October 18, 2011
— andy Please, for all that is good and holy, make it stop!!!
Back to CNN this time, but with Anderson Cooper moderating instead of Wolf Blitzer. I'll take "Who is Gloria Vanderbilt" for $200 please, Alex.
Starts at 8:00pm Eastern. Livestream here
The usual suspects minus Huntsman are participating. He just got done with a New Hampshire town hall. Allegedly.
Drinking game:
- Do a shot every time someone other than Herman Cain says "9-9-9".
- Every time someone says "Occupy Wall Street" shout "Get a job you smelly hippies!" and drink 99% of whatever you have in your cup.
Standard reminder: Your comments do not automatically display. So don't ask "Why aren't my comments displaying?" They don't display.
They're not posted comments a la chat room. Instead they go to queue, which the producers (cobloggers) read, and we post them, by hand, if we think they make a good point.
Liveblog thingy below the fold.
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Posted by: steevy at October 18, 2011 03:48 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Barnie's Frank in Freddie's Fannie at October 18, 2011 03:50 PM (XBEWJ)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 03:50 PM (niZvt)
In the last debate, Perry didn't make any gaffes, but neither did he impress. He did not seem eager to speak at all, and seemed to want the spotlight to pass to others.
What if this is Perry's strategy? Didn't he hire a bunch of particularly smart folks to run numbers and studies of past elections before he jumped in? It seems like there was something here about it.
What if, knowing both the fickle nature of the electorate and that, statistically, anyone will screw up royally if given enough time in the spotlight, he's sitting back and waiting?
What if he's waiting for Cain to play out, thereby leaving only two real possible candidates between which tremendous disparity can be found?
In any other year, I would say it's a damn smart strategy but, this year, we find ourselves with a shortened calendar and the first primary is like, tomorrow.
Perry is not stupid. Not by a long shot. He's also not lazy.
If my guess is right, and he's been laying low, tonight is the night he's going have to kick it into gear. Otherwise, his goose is cooked.
I have argued for states such as Florida holding earlier primaries in order to offset states such as Nevada (fer Chrissakes!) picking our candidate, but if the speculation by some here holds true, that the establishment is pushing it to keep Perry out, well they (the establishment), too, may be expecting Cain to take a dive and Perry to surge once again.
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 03:50 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 03:52 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 03:53 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 03:54 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 03:54 PM (h+qn8)
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Ain't gettin' a third chance. I'll read about the disaster tomorrow.
Posted by: Minutman (who used to be trainer) until Juggy is Gone at October 18, 2011 03:55 PM (DGxyd)
Posted by: ParisParamus at October 18, 2011 03:56 PM (jzm8w)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 03:56 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 03:56 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 03:56 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Chareles Johnson at October 18, 2011 03:57 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: Barnie's Frank in Freddie's Fannie at October 18, 2011 03:57 PM (XBEWJ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 03:57 PM (i6RpT)
Cooper: My first question is for Gov. Romney. Are you and you're wife still coming over for dinner and cocktails at my house tomorrow night?
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 18, 2011 03:57 PM (oG5pm)
Posted by: Jon Huntsman at October 18, 2011 03:57 PM (z81NF)
Why does everyone keep asking me for money?
Posted by: alexthechick
lol. Er, I think they're offering you money.
Posted by: Retread at October 18, 2011 03:58 PM (K4w62)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 03:59 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:00 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:01 PM (i6RpT)
I would totally watch that.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 18, 2011 04:02 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Retread at October 18, 2011 04:02 PM (K4w62)
Posted by: USS Diversity at October 18, 2011 04:02 PM (aD5Kx)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at October 18, 2011 04:02 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:03 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 04:03 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 18, 2011 04:03 PM (ze29X)
to latePosted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:03 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:04 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 18, 2011 04:04 PM (eqMgH)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at October 18, 2011 04:04 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:04 PM (h+qn8)
With an early primary season the multi-candidate debates will wind down quickly.
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 04:05 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:05 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Willy at October 18, 2011 04:05 PM (gDszm)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:05 PM (i6RpT)
Nah, he's just a bad debater, and 15 million dollars says he is definitely not cooked. He'll hang on in the early primaries. THAT will be his make or break time.
Posted by: Max Power at October 18, 2011 04:05 PM (q177U)
I reached the point about two years into Bill Clinton where I could not stand to watch him or hear him. For Obama, the shut-off happened after about six months.
For Romney, I'm there already.
I'll read the liveblog after. Meanwhile, a good spy novel awaits.
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at October 18, 2011 04:05 PM (4sQwu)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 04:06 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 04:06 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 04:06 PM (ucs8Y)
what happens in vegas stays there.
at least that is what we're promised.
next Mr Cain, how many mexicans did you want to electricute today?
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:06 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Willy at October 18, 2011 04:07 PM (gDszm)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:07 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Willy at October 18, 2011 04:07 PM (gDszm)
:!3)?.!.!,'bdnfn!!!
Eleventy!!;?:!;Posted by: Bachmann at October 18, 2011 04:09 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:10 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:10 PM (i6RpT)
That is NOT the real Anderson Cooper. You can see the blurry line at his edges. Definitely green screened in.
Posted by: Max Power at October 18, 2011 04:11 PM (q177U)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:11 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:11 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:12 PM (niZvt)
We have come to return our kinsman Ronpaul to the MotherShip.
Posted by: Thorg & Beltron at October 18, 2011 04:12 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:13 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Max Power at October 18, 2011 04:13 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 04:13 PM (JM2AX)
112 Is Michelle In the Navy?
I guess she's wanting us to picture her as Commander in Chief? .....Bleah.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 18, 2011 04:13 PM (eqMgH)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:14 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Old Ma Romney at October 18, 2011 04:14 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 04:15 PM (mmHDH)
Posted by: Maaaaaaaaav'rick! at October 18, 2011 04:15 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 08:14 PM (h+qn
If only she was as beautiful as she was intelligent...wait...oh god, no!
Posted by: Max Power at October 18, 2011 04:15 PM (q177U)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 08:15 PM (h+qn
Maybe he can whip out his race card again?
Posted by: Max Power at October 18, 2011 04:16 PM (q177U)
Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at October 18, 2011 04:17 PM (/cd9u)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:17 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 04:18 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 18, 2011 04:20 PM (Qjh0I)
Pre-Debate prayer: Please God, I know he can govern, I know he can. Please do not let Rick Perry blow it this time.
Catch you on the flipside.
Posted by: Ace Tomato at October 18, 2011 04:20 PM (7p/J4)
Posted by: Gary Johnson's Internal Dialogue at October 18, 2011 04:21 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 04:21 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: BUTandthatsabigBUT at October 18, 2011 04:21 PM (/cd9u)
I would kill for a Friday night debate!
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 04:21 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:21 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Willy at October 18, 2011 04:22 PM (gDszm)
Posted by: BUTandthatsabigBUT at October 18, 2011 04:23 PM (/cd9u)
New programming algorithms.
Posted by: nickless at October 18, 2011 04:24 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Cain Economic Advisors John and Yoko at October 18, 2011 04:25 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 04:25 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 04:26 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: Bereans43 at October 18, 2011 04:26 PM (ASjv/)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:26 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 18, 2011 04:26 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:27 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 04:27 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:27 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nickless at October 18, 2011 04:27 PM (MMC8r)
China can't even compete with China's low wages any longer.
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 04:27 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:28 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Bereans43 at October 18, 2011 04:28 PM (ASjv/)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 04:29 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:29 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: Damned ePub at October 18, 2011 04:29 PM (J04yS)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:30 PM (niZvt)
Someone needs to do what Santorum is doing. Romney has been unchallenged about Romney care long enough.
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 04:31 PM (w3YD7)
Yeah Mitt, America can compete with China's low wages. Idiocy.
