August 10, 2011
— Ace Verum Serum has must-watch videos from England.
The first video shows a line of about eight cops retreating from rioters, who throw rocks and lengths of wood at them.
The second video contains the line: "London is going down."
The third has a young woman, who doesn't seem likely to be paying taxes, claiming she's just "getting our taxes back" by looting.
The fourth is an elderly black woman yelling at the rioters to stop what they're doing.
Across much of London on Monday night, if someone had decided to break down your door and rape your daughter, there would have been nothing to stop them. There would have been no one to call. When I was mugged, I was on my way home from a day in Tottenham, listening to the stories of the people who had lost far more and been at far greater risk than me, burned out of their homes at 30 seconds’ notice. They called 999 too, frantically, desperately, as the riot moved closer. There were 100 police just up the road. The emergency operator could do nothing but listen to their terror. I finished my journey in a cab. Three or four times, we had to stop and skirt round hooded boys spilling into the road, our windows closed and the door lock on. If they had fancied my taxi, there would have been nothing I or the driver could have done about that, either. Even on Monday, the victims of Tottenham, black and white, were already tired of outsiders blaming racism, police brutality, or cuts. (What were they rioting about in prosperous, suburban Enfield – rising season-ticket prices?) The real reason for the rioters’ behaviour is much simpler: because they can. Forget BlackBerry Messenger. After seeing — on television — how much leeway the looters of Tottenham were allowed, every criminal and every excitement-seeking child in London took note. By the next day, critical mass had been achieved. Disorder had erupted on a scale much more difficult to suppress than the original outbreak.
OF course. They police were told essentially to let them riot, and so they rioted still further.
At the NRO link, those forming vigilance committees to protect their own damn homes and businesses are being told to stay home and not make trouble.
What?
And yet those protecting their businesses do in fact fear the government will arrest them.
"I was here with my brother and my boss waiting for them until about midnight," said 16-year-old Huseyin Beytar. "If some guy ever breaks a window in this street, all the Turkish Kurdish people come down to protect the shops. We're like a family.""We have to do things for ourselves," said Huseyin. "We have to look after each other. If they come here tonight there will be a fight, a big fight."
"We were outside ready and expecting them," said the manager of Turkish Food Market, who asked not to be named.
"But I felt very panicky because we are not safe from either the rioters or police.
"We put all of our efforts into this shop. It took 20 years to get it like this. But we do not know about our rights.
"I'm scared that the police and the government will attack us if we defend our businesses.
"We are being squeezed between the two."
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It seems to be going about as well for them as it did for New York and Yankel Rosenbaum back in the 90s.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 08:52 AM (VZ10+)
Posted by: El Kabong at August 10, 2011 08:53 AM (sBkx9)
"We are being squeezed between the two."
Utter Insanity!
Posted by: KellyFromMesquite at August 10, 2011 08:53 AM (FLFli)
Posted by: Looter at August 10, 2011 08:55 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: PR at August 10, 2011 08:55 AM (Iyq1N)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 10, 2011 08:55 AM (i6Neb)
Posted by: EC at August 10, 2011 08:55 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: boniface ballers at August 10, 2011 08:56 AM (bPbwB)
This is the root of the problem. Rioters have gotten away with it for decades and they know there are no controls.
Civilization depends on people obeying the law. if the majority of the public decide that there is no law, or no consequences for breaking the law, civilization will collapse.
And that folks is where we are at in almost all of the urban areas, including here.
Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2011 08:56 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 08:56 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 08:56 AM (l/N7H)
A group of 3 Muslim men defending their mosque from the looters were intentionally hit by a car. All three died.
Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 08:57 AM (Ws7wI)
They may mean they're cracking down on people who are actually defending themselves instead of being beaten to a bloody pulp.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 08:57 AM (VZ10+)
we shall fight on the streets and alleys,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the loot, we shall defend our Welfare checks, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight over the plasma TVs,
we shall fight over who loots backpacks,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the malls;
we shall never surrender our loot, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet Street press, would carry on the looting, until, in Chav’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth with more stuff to loot.”
Posted by: Winston Chavhill at August 10, 2011 08:58 AM (2PTT7)
When government takes away your firearms, the unspoken promise is that they will protect you in times of trouble.
You don't need the gun because you are protected by the state.
It is now plain for all to see that this isn't true. The state cannot protect you, and at times doesn't want to protect you because it fears the rioters more than it fears the law abiding citizen. It makes sense that the state is more fearful of someone who will burn down a building than someone who will voluntarily turn in their only means of defense, a gun, when the state requests it.
This situation should help some of our Republican compatriots who are leary of those of us who consider the ownership of firearms as such a big deal.
Posted by: Ben at August 10, 2011 08:58 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 10, 2011 08:58 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: E.M. August at August 10, 2011 08:59 AM (zeBNm)
(I'm sure this is in ace's links but it is interesting that Business Insider chose this particular quote to disseminate to their readers)
Posted by: curious at August 10, 2011 08:59 AM (k1rwm)
Posted by: brak at August 10, 2011 09:00 AM (nIoiW)
I know that's the way it is over here. (I may be wrong about the other taxes and governmental fees since I'm no from there)
Even the poor pay sales taxes and property taxes if they have cars or homes that qualify. Some places even have personal property taxes on other items of personal property.
