November 10, 2011

Living with the Nightmare - President Romney. [ArthurK]
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Not a lot of Romney fans here, eh? Yeah, I hear ya. But it makes sense to have a Plan B.* Plan A is for our favorite candidate (SaraPerrCainRich) to drive Obama before him and hear the lamentations of Michelle. But what if that doesn't happen? What if... (dum dum dum) we're stuck with President Romney?

*Plan C is 4 More Years of Obama. Just be prepared for a Zombie Apocalypse. Most of those steps would work there.

In today's (Nov 4) GFile (email so no link) Jonah Goldberg was musing on a President Romney. Here are the relevant paragraphs (I got his permission for this extended excerpt) along with my anti-fisking (since I mostly agree with him - I just want to pile on)

(after expounding on Cain for a bit...)


I have a similar complaint about Mitt Romney. As Mark Steyn and others have pointed out, Romney has a disturbing tendency to simply take his ideas off the conventional-wisdom shelf. He lacks the conservative's skepticism that the "latest thinking" might simply be very old thinking gussied up as a breakthrough idea.

It's hard to see this tendency in him when he's in campaign mode, because it gets obscured by the pandering and positioning, but trust me, it's there.

Where I think Romney differs from Cain in this regard is that Cain's a manager. Hire a professional, motivate him, and stand back. Romney's a technocrat. He thinks that the government is there to fix things. That's what Romneycare was about, after all.

Cain is a manager. Romney thinks he can manage AND do things. He's one of the elite - he knows better. He knows about Hayek's "Fatal Conceit" theory. And thinks Hayek is right - most of the time. "I'm the exception", thinks Romney. "I'll fiddle with things just enough. A light but expert hand."

What worries me about Romney is that since he starts from the assumption that government can fix things, he thinks the way to fix things is with government. (Obviously, this is sometimes true, even according to us extremists. There are legitimate functions of government, and in those areas I can see Romney being a pretty good, even possibly great president.)

While I certainly don't like the pandering, flip-flopping, parsing, tacking, difference-splitting side of Romney, it doesn't bother me as much as it does some of my friends, for the simple reason that I don't think it tells us too much about the kind of president he would be.

Sometimes campaign styles tell us a lot about what kind of president a candidate will make, and sometimes they don't. George H. W. Bush campaigned one way, and governed another. His son pretty much campaigned the way he governed. Obama tried to campaign the way he governed but he found out that his campaign style -- promising a unicorn foal in every home, same-day soul mending, tidal prestidigitation, dragging "cynicism" out of its barca-lounger and junk-punching it for the children -- was hard to translate into a workable governing agenda.

I see Romney much more in the tradition of George H. W. Bush. He sees politics as a tacky business where you dance for the rubes so you can get the job your dad always wanted you to have.

He may have only served one term as Gov, but he's spent decades campaigning for Gov., the Senate and President. He's a smooth politician who would have been more successful had he been in state not as far-left as Mass.

The trick, therefore, for conservatives in a Romney presidency -- should it ever come to pass -- is to see Romney like a tool. I don't mean tool in the pejorative sense, like "Man, that John Kerry is a tool." I mean it in the figurative-yet-instrumental sense. Romney needs to see that his number-crunching wonkiness must be applied solely to ways to dismantle the current inefficiencies of government, not for creating new ones.

I don't think his experience at Bain Capital is all that well-suited to creating jobs in the private sector, at least not in the way he talks about it. But the ability to effectively downsize and streamline large institutions to get them refocused on their core competencies, strikes me as something we can use in the Oval Office, so long as we point him in the right direction. If he's pointed in the wrong direction, well, ugh.

And that's the key. If we get stuck with President Romney we can get much of what we want done! Here's Milton Friedman's "Create the Climate" quote again.

I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or if they try, they will shortly be out of office.

Romney is a normal American politician, not a wannabe tyrant. He'll be responsive to our pressure if we press hard enough. He would also be responsive to RINO pressure. It's our job to press harder.

To some extent this is already working with Obama! Here's bit from Mark Steyn's America Is Doomed essay in Commentary. (this is the optimistic part)

(same Friedman quote as above)

Just so. Every time Barack Obama stands at his teleprompter and is forced to pretend that he’s interested in deficit reduction, we have taken a step toward that Milton Friedman reality. You have to create the conditions, as the Tea Party and the town hall meetings did, whereby the wrong people are forced to do the right things.

One cannot wait for the great leader to descend from the heavens to do the work for us. Every glamour boy, from Barack Obama to Mitt Romney to Rick Perry, proves to have feet of clay. It’s more important that tens of millions of ordinary citizens move the meter on public discourse and force the wrong people to do the right things.

Yes, it would be easier to have Zombie Calvin Coolidge/Godzilla stomp all over DC and fix things but Hey! This is America! This is our country! We can fix things ourselves and, in fact, we're supposed to. We got into this mess by being lazy and allowing our elected leaders to act like Elite God Kings.

The Mayans were right. 2012 IS going to be the end of the world. The bullshit world of the nanny state! (cue ass-kicking music)

(submitted Nov 4)


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1 Yeah right.  In 2016 we're either going to be pining for the days of Jimmy Carter or desperately looking for a conservative candidate to take Romney on.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 10, 2011 10:43 AM (dZ756)

2 Why is the homepage constantly reloading something from youtube?

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 10, 2011 10:43 AM (usXZy)

3 Possible, but worth the risk?

Posted by: © Sponge at November 10, 2011 10:43 AM (UK9cE)

4

Posted by: Rick Perry at November 10, 2011 10:45 AM (sqkOB)

5 Plan B is "We fight".. fuck this shit, fuck this government, fuck VIPR, DHS and having to pay for my right to own a firearm.... and fuck legislating by executive order. Time for people to take a chance and step out of their comfort zone and go with an individual that scares the fucking shit out the status quo. Do I have to tell you who it is? (RP).

Posted by: UGrev at November 10, 2011 10:45 AM (yBuLL)

6 I will crawl up a mountain of broken glass to vote for Romney if he is the choice against Obama. and I am to the right of Santorum.

Posted by: Marie at November 10, 2011 10:45 AM (H50jQ)

7 So true. I am fully prepared to campaign for Romney after the primaries. None of this sour grapes Ron Paul or death bullshit. Obama is the enemy and Romney is not bad enough to make me forget it. So, this whole "conservatism will die" shit from Erkison is just that...shit. If Erikson is right, then conservatives in California should just blow their brain out now and get it over with. No, Erikson is wrong and conservatism won't die. So, I will support Romney if needs be. I will support anyone on the debate stage last night.

Posted by: Conservative Law at November 10, 2011 10:45 AM (nMMma)

8 Why is the homepage constantly reloading something from youtube?

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 10, 2011 02:43 PM (usXZy)



Likely one of the ads on the sidebar or down the page.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 10, 2011 10:46 AM (UK9cE)

9 Any Body But obama All the rest is just commentary.

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 10, 2011 10:46 AM (i6RpT)

10 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 10:46 AM (8y9MW)

11 Time for people to take a chance and step out of their comfort zone and go with an individual that scares the fucking shit out the status quo. Do I have to tell you who it is? (RP).

Posted by: UGrev at November 10, 2011 02:45 PM (yBuLL)




And we'll be dirty bombed to hell in 6 months.  We're not THAT far gone yet.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 10, 2011 10:47 AM (UK9cE)

12 While I certainly don't like the pandering, flip-flopping, parsing, tacking, difference-splitting side of Romney, it doesn't bother me as much as it does some of my friends, for the simple reason that I don't think it tells us too much about the kind of president he would be.

Ummm... Jonah?  Yeah...

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 10:48 AM (8y9MW)

13 Cain's entire career has been seeing the problems of a company and setting it on the right path.

Romney's has been to take a company over and dismantle it.


He also increased the size, scope and reach of government.

I don' trust Romney.

I trust Cain.

Posted by: McLovin at November 10, 2011 10:48 AM (j0IcY)

14 Posted by: Conservative Law at November 10, 2011 02:45 PM (nMMma)

You know, this conversation doesn't help my kids income stream cause.

Posted by: Erick Erickson at November 10, 2011 10:49 AM (5gckC)

15 "Romney is a normal American politician, not a wannabe tyrant. He'll be responsive to our pressure if we press hard enough."

Exactly! That's what I've been saying all along; no matter who wins the election, we cannot relax and go back to business as usual.

Even if Mr. or Ms. Perfect Conservative wins, he or she will be facing the Wall of Death that is the DC bureaucracy/kleptocracy. The next president has to fear us more than he fears them and that will take our continued vigilance.

Posted by: PJ at November 10, 2011 10:49 AM (DQHjw)

16
Atta boy with the positiveness Arthur.


As a side note, anybody else notice a problem of the front page not fully loading?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 10, 2011 10:49 AM (JYheX)

17 I will crawl over broken glass to not vote for Romney. I like as much as Obama. The primaries have not started yet and polls are still fluid as hell with a TON being undecided. Somebody will have to jump in despite filing deadlines or Newt will have to catch up. A lot will not vote for Romney. My reagan dem grandparents think he is too much of politician and a quote "punck ass assclown" (yes they said this) and my rino parents hate him for the same reason.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 10, 2011 10:50 AM (NMr0B)

18 Why is the homepage constantly reloading something from youtube?

Adblock plus here, no ads, nothing but good delicious bacon flavored content, and I got the same problem with the main page.

And Romney is a syphilitic tool.

Posted by: Bob Saget on Tardisil at November 10, 2011 10:50 AM (SDkq3)

19 Okay, any "silver lining" that starts with the assumption that the American People will both a) pay attention and b) ever "approve" of dismantling the entitlement state is full on, the sky is purple and grass is yellow, insane.

If we're going to dismantle the establishment state, it will (and must) be done over the people's objections.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 10:51 AM (8y9MW)

20 Let me clarify my position: Anyone But Obamney before the primaries. Anyone But Obama after the primaries. It's all about priorities.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at November 10, 2011 10:51 AM (qndXR)

21 I like Romney as much as Obama*

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 10, 2011 10:52 AM (NMr0B)

22 All you Romney Haters ( and I am not for Romney one bit) don't lose control of your bowels just yet. He is stuck at 25% at best and shows no real sign of gaining more support not matter who does good or bad ( mostly bad now a days ) around him.