So much of the cost of doing business is excessive taxation and eco-fiend nonsense. Get rid of those two factors....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:31 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 04:32 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Willy at October 18, 2011 04:32 PM (gDszm)
Someone needs to do what Santorum is doing. Romney has been unchallenged about Romney care long enough.
Enter Newt....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:33 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: Bereans43 at October 18, 2011 04:33 PM (ASjv/)
When does Chris Christie get his chance to speak? It's like Anderson Cooper is ignoring him!
Posted by: Barnie's Frank in Freddie's Fannie at October 18, 2011 04:34 PM (XBEWJ)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 18, 2011 04:34 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 04:34 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 04:35 PM (mmHDH)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:35 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 04:35 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:35 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 04:35 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 04:36 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:36 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 04:36 PM (JM2AX)
BingoPosted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:36 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 18, 2011 04:38 PM (5fL8b)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:38 PM (eOXTH)
A vote for Cain is a kick in the nads to every fuckin race baiting asshole from the CBC to Jackson Sharpton
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 04:38 PM (I/MzF)
But I do like the Romney attacks.
Are you kidding?! This is the best so far!
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 04:38 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Heartlandvoter at October 18, 2011 04:38 PM (AkFx3)
paid my quarter and only Romney
any consensus if Perry is improving? The thought of Romney congratulating the SCOFMF next year makes me want to barf hairballs.
Posted by: mallfly at October 18, 2011 04:40 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:40 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: PayBack at October 18, 2011 04:40 PM (ucERL)
Yes Ron Paul is good here
If we lived in a world where foreign policy did not matter, I think we would all be Ron Paul fanatics. Unfortunately, we don't.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:40 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:40 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:40 PM (eOXTH)
yeah
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:41 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Willy at October 18, 2011 04:42 PM (gDszm)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:42 PM (eOXTH)
Bush, Dole,Bush, Bush, McCain, Mitt.
Reminds me of "Stripes".
"I'm not socialist, but I'm willing to learn."
Posted by: redclay at October 18, 2011 04:42 PM (TclA7)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 18, 2011 04:42 PM (1cUr7)
That's it. I am totally not voting for that smarmy bastard Romney.
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 04:43 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:43 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:44 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:44 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Willy at October 18, 2011 04:44 PM (gDszm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:45 PM (niZvt)
Sorry but I can't take 4 years of another Texas retard
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 04:45 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 04:45 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 18, 2011 04:45 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: nickless at October 18, 2011 04:45 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:46 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Max Power at October 18, 2011 04:46 PM (q177U)
Bullshit! The "party bosses" need to go the fuck away.
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 04:46 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:46 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:46 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 04:48 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:48 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 04:48 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 04:48 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: BUTandthatsabigBUT at October 18, 2011 04:48 PM (/cd9u)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 04:48 PM (mmHDH)
Posted by: Van Gogh epub at October 18, 2011 04:48 PM (qXcfI)
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 04:48 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 04:49 PM (JM2AX)
A border fence from Brownsville to San Diego is insanity.
Oh really? Why is that? Of course it would have to be manned and patrolled.....
That said, essentially 700 miles of the most urbanized and / or least arid parts are most critical to fence
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:49 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: Willy at October 18, 2011 04:49 PM (gDszm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:49 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Ronster at October 18, 2011 04:50 PM (/ej8I)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 04:51 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: HondaV65 at October 18, 2011 04:51 PM (Wm6n5)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 04:51 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:51 PM (eOXTH)
Bachmann is looking more and more like Casey Anthony. And acting like a crazed woman.
Bachmann needs to bow out, endorse the most Tea Party candidate, and go take on Senator Soviet Stuart Smalley in Minnesocold. She culd be useful there.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:51 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:52 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:52 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:52 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 04:52 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:52 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 04:53 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 18, 2011 04:53 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 04:53 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:54 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 18, 2011 04:54 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:54 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:55 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Spiker at October 18, 2011 04:55 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: nickless at October 18, 2011 04:55 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:56 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: redclay at October 18, 2011 04:56 PM (TclA7)
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 04:56 PM (I/MzF)
Pick Newt for vp.
ACK! Newt could be an advisor policy wonk, but the skeletons are literally bulging at his closet door....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:56 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 04:56 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 04:56 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 04:56 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 18, 2011 04:57 PM (Z71Vg)
Whhoooo hoooo tell me how that fence is gonna keep me in I need to buy another dirt bike and mount an AK on it
Bachmann was right, double fencing, with an anti-vehicle trench in the middle, would work.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:57 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 04:57 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 08:56 PM (GZitp)
right no more, no less.
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 04:57 PM (h+qn8)
Where are we getting the billions and billions to build a fence that they will just climb over or break? Perry is smarter on the border than anyone else. Just flippiantly saying build a fence does nothing but pander.
ACK! Obviously we would have to man it and patrol it too, but *any* physical barrier would help. Period. Ask the Israelis, or go searching for what they have built on their borders.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 04:58 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 04:59 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 04:59 PM (niZvt)
Perry booed. Santorum booed.
Cant beat Romney in a debate, so they think resorting to anger, screaming and filibustering will work. Fail.
Posted by: Winning at October 18, 2011 04:59 PM (JuHsj)
Pick Newt for vp.
ACK! Newt could be an advisor policy wonk, but the skeletons are literally bulging at his closet door....
We need Newt chairing the RNC.
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 04:59 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 05:00 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 05:00 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:00 PM (w3YD7)
Bachmann was right, double fencing, with an anti-vehicle trench in the middle, would work.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 08:57 PM (w7K7d)
And landmines. Everyone always forgets the landmines. When liberals want to ban them, you know they have a useful purpose.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 18, 2011 05:01 PM (GKQDR)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:01 PM (i6RpT)
Perry is sunk - No way could he go up against the SCFOAMF, hell .....he couldn't even debate Harry Belafonte taking a newscast nap!
Posted by: Cat at October 18, 2011 05:01 PM (x0PlF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:02 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Spiker at October 18, 2011 05:02 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:02 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:02 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 05:02 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 18, 2011 05:03 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:03 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 05:03 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:03 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Perry at October 18, 2011 05:04 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:05 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:05 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 18, 2011 05:05 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 05:06 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: Brett at October 18, 2011 05:06 PM (VuyhW)
Yucca Falls is safe and built already. Bunch of worms- all of them.
Very true. To the tune of lots of money.
Posted by: Ronster at October 18, 2011 05:06 PM (/ej8I)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:06 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 09:05 PM (niZvt)
Bravo.
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 18, 2011 05:06 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:06 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:07 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Mook at October 18, 2011 05:07 PM (eP5IM)
Didn't we already put all the nuclear waste in Detroit?
It would just make them stronger. How about San Francisco?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 05:07 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 05:08 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Willy at October 18, 2011 05:09 PM (gDszm)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 05:09 PM (eOXTH)
Ack. Much as I want Romney taken down, Perry and Santorum looked like dicks when they tried....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 05:09 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:10 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Spiker at October 18, 2011 05:10 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 05:10 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 18, 2011 05:10 PM (1cUr7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:10 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 18, 2011 05:11 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: ombudsman at October 18, 2011 05:11 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:11 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 05:11 PM (mmHDH)
Posted by: Brett at October 18, 2011 05:12 PM (VuyhW)
Posted by: ombudsman at October 18, 2011 05:12 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 05:13 PM (JM2AX)
Ennnnddd the Fed...ddduuudesss!
Given how Bernacke is turning the dollar into funny money, is that *really* such a bad idea? The OWS commies just don't want the next logical step--a gold standard.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 05:13 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 05:14 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 18, 2011 05:15 PM (azHfB)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 05:15 PM (mmHDH)
Romney is the only one focused on Obama, staying above Anderson's Cooper's attempts to get the GOP to administer self-inflicted wounds. The rest are suckers.
