December 10, 2011
— andy Looks like it's Newt's turn as Not Mitt for this one. Which is ironic as hell, given that they're both slightly-smaller-big-government (at best) technocrats. The biggest difference between the two appears to be that Mitt doesn't blurt out every dumb idea that passes through his brain while Newt shouts them from the mountaintops.
Oh, well. At least they're both Not SCOAMF.
If the shoddy state of the race is enough to leave you wanting a second look at Huntsman, you'll have to wait. He didn't make the cut for tonight's debate, which begins at 9pm Eastern. That's "9", as in "9-9-9", which also won't be on stage.
The debate, which will be moderated by ABC’s Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos, takes place on the campus of Drake University in Des Moines — in a state where voters will gather less than a month from today to kick off the process of selecting the Republican nominee.To watch, tune into any ABC television station across the country or log on for a live-stream on ABCNews.com, Yahoo.com, MyABC5.com, and DesMoinesRegister.com. And look for special coverage and analysis tomorrow on “This Week” with Christiane Amanpour.
Sawyer and Snuffalufagus, huh? Amanpour must've been too busy filling out her Careerbuilder profile to complete the ABC trifecta of suck tonight, but at least you can join her tomorrow for what will hopefully be among the last of her turns as host of This Week.
Dear ABC,
That is all.
Sincerely,
Everyone
OK, on with the master debaters. Here are some suggested drinking words:
- China
- Ethanol
- Mandate
- Subsidy
- Federal Reserve (by anybody but Herr Doktor Paul)
- Silver dimes
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Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2011 08:51 PM (wkIsS)
Because shut up.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 10, 2011 04:52 PM (0Bdvc)
Nah! It's the DNC A Team at the helm.
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 10, 2011 04:52 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2011 04:52 PM (wkIsS)
See. It is racism. I told you. And you all sit here calling me nuttier than a fruitcake.
Posted by: Glenn Beck at December 10, 2011 04:52 PM (OVQHV)
Keep me informed.
Or not.
I don't care about debates at this point.
Wake me when Code Pink is in charge.
That should be fun.
Posted by: Pecos, Perry in a blaze of Glory at December 10, 2011 04:55 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 04:56 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Retread at December 10, 2011 04:57 PM (ALZZ7)
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 04:58 PM (Qxe/p)
Not me.
I want him to smile and gut them like Mack the Knife.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 04:59 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 04:59 PM (e6MoS)
/is there any chance that Herr Doctor Ron will just freak out at one of these things? Will someone have to cart him off to the funny farm? That would be worth watching.
Just saying.
Posted by: shibumi at December 10, 2011 05:00 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 10, 2011 05:00 PM (0Bdvc)
Why does the debate look like the Wheel of Fortune set?
I know Vanna White and Diane Sawyer is no Vanna White!
Posted by: Pat Sajak at December 10, 2011 05:00 PM (OZf3C)
Posted by: Willy at December 10, 2011 05:03 PM (PlLjX)
Posted by: jaimo at December 10, 2011 05:03 PM (Egjpf)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 05:03 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: robtr at December 10, 2011 05:03 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2011 05:04 PM (Yq9sl)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 05:06 PM (GZitp)
Now I got it cookin on the double screen. AoSHQ and abc live feed. fuck KOMO 4
Posted by: robtr at December 10, 2011 05:06 PM (MtwBb)
BTW, can you imagine the outcry if Karl Rove was moderating a Democrat debate? But no-one thinks a prob w/Steffi moderating a GOP debate...Or hosting a "news" program. Good grief.
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:07 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 05:08 PM (GZitp)
I find that distracting and have no clue what the hell he was talking about.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 05:09 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 05:09 PM (1Q9fA)
Posted by: jaimo at December 10, 2011 05:10 PM (Egjpf)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:10 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:11 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 09:10 PM (GZitp)
That would be pretty hard since the OWS want government completely in control of Wall Street, and he was specifically speaking against that.
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 05:12 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 05:12 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:13 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:13 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 05:13 PM (1Q9fA)
I have a headache already. Not sure I can make 2 hours.
Shut up Diane Sawyer, stop asking for something the aren't going to give you. Why doesn't she ask Obama how many jobs he thinks he can create in 4 years.
Posted by: jaimo at December 10, 2011 05:13 PM (Egjpf)
Posted by: logprof at December 10, 2011 05:14 PM (P1nni)
Posted by: Avi at December 10, 2011 05:14 PM (bOZ4l)
She acts like a condescending old school teacher.
Posted by: jaimo at December 10, 2011 05:14 PM (Egjpf)
You say that every debate, JJS! And every day on this blog, in fact...
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:15 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 05:15 PM (1Q9fA)
Posted by: Willy at December 10, 2011 05:16 PM (PlLjX)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 10, 2011 05:17 PM (21lBC)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 05:18 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: logprof at December 10, 2011 05:18 PM (P1nni)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:18 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: sTevo at December 10, 2011 05:19 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Cicerokid at December 10, 2011 05:19 PM (OZf3C)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:20 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 05:20 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 05:20 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 05:20 PM (1Q9fA)
Posted by: jaimo at December 10, 2011 05:20 PM (Egjpf)
Posted by: logprof at December 10, 2011 05:21 PM (P1nni)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2011 05:21 PM (jDY0R)
The forum was not a partisan (GOP) event, so I gather there were some pointed questions from the left.
