September 12, 2011
— andy And by "Patriots", I mean the New England Patriots that are playing the Dolphins right now, but I guess we can switch to the debate at 8:00 Eastern. Man, it really takes a special kind of genius to schedule a GOP presidential debate head-to-head with the Monday Night Football season-opener.
Oh, right. The Stupid Party. How could I forget?
Anyhow, this one's being somewhat inaccurately billed as the CNN/Tea Party debate. No problem with the CNN part, but Tea Party Express™®© != "tea party". Hopefully there will be enough real grassroots tea partiers involved to rescue it from the capital "T" capital "P" set.
Tonight's moderator will be Celebrity Jeopardy champion Wolf Blitzer, and participants are Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum. I'll take "Potent Potables" for $1,000 please, Alex.
Livestream here - click "CNN Tea Party Debate" to upper right.
Liveblog thingy below the fold.
Standard reminder: Your comments do not automatically display. So don't ask "Why aren't my comments displaying?" They don't display.
They're not posted comments a la chat room. Instead they go to queue, which the producers (cobloggers) read, and we post them, by hand, if we think they make a good point.
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I'm feeling kind of stupid, being first on a stupid thread
Posted by: sophistahick at September 12, 2011 03:53 PM (dnbpw)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 03:53 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 03:53 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: sophistahick at September 12, 2011 03:55 PM (dnbpw)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 03:55 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Doofus at September 12, 2011 03:55 PM (3L/Kn)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 03:55 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 12, 2011 03:57 PM (AZGON)
Having the LSM host these things is getting tiresome.
Posted by: willy at September 12, 2011 03:58 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: JDW at September 12, 2011 03:58 PM (+sjlp)
Time to check out the other blogs
Posted by: beedubya at September 12, 2011 03:58 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 07:55 PM (TUax9)
You say that as though it's a bad thing...
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 03:58 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Chris R, NY-9 resident at September 12, 2011 03:58 PM (hGTfi)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 04:00 PM (fyOgS)
I had no interest in the debate until I heard "Dana Loesch" and "whore" and thought - to hell with Monday Night Football!
But, seriously, anyone have an online stream of the game - some super secret Indian site?
Posted by: JDW at September 12, 2011 04:01 PM (+sjlp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:01 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 07:55 PM (TUax9)
And?
Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2011 04:02 PM (bxrX8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:03 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Retread at September 12, 2011 04:03 PM (BO5ap)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 08:00 PM (fyOgS)
That's okay, we knew you'd be along before too long.
Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2011 04:03 PM (bxrX8)
You say that as though it's a bad thing...
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 07:58 PM (oYb6f)
I prefer more reserved clothing decisions. Different strokes for different folks! Errr
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 04:03 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 04:04 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:04 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:03 PM (oYb6f)
Yeah letting the voters decide stuff is so outdated.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2011 04:04 PM (z1N6a)
You say that as though it's a bad thing...
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 07:58 PM (oYb6f)
I prefer more reserved clothing decisions. Different strokes for different folks! Errr
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 08:03 PM (TUax9)
You mean she's stroking herself? On CNN??
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:04 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Deety feels the need to wash tiny fists in anti-bacterial soap...Again at September 12, 2011 04:05 PM (zybIv)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 04:05 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Chris R, NY-9 resident at September 12, 2011 04:05 PM (hGTfi)
Posted by: Chris R, NY-9 resident at September 12, 2011 04:06 PM (hGTfi)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 04:07 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: longnecks at September 12, 2011 04:07 PM (3BtXI)
guess it is a sporting event, they picked someone who can't sing to sing the Star Spangled Banner and wait, let's see if she messes up the words...
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:07 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 04:08 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 12, 2011 04:08 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 04:08 PM (J4Pnx)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 04:08 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 04:08 PM (WrIbP)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:09 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: willy at September 12, 2011 04:09 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 08:08 PM (WrIbP)
Rosie O'Donnell turned them down...
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:10 PM (oYb6f)
oh thank God michelle got rid of the big hair and the too much makeup
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:11 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:11 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:11 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 04:12 PM (J4Pnx)
Posted by: Chris R, NY-9 resident at September 12, 2011 08:12 PM (hGTfi)
Why is Santorum there?
Posted by: Just Ssay No To Grand Bargains at September 12, 2011 04:13 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:13 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 04:13 PM (J4Pnx)
65 I must admit that Romney is one hell of a piece of animotronics! The folks at Disney must be very proud.
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His walk still resembles the Beavis & Butthead rolling stroll...... They need to work on that.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 04:13 PM (WrIbP)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:14 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 04:14 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 04:15 PM (J4Pnx)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:14 PM (oYb6f)
They are full. Of illegals.
Posted by: Just Ssay No To Grand Bargains at September 12, 2011 04:15 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:15 PM (oYb6f)
they should have put a bow tie on that shirt and a vest on perry....
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:15 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:14 PM (oYb6f)
Or get a suit that, you know....fits
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:15 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 12, 2011 04:15 PM (aD5Kx)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 08:15 PM (AxHOT)
You msut be looking at Perry...
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:16 PM (oYb6f)
COD is in the third row right. She looks good.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at September 12, 2011 08:15 PM (Lt/Za)
Get a peek up her skirt?
Posted by: Just Ssay No To Grand Bargains at September 12, 2011 04:16 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 12, 2011 04:16 PM (azHfB)
Posted by: willy at September 12, 2011 04:16 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:17 PM (oYb6f)
Ok so somebody was screaning the live blog comments, and mine were second fiddle to some of the giberish that I saw rolling by?
Really!
I want a challange flag.
Posted by: Paladin at September 12, 2011 04:17 PM (6+A8I)
Posted by: nora at September 12, 2011 04:17 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 04:17 PM (sJTmU)
You msut be looking at Perry...
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:16 PM (oYb6f)
She said "I have feet in the private sector, and a foot in the public sector"
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:17 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at September 12, 2011 08:17 PM (Lt/Za)
So does Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. On her head.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:17 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:18 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Just Ssay No To Grand Bargains at September 12, 2011 04:18 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:19 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 08:14 PM (zK4pP)
Heh, me too.
Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2011 04:19 PM (bxrX8)
He's evading VERY carefully.
You'll note, he's playing down the scary parts very much, like he was walking it back.
But he will not say he wants Social Security to exist. He says he wants people to have a "retirement program that works".
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 04:19 PM (sDP2b)
is romney a republican?
Posted by: matt foley at September 12, 2011 08:19 PM (bY+Nu)
He's more wedded to Social Security than Bubba EVER was to Shrillary.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:20 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: willy at September 12, 2011 04:20 PM (Ja9VH)
FUCK YEAH RONPAUL!
Now let's see them pile on Romney. Cain too! Hehehehe. Gingrich? Can I get a hell yeah?
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 04:20 PM (sDP2b)
Posted by: Paultard at September 12, 2011 04:20 PM (WCm02)
it's broke, we spend all the money and let's do something
would like to see a transition. If people wouldn't have spent the money people would be ok, i would like to let all the young people get out of social security and go out on their own.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:21 PM (k1rwm)
Cain had a good line... "I don't care WHAT you call it... it's broke."
Wish Perry had said that.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:21 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Bill at September 12, 2011 04:21 PM (P5w6T)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 04:21 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: willy at September 12, 2011 04:21 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 04:22 PM (fyOgS)
it's silk but it must have been on super super sale at overstock
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:22 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:22 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 12, 2011 04:22 PM (azHfB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:23 PM (oYb6f)
HUNTSMAN?! Hehehe! He hates Romney eh? Best he would do for the wonderbread position is bash them both equally, and Gingrich says: 'fuck you, SCOAMF, next question'.
Perry wins this matchup if he stands on it and doesn't back down.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 04:23 PM (sDP2b)
Posted by: rabidfox at September 12, 2011 04:23 PM (nt41C)
My original guy (Cain) just gave Perry an enormous boost on SS (pointing out the Galveston situation).
It works. My wife is on one of those private type plans.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 12, 2011 04:24 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:25 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 04:25 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 04:25 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 04:25 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 04:26 PM (jucos)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 04:27 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 04:27 PM (WCm02)
Too bad Newt is so unstable. Great debater.
BTW, balancing the budget by "eliminating fraud and waste" is utter BS. As conservatives, we all know that fraud & waste go with government like scratch and itch.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:27 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 04:27 PM (sDP2b)
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 08:25 PM (h+qn
He's a freaking idea machine. Some are batshit crazy, but some are genius. Too bad he's so unlikable
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:28 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: willy at September 12, 2011 04:28 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 04:28 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 04:29 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 04:29 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 08:28 PM (AxHOT)
Newtcare consists of serving divorce papers in the cancer ward.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:29 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 04:30 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:30 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 12, 2011 04:30 PM (baL2B)
Newtcare consists of serving divorce papers in the cancer ward.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:29 PM (oYb6f)
Yeah, that'll pretty much turn off a certain voter - the non-sociopath
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:30 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 12, 2011 04:31 PM (GmKdo)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 04:31 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: willy at September 12, 2011 04:31 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:23 PM (oYb6f)
Now that's Pulitzer worthy, right there.
Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2011 04:31 PM (bxrX8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:31 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 04:32 PM (EQ9v7)
Newtcare consists of serving divorce papers in the cancer ward.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:29 PM (oYb6f)
You stay classy Newt.
Posted by: Ron Burgandy at September 12, 2011 04:32 PM (jucos)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:23 PM (oYb6f)
Oh no..... thank you CC.. now I won't be able to sleep tonight
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:33 PM (AxHOT)
"CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:31 PM "
His children have repeatedly said that that myth being repeated is more painful than anyone can know. Grow up. You got called on for being a jerk.
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 04:34 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: stace at September 12, 2011 04:34 PM (lYlx9)
I really wish they'd cut the dead weight out of these debates (meaning, get rid of everybody but Perry and Romney, and also keep Gingrich around to bitch out the moderators).
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 04:35 PM (KxADM)
Paraphrase:
Rick F'in Perry, yeah blitzer, i answered your question at the start. This isn't Jeapardy dumb ass.
Posted by: Jimmah at September 12, 2011 04:35 PM (F13r2)
Since when did CNN become buddies with the Tea Party?.... I don't watch them at all, so I don't know when this happened.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 04:35 PM (WrIbP)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 04:36 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 04:36 PM (EQ9v7)
they all look like a pack spineless fartknockers, freakin' Wolf Biltzer has them all back into the Big Government corner.
Bachmann and Paul were the only ones to not get trapped there, bunch of freakin' losers!!!!
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 04:37 PM (m6OUa)
His children have repeatedly said that that myth being repeated is more painful than anyone can know. Grow up. You got called on for being a jerk.
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 08:34 PM (VxqUc)
Nora, YOU are a self-righteous prig. It was widely reported for years. I never heard his children say that, it had nothing to do with being a jerk OR not being grown up.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:37 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 12, 2011 04:37 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: John Huntsman at September 12, 2011 04:37 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: willy at September 12, 2011 04:38 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:38 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 04:39 PM (jucos)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 12, 2011 04:39 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 04:39 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 04:40 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 12, 2011 04:40 PM (btzPD)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:41 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:41 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 08:40 PM (jucos)
That's because his real first name is Willard
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:42 PM (AxHOT)
"CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:37 PM "
Really, someone who follows politics doesn't know it? His exwife freaking came out and debunked in 2009.
She was sick and he did visit her in the hospital with his children while they were going through the divorce.
His children debunked it when he got married to Callista. Several times.
If you are going to slime someone do it with accurate information. Grow up and don't fling pooh with a character assination that is so wrong and a liberal talking point.
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 04:42 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 04:42 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 04:42 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:43 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:43 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:43 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:43 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 12, 2011 04:44 PM (azHfB)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:44 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 04:45 PM (EQ9v7)
Mitt is the cheap-shot dickhead in the office that is only there after insulting everyone with accomplishments because his uncle promised his sister that he'd make sure the dickhead wouldn't be homeless as long as he was alive
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 04:45 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:46 PM (AxHOT)
@237: Really Nora, some of us DO have a life outside of political blogs. Newt has been a marginal figure in politics for years and no, I don't exactly follow him.
Can't you just accept that I didn't know, having heard for years the story but not of the retraction? Chill OUT, lady. You just CANNOT let go of the self-righteousness, CAN YOU?
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:46 PM (oYb6f)
the only one out there that finally hit the right note on S.S. was Bachmann, after Blitzer had rounded the whole herd up, she finally hit on the right arguement, but it was too late because they changed topics right after.
but still the only person who could bring themselves to say the word "cut" out loud was RP.
so i guess only crazy nutjobs can speak truth... because Blitzer may not like it otherwise.
God Save Us All
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 04:46 PM (m6OUa)
Rick Perry cracks me up. Y'all, in addition to killing a coyote while jogging, in college he rigged up firecrackers to toilets in his dorm to surprise frat boys. I think I sorta love him.
Yay: now picking on trial lawyers!
I really think Ron Paul should wear a cardigan with leather elbow patches, like an insane Mr. Rogers.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 12, 2011 04:46 PM (baL2B)
Somebody better get grandpa checked out. Methinks his brain is eating itself.
This is the Republican debate. Paul is no Republican.
Bachmann could've just hit it out of the park with wolfie repeating the 'bush tax cuts raised the debt!' NONSENSE, and she bunted. Wolfie Blitzer didn't ask about Obama's stimulus. You OK Michelle? How about a big, long, hotdog on a stick. With cameras
Posted by: Billy Barty at September 12, 2011 04:46 PM (LqEzN)
--- ron paul on perry....tonight's punching bag?
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:47 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 08:42 PM (sJTmU)
Bacon and extra cheese please.
WAIT! Make that double bacon.
Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2011 04:47 PM (bxrX8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:47 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 04:48 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:49 PM (k1rwm)
"CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:46 PM "
Now I remember why I normally don't read your posts.
Seriously, this has been around for years. I've mentioned here before that it was a myth.
It is a well known MYTH.
You are being a jerk. Fine, you think I'm being self-righteous. I'd rather be self-righteous then spew liberal made-up bullshit and be an effing jerk
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 04:49 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:49 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Heartlandvoter at September 12, 2011 04:49 PM (AkFx3)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 04:49 PM (EQ9v7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 04:50 PM (i6RpT)
You are being a jerk. Fine, you think I'm being self-righteous. I'd rather be self-righteous then spew liberal made-up bullshit and be an effing jerk
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 08:49 PM (VxqUc)
Actually, I'm too civilized to spell out exactly what I think you are.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:50 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 12, 2011 04:51 PM (azHfB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:51 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 04:52 PM (Z71Vg)
I really just want to know how Huntsman gets so tanned tan.
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 04:52 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 04:52 PM (jucos)
Cain is a good man. Needs to be on President Perry's cabinet.
Oh, good, Huntsman can polish himself. "I'm the only person on this stage." Rick and Mitt want to beat him into a pulp during commercial break.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 12, 2011 04:52 PM (baL2B)
this is basically a repeat of the last debate, we have to stop this nonsense of allowing liberals to moderate our debates, they purposefully steer it in directions the base doesn't want and it allows liberals to yet again control the conversation and it's getting ridiculous
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 04:52 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Heartlandvoter at September 12, 2011 04:53 PM (AkFx3)
"Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 "
Please don't support liberal talking points. Seriously, claiming someone served a person in the hospital divorce papers is demented and to keep repeating is insanely rude and something kozkidz due.