Posted by: Winning at October 18, 2011 05:15 PM (JuHsj)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 05:16 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:17 PM (i6RpT)
cooorash. but this isn't what they are crying about at OWS they want more of a free ride. the answer is impossible sorry!
so while you can be sympathetic to peoples plight, asking hte gvt to do more, is crazy! they'll fk it up.
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 05:17 PM (h+qn8)
Are we sure Romney will be the one to tear Obama apart in a debate? I think Newt might be better at it. He is arrogant and funny. Romney is arrogant and thin skinned. Not to mention off putting.
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:17 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: Winning at October 18, 2011 05:18 PM (JuHsj)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 05:18 PM (h+qn8)
What the hell are we SUPPOSED to do with nuclear waste.
Dump it in the ocean. We might get some real interesting creatures out of the depths.
Posted by: Ronster at October 18, 2011 05:19 PM (/ej8I)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 05:19 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: AC 6969 at October 18, 2011 05:19 PM (1cUr7)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or Submit at October 18, 2011 09:14 PM (tHnoW)
I don't think I've seen such an epic crash and burn. He doesn't want it. He's this cycle's Fred Thompson....If you'll give it to me with minimal effort, I'm your boy. If I have to contest the damned thing... not so much
Posted by: ombudsman at October 18, 2011 05:19 PM (AxHOT)
You don't really have to, just keep him on the defensive.
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 05:20 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:20 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:20 PM (i6RpT)
The director held up the boo sign.
Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 18, 2011 05:20 PM (3qZxU)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:20 PM (w3YD7)
Romney focuses. Keeps it above the fray, and on Obama. The rest are Anderson Cooper's monkeys.
Sadly, Romney the RINO is doing just that. But if you think a "Winning" RINO is really winning for us, I don't know what to tell you.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 05:21 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 18, 2011 05:21 PM (azHfB)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 05:21 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:22 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:23 PM (i6RpT)
Perry is awful. He had to blow the dust off that stupid deal with Romeny's lawn crew and then couldn't let it go. Nobody gives a shit about Romney's lawn crew--it was and still is beyond stupid. Perry is unprepared and inept.
Go ahead and cheer for this numbnuts--he's all yours.
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 18, 2011 05:23 PM (puy4B)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 05:23 PM (i9cTu)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:24 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 18, 2011 05:24 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Winning at October 18, 2011 05:24 PM (JuHsj)
I can be bought. What's the going rate?
Posted by: toby928© at October 18, 2011 05:25 PM (GTbGH)
They turned him loose.. and he proved he should be kept on a short lease..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 18, 2011 05:25 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Winning at October 18, 2011 05:25 PM (JuHsj)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 05:25 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:26 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:26 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:27 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 05:28 PM (i9cTu)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:28 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 18, 2011 05:28 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 05:28 PM (mmHDH)
Shooting ourselves in the head is exactly what the Fed wants us to do.
Gingrich for wise old man of the GOP!
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 18, 2011 05:29 PM (1cUr7)
Stop being suckers for Anderson Cooper's games.
As opposed to the MSM game of making Romney the "most electable" candidate and then crushing him after the convention is over. See McCain, John.
Why are you letting the MFM pick our candidate?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 05:29 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 18, 2011 05:29 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: Steph at October 18, 2011 05:29 PM (k1tnZ)
Posted by: BUTandthatsabigBUT at October 18, 2011 05:30 PM (/cd9u)
Posted by: Ron Paul at October 18, 2011 05:30 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:30 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 05:30 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 05:30 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 05:31 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 05:31 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:31 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 18, 2011 05:32 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:32 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:33 PM (niZvt)
It'll be probably be all over by January, and Thank God... I can't take this crap anymore. And any more of these performances, and the GOP nominee won't be able to be elected dogcatcher.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 09:32 PM (niZvt)
Nah, he was hurt a little tonight. Cant be good for his constant 25%
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 18, 2011 05:33 PM (R//sd)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:34 PM (niZvt)
You'd think he'd at least read Hotair in his spare time or something... just to know some of the damned names.
LOL.. no shit.
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 18, 2011 05:34 PM (Z71Vg)
Anderson Cooper just wants to get out of there for some of what stays in Vegas.
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 18, 2011 05:34 PM (VZyOx)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:34 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: hardcider at October 18, 2011 05:34 PM (3BtXI)
Posted by: redclay at October 18, 2011 05:34 PM (TclA7)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 05:35 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:35 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 18, 2011 05:35 PM (3qZxU)
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at October 18, 2011 05:36 PM (/VMLD)
I wish Newt was the man he appears to be. I'm from Georgia, and we know better. Smart as he is, he couldn't be elected to a warm bucket of spit.
Exactly. For all his speaking and mental brilliance, he makes Rudy Giuliani look free of personal problems in comparison.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 05:36 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 05:36 PM (i9cTu)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:37 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: toby928© at October 18, 2011 05:37 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 18, 2011 05:38 PM (1cUr7)
Posted by: hardcider at October 18, 2011 05:38 PM (3BtXI)
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 18, 2011 05:38 PM (VZyOx)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:38 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:39 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 05:40 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 05:40 PM (mmHDH)
Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 18, 2011 05:40 PM (3qZxU)
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 18, 2011 05:40 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:40 PM (w3YD7)
Next debate: Epaulettes and a silver glove!
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 05:40 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:40 PM (i6RpT)
Romney is the only plausible option on the stage.
Posted by: Winning at October 18, 2011 05:41 PM (JuHsj)
Posted by: biblio at October 18, 2011 09:39 PM (NgJPj
Wayne Newton is there too
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 05:41 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: toby928© at October 18, 2011 05:41 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:41 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 05:42 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 05:42 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: Spike at October 18, 2011 05:42 PM (g/arr)
Posted by: GMB who is building his own maginot line at October 18, 2011 05:43 PM (wY55N)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 05:43 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: Steph at October 18, 2011 05:44 PM (k1tnZ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:44 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Ronster at October 18, 2011 05:45 PM (/ej8I)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 05:45 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: KZnextzone at October 18, 2011 05:45 PM (ZUWaD)
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 05:45 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: Willy at October 18, 2011 05:46 PM (gDszm)
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 18, 2011 05:46 PM (ze29X)
I think his numbers will rise after this. Folks needed to see something to give them hope and tonight he stepped it up enough to give a spark.
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 05:46 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 05:46 PM (mmHDH)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:47 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:47 PM (i6RpT)
Romney wins again.. Perry was more aggressive tonight.. but his aggression was stupid.. lawn boys?? WTF?
I love Newt.. I would vote for him in a minute, but he cannot win.
I love Cain, but he cannot defend his 9-9-9 plan.. fail.
Bachmann did well tonight.. but no way she is viable.
Santorum? He's tried to push himself tonight.. but too little too late.
meh.. not really enthused about it.. but Romney's the guy.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 18, 2011 05:48 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 05:48 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: BUTandthatsabigBUT at October 18, 2011 05:48 PM (/cd9u)
Posted by: Ronster at October 18, 2011 05:48 PM (/ej8I)
Posted by: Steph at October 18, 2011 05:49 PM (k1tnZ)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 05:49 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: hardcider at October 18, 2011 05:49 PM (3BtXI)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 18, 2011 05:49 PM (1cUr7)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 05:49 PM (mmHDH)
Perry cannot handle debates or get his ideas across in this format. Too bad because he has done well in Texas and I wanted to like him.
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:49 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: redclay at October 18, 2011 05:50 PM (TclA7)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 05:50 PM (i9cTu)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:50 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:50 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:51 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Spike at October 18, 2011 05:51 PM (g/arr)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:51 PM (i6RpT)
I'm really surprised at how uninformed Cain is on foreign policy....
And time for Gingrich to scold the moderator...
That was bush league at the end...I at least wanted another opportunity to hurl invectives at Paul.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 18, 2011 05:53 PM (1cUr7)
"I think his numbers will rise after this. Folks needed to see something to give them hope and tonight he stepped it up enough to give a spark."
