legislation, and, in fact, they provide enormous protections and benefits of Wisconsin's workers, union and non-union, alike.

When will you people learn that the the liars in the MSM consistently distort the facts? They're worse enemies than many politicians are.

187 Uh oh. This was from Thursday in the WaPo: Bipartisan 'Gang of Six' in Senate developing framework for deficit reduction ...The group, known informally as the "Gang of Six," began meeting last year soon after Obama's fiscal commission recommended an ambitious plan to reduce the deficit. Four senators supported the commission report - Budget Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Mike Crapo (R-Idaho). They joined forces with Sens. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.) and Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), who had been working to build support among moderates for a bold plan to control the national debt. You just know how this will end.

188 You just know how this will end.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 19, 2011 01:08 PM (AZGON)

Just like I said, which is about what Obama has proposed, except that his proposal was full of bogus figuring. 

The House must show some balls and more importantly, the 2012 budget MUST be split up so that individual department shutdowns are forced.

189 The House must show some balls and more importantly, the 2012 budget MUST be split up so that individual department shutdowns are forced. Balls? We don't play "ball" in the new GOP House. We are far too clever. It'sÂ… 3-dimensional chess. Yeah, that's it. 3-D chess. Like Spock.

190

38 No.  Cutting border security was part of Paul Ryan's plan.  Chris Wallace asked him about it on Fox News Sunday last week and Ryan defended it.

 

That is incorrect. The bill was drafted by the House Appropriations Committee, so it is Hal Rogers' bill. As for Ryan defending it, yes he did, but giving money for a border fence does not equal border security. How about actually enforcing laws on the books?

191

As for the $66B, hope someone reads this. You have to pick which Obama budget you are measuring against and consider annualization. This is how it works:

"Well, right, so the score at that time, off of the only baseline that existed, and I know this takes me a second to explain it, was the PresidentÂ’s budget, because the Democrats didnÂ’t do a budget. And then, it did save $100 billion dollars, going to thoseÂ…you see, the problem is thereÂ’s two conflicting points in there. Â’08 levels, $100 billion. Â’08 levels, if they were enacted at the beginning of the year, off of the Obama budget, would have saved $100 billion dollars. Â’08 levels now donÂ’t save that much money for two reasons. WeÂ’re halfway through the fiscal year, and our Senate colleagues, Mitch McConnell and others, did a good job in the lame duck by defeating the Obama omnibus appropriations bill at his levels, knocked us down to a flat funding C.R., and that already started saving us some money. So we went in a lame duck down to 2010 levels from 2011, saving right there, and then the Democrats blew spending out for the next five months, ending in March, costing a lot. So we went down to those levels, doesnÂ’t clearly save as much, and now weÂ’re going to go even deeper than we would have done. We actually annualize, and we will save $170 billion dollars with what weÂ’re doing this week, because weÂ’re going back and getting the spending, the money that was already spent over the first five months of the year. So if you want to take this out for what we would have saved, annualize it over the whole year, $170 billion dollars."

192

With respect to this issue, you can't believe what people in the MSM tell you, because for self-serving reasons, most of them have become accomplished, compulsive and pathological liars.

What many people don't consider is the vast majority of the people in the MSM are members of labor unions themselves, and, therefore, they are intransigent in their opposition to reforms in how all unions operate.

I can't think of any group of people who are more underworked and more overpaid than people in the MSM are; e.g., hell, they've become so lazy, spoiled and pampered that they don't even bother to do investigative journalism anymore. They come up with screwy assumptions, even screwier conjectures and run it as a story, often having to back-peddle after it is shown that they got it all wrong ...., or ...., lying to save face and to cover their asses and to conceal and deflection attention away from their fuck-ups. If those incompetent dummies get a story right, it is by sheer luck. In the words of Animal House's Dean Wormer, "I hate those guys!"

193
Federal pay amendment to House spending bill fails
02/19/2011

An aggressive House spending plan passed early Saturday doesn't include any amendments curtailing the pay or benefits of federal employees or cutting the size of the federal workforce.

An amendment introduced by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) would have stopped federal agencies from giving pay increases to workers who take on additional responsibilities and move to a higher pay grade.

It failed early Saturday 191 to 230, with 13 lawmakers not voting. Forty-six Republicans joined 184 Democrats in voting no; 190 Republicans and one Democrat voted yes.

Other GOP proposals to trim the federal workforce by attrition and to extend President Obama's two-year pay freeze for federal workers were not offered as amendments to the spending bill.

