November 22, 2011
— andy Oh, and CNN. The topic is national defense and foreign policy. The winner is Not Mitt unless you're Jen Rubin.
8pm Eastern. Livestream here-ish.
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Posted by: SethPower at November 22, 2011 04:00 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:01 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 04:01 PM (86Hdq)
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Posted by: Retread at November 22, 2011 04:02 PM (ALZZ7)
*Posted by: dazed and confused at November 22, 2011 04:41 PM (oZfic)
I can smell the cat pee already, from the other threads.
Paste , copy, link. Paste, copy, link. Paste, copy, link.
You know the routine!
Posted by: jem at November 22, 2011 04:03 PM (spEu4)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 04:03 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Barbarian at November 22, 2011 04:03 PM (EL+OC)
the cob loggers play favorites, because I know all my comments are funny, we need to occupy the live stream. and find a good place to take a dump.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2011 04:04 PM (JYheX)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:05 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Barbarian at November 22, 2011 04:05 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:06 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Barbarian at November 22, 2011 04:06 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:07 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2011 04:07 PM (piMMO)
The Dems should play Das Kapital.
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 04:08 PM (86Hdq)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 04:09 PM (86Hdq)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 22, 2011 04:10 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:11 PM (i6RpT)
Standard reminder, you say.
How about this for a standard reminder: letting Democrat-Party-aligned organizations like CNN host Republican debates, and thus control the format, content, and 'moderation' of Republican debates, is stupid and self-destructive.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 22, 2011 04:11 PM (SYrAh)
We have Comcast or Xfinity or whatever the fuck they're calling themselves and I'm seeing the dropouts as well.
Posted by: Barbarian at November 22, 2011 04:11 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: alexthedude at November 22, 2011 04:12 PM (0+B+X)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 04:12 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 22, 2011 04:13 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 04:13 PM (86Hdq)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 04:13 PM (GKyUC)
Who does that make the extremist again?
Posted by: Shiggz - Newt (tentatively) at November 22, 2011 04:14 PM (I9fXA)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 04:15 PM (GKyUC)
I bet Newt is carrying a butterfly knife.
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 22, 2011 04:15 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:16 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 22, 2011 04:16 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:17 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 04:18 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 22, 2011 04:19 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: SethPower at November 22, 2011 04:20 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 22, 2011 04:20 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:20 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Admiral Snackbar at November 22, 2011 04:20 PM (l3CeU)
What I am opposed to, American taxes and military blood babysitting Europe so that its dependency and nanny fascist governments can turn them all into children they never had.
A great leader could ever be confused with a babysitter.
If your national security plan was "call the Americans" how could you ever feel pride in yourselves as a nation?
Posted by: Shiggz - Newt (tentatively) at November 22, 2011 04:20 PM (I9fXA)
Posted by: Steeler Bbae at November 22, 2011 04:22 PM (zljbE)
Posted by: Bob Undead Saget at November 22, 2011 04:22 PM (dBvlk)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:23 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 22, 2011 04:23 PM (niZvt)
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Posted by: Lincolntf at November 22, 2011 04:23 PM (Qjh0I)
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Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 04:26 PM (GKyUC)
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Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 04:27 PM (GZitp)
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Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2011 04:31 PM (Pvjul)
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Posted by: Truman North at November 22, 2011 04:35 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 04:37 PM (86Hdq)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:37 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 04:37 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 04:37 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:37 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 04:38 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Steeler Bbae at November 22, 2011 04:38 PM (zljbE)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 22, 2011 04:39 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 22, 2011 04:39 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 04:41 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 04:42 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 04:42 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 04:42 PM (86Hdq)
Posted by: The Angel Moronette at November 22, 2011 04:42 PM (7KVJ5)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 04:43 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 04:43 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: When Disaster Strikes ePub at November 22, 2011 04:44 PM (gpncW)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2011 04:45 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 04:45 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 22, 2011 04:45 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 04:45 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 04:45 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: GMB who is building his own maginot line at November 22, 2011 04:47 PM (wY55N)
Posted by: Rick Perry at November 22, 2011 04:47 PM (CUPAJ)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 04:48 PM (7WJOC)
CNN just had a "Perry moment". Wonder if they'll mock themselves for a week?
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 22, 2011 04:48 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 04:49 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 04:49 PM (86Hdq)
A question from Carrier Onboard Delivery? Combat Operations Division?
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 04:49 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:49 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Steeler Bbae at November 22, 2011 04:50 PM (zljbE)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 22, 2011 04:50 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: SethPower at November 22, 2011 04:50 PM (e6MoS)
CNN just had a "Perry moment". Wonder if they'll mock themselves for a week?
Hahahaha. I wish. But I won't watch to find out.
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 04:50 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 04:50 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:51 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 04:54 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 04:54 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 04:54 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Herminator Cain at November 22, 2011 04:54 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: chunky at November 22, 2011 04:55 PM (U1CKY)
Posted by: Bob Undead Saget at November 22, 2011 04:55 PM (dBvlk)
Valley's man...Lush valley's
Posted by: Herm at November 22, 2011 04:56 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 04:56 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: Explosive Eighteen epub at November 22, 2011 04:56 PM (Qs1ZZ)
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Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 04:57 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 04:57 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Herminator Cain at November 22, 2011 04:57 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 04:58 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 04:59 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 22, 2011 04:59 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 04:59 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Herman at November 22, 2011 04:59 PM (ZCq3c)
Posted by: SethPower at November 22, 2011 05:00 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:00 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:00 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 05:00 PM (86Hdq)
Posted by: Cicerokid at November 22, 2011 05:00 PM (WaeGZ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:00 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 05:01 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: SethPower at November 22, 2011 05:01 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:01 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:02 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:02 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 05:03 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:03 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 05:04 PM (ucERL)
I assumed he was talking about the sequester because he mentioned $1T. Why is DoD cutting when Congress keeps increasing the defense budget, and what is Obama doing with that money?