Everyone pays other governmental fees unless they have a specific program to defer these. (such as court fees)
So yes just like here; even though it is touted about that 50% of people don't pay taxes here they do pay other taxes and fees.
Just for the record.
And of course that gives them NO right to riot or destroy other peoples property.
Posted by: Sock Puppet Du Jour at August 10, 2011 09:00 AM (KelWf)
A group of 3 Muslim men defending their mosque from the looters were intentionally hit by a car. All three died.
Uh oh...
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:00 AM (l/N7H)
Ask not for which country the bell tolls. It tolls for us.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 10, 2011 09:00 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: boniface ballers at August 10, 2011 09:00 AM (bPbwB)
Posted by: huerfano at August 10, 2011 09:00 AM (iezIp)
Posted by: Henry, Drinking His Fifth of Stolen Johnny Walker at August 10, 2011 09:00 AM (2PTT7)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2011 09:00 AM (oUG6f)
Oh, great. That's just what these particular fires needed: more gasoline.
So now- in all likelihood- we'll get (rather more justified, IMO) Muslim riots ("Where were the police!?!") on top of the current riots. Both sides will lose, but the innocents caught in the middle will lose more.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 10, 2011 09:00 AM (8y9MW)
This x 100.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2011 09:01 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2011 09:01 AM (s3Qvq)
Posted by: ace at August 10, 2011 09:02 AM (nj1bB)
Any chance of deploying the Gurkhas to London?
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 09:02 AM (VZ10+)
I saw a link at Insty the other day from a Somali message board.
It was someone living in Somalia who called a relative living in England asking them if they were okay.
Let that sink in. Someone living in somalia called a reltive in England to see if they were okay given all the violence.
I also say a great line somewhere, "We can no longer pretend that English society has any real future".
Posted by: Ben at August 10, 2011 09:02 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 10, 2011 09:03 AM (bxiXv)
FBI wanted sheet says the Dougherty gang has now been captured.
Posted by: Hoping to change what's going on around here at August 10, 2011 09:03 AM (8/DeP)
The decades are clicking by. Wifey says i still act like a teen though.
Posted by: sTevo at August 10, 2011 09:03 AM (e0fM0)
It's a sad mess there, and getting that way here in the US.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2011 09:03 AM (ENKCw)
These riots are Obama's and the Democrats' fault.
Obama did this. Obama has stirred the rabble by vilifying "the rich."
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 10, 2011 09:04 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: nevergiveup at August 10, 2011 09:04 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: EC at August 10, 2011 09:04 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: F--- Nevada! (I'm AoSHQ's DarkLord©, and I approve this message) at August 10, 2011 09:06 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: E.M. August at August 10, 2011 12:59 PM (zeBNm)
Yobs vs. Bubbas....can't imagine who'd win that fight. /s
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 09:06 AM (UOM48)
Pretty much the same as now except the fires will have burnt out and there will be a lot of Pelosi looking creatures with blank stares wandering around looking for brains to eat.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 10, 2011 09:06 AM (Hx5uv)
"My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks."
-- President Class Warfare
April 2009
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 10, 2011 09:06 AM (sqkOB)
Somewhat related to that - Most of the first big hip-hop "musicians" got their start with equipment they stole during the '77 blackout.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 09:06 AM (VZ10+)
England is extraordinarily dystopian on this point -- they prosecute people for defending their homes, and yet they will not fucking bust rioters' heads and quell the violence.
Indeed, various people here have been linking to stories out of England in the side bar on this very subject. I remember reading one where a man was sued by a criminal who cut his hand on barbed wire while robbing the owners shed.
It really is dystopian there, or should I say utopian? This is the states utopia and the peoples dystopia.
Posted by: Ben at August 10, 2011 09:06 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 10, 2011 09:06 AM (i6Neb)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 10, 2011 09:07 AM (bxiXv)
Eventually, sensible people will develop a code of silence on such things.
Sorry, Mr. Police, I have no idea what happened to those rioters strewn about the streets. But I heard they turned on each other after dark. Can't say for certain, though.
Posted by: Methos at August 10, 2011 09:07 AM (sOXQX)
The real reason for the rioters’ behaviour is much simpler: because they can. Forget BlackBerry Messenger. After seeing — on television — how much leeway the looters of Tottenham were allowed, every criminal and every excitement-seeking child in London took note.
"Excitement-seeking child." That's the key. There is some similarity to the riots in Milwaukee, my hometown, recently. Here we had "excitement-seeking" children who happened to be black, finding transgressive pleasure in hitting white people. Sure, there was a racism angle, and, sure, there is a breakdown-of-the-black-community-and-black-family angle. But at the end of the day those were just pretexts to seek the excitement of rioting.
It's not an accident, in other words, that rioters are almost always young men, and that the first thing they attack is almost always a liquor store.
There's also a difference in America. Americans have guns. So while the attacks outside of State Fair were horrible, they also didn't go too far; it was as if the kids , after crossing one line, pulled back from the next line. People got beat up, not killed. And no one in Milwaukee is going to start torching businesses or homes, I guarantee it. There are too many business owners and homeowners who have weapons. In London, they've disarmed the population, and empowered the criminals. No wonder their riots go farther than ours.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at August 10, 2011 09:07 AM (qHCyt)
Posted by: The Hobbits at August 10, 2011 09:07 AM (jeLTI)
Posted by: phreshone at August 10, 2011 09:07 AM (T3vCe)
Posted by: El Kabong at August 10, 2011 09:07 AM (sBkx9)
FESTIVAL! FESTIVAL!