Wapo



OK House Republicans, go home for your weeklong President's Day paid recess.

You've earned it....

194 Let's not be so damned quick to eat our own.

Hey man, didn't you hear?  You've got to eat your own and then put a gun in your mouth afterwards or you're some kind of RINO tool.

It helps if you jump off a building while wedging the barrel between your teeth.

Oh, and be sure to register Libertarian right before you jump.

Whatever you do, don't think too hard.

195

When will you people learn that the the liars in the MSM consistently distort the facts? They're worse enemies than many politicians are.

Posted by: Brian at February 19, 2011 01:05 PM (sYrWB)

I would honestly believe they have no clue that those laws exist, nobody does any actual research anymore.

196 hell, they've become so lazy, spoiled and pampered that they don't even bother to do investigative journalism anymore.

No. It's now their job to help us "understand" what we're seeing. I was more than a little pissed when even Fox jumped on that bandwagon with their latest commercials.

We don't need no stinking perspective. We're all filled up here.

197 And shoving the BS claim in your face a mere day after voting with the Dems to avoid an additional $22 BB in actual cuts, well "shameless" is too kind a word.

Cantor probably thinks that since Obie gets away with spouting bullshit and isn't called on it in the media, there's no reason why he can't give it a whirl.

198

What Cantor is doing here involves a specific baseline, money spent, annualized cuts, and a number of other considerations. He's measuring savings against the govt, so he's right in that and they actually saved far more than $100B. Again, read 192 , and the quote isn't from Cantor.

199 Plus, anyone who thinks the House leadership hasn't received heat for this hasn't been paying attention for the past 2mos. Hugh Hewitt has been screaming (and hair-splitting) for quite some time, as have some of the people @ NRO. Though the folks @ NRO also understand that technicalities involved in all this, which were admitted by the freshmen when they moved to cut further.  

200 Whatever you do, don't think too hard.

Seriously. Anyone who's ever spent a day in business knows that you don't ask for $100B if you want $100B.

If that is the scenario that took place here, then they are far more incompetent than even this crowd has given them credit for. And, if that is the case, then we are all far more stupid than we give ourselves credit for because they didn't land their asses in DC on their own. They were voted into office.

201 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 01:57 PM (yfJ6g)

Thanks, M80B.

202 No. It's now their job to help us "understand" what we're seeing. I was more than a little pissed when even Fox jumped on that bandwagon with their latest commercials.

We don't need no stinking perspective. We're all filled up here.

Posted by: Governor Walker's Fan Club at February 19, 2011 01:45 PM (piMMO)

 

Yeah, I noticed that, during their coverage of the revolt in Egypt, Fox's Steve Hayes and Charles Krauthammer were winging it. They didn't have a fucking clue what was going on, and they got it all wrong.

203 Another example of Cantor reaching out:

WASHINGTON -- Who can get political opposites such as Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell and Democrat Harry Reid, Democratic Rep. Nancy Pelosi and Republican Rep. Eric Cantor all in the same room and talking nicely?

Apparently, Rep. John Lewis of Atlanta.

McConnell and Reid, along with Pelosi and Cantor, were just a few of the speakers at a Capitol Hill reception for Lewis after he was awarded the presidential Medal of Freedom last Tuesday.

Though the political opposites may be quick to disparage each other and their respective parties in the halls of Congress, their remarks about Lewis -- a liberal luminary in the Democratic Party -- were nothing but apolitical and kind, at least temporarily shattering any divisions between politics, ideologies, race or religion.

Cantor, the No. 2 House Republican, called Lewis, the Democrats' senior deputy whip in the House, an American hero.

"When we live and work among heroes, it inspires the rest of us to make courageous decisions," Cantor said.

"The brilliance of Martin Luther King Jr. and John Lewis was the way in which they aroused the conscience of our nation, the way they were able to spur Americans to live up to their highest principles," he added.


Lest we forget, Cantor's "American Hero" in 2008:

During the 2008 campaign, [Lewis] compared the McCain-Palin campaign to that of “presidential candidate George Wallace,” whose comparable “atmosphere of hate” led to the fatal church bombing in Birmingham. So egregious were Lewis’s comments that McCain called on Obama to “condemn” them.

204 It's all really complicated, and Cantor doesn't know how to explain the difference. So he's right but he's wrong but he's right.

205 #199: A voice of reason. Miss 80sbaby, I think I love you. Will you be my mommy?