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 05:04 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:04 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:04 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 05:05 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 05:05 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 22, 2011 05:06 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:06 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: SethPower at November 22, 2011 05:06 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:06 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 05:06 PM (86Hdq)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 22, 2011 05:06 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: willow at November 22, 2011 05:07 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Jon Huntsman at November 22, 2011 05:07 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: The Land of Laughs Audiobook at November 22, 2011 05:07 PM (Qs1ZZ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:07 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:08 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 05:08 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:08 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 22, 2011 05:09 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:09 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:10 PM (i6RpT)
I need to look at the tables again because I had thought the defense budget was increasing over time but that Obama was cutting defense spending outside of that.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 05:10 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 05:11 PM (ucERL)
She's in her 50's. The only tampons she wears anymore are soaked in vodka.
Unfortunately, some women in their 50's still have periods.
Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 22, 2011 05:11 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: tasker at November 22, 2011 05:12 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: Steeler Bbae at November 22, 2011 05:12 PM (zljbE)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 05:12 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: SethPower at November 22, 2011 05:12 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: tasker at November 22, 2011 05:13 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:13 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:13 PM (i6RpT)
I have no idea what this means but it's funny as shit.
It's apparently the newest way to get really drunk very fast.
Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 22, 2011 05:14 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:15 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 05:15 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: Steeler Bbae at November 22, 2011 05:15 PM (zljbE)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:15 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Still Voting for Perry (I like his hair best.) at November 22, 2011 05:16 PM (ycuSb)
Posted by: Herm at November 22, 2011 05:18 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: The Louvre ePub at November 22, 2011 05:18 PM (XGfgs)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 05:19 PM (7WJOC)
Yeah, we know.
Posted by: Teh Clique at November 22, 2011 05:19 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 22, 2011 05:20 PM (SH3gZ)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 05:20 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: robtr at November 22, 2011 05:21 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:21 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 05:21 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 22, 2011 09:20 PM (SH3gZ)
Cheers! Me too. Just want to fast forward to the day I get to vote AGAINST Obama.
Posted by: NC Ref at November 22, 2011 05:21 PM (/izg2)
The House Republican Budget steadily increased defense and other funding and I have read that the final FY 2012 defense bill increases funding but at lower levels than the House proposal. So when I heard that Dr. Lew directed DoD to start looking at certain cuts for FY 2013, I assumed that the Administration was doing it for political purposes.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 05:22 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 22, 2011 05:23 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:23 PM (hC5jI)
#361 357
We want Reagan
We keep getting Dewey.
FIFY
Posted by: CAC at November 22, 2011 05:25 PM (xo7lV)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:25 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Rick Perry at November 22, 2011 05:25 PM (CUPAJ)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 05:26 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: Steeler Bbae at November 22, 2011 05:26 PM (zljbE)
Posted by: American Politician at November 22, 2011 05:26 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:27 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:27 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 22, 2011 05:28 PM (niZvt)
Unwashed members? I thought the State Department had a member washing program for that...
That sounds more like the U.N.
Posted by: Dandolo at November 22, 2011 05:28 PM (GAJm6)
Posted by: Steeler Bbae at November 22, 2011 05:28 PM (zljbE)
Perry is polling at, what, 3% in some states now?
Gingrich was polling at that, is now surging, until his TrueConservative hot air balloon hits a powerline.
Cain crashed into a wall of stupid
Huntsman is an ass
Bachmann is completely crazy
Paul even crazier
Romney opposes himself when he isn't agreeing to change his previous position.
ugh.
Posted by: CAC at November 22, 2011 05:28 PM (xo7lV)
Posted by: derit at November 22, 2011 05:28 PM (FQlFL)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 05:29 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: Julian Assange at November 22, 2011 05:29 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:29 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 22, 2011 05:29 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 05:30 PM (7MFxV)
NATO calibers and 9-9-9mm not so much. Others, fahgetaboutit
Posted by: Teh Clique at November 22, 2011 05:30 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Dick Santorum at November 22, 2011 05:30 PM (CUPAJ)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 05:31 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 05:31 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 05:32 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:32 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Steeler Bbae at November 22, 2011 05:32 PM (zljbE)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 05:33 PM (7WJOC)
388 383How long after an apocalypse before it became really hard to find common ammo types?
NATO calibers and 9-9-9mm not so much. Others, fahgetaboutit
I've got one of those 9-9-9 mm rifles. It fits in a pizza box nicely.
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:33 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: The Angel Moronette at November 22, 2011 05:33 PM (7KVJ5)
Was the $460B for FY 2010? Also, assuming Congress keeps the sequester as-is, how quickly would DoD implement the cuts?
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 05:33 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 05:34 PM (7MFxV)
Bet the "numbers guy" and the conspiracy types are having a field day with that one.
Posted by: blue bonnet at November 22, 2011 05:34 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2011 05:35 PM (qjHIb)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:35 PM (hC5jI)
399 Was the $460B for FY 2010? Also, assuming Congress keeps the sequester as-is, how quickly would DoD implement the cuts?