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 04:54 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 12, 2011 04:54 PM (azHfB)
Posted by: Ronny Pauly at September 12, 2011 04:54 PM (7cXE7)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:54 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 04:54 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:54 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:55 PM (oYb6f)
Oh, good, Huntsman can polish himself.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 12, 2011 08:52 PM (baL2B)
Didn't think Mormons were allowed to do that
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 04:55 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 04:56 PM (EQ9v7)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 04:56 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 04:56 PM (sJTmU)
Please don't support liberal talking points. Seriously, claiming someone served a person in the hospital divorce papers is demented and to keep repeating is insanely rude and something kozkidz due.
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 08:54 PM (VxqUc)
You seem to be the only one mentioning it.
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 04:56 PM (jucos)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 04:56 PM (oYb6f)
Please don't support liberal talking points. Seriously, claiming someone served a person in the hospital divorce papers is demented and to keep repeating is insanely rude and something kozkidz due.
From what I read you made your point, Czech answered. Just drop it.
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 04:57 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 04:57 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 12, 2011 04:57 PM (aD5Kx)
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 04:58 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 04:58 PM (sJTmU)
Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 08:56 PM
Debunked many times. I've posted several myself.
It's a really a shame that the things that disqualify Newt, sitting with Nancy for starters, start to get a pass when people spread vicious lies. Yeah, let's give the gorebull warming guy Newt some sympathy votes when people find out other conservatives are effing jerks about his divorce.
Posted by: Nora at September 12, 2011 04:58 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 08:54 PM (k1rwm)
Wolf is doing his job...
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 04:59 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 04:59 PM (EQ9v7)
michelle bachman on the fed
and perry again stirring the pot on the fed being used as a political tool and calling it treasonous...
i swear perry posts here...
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 04:59 PM (k1rwm)
-Michele Bachmann
That turned me on for some reason
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 05:00 PM (AxHOT)
-Michele Bachmann
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at September 12, 2011 08:58 PM (Lt/Za)
She seems to know of which she speaks.
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 05:00 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 05:00 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Ronny Pauly at September 12, 2011 05:01 PM (7cXE7)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 05:01 PM (PCEZn)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:01 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:01 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Ronny Pauly at September 12, 2011 05:02 PM (7cXE7)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 05:02 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:02 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 09:01 PM (k1rwm)
THIS. It's about time we hear from people like this!
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 05:02 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 12, 2011 05:02 PM (sJTmU)
WOAH! Perry even brought up the "almost treasonous" thing... unapologetically!
I HEART PERRY!!
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 08:59 PM (oYb6f)
they'll pound that nail down next debate ... live from NPR studios
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 05:03 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 09:01 PM (PCEZn)
Nora = Troll.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:03 PM (oYb6f)
Perry deflects Bachmann, he looks even stronger.
She kinda looks like she know's she's cooked. I still like her, but she can't beat Perry unless Perry beats himself.
You can't really run to the right of Perry, not because your not conservative enough, not because he has or hasn't been, but because rhetorically the guy is pushing the overton window, and he's leading on the issues, creating the controversies they're all discussing. And winning.
And the whole damn field has isolated Romney, on a few issues.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 05:04 PM (sDP2b)
they'll pound that nail down next debate ... live from NPR studios
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 09:03 PM (m6OUa)
I'm shocked the GOP hasn't agreed to a debate hosted by NOW.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:04 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 05:04 PM (EQ9v7)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 05:04 PM (jucos)
Newt is the Godfather!
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at September 12, 2011 09:03 PM (Lt/Za)
You gotta give him his due!
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:05 PM (oYb6f)
I support a Dolphin player making another pick that leads to a score.
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 12, 2011 05:05 PM (Zgfnd)
Posted by: poljunkie at September 12, 2011 05:05 PM (XuiJf)
No need to use legends, the gentleman subcontracted on two wives and renounced protestantism to embrace catholicism.
I am not judging any of those choices, but it does speak to a certain flexibility in his moral, and clerical internal monologue.
Further pursuing impeachment against Clinton, whom all here know I despise, whilst happily debauching a staffer his own 23 years his junior is hypocritical in the extreme. It saddens me to write that because as a history buff and a conservative I consider him to be a genius in his scholarship and political theory. The ethics charge they finally got him on is akin to handing out tickets at the Indy 500 especially in light of later violations by members that were hardly rebuked.
I'll back newt if he gets the nod, perhaps I'll even canvas for him if Perry implodes and Romney maintains Barack Romney tactics but I will not canvas for him first because of those personal failings he self-admittedly engaged in.
regards,
sven
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:05 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 12, 2011 05:05 PM (azHfB)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 09:04 PM (EQ9v7)
It's not that great. Trust me.
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 05:06 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Heartlandvoter at September 12, 2011 05:06 PM (AkFx3)
A national sales tax would be OK... IF the income tax was eliminated.
Much more likely would be Romeny lowering the income tax, and introducing a sales tax. Within 10 years, the income tax would go back up as high as it ever was, and the NYT would be running editorials calling for the sales tax to be raised.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:06 PM (oYb6f)
because Progressive theft is in his DNA.....
as dear reader says "we've all got to get skin in the game" God himself only needs 10% the feds hijack 10-75% depending on whether you count use fees and consumption taxes.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:06 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 05:06 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 05:07 PM (i6RpT)
i wish he didn't have so many negatives cause it would be really tough for BO to get away with BS in a debate with him.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:07 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Retread at September 12, 2011 05:07 PM (BO5ap)
exactly....the problem with the nation is not a lack of revenue it is spending....coupled with horrid interference vis a vis unlegislated regulations.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:07 PM (AEIYh)
yup....I'm telling you our overriding mission as a party is to deprogram the 20 somethings.....
we have to show them where they are getting a raw deal and sell freedom to them.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:08 PM (AEIYh)
Let it go Michele, he said he was wrong.
Posted by: Retread at September 12, 2011 05:09 PM (BO5ap)
CNN pimps these debates.
This isn't the first one they've done.
This is not the first one. Say whatever you want about the whole fucking rest of the network, but they put on great debates, better than Fox and way way better than MSNBC.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 05:09 PM (sDP2b)
nope....admitting error, expressing contrition is a mark of strength and he has the character to admit past errors not attempt to ignore them.
I believe in his character.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:09 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 05:09 PM (PCEZn)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 05:10 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 05:11 PM (jucos)
Bachmann is demeaning herself with this innoculation BS... the mandate HAD an opt-out. Beyond that, nothing can be said about the "danger" of that vaccine that could not be said about polio or smallpox or any other vaccine.
Barbara is clearly hoping this is her "knockout" blow... but SHAME ON HER to suggest Perry supported the vaccine for money. But I guess political desperation does that to people.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:11 PM (oYb6f)
This is one of my grievances against Perry though, but I have to admit he's standing up well here.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:11 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: rabidfox at September 12, 2011 05:11 PM (nt41C)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 05:11 PM (fyOgS)
she's a non-entity she does not have the charisma to shift the argument like Mitt does....
I will be far happier when she and Ron are off the stage.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:12 PM (AEIYh)
Now the other loser - Santorum - is piling on.
It's sad to watch loser Republicans talk like Democrats for political gain.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:12 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 05:12 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 05:12 PM (EQ9v7)
These things are fricken sharp. They're contrived.
It's too good. But it is good TV and a good debate, and an issue-rich one. I don't know if they whore out to the candidates more in terms of tipping them to the questions or what, but it makes for a really sharp performance.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 05:12 PM (sDP2b)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:12 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 12, 2011 05:13 PM (Zgfnd)
A swing and a miss, she beat herself up, there was an opt-out and she pretends there wasn't.
Too bad, I wanted to like her.
Posted by: Retread at September 12, 2011 05:13 PM (BO5ap)
she divorced him and the visit was to let her see their kids....
in newt's defense he married an older woman far too young and screwed up....the issue is not his leaving the issue is his penchant for screwing around when under stress.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:13 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 05:14 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 05:14 PM (PCEZn)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:14 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 09:11 PM (TCyyS)
I think it's reasonable to feel that his program was a mistake, but hardly a horrific disaster and morally indefensible, like Bachmann tried to make out.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:15 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:15 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 05:15 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Heartlandvoter at September 12, 2011 05:15 PM (AkFx3)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 05:15 PM (UZuc4)
hey you were nailing marilyn Monroe with a complicitly silent press....
trust me I applaud you, but our man does not get that deference.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:15 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 05:16 PM (EQ9v7)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:16 PM (k1rwm)
It's great for Romney to say he'll grant waivers for Obamacare... but what about repealing it?
Why does the word Repeal NEVER pass his slick lips?
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:16 PM (oYb6f)
Coolczech, valid or not as a criticism of Perry they don't sound like democrats.
Do you want Obama and Obamacare telling you what medical procedures you want to get?
Well then, not Rick Perry either. Not even if he's right. And not even if that didn't happen. Perry isn't saying it didn't happen, he just says he was right but did it wrong. He may be right on history, but he's wrong on the position that he's actually arguing.
I think Bachmann and Santorum and Paul have the better of him on this exchange. He's still got a few laps on the lot of them.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 05:17 PM (sDP2b)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 05:17 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 09:11 PM (fyOgS)
Not only did he divorce her on her deathbed, he also copped her pain pills and sold them to Abe Lincoln to raise money to pay an outrageous bill at Tiffany's. True fact.
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 09:15 PM (UZuc4)
Oh come on. It was Colonel Mustard, in the den, with a candlestick. I've been saying this for years. You can look it up!
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 12, 2011 05:17 PM (WUWb9)
How many states do you live in ? Other than delusion, denial and insanity, I mean?
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 12, 2011 05:18 PM (BzMNX)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:18 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:19 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 05:19 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 05:20 PM (UZuc4)
ah danke....
and "donkey" in its case actually...
so the day long crying jag is over then?
Ja gut
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:20 PM (AEIYh)
*SIGH*. I hope SOMEONE hits this issue. Paul isn't doing it.
I'll tell you who pays - he does. On a plan, for years, but small payments, whatever he can afford. Or else he declares bankrupcy and the hospital pays, but also pays a cost.
But care is not denied. Care is never denied. Garnish his wage. Put the collection agency on him. Put him on a payment plan. They're usually pretty reasonable. You won't die without insurance.... unless you're probably going to die anyway with it. I'm sure there's a few sob stories, but it isn't the reality.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 05:20 PM (sDP2b)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 05:20 PM (EQ9v7)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:20 PM (TCyyS)
OK ... they keep hitting Perry for the HPV vaccine. I don't love the idea either, but we force any child going to public schools get multiple vaccinations already. What's one more? I mean, am I the only one who sees the argument as bizarre?
At least Santorum mentioned all the vaccines kids have to get but mocked this vaccine as though it were unneeded. But considering that the modern definition of virgin is "ugly third grader" (thank you, Joan Rivers) it isn't a crazy idea to get girls vaccinated.
I don't know. I think I am just getting annoyed by the shrill tone and the lack of actual answers coming from these guys half the time. Oh ... and I wish these guys would accept that "yes" or "no" are good answers.
Posted by: Alisa at September 12, 2011 05:21 PM (//5n8)
Coolczech, valid or not as a criticism of Perry they don't sound like democrats.
Do you want Obama and Obamacare telling you what medical procedures you want to get?
Well then, not Rick Perry either. Not even if he's right. And not even if that didn't happen. Perry isn't saying it didn't happen, he just says he was right but did it wrong. He may be right on history, but he's wrong on the position that he's actually arguing.
I think Bachmann and Santorum and Paul have the better of him on this exchange. He's still got a few laps on the lot of them.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 09:17 PM (sDP2b)
that's true... and thank you for saying it.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 05:21 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:21 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:22 PM (TCyyS)
Bachman is starting to sound a bit unhinged. That accent is a bit much too.
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 05:22 PM (jucos)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 05:22 PM (i6RpT)
they are undermining the GOP in the future on the social security issues, and frankly playing Fwance and just trying to knowck down whoever is on top of the power hill is beneath them.
The Feds WILL be madating procedure in all reality it is just the anaconda method getting there....
thank Mitt he showed the way
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:22 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 05:23 PM (sDP2b)
But then he wanders off in to la la land. He doesn't know when enough is enough.
Posted by: Retread at September 12, 2011 05:23 PM (BO5ap)
Posted by: dogfish at September 12, 2011 05:23 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 05:23 PM (KxADM)
@445: OK ... they keep hitting Perry for the HPV vaccine. I don't love the idea either, but we force any child going to public schools get multiple vaccinations already. What's one more? I mean, am I the only one who sees the argument as bizarre?
No, I think you are right. I just don't see what the big deal is. Innoculation of school children has gone on in this country for decades. Why is THIS particular vaccine so terribly differrent? Beats me. Surely the GOP is not becoming the anit-vaccine party?
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:24 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 05:24 PM (EQ9v7)
Obamacare is a monstrosity because it undermines the actuarial risk pools....
Mittcare raised costs in Mass....couldn't have happened to a nicer state.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:24 PM (AEIYh)
Santorum used the correct logic, the line is clear. we vacinate for easily communicable diseaes, because just being near can make you sick, sexual diseases take a bit more effort to catch and they are the result of indivivual behavior and choice, there for the government has no business being invovled.
suck it Statists
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 05:25 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:25 PM (TCyyS)
This vaccine isn't for a communicable disease. That is the difference.
Posted by: dogfish at September 12, 2011 05:26 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at September 12, 2011 05:26 PM (/7xxR)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 05:26 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: My Lucky Life In and Out of Show Business AudioBook at September 12, 2011 05:26 PM (3Qi/d)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 09:22 PM (TCyyS)
It's sexist, but true. A woman who uses the same cadence and intonation that a man uses to sound authoritative, sounds shrill. It's the timbre
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 05:26 PM (AxHOT)
agreed, essentially every time we have reduced the risk from sexual gymnastics to the young they have gotten more sexual....
they can do this well enough on their own no need to get the state to encourage them
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:26 PM (AEIYh)
460 My God, Bachmann, will you PLEASE retire the Fk'n cheerleader cadence to every answer!
I just had a mental image of Bachmann in a sexy cheerleader outfit...
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:26 PM (oYb6f)
look guys look up what's going on with merck and guardisil. this is a very huge issue among twenty somethings and women. It's not just any vaccine.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:26 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 12, 2011 05:27 PM (GmKdo)
Posted by: John Huntsman at September 12, 2011 05:27 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 05:27 PM (PCEZn)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:27 PM (TCyyS)
exactly....
if the democrats' dreams were so good and worked so well they'd quit trying to ram them down the throats of us all and use the little labs of democracy as the founders intended....
they're thugs and want all to bow on knee.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:27 PM (AEIYh)
No, I think you are right. I just don't see what the big deal is. Innoculation of school children has gone on in this country for decades. Why is THIS particular vaccine so terribly differrent? Beats me. Surely the GOP is not becoming the anit-vaccine party?