Posted by: Y-not at December 10, 2011 05:22 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Avi at December 10, 2011 05:22 PM (bOZ4l)
Posted by: chunky at December 10, 2011 05:22 PM (5CbqA)
Posted by: stillers at December 10, 2011 05:22 PM (gVUg0)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 10, 2011 05:23 PM (21lBC)
And Gingrich just eviscerated him.
With some applause.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 05:24 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 05:25 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:25 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: rabidfox at December 10, 2011 05:25 PM (k5deO)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 10, 2011 05:25 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: MDH3 at December 10, 2011 05:26 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 05:26 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 10, 2011 09:25 PM (MMC8r)
Yea, but shouldn't he be getting coffee for Bill Clinton or somethin'?
Posted by: jaimo at December 10, 2011 05:26 PM (Egjpf)
So NYU is offering a course in OWS headed by Professor Duggan whose research includes “lesbian and gay studies,” “queer historiographies” and “constructions of whiteness in the United States.
David Thompson discusses the comedy of the matter here
http://tinyurl.com/7pr6rum
Posted by: Shiggz - Newt (Warp 7) at December 10, 2011 05:26 PM (RfvTE)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2011 05:27 PM (q93mY)
Paul says Newt not a conservative. Paul is no conservative.
Posted by: Willy at December 10, 2011 05:27 PM (PlLjX)
Posted by: MDH3 at December 10, 2011 05:28 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:29 PM (xbrnB)
Paul says Newt not a conservative. Paul is no conservative. "
I believe, you are gay, sir.
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 05:29 PM (2CxXN)
Posted by: chunky at December 10, 2011 05:29 PM (5CbqA)
Posted by: MDH3 at December 10, 2011 05:29 PM (GKyUC)
They might have to call TKO after the 5th question.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 05:30 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:30 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Ron Beldar Paul at December 10, 2011 05:31 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 10, 2011 05:31 PM (0Bdvc)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2011 05:31 PM (q93mY)
Dude.
Posted by: Indianapolis Colts at December 10, 2011 09:28 PM (GTbGH)
--Hey, you're already getting Luck!
Posted by: Kansas City Chiefs at December 10, 2011 05:31 PM (P1nni)
Give your Newt cheerleading outfit a rest, I could give a fuck about Romney.
Newt is getting killed out there, wishing it wasn't so doesn't change.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 05:32 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 05:32 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: chunky at December 10, 2011 05:34 PM (5CbqA)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:34 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 05:34 PM (HHJFp)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 10, 2011 05:35 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 10, 2011 05:36 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:36 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:37 PM (xbrnB)
Romney is the one getting gobsmacked.
Also kicked in the nuts.
And they're stepping on his fingers.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 05:38 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 05:39 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: Minuteman at December 10, 2011 05:40 PM (qs9G3)
Posted by: Minuteman at December 10, 2011 09:40 PM (qs9G3)
Ditto
Posted by: raykon at December 10, 2011 05:41 PM (P1nni)
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 05:41 PM (HHJFp)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:41 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 10, 2011 05:42 PM (0Bdvc)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 05:43 PM (niZvt)
"In order to make coverage more accessible, Congress must do more, including passing legislation to: establish a national health insurance marketplace by giving individuals the freedom to shop for insurance plans across state lines; provide low-income families with $1,000 in direct contributions to a health savings account, along with a $2,000 advanced tax credit to purchase an HSA-eligible high-deductible health plan; make premiums for these plans tax deductible; provide tax rebates to small businesses that contribute to their employeesÂ’ HSAs; extend and expand grant funding to high-risk pools across the country; and require anyone who earns more than $50,000 a year to purchase health insurance or post a bond."
~Newt Gingrich, 2007
Posted by: Miss'80s at December 10, 2011 05:44 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 05:44 PM (1Q9fA)
I use the term "winning" loosely.
Newt has the best composure. Which is really odd, because we all know he's unstable on a good day.
I rate Perry #2.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 05:44 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2011 05:46 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: TypicalWhitey at December 10, 2011 05:47 PM (xeVap)
The way this is going, that might be uttered if they all quit attacking each other.
I expect Newt will put it in historical terms.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 05:47 PM (Qxe/p)
I loathe that man.
I used to feel that way. Now I find him a useful idiot because he's the only one who can land the low blows on Romney without being accused of being a religious bigot.
Posted by: Y-not at December 10, 2011 05:49 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 05:50 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: huerfano at December 10, 2011 05:50 PM (7wEgI)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:50 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 05:51 PM (e6MoS)
Newt was uncomfortable and I think Perry seems very comfortable.
Strange night!"
Probably Perry is channeling God...
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 05:51 PM (HHJFp)
Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 10, 2011 05:52 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Ron Paul at December 10, 2011 05:52 PM (vtty2)
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 05:53 PM (1Q9fA)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 05:54 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 09:54 PM (niZvt)
Funny. As. Hell.
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 05:55 PM (e6MoS)
I feel it comin
In heartness
It sets in
Whos to say where the wind will take you?
U2?