We have begun the process now.
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:35 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: derit at November 22, 2011 05:35 PM (FQlFL)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 05:35 PM (CUPAJ)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 05:35 PM (7WJOC)
Bet the "numbers guy" and the conspiracy types are having a field day with that one.
Nine................ Nine....................... Nine
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 05:35 PM (86Hdq)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 22, 2011 05:35 PM (GKyUC)
Posted by: Uncle Tom at November 22, 2011 05:36 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:36 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 22, 2011 05:36 PM (UTq/I)
399 Was the $460B for FY 2010? Also, assuming Congress keeps the sequester as-is, how quickly would DoD implement the cuts?
We have begun the process already. FY 2013 starts 1 Oct 2012.
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:37 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 09:35 PM (7WJOC)
No .357 sig is a 'bottle' cartridge, you can force all the other .38s though.
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 05:37 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2011 05:37 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:37 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Frontrunner Rick Santorum at November 22, 2011 05:37 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: SethPower at November 22, 2011 05:38 PM (e6MoS)
The servo motor being controlled by Grover Norquist?
Posted by: Not Cain at November 22, 2011 05:38 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:39 PM (GZitp)
I'll let millions in, but maybe we can secure the border...after we give away great big bags full of goodies to aliens
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 05:39 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 05:39 PM (CUPAJ)
Posted by: Steeler Bbae at November 22, 2011 05:39 PM (zljbE)
Posted by: Heartless Bastard, and Campbell Soups Spokesman at November 22, 2011 05:40 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 22, 2011 05:40 PM (UTq/I)
But it occurred under which Congress?
Yes, which means they cut more quickly.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 05:41 PM (d6QMz)
That's just fucking low and about right for AoSHQ. I laughed, well done.
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:41 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 22, 2011 05:41 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:42 PM (oCMdU)
He's not.
Everyfuckinbodyandtherecusin already carry a card - If you buy beer and look about twenty-ish Everyfuckinbodyandtherecusin is real good at telling if you are 'legal'
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 05:42 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:42 PM (hC5jI)
How can that even be possible? A statue of limitations applies to laws broken in the past, not to laws which are broken again each and every day.
Did you enter this country illegally 25 year ago?
Are you still here?
Those are the only two questions which need to be asked.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2011 05:43 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Heartless Bastard, and Campbell Soups Spokesman at November 22, 2011 05:43 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: GtrTabMan at November 22, 2011 05:43 PM (+m6DP)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 05:43 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: booger at November 22, 2011 05:44 PM (EjNp5)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 05:44 PM (CUPAJ)
Yeah, I don't like that either you heartless bastard.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2011 05:45 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:45 PM (i6RpT)
Yes, I fully realize that and the fact that the President's budget is due in February and the House's budget in April. Although technically the sequester does not begin until calendar year 2013 but I realize that defense spending is done differently than other agencies.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 05:46 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: jaimo at November 22, 2011 05:46 PM (gGeFI)
You're breaking the law just appearing in front of Newt's immigration draft board. Way to think it through Newt.
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:46 PM (GZitp)
No amnesty, period.
Amnesty is - get the fuck out before we catch you and put your ass into a labor camp - didn't hear mittons express that thought.
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 05:46 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:47 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:47 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 22, 2011 05:48 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 22, 2011 05:49 PM (azHfB)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2011 05:49 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:49 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 22, 2011 09:40 PM (UTq/I)
My friend, talk, especially from a politician that claims to have never been a politician, is really cheap.
Posted by: Juan McShame at November 22, 2011 05:50 PM (i3+c5)
Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 22, 2011 05:50 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:50 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:51 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: booger at November 22, 2011 05:51 PM (EjNp5)
Posted by: robtr at November 22, 2011 05:51 PM (MtwBb)
All he's missing is the glasses.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2011 05:51 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Ron Paul at November 22, 2011 05:52 PM (e6MoS)
TOSSED SALAD FOR YOU!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2011 05:52 PM (piMMO)
idiot on this - Legal Permanent Aliens are not allowed to vote or collect welfare. So, if you are here illegally, we'll just it legal.
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 05:52 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: robtr at November 22, 2011 05:52 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 05:52 PM (86Hdq)
No amnesty, period. Any GOP candidate endorsing it can kiss their chances goodbye.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 09:44 PM (CUPAJ)"
Except Romney also schooled Romney's own record of hiring illegals (yeah, via a buddy, but he knew his buddy was employing them). And Romney did zero about the sanctuary city problem in his state. He made minor moves about illegals six days before his term ended, knowing they could never be implemented (and they weren't). He did nothing in four long years.
Santorum has done some things about illegals. Perry's done a ton about securing the border. Romney just talks about it.
It's annoying that Romney can actually talk in the exact opposite direction of how he's governed and people don't laugh him off the stage.
It is no different than if Obama came out against Romneycare style mandated health insurance, or of Bush came out against preemptive strikes. It makes no sense, and only shows what little respect Romney has for this great country.
Posted by: Dustin at November 22, 2011 05:53 PM (rQ/Ue)
The head of Mercedes just got busted for not having his passport on him. Wanna bet he becomes the talking point for the left?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2011 05:53 PM (piMMO)
Except he's the only one who comes across as actually having a grasp of the situation in Syria.. FFS.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 22, 2011 05:54 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 05:55 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:55 PM (oCMdU)
What is the situation in Syria? Clearly there is a correct answer.
