September 22, 2011
— andy Another one of these things. Tonight at 9pm Eastern on Fox News Channel (link is for the live stream).
These people want your vote:
That guy on the right looks vaguely familiar. Not sure who he is, but he looks baked.
Google *spit* has some part in this. Questions via YouTube, I think.
In case you haven't already seen this in the sidebar, my buddy Wiserbud over at The Hostages posted this nice reminder of why this is important today. Say it with me now ... S-C-O-A-M-F!
Standard reminder: Your comments do not automatically display. So don't ask "Why aren't my comments displaying?" They don't display.
They're not posted comments a la chat room. Instead they go to queue, which the producers (cobloggers) read, and we post them, by hand, if we think they make a good point.
Also: We're going to try to slow the scroll down a little tonight. It got kind of out of unmanageable last time, so your comments are going to have to be extra good to clear the bar.
Liveblog thingy below the fold.
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Posted by: I'm Covered at September 22, 2011 04:48 PM (KqwSL)
Posted by: Daniel at September 22, 2011 04:48 PM (lQQvy)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 04:50 PM (L5Jes)
Time to check out
Posted by: beedubya at September 22, 2011 04:51 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 04:52 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at September 22, 2011 04:55 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: jjshaka at September 22, 2011 04:55 PM (UbEWC)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 22, 2011 04:56 PM (azHfB)
I wanna know why, Santorum,Cain, Johnson, Huntsman have not dropped out.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 22, 2011 04:56 PM (b8YIP)
let em loose.
crowd roars::: Kill- Kill-
Blam and He got one, ... etc..
Posted by: willow at September 22, 2011 04:56 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: You Betcha at September 22, 2011 04:57 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Zombie Hunter Thompson at September 22, 2011 04:58 PM (GOG1H)
Well, crap. I guess me and my socks will have extra drinking time on our hands... assuming sockpuppets can have hands. Obviously drinking time started early.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 22, 2011 04:58 PM (r4t7/)
Just moved inside from the shed (I do my best drinking in the shed)
Who doesn't?
Hell, I'm not watching it now, it's not worth my spiking BP.
Posted by: ErikW at September 22, 2011 04:58 PM (iyQ4N)
Posted by: sTevo at September 22, 2011 04:58 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Michelle at September 22, 2011 04:58 PM (b8YIP)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 04:59 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 22, 2011 04:59 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 05:00 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:01 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 05:01 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 05:01 PM (ACkhT)
It's horribly early. We need many debates to actually cover anything. The candidates have really said pretty little.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 22, 2011 05:01 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Raquel at September 22, 2011 05:01 PM (1wgaP)
Posted by: Raquel at September 22, 2011 09:01 PM (1wgaP)
there is a link up in the live blog, scroll up
Posted by: robtr at September 22, 2011 05:03 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 09:01 PM (fyOgS)
..and a bitch. Can you work that in there somehow?Posted by: USS Diversity at September 22, 2011 05:03 PM (aD5Kx)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:04 PM (L5Jes)
My oh My but he is purty tonight!
Posted by: LaughingOutLoud! at September 22, 2011 05:05 PM (zNmqL)
Posted by: Derek C at September 22, 2011 05:06 PM (NumKj)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:06 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 05:06 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: James Carter Romney at September 22, 2011 05:07 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Batty Old Lady at September 22, 2011 05:08 PM (peDgK)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 05:08 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:08 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 05:09 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: sonnyspats at September 22, 2011 05:09 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 05:09 PM (Qjh0I)
I'LL ELINMINATE ALL TAXES. YEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at September 22, 2011 05:09 PM (b8YIP)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:09 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: sonnyspats at September 22, 2011 05:10 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:10 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: the ghost of daniel patrick moynihan at September 22, 2011 05:10 PM (bY+Nu)
Posted by: dogfish at September 22, 2011 05:10 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 05:10 PM (GTbGH)
"I hope they stay on slicing and dicing SCOAMF instead of each other."
Agreed, who can go after Barry the most effectively should be nominated, and this is the platform that should be used primarily to show those skills, as well as being able to deflect tactics Barry will use. I hope they go after Barry more than each other.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 05:11 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 05:11 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:11 PM (AEIYh)
We don't have to give money BACK to the government. They did not give it to us in the first place.
We have to let the government TAKE our money at the point of a gun/jail time so they can redistribute it and pocket it through corrupt vote buying programs.
I do agree we should be able to keep all of what we earn, and let everyone pay some form of taxes for needed government services. Everything else can be funded by voluntary contributions.
Posted by: TexBob at September 22, 2011 05:12 PM (5/eyF)
Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at September 22, 2011 05:12 PM (b8YIP)
Posted by: Willy at September 22, 2011 05:12 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 05:12 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: phyllis diller at September 22, 2011 05:12 PM (bY+Nu)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:13 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Dan at September 22, 2011 05:13 PM (5gk+b)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:13 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Willy at September 22, 2011 05:14 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 22, 2011 05:14 PM (aD5Kx)
Posted by: moemo at September 22, 2011 05:14 PM (cey9b)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 22, 2011 05:14 PM (b8YIP)
Posted by: TPErik at September 22, 2011 05:14 PM (xXhWA)
Sounds like Barry Soetoro, the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: TexBob at September 22, 2011 05:14 PM (5/eyF)
saw a SCOAMF bumper sticker at cafepress.com.
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:15 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 05:15 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:16 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: LaughingOutLoud! at September 22, 2011 05:16 PM (zNmqL)
Did Romney say he'd like to see those making under $250K pay no taxes at all?
Did I hear that right?
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:18 PM (0pysv)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 05:18 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 05:19 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 05:19 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:19 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:20 PM (AEIYh)
My interest is piqued. Go on, Governor Romney.
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 05:20 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 05:20 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:21 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: dogfish at September 22, 2011 05:21 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 05:21 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 05:22 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:22 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:22 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 05:24 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 05:24 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 05:24 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 05:25 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 05:25 PM (eOXTH)
"those under two hundred grand would pay no taxes at all"
So, the fuckface has no problem growing more leaches, 'cause that's just what the hell would happen. How many wealthy people would there actually be in this country after a few years of that shit?
He's a pandering asshole.
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:25 PM (0pysv)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:27 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: buzzion at September 22, 2011 05:27 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 05:27 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 05:27 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:28 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:28 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:29 PM (niZvt)
I can't watch any more of this shit. It's the same shit it always is. Just say whatever the hell you think people want to hear, and at this point I don't think a damn one of them has the intention of doing what needs to be done to fix this great country.
This is just fucking sad as hell.
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:30 PM (0pysv)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 05:30 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:30 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:31 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 05:31 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 05:31 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 05:31 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 05:31 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 05:31 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:32 PM (AEIYh)
That's courage.
Posted by: derit at September 22, 2011 05:32 PM (FQlFL)
Posted by: dogfish at September 22, 2011 05:32 PM (N2yhW)
Romney thinks that sort of direct attack will turn people off. Wimpy, canny, I don't know. I think wimpy.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 05:32 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 09:01 PM (fyOgS)
..and a bitch. Can you work that in there somehow?
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 22, 2011 09:03 PM (aD5Kx)
Obama is a stuttering clusterbitch of a miserable failure? Doesn't quite have the same ring.
Posted by: not the droid you seek at September 22, 2011 05:33 PM (9TViJ)
Posted by: willow at September 22, 2011 09:30 PM (h+qn
I think one of the moderators hasn't muted the sound on their computer and tweets and emails are coming in
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 05:33 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:33 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: buzzion at September 22, 2011 05:33 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 05:33 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 05:33 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:33 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 05:33 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 05:34 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 05:34 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 05:34 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 09:33 PM (AxHOT)
ty
Posted by: willow at September 22, 2011 05:34 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:34 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 05:34 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 05:35 PM (fyOgS)
I can't watch any more of this shit. It's the same shit it always is. Just say whatever the hell you think people want to hear, and at this point I don't think a damn one of them has the intention of doing what needs to be done to fix this great country.
This is just fucking sad as hell.
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 09:30 PM (0pysv)
very well said
been working so much haven't been around here much but these debates are getting more and more upsetting as they go on...
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 05:35 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:35 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 05:36 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 05:36 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 09:34 PM (niZvt)
I agree with that statement. He doesn't seem interested in cutting the size of fed govt, but more just slowing the rate of growth of the govt.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 05:36 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:36 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 05:36 PM (00hVo)
Feel free to fuck off forever.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 22, 2011 05:37 PM (hOcpZ)
Fuck, I take back everything I said if the cretin curious is agreeing with me.
Go the fuck away your pustulous heifer.
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:37 PM (0pysv)
I have a number of reasons and all he's done thus far is double-down in all those areas.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 05:37 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 05:37 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 05:38 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 05:38 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 05:38 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: ArmyWife at September 22, 2011 05:39 PM (rtLn4)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 09:38 PM (fyOgS)
Honestly, I'm of the belief we should build cattle shoots across the Rio Grande. Herd 'em up and move 'em out.
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:39 PM (0pysv)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:39 PM (AEIYh)
perhaps they realize that a bunch of liberal trolls have taken over here and want to control everything. not to worry, people are researching the perry payments and eventually they will stop. then what will some of you guys do for a living?
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 05:40 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: dogfish at September 22, 2011 05:40 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 09:36 PM (00hVo)
Newt is the idiot savant of the conservative movement. He's an absolute Idea Machine-- some are brilliant, some are batshit crazy
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 05:40 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 05:40 PM (K0tm3)
No. Who the fuck gives a shit? Fuck off.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 22, 2011 05:41 PM (hOcpZ)
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 22, 2011 05:41 PM (STdkO)
Posted by: TexBob at September 22, 2011 05:41 PM (5/eyF)
I really don't like this at all, I wish they would stop this.
We can't hire the best teachers because we're stuck with the sucky ones who can't be fired because they're in a union. Duh
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:42 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:42 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 09:40 PM (k1rwm)
Damn, you did take the shots, didn't you?
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:42 PM (0pysv)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 05:42 PM (Qjh0I)
Only pity laughs for Perry. So sad.
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 09:41 PM (Qjh0I)
ROmney is a bitch
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 22, 2011 05:42 PM (b8YIP)
Damn, you did take the shots, didn't you?
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 09:42 PM (0pysv)
Her mom is the one that talked to Bachman.
Posted by: buzzion at September 22, 2011 05:43 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:43 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 05:44 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 22, 2011 05:44 PM (aD5Kx)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:44 PM (niZvt)
GOP going to eleventy in a border state gets you California; GOP being a little less incendiary on immigration gets you Texas.
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 09:40 PM (K0tm3)
Good. Herd 'em all to clownifornia. Then build a fence around it.
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:44 PM (0pysv)
Romney is a good debater, though, I'll give him that.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 05:44 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:44 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:45 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 09:45 PM (L5Jes)
Thank you
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 05:46 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:46 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Willy at September 22, 2011 05:46 PM (Ja9VH)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 09:45 PM (L5Jes)
Its exclamation points. A play on people that go !!!!11!!111!!!
Sometimes they'll throw in an eleventy instead of 1's
Posted by: buzzion at September 22, 2011 05:47 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 09:45 PM (L5Jes)
Thank you
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 09:46 PM (AxHOT)
Huh?
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:47 PM (L5Jes)
What's eleventy mean?
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 09:45 PM (L5Jes)
It' a variation of 'these go to eleven', a famous line in 'This is Spinal Tap'. I think.
Posted by: joejm65 at September 22, 2011 05:48 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:48 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at September 22, 2011 05:48 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 05:49 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: poljunkie at September 22, 2011 05:50 PM (XuiJf)
Oh goodie, pitting Mittens against Perry, however I am actually on Romney's side on this one, but Perry probably doesn't have a choice since well, it is Texas where most of the population are minorities. Massachusetts didn't have that problem.
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:50 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: dogfish at September 22, 2011 05:50 PM (N2yhW)
New Texico! Brought to you by Governor Rick "Suarez" Perry.
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 05:50 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:51 PM (niZvt)
Oh, Romney trying to sound fringy 'n shit. He enacts fucking Romneycare and acts like in-state tuition is something he wouldn't do, if it was politically expedient for him.
I can't stand a smarmy asswipe.
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:51 PM (0pysv)
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 22, 2011 05:51 PM (STdkO)
Posted by: JD at September 22, 2011 05:52 PM (WtMd2)
"but Perry probably doesn't have a choice since well, it is Texas where most of the population are minorities."
yep, and the feds won't deport them, Perry probably did that just for control, cannot stop illegals from coming; no fence, and can't deport them once here, feds didn't do either, Perry and the TX legislature probably thought this was the best way for the state.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 05:52 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 05:52 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:52 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:53 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 05:53 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: dogfish at September 22, 2011 05:53 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 05:53 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 09:52 PM (ACkhT)
Yeah, too bad he didn't have the balls of the AZ governor, right?
