January 24, 2011

Long Live Disharmony...The Savior Of The Republic
— DrewM

A few days ago Slu wrote a great post about the stupid bipartisan seating plan for the State of the Union. Since then the movement has only gotten more absurd. I'm pretty sure Kirsten "The Hot One" Gillibrand and John Thune are going to be elected Homecoming King and Queen.

What I really hate about this is that the parties were never supposed to get along (ok, technically the founders hated the idea of parties but they were an inevitable part of America from Day 1). The entire American system is based on competing power centers limiting each other. The Constitution is a deft piece of political engineering where forces are set against each other in tension to create a rigid and durable structure. Remove some of those tensions and the whole system weakens.

Our two party system is less well designed, it was never really designed actually, but it also serves an important function. By constantly competing for broad swaths of the electorate (unlike a multi-party parliamentary system where minority parties can wield undue influence), American parties are forced to play within a fairly narrow band of options. This usually works well because the federal government isn't designed to do the kind of big heroic things that give Tom Friedman and David Brooks erections. They and other liberals see this as a bug, I see it as a feature.

Other than matters of war and peace (and even that's more theoretical than reality), I don't want the parties working together. When they work together things get done and experience shows that's when the trouble starts.

The system really breaks down when one party (almost inevitably the Democrats) gets too much power or help from the other. They then can bend the political branches of government to their will. At that point, it becomes possible to do something really big and stupid like Social Security. Toss in a complaint judiciary and you have the roots of today's fiscal crisis. Had there been an effective opposition in the New Deal and Great Society eras, they could have stopped feel good but ruinous programs.

In fairness, Republicans did oppose those programs but the Democrats had them out numbered and the will of the voters was done. That's nice and all but those people only voted themselves the goodies, while leaving their posterity, us, not "a more perfect union" but an unsustainable level of spending and debt. The limitations on majorities to wreak such havoc on future generations is supposed to be a benefit of the limits on the constitutional reach of the federal government. The concept stands...too much political agreement often leads to disastrous results.

The problem now is gridlock plays into the hands of those who created the mess. If we can't build an overwhelming coalition to undo what liberals have wrought, they win by default (until we run out of places to borrow money from). Part of building that coalition to undo the worst of the excesses means affixing blame and punishing those who enable the system (including Republicans like Robert Bennett when a viable replacement is electable). We aren't going to create the environment where hard choices can be made if we soften the distinctions between the parties.

Democrats aren't going to "work with us" to fix the problems they created, so what's the point in courting them?

Posted by: DrewM at 08:40 AM | Comments (50)
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1 The Democrats are like the guy who offers to put the dinner bill on his tab. Everyone pays him cash covering dinner + tip. He uses the money to cover his share and stiffs the wait staff.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2011 08:42 AM (LdYLm)

2 Modern Democrats suck.

Posted by: Stuff Thomas Jefferson said, Vol IV at January 24, 2011 08:43 AM (S5YRY)

3 So what you are saying ,Drew, is that we are boned?

Posted by: steevy at January 24, 2011 08:44 AM (kwo94)

4 They don't call us the stupid party for no reason.  They fall for it every.single.time.

Posted by: Tami at January 24, 2011 08:47 AM (VuLos)

5 The SOTU speech is a dog and pony show anyway.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2011 08:47 AM (9lUb/)

6 Any R that agrees to date a D should be run out of the party. If DeMint was a man, he would whip "it" out and piss over the heads of any D within 6 feet of his seat. Fucking douchebags.

Posted by: Barbarian at January 24, 2011 08:48 AM (EL+OC)

7 I just want to use this thread as another opportunity to say "Fuck McCain and the rest of the RINOs"

Thank you.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 24, 2011 08:48 AM (olKiY)

8

In fairness, Republicans did oppose those programs but the Democrats had them out numbered and the will of the voters was done.

Not always.  Most of the time we lie about what we want and then pull a bait-and-switch, hoping the proles get addicted to our programs.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 24, 2011 08:49 AM (BvBKY)

9

The problem now is gridlock plays into the hands of those who created the mess. If we can't build an overwhelming coalition to undo what liberals have wrought, they win by default (until we run out of places to borrow money from).. . . . Democrats aren't going to "work with us" to fix the problems they created, so what's the point in courting them?