Personally, I believe Perry reached his peak weeks ago. Pity he can't at least take mittens down with his sinking ship.
Posted by: GMB who is building his own maginot line at October 18, 2011 05:53 PM (wY55N)
It goes to the fact that Romney has been soft on illegals. How can that not be relevant?
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 05:53 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 05:53 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 05:53 PM (mmHDH)
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and Credible Commenter at October 18, 2011 05:53 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: jake at October 18, 2011 05:54 PM (EQ9ji)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 18, 2011 05:54 PM (R//sd)
Posted by: TexBob at October 18, 2011 05:54 PM (1KcwA)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 05:54 PM (i9cTu)
Shouldn't we choose our nominee on policy,
not how the MFM plays 120 minutes of teh gey stoopid questions?
Posted by: jake at October 18, 2011 05:55 PM (EQ9ji)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 05:55 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:55 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: derit at October 18, 2011 05:56 PM (FQlFL)
Romney wins? Certainly not in the likability contest. Be interested to see the polls afterwards.
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 05:56 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 18, 2011 09:54 PM (R//sd)
That's because you see only what you want to see.
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 05:56 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Big T Party at October 18, 2011 05:56 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:56 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 18, 2011 05:56 PM (3qZxU)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 05:56 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: sickinmass at October 18, 2011 09:43 PM (1rflU)
Together we thrivetm ??
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 18, 2011 09:44 PM (qjUnn)
Thrive We Much!
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 18, 2011 05:57 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 05:57 PM (i9cTu)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 05:58 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: arcadehero at October 18, 2011 05:58 PM (mmHDH)
I really like Herman Cain, but if I were to vote based on who I think would be the most effective president, I'd vote for that scumbag Newt.
NEWT 2012 -
Sleazeball prez + GOP Congress: shit went pretty well last time we tried that...
Posted by: stickety at October 18, 2011 05:58 PM (FUDwf)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 05:58 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: Kaitian at October 18, 2011 05:59 PM (OWYuW)
So let's ignore it, but let's also ignore Newt's, and get a real fucking conservative in there.
Posted by: grognard at October 18, 2011 05:59 PM (xMJlE)
Every.Single.One.
But he's not going anywhere, so why aren't we looking to records and accomplishments?
Posted by: lu - proud Perrywinkle at October 18, 2011 05:59 PM (FMPcx)
I'd vote for Newt if he is the nominee with no problem. He would still be 1000x better than Obama.
Hell, even Ron Paul would be at least 100x better than Obama.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 05:59 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 05:59 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and Credible Commenter at October 18, 2011 05:59 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 05:59 PM (i9cTu)
Posted by: redclay at October 18, 2011 06:00 PM (TclA7)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 06:00 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: phreshone at October 18, 2011 06:01 PM (T3vCe)
Perry makes Bush look like Cicero. He comes off as a moron - a major league moron.
I don't know what other people are seeing, but Perry has ZERO chance. ZERO.
Posted by: stickety at October 18, 2011 06:01 PM (FUDwf)
Perry comes across dumb and angry and incoherent. But no matter.
We'll get 24 hours of spin just like the last three debates. Then reality will set in that people dont like Perry's bufoonery.
Posted by: Winning at October 18, 2011 06:01 PM (JuHsj)
And at the end of it......MSM: "Valiant Obama Withstands Barrage From Mean Republican White Guy Who Wants to Take Your Healthcare Away From You"
Optics for that 10% who'll decide this stupid election.
Posted by: sunny black at October 18, 2011 06:02 PM (0dyYY)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 06:02 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 18, 2011 06:02 PM (MFBDm)
ok I backed into backing Romney after every anti-Romney guy failed but...WTF. Where has this Rick Perry been? makes me wonder if there's still hope, hmmm
oh and why didnt Bachmann join in on that Romney gangbanging? the woman has obv. sold her soul to him
my analysis?
- Perry did GREAT
- Romney did fine but was def. his worst debate and 1st that prob. hurt him
- Cain will prob take a hit
- Bachmann and Gingrich did fine
- Santorum is still a dick
Posted by: Team Mitt's AuthorLMendez (Ban Curious) at October 18, 2011 06:02 PM (HhCkU)
Because it is his weakness. It says Whoa there! I'm not in this alone and, it makes Romney turn from the issue.
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 06:03 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Kaitian at October 18, 2011 06:03 PM (OWYuW)
I don't know, maybe we're actually listening to the words he's saying rather than allowing ourselves to be hypnotized by Romney's gorgeous hair.
Posted by: Paul Zummo at October 18, 2011 06:04 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 18, 2011 06:05 PM (d6QMz)
If it's Romney vs. Cain alone, Cain wins going away by 20+. Romney gets 20-23% and that's it!
The "other 77%" of us don't want Romney.
Posted by: sunny black at October 18, 2011 06:05 PM (0dyYY)
Am enjoying Sarah's take on matters...would have been interesting to see her in the debates...and in the nightgown competition. Still smokin' hot.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 18, 2011 06:05 PM (1cUr7)
Posted by: Kaitian at October 18, 2011 10:03 PM (OWYuW)
I still do not buy that there will be any debates w/ Obama...he knows he has nothing to run on, corp jets and fatcats bankers on wall street only goes so far.
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 18, 2011 06:06 PM (FIDMq)
Oh I don't know his pretty solid record. How horrible of us to go that route.
Posted by: lu - proud Perrywinkle at October 18, 2011 06:06 PM (FMPcx)
why is ron paul on a GOP ticket!
he is straight libertarian. why doesn't he go libertarian?
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 06:06 PM (h+qn8)
Flapjack is one of those who said he wouldn't vote for Romney if he was the nominee. Of course he thinks Romney sucked.
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 09:59 PM (i9cTu)
um while I agree with you about Flapjack and have called him out various times about that you ain't no picnic w/ the anti-Romney folks either, after all everyone is a troll in your book if they don't back Mitt
Posted by: Team Mitt's AuthorLMendez (Ban Curious) at October 18, 2011 06:06 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Berserker at October 18, 2011 06:07 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 06:07 PM (h+qn8)
If Ron Paul is crazy, and he's been against pretty much everything that has happened politically in this country over the course of the Bush/Obama administrations,
does that make the BUSHBAMA years sane?
Posted by: stickety at October 18, 2011 06:07 PM (FUDwf)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 06:07 PM (i9cTu)
Posted by: Kaitian at October 18, 2011 09:59 PM (OWYuW)
Bullshit. There is 70 points out there up to grabs. Nobody needs Romney's points--they're fighting over those points that Mitt, running for the job for 5 years, STILL cannot get!
Posted by: jimmuy at October 18, 2011 06:09 PM (hROVJ)
Posted by: troyriser at October 18, 2011 06:09 PM (YCeSE)
Posted by: Greg at October 18, 2011 06:09 PM (2w760)
Tonight may have sealed the deal for me for Perry, though Newt is still an option. Cain is just not presidential material, and while I like Santorum on the substance, he's such a whiny bitch. And bragging about election results in PA? Umm, yeah.
Posted by: Paul Zummo at October 18, 2011 06:10 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 18, 2011 06:10 PM (3qZxU)
I guess if we're going to go the "record" route, we should probably ask Bubba Clinton to run GOP this time. Dude had a pretty good record.
FAT LECHEROUS HILLBILLY - 2012
Posted by: stickety at October 18, 2011 06:11 PM (FUDwf)
Posted by: derit at October 18, 2011 06:11 PM (FQlFL)
Posted by: Kaitian at October 18, 2011 06:11 PM (OWYuW)
Romney did fine.
Perry did horribly. He was marginally better than in previous debates, but only because he changed his strategy into that of an attack dog. And a really ineffective attack dog, given the boos he was receiving from the crowd. Still can't speak. What a dud.