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:53 PM (0pysv)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:53 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 22, 2011 05:54 PM (b8YIP)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:54 PM (niZvt)
Perry just got burned. Spray-tanned jackass.
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 05:54 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:55 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 05:55 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 09:53 PM (Qjh0I)
Oh, I know how it came about. And, he'll definitely get rid of Obamacare, or he'll just fix it, right?
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:55 PM (0pysv)
331
Yep, that would be a better answer. How come the morons can come up with better stuff than a lot of these pro political consultants?
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 22, 2011 05:56 PM (hOcpZ)
"but Perry probably doesn't have a choice since well, it is Texas where most of the population are minorities."
I think TX has a longer border with Mexico than AZ and already pays for a good chunk of it thru thier own state taxes, my guess is the legislature in TX probably were thinking, cannot stop them from coming in, cannot deport them, again what choice to do with people already here? the only way to stop it is to have strict deportations, and that won't happen until a new administration is willing to do this.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 05:57 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: dogfish at September 22, 2011 05:57 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 05:57 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:57 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 05:57 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 05:58 PM (0pysv)
Just caught a bit of the debate on Fox. Man, there sure are a lot of people there,
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 22, 2011 05:58 PM (Zgfnd)
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 05:59 PM (YTStg)
What can a Governor do about it? At least in-state tuituon keeps them in Texas. You should like that.
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 05:59 PM (GTbGH)
331I wish Perry would say something like, "Look - current federal policy makes it impossible for us to get rid of the illegals. If we don't educate the younger ones, they'll be nothing but a burden on the rest of us forever. I wouldn't have needed to do this if it wasn't for 30 years of bipartisan refusal to stop illegal immigration!"
Not a perfect answer... but a serviceable one.
Bingo! I wish he had said exactly that. It seemed like he went in that direction when answering Santorim, but he didn't articulate it very well.
He has to actually deal with the illegal problem, not just come up with theories that sound good in a debate. What the heck has Mitt ever done to stop or slow illegal immigraion? What has he done to advance the conservative cause at all in the last four years? Come up with slick debate answers?
Posted by: 29Victor at September 22, 2011 05:59 PM (ES9R7)
Because our country's awesome and Mexico's a shithole.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 05:59 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 06:00 PM (niZvt)
348 Is it possible for *everyone* to lose a debate? Because I think that's what's happening.
And if everybody looses, Obama wins.
Posted by: 29Victor at September 22, 2011 06:00 PM (ES9R7)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:00 PM (L5Jes)
"331I wish Perry would say something like, "Look - current federal policy makes it impossible for us to get rid of the illegals. If we don't educate the younger ones, they'll be nothing but a burden on the rest of us forever. I wouldn't have needed to do this if it wasn't for 30 years of bipartisan refusal to stop illegal immigration!""
Yep, this is the reason they probably passed it, too bad Perry cannot say this outright.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:00 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:01 PM (L5Jes)
Nothing, why would he? He's not a conservative. He made that clear in the 1994 debate where he said "I was an independent during Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to take us back to Reagan-Bush."
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:01 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 22, 2011 06:01 PM (H/MnC)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 10:00 PM (niZvt
Hells yeah!!
Posted by: sonnyspats at September 22, 2011 06:01 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 06:01 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 06:02 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:02 PM (L5Jes)
Then why was Romney all over the airwaves after Romneycare was enacted, praising it and rolling in it like a dog in its crap?
And Romney is still claiming it is a good idea. At least Perry admitted he made a mistake with the HPV vaccine.
Posted by: rabidfox at September 22, 2011 06:03 PM (oTv0H)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:04 PM (K0tm3)
I can't watch any more of this shit. It's the same shit it always is. Just say whatever the hell you think people want to hear, and at this point I don't think a damn one of them has the intention of doing what needs to be done to fix this great country. This is just fucking sad as hell. Posted by: Steph
Unless one of them is Obama then whatever they do will be an improvement.
Posted by: kansas at September 22, 2011 06:04 PM (RNkjL)
Posted by: rabidfox at September 22, 2011 06:04 PM (oTv0H)
Posted by: The Detachment AudioBook at September 22, 2011 06:04 PM (+uroR)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 22, 2011 06:04 PM (niZvt)
"Then why was Romney all over the airwaves after Romneycare was enacted, praising it and rolling in it like a dog in its crap?"
You mean after he vetoed it a dozen times? He never did what you're claiming he did, which is perfectly in line with most of the Romney criticisms I hear. The only question is whether you actually think you heard what you are claiming Romney said after passage, or are you consciously lying because it fits your favorite meme?
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:05 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Cain at September 22, 2011 06:05 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Jacklynlin at September 22, 2011 06:05 PM (7vW2r)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 22, 2011 06:05 PM (b8YIP)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Fuck It) at September 22, 2011 06:05 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 06:06 PM (fyOgS)
Unless one of them is Obama then whatever they do will be an improvement.
Posted by: kansas at September 22, 2011 10:04 PM (RNkjL)
Oh, I'll vote for the muddiest pig in the sty against deWon, and crawl through broken glass to do it. I'll just be falling down drunk when I get to the polls.
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 06:06 PM (0pysv)
Romney must also be AC/DC, go both ways, on the down low...
Always trying to appease and suck up to...
He is a weasel.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at September 22, 2011 06:06 PM (s5aNX)
Posted by: logprof at September 22, 2011 06:07 PM (QaKuj)
Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at September 22, 2011 06:07 PM (vuAPB)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:08 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:08 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:09 PM (L5Jes)
Sexism is hilarious!
Posted by: Pmzey at September 22, 2011 06:09 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 10:08 PM (Qjh0I)
fuck you
one of the reasons i've felt dirty when I defend Mitt and say he's my #2 and give him props is because of douchebag Romneybots like you.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Fuck It) at September 22, 2011 06:10 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 22, 2011 06:10 PM (b8YIP)
I think I'm with Ace here, Perry is scaring me. I'm not really liking what I'm hearing.
Go Newt screw foreign aid.
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:10 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:11 PM (K0tm3)
Bachmann - lookit, lookit, it's me, Romney - I twist and turn till I get the answer I think you want to hear; Cain - 999, that's it; Ron Paul - well it's Ron Paul; Perry - I look presidential, even with the deer in the headlights look; Newt - if you just give me time i will throw a zinger or two, otherwise blech; Huntsman - hey I exist; Johnson - ditto; Santorum - I can twist my mouth when upset;
Someone tell me, a whole bunch of people in the GOP and they can't find anyone with their synapsis firing?
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 22, 2011 06:11 PM (H/MnC)
I'm done with this crap. I'll go to the polls in November and do whatever I have to to boot deWon's ass out, but there's not a damn one of them that will get in the WH and fight like hell to undo the shit deWon has done.
They'll all just tinker around the edges while they worry about the next damn election.
Posted by: Steph at September 22, 2011 06:12 PM (0pysv)
Posted by: derit at September 22, 2011 06:12 PM (FQlFL)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:12 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 06:12 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:12 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:13 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:14 PM (Qjh0I)
I'll vote for Romney in the general, holding my nose and reminiscing about 2008 when I held my nose to vote for McCain.
I'm voting for Perry or Newt in the primary, or Sarah if she decides to get in.
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:14 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:15 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 06:15 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 06:15 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:16 PM (Qjh0I)
Ok, this is sick but didn't that gay army dude look like he was hunched over some other army dude while asking his question?
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:17 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 06:17 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: Phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 06:18 PM (VbfG0)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:19 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:19 PM (K0tm3)
Ok, this is sick but didn't that gay army dude look like he was hunched over some other army dude while asking his question?
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 10:17 PM (L5Jes)
Gotta say, he had some guns, though... I say that as a manly man
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 06:19 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 06:19 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:20 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:21 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:21 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:22 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 06:22 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:22 PM (K0tm3)
I certianly don't think it's funny.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 22, 2011 06:23 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: jeanne at September 22, 2011 06:23 PM (1Ucn0)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 06:23 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Kon-nie at September 22, 2011 06:24 PM (HrKs9)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:24 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 06:25 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 10:12 PM (Qjh0I)
um fuckstick I just admitted Mitt is my #2 and Ive defended him on here but my consious bothers me with his past big Govt crap and flip-flopping and liying. if you think I like Obama then fuckstick needs to go study up more about the various commenters here.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Fuck It) at September 22, 2011 06:25 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 06:25 PM (4z6KA)
ABO - ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!!! :/
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 22, 2011 06:25 PM (Zgfnd)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:25 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: jeanne at September 22, 2011 10:23 PM (1Ucn0)
I had stage 4 cancer. 7 years out. I consider myself blessed. Blessings to your friend
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 06:25 PM (AxHOT)
396Obama's a citizen, just not a natural born one. He isn't OF America though, I agree. He doesn't have the same ideals and neither does his wife who was born here and had a regular American childhood, weird, huh.
----
And that conclusion is based on what? His first proven forgery, or the second more proven forgery?
Posted by: Jimmah at September 22, 2011 06:25 PM (F13r2)
Posted by: jeanne at September 22, 2011 06:25 PM (1Ucn0)
Posted by: Batty Old Lady at September 22, 2011 06:26 PM (peDgK)
Posted by: buzzion at September 22, 2011 06:26 PM (GULKT)
And yet he lists it as a major accomplishment.
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 06:26 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:27 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: methinks at September 22, 2011 06:27 PM (KXTwq)
#392, Logprof, reading BoTWT is a highlight of my day! I'm always bummed when there isn't one in my inbox on a weekday.
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 22, 2011 06:28 PM (Zgfnd)
Posted by: SpartanWoman at September 22, 2011 06:28 PM (B+w0T)
Posted by: jeanne at September 22, 2011 10:25 PM (1Ucn0)
not as many colleges because it costs too much. It used to be 22, now 26 for the age to be kept on their parent's insurance, what no one mentions is that this increases rates. Nothing is free.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:28 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: sonnyspats at September 22, 2011 06:29 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:29 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:29 PM (K0tm3)
And that conclusion is based on what? His first proven forgery, or the second more proven forgery?
Posted by: Jimmah at September 22, 2011 10:25 PM (F13r2)
Ok, I'll give you that, but either way he isn't eligible. I was just trying to not be a birther.
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:30 PM (L5Jes)
Herman Cain is winning this hands down.
Cain has been eloquent, offered specific proposals, and is behaving with a class and dignity befitting the presidency.
It would be nice to see him get some kind of bump from in the polls, but it probably won't happen.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at September 22, 2011 06:31 PM (FUEui)
No, just a "postpartisan" technocrat ... as he very clearly said in the 1994 debate.
One more time: "We just had 12 years of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to go back to that."
Any response to that?
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:32 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: rabidfox at September 22, 2011 06:32 PM (oTv0H)
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada! at September 22, 2011 06:32 PM (Fs7RJ)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:32 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:32 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 06:33 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: Dave S. at September 22, 2011 06:33 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: dogfish at September 22, 2011 06:33 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: methinks at September 22, 2011 06:33 PM (KXTwq)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:33 PM (K0tm3)
I'm sorry if my quote offended anyone. Again, just trying to make a point.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 22, 2011 06:33 PM (pmzey)
Perry/Romney, Romney/Perry, whichever way kicks out Barry next November 2012 is fine with me.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:34 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: SpartanWoman at September 22, 2011 06:34 PM (B+w0T)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 06:34 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:34 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: Spike at September 22, 2011 06:35 PM (WLxeI)
Posted by: Common Man at September 22, 2011 06:35 PM (qYUFR)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 06:35 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 06:35 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Fuck It) at September 22, 2011 06:36 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: rabidfox at September 22, 2011 06:36 PM (oTv0H)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 10:34 PM (NadeK)
I'm wondering how much Axelrod paying astroturf bloggers these days? The going rate in 2008 was $3500. Is it still $3500?
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:36 PM (ACkhT)
Romney fought MA Care, Perry sought the mandatory shots all on his own (or did he?).
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:36 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 22, 2011 06:36 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: SpartanWoman at September 22, 2011 06:36 PM (B+w0T)
Posted by: methinks at September 22, 2011 06:36 PM (KXTwq)
"During a televised debate with Kennedy that October, [Romney] rebutted Kennedy's effort to link him to the former president: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush," he said. "I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.""
He's not conservative. I'm not particularly conservative myself, so that's not a dealbreaker for me. But ... sure would be great to at least know what the official Mitt-Spin is on this. Anyone?
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:36 PM (YTStg)
romney needs perry's authenticness and natural charm
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 06:37 PM (NadeK)
ABO - ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!!! :/
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 22, 2011 10:25 PM (Zgfnd)
--Let the church say, "Amen"
Posted by: logprof at September 22, 2011 06:37 PM (QaKuj)
#493 I don't make many comments, but watching a tennis match while reading from a teleprompter don't make a great speaker. Please!
Posted by: Old TX Chick at September 22, 2011 06:37 PM (k2qj/)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 22, 2011 06:37 PM (deaac)
Posted by: methinks at September 22, 2011 06:37 PM (KXTwq)
Posted by: logprof at September 22, 2011 10:37 PM (QaKuj)
Amen and amen.