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 10, 2011 10:52 AM (i6RpT)

23 NARROW!!!!!

Posted by: © Sponge at November 10, 2011 10:52 AM (UK9cE)

24 ABR then ABO

Posted by: dick cheese at November 10, 2011 10:53 AM (IfkGz)

25 It's weird...from a nonpartisan view, Romney is clearly the best candidate from the GOP - polished, competent, presentable, intelligent. Yet conservatives seem to be everything they can not to elect the ONE guy on their side who may match Obama on a stage.

Posted by: proudonkey at November 10, 2011 10:53 AM (NadeK)

26 I have been arguing this stuff for weeks. The biggest realistic step we as conservatives can take towards smaller government (eventually) is moving away from an omnipotent, personal cult-like imperial presidency (now). This, coupled with a strong conservative hand from the legislative branch has the potential for a successful Romney presidency. It actually might make an asset of one of Romney's biggest faults (weather-vane).

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at November 10, 2011 10:54 AM (tazG1)

27

Romney is about 17% better than the Stuttering Clusteroldguysinthebalcony Of A Miserable Failure. 

 

That 17% is the difference between the Wise Latina and Anthony Kennedy.  Yeah, I'm looking REAL hard for a silver lining!

Hooray for HC Mandates! (blah)

Posted by: Nora Kermit Frog Heartless at November 10, 2011 10:54 AM (VxqUc)

28

Oooh! Limbaugh was just playing clips of Newt at the debate.

THAT's the stort of stuff I liked about him before he got on the couch with Nancy.

He skewered the "what is the the media reporting incorrectly about the economy" question.

Good stuff.

Posted by: Scott J at November 10, 2011 10:54 AM (/bVuS)

29 brb, dragging "cynicism" out of its barca-lounger and junk-punching it for the children

Posted by: barry potus (c/o totus) at November 10, 2011 10:54 AM (FcR7P)

30 btw, when Rick Perry thinks Guam is going to tip over than we'll talk about a campaign ending gaffe.

Posted by: Nora Really Doesn't Want Romney That She'll Overlook Being Called Heartles at November 10, 2011 10:56 AM (VxqUc)

31 #25

+1.
Yeah, Romney isn't the textbook perfect Conservative. So what. . .who is?
That's what they said about McCain too.
Romney is "good enough", I think, and about a million times better than what we've got now. 

Posted by: looking closely at November 10, 2011 10:56 AM (6Q9g2)

32 Romney would be a historic president.  Right after the Democrats elected a guy worse than Carter the Republicans could elect someone worse than any Republican president since Nixon.  Who knows, Romney could save Nixon's reputation the same way Obama did for Carter.

Posted by: Bob Saget is not a crook at November 10, 2011 10:57 AM (SDkq3)

33 #25 it's because Romney is also liberal.

Posted by: GMan at November 10, 2011 10:57 AM (sxq57)

34 @sponge.. horseshit and you know it. He has clearly stated numerous times that we need to stop SENSELESS wars. If Iran demonstrated a clear intent on attacking, he would defend the U.S.A. Anyone who doesn't believe that should just vote for Obama because he's done such a fucking slam bam job for this country thus far. Take a chance on someone who has been steadfast in his positions for decades, where the half life of the current candidates (sans paul) is mere days.

Posted by: UGrev at November 10, 2011 10:57 AM (yBuLL)

35 Who let the smelly #ows type in?  Kick it out and fumigate.

Posted by: Nora Really Doesn't Want Romney That She'll Overlook Being Called Heartles at November 10, 2011 10:57 AM (VxqUc)

36 All those saying we need a strong legislative hand, do you really think Boehnor and McConnell are going to go against establishment bretheren? NO. We need a semi conservative president at least! There is no President that gets pulled around by Congress.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 10, 2011 10:57 AM (NMr0B)

37
You all lack VISION.  And you'll go along with all this.  You'll have to.  You see, I've bought this country so that I could DISMANTLE it!

Because I see a place where people get on and off the freeway!  On and off, off and on, all day and all NIGHT!  Soon, where America once stood will be a string of gas stations.... inexpensive motels.... restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food.... tire salons!  Automobile dealerships!  And wonderful, WONDERFUL billboards reaching as far as the eye can see!!

My God....  it'll be beautiful.

Posted by: Judge "Mitt" Doom at November 10, 2011 10:58 AM (5gckC)

38 STFU, dunce.

Posted by: toby928© at November 10, 2011 10:58 AM (GTbGH)

39 It seems this primary has become more-and-more focused on style over substance, so I would not be particularly surprised if the early primary states choose Romney. He looks and sounds like a competent executive who could beat Obama, but the only proposals I have seen that are serious policy-wise are (1) his tough talk on foreign policy and (2) his reversal on entitlement reform.

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 10, 2011 10:59 AM (d6QMz)

40 Ummm... Jonah?  Yeah...

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 02:48 PM

Amen. And aaaaa-men!

The mere fact that we are discussing having to choke back our beliefs and vote for Mutt Romney is telling in itself. The primary purpose of an election is to elect those you can agree with and trust.

The Mutt doesn't score well on either count.

Despite Goldberg's lofty pronouncements, I'm thinking the bottom line is that he wants Romney. After all, The Mutt is one of Our Crowd, the Political Elites who will save us in spite of ourselves.

Such unmitigated horsedung.

Yes, as a Massachusettsoid, I agree this state is a cesspool of liberal do-goodism. But it seems to me The Mutt didn't even put up a serious fight for any kind of government-reducing, money-saving principles.

Cain, as pointed out, is a manager. I think his idea is that he can serve as CEO of the country, bringing in people who will make his ideas happen. To some extent, I see Perry the same way. Neither comes close to being the Ideal Candidate, but both are far better than The Mutt.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 10, 2011 10:59 AM (HkOAc)

41 We'll get the candidate we deserve.  That's how democracies work.

Posted by: Anony at November 10, 2011 10:59 AM (Yigvc)

42 What pressure are we going to put on Romney that will lead to the closing of cabinet departments and a 50% reduction in federal spending? Hint:it's not going to happen.

If by some miracle we haven't collapsed by the time he takes office, we will see a mild economic improvement as the fear of Obama recedes-but this will be a false sign that things are getting better. The real problem-excessive systemic debt-will still be getting worse and will continue until the collapse.

Do you think Romney's the guy to put it back together when the bottom falls out of everything? Then knock yourself out getting him elected. I just don't see any reason for optimism.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2011 10:59 AM (sOXQX)

43 Front page gets hung up on ------- ada-cdn-ns.adtech-us(something) then b.scorecardresearch.com ------- I suspect commies

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 11:00 AM (mGnwL)

44 The hangup might be the animated gif for the concealed carry gun training ad.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 11:00 AM (mGnwL)

45 I think the most important legislative priority is to repeal Obamacare.  I don't think Mottens would (will?) make much of an effort to do that.
Please persuade me that he will, or that it doesn't matter . . . Please?
Because we're doomed (TM) and we need to transition to a better place, or to Eurosclerosis.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 10, 2011 11:00 AM (/+q0r)

46 Some desperately-needed optimism.  Thanks, Arthur.

Posted by: Caiwyn at November 10, 2011 11:01 AM (ttktr)

47 Do we really have two trolls having a discussion?  Is that what I'm seeing?


@37- Not.  Right.  And you owe me a laptop.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 11:01 AM (8y9MW)

48 I would feel fucking GREAT about Paul Ryan writing the budgets during Romney's time, yes.

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at November 10, 2011 11:01 AM (tazG1)

49

Romney cannot beat Obama.

He will be so devastatingly vilified for being an "Evil Millionaire Who Destroyed People's Lives" and a "Crazy Mormon"......that too many people will stay home and not vote at all.

It will be worse than what we went through with McCain.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 10, 2011 11:01 AM (2wW4j)

50

All I know is Plough was salivating over the prospect of running against Mitt 'No Core' Romney.

I know Obama has plenty of flip flops, but Romney doesn't have a billion bucks to match him in a flip to flip, flop to flop matchup.

Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at November 10, 2011 11:01 AM (UU0OF)

51

Never forget that we might lose Congress in 2014.

Mittens and Dems alone at home?

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 10, 2011 11:02 AM (P/F96)

52 President Mitt for Brains is too depressing to consider.  Meanwhile, I got a belly laugh out of this.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 10, 2011 11:02 AM (tQHzJ)

53 > 42 Do you think Romney's the guy to put it back together when the bottom falls out of everything? Posted by: Methos No, I don't. But the whole point of this post is Plan B. Plan A is better but it makes sense to at least CONTEMPLATE Plan b.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 11:03 AM (mGnwL)

54 I am happy to hear him say.. REPEAL obamacare.. that issue waivers talk he started off with made me cringe.

It's Mitt.  He was bound to find the "right" answer eventually.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 11:03 AM (8y9MW)

55 omg-Jonah has resorted to the- think of Romney as your tool-argument. We Are the Tools We've Been Waiting For.. ***** Jonah is dyslexic- it's Romney who thinks we are the tools. He lies to us like a...rug or something. Then speaking of tools- we have this huge tool -a battering ram the size of a M1 Abrams and we have to put that down because- Romney is the godfather of ObamaCare.

Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2011 11:03 AM (14jKX)

56

The hangup might be the animated gif for the concealed carry gun training ad.

What's funny is I own two of the three guns in the ad .

Neither of them are legal in Mitt's home state of MA (not sure about the 1911).

The box for my XD acually says "Not Legal For Sale In California" on it and AFAIK MA is even more strict.

Posted by: Scott J at November 10, 2011 11:04 AM (/bVuS)

57 Welcome to my nightmare, bitch. 

Posted by: Freddy Romney at November 10, 2011 11:04 AM (9hSKh)

58 Fuck. We're going to have to do this to ourselves again. Is there anyway to fix Perry? Seriously, can't he just get some coaching? How about a wire in the ear.There has to be a technical way to solve this problem.

Posted by: dagny at November 10, 2011 11:04 AM (i+Are)

59 Perhaps the most optimistic scenario: This country is already firmly in high gear for an economic and social meltdown. Let it occur on Obama's watch. Leftism totally discredited for at least several generations. Build a new conservative utopia. So there you go, maybe Obama getting a second term works out best in the long run. Glad I could add a little cheer.