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 09:24 PM (oYb6f)
I think the only real difference is that the majority of the disease you are vaccinated against in schools are ones you could get pretty easily in school just from general contact with an infected individual. HPV is something you get through sexual contact, not a kid behind you sneezing. That's about it.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 05:28 PM (GULKT)
I'm looking forward to reading your pithy comments while I watch the Dolphins try to ruin the Patriots' season.
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 05:28 PM (5H6zj)
I may be wrong but I don't remember Sarah Palin sounding that shrill, certainly raises her voice, but I think her Alaskan accent probably mutes it.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:28 PM (TCyyS)
they are undermining the GOP in the future on the social security issues, and frankly playing Fwance and just trying to knowck down whoever is on top of the power hill is beneath them.
No they aren't.
Rick Perry is not the future on social security issues. Nor the GOP - they all are that. Rick Perry may be the right man to lead it right now, but he isn't it. If he has a stroke we go on without him.
They told Perry the truth, basically, it's wrong for government to claim that power and that is the same fundemental issue as what is wrong with Obamacare.
They both AGREED and helped Perry, and hurt Romney, on the actual social security issues you're worried about.
No one is perfect. This is a good strike, but it's not a killing blow. Perry is fine anyway.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 05:28 PM (sDP2b)
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 12, 2011 05:29 PM (GmKdo)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 12, 2011 05:29 PM (JM2AX)
heh....well "eleventy"
no seriously the whole point behind Obamacare is forcefeeding the insurance companies so much wealth they SHOULD be able to afford to run it but preventing them from valuating risk so they will not be able to....
when that happens Donk 2030-2056 will nationalize the whole mess....
the failure of Obamacare is by design
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:30 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:30 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:30 PM (k1rwm)
He will fight for smaller government and entitlement reform and win.
To gain bi-partisan cred he will put the 12 million illegals on the path to citizenship and keep the current border regime.
No doubt this is what will happen.
Posted by: dib at September 12, 2011 05:31 PM (aRwtY)
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 12, 2011 09:29 PM (GmKdo)
Ok, point taken, but it isn't transmitted involuntarily.
Posted by: dogfish at September 12, 2011 05:31 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 12, 2011 05:31 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 12, 2011 05:31 PM (3Zo6I)
consider what I said to zombie JFK upthread and my lament on the inequity of having to consider Newt damaged goods unfairly....
they are feeding the donks ammo IMHO..."even Mitt Romney disagreed with Perry's vision of privitization"....
my analysis anyway
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:31 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 12, 2011 05:31 PM (GmKdo)
Perry is strong on border enforecement. Those that think he's weak on illegal immigration should listen carefully to the other candidates: none of them will come out and say they favor mass deportation.
I think Perry gave probably as good a n answer regarding the tuition question as good as he could give. He pointed out that the kids had to be working to to get their citizenship.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:32 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 05:32 PM (EQ9v7)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:32 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 12, 2011 05:32 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 05:33 PM (NZMKc)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:33 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: willy at September 12, 2011 05:33 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: dogfish at September 12, 2011 05:33 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:33 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 05:33 PM (Z71Vg)
Perry is governor of a state that has mortar shells going off w/in 200 yards of his border at times in Juarez....
STFU about things you've never dealth with Yawka
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:33 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 05:34 PM (EQ9v7)
This vaccine isn't for a communicable disease. That is the difference.
Posted by: dogfish at September 12, 2011 09:26 PM (N2yhW)
I actually thought the vaccine was for a bacteria transmitted through sexual activity which could lead to cervical cancer.
He wanted it to be given to 12 year olds. Sex and 12 year olds tend to piss parents off.
Posted by: © Sponge at September 12, 2011 05:34 PM (p/9rC)
Posted by: Ronny Pauly at September 12, 2011 09:34 PM (7cXE7)
Epic crash and burn
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 05:34 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: dogfish at September 12, 2011 05:34 PM (N2yhW)
If Texas had a similar policy regarding Americans who don't live in Texas I might be less chagrined about it though.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:35 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:35 PM (k1rwm)
Phil Collins sang it best...
In season, out of season
What's the difference when you don't know the reason.
In one hand bread, the other a stone.
The Hunter enters the forest.
All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn
By the look of this one you've not got much to fear.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 12, 2011 05:35 PM (3Zo6I)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 05:35 PM (NZMKc)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 05:35 PM (EQ9v7)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 05:35 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 09:33 PM (Z71Vg)
The Little Orange Fuck never had a chance of winning to begin with.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:35 PM (oYb6f)
hey Dave that arty hurts bud
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:35 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 12, 2011 05:35 PM (JM2AX)
CoolCzech, i like you, we agree most of the time, but just saying something doesn't make it so, Perry has a Statist-streak a mile wide, he just does.
if it comes down to Perry, i'd go out and vote for him, and i can't say the same for others on that panel.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 05:36 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: . at September 12, 2011 05:36 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: dogfish at September 12, 2011 05:36 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 05:36 PM (NZMKc)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 05:36 PM (Z71Vg)
My wife is still angry at me for eviscerating her parents in a political discussion on Saturday night.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:36 PM (LH6ir)
Ding! ding! ding!
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 05:37 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 05:37 PM (EQ9v7)
Posted by: . at September 12, 2011 09:36 PM (GULKT)
it looks concerted
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:37 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 09:35 PM (TCyyS)
THIS. I just don't like lower tuition for illegals than for legitimate Americans.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:37 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 05:37 PM (NZMKc)
You can watch Barry debate himself on Barry the Pres vs Barry the Candidate next week chumley
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:37 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Juan Valdez at September 12, 2011 05:37 PM (GmKdo)
Shit, Brady isn't the 2nd coming of Christ.....
Posted by: © Sponge at September 12, 2011 05:37 PM (p/9rC)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 05:37 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 12, 2011 05:38 PM (Zgfnd)
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 05:38 PM (GULKT)
When is she going to take the hint and leave? It's not like anyone is being subtle.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:38 PM (LH6ir)
Perry survived....
I don't think Mitt gained anything...Newt was smart as always, and Santorum gained standing but not enough
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:38 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: runningrn who isn't bothering to watch the debate or read the comments at September 12, 2011 05:38 PM (0fUOB)
Posted by: . at September 12, 2011 09:36 PM (GULKT)
it looks concerted
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 09:37 PM (k1rwm)
Most of them will drop off from the race shortly. They've got nothing to lose by flinging crap at Perry. I just wish they would consider how much they are helping Obama with this crap.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:38 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:38 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 09:35 PM (TCyyS)
THIS. I just don't like lower tuition for illegals than for legitimate Americans.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 09:37 PM (oYb6f)
---
When I read up on the bill what I saw was a regional in-state tuition offer. It referred to specific (I assume) bordering counties of Oklahoma and IIRC Louisiana.
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 05:39 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Hammer at September 12, 2011 05:39 PM (hVGDL)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 12, 2011 05:39 PM (JM2AX)
THIS. I just don't like lower tuition for illegals than for legitimate Americans.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 09:37 PM (oYb6f)
I think it's a great idea.
Lure them all into a big lecture hall, back up a few dozen buses, and send their asses back to Mexico.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:40 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: runningrn who isn't bothering to watch the debate or read the comments at September 12, 2011 05:40 PM (0fUOB)
Newt is Dead On about Iraq, North Korea, and Turkey. He is doing a great job outlining the disastrous disengagement with the world shown by Obama.
BTW, Ron Paul is a Lunatic. Has anybody mentioned that yet?
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:40 PM (oYb6f)
it's a lot like a masochistic battered housewife....
she really does like being punched in the gut
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:40 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 12, 2011 05:40 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:41 PM (k1rwm)
Survived? As in: he just missed being gutted by Huntsman?
Say it ain't so!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:41 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 05:41 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Juan Valdez at September 12, 2011 05:41 PM (GmKdo)
Chad Henne has 33.6 fantasy points already. He's my back up QB.
I need a WR to replace Colston.
Posted by: Y-not of the Verdant Wolverines at September 12, 2011 05:41 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 05:42 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 05:42 PM (eOXTH)
exactly....Rick needs to either go full tard or explain that there is no moral defense for granting illegals perks and making ciotizens pay more...
this pander bear shit just pisses every American not in love with illegal immigration off....
he is in effect worse than barry we all know WHY Barry wants them in
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:42 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Ronny Pauly at September 12, 2011 05:42 PM (7cXE7)
BTW, Ron Paul is a Lunatic. Has anybody mentioned that yet?
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 09:40 PM (oYb6f)
Open your mind to racism, Nazism and creeping totalitarianism and you will find him a breath of fresh air.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:42 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Heartlandvoter at September 12, 2011 05:42 PM (AkFx3)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:42 PM (TCyyS)
When I read up on the bill what I saw was a regional in-state tuition offer. It referred to specific (I assume) bordering counties of Oklahoma and IIRC Louisiana.
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 09:39 PM (5H6zj)
Is it true that it also applied to Mexican kids living in Mexico near the Texas border? Not crazy about that, either, but at least it would mean that the lower tuition would not be an incentive for illegal immigration.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:43 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 05:43 PM (Z71Vg)
the immigration shit just happened...
no Perry needs to make up his mind if he wants to be US president or President of the founding of the North American Union....
I'll vote for one not the other
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:43 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 12, 2011 05:43 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 05:44 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 05:44 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: Heartlandvoter at September 12, 2011 09:42 PM (AkFx3)
Exactly.
I wish they would have the dignity and good sense to stop providing Democrats with their talking points.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:44 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 05:44 PM (fyOgS)
except Sancho Panza doesn't really have to prove he has lived here 3 years mi amigo....
<<<<<< I went through that w/UTEP
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:45 PM (AEIYh)
I'll bet you a home-cooked meal that she it has never seen the inside of an Ivy League lecture hall.
Oh, wait. You live in Arizona. You folks eat armadillos, canned beans and tortillas. Never mind.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:45 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: fava beans and a nice chianti at September 12, 2011 05:45 PM (r1b5V)
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 05:45 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: Ronny Pauly at September 12, 2011 05:45 PM (7cXE7)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:46 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: fava beans and a nice chianti at September 12, 2011 05:46 PM (r1b5V)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:46 PM (oYb6f)
I dunno I came into this evening a lot more forgiving to Perry than I am after his immigration spiel....
we need to cut off the cookie jar and not treat poor illegals better than poor legal migrants and citizens....
I am going to reflect on this.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:46 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 05:46 PM (NZMKc)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 05:47 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Heartlandvoter at September 12, 2011 05:47 PM (AkFx3)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 05:47 PM (UZuc4)
That is one of my reservations. I was hoping that he would change his tune.
Of course he can't be worse than Obama, so there is that...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:47 PM (LH6ir)
Well, not Huntsman...
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:47 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: willy at September 12, 2011 09:45 PM (Ja9VH)
If he's pushing for illegals to get cheaper tuition than me, yes...that's a concern. He's also mentioned that we can't reform immigration laws if we don't seal the boarders, so there is that.
Posted by: © Sponge at September 12, 2011 05:47 PM (p/9rC)
Posted by: sTevo at September 12, 2011 09:44 PM (VMcEw)
Not like that's a shock. He was toast before even entering the race. Only idiots (like 20 year old New Yorkers) think he's got a shot and is a serious candidate
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 05:47 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 05:48 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:48 PM (oYb6f)
hush now ma'am our betters'll beat us some more....
??tugs forelock towards Curiously Bi-Polar
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:48 PM (AEIYh)
Honestly, CC, I don't remember. I looked into it several weeks (months?) ago when Perry's name was coming up and satisfied myself that, although he is not great on illegals, he's not an open borders amnesty guy either. What I read painted it as a regional thing. It's also useful to bear in mind that it's currently accounting for (again, based on my faulty memory from some web serarching, so grain of salt) less than 0.5% of the students in Texas universities.
I have a hard time taking Mitt seriously on this issue given how willing he is to pander for votes, ethanol being the most glaring recent example.
Really, if he is going to go full throttle against Perry on SS characterizing his views as extremist, I'm going to have a hard time voting for Romney under any circumstances.
Posted by: Y-not of the Verdant Wolverines at September 12, 2011 05:48 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 09:46 PM (LH6ir)
Shhhh: because we don't really like you
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 05:49 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 12, 2011 05:49 PM (JM2AX)
@543
Actually, Jesus just called into a Boston talk show to say - "you know, Tom reminds me of me when I was playing Quarterback for the Saskatchewan Roughriders in the CFL. I love the kid!"
Posted by: JDW at September 12, 2011 05:49 PM (+sjlp)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 05:49 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 12, 2011 05:49 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 09:47 PM (TCyyS)
I really hope those jugs look less wrinkly than Perry's hair-supporting face...
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:49 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Y-not of the Verdant Wolverines at September 12, 2011 05:49 PM (5H6zj)
I think it's key to the whole issue.
"Fundamental", as Herman Cain would put it.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 12, 2011 05:49 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:50 PM (TCyyS)
the only problem is that if Mitt gets it and we sit out Barry gets the chainsaw....
and they'll take the house and senate...
no I'll vote for him but I won't aid him beyond that
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:50 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:50 PM (oYb6f)
Okay, I am all for a fence from San Diego to Brownsville, whatever else it takes to stop the influx, AND I am against this Dream Act, but I do have to point out some of the kids that are getting the benefit of it were brought here as youngsters illegally...I mean, I used to work with a guy who had no idea he was illegal til he went to apply for his Social Security card when he was trying to get his first job.
Again, I am totally opposed to it, but if you were three months ( or three years or even 13 years) old when you were here illegally, it's not your fault.
Posted by: MissTammy at September 12, 2011 05:50 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: © Sponge at September 12, 2011 05:50 PM (p/9rC)
I am usually too much of a smart-ass (just ask my wife). You do know that it was all gentle fun?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:50 PM (LH6ir)
625
What would they add to the White House if they moved in?
Firstly, ask the British to return the Churchill bust and place in in the Oval Office.
THIS.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:51 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 05:52 PM (m6OUa)
the problem is that although the rule "you have to have lived here for X" is law it is not enforced, and I'm sorry but a child brought here illegally is still an illegal....
Mexico doesn't allow the inverse
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:52 PM (AEIYh)
"If I'm President of the United States it will be there again."
In the very spirit in which I admire his sentiment, you really ought to ask the British, not demand they hand over the goods and make like Obama never happened. He shouldn't promise that.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 05:52 PM (sDP2b)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 05:52 PM (eOXTH)
Shhhh: because we don't really like you
Posted by: Ombudsman at September 12, 2011 09:49 PM (AxHOT)
Duh!
Besides that!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:52 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 05:52 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: JDW at September 12, 2011 05:53 PM (+sjlp)
I am sure GotBurro!?! would be a lot more thrilled with us just engaging in punitive strikes....
"yeah"
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:53 PM (AEIYh)
It's over! WHEW!!
I think everyone did pretty well, but Bachmann went too damned far with her Perry attack.