Posted by: antisocialist at September 22, 2011 06:38 PM (DMvUp)
yet he smoked mccain
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 06:38 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:38 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: sonnyspats at September 22, 2011 06:39 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 06:39 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: SpartanWoman at September 22, 2011 06:39 PM (B+w0T)
Stew over that for a while you fucking dope. AND GO GET YOUR SHINEBOX.
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:39 PM (Qjh0I)
"yet he smoked mccain"
not really, with the entire MSM on his side he could only get 52%, 6 million Bush voters stayed home, they won't be staying home this time around.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:39 PM (ACkhT)
This from the fuckwit who thinks "we are the ones we've been waiting for" is inspirational instead of insipid.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 22, 2011 06:40 PM (hOcpZ)
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at September 22, 2011 06:41 PM (FUEui)
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:41 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:41 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 10:40 PM (GTbGH)
Yeah, smokin' McCain in a debate is about as meaningful as beating my tired ol' PeePaw in a 10k.
Posted by: antisocialist at September 22, 2011 06:41 PM (DMvUp)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:41 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 06:41 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 06:42 PM (00hVo)
Stew over that for a while you fucking dope. AND GO GET YOUR SHINEBOX.
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 10:39 PM (Qjh0I)
So you're saying Romney doesn't have the balls to stand up to his "convictions" and refuse to sign a bad bill in protest and instead signs it and says he's proud of it?
Posted by: buzzion at September 22, 2011 06:42 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:42 PM (YTStg)
McCain also had a whiney voice and looked old as hell, Perry and Romney look vital and sound good enough to kick your obama's ass in a debate.
Posted by: SpartanWoman at September 22, 2011 06:42 PM (B+w0T)
Posted by: logprof at September 22, 2011 06:42 PM (QaKuj)
Posted by: rick perry at September 22, 2011 06:42 PM (Bcr3p)
Oh good one, Newt.
Posted by: methinks at September 22, 2011 06:42 PM (KXTwq)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 06:43 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:43 PM (K0tm3)
I like Romney. I love Perry. I really like Cain and Newt too. Huntsman's better tonight than ever. It's a pity he doesn't like his own party because he has a lot to offer.
Perry can win. He should understand that and stand up for the Country. Stand up for the Union.
Posted by: Olivia at September 22, 2011 06:43 PM (4RgiP)
That'll be too late. After 2014, it'll be irreversible. Jacob Hacker feasts on our dreams.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:43 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:43 PM (ACkhT)
lol...my obama? I never said I was voting for him.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 06:43 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: Warlord at September 22, 2011 06:44 PM (AxHOT)
Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at September 22, 2011 06:44 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 06:44 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: sonnyspats at September 22, 2011 06:44 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:45 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Spike at September 22, 2011 06:45 PM (WLxeI)
Still love all most of you all to pieces! Carry on!
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 22, 2011 06:45 PM (Zgfnd)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 22, 2011 06:45 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 22, 2011 06:45 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September
Give the credit to Rush. He told that joke on todays show.
Posted by: sonnyspats at September 22, 2011 06:45 PM (I/MzF)
FIX THE TAX CODE!
Johnson's GOOD! He should be getting a lot more air time.
The GOP has more talent now than I have EVER seen before - and I'm OLD!
Posted by: methinks at September 22, 2011 06:46 PM (KXTwq)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 06:46 PM (K0tm3)
He could crush anyone this side of Andre the Giant, though.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:46 PM (YTStg)
"What would he do better? "
Supreme Ct justices, pulling in many agencies. He may not want to, but fiscal conservatives in Congress will, and the biggest thing Romney (or any repub candidate ) brings is that he[romney] will not stand in the way.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:46 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 06:46 PM (JM2AX)
Mercifully the final round is upon us.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at September 22, 2011 06:46 PM (FUEui)
Is zero bigger than zero? That's like one of them Zen riddles.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:47 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 06:47 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: Sarah Palin at September 22, 2011 06:47 PM (b8YIP)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 06:47 PM (hiMsy)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:48 PM (ACkhT)
But my heart's not in it tonight.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:48 PM (YTStg)
- My two dogs have created more shovel-ready jobs than Barack Obama.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:50 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 06:50 PM (00hVo)
I had an epiphany also. Make people buy their food stamps. Sounds rediculous at first but if people had to use money out of their wallet, whether it came from a minimum wage part time job or from welfare. If you get or earn 10k and have a kid, put up one dollar, get two dollars in food stamps. I plan on submitting this idea to a couple congressmen. Any feedback.
Newt is almost cuddly tonight. Trying to get away from that Grinch image.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 22, 2011 06:51 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:51 PM (ACkhT)
Give the credit to Rush. He told that joke on todays show.
Posted by: sonnyspats at September 22, 2011 10:45 PM (I/MzF)
--What was GJ's line?
Posted by: logprof at September 22, 2011 06:51 PM (QaKuj)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 06:51 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 06:51 PM (JM2AX)
Santorum and Gingrich - unwinnable
Newt - good collegial answer.
Paul - I'm third now - if I get to second, I'll pick -- RAND!
Perry and Cain/Gingrich - good one!
Romney and Gary Johnson's dog
Bachman and Clarence Thomas but I'm talking too much
Cain and anybody.
Huntsman sit down
Posted by: methinks at September 22, 2011 06:52 PM (KXTwq)
Posted by: Common Man at September 22, 2011 06:53 PM (qYUFR)
Johnson said his neighbor's dog created more shovel-ready jobs than the SCOAMF.
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 06:53 PM (00hVo)
Of this crowd, I agree (I'm more of a libertarian so I'd like either of the Freak Brothers if I could just make them President without going through the whole election thing, but I know they'd never win).
But dude -- it's not just a question of "needing to be sharper." At times tonight he looked like he was falling asleep or having a stroke while speaking. Alarming.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:54 PM (YTStg)
Romney reminds me of someone but I can't figure out who.
Barbie's Ken at 50
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 22, 2011 10:53 PM (JKNDp)
The guy that tried to sell you a lemon of a used car
Posted by: buzzion at September 22, 2011 06:54 PM (GULKT)
this debate was much better than CNN or MS-DNC. ABO.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 06:55 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:55 PM (L5Jes)
Santorum and Gingrich - unwinnable
Newt - good collegial answer.
Paul - I'm third now - if I get to second, I'll pick -- RAND!
Perry and Cain/Gingrich - good one!
Romney and Gary Johnson's dog
Bachman and Clarence Thomas but I'm talking too much
Cain and anybody.
Huntsman sit down
Posted by: methinks at September 22, 2011 10:52 PM (KXTwq
heh heh
Posted by: sonnyspats at September 22, 2011 06:55 PM (I/MzF)
He could crush anyone this side of Andre the Giant, though.
Posted by: Knemon
///
I rather fucking doubt it, pipsqueak.
Posted by: Big John Studd at September 22, 2011 06:55 PM (IYdQ6)
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 22, 2011 06:56 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 06:56 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: shoey at September 22, 2011 06:56 PM (m6OUa)
Perry: His strength is his texan charm, the same that bush had. He is very good looking as well. His weaknesses is his poor speaking ability and his lack of energy. He also does not seem to think on his feet well.
Romney: His strength is his preparedness and intelligent presentation. His weakness is that he comes across too slick and inauthentic.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 06:56 PM (NadeK)
Mitt didn't use the word "unelectable," but he did say Perry *cannot be elected.* He's a word-splitter like few others.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 06:57 PM (YTStg)
Should have listened to Rush. Damn J-O-B thing got in the way.
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 06:57 PM (00hVo)
Rand and Ron are two words that should ever be used in the same sentence!
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 06:57 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 06:58 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: rabidfox at September 22, 2011 06:58 PM (oTv0H)
Posted by: proudonkey
Posted by: SFGoth at September 22, 2011 06:58 PM (IYdQ6)
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 06:59 PM (L5Jes)
By the half he, too, has realized what a bunch of bullshit these debates are.
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 06:59 PM (piMMO)
lol...are you phuckin serious? kiss the election goodbye. ELECTABILITY...hello!
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 07:00 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: MBM at September 22, 2011 07:00 PM (/Cz3M)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch reports self to Attack Watch at September 22, 2011 07:01 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 22, 2011 07:02 PM (5Wl/f)
These debates are hardly a showcase for oratorical skills.
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 07:02 PM (piMMO)
By the half he, too, has realized what a bunch of bullshit these debates are.
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 10:59 PM (piMMO)
1 minute answers are such crap among 9 people. I think it prevents some candidates from getting into any sort of a rhythm, since they're likely thinking about what else they should have said on the last question before being cut off.
Posted by: buzzion at September 22, 2011 07:02 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Willy at September 22, 2011 07:02 PM (Ja9VH)
But I sure as hell don't want Obama.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 22, 2011 07:03 PM (pmzey)
Gingrich/Cain would not beat Obama/Biden even if unemployment is 12%. They simply dont look presidential.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 07:03 PM (NadeK)
need old style debates back!
Posted by: trailortrash at September 22, 2011 07:03 PM (xllDV)
I said it earlier.... I believe Perry would slay anyone else on stage in an actual conversation about issues. Take the barbs and the rhetoric out of it and he shines.
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 07:05 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: SoL at September 22, 2011 07:05 PM (qhtMp)
"Gingrich/Cain would not beat Obama/Biden even if unemployment is 12%. They simply dont look presidential."
Dude, I have family that are lifelong registered dems willing to vote for a soda can if its running against Barry. The entire democrat party is imploding.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 07:05 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: poljunkie at September 22, 2011 07:05 PM (XuiJf)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Fuck It) at September 22, 2011 07:06 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: The NRA at September 22, 2011 11:03 PM (hXJOG)
Got it. May I add "with a rusty pineapple?" 
Posted by: Peaches at September 22, 2011 07:06 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:06 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 22, 2011 07:07 PM (bAySe)
Posted by: rabidfox at September 22, 2011 07:07 PM (oTv0H)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:07 PM (K0tm3)
So, in other words, you're an idiot.
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 07:07 PM (piMMO)
My husband kept saying this was like a beauty pagent format and the candidates should have worn ribbons with their state names. Seriously, the bit I watched was a repeat cat fight between Rick and Mitt and a huge echo chamber. The sound was horrible.
I am officially sick of them all and vote for ABO.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 22, 2011 07:07 PM (baL2B)
Third party = 4 more years of Obama.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 22, 2011 07:07 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: holygoat at September 22, 2011 07:08 PM (2ptZ1)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 11:06 PM (K0tm3)
Romney, Palin, or Obama
might as well not vote, Obama gets 4 more years
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Fuck It) at September 22, 2011 07:08 PM (HhCkU)
bachman, sigh not a fan today or last debate
Perry blink, well He needs agility , is he lacking confidence?
santorum a couple of ok moments
paul, Gah
johnson, High
huntsman smarmy
romney, had a couple of ok answers.
just feel like weeping really
Posted by: willow at September 22, 2011 07:08 PM (h+qn8)
"Romney will do the same to the GOP if he gets the chance."
Perhaps, that's why I think if Romney is the nominee, there needs to some some solid consitutional fiscal conservatives in the House and Senate to keep him in check.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 07:09 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:09 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 07:09 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: willow at September 22, 2011 07:09 PM (h+qn8)
If the citizens of Texas don't like it, they can vote the fuckers out.
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 07:09 PM (piMMO)
The stupid moving to Romney. Perry fading.
Are we really going to do 2008 again?
Posted by: notion at September 22, 2011 07:10 PM (MwTP4)
Romney will always be the better debater but Gov. Perry is usually rather energetic and less tongue-tied.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 07:10 PM (o2lIv)
1 minute answers are such crap among 9 people. I think it prevents some candidates from getting into any sort of a rhythm, since they're likely thinking about what else they should have said on the last question before being cut off.
Posted by: buzzion at September 22, 2011 11:02 PM (GULKT)
They need to get some of the deadwood out of there...no reason for that many people...cut down to 4 or 5 at the most.
Posted by: Red Shirt at September 22, 2011 07:11 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:11 PM (K0tm3)
They should have had Simon Cowell narrow it down to the semi-finalists.
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 07:12 PM (piMMO)
One thing is for sure, whoever won this debate, it sure as hell wasn't Rick Perry.
He's shown no improvement at all. In fact, he's gotten worse if anything.
Was Romney perfect? No. Newt was better than any of them.
But what Perry needed to do is demonstrate a stronger command of policy and an ability to think and articulate on his feet.
He didn't do it. Talking about Texas and small government doesn't cut it.
Imagine Perry in a debate with BO. Just think about that.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 22, 2011 07:12 PM (0DGtF)
Jokes and titters about dog poop and gay sex from the debaters.
So...presidential candidates have adopted the Moron Lifestyle.