Cain's plan was poked full of holes and sunk. He will start to go down in the polls.
No one else turned in a performance that should impact their standing in the polls.
Posted by: The Other Dave at October 18, 2011 06:11 PM (hnoTN)
Posted by: The Sense of an Ending ePub at October 18, 2011 06:13 PM (k/8uh)
Tonight may have sealed the deal for me for Perry, though Newt is still an option. Cain is just not presidential material, and while I like Santorum on the substance, he's such a whiny bitch. And bragging about election results in PA? Umm, yeah.
Posted by: Paul Zummo at October 18, 2011 10:10 PM (AcrIN
Wha?! b..but you don't have a heart if you don't cave to mexicans!
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 06:13 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and Credible Commenter at October 18, 2011 06:13 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at October 18, 2011 06:14 PM (AcrIN)
I thought he was angling for a Vice Presidency, but now I think he's the one.
He can run circles around O'Bama.
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 18, 2011 06:15 PM (UK3qx)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 06:15 PM (ucs8Y)
Mitt rhymes with shit. Coincedence? Nope.
He'll not be out of the 25%. Romney people are thinking what they thought they saw.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 18, 2011 06:15 PM (R//sd)
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 06:16 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: redclay at October 18, 2011 06:16 PM (TclA7)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at October 18, 2011 06:16 PM (AcrIN)
And a really ineffective attack dog, given the boos he was receiving from the crowd. Still can't speak. What a dud.
and Ron Paul got cheers, who is stuffed into a debate room doesn't show support. I was expecting a pro-Romney crowd seeing as it's Nevada, a mormon state where Romney's been polling weel though the NV Guv has supported Perry
Posted by: Team Mitt's AuthorLMendez (Ban Curious) at October 18, 2011 06:17 PM (HhCkU)
Yes, but Perry even pissed me off with his semi-bigot accusations.
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and Credible Commenter at October 18, 2011 06:17 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 06:17 PM (i9cTu)
Perry gives millions to illegals on a state wide scale
Romney hires a mexican lawn guy
LMFAO
Perry is toasted burrito burger
Posted by: Sonnyspats at October 18, 2011 06:17 PM (I/MzF)
I was talking to my mother-in-law about this. She's from TX, though not a Perry fan necessarily. She even thinks this is a non-issue. No one really attends TX state schools from out of state, and most of the people in TX really think this is no big deal.
Posted by: Paul Zummo at October 18, 2011 06:18 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: Team Mitt's AuthorLMendez (Ban Curious) at October 18, 2011 06:18 PM (HhCkU)
I read it as not quite as loathsome as people think, but still, I wouldn't have him babysit my kids.
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and Credible Commenter at October 18, 2011 06:18 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 18, 2011 06:20 PM (UK3qx)
Posted by: cackfinger at October 18, 2011 06:20 PM (a9mQu)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 06:22 PM (i9cTu)
Posted by: Back To Neutral AuthorLMendez (Ban Curious) at October 18, 2011 06:22 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 18, 2011 06:22 PM (UK3qx)
Romney and Gingrich are clearly the best debaters. Unfortunately, staring at either one of them for more than 6 seconds gives me an urge to punch somebody in the baby-maker.
Cain is far, far, more likeable. Plus, I don't buy the now "conventional wisdom" that it's somehow more conservative to have a really complicated tax code that confiscates your money BEFORE you ever get a chance to spend it. Call me crazy, but I'd rather pay a 9% sales tax than have the government steal more money from other people using the threat of force and an IRS audit.
Ron Paul may be "crazy," but sometimes you need a "crazy" guy to point out how "crazy" the sane people truly are. If I drink enough beers, I get very, very close to just saying, "Bring home the troops. Audit the Fed. Buy Gold. Vote Ron "motherf**king Paul." Then, he goes and blames America for Muslim men having small penises, and he loses me.
F**k it. Vote Herman Newteous Paul in 2012.
Posted by: stickety at October 18, 2011 06:23 PM (FUDwf)
Posted by: Havedash at October 18, 2011 06:24 PM (JfvbF)
haha i hear you.
i guess i'll wait until everyone else kills each other off then vote for who is left standing. except paul
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 06:24 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 18, 2011 06:25 PM (vahvH)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 18, 2011 06:25 PM (UK3qx)
What was the topic? Oh yeh. The stupid debate. I looked at the stupid "liveblog" and saw a stupid cow, eating stupid licorice at stupid night....
Sh*t. I'm going back to Scotch.
You know, the Bruchladdich "Organic" is actually pretty good. Worth te price if you are hammered anyways..................Also, Herman Cain is everybody's grandpaw. He's a good guy, G-d bless him. Nobody would vote for him: he's incoherent. Die for him, sure. More than that POS POTUS in the house. Vote for him? Fk off. Nobody.
Posted by: HiHo, half hammered at October 18, 2011 06:25 PM (JBxSm)
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 06:25 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 06:25 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at October 18, 2011 06:27 PM (AcrIN)
I thought he sounded rattled at times, especially when he was appealing to Anderson Cooper about the debate rules. He should have just pushed-through with his point.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 18, 2011 06:27 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 18, 2011 06:27 PM (UK3qx)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 18, 2011 06:28 PM (vahvH)
Definitely Newt for VP if Cain wins.
Newt as third VP choice with Romney if El Capitan Rubio and Cain passes.
Disappointed in Perry. Wish I had abetter sense of how Romney would govern with a large house majority but slim senate majority. His only experience was with a stacked far left Massachusetts SCFOaMF's.
One of the nice things you can say about Mitt is, he always has a plan, does his homework, and never quits swinging. Policy aside at least in that way he is different from McCain. Mitt does have some thin skin (Obvious Mommas Boy like SCFOaMF) after the left starts attacking him relentlessly I am starting to think he will turn more and more against them. There was some precedent with that in MASS he just had no group of non lefties to form up with. At least that's my best hope at this late hour.
In 2016 lets all vote that only Newt moderates the debates.
Posted by: Shiggz at October 18, 2011 06:29 PM (I9fXA)
I sure hope that Rick Perry never, at any point, had a gardener, a nanny, a maid, any sort of domestic servant, or anybody else working for him in any capacity at any time whose immigration status was anything less than squeaky clean.
'Cause what I heard Mister Have-a-Heart essentially say tonight is that anyone who has ever employed a lawn care company (as probably half the households in this country do) that, in turn, employs illegal alien contract labor (as probably nearly all of said companies do, especially in places like, oh, Texas) without checking up on the legality of every person that company hires every single week is a hypocrite who has no business speaking out about illegal immigration.
Speaking of "hypocrisy", I don't want to hear about it coming from a guy who wants to hand favorable college tuition rates to the children of the people who were cutting Mitt Romney's lawn, to say nothing of the candidate who repeatedly and glaringly refuses to disassociate himself from a fundamentalist bigot who hates Mormons, Catholics, and who knows how many other groups.
Next.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 18, 2011 06:29 PM (LEbgU)
That's gonna leave a mark.
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 18, 2011 10:25 PM (vahvH)
THIS! A really telling slip up. Spoken like the true sleeze he is.
Posted by: Havedash at October 18, 2011 06:30 PM (JfvbF)
Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 18, 2011 06:31 PM (3qZxU)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 06:31 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 06:31 PM (i9cTu)
Cain learns quickly, he does have a lot to learn, not ready yet
romney is already polished . but i believe obama wouldn't mind taking him on.
santorum, he's alright.
bachman did better, liked some of her answers
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 06:32 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 18, 2011 06:32 PM (UK3qx)
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 18, 2011 06:32 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: Louis Natale at October 18, 2011 06:32 PM (E/M6Q)
we can machining the parts used in Industrial equipments, Marine equipments, Automotive, Shipbuilding, Hydraulic tools, Pumps, Valves, machinery, Medical devices and Home appliances, Petrochemical Equipment, Construction Machinery, Aviation Equipment, Industrial Connector and Communications Equipment.