Good God, even DrewM gets it--but not eunuchs of the GOP. Its like they put McCain in charge of their brains.

Posted by: the greatest generation at January 24, 2011 08:49 AM (K/USr)

10 I thought that the election results just might start a process which just might rescue this nation--but what the Dems and libtards and MFM did on the Giffords shooting convinced me ( beyond any reasonable doubt ) that these people are not opponents but enemies

Because of the Repb majority in the House, my enemies cannot fund any of their agenda, so I'm willing to work towards 2012.  If those elections do not bring a sane Prez and Repub Senate majority, it's time for a civil war--because the Usual Suspects will deliberately ruin this country

Yes, I said it.  Ban me; blow me, whatever

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 24, 2011 08:50 AM (UqKQV)

11 Part of building that coalition to undo the worst of the excesses means affixing blame and punishing those who enable the system

Hard to punish the New Dealers at this point.  In fact, it's not straightforward to punish those who killed Bush's attempt at reforming SS with personal savings accounts.  Affix blame all you want, but punishment is probably something best left to the divinity of your choice.  That's less gratifying than vengeance for what they have done, but it keeps a focus on the most important goal, namely solving the problem. 

Posted by: pep at January 24, 2011 08:51 AM (GMG6W)

12 1 The Democrats are like the guy who offers to put the dinner bill on his tab. Everyone pays him cash covering dinner + tip. He uses the money to cover his share and stiffs the wait staff.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2011 12:42 PM (LdYLm)

Yep, thus they proove to themselves that there IS Such a Thing as a Free Lunch!

Its just the rest who have to pay....

My problem is that they are now putting lunch on my KIDS Credit Card...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2011 08:51 AM (AdK6a)

13 This all sounds like more hate speech to me. We're all supposed to be nice and love one another... unless, of course, you are a greedy, gun-toting, hateful rhetoric spewing, Sarah Palin inspired Republican... then you should be mocked and silenced then die.

Posted by: Democrat Caucus at January 24, 2011 08:52 AM (3nrx7)

14

Chuckie Schumer was on Disgrace the Nation yesterday, beaming about his upcoming date with Tom Coburn.  I swear you could see Schmuckie smirking--even he can't believe how pw'ed the GOP is. And of course John "Fight with Me" McCain was there to underscore just how magnificent was the Chairman's Tucson Rally Speech.

Posted by: right field bleachers at January 24, 2011 08:52 AM (K/USr)

15

The SOTU speech is a dog and pony show anyway.

 

To add:  Probably the only reason it still exists is that it is the only time that many of the representatives or senaters will ever be on tv while they're in office.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2011 08:52 AM (9lUb/)

16 Funny how in two years, we went from "I won" to a sudden need for Bipartisanship...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2011 08:53 AM (AdK6a)

17 Current method -- 'We need a trillion.' 'Well, that's too much, how about $988 billion?' 'Children will starve.' 'Ok, we will go $998 billion but that is our final offer.' 'Done.'
 
New method -- 'We need a trillion.' 'You can have nothing.' 'Children will starve.' 'They need to lose weight anyhow, and if you keep bugging me I will cut out another trillion this year.' 'Eeeeeek!'

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 24, 2011 08:53 AM (h0RtZ)

18

11Ban me; blow me, whatever

Do I get to choose?

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at January 24, 2011 08:54 AM (K/USr)

19 Dems gain their power from the carefully cultivated captive constituencies they've constructed.  (In other news, I vow not to use the letter 'c' for the remainder of this post.)  Unless and until this fuel supply is denied them--and with the lengths they've gone to in the interests of keeping a grip on them--somehow overwhelming them is one of those things that, gee, would be a great idea, if only we knew how...

I fear we waited too long.

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at January 24, 2011 08:54 AM (GBXon)

20 There's a name for our situation:  Kobayashi Maru.

A no-win scenario that can only be overcome by changing the rules.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 24, 2011 08:54 AM (S5YRY)

21 How dare you diminish the importance of who sits where.  How else will we know who the cool kids are?

Posted by: Miss Connie, Romper Room at January 24, 2011 08:54 AM (GMG6W)

22 I voted for an overwhelming show of power in congress this year, and any R that plays the footsie game during the  SOTU should be voted OUT next time.