Posted by: Landru at August 10, 2011 01:01 PM (kAMbA)
No, no, no... it's
FESTIVAL! FESTIVAL!
(Now, once again, from the diaphram ...)
Posted by: Warthog at August 10, 2011 09:07 AM (WDySP)
Several cops were convicted just a couple of days ago for shooting a suspected looter in NO during the Katrina aftermath.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 10, 2011 09:07 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Miranda P. Southerland at August 10, 2011 09:07 AM (k1rwm)
Posted by: MSDNC at August 10, 2011 09:08 AM (txwL+)
And the defense would not be a well-crafted, logical argument, unless you consider "back off or I ventilate you" a well crafted argument. Then again, I guess it is pretty well-crafted.
Posted by: RightWingProf, managing partner, Bacon & Cleavage LLC at August 10, 2011 09:08 AM (avT4H)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 10, 2011 09:08 AM (SB0V2)
Blanco said it because she knew that Sheriff Harry Lee and other LE officials in the state weren't playing around.
I wish old Harry were still alive. His fucking SWAT team used to do target practice by riding in the bed of a pickup truck and taking potshots at any nutria they saw.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 09:08 AM (VZ10+)
When it happens here, it won't be Detroit, Baltimore, or Atlanta. It will be San Francisco or Seattle, or someplace with a similar political attitude (tree hugging commies). Seattle already showed the willingness to have the police stand back while a white guy was beaten to death by a black gang during Mardis Gras riots, all because they were worried about their image in the black community. It was several years ago now, but I don't imagine things have gotten any better.
Posted by: yinzer at August 10, 2011 09:08 AM (/Mla1)
They be our pregenitors but they don't have that.
That's why their civil rights are so limited and it was very easy for the libs to take away their weapons. (ditto Canada, ditto Australia, ditto New Zealand)
They also don't have free speech rights, freedom of the press etc.
Yes, generally they BEHAVE as if they have those rights but it's just the current SOP. There is nothing preventing the government from changing that.
Posted by: Sock Puppet Du Jour at August 10, 2011 09:08 AM (KelWf)
I responded "because it is fun."
This caused a bit of a stir...with one guy assuming I was being sarcastic, and the other that I also meant that rioting was good or justified.
That wasn't what I meant. I basically meant that "sin" or "wrong doing" or however you tend to define malfeasance is enjoyable.
We do bad things because we can and because we enjoy them.
I stand by my earlier statement that people riot because it is fun.
The rioters in London are enjoying themselves immensely, having the time of their lives.
Posted by: ed at August 10, 2011 09:08 AM (Y2WVW)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 10, 2011 09:09 AM (FnRYN)
Posted by: Hoping to change what's going on around here at August 10, 2011 09:09 AM (8/DeP)
"WeÂ’re not, weÂ’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success thatÂ’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point youÂ’ve made enough money."
--President Marx
April 2010
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 10, 2011 09:09 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2011 09:09 AM (s3Qvq)
Simple math really.
Posted by: DrewM. at August 10, 2011 09:09 AM (dw7rB)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 10, 2011 09:10 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: ed at August 10, 2011 01:08 PM (Y2WVW)
I don't doubt this at all. This is all for the fun of it - there's tons of stories of looters taking pictures of police on their cell phones. This is just an experience for them because they know there won't be any consequences.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2011 09:10 AM (FkKjr)
Is it just me or does anyone else see this as England's "Rodney King" moment too? The main difference is that they didn't have a liberal media broadcasting video of the original death every 30 seconds to instigate the riots.
It is racism, but it's black v. everyone racism and they're getting away with it with full media complicity.
Posted by: MrObvious at August 10, 2011 09:10 AM (H87Hu)
"I'm scared that the police and the government will attack us if we defend our businesses.
"We are being squeezed between the two."
If someone were invading my home or business, I would shoot them...and then shoot anyone who came after me for defending me, my family, or business
Posted by: beedubya at August 10, 2011 09:11 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Crunch McLargehuge at August 10, 2011 09:11 AM (e8T35)
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 10, 2011 09:12 AM (Hx5uv)
England is extraordinarily dystopian on this point -- they prosecute people for defending their homes, and yet they will not fucking bust rioters' heads and quell the violence.
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Eventually, sensible people will develop a code of silence on such things.
Sorry, Mr. Police, I have no idea what happened to those rioters strewn about the streets. But I heard they turned on each other after dark. Can't say for certain, though.
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It ain't gonna happen. London is blanketed with CCTV units. Literally millions of them. Nobody (but the government) does anything that is unseen. You are right about a growing "code of silence". That's what gives UK Muslims the edge.
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at August 10, 2011 09:13 AM (jeLTI)
Behold: This is the mindset of the entitled left. Coming soon to America.
First, they will have to disarm us. It could make for quite the interesting photo op.
Posted by: Clueless at August 10, 2011 09:13 AM (LyOUH)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 10, 2011 01:09 PM (FnRYN)
Yep.