We're doomed.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 22, 2011 07:12 PM (E7Z1r)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:13 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Berserker at September 22, 2011 07:13 PM (FMbng)
Willow, I feel your pain. Look on the bright side, O'Barky is imploding!
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 22, 2011 07:13 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:13 PM (K0tm3)
Lets hear their substantive ideas on the core issues we face and preferably (as someone mentioned earlier) with a little time to flesh the ideas out instead of having 4 or 5 never gonna be's up on stage wasting valuable SCOAMF bashing time.
Posted by: SoL at September 22, 2011 07:13 PM (qhtMp)
Posted by: Dave S. at September 22, 2011 07:14 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 07:15 PM (JM2AX)
What will the GOP look like if we follow Romney's triangulation?
He's going to lead the country to the left. That's the easiest way to get the most power. There's a reason the people who live off government money, but happen to be Republicans, LOVE Romney. They need Romney, not some reformer. These times are ripe for a reformer to tear down a lot of wasteful spending. The fight to prevent that will come from all directions.
I don't think Romney is corrupt. Don't get me wrong. But he knows the easiest way for a Republican to get power is to capitulate to democrats sometimes. And the dems will know this and take advantage all the damn time.
That's kinda what went wrong with Romneycare.
What will the Tea Party do with a GOP like that? We will have a third party. It could even be a good thing, I guess, as the GOP would need to be eliminated if there's no way it can be the reform our country badly needs.
We can't keep kicking the can down the road on this. If the GOP can't do it, then we do need a party that will do it. Frankly, I think the GOP is totally capable of being the Tea Party agent of reform, but we need to pick the best conservative who can win in order to do that.
I wonder what the GOP would be like had Mccain won. Would we have more TARP and stimulus? Would we have amnesty and EPA regs out the ass and even a health care reform? I think there's a real chance we would, and then politically we'd be in deeper kimschi.
A Republican will appoint much better judges, and there are many other advantages. Obama is truly corrupt, after all. So I'll vote Romney if it comes to that. But it's not nearly the pragmatic solution some might think. It's actually extremely risky with little gain.
Posted by: Dustin at September 22, 2011 07:15 PM (fF625)
The people saying "oh shit I'll vote Obama or third party or stay home rather than Romney" are just being little bitches, IMO. That's basically tantamount to admitting that Perry stepped on his own dick and it made you unhappy. Shit, it made ME unhappy. But it is what it is. HOW THE FUCK WAS ROMNEY ABLE TO USE THE 'FLIP-FLOP' CARD AGAINST RICK PERRY FOR FUCK'S SAKE?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 22, 2011 07:15 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at September 22, 2011 07:16 PM (ulPNQ)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 22, 2011 07:16 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 11:13 PM (NadeK)
Perry just needs to ask what he's accomplished in his first term...debate over as there is not one thing he can claim he has done that has been good for the country
Posted by: Red Shirt at September 22, 2011 07:16 PM (FIDMq)
Ok, Obama would demolish Perry.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 11:13 PM (NadeK)
Really? Remember no teleprompters will be allowed....so the SCOAMF won't have that crutch. Wanna rethink your answer?
Posted by: crowsting, who knows that Obama is a SCOAMF at September 22, 2011 07:16 PM (JNVm3)
Perry played the heartstrings card twice - 2 times too many in my book. He explained away his two most controversial policies to date (Gardisil and the "Texas DREAM Act") by essentially saying his feelings trump his party's "petty" politics (ala Jeb Bush's crying wife or W's "left behind" children).
As President, what's to stop such a senstive man from ignoring the rule of law and the will of the people to follow his (apparent) true muse - his own delicate feelings ?
He is one finely-placed black hair away from being a "compassionate conservative" in my book. In my gut he seems much more conservative than Romney, but I now have to ask myself if it's because of his delivery and mannerisms rather than his ideas and actions.
Perry lost ground with me tonight. None of the other frontrunners gained any, however. He's still leading my board. I'll put Newt in fourth place gaining on third until he inevitably frags himself again in a week or two.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 22, 2011 07:16 PM (CjS9e)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:17 PM (K0tm3)
Romeny did well, he could demolish Obama in a debate.
Perry needs some definite work but he has time.
The others are also rans.
They should get rid of anyone 5% or under in the polls otherwise it's just a circle jerk with some of the participants knowing they can't win and just being a pain in the ass for vanity.
Posted by: robtr at September 22, 2011 07:17 PM (MtwBb)
Only two decent debaters, Newt and Mitt, and Mitt was either saying nothing at all or pushing Obama-lite stuff.
Perry has no game.
Am I seriously starting to even think about voting for Newt? How is this possible?
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 07:17 PM (epBek)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 22, 2011 07:17 PM (baL2B)
Okay, you know what? The thing that REALLY pissed me off is that Perry had a chance to do this, when he was asked to delineate his jobs plan. AND HE TOOK A PASS. He just said "Texas!" and moved on. It was right at the beginning and it made me groan.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 22, 2011 07:17 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: marine43 at September 22, 2011 07:17 PM (9fi9A)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 22, 2011 11:13 PM (baL2B)
true, true. and anyone of these candidates would be better i believe. I'd just like to feel recovery is around the corner with the chosen. quick decisive steps immediately.
Posted by: willow at September 22, 2011 07:18 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 22, 2011 07:18 PM (TllhK)
Boehner hints House could jam Senate on CR: "We've got some work to do tomorrow and then we'll get out of here."
Final vote will be around 1:15am EST.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 07:18 PM (o2lIv)
Yes.
Yes.
Yes Yes Yes Yes.
A hundred thousand times yes. It matters. You need to win in order to do anything.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 22, 2011 07:19 PM (hIWe1)
I still say what I did in the liveblog, $50 says after tonight Palin enters the race within 30 days.
I now give Obama a 40% chance of re election, up from 25 yesterday.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 07:20 PM (vgTqP)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:20 PM (K0tm3)
Only if the debate rules disallowed any questions on job creation, energy production, foreign policy, deficit reduction, health care, or any other area in which Obama has revealed himself to be a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 22, 2011 07:20 PM (azHfB)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at September 22, 2011 07:21 PM (VbQ1q)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 07:21 PM (JM2AX)
He killed our #1 enemy in his first 2 years...I'd say thats pretty damn impressive.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 07:21 PM (NadeK)
Meaning what? Look, I have explained in painstaking, endless detail exactly where I stand on the whole Perry-Romney thing. NOBODY can accuse me of being unclear on it. I said Perry needed a good debate. I said his bad performances were pushing me, and tons of others away. He had another bad one tonight, AND also managed to insult everyone who doesn't think Texas should be subsidizing the children of illegals at the expense of actual citizens by accusing us of "not having a heart."
And you think this means I'm a terrible RINO or something, I take it. Seriously: look inward, dude. The fault does not lie in the stars, but rather with the candidate up there on the stage.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 22, 2011 07:21 PM (hIWe1)
Yes...but, but....THE CHILDREN!
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 07:22 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 22, 2011 07:22 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 07:22 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: marine43 at September 22, 2011 07:22 PM (9fi9A)
No, dude, I'm probably much more of a RINO than you are. I just don't buy this whole "oooh I *realllly* wanted to like Perry" thing from you.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 07:23 PM (YTStg)
Unfortunately, our society is still attracted to style over substance. That being said, good communications skills are important (as long as they are balanced with substance) and Gov. Perry could be doing better.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 07:23 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 22, 2011 07:23 PM (5I0Yr)
There is no logic you can offer to justify this decision that doesn't make you sound like a crazy person. None. Four more years of Obama, at a bare minimum, would allow him to push the Supreme Court to the left for a generation. If you think that's okay just to 'prove a point,' then hey, fuck you.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 22, 2011 07:23 PM (hIWe1)
Cuz he's bad, bad,....
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 07:23 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 22, 2011 07:23 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: macintx at September 22, 2011 07:24 PM (ucs8Y)
699 JeffB - Same here - Perry not only took a mulligan on immigration and gardasil, he left a lot of potential gains on the podium. He frankly seemed unprepared, and very few of the questions were from left field or confusing.
Everyone knew jobs were the main issue and he had little to nothing to say on the subject. Very disappointing, particularly where he knows that Mitt considers the economy to be his own strong point.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 22, 2011 07:24 PM (CjS9e)
Posted by: Big T Party at September 22, 2011 07:24 PM (JM2AX)
Vote GOP you crazy morons!! DO IT DAMMIT!!!
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 07:25 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 22, 2011 11:21 PM (NadeK)
Oh fuck you. He didn't kill anything except the economy.
Posted by: robtr at September 22, 2011 07:25 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: proudouchebag at September 22, 2011 07:25 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:25 PM (K0tm3)
A debate with 9 people and 1 minute to respond is hardly a good measure of communications skills. Isn't this the kind of thing that got Obama elected?
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 07:25 PM (piMMO)
In 1980 Reagan got the nomination and a whole bunch of Republicans were depressed. He was losing in the polls against Carter until the last couple of months.
Any of these people would be better than Obama. With the right general election strategy, any one of them could win.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 22, 2011 07:26 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 07:26 PM (0dyYY)
Perry was horrible. He needed to step up big time to make up for his two previous mediocre performances.
Romney smoked him. "Nice try."
Shit, Perry didn't even look Romney in the eyes when attacking him.
He's gotta be on pain meds for his back operation or something...but holy shit...it was painful to watch.
Posted by: RarestRX at September 22, 2011 07:26 PM (/eIgc)
Dude, I got on his wagon the day he announced. But it's been downhill from there. I honestly don't even care too much about the policy issues (as I've said ad nauseum), I care about the style and salesmanship. And I thought Perry would be so so much better at that than he has turned out to be.
You don't have to believe it, but I have no reason to lie about it, especially given the fact that everyone assumes I'm a RINO squish anyway: I wanted to like Perry. I still do! I was naturally averse to Romney, although he has honestly won me over somewhat with his performances. But more than anything else I WANT TO WIN.
I don't appreciate bad faith accusations.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 22, 2011 07:26 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 07:27 PM (ACkhT)
Our #1 enemy is Socialism at this time in history.
Posted by: As If! at September 22, 2011 07:27 PM (piMMO)
There are 300 million people in this country, you can't tell me we can't have presidential candidates, that are smart, accomplished, nimble, good orators, conservative . . .
Instead, we get this. Holy Mary, what a suckage.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 07:27 PM (epBek)
Evolution of the nerd:
Well here's a picture of him today, much improved. And he probably makes more money than you do too.
----
Much improved. He bought different glasses, and cropped fatter (more evolved) stomach.And if he's not still living with the parents, it looks like it was taken in the same room from 20 years ago.
Posted by: Jimmah at September 22, 2011 07:28 PM (F13r2)
Romney rubs me the wrong way. I don't trust him. At all. On anything. I wouldn't believe him if he told me today was Thursday.
Perry needs to step up for the big debates or he's Texas Toast.
Bachmann is tardasil squared. Times 100. Make it stop.
Herman Cain is awesome.
Newt's got game. And tons of photos of him on the sofa with SanFranNan.
Huntsman I can't even muster a "meh"
Johnson, dude sorta had me until he pick RuPaul.
Santorum I like but has zero chance.
RuPaul is like gas you can't pass but it won't go away.
That's all I got. Did miss anyone?
Posted by: Nora at September 22, 2011 07:28 PM (VxqUc)
I still support Perry, and I won't vote for Romney until the general, but Romney is doing a much better job making his case.
Posted by: Dave S. at September 22, 2011 07:28 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 22, 2011 07:29 PM (TMB3S)
And then took one foot off during the first debate.
"I don't appreciate bad faith accusations."
I don't give a shit what you appreciate. You strike a pose like you're fucking clarivoyant and an Old Political Hand and everything, when in reality you don't have any more of a line on what will work next year than any of the rest of us.
"And I thought Perry would be so so much better at that than he has turned out to be."
Me too. I'm disappointed too. I think everyone is.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 07:29 PM (YTStg)
Perry needs some five hour energy before the next one
Cain did a nice job
Bachmann jumped the shark
Huntsman/Johnson.. no way
Santorum/Newt gave good answers
Paul..good answers..I'd support him over obama in the general.
Posted by: Willy at September 22, 2011 07:29 PM (Ja9VH)
All we need now is Greg.
Posted by: Rick Santorum at September 22, 2011 07:29 PM (3zFBF)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:29 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Proud Donkey at September 22, 2011 07:30 PM (JM2AX)
The stupid moving to Romney. Perry fading.
Are we really going to do 2008 again?
You're right. Perry kicked ass. The NRA er and er Romneycar...and er and you er flip and flopped.
Brilliant...absolutely brilliant!
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 22, 2011 07:30 PM (0DGtF)
2) When we have a candidate, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, there will be included in every poll a potential third-party candidate--announced or not--who will have been pumped by the media. That is the JEF's only path to victory, a third-party vanity run. There are two people who might consider making a third party run if they are sufficiently pumped by the media even it means the JEF will win: Bachmann and Palin. Remember if I said, announced or not. Because the point of having a poll include Palin or Bachmann is 1) to suppress GOP turnout and enthusiasm (we could've had that one) and 2) to really get them to run and split the vote.