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 05:55 PM (HHJFp)
Posted by: Pecos, Perry in a blaze of Glory at December 10, 2011 05:55 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: chunky at December 10, 2011 05:56 PM (5CbqA)
Posted by: Big T Party at December 10, 2011 05:56 PM (hC5jI)
Unfortunately Michelle Obama is not available tonight.
Posted by: Oh SNAPS! at December 10, 2011 05:56 PM (TCyyS)
It's less fun than you may imagine
Posted by: the ex-caliph of God, Marwan ibn al-Hakam at December 10, 2011 05:56 PM (6GvAC)
Posted by: Paula Deen’s Southern Cooking Bible ePub at December 10, 2011 05:56 PM (vxc16)
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 05:56 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 05:57 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: newser at December 10, 2011 05:58 PM (1xIZZ)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 09:54 PM (niZvt)
I doubt it. Even 300 lbs women have standards (I hope)
Posted by: Ma Bell at December 10, 2011 05:58 PM (uVuwp)
fify
Posted by: Y-not at December 10, 2011 05:58 PM (5H6zj)
Can someone summarize it for me?
How about Perry. How has he been doing?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 05:58 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 05:58 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Big T Party at December 10, 2011 06:00 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2011 06:00 PM (GABSP)
Maybe Perry got confidence from that veterans forum earlier today. CNN reported that he got the largest round of applause of any of the three and a half (the "half" being Michele's husband who attended in her place) candidates there.
Posted by: Y-not at December 10, 2011 06:01 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Pecos, Perry in a blaze of Glory at December 10, 2011 06:01 PM (2Gb0y)
Perry: enforce the laws on the book..finally. I've been waiting one someone to say this.
Posted by: Willy at December 10, 2011 06:02 PM (PlLjX)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:02 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Pecos, Perry in a blaze of Glory at December 10, 2011 06:02 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: Barack Obama at December 10, 2011 06:03 PM (deaac)
Posted by: Conservative Purists for Zombie Ronald Reagan at December 10, 2011 06:03 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:03 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:06 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Ron Paul (TM), a product of Ron Paul Industries, Ron Paul, proprietor at December 10, 2011 06:06 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:07 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Pecos, Perry in a blaze of Glory at December 10, 2011 10:02 PM (2Gb0y)
Stolichnaya makes bleach?
Posted by: Cicerokid at December 10, 2011 06:07 PM (OZf3C)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:08 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 06:08 PM (E20dI)
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 06:08 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: chunky at December 10, 2011 06:08 PM (5CbqA)
--OH, SNAPP--WE NEED A BOMB-THROWER!!
KICKASS, NEWT, KICK ASSSSS!!!
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:09 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Big T Party at December 10, 2011 06:09 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 06:10 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Pink Floyd at December 10, 2011 10:07 PM (qjUnn)"
Stupido
Listen
FREEEEEE DDDDD OOOO MMMMMMM
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 06:10 PM (E20dI)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 06:10 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 06:10 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: soothie at December 10, 2011 06:11 PM (DlaLh)
Posted by: Ron Paul (TM), a product of Ron Paul Industries, Ron Paul, proprietor at December 10, 2011 06:11 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 06:12 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 06:12 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Minuteman at December 10, 2011 06:13 PM (qs9G3)
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 06:13 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 06:13 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Big T Party at December 10, 2011 06:13 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Willy at December 10, 2011 06:13 PM (PlLjX)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 06:13 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 10:08 PM (GULKT)
FIFY, with elaboration.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 06:14 PM (D+phB)
Just came in, and Perry is looking and sounding good.
Still hope, or too little too late?
Between 'not Romney' and Newt making folks very nervous, a successful governor who occasionally is imperfect is going to look pretty good.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 06:15 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Willy at December 10, 2011 06:16 PM (PlLjX)
Posted by: Ben at December 10, 2011 06:16 PM (UvdzB)
Get the hook for Santorum and Bachmann.
Paul's huffed one bad vagina too many.
Posted by: Zimriel at December 10, 2011 06:16 PM (6GvAC)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 10:13 PM (piMMO)
He was saying there were only 2 options the president should have had retrieve or destroy. And he took a third option and did niether.
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 06:16 PM (GULKT)
HOLD FAST
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at December 10, 2011 06:17 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 06:17 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: We are so fucked in 2012 at December 10, 2011 06:17 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: the gas pipe at December 10, 2011 06:18 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 10, 2011 06:18 PM (21lBC)
That exchange WAS the debate. Period.
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:18 PM (xbrnB)
I think you're safe. But I think he comes in second.
No offense.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 06:18 PM (Qxe/p)
I'm less concerned about the type of drone vs the technology falling into the hands of foreign powers. A predator drone flying around Iran could be a problem, though.
Posted by: Willy at December 10, 2011 06:18 PM (PlLjX)
Posted by: We are so fucked in 2012 at December 10, 2011 10:17 PM (TCyyS)
I want to find the people you're pretending to be and do things to them Mike Tyson would find revolting.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 06:19 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: sTevo at December 10, 2011 06:19 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: This message brought to you by the people who gave us John McCain at December 10, 2011 06:19 PM (TCyyS)
I love him even if he had slipped up.