And Fox reporter in London said that among the looters, was an "organic" chef, a school teacher, and some laughing little girls looting a liquor store, who said their parents knew what they were doing and thought it was funny.
Damn.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 09:13 AM (UOM48)
Is it just me or does anyone else see this as England's "Rodney King" moment too? The main difference is that they didn't have a liberal media broadcasting video of the original death every 30 seconds to instigate the riots.
It is racism, but it's black v. everyone racism and they're getting away with it with full media complicity.
I'm thinking it is more along the line of Crown Heights, mainly in the handling, or lack thereof, of the situation by the authorities.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 09:13 AM (VZ10+)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 10, 2011 09:13 AM (i6Neb)
I would expect an LA first. I also expect it to turn into a race riot between competing clans - Mexicans versus Obama's people. My money is on the Mexicans.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 10, 2011 09:13 AM (0M3AQ)
What's the end game on that?
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 10, 2011 09:13 AM (Hx5uv)
Were Escape from New York and Escape from LA actually visions of the future instead of a great and a terrible action movie, respectively?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 09:14 AM (9hSKh)
Compare 4-15, 8-28, 9-12. More than a million terrorist Tea Partiers in DC and places all over the country, and the next day, it was so clean I couldn't believe what I had participated in the previous day.
Posted by: Shame the Shameless at August 10, 2011 09:15 AM (dh5Eu)
Posted by: Miranda P. Southerland at August 10, 2011 09:15 AM (k1rwm)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 10, 2011 09:15 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at August 10, 2011 09:16 AM (K2wpv)
That's exactly what I was thinking as I wrote that... except through in armed korean shopkeepers to create a little crossfire.
Posted by: phreshone at August 10, 2011 09:16 AM (T3vCe)
Yes, I've been saying this for days. Though at this point, I'm not sure even an army of Harry Browns could save England.
Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 09:16 AM (Ws7wI)
The third has a young woman, who doesn't seem likely to be paying taxes, claiming she's just "getting our taxes back" by looting.
I think she meant the taxes that the rich should have paid, and delivered to her, but didn't.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 10, 2011 09:16 AM (UhTsC)
Posted by: boniface ballers at August 10, 2011 09:17 AM (bPbwB)
Dayum.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 09:17 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 10, 2011 09:17 AM (PjVdx)
We were warned.
Posted by: cherry π at August 10, 2011 01:13 PM (OhYCU)
SOme(R)OneS
Have I mentioned lately how I despise, loathe with every fiber of my being liberals lately?
Posted by: Shame the Shameless at August 10, 2011 09:18 AM (dh5Eu)
Posted by: Katy Beth at August 10, 2011 09:18 AM (8OQ5T)
Posted by: sTevo at August 10, 2011 09:18 AM (e0fM0)
Do Muzzies do conga lines?
sigh
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 09:18 AM (UOM48)
A month or two ago, in some forgotten corner of this blog, someone asked "why do people riot?"
I responded "because it is fun."
Absolutely right. Ask yourself this. If you were from outer space, and you came to Earth and saw the riots after the Rodney King beating, and then you time-traveled backward to the riots after the Detroit Tigers won the 1984 World Series, or forward to the Vancouver riots after the Canucks lost the 2011 Stanley Cup, could you tell them apart? I don't think so. Yet one had a so-called "political" spark, and the others were after sporting events. In reality, they were all just young men in a critical mass with too much liquor and not enough adult supervision.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at August 10, 2011 09:18 AM (qHCyt)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 10, 2011 09:18 AM (AZGON)
Yes, I've been saying this for days. Though at this point, I'm not sure even an army of Harry Browns could save England.
It should be noted than many of the Harry Browns are in fact the immigrants that many English despise, like the Turks.
I think the white English would do well to have a little reflection over who is more traditionally English these days, them or the immigrants.
Posted by: Ben at August 10, 2011 09:18 AM (wuv1c)
Listen to her though, she's just pissed at the looting not the rioting. She still thinks blacks should be protesting the Duggan shooting.
Posted by: lowandslow at August 10, 2011 09:18 AM (GZitp)
Yes you're not the only one who listens to Beck in the morning at the HQ. Yes he suspected and voiced suspicion many months ago that socialist/communist (Can we stop pretending there is a real difference?) activist groups were organizing for massive potentially violent "protests" aimed to wreck the soft and ripe for harvest European union.
Private ownership of firearms is the only thing that prevents similar events in the US.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 10, 2011 09:19 AM (0q2P7)
But don't dare question his patriotism christianity upbringing
Posted by: phreshone at August 10, 2011 09:19 AM (T3vCe)
Which need electrical power to function.
Someone is coordinating these riots all over the world via Facebook.
Oh enough with the conspiracy theories/egypt turned out just fine, democracy, blah
Posted by: Methos at August 10, 2011 09:19 AM (sOXQX)
The most fundamental right is the right to self defense. If I cannot protect myself from attack, then there's no reason to bother with any other right. The UK has spent the last few decades destroying the right to self defense. This is the only logical end to those policies. Once the protections of civilization have been abandoned, there's no reason to cling to the burdens of civilization.