All Perry had to do was hold his own; he did. I admire him for unabashadly standing by his "nearly treasonous" remarks about Bernanke... no Romney-style flip-flopping here...
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:54 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: MissTammy at September 12, 2011 09:50 PM (SsG4J)
Fine. You pay for them. Otherwise...throw them all out. The law is the law.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 12, 2011 05:54 PM (LH6ir)
he's a barking moonbat who gets that ratings are his gig so he is not as biased openly as Chris Tingle...in some ways better in some ways worse
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:54 PM (AEIYh)
I missed Herman Cain's applause line at the end. What was his answer to the question - what would you bring to the white house?
Posted by: JDW at September 12, 2011 05:54 PM (+sjlp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:54 PM (oYb6f)
And I understand why Perry would have the same view, but it's a matter of fairness, a person despite their age who has no standing as a citizen should not derive a benefit that I, an American born tax paying citizen cannot get.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:55 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 05:55 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: JDW at September 12, 2011 09:53 PM (+sjlp)
At least he didn't constantly grunt.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 05:55 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:55 PM (TCyyS)
Now I don't think that's a great move, but since the Feds won't allow states to enforce the law (isn't AZ still getting sued?), there are not a lot of options.
So if Texas can afford it and Texans support it, that's life.
It doesn't suggest ot me that when Perry was in charge at the Federal level he would do the sorts of crap Obama is doing. I still think he'd enforce the border, stop prosecuting states that try to do the same, etc. He's not going to give the Dept of Education authority to make all states given in state tuition to illegals.
So I just don't see the big risk here.
Posted by: Y-not of the Verdant Wolverines at September 12, 2011 05:56 PM (5H6zj)
Not true, border security is a winner, it's the issue of what to do with those who are already here that is a lightning rod in politics.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:56 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: pep at September 12, 2011 05:56 PM (6TB1Z)
Heads & tails above that smarmy Wallace and FOX's format. FOX news sucks teh cock.
Posted by: Just Ssay No To Grand Bargains at September 12, 2011 05:57 PM (EL+OC)
Oh, Jesus H. Christ, Bachmann! We were ALL forced to get our polio shot, our smallpox innoculation, and God knows how many other shots.
Is this woman going to start blaming vaccines for autism?
She sure is demagoging this issue.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:57 PM (oYb6f)
He said he'd 'bring a sense of humor to the WH, American is too uptight'.
Posted by: Retread at September 12, 2011 05:57 PM (BO5ap)
Posted by: sTevo at September 12, 2011 05:58 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 09:55 PM (k1rwm)
Come back from a fun live blog with ace and the horde to the dumbest troll on the internet.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 05:58 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 05:58 PM (oYb6f)
we need Mitch like we need a hole in the head....
Mitch is more Bush II jr. than Perry....
I live in greater Indy metro the GOP here is love them's some police state
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 05:58 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 05:59 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 05:59 PM (UZuc4)
So, if Texas decides all its cities are sanctuary cities, the rest of the nation has nothing to say about it? This is a federal responsibility. The fact that they feds have completely abdicated on it doesn't mean we can have states setting individual immigration policies that will ultimately become the defacto law for the rest of the country.
Posted by: pep at September 12, 2011 05:59 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: pep at September 12, 2011 09:56 PM (6TB1Z)
i watched in a bar. a couple of screens have the debate and a couple have the game!
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:59 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Damiano at September 12, 2011 05:59 PM (A2+pr)
He's not going to give the Dept of Education authority to make all states given in state tuition to illegals.
Is he even actually doing that in Texas? I think he said twice at least that you have to be pursuing citizenship to qualify for in state tuition as a non-citizen.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 05:59 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: rabidfox at September 12, 2011 05:59 PM (nt41C)
That's why I support Perry despite this check against him. The issue of securing the border is far more important here, tuition is really a secondary issue to everything else and wouldn't be one at all on the federal level.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 05:59 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 06:00 PM (eOXTH)
indeed what was presented is a flase choice...
if texas loves it and Texas wastes its wealth on it it is Texas' business...
forcing Ohio et al to support it through federal aid is wrong
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:00 PM (AEIYh)
I suspect he'll watch the replays and do just that.
I also think the next time he's hammered about the Gardasil issue he'll say "I offered opt out. I should have offered opt in. In the future, things will be opt in. I learn from mistakes".
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 12, 2011 06:00 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 10:00 PM (eOXTH)
Thankfully, I've missed most of it. Bat-shit crazy isn't catching, is it?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:01 PM (UOM48)
it is interesting....it sort of put to the light of day the lie that "Perry is just like Bush"....
Bush knows who is just like Bush....Bush's preference shows who is the Buh wing guy better than the donks braying about it.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:01 PM (AEIYh)
Oh, I agree, and there would be no way to go case by case anyway.
I'm less than two hours from the border here in SoCal, and I see firsthand the disaster this whole thing has become; I just mean that I can see why this issue is tougher than the average person sitting at home not actually having to deal with the logistics and civil rights issues realizes.
Posted by: MissTammy at September 12, 2011 06:02 PM (SsG4J)
I suspect he'll watch the replays and do just that.
I also think the next time he's hammered about the Gardasil issue he'll say "I offered opt out. I should have offered opt in. In the future, things will be opt in. I learn from mistakes".
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 12, 2011 10:00 PM (Qxe/p)
I thought he said it should have been "opt in" at the last debate.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 06:03 PM (GULKT)
I read somewhere that the opt-out was somehow connected to getting insurance companies to pay for it; opt-in may not have done that. Don't know if what I read was accurate though.
Posted by: Retread at September 12, 2011 06:03 PM (BO5ap)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 06:03 PM (4t9J5)
Big issue for me! Cali is crawling with Sanctuary Cities. I don't think it should be allowed.
Posted by: MissTammy at September 12, 2011 06:03 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Holygoat at September 12, 2011 06:04 PM (2ptZ1)
CNN highlights shows almost every bit of red on red attacks and none of the Obama bashing, what a surprise
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 06:04 PM (vNpDB)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 12, 2011 09:49 PM (NadeK)
Part of the actual job of our leadership is protecting our citizens. at times that means going to lands that have attacked us and cleaning it up.
you may leave a void in afghanistan that lead to Taliban,
saying that, if we don't have a force large enough to do their job properly we should leave rather than leave them at risk with too few numbers to do the job.
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 06:04 PM (h+qn8)
What an implosion. She's a joke.
She should scream some more. Real feminine. And presidential.
Posted by: lu at September 12, 2011 06:04 PM (nuBtX)
My point is that it isn't only Texas' business. Maryland is near my state of Virginia. They have sanctuary cities. These are safe havens for the illegals to run to. My federal taxes support their subsidization of illegal behavior. For that matter, I'm in liberal NoVa. Alexandria is a sanctuary city, and we are overrun in the rest of the county. You can't treat it as a local problem, because it affects everyone. Or am I misunderstanding your point?
Posted by: pep at September 12, 2011 06:05 PM (6TB1Z)
Tonight's winner: Newt
I agree. He would mop the floor with Obama in a debate. I'm not sure I can say the same about the others.
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 06:05 PM (Z71Vg)
From what I saw tonight he needs to repeat everything, and then add one or two new things. They (Bachmann, Romney) won't give it a rest.
I was proud of Cain's behavior tonight.
I wish he knew a little bit about foreign policy.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 12, 2011 06:05 PM (Qxe/p)
What an implosion. She's a joke.
She should scream some more. Real feminine. And presidential.
This
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:05 PM (UOM48)
I like Daniels and I liked Bush.
and I dont give a shit what dems think.
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp barbarian, tea party terrorist and Perry supporter at September 12, 2011 10:04 PM (qjUnn)
amen
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 06:05 PM (h+qn8)
So, if Texas decides all its cities are sanctuary cities, the rest of the nation has nothing to say about it? This is a federal responsibility. The fact that they feds have completely abdicated on it doesn't mean we can have states setting individual immigration policies that will ultimately become the defacto law for the rest of the country.
Posted by: pep at September 12, 2011 09:59 PM (6TB1Z)
--
That's not the situation, but you know that.
Texas - Perry - asked the Feds to enforce the border. They won't friggin' do it. The illegals are there because of the Feds' failure. The state is merely allocating their resources - the state of Texas' resources - to try to make the best of the situation. That's Texas' business.
There's nothing to suggest if ICE went to UT Austin and rounded up the illegals the Texas Rangers would stop them.
Posted by: Y-not of the Verdant Wolverines at September 12, 2011 06:05 PM (5H6zj)
That said, Perry's the winner here, not because he won the debate, but because Romney is too slimey and the others simply can't measure up in terms of experience and capacity to run an entire country. Since Romney is the major hurdle here, and despite being an excellent speaker, his slick demeanor and bullshit attacks on Perry is going to hurt him badly.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:06 PM (TCyyS)
tired of hearing what we can't do about this or how we'll never be able to change that, and "well that's just the political reality"
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 06:06 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 06:06 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 06:06 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:06 PM (UOM48)
I liked Bush pre 9/11 on domestic policy a lot more than post, but at the end of the day he is the embodiment of the "slouching towards UTOPIA" model of GOP rule....
Bush and Romney and to a degree Daniels refuse to argue against the $uper$tate they just want the key to the car that is hurtling towards the cliff...
um "no"
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:07 PM (AEIYh)
What an implosion. She's a joke.
She should scream some more. Real feminine. And presidential.
Agree. At times, she was sounding like Jenny McCarthy.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 06:07 PM (o2lIv)
Perry became noticeably weaker as the night wore on. I'm now worried that he isn't quick on his feet. I think he was really damaged tonight.
Posted by: pep at September 12, 2011 06:07 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 06:07 PM (m6OUa)
Guess she's not on Team Perry.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:07 PM (UOM48)
Second, I don't believe illegals are as a state's rights issue as Perry posited. Illegals have broken the law. Period. All else after that is a moot point.
Posted by: dogfish at September 12, 2011 06:07 PM (N2yhW)
Newt would be a kick-ass adviser, but only with the proper counter-balance to smooth out Newt's jerkish-tenancies.
Posted by: Things Zombie Reagan might have said at September 12, 2011 06:08 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots quaking everywhere) at September 12, 2011 06:08 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 06:09 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:09 PM (UZl30)
Posted by: TexasJew at September 12, 2011 06:09 PM (DB7UQ)
Perry and Romney are your typical greasy used car salesmen 'ken dolls'. 'oh, i'd vote for perry! he's so dreaaamy!!'.
wake the fuck up america.
Posted by: raj at September 12, 2011 06:10 PM (lh0cZ)
peripherally....I think Romney was very angry at President Perry for his attacks on $ocial$ecurity and Bachmann was angry at President Perry for forcing drugs in her pooter....
could be wrong though
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:10 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:10 PM (UZl30)
the guardisil issue is a big thing with women and women vote and many think women elect the president. that is a huge huge negative for perry
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:09 PM (k1rwm)
and you would know about women seeing as you call them selfish bitches and whores on this site
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots quaking everywhere) at September 12, 2011 06:10 PM (HhCkU)
I'm done with her and Bachmann.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:10 PM (UOM48)
If you were at a bar with a lot of people would you waste your night by commenting continuously on a blog no one likes you?
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 06:11 PM (GULKT)
Enshrined as the most brilliant comment of all time.
My God.
What would we do without TROLL's pearls of wisdom?
Posted by: lu at September 12, 2011 06:11 PM (nuBtX)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 12, 2011 06:11 PM (c0A3e)
@703 That's not the situation, but you know that.
Texas - Perry - asked the Feds to enforce the border. They won't friggin' do it. The illegals are there because of the Feds' failure. The state is merely allocating their resources - the state of Texas' resources - to try to make the best of the situation. That's Texas' business.
There's nothing to suggest if ICE went to UT Austin and rounded up the illegals the Texas Rangers would stop them.I don't know that. Again, if Texas were in a vacuum, and they chose to spend their dollars that way, then okay. But what Tx does to facilitate illegals undermines American citizenship and rule of law. In this case, federal law must trump state law.
Posted by: pep at September 12, 2011 06:11 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 06:11 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: Things Zombie Reagan might have said at September 12, 2011 10:08 PM (c0A3e)
Id' be happy with that.
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 06:11 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots quaking everywhere) at September 12, 2011 06:12 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 06:12 PM (eOXTH)
They think it's going to damage Perry but the more they harp on this issue the more it's going to help him, simply because people will get sick of hearing about it.
The man is not Jesus Christ. He's gonna piss me off and fuck up and do shit that makes me want to live a pile of horse shit in his bed, but ultimately, the Gardisil stinks a whole hell of a lot less than Romneycare.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:12 PM (TCyyS)
To Greta: "I'm gettin' kinda a kick out of this. We talk about things on your show and the next day they're all talkin' about it."
Officially done with you.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:12 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: zombie JFK at September 12, 2011 06:12 PM (GTbGH)
and you would know about women seeing as you call them selfish bitches and whores on this site
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots quaking everywhere) at September 12, 2011 10:10 PM (HhCkU)
you have me confused with the phoenix "my closet is the size of your apartment secretary" or the "my son is my claim to fame, i have no life" mom
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 06:12 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Lauren at September 12, 2011 06:12 PM (VKD8C)
Posted by: lu at September 12, 2011 06:12 PM (nuBtX)
she is probably going to throw her weight behind Mittens and hurt her standing with the TP down the road when he acts as he will if/when he beats Ogabe
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:12 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:09 PM (k1rwm)
Well you never know: some women may not MIND having their daughters vaccinated against cancer. Anymore than they minded vaccination against polio, against smallpox, against measles, on and on... I just don't see this as a huge issue.
BTW, Bachmann suggesting that Perry was bought for $5,000 from the vaccine company was pretty disgusting, and will cost her.
HOLY SMOKES! CNN shows Perry working the crowd, and he is AWESOME.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 06:12 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 06:13 PM (Z71Vg)
If you were at a bar with a lot of people would you waste your night by commenting continuously on a blog no one likes you?
It is very curious that all the places that someone supposedly posts from all have the same hash...or am I misinterpreting things again?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 12, 2011 06:13 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 10:10 PM (fyOgS)
Yep, and a record-breaking TD follows.C'mon, lets get to the Raiders/Broncs guys!
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 12, 2011 06:13 PM (Zgfnd)
Yet he's open borders.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:13 PM (UZl30)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:09 PM (k1rwm)
yeah it actually is,
i had cervical cancer I'm glad there is a rememdy. and i'm glad he gave an opt out option for those that are concerned
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 06:13 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: As If! at September 12, 2011 06:13 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: rabidfox
............
Oh, well then.. thanks for your educated input on this then. You admittedly don't know what the fuck you are talking about, but you are sure enough to have a firm opinion on it.
Thanks.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 12, 2011 06:13 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Lauren at September 12, 2011 10:12 PM (VKD8C)
Disappointed about what?
Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (X6akg)
what's the take from the paul camp? i dunno? paul's a creepy anti-semite.
you want establishment guys and the same old same old? keep voting for those big money greasy ken dolls.
he's so dreaaamy! look at his hair! he's 70 and not a spec of grey.
