1 Meh.  Facts won't get in their way.

2 It's a slow day when a slacker like me gets the first post.  Either that or I have no life.  Six of one, half dozen of the other...

3

I would love to sit with Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Paul Krugman and the like to watch this

Why would you want to do this, cracka?

4 Keep you children out of the room when viewing this video Â…
it may cause them to go to sleep Â… boring

"Pink Flamingos" is  better.

5 And how did the hash maker know I'm a Texan?

6

Do. Not. Fall. For. It.

Blow is merely the one assigned to sound credible and conciliatory THIS TIME.

Unless he goes the full monty and criticizes people by name - calls them out and demands some sort of atonement, with consequences for failing to make real and honest corrections - he's just playing along with the plan.

The New York Slimes cannot be allowed to regain credibility for the left so easily.

7 Seems if the left has lost a guy like Blow

Eh? He still blames the "preponderance" of the violent rhetoric on the right. They haven't lost him, he's trying to get them to put the mask back on so it's easier to keep duping the rubes.

8 he's trying to get them to put the mask back on so it's easier to keep duping the rubes.

Yep.  The fascist mask slipped prematurely.

9 All Blow is saying is the patently obvious.  "Shut up, we look like idiots with this shit".

10 “As the truth comes out about this nutcase, doesn’t it seem like the media can’t believe that the killer doesn’t care about them? It’s like they think they had an impact on him, when in fact all he cares about is UFOs.”

11 Blow is just doing his particular "good cop" bit. The Con continues.

12 I'm surprised he didn't make an A in Sociology.  But this was a community college.  If it had been a University...

13

No he's not saying it because it's obvious. He's saying it because it backfired.

If the polling showed otherwise, ie, that Dems didn't literally prove to be jackasses this week, he'd be joining in their hateful chorus of smears.

14
This video puts a lie to this guy's mental incompetence. He's a shithead, but he's no 'tard.

He clearly knows right from wrong. He's not some drooling mental defective.

Hang him. High.

15 Hey, we need Roger Ebert to review this.  Obviously the symbolism is more than our brains can fathom because ... well, it sucks.

16 Playoff thread ? Anyone?

17 Drudge has:

NYT PLANS SUNDAY EXCLUSIVE ON ORIGINS OF 'STUXNET WORM', WHICH IS BELIEVED TO HAVE INFECTED IRAN NUKE PLANT... DEVELOPING..

gotta bet that the worm has American origins and the NYT will publish a "fix" patch for the Iranians. It's what they are...

18 Please stand by for an important message from President Obama. *crickets* *far-off train whistle* *cawing crows* *door banging in the wind* Thank you. We now return you to your regular programing.

19 Gawd I'm tired of this.

20 "Illegal wars"?  "Low pay"?  Doesn't sound conservative to me...

Maybe Blow is having his... Juan Williams moment...."

1/2 OT:  there was a time, until recently, that I couldn't stomach to even look at the NYT because it was so vile.  But now, apparently, the separation of my from my former "lib" self must be complete, because I will, at least, look at the NYT when it's laying around the café I go to.  Or is it "lying" around?  It's an object, but it's filled with lies, so.....????

21

It’s like they think they had an impact on him, when in fact all he cares about is UFOs.”

I didn't know we were talking about Spielberg.

22 Where is all the torture ?   ... besides being forced to watch this POS.

23
In fairness^©, there were a lot of Tea Partiers with signs protesting the 'illegal' wars at the rallies.

24

With the beginnings of evidence that the rally tshirts were recycled Obama for America stuff, and that open borders people were bused to the memorial/rally (Chicanos Unidas Arizona, so maybe those were the Brewer booers), yes I'd say the mask slipped prematurely.

It did so because they don't have the numbers or the time to be careful.

Soros IS 80, after all.  If he's going to do his Man Who Broke The Bank of England on us, he hasn't much time.

Obama (or rather the machine for which he is the pretty good-speech-giving hood ornament) kicked off his campaign at the "memorial service".

Game on.