Posted by: Dave at November 10, 2011 11:05 AM (Xm1aB)

60
Romney is a normal American politician, not a wannabe tyrant. He'll be responsive to our pressure if we press hard enough."



OK, stipulate that's accurate and Romney isn't working toward his own agenda.

Why assume that Conservatives will be any more influential on His Mitts than the other side? They're going to pressure him too, and whatever they want is going to be presented loudly as the will of the real majority. There is no anchor holding Mitt to the conservative side.

If Mitt can be blown right, he can also be blown left -- er -- as it were.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 10, 2011 11:05 AM (oBrVT)

61 I agree with this. I think Romney could be a good Republican president. But it will require constant vigilance and pressure from the right, otherwise his nature will be to drift to the middle and avoid controversy.

A moderate Repub like Romney is 100x better than a born and bred socialist traitor like Obama.

And I don't mean moderate as code for liberal. There are a # of areas where Romney has some good instincts. He's pro-free trade for example. He'd stop the insane EPA power grab Obama has set in motion.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 10, 2011 11:05 AM (QcFbt)

62 President Mitt for Brains

Nice!  I'm stealing that.

Posted by: Bob Saget doesn't have Mitt for Brains at November 10, 2011 11:05 AM (SDkq3)

63 > 51 He is better than SCOAMF but... he just delays the collapse a few years. Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp If a 4 year term of Romney can put off an "After America" style collapse for 5 years, that's an acceptable result. The Battle Never Ends. (but buying time helps)

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 11:06 AM (mGnwL)

64 We still have time for someone in the current field to catch fire or someone to jump in to rally the anti romneys. time will tell.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 10, 2011 11:06 AM (NMr0B)

65 I'm looking forward to that debate- Romney vs. Obama The Great Lie -Off 2012 Who wins? The better liar...

Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2011 11:06 AM (14jKX)

66 11 Time for people to take a chance and step out of their comfort zone and go with an individual that scares the fucking shit out the status quo. Do I have to tell you who it is? (RP).

Posted by: UGrev at November 10, 2011 02:45 PM (yBuLL)




I think you mean RIP.  The I stands for Inarticulate.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 10, 2011 11:06 AM (epBek)

67
Look at it this way.

Can Romney be much worse than Bush?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 10, 2011 11:07 AM (sqkOB)

68

"The real problem-excessive systemic debt-will still be getting worse and will continue until the collapse."

Maybe.....A growth economy could put all fears to rest. Big Business is sitting on a few trillion just waiting to be dumpled into the Private Sector.....they won't budge until Obama is out.

Also.....if someone gets China in line and is strong on tapping our own resurces, ans scalling back the EPA...things could turn around pretty quickly.

Reagan turned Lemons in Lemonade...it can be done again!

Posted by: Spicoli at November 10, 2011 11:07 AM (JMsOK)

69 Once mid terms and dems pick up.. he will go full on Rino.

I think there's no chance at all that we stave off collapse for 5 years, but guess what we get after the failed Romney presidency? A primary among all the people we wish had run this time, against him? Of course not as it would be too divisive within the party to challenge a sitting President. No, we'll get whatever bugfuck loon  promises to fix Obamacare for reals with more borrowing.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2011 11:08 AM (sOXQX)

70 The Mayans were right. 2012 IS going to be the end of the world. The bullshit world of the nanny state! (cue ass-kicking music)

Sorry, all I've got is this mid-80s REM song.

Posted by: End of the World DJ at November 10, 2011 11:08 AM (SPC42)

71 No, I don't. But the whole point of this post is Plan B. Plan A is better but it makes sense to at least CONTEMPLATE Plan b.


I would normally agree, but we aren't in a "If we don't think about it now" situation. I would rather spend my time thinking how to keep him from getting the nom, rather than figuring out how we are going to deal with him as President.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 10, 2011 11:08 AM (0q2P7)

72 There has to be a technical way to solve this problem.

I don't know about technical, but, really, debates don't matter that much.

I remember in '08 being harassed by a few (and one in particular) Obama supporters.  All the time.  Every day.  More BS about how Obama was going to save us.

Now, that kind of thing is a) wasted here in Texas and b) wasted on me in particular (as I think it would be on most of us), but it did work in far too many cases.

Well, the answer is to do the same thing.  Once we have our candidate- lobby for them at work, over lunch, in church.  Don't be afraid to bring it up and point out why our candidate is better.

But, of course, first, we have to do that to Republican Primary voters to explain to them why Perry (while, yes, flawed) is far better than Romney.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 11:08 AM (8y9MW)

73 I will not vote for Romney, and also, I do not agree that he is the most electable. If he can't get anymore than 30% of the Repubs, how will he get more than that in the general? Although it is a sore subject for a lot of people here, Perry will at least not lose all of the Mexican votes. he is strong on immigration without having made enemies of the Mexicans who are here. I say wait and see how Perry does with his media blitz before we resign ourselves to settling for an almost RINO (Mitt would have to improve to be a RINO). Perry seems great in interviews, just not great at debates.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at November 10, 2011 11:08 AM (6IV8T)

74 RushBabe, your link didn't work for me. And I could use a laugh.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at November 10, 2011 11:09 AM (MyByM)

75

Here we go. Approved gun list for MA: http://tinyurl.com/3n5xgh5

Yeah, let's make this a nationwide thing.

No. Thank. You.

Posted by: Scott J at November 10, 2011 11:09 AM (/bVuS)

76 Can Romney be much worse than Bush?

Yes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 11:09 AM (8y9MW)

77 > 61 Why assume that Conservatives will be any more influential on His Mitts than the other side? They're going to pressure him too, ... Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix I'm not assuming that. Electing Romney and going to sleep for 4 years = Disaster. But the Tea Party has been reasonably effective at applying pressure - especially to RINOs. RINOs want to get RE-elected. Remember the 2010 congressional elections. Politicians do! I never said this would be easy.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 11:10 AM (mGnwL)

78 We, the Right, have more leverage over a moderate Repub president than the Left due to party politics. To get things done Romney will need party support.

Long term I still think the best thing is to focus on the culture. Support right-wing media source (like Ace). Boycott the Left.

Give money and resources to media that support conservative ideas.

If you subscribe to HBO then you are paying Bill Maher's salary. Don't pay people to insult you and destroy America.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 10, 2011 11:10 AM (QcFbt)

79 Look at it this way. Can Romney be much worse than Bush? Yes, because Bush told you what he was up to-Romney will lie right to your face and give you that -I think you are stupid look-while he's doing what ever the hell he wants to.

Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2011 11:11 AM (14jKX)

80 Yeah, let's make this a nationwide thing.

To be fair, it has more pages of guns than I thought it would have guns.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 11:11 AM (8y9MW)

81

This country is already firmly in high gear for an economic and social meltdown.
Let it occur on Obama's watch.
Leftism totally discredited for at least several generations.
Build a new conservative utopia.
So there you go, maybe Obama getting a second term works out best in the long run.

History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme.  I worry about the potential Ein, Ein, Ein scenerio of a collapse.  Canada should too.  They has plenty of lebensraum, as it were.

Posted by: toby928© at November 10, 2011 11:11 AM (GTbGH)

82 no romney fans here? what about ace?

Posted by: Floral Bumhole at November 10, 2011 11:12 AM (9JHuT)

83 I don't see Romney as a believer in AGW doing much to restrain the EPA.

Posted by: Bob Carbon Credit Saget at November 10, 2011 11:12 AM (SDkq3)

84 Fuck. We're going to have to do this to ourselves again. Is there anyway to fix Perry? Seriously, can't he just get some coaching? How about a wire in the ear.There has to be a technical way to solve this problem. Posted by: dagny at November 10, 2011 03:04 PM (i+Are) teleprompter.

Posted by: elizabethe at November 10, 2011 11:12 AM (IL5iB)

85 To get things done Romney will need party support.

25% Republican Support.

Read that again:  if Romney even gets the nomination he'll know that he doesn't "need party support."  The party will be his perceived opposition.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 11:12 AM (8y9MW)

86 No, I don't. But the whole point of this post is Plan B. Plan A is better but it makes sense to at least CONTEMPLATE Plan b.

I will concede this is enough of a possibility we ought to have a plan for what we do after a potential Mitt nomination. Maybe some yeah-we-still-mean-it tea party rallies. I'm afraid most folks are going to claim the riddance of Obama is a big accomplishment and use it as an excuse to give Mitt a honeymoon-a luxury for which we do not have the time.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2011 11:12 AM (sOXQX)

87 The Mayans were right. 2012 IS going to be the end of the world. The bullshit world of the nanny state! (cue ass-kicking music) **** Never Say Die! Black Sabbath.

Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2011 11:13 AM (14jKX)

88 Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012

Runaway Global Warming promises to literally burn-up agricultural areas into dust worldwide by 2012, causing global famine, anarchy, diseases, and war on a global scale as military powers including the U.S., Russia, and China, fight for control of the Earth's remaining resources.

Over 4.5 billion people could die from Global Warming related causes by 2012, as planet Earth accelarates into a greed-driven horrific catastrophe.

Posted by: John Stokes at November 10, 2011 11:13 AM (e8kgV)

89 Assuming a Romney presidency, we conservatives simply have to work hard in out precincts, districts, counties and states to elect more conservatives to our state governments and to the House and Senate. Continued strong conservative control of the House, along with enough strong conservatives in the Senate to keep squishes like Scott Brown, Collins and Snow in line will help us to keep Romney to the right.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 10, 2011 11:13 AM (OL4L4)

90 Mitt Romney: Dum-Dum Approved

Posted by: campaign slogans to fail by at November 10, 2011 11:14 AM (SPC42)

91 Only way Romney will be a conservative or somewhat conservative President is if the senate and house is conservative. He'll only be conservative if it makes him popular in the media. Else he would try to appear moderate against a conservative Congress. I'm still pulling for Perry because I know that keeps us safe from having a "999" plan- it's too hard for him to remember.