206 205 It's all really complicated, and Cantor doesn't know how to explain the difference. So he's right but he's wrong but he's right.

Oh bullshit, M80s!  We're not amused by "complicated" around here.  Cantor's a wiiiiiiiiiitch.  Burn him now.  As for you, if you keep trying to employ RINO-ish tactics like "using facts to try to make sense out of all this" then maybe we need to burn YOU too!

No, the only thing that can possibly save this country is Sarah Palin™.  With Allen West as her running mate.

Oh wait, as of yesterday West is a wiiiiiiiiiitch too.  Never mind.

_{Shit, I guess I'm gonna go register Libertarian right now.}

207 Also, Flake and Campbell voted nay as a protest vote due to the failure of Blackburn's amendment as penned by Jordan. Another thing-- if anyone hears about a LaTourette Amendment failing, the bill was absolute crap.

208 It's all really complicated, and Cantor doesn't know how to explain the difference.

Isn't Robert Gibbs looking for a job?

209 Good news: Thornberry voted for the 22M cut.

Bad news: I probably won't be in his district when the new lines are redrawn. 

After those twats in Austin are done I better NOT still be in a district that is so effing gerrymandered that my reps office is over 300 miles away.

210 The best invention of all time?

Easy.
Ibuprofen.

Posted by: lolsoothsayer at February 19, 2011 11:47 AM (uFokq)

Naproxen (Aleve) is better.

211 I guess the next time I get an annoying e-mail from Eric Cantor asking for suggested government spending cuts for his website YouCut, I might as well suggest he cut the budget for that damn site. I know it's peanuts to run, but it's a colossal waste of time. Clearly Republicans aren't serious about reducing the debt.

212

I've listened to way too much C-SPAN. At this rate, I'm going to catch myself saying, "pursuant to clause...", "will the gentlemen yield", or "strike the last word". But it managed to actually keep me awake while I've been packing my stuff to move back to H-town, so there's that. 

213

Peoples.. my peoples.

 

Words mean something.  You say you're gonna cut $100BB, you cut $100BB.

You don't mealy-mouth it with budget years, or actual long-term bullshit, because this is political theater.  You're trying to make a statement. We. Cut. 100. Beelyun.

 

You do it because you said you would, and you want people to know you mean business.

 

Sheesh.

214 What is wrong with you all and Ace.  It is a CR.  normally cuts are not in the CR. The house got $61+Billion in cuts in this, and defund O'Care that CBO says saves 1.4TRILLION.     THERE will be much more in the Budget the house puts out in April.    Also, this puts the SEN DEMs and the occupied WhiteHouse on the spot as the ones who shut down the FED GOV on 3 March.     Chill and watch.

215 Sung to "The Candy Man"

Who can take a big win,
Wrap it up in debt?
Shove the voters mandate in a big black hole
Republicans, yes Republicans can
Republicans take power and mix it up with greed
Because they're no damn good

Who can take a house bill,
Sprinkle it with pork?
Cover it in chocolate and a miracle or two
Republicans, yes Republicans can
Republicans take power and mix it up with greed
Because they're no damn good

Who can take a rainbow,
Put it on a Tank?
Soak it in the sun and make the soldiers all retire
Republicans, yes Republicans can
Republicans take power and mix it up with greed
Because they're no damn good

The Republicans make
Huge fuckin' mistakes
Satisfying special interests
Talk about your childhood wishes.
You can even eat the dishes!

Who can take tomorrow,
Toss it down a well?
Perpetrate the sorrow and collect up all the dough,
Republicans, yes Republicans can
Republicans take power and mix it up with greed
Because they're no damn good
And the system's no good
'cause Republicans think they should

216 In the end, we either reform entitlements or we go banana republic.  It's that simple.

Whether or not a few billion is cut from discretionary spending in this fiscal year or next is of no real consequence, and only buffoons worry about such trivialities.

There needs to be a special section for the Paulbots and other assorted half-wits.

217

214 They didn't actually say that in The Pledge. The actual wording says they would return to '08 pre-bailout, pre-stimulus levels with $100B in savings over the 1st year.

The reason there's been so much confusion is that Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Wimp) was quite unclear as to what he actually meant and should have done a better job of actually writing that bit.

_{/People complain about Cantor, but McCarthy is far, far worse. He folds like an ironing board that man.}

218 We actually cut a trillion dollars, but we're playing nine-dimensional string theory chess, and that money's in one of those weird dimensions. Stand back, mortals, lest ye be fried by m' Glory!