And there is one person on that stage who will make such a ploy possible: Romney. He is the only guy that will give the GOP buyer's remorse and leave an opening for the media to claim in some honesty that is the reason they are including these others in the poll.
That is why Romney gets such kid-glove treatment, that is why he is loved on the left: He makes a split in the GOP vote in the general absolutely certain.
Posted by: jimmuy at September 22, 2011 07:30 PM (ibeMV)
Yes. People like their politicians to be skilled communicators and have answers readily available, even if they are not actually answering the questions presented.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 07:31 PM (o2lIv)
"I can't think of anything else."
Sound just like Barry when speaking of trying to "help " the economy.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 07:31 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 22, 2011 07:31 PM (LD0av)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 07:31 PM (0dyYY)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:31 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: SoL at September 22, 2011 07:31 PM (qhtMp)
Posted by: Lindsey Graham (R-SC) at September 22, 2011 07:32 PM (3zFBF)
Posted by: John at September 22, 2011 07:33 PM (HmTkU)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 07:34 PM (0dyYY)
Posted by: Bill R. at September 22, 2011 07:35 PM (ekWve)
"How can I cast a vote for president if I don't trust the candidate? "
Vote for the candidate you do trust in the primary, the general, same principle.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 07:36 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 22, 2011 07:36 PM (TMB3S)
734 Perry was not great. I'm hoping he'll using these performances to step his game up, because my hunch is he's going to be down in the polls against Romney over the next week.
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 11:26 PM (0dyYY)
He's already passed on two opportunities to use poor debate performances to step his game up. I'm thinking that what we're seeing from Rick Perry is what we're gonna get going forward.
Posted by: holygoat at September 22, 2011 07:36 PM (2ptZ1)
The only people who seemed ready for this debate were Gingrich, Romney and to a lesser extent, Cain. Bachmann had moments where she hit her planned marks but had no rhythm compared to those three, so I'll rate her a .5.
How 6.5 out of 9 people could sound so unrehearsed, flat-footed and verbally challenged when they've spent their adult lives doing public speaking and hitting many of the same notes, and after they've declared for office and spent months on the stump, is truly beyond me.
The format is abysmal, granted, but these candidates knew that coming in, and its not like we're asking them to build a bridge - just tell us what they think !It's their job to speak, persuade and debate, at least in theory. What they are actually doing with their time seems to be something wholly unrelated, judging by the sophomoric performance of 2/3 of the field.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 22, 2011 07:37 PM (CjS9e)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 07:37 PM (0dyYY)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:38 PM (K0tm3)
if its debates that decide this, I might just vote for Newt. He is blunt, the deabtes against barry will be no contest.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 22, 2011 07:39 PM (ACkhT)
If not we will go into 2012 with Romney.
Posted by: notion at September 22, 2011 07:40 PM (MwTP4)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 07:40 PM (0dyYY)
Sorry, but I disagree. It was more than that. Reagan had spent decades prior to 1980 engaging in debates in his spare time. You can find video of some of these on the internet. Despite the "aw shucks" demeanor he gave off when he wanted to, he was very quick on his feet and had a very good command of facts in them. He had essentially prepped for the 80/84 debates for half of his entire career. This is where being an ideologue vs. just a straight political broker really comes into play. Reagan could do it. Despite the knock of being a B-movie actor that guy had heavily boned up on politics (both theory and facts) in his spare time and had debated it constantly. Perry doesn't have that sort of experience yet and so far can't.
Despite my dumping on Perry (and I was wary when everybody else was jumping on the bandwagon), I can't come up with anybody better though. I was slightly wary of Romney before, but I might have been able to buy he was just a fake liberal in the 90s. After seeing him demagogue Social Security and refuse to back down on his healthcare plan, I just don't trust him as far as I can throw him. Newt talks a good game, but blew it when he had the chance--both personally and in getting a fraction of the Contract with America passed. There's no one else I'm really even seriously considering.
Posted by: AD at September 22, 2011 07:41 PM (3v1zf)
RE: 766 - ok, 5.5 - stoopid math. I'd know how to add 3.5 and 5.5 if we'd passed Huntsman's compulsory preschool act when I was a toddler.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame - Left Behind Child at September 22, 2011 07:42 PM (CjS9e)
Posted by: John at September 22, 2011 11:33 PM (HmTkU)
So Perry wasn't such a great Tex debater...Romney is the better Mass debater...thank you, thank you I'll be here all week
Posted by: Red Shirt at September 22, 2011 07:42 PM (FIDMq)
We can't wait until 2016, there won't be a country left to save at that point. I have always like Newt, just never thought he was electable. I jumped on the Perry bandwagon really early and was looking forward to him running. I'm having a few second thoughts especially after hearing about the dream act in Texas.
Totally confused.
Posted by: jaimo at September 22, 2011 07:42 PM (L5Jes)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:42 PM (K0tm3)
Romney owned Perry tonight.
As an aside, when Perry went for the tear-jerk defense of the HPV thing and lied about the young woman he was friends with and the timing of the EO, I knew he was done. Bachmann and ABC News were already crushing that story within 15 minutes in the post-debate spin.
It isn't time to stick the fork in Perry yet, but it is time to get it out of the drawer and pick where in his empty head you're gonna stick it.
Palin has done exactly the right thing to wait and let the Perry boomlet flame out.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 22, 2011 07:43 PM (dcoFe)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 07:44 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: LAI at September 22, 2011 07:44 PM (iVem0)
Posted by: Princess Barry at September 22, 2011 07:45 PM (nxptv)
Oh I know. The one with RFK is particularly interesting. I was just responding to JeffB saying that (a) debates are key and (b) the key to debates is the off-the-cuff stuff.
Perry was pretty bad tonight --- I wasn't kidding when I said upthread that he looked like he was having a stroke during the "mitt's a flip-flopper" line. But I'm not wild about any of the rest of them.
It's bedtime. Have fun, everyone.
Posted by: Knemon at September 22, 2011 07:46 PM (YTStg)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 07:47 PM (0dyYY)
Romney is getting to stand there and take jabs at Perry and refute jabs from Perry, but the others are leaving him alone. He wins by keeping his mouth shut, just like how Obama did so well in his debates.
Romney is the establishment candidate. The media desperately want him to be our next McCain. Washington DC wants Romney. It's all about the swishy middle. Damn.
Posted by: Yip in Texas at September 22, 2011 07:50 PM (Sh+fu)
The stupid moving to Romney. Perry fading.
Are we really going to do 2008 again?
For all the attacks against McCain for being a RINO, he really doesn't even begin to compare to Romney. McCain is hated because he's attacked conservatives regularly, but he was always a reliable anti-abortion vote in the Senate, from the beginning of his career until now. He's always been reliable on defense. There are other major conservative issues on which he's been reliable. Romney, on the other hand, has flip-flopped on just about every single major issue.
I'll obviously vote for him against Obama, but I just can't get worked up over him at all in the primaries.
Posted by: AD at September 22, 2011 07:51 PM (3v1zf)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 07:51 PM (0dyYY)
As far as Palin she has to feel there is a opportunity for her now.
However, it would be funny to see her on stage defending her decision to quit her office and then say she is ready to fight for America against Obama. The laughter out of the audience would be deafening.
As far as Romney, if he is the nominee, asking Rubio to be his VP, would Rubio toss the Tea Party under the bus to be a Liberal Republican's running mate? Or would Romney default to Huntsman and hand Obama another term?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 07:52 PM (vgTqP)
Preaching to the choir.
Posted by: AD at September 22, 2011 07:53 PM (3v1zf)
Earlier, Levin touched on how the R establishment is in a big hurry to pick a front runner. His attitude is, eh, not so fast. We still have more than a year.
Posted by: Willy at September 22, 2011 07:53 PM (Ja9VH)
I don't like Romney and wont like him unless he says I want to go to Washington with enough Tea Party congressmen and senators to repeal ObamaCare. Issuing waivers to every state is not enough. Put a stake in the sonovabitch will convert me. That being said. Romney won the debate tonight. Cain was the most likable and Newt was the smartest guy in the room once again. During the post game Newt F'd it up again. His answer about unemployment and job training sucked.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 22, 2011 07:54 PM (JKNDp)
I live in Texas and Perry is the last candidate we should consider....He is against e-verify, against the border fence, pro-in state tuition for illegals (i.e. Dream Act) and all about unregulated interstate commerce between Mexico and the US....
I'd much rather have slick Mitt than the wolf in sheep's clothing!
Posted by: cat at September 22, 2011 07:54 PM (x0PlF)
Posted by: Zakn at September 22, 2011 07:55 PM (7F9i5)
No he didn't, our number 1 enemy was killed by far better men than obama, who had been in the field risking their ass for almost 10 years. Sir golfsalot was pissing away his time on the golf course when he got the call. Yeah I know the leftist douchebags think obama is batman and shit, but really, a dude standing on a golf course practicing to maybe be tiger wood's caddy one day don't paint the image of a rambo in my head. Binladen was killed by our military, obama was a bystander.
Posted by: Berserker at September 22, 2011 07:56 PM (FMbng)
So is 90% of your legislature. If it is such a big deal to Texans, why did ya'll re elect the same people who passed it?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 07:57 PM (vgTqP)
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 07:57 PM (pe7j2)
Posted by: rabidfox at September 22, 2011 11:12 PM (oTv0H)
I prefer Huntsman - by a long shot.
No, trust me you do not want Huntsman. When he left for China we Utahns celebrated because we got the Lt. Governor (who is fantastic).
Jon Hunstman is a male model. With a dead-on Blue Steele pose.
Posted by: elliot m at September 22, 2011 07:57 PM (zPich)
As far as Romney, if he is the nominee, asking Rubio to be his VP, would Rubio toss the Tea Party under the bus to be a Liberal Republican's running mate? Or would Romney default to Huntsman and hand Obama another term?
Considering the fact that Romney's platform isn't liberal, I think Rubio would probably say yes. Especially considering the 59 point jobs part of the plan.
Perry's job plan? 'We'll just do what we did in Texas'.
Did he prepare at all for this campaign?
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 22, 2011 07:57 PM (0DGtF)
Posted by: Russkilitlover at September 22, 2011 07:57 PM (BC8C0)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 07:59 PM (0dyYY)
Thank God Romney won again. The fanatics will never stop attacking him, but he rises above the contenders each and every time. Suckers.
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 22, 2011 08:00 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 22, 2011 08:01 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:01 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 08:01 PM (0dyYY)
Cain would need a strong VP.
Posted by: Dave S. at September 22, 2011 08:03 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Bill R. at September 22, 2011 08:04 PM (ekWve)
Rubio, if he is the choice, would have to look at Freedom Works criticisms of Romney and see if he could deal with them.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 08:05 PM (vgTqP)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 08:05 PM (0dyYY)
What can we expect from Romney? Souter? Stevens? Blackmun? Ooooh. I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it!
Romney is tied into conservative legal circles. That's maybe the one issue he's solid on.
Also, you're an idiot.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 08:06 PM (epBek)
Romney would have to unite the party with a Tea Party fave. It won't be Bachman, Palin. It could be a Paul Ryan...
The fact that Ryan is the chief architect of a budget which promotes entitlement reform is what will stop him from being on the ticket.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 08:06 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 08:06 PM (k1rwm)
....
Oh, look! If anyone wants to see, there's a Donkey Kong kill screen coming up!
Posted by: Kurt at September 22, 2011 08:07 PM (/DG71)
Posted by: elliot m at September 22, 2011 08:07 PM (zPich)
Posted by: ron at September 22, 2011 08:08 PM (g+yPx)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 08:09 PM (0dyYY)
Perry lied about that chick who made him do the Gardasil thing.
Meanwhile Romney is doubling down on democrat demagoguery of social security.
Fuck it, as of now I'm voting for Newt or writing in George Washington, just like every other year.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 08:11 PM (epBek)
Posted by: sunny black at September 22, 2011 08:13 PM (0dyYY)
If Governor Palin does get in at some point and gets the nomination Obama wins a second term.
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Ifven after all the Obama destruction the American people are so afraid of Palin that they would rather have Obama again, so be it! If people still don't wake up, then let 's have an economic Armagedon so that we can wake up. It may be too late. But hey that 's one way to learn I guess.
Posted by: LAI at September 22, 2011 08:13 PM (nLTW4)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 22, 2011 08:14 PM (5I0Yr)
It was probably an honest error. They all know that if they goof up a fact they will get hammered for it. They don't actually try to lie up there. Do you think Perry was at ease up there, or do you think he was struggling and goofed?
But Newt has generally looked good on that stage. It's just true. If you can't vote for Perry, I think Newt is a decent choice.