Posted by: raj at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (lh0cZ)
Big deal.
Posted by: TexasJew at September 12, 2011 10:09 PM (DB7UQ)
I remember getting lots and lots of shots as a kid. Big Hairy Deal.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:12 PM (k1rwm)
you just fucked yourself over bitch
I will post the following on the Ace facebook page and have it pounded to others what disgusting lows you took attacking a woman's marine son
you have me confused with the phoenix "my closet is the size of your apartment secretary" or the "my son is my claim to fame, i have no life" mom
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:12 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots quaking everywhere) at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots quaking everywhere) at September 12, 2011 10:12 PM (HhCkU)
ah so you think you are raising a slut? but seriously, read all the literature, all the cases, not everything is online. then come back and tell us this again.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (k1rwm)
Guess she's not on Team Perry.
Merck was the only company that made the drug.
This idea that girls were forced to be vaccinated against their will is also B.S.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (o2lIv)
Perry wins - Everyone hits on him, he keeps his cool, keeps his feet and doesn't back down
Romney doesn't lose - He is mostly on point, doesn't whine and doesn't blow his answers on Ronmeycare (not that they are particularly good)
Bachmann, Huntsman, and Santorum lose and likely need to drop out - They came off as desperate and trying to gang up on Perry. They made the same mistake TPaw did against Bachmann earlier.
Cain, Paul, and Newt are there for the entertainment value - They give interesting answers and keep things lively, although Paul really pissed a lot of people off with his AQ answer and killing 100s of thousands of Iraqis. Newt laughing while watching Paul implode was priceless.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (cSkZ5)
the guardisil issue is a big thing with women and women vote and many think women elect the president
Las I checked women also don't want to get cancer.
Posted by: Lauren at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (VKD8C)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 06:14 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:15 PM (UZl30)
oh I know he is serious about Border enforcement...the feds are allowing machine gun wielding federales who can be bought b y narcotrafficantes to cross into Texas....
still he is pro-illegal once they are IN the US
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:15 PM (AEIYh)
The vayjayjays gotta stick together ya know??? Getting fucking fed up with women who think they are entitled to hold a powerful office simply because they have a vagina. Fuck off and get back to the kitchen already.
Now if a younger Margaret Thatcher were running for President, THEN we can have us a conversation.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:15 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: TexasJew at September 12, 2011 06:15 PM (DB7UQ)
biggest whiff of the night was when Perry told Bachmann that he was offended by her comment.
She could have dropped a "Maybe you need to put on your big-boy pants, if your going to play with the grownups" bomb on him.
He sounded so weak there, but she did not pounce
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 12, 2011 06:15 PM (3Zo6I)
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 12, 2011 06:15 PM (Zgfnd)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:14 PM (k1rwm)
and someone who attacks a woman's son should lecture me on wanting my daughter to be safe from a virus guys can pass?
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots quaking everywhere) at September 12, 2011 06:15 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 06:16 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 12, 2011 06:16 PM (s7mIC)
you have me confused with the
phoenix "my closet is the size of your apartment secretary" or the "my
son is my claim to fame, i have no life" mom
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:12 PM (k1rwm)
You really are a worthless little bitch. The only one on this blog who has no life is you.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:16 PM (UOM48)
ah so you think you are raising a
slut? but seriously, read all the literature, all the cases, not
everything is online. then come back and tell us this again.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:14 PM (k1rwm)
a slut?
you know what curious, you have an issue with being a decent person these days.
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 06:16 PM (h+qn8)
because it has a hard time finding a comatose bed partner to breed with....
funny stuff on her part insisting she has moral authority on anything
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:17 PM (AEIYh)
i guess you don't have an iphone or an ipad or you've never heard of bars with wi fi
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 06:17 PM (k1rwm)
the guardisil issue is a big thing with women and women vote and many think women elect the president. that is a huge huge negative for perry
Sure it is, if the vaccination had been available when I was a kid and I'd had the vaccination I might not have developed cervical cancer. If my mother had had it when she was a kid whe might not have died from cervical cancer. This is what Bachmann and the others who are ragging on Perry forget: It is a vaccination for a very realy and deadly disease.
Posted by: rabidfox at September 12, 2011 06:17 PM (nt41C)
I think he did rather well, and gave all the right answers. If you don't believe his answers, I would ask you why do you believe anyone's answers?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 12, 2011 06:17 PM (UTq/I)
He has also called for no Federal Immigration reform until the border is secured.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:17 PM (UZl30)
This idea that girls were forced to be vaccinated against their will is also B.S.
Another thing that is BS is the idea that Merck was going to get rich off this mandatory vaccination. Michelle Bachman, with her finanical accument, should know that the profit margin off vaccines is very low; vaccine production also comes with a high regulatory burden, which is why the US gets a lot of its flu vaccine overseas.
The thought that Merck and Perry colluded just so Merck could get rick off Gardasil is simply preposterous.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 12, 2011 06:18 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:17 PM (k1rwm)
Your hash would change idjit.
Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2011 06:18 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 06:18 PM (eOXTH)
so am I the only one who thinks that Perry came off as sounding a bit like an empty suit at times?
Yes.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 12, 2011 06:18 PM (dWPyO)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 12, 2011 10:16 PM (s7mIC)
Pretty sure that I have that market well cornered, thank you.
Posted by: SCFOAMF at September 12, 2011 06:18 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: pep at September 12, 2011 10:11 PM (6TB1Z)
---
Are you saying the state of Texas is stopping the Federal Government from enforcing immigration laws? Do you really believe that is the case? Because that is not my understanding of what is happening down there.
Furthermore, my friend, all this Texas law does is decide how Texas' allocates resources vis a vis in-state tuition. What federal law does that break? If the University of Texas wants to give friggin' Greenlanders the in-state tuition rate, that's their business. It has nothing to do with anything else.
Posted by: Y-not of the Verdant Wolverines at September 12, 2011 06:19 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 12, 2011 06:19 PM (s7mIC)
The way Gardasil was explained to me, it prevents cervical cancer, which does not require a sexual encounter to develop.
My daughter, wife & I discussed the issue regarding our granddaughter. She ended up getting the shot, because the rewards seemed to outweigh the risks. Future sexual activity didn't come up.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 12, 2011 06:19 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 06:19 PM (BJNwZ)
No, I saw it too, mainly because he was put on the spot for having to defend positions that were largely indefensible. I'm not worried, he needs to get hammered early and often and deal with it, it's the only way he'll get better and improve his skillset as a debater.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:19 PM (TCyyS)
so am I the only one who thinks that Perry came off as sounding a bit like an empty suit at times?
me too...
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 06:20 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: rockmom at September 12, 2011 06:20 PM (lSyyU)
That is, until he and his chief-of-state who advocated for Merck, have a financial state in the game.
Man of Principle. The state should have no control over our decisions and lives, only those which are biologically irrevocable. Ohh, but that individual mandate in Massachusetts was the root of all mother fucking evil, btw.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at September 12, 2011 06:20 PM (KaHVv)
I used to be a decent fan of hers, but the last few months she has really worn out her welcome with me.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 12, 2011 06:20 PM (cSkZ5)
Your hash would change idjit.
Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2011 10:18 PM (X6akg)
not really, but if I tell you why I can keep it the same, it won't continue to drive you all nuts
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 06:20 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 06:20 PM (tEGzl)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Curious On Jane Doh': "my son is my claim to fame, i have no life" mom; TROLL MUST GO at September 12, 2011 06:20 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 12, 2011 06:20 PM (qFpRI)
If TROLL had ever seen a penis she would know that she can get HPV w/out every having sex.
But since TROLL is a fat lonely f*ck she gets no dick.
Poor TROLL. No one wants to flour it up to find the wet spot.
Posted by: lu at September 12, 2011 06:20 PM (nuBtX)
House Rule 5, clause 2(c)(1) says that “Broadcast coverage and recordings of House floor proceedings may not be used for any political purpose…” Additionally, House Rule 11, clause 4(b) says that “radio and television tapes and film of any coverage of House committee proceedings may not be use, or made available for use, as partisan political campaign material to promote or oppose the candidacy of any person for public office.”
Normally House ethics rules arenÂ’t a problem for the DNC. But since April of this year, a member of Congress, Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz of Florida, has chaired the national committee. Some say that the House ethics rule applies to the DNC ad for the simple reason that Wasserman-Schultz is chair.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 12, 2011 06:21 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Y-not of the Verdant Wolverines at September 12, 2011 06:21 PM (5H6zj)
When you look up morbidly obese drama queen in the dictionary, "its" picture comes up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:21 PM (UOM48)
------ Just check the birth certificate...
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 12, 2011 06:21 PM (3Zo6I)
Posted by: TexasJew at September 12, 2011 06:21 PM (DB7UQ)
i think just like you are going to be surprised by weiner's seat outcome, you are going to be surprised by who wins the primary
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 06:22 PM (k1rwm)
You have a wireless card for your laptop that is tied to an ISP that registers you for a unique IP address based on your account name.
Is that close? I think it is.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 12, 2011 06:22 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 06:23 PM (+N0Wl)
You should really try to ignore it. Not worth your time or you angst.
Just another internet dope. And you're worth more than responding to it.Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 06:23 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:23 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 06:23 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 06:23 PM (BJNwZ)
it is very mysterious....
like I was when I uised my old Sprint Card as main ISPconnection and the phone and dedicated card "matched".....
"oooooo" Kurious Bi-Polar is an Otaku ain't she?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:23 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 06:23 PM (k1rwm)
Basically that we are to blame for their misery because we keep buying foreign oil and starting wars in other countries at our whim and because Jewish bankers told us to. And that we had it coming with 9/11.
Or some such thing.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:23 PM (TCyyS)
What did Paul have to say about the Palestinians?
That we got 9/11 in part because we don't "treat the Palestinians right".
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 12, 2011 06:23 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:24 PM (UZl30)
You have a wireless card for your laptop that is tied to an ISP that registers you for a unique IP address based on your account name.
Is that close? I think it is.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 12, 2011 10:22 PM (s7mIC)
"It" also has a sooper sekrit "comment filter" that "it" says it will share with Ace one day.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:24 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 12, 2011 06:24 PM (Z71Vg)
Rick Perry is the most dimwitted, slowest candidate of the lot.
I's like to thank acofspadeshq front pagers for pumping up this unprepared dolt and giving him a path to the nomination, so he can embarrass the GOP and destroy the Republican momentum in 2012.
He's a national Sharon Angle.
Thanks Guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Posted by: Winning at September 12, 2011 06:24 PM (yzA37)
Impressions on tonight:
Newt--again, the winner in terms of answers, staying on task of attaking Obama. However, not a serious candidate.
Romney--good on most substance, par on style. Took more than he gave based on audience reactions, still the clear #2 in the race.
Perry--Stronger showing this time, still didn't blow the field away. Didn't do anything new to lose support, but may pick up some support due to other candidates weakening.
Paul--Stick a fork in him. Absolutely savaged by Santorum on foreign policy. Expect him to lose anyone who cares about foreign affairs at all.
Cain--Better prepared with each debate, but doesn't have the juice to go the distance. At best, he's treading water.
Santorum--Some great one-liners. He's Cain's doppelganger, can't get it done nationally. I'd expect him to bow out in the not-too-distant future.
Huntsman--Why is he here again?
Bachmann--The big loser tonight. Her momentum is gone, and I see no hope of recovery. She thought she had a real shot to use on Perry with Gardisil but it was at best a flesh wound.
Bottom line--it's still Perry and Romney, the rest are playing for cabinet slots (except Huntsman and Paul, who are playing for vanity, I guess).
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 06:24 PM (vNpDB)
TROLL is brilliant. Brilliant I say!
Posted by: lu at September 12, 2011 06:25 PM (nuBtX)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 06:25 PM (PCEZn)
I think people are missing the point about the vaccine, it's that fact that he went against conservative principals, and did an executive order. Because apparently he thought at that time that the "government" knows better what choice to make for your daughter. Isn't that the freaking point... The government should not be telling me that they know what's best for my kid.
Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 12, 2011 06:25 PM (hyUyU)
i'm still basically where i have always been with Perry, he says some things i like, but i don't trust him.
if he's the nominee i'll vote for him but i won't be all fired up about it, won't vote for Romney at all, would like to vote for someone i trust to be a real conservative, I want off the electability train... damn thing just goes in circles.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 06:25 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 12, 2011 06:25 PM (cSkZ5)
Posted by: TexasJew at September 12, 2011 06:25 PM (DB7UQ)
To Greta: "I'm gettin' kinda a kick out of this. We talk about things on your show and the next day they're all talkin' about it."
Officially done with you.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 10:12 PM (UOM4
I think her crack pretty much says it all. I'm really not paying much atrtention to anything she says in that annoying voice of hers anymore. She's doing it for kicks. And she's irrelevant.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 06:26 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:26 PM (UZl30)
I am leaning about 50/50 between Mitt and Perry at this point.
Again if either one wins the nomination I would campaign my heart out for either one.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 12, 2011 06:26 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 06:26 PM (BJNwZ)
It should tell you something that most on this blog would jump at the chance to meet almost anyone else on this blog. Except....for you.
I am not saying that to be mean. You, however, have been mean.
Commenters such as Phoenixgirl and Jane D'Oh have been here for years and have developed tight bonds with the other commenters on this site. When you attack them, you alienate the rest.
It is a foolish move for anyone possessing even a modicum of intelligence thus your actions define either your intelligence, or your intent.
Neither of these options paints you in a flattering light.
Posted by: As If! at September 12, 2011 06:26 PM (piMMO)
Who knew Ace had so much power?
He's like the Rosicrucians and Bilderbergers rolled into one.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 12, 2011 06:26 PM (BzMNX)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 06:26 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 12, 2011 09:49 PM
Ron Paul is RIGHT, why are we fighting wars in Afghanistan when we need the money here for UFO infrastructure
Posted by: proud dum-dum at September 12, 2011 06:26 PM (Y+DPZ)
For everyoen who is saying that only sluts get hpv:
I have a good friend who was a virgin on her wedding nitght. Her husband had gotten a few blow jobs, but had never had vaginal sex either. Unfortunately for her, one of those girls had HPV of the throat. My friend ended up finding out that she had a very aggressive from of HPV when she was pregnant with her first child.
In her words she feels "disgusting and dirty"and very worried that she might develop cervical cancer. She did everything "right" and still ended up with an STD. Do you want to tell someone whow as a virgin until she was 23 that she's a slut? Be my guest, but you're a total ass.
Posted by: Lauren at September 12, 2011 06:27 PM (VKD8C)
This most of all. Her whiney, shrilly voice and clumsy attack on Perry sealed it. Going to run an entire country are you, strong arm Congress into repealing all of Obamacare, mmmhmmm? Bitch, please.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:27 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 06:27 PM (UZuc4)
I disagree but to each his own.....
I will not reward Mitt for attacking Perry when his previously stated idea on it #34 out of 56 was similar....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:27 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:24 PM (k1rwm)
we give a fuck what a solid blue state thinks?