As far as US cities, I'm thinking Atlanta, Detroit (though really who would notice if half of Detroit burned), parts of Chicago and possibly Seattle. LA would turn pretty instantly into all out (even more) open gang warfare.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 10, 2011 09:19 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 10, 2011 09:19 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: brak at August 10, 2011 09:19 AM (nIoiW)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 10, 2011 09:19 AM (AZGON)
1 - wear hoodie
2 - loiter outside your shop
3 - find good use for molotov cocktail if they break into your store
4 - film "tragic accident" for youtube
/ I disavow any knowledge of this post
Posted by: cherry π at August 10, 2011 09:19 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 10, 2011 09:19 AM (i6Neb)
The third has a young woman, who doesn't seem likely to be paying taxes, claiming she's just "getting our taxes back" by looting.
I think she meant the taxes that the rich should have paid, and delivered to her, but didn't.
Its not taxes - its revenue! Where have you been?
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 10, 2011 09:20 AM (0M3AQ)
On any number of fronts, the epitaph of Western Civilization.
Posted by: F--- Nevada! (I'm AoSHQ's DarkLord©, and I approve this message) at August 10, 2011 09:20 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 10, 2011 09:21 AM (AZGON)
...I agree with yinzer - it would happen in Portland or Seattle or San Fran, but not like this in Philly. Not for very long.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 10, 2011 01:10 PM (SB0V2)
A quick look at history shows where these things can happen.
Recall the Rodney King riots? There was a lot of outrage, but only in LA was there anything like London and even then it didn't last long.
In Atlanta there were a few shops smashed up but no big fires like London. If they'd broken out guns or started real damage, the gloves would have come off and there'd be dead rioters. If the rioters started breaking into homes, Darwin's hand would have been very heavy on those lower life forms. Remember, the Second Amendment is with you when the Force is not.
(What's Korean for "Watch this shot"? ...)
Posted by: Warthog at August 10, 2011 09:21 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: ed at August 10, 2011 01:08 PM (Y2WVW)
This is all because these fucking idiots are products of the cradle to grave welfare system and have nothing personally invested, or even know anyone else who might which would make them empathetic, in the property they are stealing or destroying.
It's coming here
Posted by: beedubya at August 10, 2011 09:22 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 10, 2011 09:22 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at August 10, 2011 09:23 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: alexthechick at August 10, 2011 09:23 AM (VtjlW)
You can change your nick, but you're still the same fucking imbecile as always.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 10, 2011 09:23 AM (pdCUF)
The police assured the public that self-defense was not necessary because that was "their job". Well, now everyone sees how well they perform their job.
I think people fed up should start a new campaign. Burn the police stations. Burn Downing Street. Burn the palaces.
It's time for the British people to take back their country. It's time for the reset button.
Posted by: Rod Rescueman at August 10, 2011 09:24 AM (HwE/1)
I remember seeing vid link here of a fat assed lib getting arrested for obstruction while advocating some libprog stupidity. What struck me is how she played to the phonecams lying her libprog fat ass off because she was caught on video doing precisley what she was arrested for. If you take a look at the election map on gateway dot com re the WI elections forecast for 2012, just imagine what all that red would do to those itty bitty blue spots if they try looting for fun here.,,
Posted by: Shame the Shameless at August 10, 2011 09:24 AM (dh5Eu)
Dayum.
Mu guess, the plot will include a bunch of God damn teabaggers trying to cut spending bothering the 'Bamster as he is trying to save the world.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 10, 2011 09:24 AM (Hx5uv)
It's interesting to note that the rioters aren't attacking government institutions, but only private ones.
They are looting and burning down private residences, businesses, etc. But they are not attacking government buildings or things that represent the royal family or the state
Posted by: Ben at August 10, 2011 09:25 AM (wuv1c)
Any petition signed by more than 100,000 UK citizens goes to the cross-party Commons backbench business committee, which will decide whether it is worthy of debate.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 10, 2011 09:25 AM (pdCUF)
Heh. Curiouser and curiouser...
Posted by: F--- Nevada! (I'm AoSHQ's DarkLord©, and I approve this message) at August 10, 2011 09:25 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 10, 2011 09:26 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: ParisParamus at August 10, 2011 09:26 AM (wc/Br)
This is simply 'community activism' taken to its logical conclusion.
Barack and Michelle must be SO proud!
Posted by: Proudvastrightwingconspirator at August 10, 2011 09:26 AM (hyRD4)
Could we tell the difference?
I think Bill Hicks' description of South Central being 420F with gusts of lead coming up Sunset and it being "a pretty good time to get out of the fucking city" apply to LA on a daily basis.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 09:27 AM (VZ10+)
It's interesting to note that the rioters aren't attacking government institutions, but only private ones.
They are looting and burning down private residences, businesses, etc. But they are not attacking government buildings or things that represent the royal family or the state.
Ben, not to be obvious, but the State always protects its own assets. You know the State in England carries guns - private citizens not so much.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 10, 2011 09:28 AM (0M3AQ)
Wisconsin: 600,000 deer hunting permits. Pennsylvania: 750,000 permits. Michigan: over 700,000 and West Virginia around 250,000 permits. Largest army in the world in just those four states. Yeah, riot punks, but do you feel lucky?