Without the benefit of a teleprompter, he would still look like the national spokesperson for Toastmasters standing next to Obama.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 06:19 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:20 PM (xbrnB)
I know what you mean. I think this may become a three man race yet though.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 06:21 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 06:21 PM (1Q9fA)
Posted by: This message brought to you by the people who gave us John McCain at December 10, 2011 10:19 PM (TCyyS)
Should the abomination 2012 come to pass, the Moron Horde should band together and do things to these people that make Mengele go "I thought I was hardcore, but damn, y'all...draw a line once in awhile".
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 06:22 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 06:22 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: toby928© at December 10, 2011 06:23 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 06:24 PM (E20dI)
Posted by: soothie at December 10, 2011 06:24 PM (KwX0v)
What?!
It's in the 40s outside, my old house leaks like a sieve, and my thermostat is set at 64 deg.
Hell, if it was set at 78 deg it's would be too hot to sleep. Especially if I were sleeping next to, her.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 06:24 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 06:25 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Ron pauls' eyebrow at December 10, 2011 06:25 PM (PlLjX)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 06:25 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 10, 2011 06:26 PM (21lBC)
Posted by: jaimo at December 10, 2011 06:27 PM (Egjpf)
Posted by: toby928© at December 10, 2011 10:23 PM (GTbGH)
Whose? If you mean Perry's, yes, as they're considered more formal than the workaday button-down. The higher and wider semi-spread point collar allows for more knot options beyond the four-in-hand, such as the half-Windsor, which is what it looks like Perry wears. He's been by far the best dressed male candidate this year. You'd think the gays would come running, but nope.
/I know this shit, yet am nowhere near the 1%. FML
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 06:27 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at December 10, 2011 10:27 PM (tHnoW)
Well now who doesn't know what drone is what? Predator drones were only for surveilance and some were eventually retrofitted for attacks. All the drones made now specifically for offensive action are Reaper drones not Predators.
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 06:30 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Big T Party at December 10, 2011 06:30 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 06:30 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 06:31 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 10:21 PM (1Q9fA)
There will be no debates. Especially if Newt is the nominee. Obama's minions will go on the news, chuckle and say that the president concedes the debates to Newt, freely acknowledging that he's a master debater (and yes, they will use those words and Anderson Cooper will repeat it and giggle).
And Obama won't pay a price for it. Not a big one, anyway. Old precedents are swept away with The One.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 10, 2011 06:31 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: spypeach at December 10, 2011 06:31 PM (hyUyU)
I hopped into the live chat but I saw JEFF B SCREAMING IN ALLCAPS so I figured that was going to ruin it for me.
Posted by: Glenn Beck at December 10, 2011 06:31 PM (K2yEQ)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 10, 2011 06:32 PM (K2yEQ)
How long has Perry been out of the air force though? I can't expect him to be up to speed on all the latest technology they're using now, I mean seriously?
I'm mindful of his brain farts but Jesus Christ.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 06:32 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Diane S at December 10, 2011 06:33 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Shiggz - Newt (Maximum Warp!) at December 10, 2011 06:33 PM (RfvTE)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 06:33 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Big T Party at December 10, 2011 10:30 PM (hC5jI)
No. An American in a full-Windsor will look like an asshole...just like anyone in a full-Windsor. To be fair, though, a republican with a full-Windsor and a flag pin would be light years ahead of a SCOAMF, regardless of clothing. In fact, they win that sartorial battle sans flag pin.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 06:33 PM (D+phB)
She's a narcissist who makes up shit on the fly. That pretty much sums it up for me.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 06:33 PM (TCyyS)
And I hop on ABC.com and see Uncle Ronnie talkin' and no mention of gold or the Fed. It's a miracle!
How's Perry doin'?
Posted by: Robert at December 10, 2011 06:34 PM (F79HU)
Posted by: Fortunata at December 10, 2011 06:34 PM (90H1N)
Because she's not qualified to be on that stage as a tax collector turned House member.
Just a guess as to what many here would probably say.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 10, 2011 06:35 PM (K2yEQ)
Posted by: shibumi at December 10, 2011 06:36 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 06:36 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Dianne Sawyer at December 10, 2011 06:36 PM (OZf3C)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 10:30 PM (D+phB)"
Saint Stupid, I am still here.
You will be gone, you and your God, in but a few.
"Slaughter House 5"
Probably spelled wrong... Oh well
tweet ..
help me
Do you have a fking clue of what I am talking about?
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 06:37 PM (E20dI)
If thats the case then I stand corrected!
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at December 10, 2011 10:34 PM (tHnoW)
That's the thing, almost everyone refers to the UAV's as predator drones. So who really cares if Perry calls it that and he's not correct. Its the way everyone sees them, even the armed ones which have their own designation as Reapers
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 06:37 PM (GULKT)
Because she's not qualified to be on that stage as a tax collector turned House member.
Just a guess as to what many here would probably say.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 10, 2011 10:35 PM (K2yEQ)
That's an impressively snarky way to put it (not sarcasm, I liked it), but in my case, I never have gotten the impression that she was ready for primetime.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 06:37 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 10, 2011 06:37 PM (21lBC)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 10, 2011 10:35 PM (qjUnn)
Excellent.