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:28 PM (HhCkU)
Well, I've always hoped the Israelis would put them out of their fucking misery, once and for all.
adonai
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 06:28 PM (tEGzl)
Posted by: Paul at September 12, 2011 06:28 PM (DsHk0)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 12, 2011 10:25 PM (cSkZ5)
The nationa election? of course not.
But Bachmann and others will try to latch on to it and milk it for all it's worth, as they flail to save their campaigns. And that can't help us in 2012.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 06:28 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 06:28 PM (PCEZn)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:25 PM (k1rwm)
As if. DIAF, you nasty pig.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:28 PM (UOM48)
Ridiculous.
Posted by: Robert at September 12, 2011 06:29 PM (4q6A5)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 06:29 PM (UZuc4)
Bachmann lost me with the vaccine crap. And why do the nominees have to be so damn nasty to each other? I understand presenting different viewpoints and ideologies, but come on! Obama is the enemy, not another Republican. What the hell!
Posted by: KATY BETH at September 12, 2011 06:29 PM (NhmZ3)
Posted by: TexasJew at September 12, 2011 06:29 PM (DB7UQ)
um no....
sorry about her luck.
That said life is a full contact sport and you REALLY should know a lot about your partner and ponder risk.....
in her case she drew a really bad hand....
I was with a slut who screwed anything that moved and got lucky and dodged the bullet...
I'm sorry for her pain.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:29 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 06:30 PM (h+qn8)
he thought at that time that the "government" knows better what choice to make for your daughter. Isn't that the freaking point... The government should not be telling me that they know what's best for my kid.
There was an opt out!
Posted by: Lauren at September 12, 2011 06:30 PM (VKD8C)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 06:30 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 06:30 PM (4t9J5)
@860: This is the first year, I must say, that I ever heard that government-required vaccines were against conservative principles. I mean, Really, Who Knew?
Are we the Jenny McCarthy party now?
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 06:30 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 06:30 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 12, 2011 10:25 PM (hyUyU)
there was an opt-out, get over it
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:31 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 06:31 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:25 PM (k1rwm)
curious, please do us a favor; if you and dum-dum ever hook up, please make him wear a condom. That much stupidity in the gene pool would tear the time-space fabricPosted by: proud dum-dum at September 12, 2011 06:31 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 12, 2011 06:31 PM (qFpRI)
BTW, that vaccine is usually ineffective after about 15 because the girls have been exposed to the virus by then. I'm not entirely sure that sexual transmission is the only way that it can be picked up so I can see where Perry was coming from.
Think about what the hell you're saying.
It's usually too late at 15, because everyone already has it by then.
Everybody fucking has it.
Now last time I checked, while it is an infortunate problem for some people, including people that this vaccine cannot help because there are other causes of cervical cancer, we're not having any epidemic of cervical cancer.
Everyone has it. It's a bit much to say that HPV causes cancer. Does fucking everyone have cervical cancer?
Now maybe the vaccine is totally harmless, and there's no good reason not to decrease your risk, even if only by ridiculously hypothetically miniscule amounts.
I happen to think that's exactly the case.
But who the hell is the government to make health care decisions for you by mandate?
You think the State level government should be making mandates like this with a guy like Perry in charge?
OK...
Here's the real question. You think the random stylish metro ivy leauge empty suit identity-fetish we we elect in '20 because people are sick of Perry's Texas accent ought to be able to mandate what health treatments you and your family get too?
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 06:31 PM (sDP2b)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 06:32 PM (KxADM)
Honestly, there is no insult harsh enough for this pig.
Posted by: Y-not of the Verdant Wolverines at September 12, 2011 06:32 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: The Guy Who Brings Up RAWN PAWL!!!1! at September 12, 2011 06:32 PM (r1ARs)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 06:32 PM (oYb6f)
Romney wins, Perry disappoints
what are you smoking? come on war admit it, your going with the "safe bet" with Romney. I love you dude but at least i'm upfront w/ where my bias is
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:32 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 06:33 PM (eOXTH)
doesn't matter that there was an opt out. It should have just been made available for those that wanted it, Goverment had no business in doing anything with it, except for making sure it was safe, before it was available.
Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 12, 2011 06:33 PM (hyUyU)
Posted by: As If! at September 12, 2011 06:33 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:33 PM (UZl30)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 10:32 PM (KxADM)
"Nora" did a pretty good job of it for a while, with me, anyway. I should not have allowed myself to be sucked in like that.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 06:34 PM (oYb6f)
For everyoen who is saying that only sluts get hpv:
I have a good friend who was a virgin on her wedding nitght. Her husband had gotten a few blow jobs, but had never had vaginal sex either. Unfortunately for her, one of those girls had HPV of the throat. My friend ended up finding out that she had a very aggressive from of HPV when she was pregnant with her first child.
In her words she feels "disgusting and dirty"and very worried that she might develop cervical cancer. She did everything "right" and still ended up with an STD. Do you want to tell someone whow as a virgin until she was 23 that she's a slut? Be my guest, but you're a total ass.
Posted by: Lauren at September 12, 2011 10:27 PM (VKD8C)
Lauren the reiteration of hpv/slut comments was only a repeating one persons comment.
a person doesn't have to be well experienced to get it. slut comment was rude, crude and less then informative.
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 06:34 PM (h+qn8)
I wouldn't hate them so much if they weren't so good
Kind of like the reason the rest of the world "hates" us but never turn down a chance to live here
Posted by: kbdabear at September 12, 2011 06:34 PM (Y+DPZ)
None of Perry's opponents seem to remember there was an opt out.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:34 PM (UZl30)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:35 PM (UZl30)
Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 12, 2011 10:33 PM (hyUyU)
yes that would have been the better response.
can't argue with that.
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 06:35 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:35 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 10:33 PM (UZl30)
I suspect Santorum, before the next debate. Caine, next. Then Huntsman, and then Bachmann.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 06:35 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Paul at September 12, 2011 06:35 PM (DsHk0)
Posted by: Winning at September 12, 2011 06:36 PM (yzA37)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 06:36 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: LTC Graham at September 12, 2011 06:36 PM (2tjWo)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 06:37 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 06:37 PM (UZuc4)
The problem with the opt-out is that it would evidently have been a pain in the ass to do. You had to jump through some retarded loopholes to officially opt out of the program.
We're all arguing a moot point though, the program never became live, as the legislature passed a bill to overturn the order, which Perry neither signed, but didn't veto either, so it passed by default.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:37 PM (TCyyS)
I went over to Daily Kooks to see what the reaction is on tonight's debates, and found I went from "Trusted User" status this morning to "Banned" this evening!
This is my third ban, and I feel humbled by the honor!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 12, 2011 06:37 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Big Gov Repub at September 12, 2011 06:38 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 06:38 PM (fyOgS)
sigh.
HPV is very common, routine Pap smears have greatly reduced the incidence of cervical cancer by detecting the changes that lead to it early. That being said, would any rational person here rather have a) polio, or b) a shot that prevents polio?
Like HPV, polio is a virus. Like HPV, most people who contracted polio were fine in the long run. Like polio, you can get HPV through no fault of your own.
Anyone want to bring back polio? Anyone? Then why the hell is everyone so worked up about the HPV vaccine when it has the exact same purpose?
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 06:39 PM (vNpDB)
doesn't matter that there was an opt out. It should have just been made available for those that wanted it,
It's an expensive vaccine, and it would only be covered by insurance plans if it was mandatory. School children aren't getting Hep B either, but that is still a mandatroy vaccination.
Posted by: Lauren at September 12, 2011 06:39 PM (VKD8C)
None of Perry's opponents seem to remember there was an opt out.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 10:34 PM (UZl30)
None of Perry's opponents seem to remember that he ended it himself.
Hell was the mandatory vaccination ever even put into place? What was the timeframe betwee the EO's of approval and repeal? Did anyone even get the vaccine under those circumstances?
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 06:40 PM (GULKT)
#828 Sure you are! Kittehs can read?
Show 'em this one, I dare you. If you are indeed at a bar, surrounded by friends, they should know that you are an idiotic attention whore who, by the way, likes to post links to gay porn, and loves to insult people who in your heart you know that you will never measure up to in your entire miserable life.
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 12, 2011 06:40 PM (Zgfnd)
I think pre-Obamacare this wouldn't be as much an issue. But now the very thought of any kind of government influence on medicine makes us violently homicidal.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:41 PM (TCyyS)
Where is the strong intelligent woman out there who will become our first female GOP candidate?
And let me just say I love Herman. He would make a great cabinet member in a Republican presidency. And Newt is brilliant.....but....well, I'll shut up. I've met him (and his brrrr latest wife) and he's personable.
I'm leaning Perry because what this country needs right now is a ball-busting man who can elevate our country's status in the world again. I don't dislike Mitt, but been there and done that and still had to vote for McCain.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:41 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:41 PM (HhCkU)
I don't think Cain will drop out -- he's said he wouldn't, and that wasn't connected to "standings".
I think he knows he's 'out', based on his behavior tonight.
He didn't do much bashing -- just pointed out differences in how he'd approach economic policies.
I liked that.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 12, 2011 06:41 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 12, 2011 06:41 PM (TEbsf)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 06:42 PM (PCEZn)
Posted by: survey sez at September 12, 2011 06:42 PM (wrGst)
Posted by: cherry π at September 12, 2011 06:42 PM (OhYCU)
I don't dislike Mitt, but been there and done that and still had to vote for McCain.
yeah that's how I feel. Plus i've come to DESPISE the Romneybots. I like Mitt more then others here do but his fanboys are despicable.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:42 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: cherry ð at September 12, 2011 10:42 PM (OhYCU)
what are you smoking? being the Jenny McCarthy shrill candidate will not make a comeback
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:43 PM (HhCkU)
There are no safe bets. But I like both of these guys and the skirmishes between them make these debates serious barn-burners. I'd love to see all the dead weight swept away for two-man, mano a mano slugfests. Ultimately, I'd be very happy with a Perry/Romney ticket.
Perry's my #1 choice but he's not just going to coast to this thing; he'll have to fight for it. Romney, no matter what you think of him, regardless of whether or not you trust him, is a very formidable candidate. He looks presidential, he sounds presidential, he puts forth detailed and specific policy proposals and he's cool under fire. He will be very tough for Perry to put away.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 06:43 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:14 PM (k1rwm)
I'm starting to think Ace=k1rwm. He made a comment similar to this on the liveblog. Ace, you wouldn't do that would you? k1rwm is pretty brutal to a great military mom that frequents this joint.
Maybe I'm just a paranoid lurker. But it's odd that k1rwm is never banned and always has the same hash. Also, the personality is different depending on the day. The hallmark of a sock, or a team I guess.
Ron Paul!!!11!!! (hey, if I can't get into the debates...)
Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 12, 2011 10:41 PM (TEbsf)
That's a pretty sick leap of logic. You completely missed ace's points tonight if you think he was saying that. Plus, ace is basically begging the commenters to give him a reason to ban k1rwm, it's just that they keep piling on her instead of letting her tie her own rope.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 06:44 PM (vNpDB)
The Patriots remain a class act.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Okay Hold On...BWHAHAHAHAHA
Okay I'm Done
BEST JOKE EVAH
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:44 PM (HhCkU)
I went over to Daily Kooks to see what the reaction is on tonight's debates, and found I went from "Trusted User" status this morning to "Banned" this evening!
This is my third ban, and I feel humbled by the honor!
Well, please share! What were things like in Crazy Town?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:44 PM (UOM48)
I suspect Santorum, before the next debate. Caine, next. Then Huntsman, and then Bachmann.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 10:35 PM (oYb6f)
Huntsman won't drop out until after the primaries begin. I suspect many of the others as well. I can see Santorum or Caine dropping out before hand, but figure this is pretty much set until Iowa.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 06:45 PM (GULKT)
On one thread Ace told her to go away and he was tired of her act.
Posted by: kbdabear at September 12, 2011 06:45 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 06:45 PM (TMB3S)
Do you think there is a chance for that in any order? Romney going full bore on the Social Security and Perry hitting on Romney supporting socialized medicine seems to be ending any chance of those 2 on the same ticket.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:46 PM (UZl30)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 10:43 PM (KxADM)
okay I like that answer
I agree w/ that on Mitt. He's my #2 and I like the guy more then i've let on lately. But his fanboys are pissing me off extremely lately so i'm getting more amped to have him defeated.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:46 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 06:46 PM (UZuc4)
It has nothing to do with Gardasil, or HPV prevention as a matter of health policy That you believe it to be so demonstrates that you either, (1) do not understand the charge, (2) are shilling.
The problem is one of Rick Perry, who brandishes himself as a small government, 10th Amendment disciple who has a huge distate for the state meddling into our personal agency as a free citizen to such an extent that he has brought up cesession from the Union.
Yet, when it comes to the state mandating the injection of juvenile girls without their conscent, without necssary parental consent and he implemented it by doing an end-run around the legislature (ie. the voice of the people) by way of executive fiat...
... all while taking campaign contributions and with his campaign chief a Merck lobbyist, that should be a mother fucking red flag.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at September 12, 2011 06:48 PM (KaHVv)
I don't think either man's ego would allow them to run on a VP ticket. It's President or bust for both.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:48 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Paul at September 12, 2011 06:49 PM (DsHk0)
Bachmann chewed the legs off of Perry, and she chased Romney like a varmint.
She will rise. The others will fall.
Posted by: cherry ð at September 12, 2011 10:42 PM (OhYCU)
i hope so, she's the most consistent (yeah, i know "consistently crazy")
Posted by: Big Gov Repub at September 12, 2011 06:49 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Big Gov Repub at September 12, 2011 06:49 PM (m6OUa)
I don't see why it couldn't happen. Who in early 1980, after "voodoo economics", thought there would be a Reagan/Bush ticket?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 06:50 PM (KxADM)
so the anti-Perry folks wants us to become the Jenny McCarthy party, damn you folks make me more pro-Perry every day
OPT-OUT means nothing anymore huh?
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:50 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 06:51 PM (TMB3S)
But it's odd that k1rwm is never banned and always has the same hash.
Ace gives great latitude towards stupid shit but will drop a number if you have something bad to say about Michelle.
I have no fucking idea what goes on.
Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2011 06:51 PM (bxrX8)
so the anti-Perry folks wants us to become the Jenny McCarthy party, damn you folks make me more pro-Perry every day
OPT-OUT means nothing anymore huh?
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 10:50 PM (HhCkU)
and it's blowhards like you that make Perry easy to dislike.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 06:52 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: lu at September 12, 2011 06:52 PM (nuBtX)
..........
Here's a quote from their liveblogging:
BTW, I hope it goes without saying, but I imagine nobody in the White House or OFA felt even the slightest hint of fear at any of these candidates. Romney is still probably the GOP's best candidate for the general, but even despite the economy, President Obama could beat any one of them.