25
Lesson for today: don't start no shit if you're wearing a miniskirt and a wig.

/nods

26 Makes me wanna go out and signup for "Bad Films 101"

27 We can haz football thread?  Pretty please?

28 r.e. the reaction to Mr.Blow (no jokes here) "don't interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

29

So, let's see: Charles blew the whistle on the NYT for blowing it ...

 

30 How does one get a name like Blow?

31

The New York Slimes cannot be allowed to regain credibility for the left so easily.

Posted by: ThomasD

One under-the-radar column won't give them any credibility. It would take several years of serious deprogramming in the media industry for that to happen. The entire culture of journalism would have to shift radically to a fact-based, bias-acknowledged format structured so that self-critique is paramount and the 'narrative' subjugated.

The NYT isn't a one-off leftie rag; it's just the most prominent example of propaganda media. One column isn't going to do squat. So relax.

32

Contest!

Lets see who can write the best version of tomorrow's Frank Rich's article.

Here's my entry:

We are so intelligent and with-it, and they are so not.  Just look at Loughner.

Not bad, eh?

33

Ladies and Gentlemen, relax your sphincters.  Playoff thread shortly.  Game in 20 minutes.

34 I bet a lot of cable subscriptions got cancelled.

35 We can haz football thread? 

And the guy, whose handle I can't pronounce, melts-down in 3..2...1...

36
I will be in that football thread.

And I will not be discussing football.

I am that crazy.

37

  Game in 20 minutes.

Can we have pre game thread?

38 Blow was right there in the thick of it on day one.  I remember it clearly, having browsed the articles.  It's frankly fraud for him to try and claim the moral high ground at this point...

39 *rubs hands together in anticipation of recipe football thread*

Oh, and Go Falcons!

40 Contest! Lets see who can write the best version of tomorrow's Frank Rich's article. Here's my entry: We are so intelligent and with-it, and they are so not. Just look at Loughner. Not bad, eh? Posted by: rdbrewer at January 15, 2011 04:09 PM (MGUzf) Here's mine. Palin. Bush. Iraq. Guns. Bad.

41 lacey, I'm agreeing.  I just meant Blow isn't having some crisis of conscience.  He's embarrassed because it's patently obvious that it failed and therefore lefties who keep pushing it make them all look like idiots.

42 Blogorama postmania
 but where is the Cheerleederus Maximus ?
Football   .   cause B Ball blows

43 You guys are cruisin' for a bruisin'..._{I love it.}

44 gotta bet that the worm has American origins and the NYT will publish a "fix" patch for the Iranians. It's what they are...

We blame Sarah Palin for the Stuxnet worm.

45 Regarding my comment toward the end of the thread below, if I see any recipes for raccoon, I'll be calling the Savannah cops.

46
don't be talkin shit

wigs gonna fly

47
You do realize Shara Palin was holding the camera, Rush Limbaugh drove him there and Glenn Beck wrote the speech.

48 Why don't they release the photos of him in a G-string? Where the hell does a guy go to buy a G-string, anyway?

49 So, why didn't his parents take him to a doctor? This video which got him kicked out of school, was made in September. Don't they think his kid is odd?

50 At least Blow is saying it as opposed to ignoring it.

51 Where the hell does a guy go to buy a G-string, anyway?

Guitar shop.

Thank you! Try the veal!

52 Playoff thread shortly.  Game in 20 minutes.

Make the pic a good one, DiT.  Oh, who am I kidding.  We would complain if she was buck nekkid.

53 whats next an update on Christine O'Donnell ??
Oh crap just kidding !

54 Also, if anyone had any doubts about Laughnick's state of mind.. doubt no more.

55 Regarding my comment toward the end of the thread below, if I see any recipes for raccoon, I'll be calling the Savannah cops.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 15, 2011 04:12 PM (UOM4

Weeeelllll doggies!  Better go see what vittles Granny is cooking up in the kitchen.  She was hittin the rheumatiz jug pretty hard earlier.

56 Charles Blow has an unfortunate older, unattractive sister (professor of women's studies, NYU) named Wendy Blow.  She prefers Winifred.

57 Serve hot with cornbread.

58 I will be in that football thread.

And I will not be discussing football.

I am that crazy.