Posted by: Dustin at September 22, 2011 08:14 PM (fF625)
Posted by: sunny black at September 23, 2011 12:13 AM (0dyYY)"
Timing. Perry vaguely noted he was moved by folks like that woman with cancer, when Bachmann claimed he was moved by Merck's lobbying and some vague corruption notion. Perry is trying to explain his HPV motivation was that women are dying of cancer, not money.
But this one woman came after his EO on HPV, so folks are treating his point as though he's a liar, which they are really kinda missing the point and being pedantic about this.
Posted by: Dustin at September 22, 2011 08:16 PM (fF625)
Although someone told me today that Bachman and Perry are for some kind of highway that cuts the country in half and goes from Mexico to Canada. There were a bunch of truckers outside a building I pass every day and they aren't so thrilled with this idea as they see their jobs going out the window in favor of Mexican and Canadian drivers who aren't unionized. There were quite a few of them in their demonstration. If anyone knows what the guys was talking about educate me.
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 08:17 PM (k1rwm)
>Perry lied about that chick who made him do the Gardasil thing.
what's this about? I know there was a young woman who had cervical cancer whom he became friends with. What did he lie about
He claimed she was the reason he did the Gardasil executive order, because knowing her just touched his heart or something. But it turns out he didn't meet her until after he'd done the Gardasil thing.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 08:18 PM (epBek)
But Newt has generally looked good on that stage. It's just true. If you can't vote for Perry, I think Newt is a decent choice.
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Nah. For all his good talk, he seems so ready to compromise just like Romney (he was trying to work with Pelosi and Hillary when the political tide was tough). Palin BS is small now compared to all the garbages from Obama.
Posted by: LAI at September 22, 2011 08:18 PM (nLTW4)
You're too fucking stupid to be educated. Fuck off, troll.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 22, 2011 08:19 PM (hOcpZ)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 08:21 PM (o2lIv)
He claimed she was the reason he did the Gardasil executive order, because knowing her just touched his heart or something. But it turns out he didn't meet her until after he'd done the Gardasil thing.
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This is minor stuff. Just missed on the timing. If you want to attack him on cronyism, there are bigger stories than this. Anyway, I am done with Romney. Palin is the only one with a chance outside of Romney and Perry.
Posted by: LAI at September 22, 2011 08:22 PM (nLTW4)
You're too fucking stupid to be educated. Fuck off, troll.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 23, 2011 12:19 AM (hOcpZ)
listen potty mouth, I'd bet my IQ is waaay higher than your IQ simply from the content of your posts. It's really easy to deride another poster but bring absolutely nothing to the table yourself.
And I know my income is higher than your income exponentially since you secretly want people making two hundred grand to be taxed literally to death.
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 08:22 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 22, 2011 08:23 PM (dIHHd)
I think the people who love her, LOVE her, but they don't make enough of the electorate. The people who like her, like her but won't vote for her in a primary. And then there are some Republicans who hate her and really spread that hate in deep and insidious ways.
Posted by: sunny black at September 23, 2011 12:05 AM (0dyYY)
You might be right, but she would start off as the most conservative candidate in the field, which would give her a fighting chance. It would then be up to her to make something of that chance. Hopefully she would handle the opportunity better than Perry has to this point.
Posted by: holygoat at September 22, 2011 08:24 PM (2ptZ1)
Really, that's what you saw? I saw something shallow and trivial. An awful "debate."
Posted by: notion at September 22, 2011 08:24 PM (MwTP4)
"I still support Governor Perry."
Assuming he can study enough and assuming he can stay awake through a debate with Obama, I wonder how he'll do?
Nominee Perry = President Obama
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 08:24 PM (pe7j2)
Hopefully she wouldn't quit halfway thru the race
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 08:25 PM (vgTqP)
Posted by: ron at September 22, 2011 08:25 PM (g+yPx)
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 08:25 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 23, 2011 12:18 AM (epBek)
no, he did not mean her specifically. he meant women dying of cervical cancer, women like her. it was a rhetorical flourish. stop trying to score cheap points.
Posted by: chas at September 22, 2011 08:26 PM (xAq1C)
This is minor stuff. Just missed on the timing
What an idiotic defense.
"She's the reason I issued the Gardasil executive order, oops, I didnt' meet her until after I issued it' is just a miss on timing? Mmkay, that's gonna be real persuasive.
Perry is going to get hammered on this. If he tries to use a sub-Clinton defense like you just gave, he will get sledgehammered on this.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 08:26 PM (epBek)
Ok, what did the audience boo this time? Cancer kids? Puppies? Santa Claus? The libtards are going nuts on FB and I don't have the stomach right now to read the posts.
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If they are going nut on this stuff, then it again shows how shallow (and stupid) they are. Compare this to the Obama fascist economy. I don't like the term crony capitalism when applied to Obama. I like the term fascist economy better. When you tell the libs that Nazism is the German version of socialism, they would go nuts.
Posted by: LAI at September 22, 2011 08:26 PM (nLTW4)
The Perrybots are getting defensive. Watching the debate, I can see why.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 08:26 PM (epBek)
Posted by: chas at September 22, 2011 08:27 PM (xAq1C)
Did that make sense when you were typing it, Miss Fuckwit-Level-IQ?
Learn English, troll. But mostly, fuck off.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 22, 2011 08:28 PM (hOcpZ)
Posted by: mary at September 23, 2011 12:25 AM (k1rwm)
not really. when you look at the polling on the issues illegal immigration is way down the list in single digits. lots of other things on people's minds these days.
Posted by: chas at September 22, 2011 08:29 PM (xAq1C)
What an idiotic defense.
"She's the reason I issued the Gardasil executive order, oops, I didnt' meet her until after I issued it' is just a miss on timing? Mmkay, that's gonna be real persuasive.
Perry is going to get hammered on this. If he tries to use a sub-Clinton defense like you just gave, he will get sledgehammered on this.
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It is idiotic to dwell on this. That 's why I think this Gardisil attack from Bachman was stupid. Perry can admit that he was wrong about the timing. He simply was trying to explain his reason. He already admitted that he was wrong about the decision (even if he hedged it).
Posted by: LAI at September 22, 2011 08:29 PM (nLTW4)
But Newt has generally looked good on that stage. It's just true. If you can't vote for Perry, I think Newt is a decent choice.
I've been a fan of Newt's for many years. He's brilliant...moreso than anyone on that stage tonight, and I like him.
Problem is, most others don't. I've argued with them for years. It's futile. He can't win in a general election. It's a damn shame...but it's reality. The media did a number on him in 1995 of epic proporations. He did himself no favors in political and personal slips either.
As for Perry.....don't ever tell me I don't have a heart because I don't support rewarding the breaking of our nation's laws and the disrespecting of our sovereignty. He didn't just make a simple verbal gaffe. That's his attitude. He made it clear when he talked about not penalizing for their last names (twice). Tonight made it irrefutable.
No, what we have are two flawed front runners. The major difference is that Romney about ten times more prepared and articulate than Perry.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 22, 2011 08:31 PM (0DGtF)
There is no penalty put on regular American students under anything Perry has done. If you are in state, you pay in state tuition. Out of state, you pay the out of state rate. There is no penalty.
As far as the illegal aspect of the aliens, go for it. That is a valid point. But there is no penalty for American students. To say so is a complete lie.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 08:32 PM (vgTqP)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:32 PM (K0tm3)
The Perrybots are getting defensive. Watching the debate, I can see why.
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Maybe the Romneytista is getting their wish for lite Romney version of Obamacare. Looks like Bachman and other candidates were trying to take down Perry while ignoring Romney 's weakness. Maybe the Romneybots just love the fact that Romney is a good compromiser, even praising Obama for having the gut to fire GE CEO in 2009. When the political tide was tough, Romney was smart to make peace with the left. That 's his strong point for sure.
Posted by: LAI at September 22, 2011 08:32 PM (nLTW4)
The more he's on the same stage as candidates like Romney and Gingrich, who actually understand these issues and can articulate answers, the more his poll numbers will regress.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at September 22, 2011 08:33 PM (1SCIr)
Posted by: mary at September 23, 2011 12:25 AM (k1rwm)
not really. when you look at the polling on the issues illegal immigration is way down the list in single digits. lots of other things on people's minds these days.
Posted by: chas at September 23, 2011 12:29 AM (xAq1C)
Both parties have made illegal immigration something that is not PC to discuss. That doesn't mean that regular people aren't discussing it, just that they are being careful with whom they discuss the subject. Was listening to talk radio while driving today and there were two calls where the male callers were out of work and suggested that they lost their jobs because it was cheaper to hire an illegal alien. If the unions start thinking that way then perry is going to find himself out there alone.
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 08:33 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: LAI at September 22, 2011 08:34 PM (nLTW4)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:35 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 08:36 PM (epBek)
President Romney ~ President Obama
I amost agree with you. Though Romney is preferable.
Maybe there is somebody out there who is right in all the issues, who doesn't have to talk in circles around an uncomfortable issue. Somebody who is quick of wit. Somebody who can remain awake through a debate.
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 08:37 PM (pe7j2)
Posted by: Uriah Heep at September 22, 2011 08:37 PM (1SCIr)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 08:37 PM (vgTqP)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 23, 2011 12:32 AM (vgTqP)
the guy in the focus group articulated it beautifully. His son couldn't go to school in Texas cause he had to pay out of state tuition, yet, some illegal can waltz across the border and get in state tuition. Do you not understand that the man's son is an American citizen and that person would be penalized by virtue of the fact that they would have to pay out of state tuition, yet, they are favoring a person in this country, illegally, breaking the law, with a hundred thousand dollar bonus. Weighed against an American kid from another state and an illegal alien breaking the law, most Americans get angry. This will make them see perry as the pandering politician that he is.
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 08:38 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 22, 2011 08:38 PM (TMB3S)
(ChadPergram)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 08:38 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:39 PM (K0tm3)
That is the case in all the states. You do understand that don't you?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 08:39 PM (vgTqP)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 23, 2011 12:25 AM (vgTqP)
No doubt, this would be the toughest issue she would have to face as a candidate. It's the one legitimate action that she hasn't had to defend in a campaign, and it would likely make or break her candidacy, because when it comes to the issues she's as solid as they come.
Posted by: holygoat at September 22, 2011 08:39 PM (2ptZ1)
Posted by: kennesawGA at September 22, 2011 08:40 PM (8sD9j)
Making my triumphant return for many weeks away, after the unhingedness that happened re: Perry and Palin. Happy to see that Ace has pulled his endorsement of Perry. Keep the powder dry, Ace. Good stuff is on the way.
I predict Bachmann drops in the next two weeks.
Posted by: Banji Kazooie at September 22, 2011 08:40 PM (ASkgJ)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:41 PM (K0tm3)
That is the case in all the states. You do understand that don't you?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 23, 2011 12:39 AM (vgTqP)
Yes, I do understand that, however, you do not understand that Perry and his legislature consciously decided to allow criminals to have a hundred thousand dollar discount, and not an American kid from another state. Either you are being dense or you don't want to realize this. but, I have news for you, most Americans, thanks to mittens, realized this tonight.
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 08:41 PM (k1rwm)
Now with the stupid insults out of the way,
You out of the way now? Glad to hear it. Don't hurry back.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 08:42 PM (epBek)
Possibly. However, she's open to the same criticism Perry gets on jobs/economy due to the fact Alaska has a shit load of oil and natural resources and the associated jobs that go with having those resources.
And I still think that jobs and the economy will be the issue in the general election.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 08:43 PM (vgTqP)
She's not a better debater than Romney either.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 08:43 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:44 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 22, 2011 08:44 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: joyce at September 22, 2011 08:44 PM (tlqDz)
oh I see you all changing your names so I decided to do the same.
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 08:45 PM (k1rwm)
Am I alone in seeing that Perry fell asleep late in the debate? Calling Romney a flip floper and proving it is grade school stuff. He botched it horribly and weakly. He looked weak and inept.
Yes 'heartless' we terrible. So was falling asleep 10 minutes later.
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 08:45 PM (pe7j2)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:46 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 08:47 PM (pe7j2)
At this point I support anyone but Romney, but for reasons I've stated previously, I think that 4 years of Romney would do more long term damage to the country than 4 more years of lame duck Obama incompetency.
Except for the fact that two to three Supreme Court appointments will likely be made in the next four years. Just that minor detail.
sigh
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 22, 2011 08:48 PM (0DGtF)
Posted by: ron at September 22, 2011 08:48 PM (g+yPx)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:48 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 22, 2011 08:48 PM (TMB3S)
If it took Romney to tell you that you have to pay out of state tuition to attend college in another state, you should get out more often.
Yes mary, I realize that the Texas Legislature damn near unanimously passed allowing illegals to have in state tuition if they are working toward citizenship and have been in the US for 3 years. That is a fact. If you have a problem with it, hold Perry AND the Texas Legislature at fault. Don't vote for Perry if this is the deal breaker. That is your right.