Posted by: bsdbsn at October 18, 2011 06:33 PM (ACm1b)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 18, 2011 06:33 PM (niZvt)
Romney was flustered but he still won. It helps that he's surrounded by fools and non-starters, of course.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 18, 2011 06:34 PM (LEbgU)
Posted by: The Other Dave at October 18, 2011 06:34 PM (hnoTN)
You can put someone forward with a chance to undo some of the total walleyed stunned bannanaisms of the current ever expanding executive arm of the govt or you can piss and squeak about purity.
Personally, I want the Dems to be so desperate that they re-invent themselves into something resembling a responsible party that the Republicansfinally take notice and reform themselves into something that respects the constitution.
Posted by: HiHo, half hammered at October 18, 2011 06:36 PM (JBxSm)
Maybe not, and I like Herman Cain's ideas for fix'n them. I lke thowinj' away the atx codes. But.
Newt is the guy who will make O'Bama look like a fool...
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 18, 2011 06:36 PM (UK3qx)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 18, 2011 06:37 PM (PT1fe)
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 18, 2011 06:37 PM (ze29X)
Wouldn't that be the Texas Legislature paying?
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and Credible Commenter at October 18, 2011 06:37 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Shiggz at October 18, 2011 06:38 PM (I9fXA)
-RIP Mitt Romney
Check and mate. You're done. Buh-bye. Perry might have gone after Mitt a bit much with the illegal hire, but Mitt stepped right into it.
Posted by: sunny black at October 18, 2011 06:38 PM (0dyYY)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 18, 2011 06:41 PM (UK3qx)
Posted by: sunny black at October 18, 2011 06:41 PM (0dyYY)
Posted by: Winning at October 18, 2011 06:42 PM (JuHsj)
Posted by: The Other Dave at October 18, 2011 10:34 PM (hnoTN)
His policies. His record of monster job creation, reducing debt and cutting spending, which are the most critical issues for the US right now.
He is good on the stump and in interviews.
Posted by: stace at October 18, 2011 06:42 PM (lYlx9)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 06:43 PM (ucs8Y)
Exactly. Aside from the stupidity of the attack (which was already hashed over in 200
, Perry acknowledges a position of weakness by doing stuff like this. I think that a major reason even Newt is outpolling him is that Newt refuses to take the bait of the moderators and dive into the cesspool of internecine warfare.The irony is that otherwise, this was probably his strongest debate yet (not saying much, but still). He now has a core issue to drive home (economic recovery by way of massive domestic energy production); it's a very good one and of all the candidates up there he's easily the one to make it with the most credibility.
Perry definitely got under Romney's skin during the exchange between them tonight; unfortunately it was over an issue he has the least credibility on and came away with the attack having blown up in his face.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 18, 2011 06:43 PM (LEbgU)
Posted by: sunny black at October 18, 2011 06:44 PM (0dyYY)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 18, 2011 06:44 PM (0DGtF)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at October 18, 2011 06:44 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 06:45 PM (i9cTu)
That shit irritated me too. At least with that ankle-biting twerp Santorum it was justified (someone should have told that dude to STFD and STFU long ago), but during the exchange with Perry it got obnoxious.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 18, 2011 06:47 PM (LEbgU)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 18, 2011 06:49 PM (i9cTu)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at October 18, 2011 06:50 PM (AcrIN)
Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 18, 2011 06:52 PM (3qZxU)
Da,m man, Romney's supporters do seem desperate to advance the 'Perry's dead, it's too late' meme.
Posted by: Entropy at October 18, 2011 06:53 PM (dn7cw)
and polynikes is still a dick what a suprise/s
War has some interesting points but I guess we'll have to see what the polls say. maybe Perry did hurt himself more then I thought but from what I saw I think he did great (but then again I never saw Cain being a frontrunner either).
btw why the fuck do we care what Palin has to say anymore? i'm sorry but seriously she gets too much enjoyment shitting on the candidates
Posted by: Back To Neutral AuthorLMendez (Ban Curious) at October 18, 2011 06:53 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Entropy at October 18, 2011 10:53 PM (dn7cw)
I think there's some panic, I think some have made legitimate points that Perry's agressiveness might actually be worse then we think, and there's one Romneybot on here that i'm convinced is working for the Romney campaign as an astroturfer but to be fair that may be just my paranoia.
Posted by: Back To Neutral AuthorLMendez (Ban Curious) at October 18, 2011 06:55 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Peaches at October 18, 2011 10:55 PM (/ybwc)
he woke up. he either started a comeback tonight or put the final nail in his coffin, the polls will show the answer to that.
Posted by: Back To Neutral AuthorLMendez (Ban Curious) at October 18, 2011 06:57 PM (HhCkU)
Oh, good, that's good, Undead. Makes me breathe a little easier. Thank you for your analysis.
Posted by: Peaches at October 18, 2011 06:58 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 07:00 PM (ucs8Y)
GOOD! And thank you so much for responding (I know I'm late to the party). Debates aren't his thing, but as I have said like a broken record, debating skills are not even in the top 10 for being the Preznit. Let's hope it's a comeback. I really like the guy.
Posted by: Peaches at October 18, 2011 07:00 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at October 18, 2011 07:01 PM (jeLTI)
debating skills are not even in the top 10 for being the Preznit.
But they ARE at or near the top of the list for WINNING the presidential election, both the primaries and against Obama.
The guy's polling behind Huntsman in New Hampshire right now. I mean, seriously?
Posted by: The Other Dave at October 18, 2011 07:02 PM (hnoTN)
I think he did well enough to keep himself alive. But his only realistic path to the nomination is for Cain to implode and the rest of the field to drop out. He's just squandered too much goodwill to easily see how he comes back.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 18, 2011 07:03 PM (LEbgU)
Posted by: Hidajunshin at October 18, 2011 07:03 PM (MVVJU)
"I'm running for office, for pete's sake. We can't have illegals!"
-Mitt
That pretty much sums it up my friend.
Posted by: sunny black at October 18, 2011 07:04 PM (0dyYY)
His response to that stuck with me more than Perry's recycled attack about hiring illegals. I think it's because Romney is usually so cool and collected. It will be interesting to see how it affects both men in the polls.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 18, 2011 07:06 PM (d6QMz)
Steph @530:
I'm at the point, I don't give a shit who Newt is screwing, has screwed or will screw. Put him in a debate against deWon, please God.
THIS.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 18, 2011 07:06 PM (F0o5k)
Posted by: cackfinger at October 18, 2011 07:06 PM (a9mQu)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 07:06 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at October 18, 2011 07:07 PM (i4gLS)
redclay@557:
I wish Newt was the man he appears to be. I'm from Georgia, and we know better. Smart as he is, he couldn't be elected to a warm bucket of spit.
Want to explain a little further? Newt looks pretty damn good to me at this point.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 18, 2011 07:08 PM (F0o5k)
perry debating skippy...one on one(instead of being in a large field of candidates) would set the republican party back 50 years....
i`m all in on gingrich...i want to see obama stunble off the stage after 2 hours of being throttled by newt...remember,the msm won`t be cutting our guy any slack.......
Posted by: russ hines at October 18, 2011 07:11 PM (GkHqV)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 07:11 PM (ucs8Y)
This is why Perry's debate performances have hurt him so badly. We look at his performances and we see a guy who is unsteady and unsure, and who at times doesn't even seem to want to be in this. When asked his position on specific matters of policy he says "I'll roll that out later" (tonight was the second time in a week he's done this). He clearly wasn't prepared to run for president, and he doesn't seem prepared to BE president. Cain has sucked up most of his support because, lousy tax ideas or no, he projects all the confidence and enthusiasm that Perry lacks.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 18, 2011 07:12 PM (LEbgU)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 07:13 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at October 18, 2011 07:13 PM (TCyyS)
I've never seen Romney that rattled before. Dude turned BRIGHT red. Don't know if it was embarrassment or anger; I'm going with anger, since I doubt Romney's capable of embarrassment.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 18, 2011 07:14 PM (LEbgU)
Jesus christ.