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 05:55 PM (7MFxV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2011 09:53 PM (piMMO)
Ve vill need to see ze papers, please!
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 22, 2011 05:55 PM (i3+c5)
Glenn Beck picked Bachman because he truly believes she is closest to him in thinking, but I can't help think that this way he is off the hook to make an honest to goodness choice that actually has a chance. Thereby not offending any of his viewers.
Posted by: jaimo at November 22, 2011 05:56 PM (gGeFI)
Posted by: booger at November 22, 2011 05:56 PM (EjNp5)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 05:56 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at November 22, 2011 05:56 PM (86Hdq)
Posted by: Davy Crockett IV at November 22, 2011 05:57 PM (ucERL)
Runner-up: "China is destined for the ash heap of history" - Perry (paraphrased?)
Posted by: Ron Paul at November 22, 2011 05:58 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 05:58 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 22, 2011 05:58 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 05:59 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 06:00 PM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 06:00 PM (oCMdU)
What's up with Glenn Beck endorsing Bachmann?
Posted by: Marybel at November 22, 2011 09:52 PM (Hic+o)
Tardisil.
Posted by: robtr at November 22, 2011 06:01 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 22, 2011 06:01 PM (2RIoM)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 06:01 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 06:02 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: jaimo at November 22, 2011 09:59 PM (gGeFI)
No, they all basically sucked. When Rick Santorum is actually the closest to me on foreign policy tells me the front runners are just playing politics.
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 06:02 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: dmandman at November 22, 2011 06:02 PM (WpVgB)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 22, 2011 06:03 PM (hC5jI)
What's up with Glenn Beck endorsing Bachmann?
Posted by: Marybel at November 22, 2011 09:52 PM (Hic+o)Perhaps it was a way out of having to endorse a real candidate. Endorsing a no-shot like Bachmann or Johnson is just a way of saying "none of the above".
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 22, 2011 06:04 PM (SY2Kh)
I like it!
I happen to subscribe to that theory too. One more generation (or less) and they will go the way of the USSR.
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 06:08 PM (oCMdU)
Compared to who? None of the majors did very good. If you watched it objectively Romney did better then Perry, Newt or Cain but that ain't saying much.
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 06:08 PM (GZitp)
Yes, which is why certain Republicans are attempting to react as quickly as possible to that side of the sequester. As for the $460B, that amount comes from the Pentagon, apparently. The original figure was $350B but is $460B when using the Administration's FY 2012 proposal as a baseline.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 06:09 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: RickRonald Perry at November 22, 2011 06:09 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 06:09 PM (GZitp)
528What dude they own us caint happen
Repossession would be a bitch.
Remember the 1980's...Japan was going to PWN us. Same deal here. China's economy is about to collapse. It will be in all the papers.
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 06:10 PM (oCMdU)
532508 Perry said: COMMUNIST China is destined for the ashheap of history.
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Yeah, because when COMMUNIST Russia owned all our debt and we outspent those fuckers anyway..............yeah......Cold War baby.........I'm up on that stuff. It's HISTORY.....look it up sometime.
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Remember the 1980's...Japan was going to PWN us. Same deal here. China's economy is about to collapse. It will be in all the papers.
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 06:12 PM (oCMdU)
Perry is an unprepared fool who has no grasp of any of his own policy positions, international or domestic. All he knows is what has been drilled into him by his debate coaches, and all he's capable of doing is regurgitating those talking points. It's why he rarely answers a question put to him, instead veering off into bizarre tangents such as congressional insider trading and no-fly zones over Syria (and why his interviewers, such as the Fox panel on last night's "Center Seat" segment, have such uncomfortable looks on their faces as they try to decipher what the hell he's talking about). He looks and sounds like a GWB clone, without GWB's intellect or political acumen.
Newt is the big (surprise) loser tonight, and his endorsement of amnesty up on that stage will ultimately end his campaign. This is what sank Rick Perry (who, not knowing when to stop setting fire to himself, concurred with Newt's position tonight) and it will sink Newt. This is a different world from 2000, when Bush could get away with running around on the campaign trail marveling at how American cities were beginning to resemble foreign outposts. Republican primary voters remember very clearly how pols tried to shove amnesty down our throats in 2006/07 using much the same arguments Perry and Newt voiced tonight, and we won't tolerate any more of this shit from a presidential candidate.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 06:12 PM (+IQVP)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 06:13 PM (+IQVP)
537 500Ok.. I'm back to Romney...
And Romney's 'me too' performance tonight is somehow enlightening?
At least Perry was stepping out. Romney played it safe and lost tonight!
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 06:16 PM (oCMdU)
I hear they have surgery now to remove that stick up your ass.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 22, 2011 06:16 PM (2RIoM)
Posted by: reggie1971 at November 22, 2011 06:17 PM (mbZjs)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 06:19 PM (ucERL)
Romney - subpar performance but he didn't hurt himself at all, he's still fine
Gingrich - immigration stance may hurt him but I have a feeling he'll still be fine, I'll facepalm if this xenophobic attitude about immigration continues to hurt candidates
Perry - better then usual but not good enough, he'll still be in single digits
everyone else - who care?
still b/w Romney and Newt but Newt MAY have hurt himself tonight
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 06:19 PM (M6l5Z)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 22, 2011 10:16 PM (2RIoM)
Yeah, your boy lost (again), all right. Sorry, but life's a bitch.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 06:19 PM (+IQVP)
So, what's you answer to deal with 12 million people already here? greyhound? get serious.......