Posted by: E. Pluribus Unum at January 24, 2011 08:54 AM (xs5wK)

23 Since when is sitting next to a colleague at a dog and pony show "courting the other side"?  You know these guys all go out for drinks together.. and golf together.. and go on junkets together.

Telling them you won't vote for them next time because they dare sit next to a Democrat?  How fucking naive can you get?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 24, 2011 08:55 AM (f9c2L)

24 All things to keep in mind at that future constitutional convention....

Posted by: KG at January 24, 2011 08:58 AM (2k/Dg)

25

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 24, 2011 12:50 PM (UqKQV)

 

I agree.  Although, we should have had the civil war back in the late 60's/early 70's.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2011 08:58 AM (9lUb/)

26 Hey.... maybe we could get Ace to put up a thread where we could VOTE on the Prom Queen and King ... uh... I mean most Civil Bipartisan Couple at the SOTU!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2011 08:59 AM (AdK6a)

27 Chuckie Schumer was on Disgrace the Nation yesterday, beaming about his upcoming date with Tom Coburn.

Chuckie needs OB/GYN services? At his age?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 24, 2011 09:00 AM (4ucxv)

28 How fucking naive can you get?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 24, 2011 12:55 PM (f9c2L)

Not naive. Just vengeful.

Posted by: E. Pluribus Unum at January 24, 2011 09:01 AM (xs5wK)

29 Some New York delegation members havenÂ’t decided if theyÂ’ll break with the usual divided seating arrangement. Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-Hurley, Ulster County, said no one has asked him yet.


 

Rep. Hinchey then sighed wistfully, and gazed sadly at the other happy couples walking by.



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 24, 2011 09:02 AM (x1dWw)

30 Dear Diary

I'm not sure I want to go to the Congressional Sadie Hawkins Dance with Barney Frank again this year.  Part of me loves the attention that he lavishes upon me, but he can be so rough sometimes.  I guess it comes with the territory of being so handsome though.

Posted by: Chuck Schumer's Secret Diary at January 24, 2011 09:03 AM (S7vS4)

31 I have always thought the the seating should be by state, not party. With the northeastern states in the back rows.

Posted by: Museisluse at January 24, 2011 09:03 AM (u/Nbu)

32

I'm sure that after the SOTU, the dems. will demand to have some after prom sex.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2011 09:03 AM (9lUb/)

33 Freshman Republican Rep. Tom Reed of Corning likewise has no firm plan. “I’m going to sit wherever there’s a seat,’’ he said.



Tramp.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 24, 2011 09:04 AM (x1dWw)

34

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 24, 2011 12:55 PM (f9c2L)

Much of this is the Democrats hiding their numbers from the last election..

Instead of letting the American public see the empty seats on the Democrat side of the isle and the packed house on the Republican side..  They'll see a full house. 

and standing ovations at every.frakking.pause. 

Posted by: Dave C at January 24, 2011 09:04 AM (Cki+o)

35

Henry Waxman & Lisa Murcokesky, your Bipartisan Prom Royalty!

Posted by: Some dope at January 24, 2011 09:05 AM (K/USr)

36 This just once again proves that the MFM still controls congress.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2011 09:07 AM (9lUb/)

37 At least during this Sucking Off The Unwashed speech, we won't have watch Pelosi popping up and down like a jackhammer on meth.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 24, 2011 09:10 AM (h0RtZ)

38 Until Boehner and senate repubs. can just say "no", I'm thinking that we'll all keep getting fucked with the barbed cock of DC.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2011 09:12 AM (9lUb/)

39

I agree.  Although, we should have had the civil war back in the late 60's/early 70's.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2011 12:58 PM (9lUb/)

Better late than never, as the Old Folks used to say. 

I can see Harper's Ferry from my house   !

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 24, 2011 09:13 AM (UqKQV)

40 Whose Ryan's date?

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2011 09:13 AM (9lUb/)

41 Rep. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) is planning to sit together with members of her bipartisan women's softball team.




Biting my tongue......

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 24, 2011 09:14 AM (x1dWw)

42 Breaking news:  Rahmbo is OFF the ballot!  Does not meet the residency requirement!

Posted by: RushBabe at January 24, 2011 09:19 AM (urYpw)

43 43 Breaking news:  Rahmbo is OFF the ballot!  Does not meet the residency requirement!