Posted by: Robert at December 10, 2011 06:37 PM (F79HU)
Posted by: Cristiane Amanpour at December 10, 2011 06:38 PM (xbrnB)
That's pretty much Romney's excuse as well, but considering this is a hallmark of Republican ideology I'm not going to beat them up over it. It's also the same type of answer that would be given on abortion too.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 06:38 PM (TCyyS)
HE'S #2! HE'S #2!
Seriously, between Newt's professiosorium and Perry's sincerity, this is no contest.
It's a 3.9 - 3.1 World Serious.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 06:38 PM (Qxe/p)
Better but he still stumbles once and a while. He is much more relaxed.
Maybe he should sing his responses.
It works for Mel Tillis.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 06:38 PM (piMMO)
He's still my candidate of choice.
Record > Rhetoric
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 10, 2011 06:39 PM (K2yEQ)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 06:40 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Fortunata at December 10, 2011 06:40 PM (90H1N)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:41 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:42 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 10:36 PM (piMMO)
His Rickness does show too much cuff, but at least he doesn't look like he shops at the same place as the average congressperson. There's a lot to like about the way he dresses, if you assume it's part of his persona. It's aggressive, it's absolutely intentional and has been thought about, and he doesn't look like all the two-bit hoods with their cheapass off-the-rack BS these days. Clothes make the man? Probably not. That said, I don't want any area of my life governed by a man who doesn't keep his shoes shined.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 06:42 PM (D+phB)
Is Dianne wearing a lampshade on her head, yet?
Posted by: Cicerokid at December 10, 2011 06:43 PM (OZf3C)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:43 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at December 10, 2011 06:43 PM (Te1S8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 06:43 PM (niZvt)
Oh I am so glad I do not have to see her ugly mug on Sunday mornings anymore.
She really is a hideous horrible beast.
If she's still doing her show tomorrow you just know she's going after Newt's answers on the Palis (which was his best answer of the night).
I love that he's now tripled down on telling the pigfilth that they're not legitimate. Because they're not.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 10, 2011 06:44 PM (K2yEQ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 06:44 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 10:44 PM (piMMO)
There's a lot of red in the background.
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 06:45 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 06:46 PM (piMMO)
(IU upset #1 UK tonight at the buzzer...I knew it was good things to come for Perry. Because I'm weird and superstitious like that and my sports bleed into my politics!)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 10, 2011 06:46 PM (K2yEQ)
She really is a hideous horrible beast.
If she's still doing her show tomorrow you just know she's going after Newt's answers on the Palis (which was his best answer of the night).
I love that he's now tripled down on telling the pigfilth that they're not legitimate. Because they're not. "
Lacey, now that Herman is no longer standing between us, I love you!
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:46 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: Herman C. at December 10, 2011 06:46 PM (OZf3C)
Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at December 10, 2011 06:48 PM (GULKT)
Well I liken these primary "fights" to Thanksgiving holidays with the fam -- we may fight like hell and throw green been casserole at one another but we'll come together the next year because we're family
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 10, 2011 06:50 PM (K2yEQ)
Perry had the right idea though that I wish the others had followed with more fervor, and it should have been what the debates were all about since day one:
Obama is a SCOAMF!
Obama is a SCOAMF!
Obama is a SCOAMF!
Obama is a SCOAMF!
Obama is a SCOAMF!
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 06:50 PM (TCyyS)
Which, I hope, moves him to #2, with the Newt leading.
My ideal scenario.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 06:51 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 10, 2011 06:51 PM (21lBC)
Posted by: Miss'80s at December 10, 2011 06:51 PM (d6QMz)
I for one welcome a three man race.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 06:53 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 06:54 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2011 06:54 PM (piMMO)
---oooh, oooh, ABC is counting out Romney, they are BURYING HIM in the spin room, heheheheheh!!
A GREAT NIGHT FOR THE ABR'S!!
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 10, 2011 06:55 PM (xbrnB)
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 06:56 PM (e6MoS)
This is a stupid and pointless exercise, but it's being done anyways.
Saint Stupid, I am still here.
How can I change that, exactly? I'd be happy to know, and pass that on to Pixy.
You will be gone, you and your God, in but a few.
Which God is that? How many measures of unit is "but a few", and why do you think you'll manage to last beyond that event?
"Slaughter House 5"
Was a book. We agree.
Probably spelled wrong... Oh well
Nope. You actually incorrectly predicted a spelling mistake, but are convinced of the impending doom coming for myself along with my God, assuming I have one, and you know of him / her / it.
tweet ..
This is the sound birds make. Some birds. Turkeys go "gobble gobble".
help me
Help you! I thought Jerry Maguire was overrated, but it was still watchable, and that was one of the most memorable lines.
Do you have a fking clue of what I am talking about?
Nope. Nobody does. See, to communicate effectively, you need to have an idea, which you then state, followed by supporting arguments. Your method of communication is completely impenetrable to a literate, numerate, and logical mind. While we all attempt to type in English, you are still to us as ships passing in the night. In this case, I'm HMS Functional Adult, and you're BOS Mania.
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 10:37 PM (E20dI)
I hope you someday attain some form of consciousness approaching human.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 06:56 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: Mittens Romney, master debater and man of steel who never wilts under pressure, unless he's being in at December 10, 2011 06:57 PM (TCyyS)
I thought Mormons didn't gamble or drink. What's up with the bet thing?