I was thinking more like "whiny".  Merovign's right...

59 I can't tell if he is laughing, crying, or just breathing funny in this video.

60 Nobody ever fucking listens.

They didn't "lose" Blow, he's playing stage 2.

Stage 1: Lies, abuse, false accusations.
Stage 2: Claim the middle ground, demand civility.
Stage 3: Carry on with the assumption that the lie is true, refuse to discuss it.

The fact that he continues to blame the right for what the left is doing makes this just part of the Big Lie strategy, and the claim of desire for civility is disingenuous.

Stop falling for it, they're not apologizing, they're still hitting you.

61 Ladies and Gentlemen, relax your sphincters. 

bad idea . . .

Playoff thread shortly.  Game in 20 minutes.

Excellent!  Thanks, Dave!!

62

We would complain if she was buck nekkid.

Now this is the most obvious statement of the day.

63 39 *rubs hands together in anticipation of recipe football thread*

Oh, and Go Falcons!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 15, 2011 04:11 PM (UOM4

*rubs hands together in anticipation of recipe football thread*

Oh, and Go Cream Cheese Flan!

 

64

Again, the reaction here should be pity.  Who knows what the guy was seeing in his hallucinations.  It's a shame that nobody acted to protect him and others, but we have a "hands off" society.  When people see kids doing stupid stuff, they don't say anything for fear of parental repercussions (or getting stabbed or shot).

I can't imagine being a paranoid schizophrenic, and how terrifying the world would look.  I would just hope to h*ll that someone would help me get treatment.    :-(

65 50 At least Blow is saying it as opposed to ignoring it.

That's damning with faint praise.  Blow doesn't have a choice now;  The Loughner "Blame it on the Teabaggers" gambit has failed.  Still, he vaguely couches his terms, which still is obfuscation. 

66 Conservatives, shying away from a conversation about guns, have focused on the assailantÂ’s mental illness. Liberals, conceding the assailantÂ’s mental illness, have turned to its tried-and-true gun law agenda.

A "tried-and-true" law agenda would have stopped this dead, don't ya see.  But all conservatives can see is the crazy.

^{/(Maybe a little less crazy from the left would help.)}

67 If he was going to spout hate and anger, based on words or actions by anyone, he would have done so in his own video.  That would have made him feel justified in whatever heinous crime(s) he was about to commit.  And I'm sure you noticed; he mentioned no one.  No politico, no party (tea or otherwise) and it certainly doesn't seem as though he was politically influenced, other than his learned 'legal opinion' as to the constitutionality of the war.  He - and his actions - are being used to the nth degree for no other reason than to advance their ideology and smear a major opponent.

68 Speaking of things that blow, anyone else suffering through the CBS pregame?  There should be a Congressional Resolution that all football needs to be on Fox.  These guys are really stinkin' the place up.

69 The new New York Times? Maybe. But first, they will Charles Blow me.

70 48 Why don't they release the photos of him in a G-string? Where the hell does a guy go to buy a G-string, anyway?   I was re-finishing a desk and the fumes got to me so I had to vacate. However, fumes or not, and I'm not Freud, but doesn't this asshole taking pictures of the gun next to his naked ass and a red g-string indicate that his obsession with Giffords is sexual?    

71

Wait! Where's the red G-string? I've been waiting all weekend for that.

72 One of the bigger horseshit scams in this whole episode is acting like the parents were just some well-intended dimwits and that what their fuckheaded son did took them completely by surprise. You can't watch that video and think they didn't know exactly what a nutter that cocksucker was, with no grounding in reality. I'm sure they're imbeciles also but the STM insists on giving them a pass so fuck them.

73

Obama (or rather the machine for which he is the pretty good-speech-giving hood ornament) kicked off his campaign at the "memorial service".

I listened (impatiently) to the oratory and commented that it sure sounded like a campaign speech to me.

74 Yeah, Blow is a hack, so it's surprising to see him write something credible.

75

I can't tell if he is laughing, crying, or just breathing funny in this video.

He's laughing because he's so much smarter than anyone else.