However, some bullshit sob story about having to pay out of state tuition to go to school in another state doesn't mean shit to me. One of my kids went to school in another state, and she was charged out of state tuition. It is a fact of life, not a penalty.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 08:48 PM (vgTqP)
Let's put faith and trust in the American people, unless it comes to signing an opt out because that's just too tough for them.
Posted by: Michelle Bachman at September 22, 2011 08:50 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:50 PM (K0tm3)
Funny, women are always criticized for the alleged problems that could occur when governing during "that time of the month" yet we give a pass to some guy on pain meds. What a world.
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 08:51 PM (k1rwm)
Like all Romney supporters, you are unable to offer any defense of the man's record or any manner in which his presidency would be distinguishable from Obama's.
Offer me one scrap of evidence that I support Romney and I'll introduce you to a nice gay soldier who'd be just right for you.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 08:51 PM (epBek)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:53 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:54 PM (K0tm3)
The thing is, big change is coming. The economic reality of the situation is intractable at this point.
We are in a depression and the point of complete cascade is the x factor.
Trust me.
At this point, prepare across all lines.
Posted by: journolist at September 22, 2011 08:55 PM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at September 22, 2011 08:56 PM (VbQ1q)
Posted by: joyce at September 22, 2011 08:56 PM (tlqDz)
I am personally tied into Federalist Society legal circles and have friends who have either advised Romney on judicial issues or who have at least met with him, said he was very well informed on this stuff and had lots of ties to us legal righties. The only other candidate who fits that description is Newt. Santorum to a certain extent.
Suck it, dickwad.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 08:57 PM (epBek)
Cantor says the House will go home this weekend regardless of actions taken by the Senate. We shall see.
*Amendment
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 08:58 PM (o2lIv)
Right. That's what Icecream was talking about - Romney's supposed "conservative legal connections". But I expect Souter, Stevens and Blackmun - other great Justices brought to us by "moderate" Republican presidents.
You're concern is legitimate. Eisenhower selected Earl Warren. Bush picked Souter. I can assure you that both regretted it.
GWB tried to appoint an unknown in Harriet Miers...and got dogpiled over it.
I'm fairly certain Romney will go for conservatives. Moderates at worst.
With Obama, I can guarantee you two to three miserable little William Kunstlers.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 22, 2011 08:58 PM (0DGtF)
Possibly. However, she's open to the same criticism Perry gets on jobs/economy due to the fact Alaska has a shit load of oil and natural resources and the associated jobs that go with having those resources.
And I still think that jobs and the economy will be the issue in the general election.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 23, 2011 12:43 AM (vgTqP)
I think she could use that to her advantage, though, as an opening to push for more domestic drilling specifically, and to burnish her energy bona fides in general.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 23, 2011 12:43 AM (o2lIv)
She's a hell of a lot better than Perry, though (based on what I've seen from the two, which admittedly isn't much), and she'd be running as anti-Romney, anyway so it could end up being a wash. I'm just speculating here because I've really soured on Perry after his three debate performances.
Posted by: holygoat at September 22, 2011 08:59 PM (2ptZ1)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 08:59 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: not clicking just to be safe at September 22, 2011 09:00 PM (RL7U1)
I would love to agree with you. But Obama's "incompetency" is malevolent and destructive. He's already pushed (if not outright exceeded) the limits of Executive power, ignoring Congress and the will of the people at almost every turn. If he gets a 2nd term, it's Chavez time. Do you think the GOP would ever find the balls to impeach him?
No, I'm not a Romney fan.... but to get rid of Zero I'd vote for almost anybody. And hope that the Conservative Savior comes along in 4 years.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 22, 2011 09:01 PM (dIHHd)
"She's not a better debater than Romney either."
I for one would like to see it to believe it. I say jump in Sarah and let us judge. Why is it none of you even want her in the race?
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 09:01 PM (pe7j2)
Posted by: Your Inner Voice at September 22, 2011 09:01 PM (ApXjP)
A good debater (opponent) would expertly exploit those contradictions.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 09:02 PM (o2lIv)
Nothing could convince you, you drooling neckhair. Now find me a scrap of evidence that I support Romney.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 09:02 PM (epBek)
Many of us begged her to run for so long we said fuck it and went to other candidates. Jerking me off is one thing, jerking me around is another.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 09:03 PM (vgTqP)
Posted by: joyce at September 22, 2011 09:04 PM (tlqDz)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 09:05 PM (K0tm3)
For those of you who are willing to listen ----
Understand we are in a major brewing depression ---don't forget to focus on what you can control through preparation.
Whatever you are hearing in the public domain about the economic situation, multiply it by a factor of no less than 100. No joke.
Posted by: journolist at September 22, 2011 09:06 PM (Fb9Q0)
"Many of us begged her to run for so long we said fuck it and went to other candidates. Jerking me off is one thing, jerking me around is another."
BS
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 09:07 PM (pe7j2)
Posted by: OCBill at September 22, 2011 09:07 PM (MiSre)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 09:07 PM (K0tm3)
Possibly. However, she's open to the same criticism Perry gets on jobs/economy due to the fact Alaska has a shit load of oil and natural resources and the associated jobs that go with having those resources.
And I still think that jobs and the economy will be the issue in the general election.
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We can easily turn this around. Obama has even more shit loads of oil and natural resources not only in Alaska and Texas but also in Florida, Oklahoma etc... What has he done with it? WE can easily put the left on the defensive on this. The left has been covering up for Obama up until now. We need to help our candidate by spreading the TRUTH. What I care is the candidate who would represent the conservative base.
Posted by: LAI at September 22, 2011 09:07 PM (nLTW4)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 09:08 PM (K0tm3)
In short, Perry is just not that bright. Not as dumb as you, of course.
Still waiting, buttpicker.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 09:08 PM (epBek)
How so? I pushed her candidacy for two years dipshit. It became very apparent this past spring to me she wasn't going to get in the race in a timely manner. Instead she started thinking she is Ronald Reagan in female form and let everyone else jump in and start running.
you shouldn't call BS on shit you don't know about.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 09:09 PM (vgTqP)
Right - but Perry hasn't been in the race long enough to have all of the details of Romney's record and failures memorized (and does not appear to be a good debater in any event). And the rest of the field is strangely (?) unwilling to go after Romney.
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Yup it seems similar to what the Dem did to Hillary to help Obama in 2008.
Posted by: LAI at September 22, 2011 09:09 PM (nLTW4)
When did I say I have ever met or advised Romney?
English is a wonderful language in its written form. You should learn it some time.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 09:09 PM (epBek)
She might be able to express herself a bit better in a debate but it would be her clichés against Romney's obfuscation. Ultimately, then, if we are deciding who is the better debater, Romney would still win. After all, he made some terrible gaffes tonight but few people remember those because Perry was worse. Same would happen with Palin.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 09:09 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 09:10 PM (pe7j2)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 09:10 PM (K0tm3)
The Federalist Society is for people who can read.
Its only open to people who realize that knowing someone who has discussed an issue with a candidate doesn't mean you support that candidate.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 09:12 PM (epBek)
Why should Sarah get in the race now when all her potential opponents are imploding or shredding each other? They are doing her work for her.
Waiting seems wise to me.
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 09:13 PM (pe7j2)
I for one would like to see it to believe it. I say jump in Sarah and let us judge. Why is it none of you even want her in the race?
I do not recall saying anything to that effect. All I am doing is giving you my opinion that, if we want a conservative whose main purpose is to win debates, then I do not feel she fits the bill. But that obviously does not prevent her from running if she so chooses.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 09:14 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 09:14 PM (K0tm3)
"Sure thing rube. "
Yes you know I really have tracked the fictionally named responses of some douchbag on a blog that calls its frequent commenters morons.
Sorry douchbag. I don't believe you.
Maybe you can go into the archives and cut and paste?
BTW Perry reminds me of Nixon. Truely. I have been saying that for a month now.
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 09:16 PM (pe7j2)
Questions:
1. If debating isn't a Perry strength, what are his strengths? He's got some issues I'm still not resolved with.
2. Romney is GOP Clinton lite without the philandering. Slick Willard, anyone?
3. MSM will spin Huntsman's performance into being the rising star. No No NO!
4. Sorry, Johnson, Huntsman and Santorum... quit crowding the stage and leave. Now.
Posted by: either orr at September 22, 2011 09:17 PM (YcNzq)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 23, 2011 01:09 AM (o2lIv)
This assumes that Palin would only offer clichés to counter Romney's see-saw act, and I don't think she would. I think she would shove his historical and rhetorical record right down his slimy gullet, and look him in the eyes while doing it. If she gets in, she will not be wearing gloves. It's just not her style. Honestly, I want her to declare just to see someone go after Mittens, because right now, he's getting a free pass.
Posted by: holygoat at September 22, 2011 09:19 PM (2ptZ1)
Yeah, and if judges were the ONLY issue ever facing this country, your minor leap would be just a little less than jumping over the grand canyon. Even then I'd probably prefer Newt. Oh, wait, I actually said that already in this very thread, didn't I. I guess your software that converts text to speech is broken, must have missed that part.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 09:20 PM (epBek)
As to the latter, I agree. Romney has largely been untouched but he did show tonight that he is shaky when the proper pressure is applied.
With regards to Perry, something still feels "off". The lack of energy and excessive rambling is unusual.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 09:20 PM (o2lIv)
Not my problem. You are the one with the issue that I used to support and actively state that Sarah Palin should run for President until I figured out she is running a scam pretending to be a female Reagan and changed my support to Perry, the man I still feel would be the best POTUS out of the crowd of GOP candidates.
You Palin fanatics are as bad as the Paulbots. Keep pining for half term to run, you will probably get your wish shortly.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 09:20 PM (vgTqP)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 09:21 PM (K0tm3)
I do not recall saying anything to that effect. All I am doing is giving you my opinion that, if we want a conservative whose main purpose is to win debates, then I do not feel she fits the bill. But that obviously does not prevent her from running if she so chooses.
Are you Nixon also. He is the only one who I have been corresponding to about that.
Why are you pretending to be two people?
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 09:22 PM (pe7j2)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 22, 2011 09:22 PM (vgTqP)
The Romney-Perry exchange came down to: "Yes, you did!" and "No, I didn't!"
We've got five year olds running for president...and leading the polls.
...and people were impressed with that?
We are so screwed...
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 22, 2011 09:23 PM (E7Z1r)
The 2008 Palin would do what you describe, but I am not so sure anymore. Not only that, but giving speeches and providing commentary are different than debating and she is out of practice. However, if she decides to join the race, we shall see.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 09:25 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 09:25 PM (K0tm3)
I suppose I'll remember you as an ambassador for the Federalist Society when I speak of it to conservative lawyers and law students.
When they tell my some shambling sloth gibbered at them, I'll know why. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 09:26 PM (epBek)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 22, 2011 09:27 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: holygoat at September 22, 2011 09:28 PM (2ptZ1)
Posted by: gm at September 22, 2011 09:30 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 09:31 PM (pe7j2)
Hey, hey, hey, don't be dragging the Federalist Society into this.
This is entirely on the Republican party. If it can't come up with decent candidates, don't be blaming the handful of conservative lawyers in this country.
Pox on ALL the "candidate's" houses, undeclared and declared. Not one of them is worth a spit.
Posted by: Fed Soc at September 22, 2011 09:34 PM (a3p5I)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 22, 2011 09:38 PM (TMB3S)
Gingrich / Cain / Bachman / Santorum were spot-on on almost all issues.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 22, 2011 09:38 PM (Fn2b3)
I've waffled on Cain a little bit before today but lately he's been sharper and more impressive. He interested me the most in the debate. He just needs to keep on focusing on solutions I think, maybe add a little more to what he's already thrown out there.
Perry was underwhelming. I kept expecting him to pick it up or give an obvious answer but it never came.
romney was energized but doesn't change my mind about him.
Santorum, I'm not sure why he's still running. He'll be the next McCotter soon I hope.
I was interested to see how Johnson would fare given a chance with the big leagues but aside from stealing Rush's joke didn't do anything to real help himself. He seemed nervous and I doubt he'll be in the next debate. When is that, next week given debatefevah going on all of the sudden?
Paul still has some interesting things to say on the domestic side. But aside from his crazy stuff on foreign policy he's also looking like Methuselah. Wouldn't that look great in the general? I remember plenty of jokes being made about McCain being an old fart, Paul would be worse.
I like Newt but I don't see him being the nominee. Although would it be too much to ask for someone else to get the nomination and just have Newt stand in the debates against Zero?
Posted by: Arcadehero at September 22, 2011 09:40 PM (ToqL7)
Posted by: currently at September 23, 2011 01:34 AM (Hq2uB)
debating is only difficult if you are thinking of the sound bites the next day and trying to craft a persona. Newt comes across because he genuinely seems to be a genius, is old and has lived a lot of the stuff the others, except for paul, can only read about and is genuine. Newt seems to have the attitude of "I'm going to make a difference up here, make people own their ideas, bring out issues and not really care what anyone thinks about me". He probably knows he doesn't have a chance but the debates have been way more interesting with him there.