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 22, 2011 06:20 PM (2RIoM)
My boy? Fuck you!
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 22, 2011 06:20 PM (2RIoM)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 10:19 PM (+IQVP)
War I like you but your incessant dancing on Perry's grave (sorry guys it's over, stop praying for the comeback) and personal beef with him is getting on my nerves
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 06:21 PM (M6l5Z)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 22, 2011 10:20 PM (2RIoM)
Yeah, your boy, bitch.
Tough shit.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 06:22 PM (+IQVP)
What the hell are we going to say when Newt tries to address traditional values and the libs throw his past right back in our face? Why in the fuck do want to spend next year playing defense for this guy? Perry would be better than him any day.
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 22, 2011 06:22 PM (9zzk+)
So, what's you answer to deal with 12 million people already here? greyhound? get serious.......
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 22, 2011 10:20 PM (2RIoM)
its the Michelle Malkin attitude that this aren't real people and damn losing the Hispanic vote like we have the black vote cause we'll be all principeled and stuff
but I forgot if you wanna take a closer look and not have a 1 size fits all attitude about illegal immigration your a commie who wants Illegals to overtake the country...
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 06:23 PM (M6l5Z)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 06:23 PM (ucERL)
Got butthurt?
It appears YOU are the only one with a "boy"'s asscrack on the end of your nose. Nothing like a cultist to lecture somebody else on having a "boy". What an idiot.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 22, 2011 06:24 PM (2RIoM)
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 22, 2011 06:24 PM (9zzk+)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 06:24 PM (ucERL)
Why in the fuck do want to spend next year playing defense for this guy? Perry would be better than him any day.
Newt can win, Perry...not so sure
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 06:24 PM (M6l5Z)
Meh, the personal beef so many on this site have with any candidate who isn't named Ricardo Pére kinda gets on my nerves.
No big deal; I'll just go back to socking. It's more fun anyway.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 06:25 PM (+IQVP)
Is that ""xenophobic" on Mexico's part?
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 10:23 PM (ucERL)
ive always called Mexico hypocrites, but nice try
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 06:26 PM (M6l5Z)
Why in the fuck do want to spend next year playing defense for this guy? Perry would be better than him any day.
Newt can win...not so sure
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 10:24 PM (M6l5Z)
FIFY!
Posted by: Perrybot at November 22, 2011 06:26 PM (oCMdU)
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 22, 2011 06:27 PM (9zzk+)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 22, 2011 06:27 PM (ZDEMd)
Posted by: Lojack at November 22, 2011 06:27 PM (ucERL)
No big deal; I'll just go back to socking. It's more fun anyway.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 10:25 PM (+IQVP)
well I have no personal beef w/ your boy Romney, I like him and think he's much better then he's given credit for
I also like Perry much better then Romney but know he has no shot, so seeing cheap shots at his character after I deal with my brother telling me he's a racist gets on my nerves
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 06:28 PM (M6l5Z)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 06:28 PM (d6QMz)
Oddly enough, the end result of Cain's 999 would tax domestic and imports at the same rate (and exports would not be taxed), china would be forced to manufacture at a sustained rate domestically or perish - they merely produce for the export market now and can only do so by devaluing their own currency.
I'll give Perry that one provided he give's Cain his.
Posted by: Rmoney at November 22, 2011 06:28 PM (7MFxV)
I think we need to institute a no-fly zone over this guy, 'pink. That'll get him right.
Posted by: Rick Perry at November 22, 2011 06:28 PM (+IQVP)
Wow, intelligent answer to a serious question. This is the problem -- put your fingers in your ears and yell "la lalalalalalalal" and when somebody wants a solution, insult them. That position of "conservatives" sucks donkey dicks.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 22, 2011 06:28 PM (2RIoM)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 06:29 PM (d6QMz)
Romney was absolutely phenominal.
Gingrich was confused.
Bachmann was good enough
The rest took up time that should have been given to Romney.
Romney didn't get a question for 45 min!!!! It was a compete attempt to keep him from speaking.
I could listen to another hour of just Romney now. I think I'll go replay that Hannity interview from last night.
There was too much Paul, too much Newt and not nearly enough Romney! So disappointed, I only wanted to hear from Mitt and they pretended he wasn't there.
But the couple of times they let him speak he was just so much more knowledgeable.
No one else is even close.
Posted by: Sheltie at November 22, 2011 06:31 PM (hgrmi)
Posted by: David Fucking Axelrod at November 22, 2011 06:32 PM (ZzOqq)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 06:32 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Sheltie at November 22, 2011 06:33 PM (hgrmi)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 22, 2011 06:33 PM (vahvH)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 22, 2011 06:34 PM (80nuu)
Crazy as shit and twice as full of it.
Posted by: Jimmuy at November 22, 2011 06:36 PM (nJEja)
Crazy as shit and twice as full of it.
Okay, maybe the no-fly zone isn't such a hot idea. Maybe if we imposed sanctions on his bank?
Or maybe.... uh.... shit, I guess that's all I got.
Posted by: Rick Perry at November 22, 2011 06:39 PM (+IQVP)
Posted by: Being George Washington ePub at November 22, 2011 06:39 PM (05OZP)
Crazy as shit and twice as full of it.
Okay, maybe the no-fly zone isn't such a hot idea. Maybe if we imposed sanctions on his bank?