76 Its the damn grammar. Fix the grammar and we return to the Garden. Shoosh. Here's hoping Steelers crush Ravens. Can't stand that team.

77 Maybe Blow is pulling a Cartman, so to speak. If he confesses first (even just a tiny bit), he'll take the least grief compared to Kenny, Kyle, and Stan who thought they'd all stick together. I'm pretty sure that's what Blow did when he TP'd The Washington Times.

78

How did his parents not know he needed help? Ignoring this did not make it go away...

I can't wait for a full-on investigation into what Shurrif Dipshit knew and when he knew it. Then I want to hear him explain to the good folk in Pima County how he allowed this tragedy to happen.

Genocide indeed.

79

It's a shame that nobody acted to protect him and others, but we have a "hands off" society. 

Unless you're a racist, homophobe, Islamophobe or Christian extremist.

80

It's a shame that nobody acted to protect him and others, but we have a "hands off" society. 

Unless you're a racist, homophobe, Islamophobe or Christian extremist.

Or you would like to take a commercial flight.

81 dude is batchit crazy...is it any coincidence he sounds like you're average democrat msnbc zombie?

82 Is Erg going to come lecture us some more, or did he permanently slink off in shame after he was totally pwn3d last night?

83

In the 2010 election, I was worried that the Dems might do a staged attack on themselves  before the election and blame Republicans, tea partiers and conservatives. The media and the dems were "setting the stage". Remember all the things Nancy Pelosi said and did just herself. Mobs, tears, and gavels? Anyway, Beck and Palin were brilliant in their 500 thousand Patriot march. No violence, no rhetoric, no signs, no polution even. So I believe the Dems decided to wait until 2012.

However, the Dems and media put most of their chips in on the real Jared Lee Loughner and it has blown up in their faces. I feel less worried about this now. They have shot their proverbial load. It was a premature eJaredulation.

84 That sounded a lot like the rant by the woman who smacked the mail carrier a few months ago.  He kept laboring to make his points (and the stairs).  I give it an D for performance, but a B plus for incoherency, so he's got that going for him.

On a lighter note, I may memorize that speech for recitation on the bus.  Should keep the gangbangers far away from me.

85 So, why didn't his parents take him to a doctor? This video which got him kicked out of school, was made in September. Don't they think his kid is odd?

Posted by: moi at January 15, 2011 04:15 PM (Ez4Ql)

Well first of all this "kid" was 22 years old. He's a man. So basically his parents have zero say in his life from a legal standpoint. Unless they are willing to call the cops and say he threatened them with violence there is little any parent can do except kick him out of the house.  This "kid" held jobs. Yes poorly but well enough at some point to move out and get his own place at one point. Second, yes this guy SEEMS crazy. But is he? What's so different from his rantings and Jesse Jackson suggesting Lebron James is a slave? There are people spouting wacky ideas all over the place. On TV, in books and the web. Hell we have congressmen suggesting an island will tip over. There were probably a few winners that came and made speeches at his school. 

How many tv shows on cable present completely wacky historical crap as if it has even an ounce of legitimacy? 

There are thousands of people with ideas as wacky as this or worse on campuses all over this country and they never shoot anybody. People seemed scared of him but it was mostly because he was odd, not violent. He was never arrested for assault, or stalking. The death threats from before have never materialized in any police report so far. 

There was nothing any parent could have done here. I'm sure if they threatened to kick him out if he didn't get help he would have just left. I would still have done it as a father. But I'm not sure it would have helped. It might have at least forced the authorities hand if he was busted living on the street.

86 #49 So, why didn't his parents take him to a doctor? This video which got him kicked out of school, was made in September. Don't they think his kid is odd?

#72 One of the bigger horseshit scams in this whole episode is acting like the parents were just some well-intended dimwits and that what their fuckheaded son did took them completely by surprise. You can't watch that video and think they didn't know exactly what a nutter that cocksucker was, with no grounding in reality. I'm sure they're imbeciles also but the STM insists on giving them a pass so fuck them.

From some of the things I've read (daddy who doesn't work and who has anger issues, rumored lots of beer in shopping basket, mommy who works with some environmental job etc) I think his parents are probably plenty dysfunctional.  I think they also knew others thought their son had problems. 