Posted by: t-bird at November 10, 2011 11:14 AM (FcR7P)

92

Why It Doesn't Matter Which Republican Is The Next President

One of our biggest problems is all those federal bureaucracies infested with hacks and Leftists. These people are responsible for a lot of really bad federal policy that is really hurting our nation in so many ways.

Bush did nothing to clean it up. For instance, Karen Kraushaar. She's just one example of the losers in the federal govt. And look at all a-holes in the Justice Department. And in the CIA. The leakers and spies and saboteurs and perpetual plaintiffs.

It doesn't matter if Rick Perry is elected or Mitt Romney. Neither of them will rid the house of these varmints.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 10, 2011 11:15 AM (sqkOB)

93 People going nowhere, taken for a ride Looking for the answers that they know inside Searching for a reason, looking for a rhyme Snow White's mirror said "partners in crime!" Don't they ever have to worry? Don't you ever wonder why? It's a part of me that tells you Oh, don't you ever, don't ever say die Never, never, never say die again Sunday's satisfaction, Monday's home and dry Truth is on the doorstep, welcome in the lie All dressed up in sorrow, got no place to go Hold back, `till it's ready, taking it slow Don't they ever have to worry? Don't you ever wonder why? It's a part of me that tells you Oh, don't you ever, don't ever say die Never, never, never say die again Don't you ever say die Don't you ever say die Never say die

Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2011 11:15 AM (14jKX)

94 For everyone that thinks Mitt is the most electable, how will he deal will Obamneycare when repealing Obamacare will be a huge issue in the election? It will be used to bludgeon him. Oh, and don't think that the MSM won't be particularly ugly and vicious in using his religion against him. They will also have a field day with his flip-flops. If I could vote (or get ACORN to hook me up), I would definitely vote for Romney against the SCOaMF. No question. But I've always wondered why so many are adamant that he is the most electable candidate.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 10, 2011 11:16 AM (21lBC)

95 @sponge.. horseshit and you know it. He has clearly stated numerous times that we need to stop SENSELESS wars. If Iran demonstrated a clear intent on attacking, he would defend the U.S.A. Anyone who doesn't believe that should just vote for Obama because he's done such a fucking slam bam job for this country thus far. Take a chance on someone who has been steadfast in his positions for decades, where the half life of the current candidates (sans paul) is mere days.

Posted by: UGrev at November 10, 2011 02:57 PM (yBuLL)



You don't listen to him speak much, do you?

Oh, and your just vote Obama comment makes you not worth anyone's time.  Thanks for playing.

Paul is UNELECTABLE.  Get over it.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 10, 2011 11:16 AM (UK9cE)

96

It doesn't matter if Rick Perry is elected or Mitt Romney. Neither of them will rid the house of these varmints.

I thought Perry vowed to close some of the agencies.

I know Newt has.

Posted by: Scott J at November 10, 2011 11:16 AM (/bVuS)

97 The, let the economy collapse under Obama and ruin the Left for generations plan ... won't work.

Didn't work for FDR. Dems weren't ruined for generations after him.

The Left writes the news and the Left writes the history. So Hoover got all of the blame. Even though FDR is the one who turned a normal depression into the Great Depression.

The Left already has the narrative -- George Bush plus corporate greed ruined the economy in 2008.

And if Obama wins a 2nd term and things get even worse? That'll just show how badly Bush screwed up.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 10, 2011 11:16 AM (QcFbt)

98 Over 4.5 billion people could die from Global Warming related causes by 2012

Isn't that like 3 months away?  We're not going to able to walk down the sidewalk without stepping over the dead urchins.

Posted by: toby928© at November 10, 2011 11:16 AM (GTbGH)

99 He'll be responsive to our pressure if we press hard enough. He would also be responsive to RINO pressure. It's our job to press harder
.Mm-hmm.
Press hard enough.
Press until Mitt throws an well-creased editorial or two or three at the
knuckle-draggin' lynch mob tryin' to drag America back to the Stone Age.
Why, he might even call us "tea baggers."
'Cause of The Precedent.

Posted by: James Robinson Justice at November 10, 2011 11:17 AM (weWC7)

100  RushBabe, your link didn't work for me. And I could use a laugh.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at November 10, 2011 03:09 PM (MyByM)

Harumph.  It worked when I just tried it.  Anyhoo, it's Weasel Zippers' post about the occubaggers making a human float for a parade.  The pix is what got me.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 10, 2011 11:17 AM (tQHzJ)

101 It's weird...from a nonpartisan view, Romney is clearly the best candidate from the GOP - polished, competent, presentable, intelligent. Yet conservatives seem to be everything they can not to elect the ONE guy on their side who may match Obama on a stage. He's the Republican John Kerry. He won't inspire anyone and Obama will twist him into a pretzel over his lifelong series of flip flops.

Posted by: mAc Chaos at November 10, 2011 11:17 AM (6s7n2)

102

"MSM loves Mitt BECAUSE they know Obama can beat him."

I disagree! They love Mitt because they know Obama most likely will lose regardless, and Mitt is the least Offesive to them.

Behind the scenes.....the Left has absolutely no confidence in Obama, and they want him to lose because he has destroyed the brand. They thought this was gonna be it....the end of the Free Market....but once they figured Obama wasn't gonna pull it off they shit on him. They just put up the front still because of the absolute hatred of the Conservative Right. Many of them will be secretly voting for Romney in the general!

Posted by: Spicoli at November 10, 2011 11:17 AM (JMsOK)

103 Can Romney be much worse than Bush? If that's what you want, absolutely. Otherwise, no.

Posted by: Mittens! at November 10, 2011 11:17 AM (FcR7P)

104 I thought Perry vowed to close some of the agencies.

Two anyway ...

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and credible commenter at November 10, 2011 11:18 AM (GTbGH)

105 If Mitt is such a financial genius and will save the US, why was  Mass. in such crappy shape while he was there and esp. after he left them with Romney Care?  Something does not compute. 

Posted by: RushBabe at November 10, 2011 11:18 AM (tQHzJ)

106 OK Listen you fucking retards that say "I won't vote for Romney". If you mean in the primary, fine, I don't give a shit, vote for Ron! Paul! if you want to, who cares. BUT if you mean you won't vote for the Republican nominee against Obama please go play in the freeway and quit wasting air. If you really mean that you are a stupid fucking idiot and don't deserve to exist. Vote against Obama.

Posted by: dagny at November 10, 2011 11:18 AM (i+Are)

107 But not EPA.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 10, 2011 11:18 AM (epBek)

108 I'm eagerly awaiting dreading the cries of "The MSM / elite establishment picked our candidate!  Again!"

Know who's fault it is for the dilemma we're in regarding the current field?

Ours.

First there were was the canonization of Palin who, despite her inexperience, unpopularity, baggage and lack of substance, was heralded as the Great Alaskan Hope.

When it came to the Iowa straw poll, we looked at an inexperienced flake and decided "Look!  Pretty!  She's a fighter!  Tea Party yay!".

Then came Cain. "Oh, I love it that he has no fucking clue about anything and steps on his dick every 5 minutes- it just shows how authentic he is!  And I like hearing him talk!  And he proves I'm not racist!".

Had we not become so deranged (yeah, I went there) over having to deal with Obama and four years of a Congress controlled by Dems, perhaps we'd have been more sober about this.  Instead, we've become by irrational, over-emotional, short-sightedness.

So yeah- if and when Romney gets the nod, don't whine about the MSM or "establishment"- take your frustrations out on the nearest mirror.




Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 11:18 AM (SY2Kh)

109
Do you really believe that you, in your lifetime, will see a single federal agency shutdown?


Posted by: soothsayer at November 10, 2011 11:18 AM (sqkOB)

110 I thought Perry vowed to close some of the agencies.

Yeah.

Commerce, Education, and... wait, what was the other one?

But, honestly, yes: Rick Perry has said even before he was considering running for President that much of the Washington Bureaucracy just needs to go.  If there's anyone in the race who'll do that (besides Crazy Uncle Ron), it's Rick Perry.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 11:19 AM (8y9MW)

111 We won't press hard enough. We just won't. Funny that Mitt was compared to George H.W. Bush, who served just one term after acquiescing to the Dems too much.

Posted by: Joffen at November 10, 2011 11:19 AM (zLeKL)

112 John Stokes:

"Runaway Global Warming promises to literally burn-up agricultural areas into dust"

No.  The only thing that literally burns up into dust is elemental silicon.

Posted by: JPS at November 10, 2011 11:19 AM (mXm9k)

113 I pretty much agree, Arthur.  I've been saying this all along.  Mitt has a lot to be critical of.

But I think, in the end he would end up being a great president if we give him a GOP Congress and have a strong active electorate with groups like the Tea Party holding his feet to the fire.

He's managed the restructuring of global corporations and made them leaner and meaner.  This is what we need right now.  He may be a RINO, but I don't think he's a big government RINO.  If he can see his job as making this government leaner, restructuring our tax code and getting rid of regulations, that would be more than enough for me!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 10, 2011 11:19 AM (f9c2L)

114

Isn't that like 3 months away?  We're not going to able to walk down the sidewalk without stepping over the dead urchins.

I hate that and the smell is terrible.

Posted by: dagny at November 10, 2011 11:20 AM (i+Are)

115
We can't even de-fund Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 10, 2011 11:20 AM (sqkOB)

116 6 I will crawl up a mountain of broken glass to vote for Romney if he is the choice against Obama. and I am to the right of Santorum.

Posted by: Marie at November 10, 2011 02:45 PM (H50jQ)

What she said. ABO 2012.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at November 10, 2011 11:20 AM (baL2B)

117 If 4.5B people died from Global Warming causes, the world population would be back under that of the 1960s when there was no global warming problem. CO2 production would dramatically decrease, and the earth would cool. I'm sure that countries with superior infrastructure would be hit less hard than the 3rd world. Bring it on!

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 10, 2011 11:20 AM (OL4L4)

118 It took me to Weasel Zippers, but I got a 404 error. Thanks for telling me what it was about; I'll go look.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at November 10, 2011 11:20 AM (MyByM)

119
Funny thing about Washington D.C.

Government expands, never contracts.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 10, 2011 11:20 AM (sqkOB)

120 Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 03:18 PM (SY2Kh) THIS. A thousand times this.