Posted by: DumboTheAvenger at August 10, 2011 09:29 AM (BvTwT)
It's just some yoots playing 'the knockout game'. Here's a blurb:
PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – On the same weekend that two men were beaten by violent mobs of teenagers in Center City spurring a police crackdown, another man now says he was randomly attacked on Kelly Drive.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2011 09:29 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 10, 2011 09:29 AM (AZGON)
163 The rioters are simply taking a "balanced approach" to wealth re-distribution and creating a climate of "social justice" by "re-allocating" wealth from those like Obama, who in his own words "doesn't need it" to those who evidently do.
This is simply 'community activism' taken to its logical conclusion.
Barack and Michelle must be SO proud!
Social Justice - lynch mobs with a smile and an NPR explanation.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 10, 2011 09:30 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: SFGoth at August 10, 2011 09:31 AM (dZ756)
Debating the finer points of using 'water' cannons .... while the buildings are burning around you. Nice. Churchill would be very proud! errrr.. actually he'd probably want to stay dead if given the chance to come back. Pathetic beyond all belief. PUSSIES!!!!
This would not happen here. It definitely wouldn't happened in Texas! Something like this could start here with the President agitating for it with the code language 'their fair share' garbage , but would quickly be swatted down.
Posted by: Reid and Pelosis' xanax dealer ... and tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:33 AM (eXQfZ)
Posted by: cherry π at August 10, 2011 09:34 AM (OhYCU)
"Though riots may appear mindless, they often have real benefits to the communities rioting. Riots have real economic gains: large scale theft (a vigorous redistribution of wealth); insurance companies are forced to pay
out, so meaningful sums of money can be forced into circulation;
rebuilding creates jobs; firefighters, cops, lawyers, judges, and the
whole social justice system is ramped up; factories have to make the
replacement cars and other items; essentially riots can accomplish what
governments are failing to do, transfer static (fictional paper) wealth
from the rich and simulate local real economies. Ya, it's a horrible
way to go about reinvigorating an economy, but obviously your
government and welfare Royals aren't doing any better, or there wouldn't
be riots."
Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 09:34 AM (Ws7wI)
When government takes away your firearms, the unspoken promise is that they will protect you in times of trouble.
You don't need the gun because you are protected by the state.
Even if the police have every intent on defending the innocent with deadly force if necessary (as in the USA), they can't possibly respond quickly enough to defend you.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 10, 2011 09:35 AM (pdRb1)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 10, 2011 09:36 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Mike Giles at August 10, 2011 09:36 AM (TuM9l)
This is just the end result of liberal politics. Since the 1960s, the liberals in the UK, and the democrats in the US have been preaching about their version of fairness. They have repeatedly told their supporters that those with money must have gotten it unfairly, and that it is justice to take wealth from those that have it, and redistribute it to those that don't. They have asked their supporters to form mobs to intimidate politicians, judges, CEOs, and other representatives of the upper reaches of society. They have repeatedly enjoined their supporters to roam in the streets, chanting "No justice, no peace!". They have repeatedly told their supporters that they will be rewarded for sloth, and punished for working. They have repeatedly instructed their supporters that those with money are evil, and the poor are inherently good. They have repeatedly told their supporters that criminal action must be understood, and that prison is for rehabilitation, not punishment. They have repeatedly worked to undermine moral values, while at the same time underfunding their military and police infrastructure.
Now that (to quote Lady Thatcher), the livberals are running out of other peoples' money to hand over to the societal leeches, the leeches have discovered that not only does the emperor have no clothes, he is also poorly armed. The looters are merely cutting out the now impotent middleman, and taking from those that contribute to society directly, instead of relying on the liberal politician to give them the cover of 'compassion' while doing much the same via less violent means.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 10, 2011 09:36 AM (UhTsC)
They want to live outside the law? Fine, remove the protection of the law from them such that no crime can be committed against them. You smack one of them with your baseball bat and you haven't committed a crime as long as you put the body in the proper recycle bin.
Posted by: Heorot at August 10, 2011 09:37 AM (Nq/UF)
Actually, they were. And it's tragic. Muslims have as much right to defend their property against the (mostly black) rioters as white Englishmen do.
Posted by: Rod Rescueman at August 10, 2011 09:37 AM (HwE/1)
Nope.
The state has more use for someone who'll burn down a building than for someone who'll stop that guy.
"We are being squeezed between the two."
Between.
There are state-funded (or -dependent) functionaries ("community organizers," and police, e.g.) whose job (real job) is to keep the trash in line (for the dole)—and to send or let them out of line when it serves the interest of the state to do so. Like when there are "cuts" that need to be shown to be dangerous to society.
It's the professional left's version of the "Cut our budget by .07%? Fine, we'll shut down the fire department" move cities make whenever the voters get non-compliant.
Don't get bamboozled.
Posted by: oblig. at August 10, 2011 09:38 AM (xvZW9)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 10, 2011 09:38 AM (AZGON)
Have they stolen Chicago's idea for the mascot of the Games, Chalkie The Chalk Outline Guy, yet?
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 09:38 AM (VZ10+)
Paper. Aluminium. Yob.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 10, 2011 09:39 AM (pdCUF)
Who was that mayor who just said "pull your pants up, buy a belt..."? He needs to be sent to London ASAP.
Posted by: Shame the Shameless at August 10, 2011 09:42 AM (dh5Eu)
Paper. Aluminium. Yob.