Posted by: RushBabe at January 24, 2011 01:19 PM (urYpw)

So where does he appeal next?

Posted by: Museisluse at January 24, 2011 09:22 AM (u/Nbu)

44 That's less gratifying than vengeance for what they have done, but it keeps a focus on the most important goal, namely solving the problem.

Posted by: pep at January 24, 2011 12:51 PM (GMG6W)

*They* are not a distraction from the problem, they *are* the problem!

Telling them you won't vote for them next time because they dare sit next to a Democrat? How fucking naive can you get?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 24, 2011 12:55 PM (f9c2L)

We're not naive, we're just tired of our "representatives" continuing to cooperate with people who constantly stab us in the back. Appeasement never satisfies them, it only encourages them. We don't want to encourage Democrats at this point, we can't afford it.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 24, 2011 09:23 AM (bxiXv)

45

So where does he appeal next?

Posted by: Museisluse at January 24, 2011 01:22 PM (u/Nbu)

Rush said this was the appellate court overturning the lower court's decision 2-1.

Posted by: RushBabe at January 24, 2011 09:32 AM (urYpw)

46

Telling them you won't vote for them next time because they dare sit next to a Democrat?  How naive can you get?

Well, that's the whole point, isn't it?  We know these cocksucking RINOs drink and play around with each other off the floor (and on our tab).  That's the sham of this whole "my learned friend, the senator from Ohio" crap the Senate pulls.  They're not there doing the people's business, they're setting up sweet post-election deals and lining up jobs for their mistresses and cousins and inbred brother-in-laws.  That's why the Tea Party movement got traction in the first place - because it's THEM against US, and we've caught on.

So Tucson and this imbecilic crap about sitting together plays right into the hands of the treasonous Democrats and sniveling RINOs like Thune who'd whore out his mother for a ball-licking piece from the NYT.  It reinforces bad behavior, like not disciplining your dog.  If jackwagons like Thune get away with this stunt, do you think they're going to be afraid of the Tea Party?  No.  They'll say to themselves, "hey, I sat with my good friend Schmuck Schumer and look!  Chris Matthews likes me!  And those Tea Party racists didn't call my office or raise a stink or do anything!  They're just a bag of wind!"

The TP should make it clear - any Republican who sits next to a Democrat will have a challenger in their next primary, if not a mob waiting at their office to string them up.

Democrats are traitorsRINOs are traitors.  If we let them get away with this, then we should pack up our fucking bags and give up, because we've proven we won't fight the enemy.

Posted by: Christopher at January 24, 2011 10:28 AM (zF6Iw)

47 this will just give us a list of those to be primaried in 2012 ...  it makes it easy since they'll self identify ...

Posted by: Jeff at January 24, 2011 10:32 AM (A3tpD)

48 So, which Republican can actually win the White House in 2012?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 24, 2011 10:56 AM (mHQ7T)

49

@11: "Because of the Repb majority in the House, my enemies cannot fund any of their agenda, so I'm willing to work towards 2012.  If those elections do not bring a sane Prez and Repub Senate majority, it's time for a civil war--because the Usual Suspects will deliberately ruin this country."

Except that the GOP already had the Presidency, the House, and the Senate not that long ago, and they accomplished precisely fuck-all with it.  Well, not quite fuck-all; they did manage to expand entitlements and increase spending.

Posted by: Robert Evans at January 24, 2011 11:28 AM (xy9wk)

50 Government grows. That's what it does. That's all it does. Until it collapses and brings down a nation. Then you hope there are enough sane, honest people to restart something other than Totalitarianism.

With a Constitutionally ignorant (by and large) political body that colludes on actual power-grabbing behind superficial spectacles before the masses, it will continue to grow by fits and starts. This Homecoming Dance is the latest charade to frame the government as cooperatively united because it wants to project magnificence. Ultimately, performance when the cameras are off is what matters, and history proves that our institutions of government power insist upon growing while diminishing individual Liberty. Perhaps it's less of a charade than we'd like it to be.

The parties are two sides of the same coin whose current price is artificially inflated well beyond its actual value.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 24, 2011 11:43 AM (swuwV)

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