Posted by: snowcrash at December 10, 2011 06:57 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 06:57 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 06:59 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: MDH3 at December 10, 2011 07:00 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 07:01 PM (niZvt)
People say she did well. I completely disagree and thinks she looked pushy and aggressive. She kept saying "let me finish". Men candidates can do that and look authoritative. Women candidates look overbearing when they do the same. It's not a fair double standard but I it's there.
I don't think she did herself any favors tonight.
But I'm not speaking with authority on this point though - I could be way off the mark. Just my take.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 10, 2011 07:01 PM (K2yEQ)
Posted by: toby928© at December 10, 2011 11:00 PM (GTbGH)
I think its possible, maybe even better than third. He really did seem to be playing hard for Iowans tonight.
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 07:02 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 10, 2011 07:02 PM (K2yEQ)
Posted by: Eric S at December 10, 2011 07:02 PM (sCR4O)
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 10, 2011 07:02 PM (O/XN9)
I disagree. Perry won on 'heart'.
Newt won on intellectualism, which is second.
This puts the Rickster (after New Hampshire) in a strong second place.
I'm loving it.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 07:02 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Donald Trump at December 10, 2011 07:03 PM (LnQhT)
Oh absolutely. He's been hitting the ground hard there for some time now.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 10, 2011 07:03 PM (K2yEQ)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 10, 2011 07:03 PM (21lBC)
It wasn't his best debate, but Newt was solid. There weren't as many entertaining moments of Newt owning the media, but he didn't make any mistakes. His support should solidify.
Therefore, Newt won.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 10, 2011 07:03 PM (bceKa)
Posted by: ABC News at December 10, 2011 07:03 PM (GTbGH)
He said that Romney referenced "sobriety and stability", which I don't recall Rombley saying at any point
Posted by: The Q at December 10, 2011 07:03 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2011 07:04 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 10, 2011 11:01 PM (niZvt)
What did everyone expect to happen?
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 07:04 PM (GZitp)
I'd agree except that the whole segment on the Israelis and Palis was a spectacular Newt showcase.
Posted by: The Q at December 10, 2011 07:04 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: PJ at December 10, 2011 07:04 PM (DQHjw)
Yep, being an asshole wears better on men than women.
It doesn't help that Bachmann is a flaming lying bitch of a narcissist though. That bitch be crazy.
Although I will concede there is one woman who can dangle clanging brass balls the size of two volkwagons and still wear it well like a classy lady: Margaret Thatcher.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 07:05 PM (TCyyS)
Newt won on intellectualism, which is second.
This puts the Rickster (after New Hampshire) in a strong second place.
I'm loving it.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 11:02 PM (Qxe/p)
I want to believe, but I don't think I believe that. I sure hope you're right, but it's hard to see a Saturday night debate mobing any needles. Still, I want to believe, because I think a ten-year track record as executive trumps anything else on stage, tardasil be damned, "heartless" be damned.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 10, 2011 07:05 PM (D+phB)
And I know this probably isn't central here, but Mitt hit Newt on going back to the moon. Mitt says he is just going to continue Obama's stupid (non)-space policy. If they are just the same, then go with Newt, because we need to get back to the moon, for nat security, industry & inspiration. It cost few $ compared to costly welfare entitlements. See article: China to own the Moon by 2026.
If we go broke, Red China owns the moon, the earth, the stars and the sun. First things first. Get the economy back and the debt under control
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 10, 2011 07:06 PM (w7K7d)
And by that I mean, this was as hard as anyone was going to go after Newt. No debate at this stage is going to fundamentally change anything.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 10, 2011 07:07 PM (GZitp)
Captain: Gentlemen, we're not going to make it
Copilot: I don't understand what when wrong, I've had the stick back the whole time.
Captain: Sacre Bleu!
Splash.
Posted by: toby928© at December 10, 2011 07:07 PM (GTbGH)
470Reggie,
I'd agree except that the whole segment on the Israelis and Palis was a spectacular Newt showcase.
You are are correct. He was very strong in that segment.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 10, 2011 07:08 PM (bceKa)
Posted by: holygoat at December 10, 2011 07:09 PM (2ptZ1)
The Awkwardness of Being Earnest
Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2011 07:09 PM (wkIsS)
I rather doubt this, for one this was the first debate without Herman Cain, and I think that's significant, and two, Perry is slowly maturing as a debater, putting distance between the major gaffes of his past performances. I think this is going to change the dynamics of the race, hopefully in Perry's favor.
But then again, I still believe in Santa Claus too.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 07:10 PM (TCyyS)
I was born in Sioux City, Iowa.
I was raised in South Sioux City, Nebraska. (across the river)
My education is Iowa State University, and Western Iowa Tech
(see: Vietnam, interrupted)
I have a rough idea on how Iowanians think.
Perry did better than you might think.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 07:10 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Tendstl at December 10, 2011 07:11 PM (FaL/Z)
I'm loving it.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 11:02 PM (Qxe/p)
Unfortunately, third or fourth place.
Ron Paul has a strong ground game with fanatical supporters and support. He has also benefited from the fact that he gets no scrutiny. Also, since he has no chance of being president, people feel free to vote for him in protest or to pick their favorite issue of his to hang their hat on.