They may have thought others exaggerated their son's problems - denial is a potent force.  Or they may have known full well how crazy their son was.  However, since he was >18 there is very little they can do to 'force' treatment if the person doesn't want it.  I know the frustrations from my extended family when one of their children was (they thought) dangerous.  There were episodes involving police and waving around of knives.  They could NOT get this person committed or treated against their will.  I'm not an apologist for the parents, but they may have tried. Until I know more I won't completely condemn them.  IF they made no effort, well then I'll heap scorn with everyone else. 

87 Loghner says gold. Glenn Beck shills for gold. It's Glenn Beck's fault.

88 83 Is Erg going to come lecture us some more, or did he permanently slink off in shame after he was totally pwn3d last night?

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 15, 2011 04:37 PM (omlt3)

Erg is not capable of shame.

He's probably just out testing his new telephoto lens at local playgrounds.

89 Liberalism is a cancer. Fuck every last one of them.

90 Can you imagine this guy at family functions?

91 Maybe Blow is pulling a Cartman, so to speak. If he confesses first (even just a tiny bit), he'll take the least grief compared to Kenny, Kyle, and Stan who thought they'd all stick together. I'm pretty sure that's what Blow did when he TP'd The Washington Times.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 15, 2011 04:30 PM (swuwV)

Yes: he's trying to get out of the way of the blowback (pun half-intended).

92 And how did the hash maker know I'm a Texan?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 15, 2011 03:58 PM (6QeTX)

I thought you were from Broadlawns on Long Island.

93

Loughner says unconstitutional. Sarah Palin say Obamacare unconstitutional. It's Sarah Palin's fault.

94 Loughner wears thongs. Kelsey Grammer wears thongs. It's Kelsey Grammer's fault.

95 http://preview.tinyurl.com/ct9sxs

This cat is pushing a watermelon out of a lake.

It's Sarah Palin's fault.

96 Loughner wears thongs. Kelsey Grammer wears thongs. It's Kelsey Grammer's fault.

Posted by: Democrat Logic at January 15, 2011 04:47 PM (5vrLJ)

Those pictures are a perfect example.He took these pictures just days before and never retrieved them. Do they show what he was really like or was it to effect what people would think of him afterwords? It's all very Lee Harvey Oswald except Oswald's pictures were taken to show what a revolutionary he was, not that he was crazy.

Maybe this kid just didn't want to go to school. Maybe he wanted to get kicked out because his parent's were forcing him to go.

97 Blow sucks.

98 He took these pictures just days before and never retrieved them.

He took them on film, and took them to be developed.  He's obviously stuck in the 90s.

99 He took them on film, and took them to be developed.  He's obviously stuck in the 90s.

Posted by: nickless at January 15, 2011 05:01 PM (MMC8r)

Seriously, it's clear they were planted purposely. He took those pics and left that film with the specific purpose that the authorities would find them later. Like the VT killer who mailed his stuff off just prior to the shootings. I will grant these are some pretty evil people but how "crazy" are they really? Do delusional people make elaborate plans AND ensure they are publicized correctly?

100

Loghner says gold. Glenn Beck shills for gold. It's Glenn Beck's fault.

Wait for it.

101

I must have missed the gold part.

He thinks his high school is "genocide".  Loughner's first statement was about illegal wars.  The illegal war statement is a lefty through and through.  But yeah, the guy rambles on with nothing but unconnected incomplete thoughts.

If he thinks his high school sucks, he's in for a rude awakening at what awaits him in prison.

 

102

One of the shooting victims has been arrested for death threats against a Tea Party spokesperson at a town hall meeting.   He held up a pisture of the spokesperson and said, "You are dead".

Just on Fox News.

103 Well, Rocks, he's capable in the sense that he can operate a camcorder and walk around blathering nonsense.  He's not sitting in a corner babbling 'googy-googy-goo.'

But he's clearly unable to make sense of the world around him.  He said a guy walking by took his 1st Amendment rights away.  He uses words in senseless combinations.  He is obviously paranoid.