Posted by: Joffen at November 10, 2011 11:21 AM (zLeKL)

121

116 But not EPA.

I believe Newt has said defund. Perry said rebuild (whatever that means).

The reality is they won't pull it off.

DEEP pockets to run the "President [TBD] wants the enviornment to be polluted so you die" ads.

Posted by: Scott J at November 10, 2011 11:21 AM (/bVuS)

122 The other thing to remember with Mitt is, we already have a weak Speaker (Boehner)and Majority leader (McConnell), so haVing a weak president (Mitt), it will be really hard for us (the people) to hold anybody to anything. Not to mention that Mitt and Obama share a lot of views, which could mean Mitt disagreeing with Boehner and McConnell. No, Mitt is not the answer. O/T, but I saw a bumper sticker that said "If Obama was the answer, it must have been a stupid question". I feel that way about Mitt.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at November 10, 2011 11:21 AM (6IV8T)

123 What's with the $300k lobbying money for Newt?

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 10, 2011 11:21 AM (OhYCU)

124

Runaway Global Warming promises to literally burn-up agricultural areas into dust worldwide by 2012

Why would like .06 of a degree cause everything to turn into desert? And wouldn't some of the more northern areas become arable like Greenland?

Posted by: dagny at November 10, 2011 11:22 AM (i+Are)

125 115 OK Listen you fucking retards that say "I won't vote for Romney". If you mean in the primary, fine, I don't give a shit, vote for Ron! Paul! if you want to, who cares. BUT if you mean you won't vote for the Republican nominee against Obama please go play in the freeway and quit wasting air. If you really mean that you are a stupid fucking idiot and don't deserve to exist. Vote against Obama.

Posted by: dagny at November 10, 2011 03:18 PM (i+Are)

What Dagny says, too. I know someone who is staying home, but she leans Democrat OWS due to believing her daughter (who was an Obama supporter). So she can stay home. Morons and 'ettes cannot stay home and pout.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at November 10, 2011 11:22 AM (baL2B)

126 126, Holdren? Is that you?

Posted by: Scott J at November 10, 2011 11:22 AM (/bVuS)

127 Fuck Ron Paul.
He's a fucking delusional idiot and would win less than 1/3rd of the vote.
You realize the NYT has all of Ron Paul's old newsletters on white supremacy just sitting there ready to go, right?

Yeah, let's nominate Ron Paul - a man opposed to the landmark Civil Rights laws of the 1960s -- to run against Obama, the first black president.

Genius. We'll win all of the votes!


Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 10, 2011 11:22 AM (QcFbt)

128 But I've always wondered why so many are adamant that he is the most electable candidate.

Don't worry you're little head about such complicated things, dear.

Posted by: Georgette Mosbacher at November 10, 2011 11:23 AM (QKKT0)

129 Your.  Not you're.

Posted by: Georgette Mosbacher at November 10, 2011 11:23 AM (QKKT0)

130 OK Listen you fucking retards that say "I won't vote for Romney". If you mean in the primary, fine, I don't give a shit, vote for Ron! Paul! if you want to, who cares. BUT if you mean you won't vote for the Republican nominee against Obama please go play in the freeway and quit wasting air. If you really mean that you are a stupid fucking idiot and don't deserve to exist. Vote against Obama.

dagny, I can't speak for everyone that's said that, but for me it's largely a response to the smug Mitt-heads that insisted we jump on the bandwagon because he's A)electable and B)inevitable.

I might vote for him (if JeffB. isn't looking), I just don't think it will matter in the long run.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2011 11:24 AM (sOXQX)

131 What Dagny says, too. I know someone who is staying home, but she leans Democrat OWS due to believing her daughter (who was an Obama supporter). So she can stay home. Morons and 'ettes cannot stay home and pout.

Is it OK if I vote and pout at the same time?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 11:25 AM (SY2Kh)

132 Here's a thought: what does Ohio's vote on ObamaCare say about their feelings toward Romney? Will he be sunk there?

Posted by: Joffen at November 10, 2011 11:25 AM (zLeKL)

133 Runaway Global Warning is running away!!!!11!eleventy1!!!!

Posted by: John Strokes at November 10, 2011 11:25 AM (QKKT0)

134

Some douche just called Rusty Humphries saying Mitt was going to govern like Reagan and become one of the best presidents in US History.

I just threw up a bit of my kidney.

Posted by: Nora Is Proud To Heartless and For Either Cain, Newt or Perry at November 10, 2011 11:26 AM (VxqUc)

135 Do you really believe that you, in your lifetime, will see a single federal agency shutdown?

I think I'll see nearly all of them shutdown. But it won't be anything to cheer for.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2011 11:26 AM (sOXQX)

136 Am I a too-late-to-the-party dunce for posting this?

I'm assuming everyone's seen it by now.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 10, 2011 11:27 AM (pLTLS)

137 as previous state and in perpetuity - Romney gets the general election vote from me as he is at least 17% better than SCOAMF....

Posted by: Nora Is Proud To Heartless and For Either Cain, Newt or Perry at November 10, 2011 11:27 AM (VxqUc)

138 It's weird...from a nonpartisan view, Romney is clearly the best candidate from the GOP - polished, competent, presentable, intelligent. Yet conservatives seem to be everything they can not to elect the ONE guy on their side who may match Obama on a stage.

Posted by: proudonkey at November 10, 2011 02:53 PM (NadeK)


Let me explain this to you slowly.  Fuck off.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 10, 2011 11:28 AM (QKKT0)

139 Oh and there's been a shooting at Occupy Burlington, VT.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 10, 2011 11:28 AM (pLTLS)

140 Sample Ron Paul newsletter quote:
"95% of the black males are semi-criminal or entirely criminal"

That's from the Ron Paul Survival Report. Ron Paul's defense is that he didn't write the offending passages. He just published them in a newsletter bearing his name.

That'll go over great once 99% of Americans are aware of these writings. We'll win everything!!

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 10, 2011 11:28 AM (QcFbt)

141 148 Whoa. Too funny/ironic. Rush said there's an ice cream treat named after him that had two scoops and a cone sticking between the scoops. Apparently, it was a well known thing up there.

Posted by: dagny at November 10, 2011 11:29 AM (i+Are)

142 "Is it OK if I vote and pout at the same time?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 03:25 PM (SY2Kh) "

Pout Away.  Just keep SCOAMF out of the white house

Posted by: Nora Is Proud To Heartless and For Either Cain, Newt or Perry at November 10, 2011 11:29 AM (VxqUc)

143 Yeah, let's nominate Ron Paul - a man opposed to the landmark Civil Rights laws of the 1960s -- to run against Obama, the first black president.

Genius. We'll win all of the votes!

I don't think anyone need worry themselves over the possibility of Paul getting nominated, because there isn't one. 

That is, unless John Travolta first comes down in a fleet of spaceships to kill all the other candidates, enslave us rat-brains then steal all our gold, aided by a cabal of Joos and the NWO.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 11:29 AM (SY2Kh)

144 Banana flavored with nuts

Posted by: dagny at November 10, 2011 11:30 AM (i+Are)

145 Here's a thought: what does Ohio's vote on ObamaCare say about their feelings toward Romney? Will he be sunk there? Posted by: Joffen
......
I don't know what it says about Romney's chances.  But it gives me hope for Ohio.

An election that was pushed by union backers to get out the vote for SB5 also produces a hands down victory against Obamacare.  That is friggin' amazing!

Let's see how Ohio votes in the primaries.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 10, 2011 11:30 AM (f9c2L)

146 Could part of the problem be that we haven't had a strong Republican come out of CA since Reagan? CA hasn't had a Republican Senator since 1992, and the Schwarzenegger governorship was a total waste of time, since he was ineligible to run for President, and did nothing to enhance the Republican party in CA.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 10, 2011 11:30 AM (OL4L4)

147 Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 10, 2011 03:27 PM (pLTLS)

I can't wait for the sequel.  Cornholed.  The Prison Years.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 10, 2011 11:31 AM (QKKT0)

148

Some douche just called Rusty Humphries saying Mitt was going to govern like Reagan and become one of the best presidents in US History.

I just threw up a bit of my kidney.

Petunia or Dan?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 11:32 AM (SY2Kh)

149 That is, unless John Travolta first comes down in a fleet of spaceships to kill all the other candidates, enslave us rat-brains then steal all our gold, aided by a cabal of Joos and the NWO.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 03:29 PM (SY2Kh)

So you're saying that there's a chance?

Posted by: Alex Jones at November 10, 2011 11:32 AM (P/F96)

150 California is gone. They voted for that retread- Jerry Brown.

Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2011 11:32 AM (14jKX)

151 "

Petunia or Dan?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 03:32 PM"

either, it sound like an old delusional man from north ga

Posted by: Nora Is Proud To Be Heartless and For Either Cain, Newt or Perry at November 10, 2011 11:33 AM (VxqUc)

152 Romney would have to make a serious inroad in the independents to make up for all of the social cons who won't vote for him.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 10, 2011 11:33 AM (TLc8G)

153 Know who's fault it is for the dilemma we're in regarding the current field?

Ours.

Hollowpoint, that's about right. We sent a message to the politicians that we wanted the not-establishment candidate, no questions asked and we got a field that thinks they don't owe us any better than "I'm not Romney."

I'm not sure how we fix that. We are in fact desperate and the GOP establishment just isn't oriented to address the problems the country has.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2011 11:34 AM (sOXQX)

154 The priority is to get SCOAMF out.
Priority 2 is to make sure conservatives get in to Congress.
You get hard core cons in and there's only so far left a Romney can go, if he'd even want to go there. The other thing is to make sure that Romney's cabinet picks are conservative. Personel is Policy!

Posted by: Iblis at November 10, 2011 11:36 AM (9221z)

155 Look it's damn simple- If we have the lie off- Romney vs. Obama- the better liar wins. We are toast for decades.... The better liar is Obama, and he has the MSM as his aides and attendants. And Obama's base believes... they are easier to fool. Hell they're Occupying Wall Street. The White House quite as a church....

Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2011 11:36 AM (14jKX)

156 I know CA is gone. I left the state a few years ago because I got tired of being the only conservative in the Bay Area. My point is that CA is a big state, and there is no Republican "farm team" of consequence in that state. The governor of CA has relatively more power than the governor of TX. The "weak governor" charge has been applied to both Bush and Perry as a pejorative. Both Nixon and Reagan came out of CA.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 10, 2011 11:37 AM (OL4L4)

157 If Mittens wins I won't be voting for him, and I can say that with a clean conscience too, since I live in New York where my Presidential vote isn't worth a horse's fuck. On the upside, I will vote in every other race.

Posted by: Zooey Deschanel's Adorable Cuteness Supports Rick Perry's Ruger for President at November 10, 2011 11:37 AM (xMHpX)

158 I have never seen anyone say "I will climb uphill on broken glass to vote for Rick Perry." I have seen many variations on this theme. This means Perry is more in line with our values than Romney. Why aren't we supporting Rick Perry? Is it really that easy to vote against our values?

Posted by: Joffen at November 10, 2011 11:38 AM (zLeKL)

159 Priority 2 is to make sure conservatives get in to Congress. You get hard core cons in and there's only so far left a Romney can go, if he'd even want to go there Na we can screw that up, too. If you look at history the party splits-they almost always come from the right. Historically the Left has been pretty damn monolithic and faithful so to speak.

Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2011 11:39 AM (14jKX)

160 172 -- Do you want to see a situation where Romney loses the popular vote but wins the Electoral College vote? IMO, Obama has to be beaten badly both ways for the Republicans to have any mandate, let alone prevent race riots.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 10, 2011 11:40 AM (OL4L4)

161 > 89 I don't see Romney as a believer in AGW doing much to restrain the EPA. Posted by: Bob Carbon Credit Saget EXACTLY. That's why -we- would have to ride his ass ALL FOUR YEARS if he were to become President. He may like to fiddle with Carbon Caps. But he would ADORE getting re-elected. Guess which he would see as the priority.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 11:41 AM (mGnwL)

162 163

Some douche just called Rusty Humphries saying Mitt was going to govern like Reagan and become one of the best presidents in US History.

I just threw up a bit of my kidney.

Petunia or Dan?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 03:32 PM (SY2Kh)

Dude, why were you eating your own kidney in the first place?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2011 11:43 AM (DrWcr)

163 Frankly, we should all remove the consent of the governed from the FEDERAL government. As it is currently constituted, the government has shown it is not capable of providing for the general welfare and repeatedly trounces the rights of its citizens.

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at November 10, 2011 11:44 AM (ZIb9M)

164 I'm not sure how we fix that. We are in fact desperate and the GOP establishment just isn't oriented to address the problems the country has.

We didn't learn our lesson from the likes of Christine O'Donnell; I'm genuinely concerned that it's going to take a much more forceful kick in the balls by way of another Obama term before people wake up and decide to take the process a bit more seriously.

Know why the "establishment' isn't orientated to address the problems the country has?  Because the voters living in it aren't ready to entertain the solutions.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 11:45 AM (SY2Kh)

165

Yeah, I guess we are fucked.  We and/or the media have now eliminated:

Michele "Teh Crazy" Bachmann
Herman "Guilty by Accusation" Cain
Rick "If I Only Had a Brain" Perry

The only realistic choices now are Romney and Gingrich.  But still for me, it's anyone but teh SCOAMF.

Posted by: Marmo at November 10, 2011 11:45 AM (InrkQ)

166 > 117 Do you really believe that you, in your lifetime, will see a single federal agency shutdown? Posted by: soothsayer Yes. But it'll be either the easy way (shut down via President and Congress) or the hard way ("After America"). If something can't go on... it won't.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 11:45 AM (mGnwL)

167 If Mittens wins I won't be voting for him, and I can say that with a clean conscience too, since I live in New York where my Presidential vote isn't worth a horse's fuck.

On the upside, I will vote in every other race.

Posted by: Zooey Deschanel's Adorable Cuteness Supports Rick Perry's Ruger for President at November 10, 2011 03:37 PM (xMHpX)

Thats fine. I live in PA and wont vote for him. My conscience is clean whether I give a shit or not

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 10, 2011 11:45 AM (NMr0B)

168

It's always been my contention that state (this includes congressional reps and senators) and local politics is the key to winning back our country.  The states are slowly but surely discovering the power of the tenth amendment. 

The only thing I really worry about as far as Romney is concerned is who will he pick as SCOTUS candidates.  Because there'll definitely be some retirements during his term. 

For the primaries, I'll vote for Perry, Newt, or Cain over Romney.

Posted by: Soona at November 10, 2011 11:46 AM (z+sfs)

169 > 128 Funny thing about Washington D.C. Government expands, never contracts. Posted by: soothsayer That's what they said in Rome around 200AD. I want the govt. to get smaller... but not that way.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 11:47 AM (mGnwL)

170 This just in; Romney IS a Tool, in the prejorative sense. Also, Romney still sux.

Posted by: Live Free Or Die at November 10, 2011 11:49 AM (cg/xq)

171 > 160 the Schwarzenegger governorship was a total waste of time, since he was ineligible to run for President, and did nothing to enhance the Republican party in CA wrecked the state. Posted by: Reno_Dave FTFY

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 11:52 AM (mGnwL)

172 Thats fine. I live in PA and wont vote for him. My conscience is clean whether I give a shit or not I held my nose and voted for McCain in 2008, and while Sharon Angle wan't my first or second choice in the NV primary, I walked donated to her campaign and walked precincts in the losing effort to beat Reid. Nothing should matter but beating Obama and putting more Republicans in the House and Senate.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 10, 2011 11:53 AM (OL4L4)

173 Is this the thread where we talk about what a DUNCE perry is? No...where would I find that thread???

Posted by: NfromNC at November 10, 2011 11:53 AM (MbeEN)

174 Frankly, we should all remove the consent of the governed from the FEDERAL government. As it is currently constituted, the government has shown it is not capable of providing for the general welfare and repeatedly trounces the rights of its citizens.

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at November 10, 2011 03:44 PM (ZIb9M)

Beck was railing about this today.  Every member of Congress takes an oath to defend the country from enemies foreign and domestic.  Our own presidunce is shredding the Constitution, trashing our currency, making us vulnerable to terrorist attacks, weakening our military and cheering on the Occubagger rabble -- and congress just sits there.  Every one of them should GO, and go NOW.

 

 

Posted by: RushBabe at November 10, 2011 11:57 AM (tQHzJ)

175

Romney is a normal American politician, not a wannabe tyrant. He'll be responsive to our pressure if we press hard enough. He would also be responsive to RINO pressure. It's our job to press harder.

Right! Mitt Romney isn't Margaret Thatcher. He's a politician. He panders. Should he win, the trick will be to get him to pander to us.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 10, 2011 11:58 AM (m27MR)

176 Posted by: NfromNC at November 10, 2011 03:53 PM (MbeEN)

FYNQ.

We've been making fun of Perry all day.

For three reasons.
1) Last night was sad.
2) He's terrible at debates
3) ...  Wait...  I just had it...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 11:58 AM (8y9MW)

177 Because the voters living in it aren't ready to entertain the solutions.

Don't pass TARP. Or raise the debt ceiling. The solutions will see to themselves. At those times, those actions had widespread support, if for not quite the right reasons. If we're going to wait (and it looks like we are) for folks to say "yes, we have to take our medicine" when no one in either party seems to care about what's coming enough to warn people and try to have, much less win the argument, the crash is the only possible outcome.

Posted by: Methos at November 10, 2011 11:59 AM (sOXQX)

178 Hey, look what Fleming (LMAO) just blogged. So the ideal candidate for conservatives isnÂ’t some extreme right-winger. ItÂ’s a skilled politician we know we can bully. http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-cant-the-republicans- nominate-a-genuine-right-wing-nut/? singlepage=true (cut and paste to make the link work)

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 11:59 AM (mGnwL)

179

I hear you,  Romney is so weak and amoral he will bend in a conservative breeze.

Still ain't voting for the cretin.

Posted by: icepick at November 10, 2011 12:00 PM (o0Uno)

180 Yeah, I guess we are fucked. We and/or the media have now eliminated: Michele "Teh Crazy" Bachmann Herman "Guilty by Accusation" Cain Rick "If I Only Had a Brain" Perry Posted by: Marmo at November 10, 2011 03:45 PM (InrkQ) Blame 'us' or 'the media' all you want but the correct answer is 'they.' Tardasil. Incompetent. Â…

Posted by: yomomma at November 10, 2011 12:01 PM (DKLl9)

181 Right! Mitt Romney isn't Margaret Thatcher. He's a politician. He panders. Should he win, the trick will be to get him to pander to us. You're right, of course. Do we want four more years of Obama, from whom we will get nothing (and the continuing damnation of possibly another two liberal Supreme Court justices,) or do we want a President with whom we should be able to get at least some wins?

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 10, 2011 12:01 PM (OL4L4)

182 If Barry wants to punt everything until after the elections that should be fine with the Republicans. Let's face it anything he wants is BAD.
And the Republicans in Congress can say, "well the president won't give us a bill to look at and we can't do anything until he gives us something to work with".


Posted by: Iblis at November 10, 2011 12:02 PM (9221z)

183 Right! Mitt Romney isn't Margaret Thatcher. He's a politician. He panders. Should he win, the trick will be to get him to pander to us.

If he's not pandering to us during the *primary*, why would he pander to us once in office?  The asshole (there's that word again) won't even say Romneycare was a mistake.  He doesn't even understand why govt. mandates of this nature are morally wrong. 

Not a chance he is anything better than a clone of Lindsey Graham or McCain if he gets in there.  There's a fair chance he'll be worse.

Posted by: grognard at November 10, 2011 12:04 PM (NS2Mo)

184 Romney is Wendell Wilkie-- an establishment tool with a technocrat's view that he can solve problems. And he will get steamrolled just as Roosevelt steamrolled Wilkie: by demagoguery. If Romney is the nominee Plan B is to concentrate totally on Congressional (especially House) elections and governorships. We need an amendment to control the commerce clause, before it eats us alive, and one to sharply limit Federal spending and tax powers.

Posted by: MTF at November 10, 2011 12:05 PM (XjsQv)

185 Bernanke is just such a technocrat.  I can print all the paper under the sun but I will know just when to pull the plug on the presses before inflation rears its head.  How is that working?