Romney has a decent ground game as well. He can pull his 15%. Perry's is good also, although I would argue he doesn't have good Iowans on the team. If he's going to play the social issues game, he should have focused on marriage and, specifically judges. That's what indicated to me that his team was still too Texan.
Newt has no ground game, but his numbers are so high that he won't need it.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 10, 2011 07:13 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Winning at December 10, 2011 07:13 PM (ozpOn)
Exactly. That's why I watched.
Two candidates stood out, IMAO.
Newt did not blow his cool, and Perry looked intelligent.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 07:13 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: holygoat at December 10, 2011 11:09 PM (2ptZ1)
You didn't watch the CBS debate did you. This one was bad, but that one was just awful. Smug asshole moderator. Took it off TV 2/3 of the through to only be seen online. Ask Perry the last question of the night and as he's all of 20 seconds in "well that's all the time we have, good night everybody"
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 07:14 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Joffen at December 10, 2011 07:14 PM (UkXG5)
Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2011 07:14 PM (r2PLg)
Can Newt deal with the skeletons in his closet?
Can Mitt do something less milquetoasty and mollify us if (and sadly I still say probably when) he wins the primary?
Can Michelle just quit and go try to unseat Senator Soviet Stuart Smalley?
Can Rick go back to Pennsylvania and do likewise?
Can the other Rick overcome all his self inflicted wounds?
Can any of them just co-opt the senile crazy one's domestic ideas while kicking him to the curb?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 10, 2011 07:15 PM (w7K7d)
Youbee from SOUTH SIOUX?
What year? (I'm a '66 graduate)
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 07:15 PM (Qxe/p)
He did great, not better than Newt but then again Newt is in a different class.
The real news is Perry making Romney look like a complete ass. Glorious.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 07:15 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: Tendstl at December 10, 2011 07:16 PM (FaL/Z)
People unimpressed with Mitt's last 10 debates, unimpressed again.
Unfortunately, Mitt essentially *won* all of the previous debates, while nearly everyone else imploded one way or another.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 10, 2011 07:17 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2011 07:18 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: holygoat at December 10, 2011 07:18 PM (2ptZ1)
And sound sincere, even though I doubt his sincerity, being that he's a narcissist and all, but still it's a smart play.
But that's what I can't understand: Mittens should realize his refusal to concede any wrong does not make him look principled but arrogant, especially when it comes to Romneycare.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 10, 2011 07:19 PM (TCyyS)
Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2011 07:23 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: holygoat at December 10, 2011 07:26 PM (2ptZ1)
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 07:27 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 07:27 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: The Q at December 10, 2011 07:27 PM (LnQhT)
Posted by: Joffen at December 10, 2011 07:28 PM (UkXG5)
Mitt: I'm not a career politician
Newt: That's only because you lost your Senate race.
A deft puncturing of the only-Mitt-can-win meme.
Posted by: holygoat at December 10, 2011 11:26 PM (2ptZ1)
It is a good hit on him and puts the lie to his "I'm a businessman not a politician" Yeah sure thing Mitt. Even though you've spent over a decade as a politician or running for elected office you're not a politician. Suuuuuuuure.
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 07:29 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 10, 2011 11:10 PM (Qxe/p)
Yo! Me too! St. Luke's! Reck-o-nize.
Woof! Woof! Woof!
Posted by: Mister Christopher at December 10, 2011 07:32 PM (cjGZv)
Mitt: I'm not a career politician
Newt: That's only because you lost your Senate race.
A deft puncturing of the only-Mitt-can-win meme.
Posted by: holygoat at December 10, 2011 11:26 PM (2ptZ1)
It is a good hit on him and puts the lie to his "I'm a businessman not a politician" Yeah sure thing Mitt. Even though you've spent over a decade as a politician or running for elected office you're not a politician. Suuuuuuuure.
Posted by: buzzion at December 10, 2011 11:29 PM (GULKT)
I thought Romney's "football player" retort was a good one.
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 07:33 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 07:34 PM (E20dI)
I have never known a Muslim American that was, on a fundamental level, a violent Islamic Jihadist.
Posted by: Newt Romney at December 10, 2011 07:35 PM (MwTP4)
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 11:34 PM (E20dI) </i>
Yahweh will be mighty pissed....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 10, 2011 07:37 PM (w7K7d)
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 07:38 PM (1Q9fA)
That, and the moon bases seem most interesting.
Posted by: Grimaldi at December 10, 2011 07:40 PM (7JrOh)
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 11:38 PM (1Q9fA)
It made Romney look like he backed Rick Perry down.
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 07:40 PM (e6MoS)
Are you saying that your Gods children, are recording this conversation and may put us in prison?
LOL
Posted by: Ron Paul for President at December 10, 2011 07:41 PM (E20dI)
521 518 How did that bet thingy make Romney look?
Posted by: Brett at December 10, 2011 11:38 PM (1Q9fA)
It made Romney look like he backed Rick Perry down.
Posted by: SethPower at December 10, 2011 11:40 PM (e6MoS)
I agree. Andy Levy had the best take on the exchange, basically saying that you only bet an outrageous amount when you know you're right, which was Romney's point, I think. But, as Levy said, his mistake was in betting too little. He should have bet a million+.