104

 

Did you hear the part where hs say  "the targets on Sarah Palin's old poltical blog have insprired me..."

*pfft*

Actually, his opening statement has more in common with Jane Fonda than anyone else.

 

105 One of the shooting victims has been arrested for death threats against a Tea Party spokesperson at a town hall meeting.   He held up a pisture of the spokesperson and said, "You are dead".

Obviously didn't get the memo.

Can we blame Kos & Krugman?

106 Obviously didn't get the memo.

Can we blame Kos & Krugman?

Posted by: nickless at January 15, 2011 05:21 PM (MMC8r)

Nope, Sarah's fault, don't cha know?

107 I think you're letting them off the hook, Drew.

Blow and the rest know this guy is more Left than Right.  First is Loose Change and Zeitgeist, now we're hearing that he got enraged at the mention of George W. Bush.

We've been inundated with Bush-hatred by the Left.  Whatever wacko anger he had was directed by Leftie sources.  Look, he could talk about all kinds of conspiracies, but which ones could he spout off on that people would take seriously?

Which conspiracies would tend to reinforce his worldview?

What could he say in class or on the internet that would not get him mocked and smacked down?

Bush-hatred,  9-11 was an inside job, etc.

The Left actually did what they accused us of doing.  They created the climate.    I, for one, am not letting them off the hook so easily.  Not after what they've done.  They deserve all the Blow-back they get.

108 We've had totally functional employees at my previous job who said shit like this all the time.  They all have Obama/Biden stickers on their cars.

He is not crazy, he is just a lefty-truther-douchebag.  Sorry libs, he is one of yours.

109

McCain is already caving to the "lets make sure Obama looks as good as possible" bill

Democrat Senator Udall has a bill that will make it mandatory for the D's and the R's to sit togther at Obama's speech.  That way, the R's will be forced to stand up and clap too.  obama and his crap legislation and bullshit look better.

 

110

Democrat Senator Udall has a bill that will make it mandatory for the D's and the R's to sit togther at Obama's speech.  That way, the R's will be forced to stand up and clap too.  obama and his crap legislation and bullshit look better.

 Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 15, 2011 05:26 PM (0fzsA)

The AK mydaddygavemethisseat witch is a co-sponsor of that bill.

111 "Well first of all this "kid" was 22 years old. He's a man. So basically his parents have zero say in his life from a legal standpoint. " Not really. Your kid is always your kid - and even more so when they are ill and need help. He was also living with them and they were giving him money. They could have forced him to see a doc and if that didn't work, call out a psychiatric team to evaluate him. He isn't the only kid with schizophrenia. This happens all the time. However, most parents do something about it.

112 "The Left actually did what they accused us of doing. They created the climate. I, for one, am not letting them off the hook so easily. Not after what they've done. They deserve all the Blow-back they get." SHAMBOOZY! And that is why I want to sort formulating a comprehensive list of all the shit these hyporcrites have done.

113

Drew, yeah, Blow is chastising his butt buddies, but he couldn't help adding a little puff of winds to their sails...

I have written about violent rhetoric before, and IÂ’m convinced that itÂ’s poisonous to our politics, that the preponderance of it comes from the right, and that it has the potential to manifest in massacres like the one in Tucson.

The only reason he wrote that article is because he's afraid of what the polls are saying about their accusations not working with the American people.  I give him no quarter.

114 That way, the R's will be forced to stand up and clap too.  obama and his crap legislation and bullshit look better.

If the Repubs won the House this last election, how exactly is Udall's legislation going to pass?

115 If the Repubs won the House this last election, how exactly is Udall's legislation going to pass?

Posted by: AGENT: ADDITIONAL BLOND at January 15, 2011 05:38 PM (SHKl9)

Uh, spineless Repubs?

116 Well, Rocks, he's capable in the sense that he can operate a camcorder and walk around blathering nonsense.  He's not sitting in a corner babbling 'googy-googy-goo.'

But he's clearly unable to make sense of the world around him.  He said a guy walking by took his 1st Amendment rights away.  He uses words in senseless combinations.  He is obviously paranoid.