Or maybe.... uh.... shit, I guess that's all I got.
Posted by: Rick Perry at November 22, 2011 10:39 PM (+IQVP)
Oh, just shut up, Undead, your socks are just as boring and stupid.
Posted by: Jimmuy at November 22, 2011 06:40 PM (nJEja)
Romney was there? - I can't believe how for most of the CNN show they kept skipping Romney. Huntsman and Paul got waaaay too much time.
I do hope that this debate shows us once again that the MSM stinks at moderating our debates!
Also, I really hope this wakes people back up in regards to Newt. Remember why most of us hated Newt at the beginning of the campaign? Newt is still the same backstabber folks - he just slipped up while playing professor and forgot how boned he is going to be for supporting AMNESTY!
Posted by: Evan at November 22, 2011 06:42 PM (O3OlP)
Yeah, I got tired of 'em ages ago.
Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 22, 2011 06:43 PM (+IQVP)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 06:44 PM (M6l5Z)
Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 22, 2011 10:43 PM (+IQVP)
hey Christine is a Romney supporter, she and undead should be getting along these days
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 06:45 PM (M6l5Z)
If he would ever get out of the bushes by my front door that he's hiding in, we could talk about it.
Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 22, 2011 06:47 PM (+IQVP)
Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 22, 2011 10:47 PM (+IQVP)
idk what he's smoking cause if I was single I'd like to hide in your bushes Christine 
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 06:49 PM (M6l5Z)
Tomorrow
Tomorrow
There's always ... tomorrow
Tomorrow's ... a brighter day.
Yeah, that's gonna leave a mark.
Don't need no stinkin' Hispanic votes anywho.
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 22, 2011 10:33 PM (vahvH)
Good move by Newt, in my opinion.
Posted by: SethPower at November 22, 2011 06:49 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: BK at November 22, 2011 06:54 PM (R2Yh0)
Es la gente que piensen que las leys de nuestra piaz no son importante - ellos necesitan saber que los republicanos appoya los leys.
Why should the hispanics have "golden ticket" to disobey the law while all other groups have to wait in line? I agree that the laws do need to be streamlined - especially for those that have skills and talents that we want. Not only that - as a group - hispanics already are in the dems pocket. They don't care that it goes against many of their social conservative values - they just like all the freebees the dems promise them. Why work hard when you can become a dependent of the state?
I'm glad Romney and Bachman are willing to take a strong stance against pandering to the hispanics (who like illegal immigration) in favor of the laws of this republic. When the laws got ignored, the republic will fall.
Posted by: Evan at November 22, 2011 06:57 PM (O3OlP)
Posted by: Evan at November 22, 2011 06:59 PM (O3OlP)
Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 22, 2011 10:43 PM (+IQVP)
hey Christine is a Romney supporter, she and undead should be getting along these days
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at November 22, 2011 10:45 PM (M6l5Z)
uh, 'cause that is Undead there; another so very clever sock.
Posted by: Jimmuy at November 22, 2011 06:59 PM (nJEja)
What dude they own us caint happen
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at November 22, 2011 09:59 PM (tHnoW)
Actually, China isn't even our largest creditor anymore. Due to Quantitative Easing, the Federal Reserve has taken the top spot. Makes me wonder if maybe that was part of the intent? Reduce China's share of our debt while also reducing the value of what they do hold? Just as China's economy is starting to look rather bubbly. Although that thinking does sort of seem to require at least a minimal level of competence on the part of our "betters" in government, so I don't know...
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 22, 2011 07:00 PM (vQfJ3)
Posted by: Evan at November 22, 2011 07:00 PM (O3OlP)
Romney did okay, but what do you expect, he can change his beliefs and positions in a whim, he was a chameleon and performed as such.
Perry didn't flub, but then again, it appears that he wasn't all there....sure he was there, but he's like the empty shell just using his mouth to spout out words that someone else told him to.
Bachman did well in the areas of her expertise, however she passed up many opportunities to skewer Romney and Perry.
Cain did okay, nothing special but nothing awful, just what you'd expect.
Huntsman.......was he nervous or something?
Santorum, won't pick up any steam from this but he did well.
Gingrich --- contrary to your opinions, his answer on immigration was probably the best one, the only problem is that in order to get Romney the nomination, the GOP operatives will begin to make Gingrich look like he's for amnesty for every illegal all the time.
Posted by: doug at November 22, 2011 07:01 PM (gUGI6)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 22, 2011 07:03 PM (vQfJ3)
Best one? "Hey illegals, who ever has broken the law the longest has a chance to plead his case to the draft board". That answer?
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 07:04 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 22, 2011 07:14 PM (vQfJ3)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2011 07:17 PM (hIWe1)
Not really, Bachmann and Santorum have been the most consistent and most conservative in all their views. Bachmann especially on foreign policy. If it was about conservatism they would be the frontrunners but let's face it, even for all the so called conservatives populism rules the day.
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 07:22 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2011 07:23 PM (hIWe1)
@598,
Can't argue with someone who thinks an illegal immigrant who broke the law 25 years ago has "broken the law the longest" compared to one who broke the law yesterday.
When you figure out that the law was broken once in each case we can discuss this.
Posted by: doug at November 22, 2011 07:25 PM (gUGI6)
She should thank Boehner for that Intel assignment.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 22, 2011 07:25 PM (d6QMz)
Bachmann to Despots: The greater threat you pose, the more money we will pay you, and in no way will this encourage other countries to threaten the U.S. in exchange for cash.