219 I would give Cantor a solid B+.

220

Miss'80sbaby, I get that.  I'm talking about political kabuki.

40BB isn't a dealbreaker at all.  I'm referring to the power of "doing what you say you're gonna do", with clarity and unequivocation.

 

That's necessary.  This is a sadly watered down commitment, and it's gonna play that way.

221 "NJ gov. cuts more than the budget: his poundage"

Was so happy to see this.  The other day when he gave the DC speech I told my friend that his suit looked a little baggy and I thought he lost weight.  My friend insisted that he was buying bigger suits to appear thinner.  I won the bet, I get a nice dinner at a nice restaurant.

222 40BB isn't a dealbreaker at all.  I'm referring to the power of "doing what you say you're gonna do", with clarity and unequivocation.

The problem is, negotiation simply doesn't happen that way. And, I'm not talking about compromise, I'm talking about the negotiations process itself. You simply cannot say "I want THIS "and get THIS. You say "I want THIS" knowing you'll only get THAT.

We have to be willing to let them proceed and, perhaps, that means taking it down one bite at a time.

223 another fun statistic: only one nation - not the U.S. - was mentioned in the budget amendment - I don't wonder why, but the cowardice of "conservatives" on this is disheartening if unsurprising

224 Posted by: Chuckit at February 19, 2011 03:10 PM (HpYj9) No one cares except you. Why can't you let it go?

225 221 Well, here's the problem I see-- they actually clearly said what they were going to do, but it was misinterpreted. We have some GOP lawmakers who are overly obsessed with math and they are going to try to do things by the book instead of picking real numbers. That's what McCarthy did, he talked about savings over an entire year versus actual cuts. Now, where the problem occurs is that many lawmakers and the freshmen class got confused as to what was actually happening there, and there are so many other factors it makes me feel like a pretzel.

About yesterday-- you have two parties within the GOP who voted against, those from Appropriations & their ilk combined with Tea Party reps who wanted specific cuts (instead of across-the-board). So, the appropriators were against it because they felt slighted (which was confirmed by 2 phone calls), and you also have Tea Party freshmen concerned that these across-the-board cuts are finite and give Obama control.

226

The whole thing is just a mess, an absolute mess. When they deal with the budget or any other issues, they need to be specific about what they mean and they need to fulfill whatever that something is. No more technicalities that leave people angry and/or scratching their heads.

So, I've been hearing some good things about the budget and I think it's going to be more clear than this entire silly mess that occured due to failure of message discipline. I'm not sure Cantor even quite understands because he's never been able to explain the issue and has always deferred to books or other people. So I've never had the sense he's really all that slick. Cantor's real value is actually that he can sometimes say the right thing and do it in a forceful and effective way. Otherwise, I'm not quite sure why he is where he is because he hasn't proven himself, really. 

227 I mean, Cantor is great at biting sarcasm, issues where Israel is concerned (understandably), the threat by the Islamists, pro-life issues, etc.-- but he goes on these shows and he's left trying to recite points he's been given by someone else. That's really all I'm saying, that he isn't so much an evil genius as a pawn.

228 Yet another reason Rand Paul is awesome.

229

Just checked, and AoSHQ got mentioned by a poster on Cantor's FB feed. He's also getting lots of heat for his vote yesterday.

Going to try to call his VA office this time and see what he says.

230

Another thing I should have said earlier-- I think Cantor voted the way he did due to "the will of the conference". McCarthy likely did his because he is actually that much of a coward. But I want to hear his explanation for this.

But, yes, they need to stick to their pledge of cutting spending. A question that needs to be discussed, though, is what is the best way of going about that? I'm wondering if I get the answer that the budgetary process is better.

231 There you go again, M80s, thinking too much.

We could really burn down our own party much faster if you'd just cut that shit out and climb aboard with our all-caps outrage and snappy insults. 

232 You say "I want THIS" knowing you'll only get THAT.

All right then, the Republicans should have declared outright that TWO hundred billion was the target amount to cut. Negotiations begin, and it gets whittled down to something a little less (but more than a hundred billion).

Works for me.

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Thought so. It's $61B* as compared to 2010 enacted levels, which the Rs measuring according to budget requests.

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232 There you go again, M80s, thinking too much.

We could really burn down our own party much faster if you'd just cut that shit out and climb aboard with our all-caps outrage and snappy insults. 