Posted by: nickless at January 15, 2011 05:20 PM (MMC8r)

It's seems a little too obvious doesn't it? This guy certainly seems like a psychopath to me. He can make enough sense of the world to buy things like a camera or guns and ammo and use them effectively. But how can we be sure that much of this craziness wasn't just for effect or attention? 

117

It's seems a little too obvious doesn't it? This guy certainly seems like a psychopath to me. He can make enough sense of the world to buy things like a camera or guns and ammo and use them effectively. But how can we be sure that much of this craziness wasn't just for effect or attention? 

Posted by: Rocks at January 15, 2011 05:42 PM (WxagK)

I'm not so sure he's totally off the deep end, either.   He did leave notes in his safe saying he had planned for his assassination.  There's that planning thing to consider.   Can you be that far gone & still plan things & carry them out?  I think he expected to be shot by someone, not tackled. 

Can you be half looney?

118 an explanation why there was so much inappropriate applause at Obama's speech in AZ? Because the Jumbotron applause sign was lit

pretty tacky by the WH and AZ University

119 I just watched the same film, lauraw, and I get the impression of a right-wing delusional paranoic: fear of the ever present loss of liberty, currency debasement anxieties, crushing weight of government on personal freedom of thought/covert mind control, etc.

A rightwing loon, like you.

This motherfucker is yours, lauraw.

120

One of the shooting victims has been arrested for death threats against a Tea Party spokesperson at a town hall meeting.   He held up a pisture of the spokesperson and said, "You are dead".

Yeah but that's the fault of the Tea Party/Sarah Palin for publicly defending themselves because that just continued the tone of vitriole.

121 Not really. Your kid is always your kid - and even more so when they are ill and need help. He was also living with them and they were giving him money.

Who says they didn't try to get him help? He also held a number of jobs and didn't have much of a social life. He could have earned the money.

 They could have forced him to see a doc and if that didn't work, call out a psychiatric team to evaluate him.

How do you force him? They can call whoever they like if he says he won't then what can any parent do? Who is this Team that's at the beck and call of parent's anyway? The only recourse the parent's had was to kick him out or show some evidence he was violent. He did move out at one point and the father convinced him to come back home. What exactly do the parent's say anyway once this team showed up?

Parent: "Well he does nothing but sit around and talk about new currency, wrong dates and unconstitionality all day. He's crazy!"

Medical Professional: "Listen buddy, we can help you. Come with us."

Jared:  " No."

Medical professional: " I feel for you. I really do. But he's an adult. He can refuse medical treatment and he's done nothing that legally warrants us locking him up. Here's our card. Call us if he becomes an obvious threat to himself or others.


He isn't the only kid with schizophrenia. This happens all the time. However, most parents do something about it.

Posted by: moi at January 15, 2011 05:32 PM (Ez4Ql)

Again, this isn't a kid. He's not a teenager. He's not a minor. Legally what do you think these parent's could have convinced any authority to do if he had no violent tendencies?

122 There once was a young lad named Blow.
The Liberal line did he toe.
When the Times hit a rut;
Pulled from out of his butt,
a pen and ink-shaped flaming dildo.

123

I can't tell if he is laughing, crying, or just breathing funny in this video.~ed

Seems to be breathing funny to me.  I thought he was going to have a cardiac arrest walking up those stairs  he was weezing  and struggling to breathe so hard.  It must be the result of all those drugs he smoked every day.  The guy is 22 yrs/old and his aerobic capacity is as bad as a senior citizen.

124 SUCKER-OF: COCK on aisle 122.

125 122 I just watched the same film, lauraw, and I get the impression of a right-wing delusional paranoic: fear of the ever present loss of liberty, currency debasement anxieties, crushing weight of government on personal freedom of thought/covert mind control, etc.

A rightwing loon, like you.

This motherfucker is yours, lauraw.

Yeah you could tell by all of his talk about illegal wars just like the right has been spewing for the last 7 years....Oh wait a minute...

126 I just watched the same film, lauraw, and I get the impression of a right-wing delusional paranoic: fear of the ever present loss of liberty, currency debasement anxieties, crushing weight of government on personal freedom of thought/covert mind control, etc.
Posted by: just another stupid knucklehead like you at January 15, 2011 05:55 PM (eTrT7)

Hopefully you don't have access to a loaded gun and a crowd fuckstick.