Posted by: ejo at November 10, 2011 12:05 PM (+T0tJ)

186 Please sell me on Newt. I want to believe. Thank you.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 10, 2011 12:05 PM (tsC/8)

187
So true. I am fully prepared to campaign for Romney after the primaries. None of this sour grapes Ron Paul or death bullshit. Obama is the enemy and Romney is not bad enough to make me forget it.

So, this whole "conservatism will die" shit from Erkison is just that...shit. If Erikson is right, then conservatives in California should just blow their brain out now and get it over with. No, Erikson is wrong and conservatism won't die.

So, I will support Romney if needs be. I will support anyone on the debate stage last night.


Bingo.  This is the exact attitude we must take. 

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, I'd rather get some of the things we want, then none of the things we want.   With Obama, you can be damn sure of the latter.

Posted by: Mike at November 10, 2011 12:07 PM (NH9Y5)

188

Right! Mitt Romney isn't Margaret Thatcher. He's a politician. He panders. Should he win, the trick will be to get him to pander to us.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 10, 2011 03:58 PM (m27MR)

Yep and look how good that works now. The speech he gave, to disown Romneycare? Wow, hell of a speech. Oh... wait a second...

What makes you guys think that he will pander to us after an election, when he does not even bother to do it during an election?

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 10, 2011 12:07 PM (P/F96)

189 "You have to create the conditions, as the Tea Party and the town hall meetings did, whereby the wrong people are forced to do the right things."

Make the Democrats the minority party in both houses of Congress come 2012, and make as many of the incoming people Tea Party backers.

If that ain't condition enough,...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 10, 2011 12:11 PM (1rHeD)

190 What makes you guys think that he will pander to us after an election, when he does not even bother to do it during an election? Romney claims he signed Romneycare because he was the governor of a strongly Democratic state. What if we're able to elect a more strongly Republican House and get 54 Senators. They can drive the agenda, and with luck, he'll come on board to champion the various bills.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 10, 2011 12:12 PM (OL4L4)

191 Know why the "establishment' isn't orientated to address the problems the country has?  Because the voters living in it aren't ready to entertain the solutions.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 10, 2011 03:45 PM (SY2Kh)

My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 10, 2011 12:14 PM (TLc8G)

192 "So, I will support Romney if needs be. I will support anyone on the debate stage last night.


Bingo.  This is the exact attitude we must take. "


You take it.

I am sick to death of holding my nose in the voting booth. I would rather keep my dignity and principles. Romney will never get my vote under any circumstances. I'm never voting for a RINO again.

Ever.

/Obama with an uncooperative congress would be no different than Romney with a cooperative one.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 10, 2011 12:15 PM (EIAxq)

193
That'll go over great once 99% of Americans are aware of these writings. We'll win everything!!

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 10, 2011 03:28 PM (QcFbt)

i don't understand why he is able to run on a republican ticket. srsly he's shameful

Posted by: willow at November 10, 2011 12:15 PM (h+qn8)

194

And since we're getting all optimisty here, I'd say the chances of Obama being reelected is well below 50% at this point, regardless of who the R nominee is, and regardless of what any of the polls say now. 

Economy in ruins never bodes well for the incumbent Prez, and when it is this bad, it always trumps everything else.

Posted by: Burt TC at November 10, 2011 12:16 PM (TOk1P)

195 "What if we're able to elect a more strongly Republican House and get 54 Senators. They can drive the agenda, and with luck, he'll come on board to champion the various bills."

As happened during the Bush years? When we had house, senate and the White House? Seriously?

Optimism is one thing, but severely short term memory is something else entirely.

...and if we don't get a "strongly republican house", but wind up with Romney, then we're seriously screwed.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 10, 2011 12:20 PM (EIAxq)

196 Romney claims he signed Romneycare because he was the governor of a strongly Democratic state.

So he signed it, then didn't run for re-election.  Fat lot of good signing it did him.  And it has turned out to be a disaster.

So he admits he signed it for purely political reasons (forced to by the voting base) but never got any political mileage out of doing so AND refuses to admit it was a bad law.

Why didn't he just *gasp* do the right thing and veto it?

Because he's a SCOAMF Jr., that's why.

Posted by: grognard at November 10, 2011 12:25 PM (NS2Mo)

197 It's great policy to run almost all the other candidates into the ground and then try to convince people that Romney is a good plan B.  Good luck with that.

Posted by: cranky-d at November 10, 2011 12:27 PM (H2G0R)

198 "As happened during the Bush years? When we had house, senate and the White House?" By the start of the Bush years, the members of the "Class of '94" were beginning to come down with "Washington Disease" and were more about keeping their positions than anything else. If we're able to put another seven Republicans in the Senate, especially with TEA Party help, and increase the number of TEA Party-oriented members of the House, we'll be looking at the equivalent of 1994 - 1998, when the Republicans were able to force Clinton into reforming Welfare and balancing the budget. With 54 in the Senate, squishes like Brown (assuming he beats Warren,) Collins and Snowe will be somewhat marginalized, and with Reid no longer majority leader, we might be able to get some blue dogs to vote with the Republican majority.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 10, 2011 12:30 PM (OL4L4)

199 'Haven't read all of the posts, but has anyone linked to this American Spectator column on Romney and medicare yet?  (It actually links to a longer piece in the Washington Examiner.) 

Posted by: Y-not at November 10, 2011 12:31 PM (5H6zj)

200 Came to this site about a week ago and I'd like to give Ace kudos - good site and I loved the last 2 cat vids.  Ok nuff brown nose on to the point.

I was (in 0 and still am a Romney supporter but I know that "a few" here are not full blown fanboys.  Ace makes a great point for those who have a hard time with Romney and I'll make one other.  During the last campaign there was vid on the net, it was put out by a Romney supporter but not the Romney camp.  It did not spread around like the vid if the kid telling everyone to leave Brittany Spears alone, but I wish it had.  The vid was of Romney helping remove tree stumps shortly after a fire - it was a church activity to help members affected by it.  This was during the campaign but was not a campaign stunt (I can't even find the video now).

At a campaign event in Texas as Romney was preparing for a photo shoot, one of the organizers suggested Romney wait in the shade of his garage.  After 1/2 an hour when they were ready, Romney had cleaned and organized his garage. 

The point, the guy does have a great deal of good character and the real Romney is not the politician.  Most politicians try to put up a false front as a good person, Romney is a good person who puts up his false front as a politician.  Yes he comes accross as fake because the politician Romney is not the real Romney - in this rare case he is much better as  person.

Posted by: Evan at November 10, 2011 12:31 PM (O3OlP)

201 > 210 "What if we're able to elect a more strongly Republican House and get 54 Senators. They can drive the agenda, and with luck, he'll come on board to champion the various bills." As happened during the Bush years? When we had house, senate and the White House? Seriously? Posted by: Sgt. York No Tea Party moviement in the Bush years.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 10, 2011 12:36 PM (mGnwL)

202 124
We can't even de-fund Planned Parenthood Cowboy Poetry.

 

FIFY


Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at November 10, 2011 12:36 PM (UU0OF)

203

I said the other day that Romney will be the candidate, the RNC old boys money men will have it no other way. The thing to do now is to find the ways he can be influenced in the RIGHT direction.

I can think of many ways, the best being a Tea Party Czar.

And Newt in the cabinet.

 

Posted by: Mister Money at November 10, 2011 12:40 PM (wN82N)

204 horseshit and you know it. He has clearly stated numerous times that we need to stop SENSELESS wars. If Iran demonstrated a clear intent on attacking, he would defend the U.S.A. Posted by: UGrev

Here's the problem, cupcake. RuPaul believes, willfully or otherwise, there are no bad actors in the world except the US. We can do no good, no one wishes us harm.

If Iran gets a bomb people in the West will die. Guaran-fucking-teed. In RuPaul's world, this isn't a problem, probably just desserts for being the most dynamic, successful, and free civilization to grace the Earth.

Anyone who doesn't believe that should just vote for Obama because he's done such a fucking slam bam job for this country thus far. Take a chance on someone who has been steadfast in his positions for decades, where the half life of the current candidates (sans paul) is mere days.

No. Anyone who is awake and has a sliver of awareness in regards to history and the fragility of peace would not vote for either. We don't like him because he's going to get us killed.

Take your shitty equivalency and shove up your gold plated rectum.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2011 12:43 PM (04aCI)

205 Sharon Angle wan't my first or second choice in the NV primary, I walked donated to her campaign and walked precincts in the losing effort to beat Reid.

Nothing should matter but beating Obama and putting more Republicans in the House and Senate.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 10, 2011 03:53 PM (OL4L4)

Sharon Angle was a nice lady I would've been fine voting for. She was not a great campaigner but hey, it happens. That is a really bad example. I hate Mitt Romney as much as Obama. I'm not voting for him. He is a scumbag. HE doesnt even pander to conservatives in the primary, he wont pander to us in office. He's an arrogant piece of shit and that is all I will ever see him as. I'm not a fucking robot that says ABO and chooses to place a Republican who is just as liberal and would damage conservative prospects for years.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 10, 2011 12:44 PM (NMr0B)

206

If Romney is the guy, Obamacare is here to stay.  That's your "plan B?"

yeesh

Posted by: glowing blue meat at November 10, 2011 12:48 PM (K/USr)

207

The perfect Romney antidote:

Palin 2012

Posted by: Pragmatist at November 10, 2011 12:50 PM (z8Cts)

208 Because of the implementation timeline for Obamacare, the next President needs to be a leader in dismantling it. I do not see Romney accomplishing that task if elected.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 10, 2011 12:53 PM (qwK3S)

209 Hey he took a 3 billion deficit and turned into a billion plus surplus.  Romney's health plan tried to get rid of the unfunded mandate that no seems to talk about - allowing freeloaders free health care through the ER.  His solution - which borrowed ideas from Heritage, had support from both sides of the Mass. legislature (it could not pass without the Dems).  It worked but it opened the door for lefties to tinker with it and it has morphed from its original version. 

He did a great job in fixing the olympics and turning around various companies - including his former company of Bain Capital.  His record is better than his rhetoric unlike many politicians who have it the other way around.

Sorry, I just do not see the "moderate" apocalypse in Romney that others here see.  His not a scary guy.