They are fucking clueless. Even if the GOP candidate wins in NY-09, they will find some excuse to not blame Obama.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 12, 2011 06:52 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: cherry π at September 12, 2011 06:53 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:54 PM (UZl30)
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 12, 2011 10:29 PM (UZuc4)
The style of writing seems to change throughout the day. I'm convinced that there are at least two folks using that laptop, and the one who's here now is a gay man who works in the fashion industry. He's hoping to be a famous stylist one day and keeps sending his "resume'" and dic-pics to Rachel Zoe. Well, at least he use to. Then she took out the restraining order. Now, he just continues to toil away backstage, watching the models change their underwear and wondering if they'd ride up his ass if he wore them. They take turns making him spray Evian on their asses and they giggle when they ask him to adjust their boobs inside their bras because their "nails are wet". They do it just to watch him squirm because, although he's clearly gay, he's in denial and is always talking about the hot "vajayjay" he got the night before. His locker at work contains an eyebrow brush, a nail buffer and, a photo of Oprah which he claims belongs to the last bitch he plowed. When fashion week is over, and he finds himself at home all alone except for his pomeranian named Anna Wintour (Winny, for short) and a cat named Judy Garland, he silently weeps for the life he could have had if it weren't for his mom stripping in the club and bringing her johns home each night. She missed his performance in Les Mis and he's ever forgiven her for it.
He's had a rough life and, it is for that reason, that I tilt my had to the side, stick out my bottom lip and ask:
Did somebunny have a bad day at the therapist office today?
Posted by: As If! at September 12, 2011 06:54 PM (piMMO)
and it's blowhards like you that make Perry easy to dislike.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 10:52 PM (m6OUa)
and it's dumbasses like you who made the comment you'd let Obama have 4 more years if you don't get a nom you like that chap my ass
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:54 PM (HhCkU)
good, the last thing we want is for them to take an honest look at the electorate....it'll keep them lazy and the cheating down
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 06:54 PM (AEIYh)
I watched part of the debate and thought Rick did fine (did not see second half). Blitzer much better moderator than that buffoon Brian Williams the preacher man.
I have to wonder when they will allow Perry et all to discuss other issues other than HPV vaccine and SS. How about national security? How about the nukes in Iran? How about Russia cozying up to Chavez in our own backyard? What about Israel? What about the cuts in defense? It still seemed to be a "let's gang up on Perry" sort of night again. His weakest issue is the illegals, and I can deal with that as he wants states rights and he wants to put the National Guard at the freakin' border. I don't care about the HPV that he has apologized for. I don't care that he calls SS a Ponzi scheme as it is. If this is all they have against him: I don't care.
It all comes down to this: who do I want to face Putin someday? The answer is Rick Perry. Romney would try to negotiate. Bachman would scream at him in her megaphone. Santorum would tell him he is not nice. Ron Paul would probably make him his Secretary of State after selling back Alaska. Huntsman would ask him for a date and compare self-tanning products. Herman Cain would smack him upside the head (and should be on President Perry's cabinet somewhere). Newt would tell the commie who is boss (and should remain onstage in future debates to tell off the moderators). I still don't know what McCotter looks like. Would still vote for any of the above except for Ron Paul vs OBarfy.
The debate should center on the GOP vs Obama, not the GOP contenders vs Perry and Texas. Newt Gringrich and Cain try to lead the issue back but Bachman, Romney and Santorum want to knock Perry down a few points on the polls and the attack on Obama gets diluted. Not sure if it is working for them. Huntsman is like a broken record:drink own bathwater, rinse, repeat. Ron Paul is a loon. The End.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 12, 2011 06:54 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: raj at September 12, 2011 06:54 PM (lh0cZ)
They are fucking clueless. Even if the GOP candidate wins in NY-09, they will find some excuse to not blame Obama.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 12, 2011 10:52 PM (UTq/I)
They truly are idiots.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:54 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: cherry ð at September 12, 2011 10:53 PM (OhYCU)
doubt it. that's what they said last time. He went up +1 in the RCP average. Bachmann is done.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 06:55 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 06:55 PM (vNpDB)
I have no fucking idea what goes on.
Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2011 10:51 PM (bxrX
Which, incidentally, is my normal workday.
Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2011 06:55 PM (bxrX8)
Doubtful. He'll pick up Bachmans two percent shortly. And since Palin is rapidly gaining in being despised by Republicans, he'll get some of her supporters that figure out she is just stringing them along for their money.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 06:55 PM (UZl30)
I say Perry breaks even or gets a slight bump, but I won't make a bet on it
You know who's going to seriously plummet in the polls now though? Bachmann. That I'll bet the house on.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:55 PM (TCyyS)
So, now you're criticizing me for inverting some letters in a speed typing error. Try something more substantive next time, eh?
I can sit back and criticize someone, like, say, Rick Perry for his amazing level of cognition, knowledge and pronunciation all day. But that would just be cheap.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at September 12, 2011 06:56 PM (KaHVv)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at September 12, 2011 06:56 PM (LnUPt)
Remember that in the end all politicians are tools, implements. Don't throw away the ones that can be useful.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 06:57 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 06:57 PM (TCyyS)
Why are we worrying about fake threats to our freedom like the Gardasil mandate, when there are actual threats to our freedom, like the government putting flouride in the water? I mean come on! Who are they to decide I need flouride? This is an outrage!
So how do you feel about Obama's death panels?
Do you agree with the principle that whoever happens to be in charge of government this week can pretty much force everyone to do what they think is best, or don't you?
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 06:58 PM (sDP2b)
*runs like hell out of the room*
Posted by: lu at September 12, 2011 10:52 PM (nuBtX)
I already went after her up-thread after seeing her on Greta.
That was my last straw. She admitted she's enjoying the whole cat and mouse game she's playing.
Palin + fork = done
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 06:58 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: concealed carrie at September 12, 2011 06:59 PM (u8hSJ)
And Michell saying a woman came up and said her daughter became retarded from Gardisil-yeah right!
She said what?! WTF she's done.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 07:00 PM (HhCkU)
She hammered Perry. She's not my favorite, but she damaged him.Posted by: cherry π at September 12, 2011 07:01 PM (OhYCU)
calling it a day:
Perry won but no knockout. Did better then last time. Bachmann = DONE. and Fuck Palin to be frank if she gets a kick out of leading people on and taking their money. yeah I said it.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (FUCK curious) at September 12, 2011 07:02 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 07:02 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 07:02 PM (UZl30)
Posted by: Uriah Heep at September 12, 2011 07:02 PM (KaHVv)
No I think Santorum actually damaged Perry. He was far more coherent and lucid while Bachmann screed about little girls being raped by the government or something.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 07:03 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 07:04 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: cherry π at September 12, 2011 07:05 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 07:06 PM (+N0Wl)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at September 12, 2011 07:07 PM (LnUPt)
Perry's in trouble. And I don't like having to admit that.
The problem is that he doesn't seem to have enough 'endurance,' so to speak. He gets halfway through the debate (just like last time), and then he damn near falls apart. This time he got curbstomped on the HPV issue (which I think is a bunch of bullshit) and the immigration issue (which I think is a legit primary vulnerability but might actually be a net benefit in the general election), and he handled his answers to both extremely poorly. The "I'm offended if you think I can be bought for $5,000" line was AGONIZING...for the love of god, I can't be the only person who thought "oh wait, so you're saying that it would just take MORE money?" Because god that's how it sounded even though I know he didn't mean it like that. And his immigration answer was inarticulate and boilerplate...you could tell the audience was audibly revolted by it.
Romney won, and I didn't think there was really a chance of that halfway through the debate. I thought he looked a little petty and hair-splitting on the Social Security stuff (whereas Perry came off stronger on both that and the Fed Reserve issue), and I felt that even though his general points were always smart and solid, the audience (full of Tea Partiers, natch) was stacked against him and that took him off-balance. But he won simply by stepping out of the way while Santorum and Bachmann assaulted Perry and he failed to fend it off.
Michele Bachmann probably also 'won' the debate tonight in a sense, by taking back some of her voters from Perry, but she can go fuck herself, forever. Accusing Perry of being corrupt, in so many words, is beyond the pale.
Huntsman loses at life.
I honestly have no idea how others will score this, or how the polls will react, but I've got to think that Perry can't take many more debate performances like this. If he doesn't bring his "A game" against Romney from here on out, and learn to better fend off the ankle-biters, he's not going to survive to the general election. Pick up your game, Rick.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 07:08 PM (hIWe1)
Seriously?
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 10:57 PM (TCyyS)
not nescessarily, like i've said before i'll support the person making the most conservative argument, it's the message that's important not the person.
tonight Bachmann agrued from the most conservative perspective, she said some things that are very true, basic truths that go beyond the technicalities being argued, the Santorum was with her on some and Paul was with her on some, Romney is the rockerfeller-repub and Perry, despite the bad-blood, seems to be more or less a Bush clone. and again, i repeat, if Perry is the nominee i will hold my nose and vote for him.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 07:09 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at September 12, 2011 07:10 PM (LnUPt)
Don't carry water for the guy. Stand with him on the merits. You gonna do what you did with Bush? Swallow a Medicaid-D or NCLB with grace and content?
So credit him where credit is due and fault him where it's not. No one is perfect. Percently I think Perry looks very good on the merits.
Doesn't make 2+2=5 if Perry screws up once. Wrong is wrong. Disagreeing with his position on this is neither rejecting his whole candidacy, nor sabotaging it.
He's wrong on the vacine mandate issue. The only way vaccines should be mandatory is if they're a real public health threat do tue contagion.
As has been pointed out amply, everyone already has HPV. He overstepped. You, your family and your doctor, not the government, should be making your healthcare choices.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 07:10 PM (sDP2b)
Am I supposed to be outraged about Enders testing a measles vaccine on retarded children? Fine, I am, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China--especially since it happened years after Salk brought the polio vaccine to market? They didn't rip up the autobahn after Hitler was defeated either, you know. Just because someone is a monster doesn't mean we should throw out the useful things they did too.
Again, I ask--what does this have to do with the question at hand?
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 07:12 PM (vNpDB)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.....but I didn't see Perry attack anyone the way that he was being attacked.
I was prepared for Blitzter to be in attack mode. But he was actually mild compared to how the candidates all went after Rick Perry.
The thing that Bachmann did is inexcusable. I guess she would have us go back to the days when little kids were being crippled by polio and large numbers of people were dying from smallpox......But Perry would never attack her back, because she is a girl, and boyscouts don't do that.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 07:13 PM (WrIbP)
In regards to experience, of which she has pretty much exactly the same legislative background as Obama, no executive experience, and a narcissistic personality based on what I've seen of her and eyewitness accounts from her staff. Very similar pattern, and I think because of it she would be a horrible President, even if she does carry the right ideas and political philosophy.
I thought Palin would have been a far better choice, but only if she had finished her term as governor (I don't care if she would have been crippled by lawsuits or whatever, should have just bit the bullet and taken it until her term ended.)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 07:13 PM (TCyyS)
Don't carry water for the guy. Stand with him on the merits. You gonna do what you did with Bush? Swallow a Medicaid-D or NCLB with grace and content?
So credit him where credit is due and fault him where it's not. No one is perfect. Percently I think Perry looks very good on the merits.
Doesn't make 2+2=5 if Perry screws up once. Wrong is wrong. Disagreeing with his position on this is neither rejecting his whole candidacy, nor sabotaging it.
He's wrong on the vacine mandate issue. The only way vaccines should be mandatory is if they're a real public health threat do tue contagion.
As has been pointed out amply, everyone already has HPV. He overstepped. You, your family and your doctor, not the government, should be making your healthcare choices.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 11:10 PM (sDP2b)
yes, we shouldn't get all bandwagon-jumpy like the drones do, if Perry can withstand the onslaught he'll survive, if he doesn't, he doesn't.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 07:15 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 12, 2011 07:16 PM (vahvH)
I think I'm just happy enough that McCain isn't running.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 07:16 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 07:16 PM (TMB3S)
I have to ask: did Bachman mention her 23 foster children tonight? While I totally admire her offering her home to these children, I am tired of hearing of her sacrifice...almost as much as hearing Huntsman brag about being the only person on stage.
I think Bachman is a great Senator, I do. I simply am not ready for a woman president. I also don't like her shouting. She knows her facts, she knows her stats, and she is conservative. I simply don't want her as president but would vote for her in my ABO mindset.
Sarah Palin is a great mouthpiece for conservative causes, however her ship has sailed. It may have sailed when she was drinking coffee while watching turkey's get their heads chopped off behind her on national tv. Or it could have sailed with her reality show as she whacked halibut. Bus or no bus, she has her place at the table, as do Newt and Cain and Santorum and the rest (not Ron Paul). Just not the table in the WH. Her poll numbers have never been that great. I am tired of her tease. She either needs to cut bait or fish and stop the tease as that has grown old.
I do hope the herd is culled soon to make for real debates on national issues, not past records. I do hope Newt and Cain stick around a bit longer as they bring good stuff to the debates even with low polls. I could do without Bachman, Santorum and Huntsman on stage. Ron Paul needs to be home and medicated, as his entire fleet has sailed.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 12, 2011 07:18 PM (baL2B)
In Soviet Russia, cancer solves Rick Perry
Posted by: The Crab, HPVs friend at September 12, 2011 07:18 PM (KaHVv)
977.....That was my last straw. She admitted she's enjoying the whole cat and mouse game she's playing.
Palin + fork = done
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Yep. I saw her on Greta. Couldn't believe she was crowing about how 'people start talking about things only after I've said it first'.....Puhlease.
She's been reading her own fan worship too much. I first heard the term 'crony capitalism' back during the Clinton years.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 07:21 PM (WrIbP)
She did, but not all 23 of them. I think she only mentioned the daughters to bring home the point of how they would have all been raped by Perry's executive order if they had lived in Texas.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 07:21 PM (TCyyS)
Jack Straw, I thought you and I were discussing the HPV vaccine and whether madating it is significantly different from mandating the polio vaccine.
However, if you want to talk candidates--Romeny would probably get a bit more of the popular vote, but I still think Perry is more than electable, and he serves my interests, and I believe national interests, better.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 07:23 PM (vNpDB)
Posted by: cherry π at September 12, 2011 07:24 PM (OhYCU)
Wow, that's disheartening to hear. She's making it about herself now and it won't end well if she doesn't lose the ego trip.
This is a woman who was more maligned more than any candidate I've ever seen in recent memory. I wanted her to be President just for the revenge factor alone, but now she's alienating the very people who have been supporting her all this time with this attitude.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 07:25 PM (TCyyS)
*Definition, purpose, potential side effects, etc.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 07:26 PM (o2lIv)
I have to agree, at least the current polls show Perry either closing the gap or having just about as much a chance to win as Romney.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 07:27 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 07:27 PM (BJNwZ)
991 My verdict on the debate:
Perry's in trouble. And I don't like having to admit that.
Thanks, Jeff B. I only saw the first half of the debate. I hate that he messed up and seems to fade after half-time. Crap. I like him better than Romney but agree that ole Mitt might do better in the national election. I know he has ticked off many here in Florida with his hysteria on Social Security ending under Rick Perry. Shame on him.
It is going to be a long, long year.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 12, 2011 07:28 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: concealed carrie at September 12, 2011 07:29 PM (u8hSJ)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 07:29 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 07:31 PM (TMB3S)
No, what she would most likely do is ensure the nomination (and probable presidency) of Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 07:32 PM (hIWe1)
977.....That was my last straw. She admitted she's enjoying the whole cat and mouse game she's playing.