WHAT THE FUCK?
Posted by: Foreign Policy at November 22, 2011 07:26 PM (KTtrN)
Exactly.
None of us have a clue what the guy actually thinks about anything. I admit he's got skills. Leadership, however, is not one of them.
Posted by: Dustin at November 22, 2011 07:27 PM (rQ/Ue)
Can't argue with someone who thinks an illegal immigrant who broke the law 25 years ago has "broken the law the longest" compared to one who broke the law yesterday.
When you figure out that the law was broken once in each case we can discuss this.
Posted by: doug at November 22, 2011 11:25 PM (gUGI6)
No, they're breaking the law every day they're here. So when Newt spouts off about "law abiding citizens for twenty five years" he's lying. They have not been law abiding at any point since their visa ran out.
Figure that out.
Posted by: lowandslow at November 22, 2011 07:29 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Undead's Massive Ego at November 22, 2011 07:29 PM (+IQVP)
@607, what law are they breaking every day? Do you have a clue as to what the statute of limitations is for someone entering the U.S. without a passport?
So, to be accurate: If their Visa ran out, or even if they entered the country illegally without a visa or passport more than 10 years ago, they cannot be tried for that federal crime.
Now, do you wish that the GOP nominee swear to pass an ex post facto law allowing for the criminal prosecution of those that have been here 25 years?
Posted by: doug at November 22, 2011 07:40 PM (gUGI6)
But Bachmann was right. A nuclear Pakistan means we really can't afford to include it in Perry's blanket "start from zero" idea, until and unless we can get a stable, reasonably pro-U.S. leadership in (I'm not optimistic). Pakistan is an enemy, but nukes change the game and put us in a bad position. Bachmann understood this, Perry didn't seem to.
The problem isn't that Perry's wrong, it's that he doesn't really seem to understand or have thought through the ramifications of his own policy stances. There are numerous examples of this.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 22, 2011 07:41 PM (+IQVP)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at November 22, 2011 07:47 PM (TCyyS)
Bad move, very very bad move by Newt, in my opinion. Newt is a good talker, but can you Newtiphiles please try to remember Newt does not have the best record on conservative issues. There is a good reason why he was fired as the speaker by his own party.
Posted by: Evan at November 22, 2011 07:50 PM (O3OlP)
Exactly. Gotta admit, "too nuclear to fail" is just about the best catchphrase to come out these debates in terms of being both pithy AND correct."
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2011 07:52 PM (hIWe1)
Jon Hunstman equals Horatio Cain! I would give credit to the genius that came up with that, but I am too lazy to sort through 600 comments.
Per illegal immigration. Rove and Bush believed that to include them would secure votes. But that is "everything occurs in a vacuum" democrat thinking. Wouldn't the real result be that you lose your base because they are genuinely pissed?
Posted by: elliot m at November 22, 2011 08:08 PM (zPich)
Evan, Newt was fired as Speaker because the GOP was too scared to back him against the political charges that sunk him - they incorrectly thought that by sinking Gingrich they could save the House. Your man, Mitt Romney, is to the left of Newt, there is no getting around that, just a little to the left, but you really don't have any business complaining Newt isn't conservative enough as long as you are backing Mitt.
Posted by: doug at November 22, 2011 08:08 PM (gUGI6)
the sstrutttering cccllusterffuck ooof a mmmiserable ffffailure
Posted by: indie at November 22, 2011 08:24 PM (2IGbS)
Per illegal immigration. Rove and Bush believed that to include them would secure votes. But that is "everything occurs in a vacuum" democrat thinking. Wouldn't the real result be that you lose your base because they are genuinely pissed?
The Bush/Rove thinking is more like: Sure, we lose nearly 7 of every 10 Hispanic votes, but we'll make it up on volume.
Really, they're that good at strategery.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 22, 2011 08:27 PM (7EV/g)
hmmm on what:
Supporting ACORN endorsed DeDe Scozzafava - nope that was Newt
Slamming Paul Ryan's plan - nope that was Newt
Hanging with Al Sharpton on education - Newt again
NATIONAL health care mandate - surprise that was Newt
Snuggle session with Pelosi - we all know that one
And fresh from tonights debate... the man who wants more amnesty... HERRRE's NEWT!
Romney is right of Newt - and in 08 many would agree with that if asked. It is tiring to see the constant "Romney is a RINO crap" and has no character. Is he as conservative as I would like - no. Does Romney pander - yap. I do like Coulter's spin on it - he tricked liberals into voting for him. In such a lefty state he managed to move a lot of stuff to the right.
Newt becoming the new Redjack was a bit much for me. I thought Cain would be the last one but then Newt? Romney's shift to the right has been consistent, he gets the flipper tag for doing this, but at least he doesn't bounce back to the left. Newt is all over the place. Sometimes he is saying great things in support of the conservative movement, and then he's talking about the need for cap-n-trade???? All throw back your statement - you don't have any business complaining Romney isn't conservative enough as long as you are backing Newt.
Posted by: Evan at November 22, 2011 08:38 PM (O3OlP)
"I don't believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country, with these 11 million people, let's have them registered, know who they are. Those who've been arrested or convicted of crimes shouldn't be here; those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country. "
Did Newt say that, or was it Mitt?
Posted by: doug at November 22, 2011 08:44 PM (gUGI6)
Posted by: blue bonnet at November 22, 2011 08:46 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: doug at November 22, 2011 08:46 PM (gUGI6)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 22, 2011 08:51 PM (vQfJ3)
I would love to see a revolving door policy.