LOL. Seriously, though, I want to figure this out before I go casting stones. I hate making phone calls to people I don't know, but I cared enough about this yesterday to do exactly that. This entire thing started due to a lack of message discipline because people didn't understand what McCarthy was saying and he didn't help. Then you have appropriators running wild while people like Ryan and Hensarling are trying to explain arcane math that loses people a minute into the conversation.

Then we have yesterday, and I know that a portion of the RSC is angry at Appropriations. I heard it in the staffers' voice, he called them lazy, and they are. So Boehner's transparent and open process is allowing us to see what normally happens behind closed doors, and it isn't pretty. We have committees airing dirty laundry on the House floor but they feel they can get away with it because no one is watching.

I am upset with McCarthy and Cantor here, and I've made no secret of my utter disdain for Hal Rogers. But considering Reps West and Kingston had reservations, I want to hear an explanation 1st. I mean, the Republican Study Committee split yesterday. Then we have people who always call Ryan a RINO having to praise him because he voted yes on this and another further spending amendment. Rather bizarro political world right now.

235 See what the "serious" people have brought us.

236 Eric Cantor is a bitch. I never trusted such an ass I always knew he was one. If any readers are in his district, get ready for a primary.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 19, 2011 10:59 AM (AT2+E)

Cantor doesn't realize that '12 will produce massive Democrat turnout.
With crap like this demoralizing the base, we'll be lucky to hold on to the House.

Posted by: dolphin-safe soothsayer at February 19, 2011 11:14 AM (uFokq)

I live in the district next to Cantor's and the Tea Party folk are and have been PO'd at him.  He's an opportunist who's been gorging off taxpayers for all but a couple years after he graduated law school.  Our local talk guy practically has a dossier on him.  The radio guy is fair, but Cantor's people said he wouldn't come on a program that "called him names."

Cantor had an indy (Tea Party) opponent this year who had no $$ support.  The indy guy was interviewed on local radio two weeks before the Nov. elections and people called in asking, "Where has this guy been?  I didn't know anything about him until I just heard him on your show."

Hearing about constituent discontent and seeing a TPM candidate, Cantor started filling his war chest for '12 the day after the election.  He'll have all the money in the world; our indy friend, not so much.  And Robert Hurt, the R who won Tom Periello's old seat?  He's one of Eric's best buds.

jam2@83  As for Noem, I knew she was bad news when she was named to a  prestigious house panel immediately.  She's all-in with the establishment boys.  Cavuto so much as said that when he interviewed her, and she said she's heard it, but that voters will have to watch her actions.

Two asides:  LTC West voted no, too, as did the other blank Young Gun, Kevin McCarthy.

237 236 See what the "serious" people have brought us.

Did I ever say I disagreed with Jordan and Blackburn? No. I agreed with them and their amendment, and I even called them to tell them so. What I was merely pointing-out is the history behind this, what really happened on the floor and behind the scenes. Want proof, Dan?

Internecine war over amendment**

238 237 Two asides:  LTC West voted no, too, as did the other blank Young Gun, Kevin McCarthy.   Which means Ryan is the only "Young Gun" to have voted consistently on spending and he is also by far the boldest. He's now even saying he doesn't care if they lose seats over entitlement reform. Here's a WSJ piece and another at Politico. Some great live interviews lately, too. 

239 "Kudlow is a pollyannish clown."

Oh, shit.

240 John Hinderaker at Powerline said that whether it is 61 billion or 100 billion depends on what you use as a base line. He also said they might as well have cut more.

Ed Morrisey at Hot Air had a different take and called it a decent but not great start. He also said they may have made the cuts at this level to get to the Senate quicker and onto the government shutdown or whatever.

I don't know, it does not seem like enough to me..I just wonder if when they do the next budget and consider entitlements if they will have larger cuts..this budget is just for 6 months and defense and entitlements were off the table.

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241 John Hinderaker at Powerline said that whether it is 61 billion or 100 billion depends on what you use as a base line. He also said they might as well have cut more. [...]

Exactly. you can use the FY '10 enacted, the FY '11 request, or the FY '11 spent. The WSJ is using enacted, the Rs are using requested. Requested means they saved close to $170B.

242 Pissing in the Ocean Part V. At my link.

243 But I thought the Republicans PROMISED to vut $100B from the budget. You mean they LIED??? Just to get ELECTED???

244 The republicans do not have the Senate or the President. That means it si still pretty hard to just shove through what you want. I appreciate the efforts.