Posted by: holygoat at December 10, 2011 07:45 PM (2ptZ1)
<i> Are you saying that your Gods children, are recording this conversation and may put us in prison? </i>
I have no idea where you get *that* from. The afterlife is the afterlife.
But such paranoid sentiments such as yours about "how the Joos control everything" are the reason why, just when I was about to support Ron Paul because of his domestic policies, I couldn't.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 10, 2011 07:46 PM (w7K7d)
Can someone explain to me why everyone is reporting that Perry was wrong on his bet? Perry said that Romney removed a line from his book saying that Romney care could be a model for the country. The line that was removed said, “We can accomplish the same thing for everyone in the country.” How is Perry wrong?
The explanation I have heard is that it says the country "could" do the same, not that it "should." But that seems a bit silly to me, because Romney has stood behind Romneycare. It's not like he is saying, the country could do this, but it shouldn't because it sucks. Instead, by saying other states could do the same, he is suggesting at a minimum that states would benefit from considering it. How is saying that different from saying "Romneycare can be a model for the country?"
Posted by: Boone at December 10, 2011 08:27 PM (fVaSb)
I liked Michelle's quip about the pali's schoolbooks.
I liked Ron Paul on anything concerning the Fed. Especially when he talked about how their policy of printing money was what was destroying the middle class.
I liked when Newt told Mitt that telling the truth wasn't going to make things any worse for the Israelis. How many more missles are the palis going to launch in a day?
In the end any of them would be better than what we have now, but the question is how do we convince the dumb masses that this is not an episode of American Idol?
Posted by: Abdul with a ham sandwich at December 10, 2011 08:36 PM (CIE5t)
We'll never see America again, will we? And folks all blame Obama, and Newt, and Mitt, and all that...never getting close to blaming the True Enemy Of America:
Television.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 10, 2011 08:46 PM (i0App)
I was born in Sac City, Iowa(Loring Hospital), grew up in Shit...I mean Chi-town and am now a Texan In Training(TiT).
Posted by: annoyinglittletwerp at December 10, 2011 09:18 PM (yBKiN)
Unfortunately, Mitt essentially *won* all of the previous debates, while nearly everyone else imploded one way or another.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 10, 2011 11:17 PM (w7K7d)
"
Mitt has a certain quality that really works well on TV. But for me, Newt won a lot of the debates because he has a different quality. Mitt is trying to emulate JFK and Reagan. Newt isn't doing that... he's being Newt.
I think if you ignore this persona crap, Mitt's got no chance and Newt or even Perry has won many of the debates (And Perry hasn't done well in three of them, I freely admit).
But if you do care a lot about the persona, and in this TV age it is highly relevant, Mitt wins with stupid people or people searching for someone to worship, and Newt wins with people who don't like fake-ass politicians pretending they aren't exactly what they are.
Posted by: Dustin at December 10, 2011 10:06 PM (rQ/Ue)
He's a fraud. His supporters know it and don't appear to care. I wish I understood that, but they all know there's a reason he hid that line.
Romney has repeatedly praised Obamacare for emulating aspects of Romneycare, and the same people worked on both very similar ideas.
Obamacare isn't just wrong because it's federal, btw, so this is somewhat of a side issue. Romney instituted a back-breakingly expensive entitlement that striped much personal freedom from his subjects.
Posted by: Dustin at December 10, 2011 10:08 PM (rQ/Ue)
Posted by: Dustin at December 11, 2011 02:08 AM (rQ/Ue)
I don"t know why any of the other candidates hasn't pointed this out in this fashion yet. Mitt has gotten a free pass on this point, and it's frustrating as hell. They just keep hammering the fact that RomneyCare and ObamaCare are essentially the same, to which Romney robotically responds that it's completely different because RomneyCare isn't federal, and everyone just let's him slide without challenging the tragically flawed premise of the law itself.
Posted by: holygoat at December 10, 2011 11:33 PM (2ptZ1)
Unfortunately, Mitt essentially *won* all of the previous debates, while nearly everyone else imploded one way or another.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 10, 2011 11:17 PM (w7K7d)Newt is leading right now for a reason, and it ain't because of his strong ground game or his loyal staff. It's because he has won damn near every debate going away. Mitt has looked worse and worse as a debater since Newt caught fire. Granted, he's polished enough that his B and C game is better than most other's A game, but he's trending in the wrong direction from what I can see.
Posted by: holygoat at December 10, 2011 11:40 PM (2ptZ1)
Gotta thank the Paulians, as they seem most motivated to get footage of their guy up on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9_It0hRBQo She fucks up "distinguishing" at about 0:04, after struggling through it a second earlier. Didn't even have to watch the rest of the video after that point.
Posted by: Grimaldi at December 11, 2011 03:39 AM (7JrOh)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2011 04:06 AM (ueb58)
Posted by: A. Coulter at December 11, 2011 04:15 AM (LgjGs)
We'll never see America again, will we? And folks all blame Obama, and Newt, and Mitt, and all that...never getting close to blaming the True Enemy Of America:
Television.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 11, 2011 12:46 AM (i0App)
not TV per say, but the programming pumped out by the industry in general is all propaganda. from the commericals to the programs, they are almost all designed to seperate people from good sense and truth.
Posted by: shoey at December 11, 2011 07:05 AM (en+7k)
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