Please take note: "Immigration is Perry's weak spot". If you repeat it enough it must be true. He can't possibly attack Mittens on that, even though Mittens is worse on that, and everything else too.
It's very clear that most Romney voters don't even take Cain seriously enough to consider.
We'll see if they're right about either. Wishing doesn't make it so. The field is not really bad at all. People need to quit bitching.
Posted by: Entropy at October 18, 2011 07:16 PM (dn7cw)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at October 18, 2011 11:13 PM (TCyyS)
Yeah, and then we will have another President who isnt articulate enough to defend himself, his administration or the conservative cause. Great!
Posted by: Elize Nayden at October 18, 2011 07:17 PM (i4gLS)
Posted by: Intercontinental Ballistic Railroad at October 18, 2011 07:20 PM (O8eoG)
And by January the debates will have all but been forgotten as well. Perry just needs to continuing raising cash and hit the streets.
You do realize that there are like umpteen more debates between now and Super Tuesday?
Also, the Newt and Pelosi thing happened several years ago. Not exactly an accurate comparison given the amount of time that has passed.
Posted by: The Other Dave at October 18, 2011 07:21 PM (hnoTN)
He tried to pull both a Ronald Reagan ("I'm paying for this microphone, Mr. Green!") and Al Gore (getting into opponent's space) response during that exchange and neither worked. I know that's a matter of style over substance but I was surprised.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 18, 2011 07:25 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: cackfinger at October 18, 2011 07:26 PM (a9mQu)
Seems like yesterday to me.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at October 18, 2011 07:26 PM (TCyyS)
I'm kinda there, too, man. Just had to fify.
Posted by: Peaches at October 18, 2011 07:27 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 18, 2011 07:28 PM (d6QMz)
Anderson Cooper
Obamas Campaign
Iran
Joe Biden
Disillusioned leftists
Losers
Conservatism
The Constitution
American Republic
I think LSM and CNNs succeeded beyond their highest hopes to disillusion conservatives and make a bunch of awesome clips to use against republicans during the general. Obama couldnt have choreographed this any better.
Posted by: Shiggz at October 18, 2011 07:28 PM (I9fXA)
Seriously, did CNN fuck romney over?
Did they screw with the filter and color shift his closeup??
Because I do not think a human being is suppose to be that shade of red.
Posted by: Entropy at October 18, 2011 07:29 PM (dn7cw)
Chi-Town Jerry @ 625:
I love Newt.. I would vote for him in a minute, but he cannot win.
Why not? Doesn't that depend a lot on us, the GOP grassroots who get out there and walk precincts and man telephone banks, etc? I for one will eagerly volunteer hundreds of hours for Newt's campaign next year.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 18, 2011 07:29 PM (F0o5k)
Posted by: cackfinger at October 18, 2011 07:32 PM (a9mQu)
Posted by: intractable at October 18, 2011 07:33 PM (ZJ57G)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 07:33 PM (ucs8Y)
Like Cain is taking the Romney 08 path. (before the mavericky Palin surprise mitt was the expected VP)
Posted by: Shiggz at October 18, 2011 07:34 PM (I9fXA)
Posted by: cackfinger at October 18, 2011 07:35 PM (a9mQu)
Perry's getting better. I think he did well tonight. Gingrich is making ammends and winning people back. Cain's still there.
Shit ain't over yet.
Posted by: Entropy at October 18, 2011 07:37 PM (dn7cw)
I was reminded of nothing so much as Dana Carvey doing Ross Perot. ("Can I finish, Larry? Can I finish? Can I finish? Can I finish?")
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 18, 2011 07:40 PM (LEbgU)
9-9-9 is a piece of shit.
Posted by: packsoldier at October 18, 2011 07:44 PM (jMmrk)
Salad bar debates are old and busted. Red Meat debates are the new bloody hotness. Conservatism is exciting again.
Uncle Ron wept. Thou shall not speak ill of a fellow republican.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 18, 2011 07:47 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 18, 2011 07:48 PM (d6QMz)
LOL, that too.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 18, 2011 07:49 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: cackfinger at October 18, 2011 07:49 PM (a9mQu)
I honestly don't give a fuck what any of those people have to say at the moment, not because everything they say is worthless -- even Paul is right on some things -- but because none of them are going to be the nominee. It's gonna be one of the top four, and probably Romney or Newt. Let's start the main fucking event already.
Posted by: holygoat at October 18, 2011 07:51 PM (2ptZ1)
@699:
oh and why didnt Bachmann join in on that Romney gangbanging? the woman has obv. sold her soul to him
Which is utterly sickening, since, for all her flaws, she really was the leader of the anti-Obamacare movement all through 2009-10.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 18, 2011 07:52 PM (F0o5k)
Posted by: cherry π at October 18, 2011 07:56 PM (OhYCU)
Which is utterly sickening, since, for all her flaws, she really was the leader of the anti-Obamacare movement all through 2009-10.
I think it was a group effort, though there are certain lawmakers who stand-out more than others. Some of them talked about the numbers, others about the moral and ethical ramifications, still others about how it would affect the economy, and some who did all three.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 18, 2011 07:58 PM (d6QMz)
Be still, my heart! Actually, love everything you said, cackasaurus (mwah!). Red meat, baby! I can't believe I missed this one. I didn't want to, but life got in the way. sadface
Posted by: Peaches at October 18, 2011 08:03 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: cherry π at October 18, 2011 11:56 PM (OhYCU)
Yes, cherry pie, that can happen. Even a broken clock, etc. The cure, if you are actually worried, is to go to a place where you will encounter Luap Nor enthusiasts. Trust me, you will run screaming from the room and never have this moment of uncertainty again. These people are batshit crazy. Just like their uber-nut-bag. You'll be fine.
Posted by: Peaches at October 18, 2011 08:06 PM (/ybwc)
He's the one guy I know will kill Barry in the debates.
Aside from Romney none of these people can speak coherently. WTF???
Posted by: Iblis at October 18, 2011 08:09 PM (5Lneh)
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 18, 2011 08:12 PM (d6QMz)
@707:
Am enjoying Sarah's take on matters...would have been interesting to see her in the debates...and in the nightgown competition.
But only if we get to see Paul Ryan in the gym shorts competition.
Posted by: Naughty old lady at October 18, 2011 08:13 PM (F0o5k)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 08:14 PM (GZitp)
Is Ron Paul actually trying to win the nomination, or just show people he's Ron Paul and he's still here?
Iran Contra? Forget about a lot of his ideological views being nutty. What kind of political acumen does the guy have? Does he think trashing Ronald Reagan is a good way to get support in the primaries?
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 18, 2011 08:17 PM (0DGtF)
Posted by: Shiggz at October 18, 2011 11:28 PM (I9fXA)
Yeah, kinda what the LSM did to Ronald Reagan when he was running against Carter. I remember, they all thought Reagan was so stupid and said really, really stupid stuff that they constantly played all the stupid stuff on the nightly news, obviously thinking that Americans would be just guffawing over this idiotic Republican fool. I'll never forget Walter Cronkite saying, "I can't believe the American people have done this" (or somesuch) and was actually crying.
If Obamy and his ilkettes want to use this same tactic, I say, okay by me. It'll just keep the rest of us fired up.
Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak at October 18, 2011 08:19 PM (8DdAv)
It kind of pales against "I'm for a nuclear Iran" and "let's start shit about assassinating an American citizen (member of Al Quaeda)"
Bat.
Shit.
Crazy.