People want to see someone who really knows the issues, takes a stand, no matter what the MSM or anyone else thinks, defends that stand with logical arguments, has character and loves the country.
Lately a lot of people are saying "well, so what if BO has another term, as long as we make sure to keep the republican majority in congress and get a majority in the senate". Some people are saying we need to "follow the bachman formula" for electing our officials so that BO care can be repealed. So, if people are thinking the president's power can be minimized by electing lots of republicans then they aren't really excited about any of the candidates.
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 09:40 PM (k1rwm)
Just watched the debate a second time.
Perry looked even worse. Catastrophic. Try to spin it all you want. He seems like he decided to run for President over the summer vacation while drinking a margarita.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 22, 2011 09:42 PM (0DGtF)
So Missy80, Dick Nixon,
If Sarah jumps in won't that mean that all your judgements about her were wrong? Won't that mean that you were just sucked into the media spin? That is what you are repeating after all. What if Christie jumps in? Is that ok? Wasn't the field set?
So you used to support Sarah but because she didn't announce when you thought she should you don't support her anymore? If she were to jump in tomorrow would you support her? Or is your support for a candidate completely dependent an their announcement date? Is that how you choose a candidate?
Are you into numerology? Scientology?
I think none of the above. I think you are a liar.
Posted by: Ralph at September 22, 2011 09:49 PM (pe7j2)
Is Texas a "debate coach free" zone? How hard is it to prep a college-educated man in public debate? They know what he's going to be attacked on - give him answers, have him meorized them. They know what he is going to attack Romney on - write words that make sense and have him practice them in front of a crowd. How hard is this?
I like Cane, but I saw a softball interview with him and he did awful. He knows what he knows (mostly money), but he appeared clueless on other issues.
Newt for now.
Posted by: 29Victor at September 22, 2011 10:17 PM (ES9R7)
(1) Miss80sBaby=Miss_1980s_Baby.
(2) I have been lurking at this site since at least 2006 and commenting since 2008. "Dick Nixon" does not know me personally and vice versa.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 22, 2011 10:30 PM (o2lIv)
"You don't have a heart"
The quote of the night. By the ill-prepared, chest-thumping, "looks good on paper" Governor of Texas.
Romney/Rubio 2012
Good night!
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 22, 2011 10:39 PM (0DGtF)
Christie is different. He is who he is, like guiliani. He could probably be investigated up the wazoo and you would end up with "he is who he is". He doesn't generate the kind of vitriolic reaction that sarah palin generates. Probably because she makes herself out to be "goody two shoes" (my mom's phrase for people who want you to think they are nearly perfect but then have stuff underneath that shows they aren't). No matter how you slice it, she isn't the VP candidate who burst on the scene and was unfairly attacked anymore. She is a seasoned new commentator, a paid speaker and a successful author and media manipulator. She has evolved and with that evolution comes a realization from a lot of people that she was not who they wanted you to think she was. I don't think she is useful to the republican party as anything but an outside ravel rouser. If she enters the race you can just imagine what the dems will come up with.
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 11:00 PM (k1rwm)
I figured out why in my mind I thought that interchange stopped his candidacy cold. I kept thinking "where have I heard that?" and finally reading it in the post above made me realize, that this is the go to phrase for the libs/dems when they want to talk about things like immigration and redistribution of wealth and not taxing 52%. So, by using this phrase he aligned himself with the libs/dems cause he used their go to argument and not only that, everyone is busy trying to brand him as a dem in republican clothing, even his former boss, algore and what does he do, he goes up there tonight and throws gasoline of that fire.
that argument always puzzles me as one of my great grandmother's always tells me the story of her dad's sister who was stopped at ellis island. The rest of the family was allowed to enter the country and she was stopped. They didn't know why but they went and left her and she went back to where she came from, a thirteen year old girl. She was never able to come to the US and the family was poor and eventually some were able to visit her. That was horrible and heart retching but no one said the American people didn't have a heart, they said "well thank God everyone else got in". The mindset then, was different, more pragmatic.
Posted by: mary at September 22, 2011 11:10 PM (k1rwm)
Many of us begged her to run for so long we said fuck it and went to other candidates. Jerking me off is one thing, jerking me around is another.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 23, 2011 01:03 AM (vgTqP)
uhhh, Dick? The field is imploding, Romney is starting to pull ahead, and Palin would be the anti-Romney. Maybe what she's done by waiting to toss her hat in isn't a cock tease, but is somehow goddamn tactical? I dunno, but if Perry implodes, it's Mitt's nomination unless a strong, capable conservative gets in and wows them. Maybe Palin casts herself in that role. Maybe she's a goddamn genius or maybe she's a fool. When Perry declared I thought she had blown it by waiting in the popular aftermath, I thought Perry brilliantly stole her thunder. Now I'm not so sure. Don't be so quick to take your dick in hand, you may just miss out on the handjob of a lifetime.
Posted by: Whovian at September 22, 2011 11:16 PM (L9pfS)
Romney is a member of the Federalist Society. He has been since the 90s.
Romney is more conservative than anyone of the candidates from a conservative state. If Romney wanted to be a Democrat why wasn't he one? If he were a Democrat he would have been a very powerful one. That is where the power is in MA.
It is much more authentic conservatism to be a Conservative in MA, than a Conservative in Texas. It is much harder to swim up stream than go with the flow.
Romney will win because he is right on the issues.
Romney will win because he is better than anyone else in the race.
In a Democracy the one with the best ideas and the best performance should win.
Romney is no media darling like McCain. Or like Perry is the FoxNews darling and Rush's darling. Perry is nothing but hype. Palin is mostly hype.
Romney has beat all comers. He stands alone while his opponent's supporters make excuses.
Romney is earning respect. Romney is earning the nomination. If you can't support the winner who wins fair and square you just go ahead and vote for Obama then.
Posted by: petunia at September 22, 2011 11:35 PM (hgrmi)
964
Thank you Petunia.
I can only add, Romney has never implied I was a racist or that I was heartless.
BHO is our foe. Let's get him!
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 22, 2011 11:40 PM (0DGtF)
Romney is more conservative than anyone of the candidates from a conservative state.
Not many conservatives go around demagoguing social security.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 22, 2011 11:45 PM (epBek)
petunia, I'd sooner not vote at all than vote for Romney. He'd bring in the same establishment Republicans who screwed us for eight years under the Bush Administraation, except Romney doesn't even have Bush's backbone or principles. I would almost (but not quote) rather see Obama re-elected than watch Romney destroy the conservative movement from the inside out. Under Romney, the destruction of our country would continue unabated with the collusion of Congresesional Republicans...only at a slightly slower pace.
If Romney is the best the GOP can offer up, I wan't nothing to do with it.
Posted by: DRayRaven at September 23, 2011 01:50 AM (4kYSc)
I've always been a Palin supporter, but how is it not obvious that she was smart to wait? She still has the ability to still get her message out via Facebook or FOX News. Everybody covers her comments. Some of these campaigns are struggling for cash (it costs money to be 'in').
How many times has she said she would run an unconventional campaign? That seems like a bigger worry than a late entry or the perception that has been drilled into people's heads that she can't win.
Nobody has the ground game Palin has. She has people in little cities and towns across America just waiting to campaign for her. There are dozens if not hundreds of pro-Palin bloggers. She crushes everyone with her internet presence and ready-made supporters. Her biggest obstacle is people who tell her that she can't do it because the media has smeared her so badly (even if every smear is proven untrue). The same people who say she has waited too long and played with their support will probably rush to Chris Christie without hesitation (even though he swore about a million times he would not run - talk about a tease!).
Posted by: CapitalG at September 23, 2011 02:18 AM (WHPwa)
Posted by: Joffen at September 23, 2011 02:27 AM (EPcuy)
Perry....hahahahaha...has a heart....oi
TOAST
DONE
OVAH
That dumb hilbilly from wasilla sure does look smarter now.
Might want to take another look at her Ace now that your mancrush is crashing and burning...lol.
Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka at September 23, 2011 03:02 AM (bs3JI)
This is who you're calling more conservative than any of the other candidates on stage:
Link
If Romney wanted to be a Democrat why wasn't he one? If he were a Democrat he would have been a very powerful one. That is where the power is in MA.
Not being a Democrat should not be the standard for qualifying as the Republican nominee.
It is much more authentic conservatism to be a Conservative in MA, than a Conservative in Texas. It is much harder to swim up stream than go with the flow.
Mitt Romney did not run as a conservative in Massachusetts. Period.
I'd say he governed as slightly more of one, but then I'd have to come back to his universal healthcare plan, which he still defends. His distinction about it being a state plan really doesn't mean much to me in that he still seem to think that on the state level in MA, it's a good idea.
My main qualm and virtually every conservative's main qualm with the program was anti-free market, would hurt the economy, and destroy the healthcare system. That was and is the crux of the debate. The constitutional aspects were an ancillary focus until it was passed.
He can talk all he wants about the legality of universal healthcare at the national level vs. the state level--but that doesn't comfort me much when he still thinks that it's a good idea.
More importantly, Mitt Romney doesn't get credit for swimming upstream in MA when he never bothered to swim upstream.
He turned on a dime, on major issues (without much of a credible explanation), as soon as it became clear he didn't have a career in MA anymore.
Posted by: AD at September 23, 2011 03:11 AM (3v1zf)
Nobody thinks Romney isn't well informed. It's his backbone and principles they're concerned about.
Charles Fried is the faculty adviser for the Federalist Society at Romney's alma matter, HLS. He also is very well informed and has lots of ties to legal righties. That didn't stop him from endorsing Obama and recently penning an article "Obama is too Good for Us."
Now, that doesn't make Romney an Obama supporter, but it is one of the reasons ties to legal righties aren't enough, by themselves, to keep me from worrying about Romney's principles and backbone.
Posted by: AD at September 23, 2011 03:33 AM (3v1zf)
Cain would slay Obama in a debate. If you don't want to to get stuck with Romney or Perry, then go donate to a true conservative, Herman Cain. We need to fight the media picking our candidates. The only ones they push are the squishes.
http://tinyurl.com/3p3x653 -- Donation link
Posted by: Sharon at September 23, 2011 04:59 AM (ASYYs)
None of the Republican candidates are actually very good or likely to make more than cosmetic changes to federal policy. Opposing tax hikes, whining about Obummercare, and outworn platitudes will not help the country much in the years ahead.
The only positive thought is that any one of them is better than more Obama and I suspect any Republican candidate who does not self-immolate will be able to defeat The One.
Can 'anyone' (and I don't mean Palin) enter the race now and still have a chance in the primaries? Any better potential candidates out there?
Posted by: RioBravo at September 23, 2011 05:06 AM (eEfYn)
Meanwhile I can sit at home complaining about the Republican President to people who don't care about what I am talking about and post occasional incoherent blog entries.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 23, 2011 05:21 AM (eEfYn)
"that doesn't make Romney an Obama supporter, but it is one of the reasons ties to legal righties aren't enough, by themselves, to keep me from worrying about Romney's principles and backbone.
"
You should be worried. I said upstream that judges are one issue where I actually trust that Romney has his head on straight. But (1) that doesn't mean he isn't screwed up on everything else and (2) it doesn't mean that he won't cave if there's a fight on judges.
I'm not sure about (2), but I am sure that Romney has some pretty screwed up positions for (1).
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 23, 2011 05:40 AM (epBek)
Geraldo defends Perry & Texas over a common sense solution...Yeah
Perry will slice into the Democrats Hispanic vote & have Reagan's Latinos campaigning for him. Not by pandering to them like McCain but by appealing to the conservatives & independents among them with border security.
#1 issue for Hispanics is education #2 is jobs. But the way Democrats unite Latinos is when immigration makes them feel under attack. Texans know this & so do conservative hispanics in Texas.
Posted by: workingclass artist at September 23, 2011 05:57 AM (tBMfq)
09/22/11: "If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought their through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society. I think that's what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature when this issue came up, only four dissenting votes. This was a state issue. Texas voted on it. And I still support it today."
So, first we're racists, then we're heartless. In the space of ten days.
President Bush called us "vigilantes" (03/24/05), McCain said we were too lazy to pick lettuce for $50/hour (04/04/06: "You can't do it, my fwiendsh") and Lindsey Graham complains that Fox is brainwashing us into opposing his amnesty schemes (05/20/11). No, actually, Senator, we listened to you and came to the conclusion all on our own that you're spouting complete horseshit. We come to the same conclusion when Democrats say these things too.
"I don't know how you would have written the Constitution in this environment."
Well, Senator Graham, the obvious and sufficient answer is that you would not have.
Anyway, if the in-state tuition for 16,000 illegals costs taxpayers $100,000 over four years, that's $400 million per year for that alone. Somehow I don't think that's a Texas policy the rest of us are interested in adopting. And I don't appreciate being called names by a Republican candidate. I get enough of that from the Democrats.
On the plus side, the President Zero ad is pretty good. I'll give Perry that.
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