"Hello Mr Smith, our records show that you have been a leach on our system for most of your life. Over here is Mr Garcia, he wants to come here and work hard. Sorry Mr Smith we are kicking you out and letting Mr. Garcia in."
Adios welfare leach
Posted by: Evan at November 22, 2011 08:56 PM (O3OlP)
Thanks for not bolding this question. That would be Mitt that passed a state mandate with full support from both sides of the MA legislature, in accordance with the constitution of the state and the blessing of the heritage foundation - Newt inspired (he is an idea guy). Newt liked his idea so much he wanted to take it national so that all states could enjoy the blessings of his inspired mind.
Posted by: Evan at November 22, 2011 09:06 PM (O3OlP)
Cain's a cool guy and he's helping wolf to be one too.
Romney won the "uber cool dresser" award tonight.
Posted by: blue bonnet at November 22, 2011 09:07 PM (oZfic)
Who supported cap and trade and did ads with Pelosi?
Who called Paul Ryan's plan "right-wing social engineering" at a critical juncture in the budget debate?
Who did speaking tours with the felon and race baiter Al Sharpton?
Who was doing robo-calls for McCain's amnesty plan?
Who was cheating on one of his 3 wives at the same time he was calling for the impeachment of Clinton on moral grounds?
Who resigned his position as speaker under and ethical cloud?
Who supported Dede Scozzafava against a promising tea party candidate?
Who supports ethanol subsidies?
Who lobbied for Freddie Mac and then lied about it?
Who supported the 1986 amnesty?
Who supported the Medicare prescription drug plan?
Who supported subsidizing "green" companies?
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 22, 2011 09:10 PM (9zzk+)
So after tonight, for me. The choice is still Newt or Romney. I don't love either. But Newt is the bastard I know. Newt has and will do some things that pisses me off. With all the flopping of Mitttens, I think he'll do even more crap to piss me off. I'm still voting for a 6 week old ham sandwich over the SCOAMF
Posted by: Minnfidel at November 22, 2011 09:10 PM (RJ8yG)
But, then again, you can feel the "she's a woman, so she's not relevant here...go home michelle" trend on here. Similar to the Sarah Palin is stupid narrative. Michelle has the "crazy eyes" narrative, which, by the way, was not evident tonight cause her eye makeup was done professionally.
Wonder where she's getting her money. It's your wife or girl friend stealthily contributing to her campaign, and just not telling you.
Posted by: blue bonnet at November 22, 2011 09:14 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2011 09:20 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: blue bonnet at November 22, 2011 09:24 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 22, 2011 09:33 PM (vQfJ3)
Ken,
The ultimate conservative would support subsidizing all companies, whether they are green or not, but reducing their income tax to zero.
Unfortunately Newt's plan is only to reduce their rate to 12.5% while Romney's is 25%. Capital gains for them, Newt's is 0% Romney's is not.
Posted by: doug at November 22, 2011 09:36 PM (gUGI6)
"Too Big To Bail"
Makes lehman look like a piker.
Posted by: blue bonnet at November 22, 2011 09:45 PM (oZfic)
If Obama loses PA, it's over, done, finis.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 22, 2011 09:47 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 23, 2011 01:47 AM (hIWe1)
I'm coming, I'm coming. Huma, did you find the white horse yet?
Posted by: Hillary at November 22, 2011 09:54 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Hillary at November 22, 2011 10:04 PM (oZfic)
Tell me what is the point of watching these stupid debates when immediately afterwards the pundits rewrite the whole thing so that Newt Gingrich wins?
I saw the debate. Newt was awful. Bachmann was great and Romney what little time he got was great.
But you would think Romney drooled and angels came down a anointed Gingrich King.
Newt Gingrich did not win. He was horrible!!! He made several really bad mess ups.
And he is a sanctimonious hypocrite to act like Republicans value families at all if they like him.
Posted by: Sheltie at November 22, 2011 10:11 PM (hgrmi)
The take away on the news was all about immigration. You'd think they would have given immigration its own night and not lumped it in with national security.
The federal government has filed another suit against Utah over their new immigration law. Pretty soon their hands will be forced and states will actually begin to regulate who comes their and who is permitted to live there just so they can have some control over the affairs of their state. They can use the TSA model. Interesting how the federal government claims they overstepped their bounds for a state. Before you know it, we'll have the Supremes defining what a state can and cannot do.
Posted by: Hillary at November 22, 2011 11:07 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: MDH3 at November 23, 2011 01:40 AM (GKyUC)
Perhaps she's had work but not recently. Do not underestimate the power of genes, how you've lived your life, how much sun you've had and even what part of the country you come from. According to wiki she is only 55. Been to plenty of weddings where the moms are way older than that and look flawless. A good makeup artist is worth their weight in gold, just ask Michelle Obama.
Posted by: blue bonnet at November 23, 2011 03:58 AM (oZfic)
It does appear that every one of the men on that stage may have had some work, yet, people focus in on Michelle Bachman for "the charge of looking 'fresh'". And yet, it is women who are quietly supporting Michelle Bachman and you might think those same woman, of a same age, might be jealous and catty. They aren't. They are seeing that Michelle Bachman knows her stuff and is a great candidate. Which makes you wonder what about Michelle Bachman scares the hell out of men?
Posted by: blue bonnet at November 23, 2011 04:15 AM (oZfic)
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