Posted by: Peaches at October 18, 2011 08:20 PM (/ybwc)
863 I think that theory is going to be put to the test in the not-so-distant future. You might be right, although it's not the only reason Newt looks good. He looks good mostly because he delivers really good answers confidently and coherently. Do you think Mittens gives a flying rats ass about Rick Santorum or John Huntsman (or Bachmann at this point)? Me either.
Posted by: holygoat at October 18, 2011 08:21 PM (2ptZ1)
Berserker @714:
I asked myself this. If it was the1760s-1770's, who on the stage could have sold the idea for American independence?
OUCH.
Unfortunately, Paul Ryan, Sarah Palin and Allen West were not on that stage.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 18, 2011 08:22 PM (F0o5k)
Churchill was a washed up loser with huge baggage until WWII.
Is Newt our Winston Churchill?
Nah. Probably not.
Posted by: frankly at October 18, 2011 08:24 PM (Zs0/+)
Sorry, I don't think you could fluster Newt with a Claymore at this point. I think he is the honey badger candidate.
Posted by: Peaches at October 18, 2011 08:25 PM (/ybwc)
Of all the candidates and possible candidates, who would the enemies of the U.S. fear the most?
All I come up with are Sarah Palin, Allen West and John Bolton -- none of whom are in the race.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 18, 2011 08:27 PM (F0o5k)
Doubt it, quite a few weeks till the next debate and Newt will have fallen of the radar again by that time. These debates are the only thing giving him and the other non-entities exposure. That ain't enough to pick up enough support in this kind of campaign.
Posted by: lowandslow at October 18, 2011 08:31 PM (GZitp)
Romney is establishment so he's a pushover for "talks" and "negotiation" while our enemies arm themselves to the teeth and send their proxies to kill us.
Newt's smart but no balls.
Bachmann's got NO cred as a ruthless bitch so she's out.
Perry's a successful Governor but that's management.
Like someone above said the only folks that would strike caution in our enemies aren't in the race.
Posted by: Valar Morghulis at October 18, 2011 08:31 PM (cA6/i)
Posted by: cherry π at October 18, 2011 08:34 PM (OhYCU)
Perry's making me cringe every time he opens his mouth. Ditto Bachmann. The shrill "I'm a woman" crap got old fast.
And Santorum keeps forgetting that we know he got killed by Casey.
Cain's heart is in the right place, but he's not doing his homework. He's acting like he can coast now that he's put out 999.
Posted by: Iblis at October 18, 2011 08:36 PM (5Lneh)
@759:
Mitt showed his true colors:
“You can’t have any illegals working on our property; I’m running for office for Pete’s Sake. We can’t have illegals.”
That's gonna leave a mark.
I was wondering if anyone else had noticed that!
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 18, 2011 08:42 PM (F0o5k)
@831:
Yeah, and then we will have another President who isnt articulate enough to defend himself, his administration or the conservative cause. Great!
You make a very, very good point. One of the reasons Bush set conservatism back so far was that he would never defend himself and his ideas. It was so frustrating to see the MSM and Dems be slandering him constantly, and he just kept taking it, like a punching bag.
We really do need a conservative president who will speak articulately and often and educate the American people. I've read so many articles lately about how the reason something like OccupyWallStreet can attract so much sympathy -- the reason so many young people hate America and are completely clueless about what makes an economy, and a society, work -- is that we've had 40+ years of dumbing-down and leftist indoctrination going on in the schools and media.
Many commentators have rightly said that several generations worth of societal damage is going to take several generations to correct. We will not turn this huge ship around with one presidential election. We are in it for the long haul, and the first step in this long journey is to start educating people about those "first principles" that have gone ignored for so long.
That is a process that must involve everyone from the president and his or her bully pulpit right on down to parents sitting at the dinner table with their kids.
All of which is to say, if we're going to save America, we DO need a President who will use that bully pulpit often, and eloquently.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 18, 2011 09:05 PM (F0o5k)
Problem with that is it's collectivist. If a family is the most basic unit of society, what of the rights of the individuals in that unit? What end are they abrogated or subordinated towards? Who directs this unit? What of independent men and women who have left home but started no families of their own? Or perhaps have lost theirs entirely? Are these people disposable by society?
Problem is, the notion of family is malleable. A family can vary in size and shape and structure because families themselves are malleable. We are born into families and eventually start our own. The family you're born into will cease to be, you will create a new one and that one will cease to be. Families are, in other words, inconstant. They grow and change and break apart in various and assorted ways.
The individual, on the other hand, is constant. You are born. You are a person. You have God given rights that will not change. You have a mind of your own you can use to decide your own fate, up to and including, when you're a grown man, whether or not you will be a part of a family. A man will grow and evolve but his basic condition does not change, it will be the same from the day he's born until the day he dies.
I don't wish to understate the importance of families, but to reject individualism is simply antithetical to what makes this nation as great as it is. I reject, as a philosophical matter, any candidate who opposes individual rights, and the protection and security thereof, for any elected office.
I had to say it. back to the ONT for me.
Posted by: Robert at October 18, 2011 09:06 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Zone One ePub at October 18, 2011 09:27 PM (CMu5e)
Is Newt our Winston Churchill?
Nah. Probably not.
Posted by: franklyNewt could claim my vote if he did two things:
1 ) Repudiate all catastrophic variations of AGW, the expansion of government in the name of AGW, and reiterate the demonstrable fact that prosperity and a dynamic economy are the wellsprings of conservation.
2 ) Apologize for backing Dede Scuzzafloppa, explain why the endorsement was wrong, and solemnly swear upon his own grave that he will never endorse any liberal ever again.
3 ) Admit he never read Paul Ryan's plan, apologize for intimating that the plan is 'right wing social engineering,' explain why our mixed economy is in such a mess due to real, left-wing engineering, and donate all of his wife's Tiffany swag to the Paul Ryan for Veep 2012 Fund.
That should pretty much do it. I'm not demanding or anything.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 18, 2011 09:59 PM (LHi9T)
Many recall this issue from Romney's last campaign. He actually knew these folks were illegals. The stories were talking about these Guatamalans working 11 hour shifts on Romney's mansion's landscape. They didn't speak English. Mitt would say 'buenos dias' to them. The contractor was a prick about documentation, and Romney and he were friends from church. The guy had contracts with government as well.
Romney was informed of the problem, said he's never let it happen again, and indeed did nothing to prevent it happening again. It's hard to see how he didn't suspect they were still illegals, when you think about these folks working 11 hour days for crap wages, but hey, what do I know?
Perry is very strong on immigration, if you care about border control. His only weak point is something Perry's state wanted and Perry couldnt have stopped (though I admit he's defended it and owns the issue).
The only way to show people that Perry isn't soft on illegal immigration is to dramatically criticize someone else over it. That's a shame, but that's how it works these days. He's got a good record on it, and many didn't give a flip.
Posted by: Dustin at October 18, 2011 10:28 PM (fF625)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 19, 2011 12:41 AM (vahvH)
Posted by: lowandslow at October 19, 2011 12:31 AM (GZitp)
By then, Cain will have been exposed as not only a foreign policy neophyte, but as a foreign policy neophyte with a totally misguided economic plan. Newt will be the last refuge for conservatives and the ABR vote. Maybe Perry can mount a comeback, but I don't see it. No, debate skills are not the most important thing a President needs, but he needs some to get elected, and Perry has absolutely no debating chops. He's terrible, and he's the only guy running whose lunch Obama would pack in a debate. He's the worst I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Posted by: holygoat at October 19, 2011 04:42 AM (2ptZ1)
My gut is trusted... Mitt nearly had a fart that wasn't. Never had a gteat or any real trust in Mr.AGW,crap&trade finger in the wind who also wears high-water mom jeans (see TH in Iowa) .Disingenuous we much !! ?
Posted by: Pete & NeoRomney only does things for HIS sake at October 19, 2011 08:26 AM (bRKhy)
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Posted by: alexthechick at October 18, 2011 03:47 PM (Gk3SS)