Posted by: Evan at November 10, 2011 12:53 PM (O3OlP)

210 Anyone but anyone but Romney!

Posted by: Pragmatist at November 10, 2011 12:56 PM (z8Cts)

211 Why the right hates Romney. Interesting perspective. Dammit if I'm not getting closer to being a Romney guy. http://tinyurl.com/7o75z8r

Posted by: yomomma at November 10, 2011 12:59 PM (DKLl9)

212 No way is Romney NOT going to work to get rid of Obamacare.  He has promised over and over that he with both give out waivers to states (step one) and then work to full repeal it.  Too much political fallout if he doesn't fallow through and I think he is honest in his desire to get away from big government. He is all for free market solutions to healthcare. 




Posted by: Evan at November 10, 2011 01:00 PM (O3OlP)

213 Ah yes, the latest at AoSHQ on The Marketing of Mitt: How To Take The Absolute Peak of Conservative Political Power In American History And Flush It, And Flush It, And Flush It, While The Bathroom Floor Becomes Awash In Dilute Feces, and Love It. Plus, there's always this: nominate Romney, independents hate his gutless guts and reject him, and there we are, having sold our souls for the most soulless sell-out of a so-called conservative the nation has ever produced. Because then we'll have 4 years of looking forward to Big Serious Debates at the Corner on how we all dropped the ball on ... Huntsman. Spare me. Spare us all.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 10, 2011 01:01 PM (vahvH)

214

At a campaign event in Texas as Romney was preparing for a photo shoot, one of the organizers suggested Romney wait in the shade of his garage. After 1/2 an hour when they were ready, Romney had cleaned and organized his garage. 

For me this has the opposite effect. Anyone see the problem here? The property owner did not ask Romney to clean his garage. Romney presumed to know the "best" way to organize it.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 10, 2011 01:01 PM (qwK3S)

215 Eff you, that's why. At least that's the logic I've been reading here recently. Of course, as far as Cain goes, logic has no place here. It's all about sticking it to the man.

Posted by: yomomma at November 10, 2011 01:01 PM (DKLl9)

216 "For me this has the opposite effect. Anyone see the problem here? The property owner did not ask Romney to clean his garage. Romney presumed to know the "best" way to organize it."

That is an interesting - glass is half empty - prospective.

Posted by: Evan at November 10, 2011 01:10 PM (O3OlP)

217 Fuck it: if we go down, then at least go down with dignity. I have been a Perry pusher from day one, but after last night, that way is death in the general: thousands upon thousands of loops playing his highlights of serial mind farts, over and over, all through into the debates, where he DOES IT AGAIN, REPEATEDLY, right in front of Obama and everyone. Cain is out of the question. Forget the allegations about those women, that's all he said they each said and that way never gets resolved; he's simply incompetent and women will vote against him in unprecedented numbers. So, it's coming down to the guy I never imagined would make a serious come back, the guy who keeps winning every. single. one. of. these. debates, nine and zip right now, no doubt twenty and zip by the time the whole messy business is over. Someone who can form a sentence, a paragraph, entire books, entire budgets and agendas and programs. Some whose past is now rendered not-at-all bad compared to these other clowns. Someone we KNOW who will get up on stage with Obama and take him on, and we can be PROUD, because he's said the right things and said them well. Nobody gave Nixon any serious hope of a comeback after the debacle in California in the early 1960s, but Nixon then won the White House twice in a row and made the big pitch towards the Southern strategy, the thing that actually saved this party from electoral irrelevance. So he went nuts - he was ALWAYS nuts, but he put a cap on the Civil Rights Act, he started up the conversation on energy reality and he had the guts to take on Mao head to head, and his legacy included Cheney and Rumsfeld and the unjustly underrated Ford, a whole slew of top of the line conservative judges, and the guy who started Fox News, just to list a tiny percentage of all he brought about and left in place. If we get Romney, AT BEST we get Obama in sheep's clothing. AT BEST. And we sell out three or more generations of work that went on between 1968 and 2012, 44 years down the toilet. Flush, flush, flush.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 10, 2011 01:16 PM (vahvH)

218 #226-- I looked up the article you linked. It was written by Michael Medved, who always tells his listeners, "Of COURSE, the President isn't a socialist." He also notes that in the 2008 primaries, he didnt' vote for Romney. "I proudly voted for John McCain." Maybe you should find a better source.

Posted by: Burke at November 10, 2011 01:19 PM (wmdMN)

219 #226-- I looked up the article you linked. It was written by Michael Medved, who always tells his listeners, "Of COURSE, the President isn't a socialist." No, he argues that it's not effective to argue that the President's a socialist. It's a small difference, but it's important.

Posted by: yomomma at November 10, 2011 01:27 PM (DKLl9)

220

To:  yomamma

YOU CAN HAVE HIM!

Posted by: Pragmatist at November 10, 2011 01:30 PM (lTnzg)

221 If we get Romney, AT BEST we get Obama in sheep's clothing. AT BEST. Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 10, 2011 05:16 PM (vahvH) At best? Really? Seriously, you people who say Romney=Obama don't see how retarded you are. I can see saying that Romney isn't as conservative as we'd like. I agree with that 100%. But when anyone standing to the left of Palin (or hell, not named Palin) is equal to SCoaMF, you lose credibility with everyone using their brain to figure this out.

Posted by: yomomma at November 10, 2011 01:32 PM (DKLl9)

222 Embrace the suck.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 10, 2011 01:33 PM (GTbGH)

223 I've said many times, I didn't come in to this as a Romney supporter. Far from it. He's not even my top pick at the moment. But when I read the arguments of the anti-crowd I don't see any actual thought process & it makes me think about it. Add to that the retarded continued support for Cain in spite of everything that he's said (I don't give a flying fuck about the harassment stuff) & I really can't trust the arguments coming from the purity police.

Posted by: yomomma at November 10, 2011 01:36 PM (DKLl9)

224 I'd rather the nation perish than to have the Mormon RINO in office. 

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at November 10, 2011 01:54 PM (f8XyF)

225

Cain, Perry, or Newt (in that order)

Sarah Palin . . .please save us!

Posted by: Pragmatist at November 10, 2011 01:55 PM (lTnzg)

226 I'd rather the nation perish than to have the Mormon RINO in office.

Why not both? You'll get perish and your Mormon RINO.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at November 10, 2011 01:56 PM (HtUdo)

227 " But it makes sense to have a Plan B"


--- Does that we we can abort Mittens?


Posted by: Pro-choicer at November 10, 2011 02:05 PM (M3Dww)

228 Romney is 1 year more of Obama. He's the type of republican you mention in the BBA post. 'Don't just stand there, do something. Romney will cave to the dems, same as Obama at a slower pace.

Posted by: grayswindir at November 10, 2011 02:17 PM (xGZ+b)

229 Evangelicals aint gonna vote for a mormon. No way in hell is romney going to beat obama.

Posted by: Floral Bumhole at November 10, 2011 02:34 PM (9JHuT)

230 "Romney fan?"  Honestly, I have yet to meet a single one. 

Certainly, Mitt would suck the enthusiasm out of the conservative base.  That would delight the libtards, who likely constitute the bulk of Mitt's poll support as posers.  Same strategy as last time, when they delivered McCain. 

FWIW -- I'm stuck living in Dixie, and the Baptists down here would never vote for a Mormon.  That doesn't necessarily make any sense, but it's true nonetheless.

Posted by: Molon Labe at November 10, 2011 03:37 PM (k1ORE)

231 Evangelicals aint gonna vote for a mormon. No way in hell is romney going to beat obama. Posted by: Floral Bumhole at November 10, 2011 06:34 PM (9JHuT) 1. I hold a much higher view of evangelicals than to say they're all bigots. Much higher. 2. You think SCoaMF is going to win states where evangelicals hold the most sway if it were between teh one & Romney? So, Obama is going to win Mississippi & Texas. Right.

Posted by: yomomma at November 10, 2011 03:40 PM (DKLl9)

232 "Evangelicals aint gonna vote for a mormon."

Actual I know some that will.  Some people understand Article 6 some don't.  No big deal if you do not support Romney because of politics - dirt stupid if you do it because he is one of "those".

I'm sure evangelicals appreciate Obama's good Christian faith.

Posted by: Evan at November 10, 2011 03:51 PM (O3OlP)

233

I would vote for a plastic garden gnome over Obama. This is a broken glass election for me. The other factor to keep in mind is that you can vote for more conservative candidates in the House, Senate, Gubernatorial, and State Legislative elections, where there are, in many cases, no term limits. They can also hold Romney's feet to the fire.

With regards to the person who wouldn't vote for a Mormon, that is narrow thinking. I have a bigger problem with Romney as  RINO.

I apologize if this was touched on before.

Posted by: RPL at November 10, 2011 04:00 PM (SMCgE)

234 I wonder how many of the people here saying that they will never vote for Romney in the GENERAL election said they same thing about McCain and then held their noses and voted for him anyway. They seem to be the same people who absolutely KNEW how awful Obama would be as a president- you can't have me believe that you stayed home in 2008.

Posted by: Moonbeam at November 10, 2011 04:43 PM (1k4dd)

235

249.  I swore I wouldn't vote for Mav and then he picked Palin.

There is no such arrow in the quiver this time, so forget about it.

Take your charges of bigotry and confidence in conservative's sense of fair play and cram it up your azz.  

In 2006 Rasmussen had 42% of the electorate would not support their party's nominee if they were Mormon.

There will be no enthusiam gap with Romney as the nominee and 20% of the Right are voting third party if at all.

All you have to hope for is a Senate rollover despite no coat tails.

Posted by: icepick at November 10, 2011 06:22 PM (o0Uno)

236 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a mierable failure.

Posted by: steevy at November 10, 2011 06:26 PM (7WJOC)

237

232.  I agree, Newt is the only choice going forward.  The GOP is absolutely toast with Romney and  incumbents re-elected in the Senate.

Burn it down.

Posted by: icepick at November 10, 2011 06:29 PM (o0Uno)

238

Romney is the GOP's Kerry. So stiff as to be ridiculous. He is unelectable, that's why the MSM is telling that he is the only one who is, giving us McCain - the Sequel.

Stupid is as stupid does.

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