Palin + fork = done
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Yep. I saw her on Greta. Couldn't believe she was crowing about how 'people start talking about things only after I've said it first'.....Puhlease.
She's been reading her own fan worship too much. I first heard the term 'crony capitalism' back during the Clinton years.
Just watched the clip at HA. WTF? Man, she is really turning into a blowhard. I am really, really starting to think she's cheating with not announcing yet. She can go on Greta or Hannity and give her answers and opinions without putting any skin in the game. And the way she went on about Perry and the Gardasil/Bachmann accusation was truly creepy to watch. If you haven't seen it, go watch. It pissed me off. And I used to like her. A lot.
Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak at September 12, 2011 07:37 PM (8DdAv)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 07:41 PM (KxADM)
JS, we're not having the same discussion, and I'm not sure we're speaking the same language. I think I understand your issues, but to me it sounds analogous to condemning the makers of The Naked Gun for having OJ Simpson in the movie because after the movie came out, he was responsible for violating Ron Goldman's and Nicole Brown Simpson's "civil rights", what with the whole stabbing thing.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 07:44 PM (vNpDB)
Posted by: concealed carrie at September 12, 2011 07:52 PM (u8hSJ)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 07:56 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: cherry π at September 12, 2011 07:57 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Sgt York at September 12, 2011 07:58 PM (B6nJc)
They go to her, the bastards-- the pod people got to her.
Posted by: lael at September 12, 2011 07:59 PM (vuhBT)
let me try this way - ok, there was this opt-out, but obviously this opt-out didn't have much meaning for the person in question because from what i understand she did have the shot, maybe she wasn't told about it, maybe it wasn't explained to her properly, i don't know but it didn't afford her the freedom she has by right or she didn't think it did.
if we could say that all 12 year old girls are at risk from sexually transmitted because all 12 year old girls have sex as often as they breathe then i would say "stick'em all, has to be done" but the problem is most 12 year girls aren't having sex, believe it or not but some of them are still taught to wait until they grow up and that having sex willy-nilly is a sin, the catch-all philosophy creates what you might call an issue of modesty, but it's really more than that, it's a rejection of the idea that people are capable of discerning right from wrong and passing that on to their children.
when we make law that assumes we are all cretins, we all will be.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 08:01 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Sgt York at September 12, 2011 08:03 PM (B6nJc)
I know, and she's sitting on the sidelines taking shots at everyone and enjoying it instead of following Reagan's 11th Commandment. It's been disappointing watching her descent into believing her own press and she needs to return her focus to Obama.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 08:05 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 08:06 PM (hIWe1)
Well, to be perfectly fair, I'm not sure the word for what she's doing has been invented yet.
But you gotta admit she gets paid pretty well for it.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 08:07 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: Sgt York at September 12, 2011 08:08 PM (B6nJc)
Posted by: Sgt York at September 12, 2011 08:09 PM (B6nJc)
Posted by: Sgt York at September 13, 2011 12:08 AM (B6nJc)
...and we had little bags of silver dimes and we liked it!... we loved it!
Posted by: Luap Nor at September 12, 2011 08:11 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 08:13 PM (hIWe1)
1031..... I know, and she's sitting on the sidelines taking shots at everyone and enjoying it instead of following Reagan's 11th Commandment.
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IIRC she even mocked Reagan's 11th Commandment....Greta didn't seem amused.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 08:15 PM (WrIbP)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 08:17 PM (vNpDB)
Posted by: elliot m at September 12, 2011 08:17 PM (zPich)
if we could say that all 12 year old girls are at risk from sexually transmitted because all 12 year old girls have sex as often as they breathe then i would say "stick'em all, has to be done" but the problem is most 12 year girls aren't having sex, believe it or not but some of them are still taught to wait until they grow up and that having sex willy-nilly is a sin, the catch-all philosophy creates what you might call an issue of modesty, but it's really more than that, it's a rejection of the idea that people are capable of discerning right from wrong and passing that on to their children.
when we make law that assumes we are all cretins, we all will be.
Parents are responsible for asking the proper questions for their children and making sure the doctor sufficiently explains before vaccinations and procedures. If your doctor gives you bad information, that's another matter, but with a matter like this you have an obligation to get the best information you possibly can.
Further, more younger people are having sex than you think. Is it the parents responsibility to teach sexual education to their children, especially in a day and age where culture is promoting more and more sexual liberation? Yes. But I would argue it's naive to suppose that all those who were raised with good morals will have an easy time resisting temptation.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 08:17 PM (o2lIv)
Thats right. Of course, she doesn't have the spine to jump in and run for POTUS. She'd rather extort money from her cult like followers and run her mouth from the sidelines.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 08:17 PM (UZl30)
http://twitter.com/#!/AceofSpadesHQ
Start around 33 minutes ago or so. He's talking about both the HPV/Perry stuff, then switches to Palin.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 08:19 PM (hIWe1)
1037.....You know, the more I think about Palin going on Fox tonight and taking potshots at all the candidates...
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A feeling of outrage just washes over me every time I hear her talk about "holding these candidates accountable".....while she is keeping herself out of being held accountable for her claims of being soooo conservative, implying that she is the 'one true conservative' to sit in judgement of them all.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 08:21 PM (WrIbP)
Which is why you should check out Ace's Twitter feed right now. It's *very* much on point with this.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 08:22 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: cherry π at September 12, 2011 08:24 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Sgt York at September 12, 2011 08:24 PM (B6nJc)
Posted by: Sgt York at September 12, 2011 08:26 PM (B6nJc)
Posted by: cherry π at September 12, 2011 08:27 PM (OhYCU)
so what is the GOP?
Is it the "Party that wants to Save Social Security!"? Is that what we campaign on? is that the conservative rallying cry "Save Social Security!!!11ty!"?
every one of them up there tonite said they wanted to save social security (space aliens excepted)
is that what we have been reduced to?
do you ever wonder why it seems like we never really win?
this whole episode is a perfect demonstration.
the truth gets beat down worse than Rodney King.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 08:28 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 08:28 PM (TMB3S)
Because Karl "Sarah Palin is an unelectable joke" Rove and her are such good friends, right?
Nah, I think Palin is just trying to keep Perry from running away with the nomination. Because once he wins it (if he wins it), she no longers matters one iota. She becomes completely irrelevant. So now she'll bolster Michele Bachmann as a way to prolong the race.
Of course that might just end up electing Mitt Romney. Which would actually be okay with me (this is the nice thing about preferring one candidate but not hating the other), but whatever. Anything to prolong Palin's moment in the sun.
Selfish bint.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 08:29 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: cherry π at September 12, 2011 08:29 PM (OhYCU)
Just like Sarah Palin remembered it tonight? As a non-candidate merely dumping shit on the people who are actually in the arena, merely to continue getting her name in the headlines?
Yeah, fuck the 11th Amendment.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 08:30 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 08:30 PM (hIWe1)
I'm beginning to waver on Perry myself (and I've always liked Romney), but I don't really understand what you mean by this.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 08:31 PM (hIWe1)
Judging by tonight's debate, I don't think even Perry knows what Perry is all about.
Posted by: Sgt York at September 12, 2011 08:33 PM (B6nJc)
Posted by: cherry π at September 12, 2011 08:35 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 08:37 PM (TMB3S)
ummmmmm...no....because Rove is a manipulative strategist. And I wouldn't put it past him to pass along some advice to someone in Palin's "camp" that it would somehow be in her best interest to attack Perry.
Which would have been unnecessary, since Perry's crashing and burning in the debate.
Posted by: Sgt York at September 12, 2011 08:37 PM (B6nJc)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 08:39 PM (BJNwZ)
If we are going to judge leadership skills and wisdom levels by how well someone does in a dumbshit debate format....then we will continue to get leaders who are not really leaders.
A guy like Perry is hamstrung in a debate with his fellow conservatives.....because his killer instinct does not come out against them.
Did you see how he walked up to the others on the stage and said "Hi fellas" and then shook their hands?
Perry has said several times now of the other candidates that "they are all good people and any one of them would be better than who we have now".
I haven't heard any of the other candidates say that.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 08:39 PM (WrIbP)
It's not that hard. Look at Perry's recored, not just what he got passed but what he fought for before getting slapped down by a legislature more conservative than he is.
Mr. Super Conservative from a super conservative sate ain't all that conservative.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 12:37 AM (TMB3S)
i can smell them, lol
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 08:41 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Dave S. at September 12, 2011 08:43 PM (UvR6d)
>>>Mr. Super Conservative from a super conservative sate ain't all that conservative.
You might just be able to get me to cross over to the dark side unless Perry can put together a good debate performance or two the next time out. I'm less concerned about the ideological issue you raise than you are, especially vis-a-vis Romney, who seems like a government tinker par excellence as well. (I'm actually NOT one of those people who looks at Romneycare and thinks "STONE HIM!" but doesn't it represent a very similar sort of government-interventionist approach as that you bang Perry with?)
What I'm concerned with at this point is electability. And I will say that Romney has impressed me in one way or another every single time he's gone out there on the stage at these debates. He would smoke Obama to ashen cinder if they shared a stage.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 12, 2011 08:43 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Sgt York at September 12, 2011 08:44 PM (B6nJc)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 08:47 PM (TMB3S)
If Texas had a similar policy regarding Americans who don't live in Texas I might be less chagrined about it though.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 12, 2011 09:35 PM (TCyyS)
That's what this law is. Texas reduced tuition fees for all bordering states - so if you live in New Mexico, for example, you pay the same fees Texans do. I wish Perry would do a better job explaining this. He was talking about it on Mark Levine and that's how he explained it. Also, regarding the illegals, they don't get subsidized tuition, they just have the opportunity to pay the lower in-state tuition fee.
Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak at September 12, 2011 08:49 PM (8DdAv)
Seems to me Dr. Paul needs to be a bit more careful in his lunacy.
Also, did anyone else catch Huntsman, of all people, criticizing Perry for saying he (Perry) DIDN'T want to secure the border? Right or wrong, it seemed to me that Perry was talking about securing the border in a particular way, NOT that he didn't care about securing it at all.
To be honest, yeah, this year's field is better than last time. At the same time, I fret if this is a "good" field. But that's what we get, on both sides of the aisle, these days.
the sinner,
Patrick
Posted by: Patrick at September 12, 2011 08:51 PM (Mfc9p)
Posted by: Odysseus at September 12, 2011 08:53 PM (VbQ1q)
Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak at September 13, 2011 12:49 AM (8DdAv)
on principle, why should they even get that? they aren't here legally, all emotional sob-stories aside, all they should get is a ride to the border.
why even have laws if we aren't going to enforce them?
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 08:53 PM (m6OUa)
1069......He barely squeaked by.
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Because he didn't attack his fellow conservatives with the same visciousness that they attacked him with?
Perry is an honorable man....and seems to be trying his best to get through this primary without breaking Reagan's 11th, even though he is the one sustaining the lions share of the attacks since he entered the race.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 08:57 PM (WrIbP)
That's just wrong. Perry should have come out of a Tea Party debate with sparkles and moonshots. He barely squeaked by.
Why are people so invested in protecting this clown?
It's actually ok if you disagree with a couple bloggers.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 12:47 AM (TMB3S)
in the end, most would rather have a Savior than the truth... once the group think kicks in principle goes out...
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 09:01 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 09:04 PM (TMB3S)
I want a candidate who can beat Obama.... Perry is the one that the O-machine fears the most.
I'm not buying into the meme that "Obama is toast, anyone can beat him". That is a trap that they are hoping we will fall into.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 09:10 PM (WrIbP)
JackStraw, I tend to see the commenters pushing harder for Perry than Ace or any of the cobloggers, so it's not the blogosphere telling the supporters what to believe--if anything it's echoing what they already believe.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 09:16 PM (vNpDB)
I want a candidate who can beat Obama.... Perry is the one that the O-machine fears the most.
I'm not buying into the meme that "Obama is toast, anyone can beat him". That is a trap that they are hoping we will fall into.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 01:10 AM (WrIbP)
when the truth becomes a trap, we're all doomed.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 09:18 PM (m6OUa)
the problem is that although the rule "you have to have lived here for X" is law it is not enforced, and I'm sorry but a child brought here illegally is still an illegal....
Mexico doesn't allow the inverse.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 09:52 PM (AEIYh)
Yeah, and I think that anchor baby stuff's got to go. Born here but your parents are illegal? Yep, you're not an American citizen. And make that retroactrive, please.
Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak at September 12, 2011 09:18 PM (8DdAv)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 09:28 PM (TMB3S)
look at what happened to the truth about Social Security, Perry and others have stated it, wrote it, said it out loud, but now all of sudden that can't be spoken anymore, why?
that's what that crowd wanted to hear, everytime they got close to saying anything like it, the crowd cheered, they were quite as stones the whole time the panel droned out the Establishment talking points and did you see the crowd, half of them were probably living off S.S.! and they wanted to hear the truth, that it can't go on, that it's not right, they wanted to hear that... this election will be different, if it's allowed to be...
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 09:30 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Paul at September 12, 2011 09:33 PM (DsHk0)
Ace noted days ago that Perry must do bettter in this debate. He did not.
He did worse. He's not going to do better because he is not talented.
Ace screeches at Palin because he foolishly tied his own credibility to Perry.
Palin understands the narrative is controlled in the post debate spin, so she'll shape her message, and deflect that of her rivals, from that vantage as long as possible.
Its not mean or unfair, its just smart. And she owes Perry nothing. Quite the opposite, actually.
It is Ace and Perrywankers generally who have made the serious error of judgment.
Your sputtering indignation waxes musically.
Posted by: njinfl at September 12, 2011 09:35 PM (M2X9r)
Posted by: Paul at September 12, 2011 09:37 PM (DsHk0)
Posted by: Paul at September 13, 2011 01:37 AM (DsHk0)
respectfully, i disagree.
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 09:39 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 12, 2011 09:39 PM (vNpDB)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 09:42 PM (TMB3S)
Don't think it's that so much as Palin looks really REALLY bad after what she did tonight...
...I'm not as angry about it as Ace seems to be...but my respect for her - politically - is gone. And she will have to do a LOT to win it back. What she did tonight was dirty politics for a potential candidate. If she remains some sort of political commentator then she can be forgiven...but doing what she did during the debate was still a bit nasty.
Posted by: Sgt York at September 12, 2011 10:05 PM (B6nJc)
Posted by: christine at September 13, 2011 12:52 AM (UE+Pv)
Palin stood alone against Obama when pols like Perry were taking Porkulus money to balance their state budgets.
She is far and away the single most responsible figure for the Republican reversal of fortune in '10.
And you critics remember nothing, appreciate nothing, and hey, that's politics in a political season.
But Palin has done nothing to warrant such hatefulness. You are attempting to deflect attention from the now obvious fact the blind embrace of Perry for president is a foolish and embarrassing mistake, on display for the entire blogosphere.
The corrective to that mistake is not to trash Palin.
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