"Ma'am, killing a gang member isn't a felony anymore. It's punishable by a $50 fine, which you can mail in."
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 09:42 AM (VZ10+)
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 10, 2011 09:42 AM (4q5tP)
That would probably be the mayor of Philly.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 09:42 AM (VZ10+)
That's completely different from that crazy-assed Christainist Perry.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 10, 2011 09:45 AM (Hx5uv)
I think it could happen in some blue states and inner cities (and, as morong above mentioned, in tree-hugging pockets of USA). It might happen below the Mason-Dixon line, but it won't last long with GOP governors. Heck, Gov. Perry might man the water hose himself when he is not shooting coyotes while jogging.
All you gotta do is look how property owners managed their homes after Katrina with signs like this: "You Loot I Will Shoot."
The best sign I saw then was a store owner in French Quarter who basically said (in a sign) that he was "armed, had a hungry dog and a mean wife." It could have read a hot dog and a hungry wife...regardless, I don't think the looters messed with him. I know that in cities in Mississippi the word from mayors was "shoot to kill." An armed society is a polite society or something.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 10, 2011 09:45 AM (FnRYN)
Posted by: Shame the Shameless at August 10, 2011 09:46 AM (dh5Eu)
Posted by: RiverRat at August 10, 2011 09:46 AM (LdwK7)
Louisiana Neighborhood Watch - http://tinyurl.com/3rskk47
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 09:47 AM (VZ10+)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 10, 2011 09:49 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 09:50 AM (WkuV6)
I think we need to do another gun bleg to figure out what is good riot gear (I said earlier that these rioters are the zombie apocalypse, only with less brains).
Very well put.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2011 09:51 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 09:52 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 09:53 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 10, 2011 09:54 AM (bxiXv)
Faster than you could say First Am... *connection terminated*
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 09:54 AM (VZ10+)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 09:55 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: nickless at August 10, 2011 09:56 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 09:58 AM (WkuV6)
Since the elite can still shop and dine unmolested, of course they feel it's much better to let the ferals do their thing until they get sleepy and mommy government will give them a nice toddy.
Once again, the police aren't there to protect you, they're there to protect the elite from you.
Posted by: kbdabear at August 10, 2011 09:58 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 09:58 AM (GULKT)
Yeah, in less than 100 years they went from beating down people with batons who peacefully protest an unfair tax, to completely tolerating violent riots demanding greater government handouts. Talking about the pendulum swinging too far.
BTW, great GB, the 1930's called and left a message.
"You are all a bunch of bloody barmy nancys; letting yourself be bested by a bunch of poxy pikeys"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 10, 2011 09:59 AM (0q2P7)
Twitter? That almost sounds funny...in many places I have been in the South, (unfortunately not where I am currently stuck) no one would need twitter, or FB.
It would be word of mouth, spontaneous congregations of decent people doing the right thing. Carrying flags and guns.
Posted by: Shame the Shameless at August 10, 2011 09:59 AM (dh5Eu)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 10:00 AM (WkuV6)
There certainly won't be after they've burned down the businesses that provide them.
But 5 star restaurants, high end shops, and luxury flats haven't sniffed the smoke, so the irony of course would be lost on them
Posted by: kbdabear at August 10, 2011 10:01 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Koreatown shop owners in 1992 at August 10, 2011 10:04 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Ellen at August 10, 2011 10:05 AM (B1FXc)
It is touted that 50% of people don't pay income taxes.
Posted by: fb at August 10, 2011 10:05 AM (JVEmw)
what does this say about us?
...after the break, a clear thinking conservative gives his opinion, joined by a bat-shit crazy liberal who will say this was great because of 'social justice'
Wait.. why are our numbers falling? maybe we shouldn't have used the term 'default' like the whitehouse asked us to.. oops
Posted by: Reid and Pelosis' xanax dealer ... and tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 10:07 AM (eXQfZ)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 10, 2011 10:07 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 10, 2011 10:08 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 10, 2011 10:08 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: Zombie Napoleon Bonaparte at August 10, 2011 10:09 AM (xy9wk)
Posted by: Shame the Shameless at August 10, 2011 10:11 AM (dh5Eu)
@16: "Wonder where Peggy Joseph stands on this?"
Shit, I'm too busy lootin' Tesco. Just got me a "bloody marvelous telly," according to my cousin. I'm Clark Griswold up in this bitch!
Posted by: Peggy Joseph's European Vacation at August 10, 2011 10:12 AM (xy9wk)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 10, 2011 10:14 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at August 10, 2011 10:17 AM (e8T35)
for that matter
Could Steyns new book have hit the street on a more relevant week?
Posted by: Shiggz at August 10, 2011 10:17 AM (v8Pb8)
Updated again for even more truthiness.
Posted by: Rod Rescueman at August 10, 2011 10:18 AM (HwE/1)
Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Boyfriend at August 10, 2011 10:22 AM (kUaEF)
"Noam Chomsky Says Christian Right Supports Israel Because They Are Anti-Semitic And Want The Jewish Population to be Exterminated by Armageddon"
Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 10:27 AM (k1rwm)
Updated again for even more truthiness.
Posted by: Rod Rescueman at August 10, 2011 02:18 PM
233 I was in Los Angeles back in 2020, the high-end shopping district, Rodeo Drive, had a Pinkerton Obama Youth Troop with an uzi on EVERY street corner.
Once more for even greater accuracy
Posted by: kbdabear at August 10, 2011 10:28 AM (Y+DPZ)
Only Chomsky could come up with logic that is so completely ass-backwards that people will fall all over themselves declaring its brilliance.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 10:29 AM (VZ10+)
He's just the latest example. People's thinking processes are off somehow.
Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 10:34 AM (k1rwm)
He said simply "dependency does not breed gratitude"
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 10, 2011 01:08 PM (SB0V2)
Link?
Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 10:34 AM (LD21B)
Posted by: baldilocks at August 10, 2011 10:36 AM (T2/zQ)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 10, 2011 10:37 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 10:38 AM (k1rwm)
Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 10:40 AM (k1rwm)
@68: "At what point will the British Govt bring in the military?"
Bit of rum luck there, I'm afraid. You see, Tom is on deployment in Afghanistan, and Gerry is currently in action in Libya. We're already fully committed in the field. No one else to send, you see.
Posted by: Zombie Sir Garnet Wolseley at August 10, 2011 10:42 AM (xy9wk)
Posted by: baldilocks at August 10, 2011 10:45 AM (T2/zQ)
Run that by your momma, scrunt, and then ask her why she shouldn't be absolutely ashamed of the way she raised you!
Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 10:46 AM (spEu4)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 01:27 PM (VZ10+)
Sunset Blvd is not South Central LA.
I never said Bill Hicks knew much about LA other than how much he hated living there.
Incidentally enough, the OTHER half of that particular skit was Bill in England with everyone coming up to him and telling him that crime is horrible there, too.
His response is that "This is Hobbiton and I'm Bilbo Hicks."
It's amazing how relevant Hicks remains despite him being dead for about 15 years.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 10:48 AM (VZ10+)
Posted by: stillers at August 10, 2011 10:53 AM (rh9K2)
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Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 10, 2011 01:13 PM
Mexicans have been "ethnic cleansing" SC LA since around the time Mayor Tony took over. Mexican gangs have even murdered blacks on the street as gang initiations, but it's not logged as a "hate crime" since they prefer to think of it as a "gang violence problem caused by too many guns on the street"
Posted by: kbdabear at August 10, 2011 11:07 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at August 10, 2011 11:09 AM (qwK3S)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2011 01:27 PM (VZ10+)
Sunset Blvd is not South Central LA.
No, its not. LA is very big and its lost on many. South Central is bad on a good day. You'd never want to break down on the 710 at night.
Sunset is on the 'rich' side of the 101 fwy, while the other side is the valley.. a valley of welfare scumbags. I don't think a riot could happen there though, because there are so many cops. LAPD or the Sheriffs Dept don't fuck around here. Its already happend here and the training is based, you know, on real life shit.
Alot of people outside of CA kind of picture the Rodney King thing as the jury gets out, then people start burning things outside the courthouse. Nope. Simi Valley (King trial thingy place) is 40 miles away from where the riots happened. Riots started because black community organizers agitated for them to riot. "No Justice, No Peace".. yep. They just wanted to break stuff and take whatever wasn't nailed down. It didn't spread too far from the poor area. People shot back. Especially the Asian store owners. They weren't prosecuted either, for the most part.
South Central or East Los Angeles? Yep. anything is possible. Sad thing is, nobody would give two shits either. The only business outside of liquor stores are our entire industrial base. So no biggy. /sarc
Posted by: Reid and Pelosis' xanax dealer ... and tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 11:15 AM (eXQfZ)
(Isn't Chomsky a favorite of *MATT DAMON!!*?)
Posted by: nickless at August 10, 2011 11:16 AM (MMC8r)
I hope, then, those vigilante committees riot, too. Seems the only way to get "justice."
Seriously, my response to that order would be "FYNQ."
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Posted by: Waterhouse at August 10, 2011 02:40 PM (pdCUF)
CODE RED. It posts among us.
Good catch Waterhouse. Thank you.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 10, 2011 11:45 AM (FnRYN)
Posted by: Texan Economist at August 10, 2011 12:18 PM (TC/9F)
I have a stupid assed question.
Where are the law bidding people?
hiding waiting on the police?
Ok color me crazy I would go and stand with the police.
yea yea I know easier said then done, but I have done it and will do it again. A cop was in a fight with some asshole in front my house, its a tied up fight my daugther ran into the house crying that a cop was in a fight, I ran out there asked the cop if he needed a hand, the perp stopped fighting. he then said he was going to come back and fix me. Told him he had my address come on back, the cop told him to STFU .
you WE cannot depend on just the police. they cannot do it ALONE. I guess thats the diff between a subject and a freeman.
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Posted by: The Accident Audio Book at August 10, 2011 04:08 PM (gRXfV)
"If they had fancied my taxi, there would have been nothing I or the driver could have done about that, either."
Some of the video shows some pretty big groups of rioters, but I have yet to see a mob big enough to physically stop an automobile. If you're rioting in my town and I'm trying to drive home and you decide that you're going to try to damage, destroy or take control of my vehicle, you will get run over. The idea that a person who doesn't believe it's okay to run over a thug who's throwing a brick through his windshield would be willing to put a bullet into that same thug is frankly delusional.
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