127 "Medical professional: " I feel for you. I really do. But he's an adult. He can refuse medical treatment and he's done nothing that legally warrants us locking him up. Here's our card. Call us if he becomes an obvious threat to himself or others.""

Arizona's civil-commitment statutes for the mentally ill are apparently actually a lot broader than that, which makes them much broader than most states and the failure to act re: Loughner ultimately that much more tragic for his victims.  Almost anyone can be involuntarily hospitalized for a 72-hour psych eval/observation period, and additional measures can be taken with further evidence of need for treatment. 

128 I would love to sit with Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Paul Krugman and the like to...

You're a better man than I am. I wouldn't even bother to sit down; my first instinct upon entering a room with those three in it would be to find an object with which to beat each and every one of them over their heads. If there's nothing within eyeshot, then it'll be a shoe in my hand.

129 The fact that the parents did not call the police and have their son "Probated" makes them quite guilty indeed. Each state has slightly different laws regarding this procedure. Basically it requires that someone is a threat to themselves or others. This is a very low threshold to meet. For example, it is common for mentally ill to stay away for days at a time (saying it is impossible for them to sleep). At the tail end of this manic episode, they cook meals on the stove. A few minutes later, they are completely asleep, while the food is slowly burning (if you have family members who are bi-polar stock up on smoke detectors). Call the police. Explain that it is impossible to stay away and babysit/monitor them for days on end and while you were sleeping they almost burned the house down. At this point, they will ask the mentally ill person a few questions, such as, who is the current president? What month is it? etc. Depending on circumstances, the EMS or police will take the person for observation and treatment. Being "Probated" is a legal court proceeding. Usually resulting in an average of 2 weeks to a month of "treatment". If you are going this route, it behooves you to initiate additional proceedings to become "Legal Guardian" of this family member. Once granted you have full authority as to their treatment. I have been through this process many times over the course of 20 years. So, when someone says his family could do nothing, either they are ignorant or lying or both. As to the criminal proceedings for this idiot, being declared "mentally incompetent" is a very high threshold to meet. From what I know so far of this case, it is my opinion, after government psychiatrists examine him he will not meet that standard.

130 For example, it is common for mentally ill to stay awake <<<< sorry for typo in previous post

131 "...being declared "mentally incompetent" is a very high threshold to meet."

It doesn't seem so high when one has dealt with hundreds of incompetent defendants, but then years as a prosecutor in Mental Health Court will do that.  Any criminal defendant is presumptively competent.  To be incompetent to stand trial one must be incapable of even adequately consulting with counsel and assisting in their own defense, lack basic understanding of the roles of the actors in the process and what they do, and/or lack a rational factual understanding of the that process.

Loughner is probably a schizophrenic.  He's also probably a high-functioning schizophrenic, and a psychopath.  Whether he's presently competent may be marginal, but most schizophrenics are restorable to legal competency with the right combination of meds and "competency training."

Keep in mind that competence and the insanity defense are two quite separate issues.  You can have all sorts of crazy delusions and issues and still be "legally sane," i.e., understand right from wrong.  Being a psychopath means you know what you're doing is wrong: you just don't give a fuck.

132 122 I just watched the same film, lauraw, and I get the impression of a right-wing delusional paranoic:

Posted by: just another stupid knucklehead like you at January 15, 2011 05:55 PM (eTrT7)

Thus proving the point we've been making about people like you, erg.

99% chance you drew that conclusion *before* you watched the video, just like every other piece of *evidence* you claim about these events that doesn't seem to exist when everyone else looks there.

Because you're so buried in your lies that you can't even conceive of the truth.

Heck, you probably didn't even watch the video, you certainly didn't need to for your purposes.

133

The only reason he wrote that article is because he's afraid of what the polls are saying about their accusations not working with the American people.  I give him no quarter.

Posted by: Steph at January 15, 2011 05:37 PM (KqBTY)

Plus every liberal columnist is allowed off the reservation from time to time. He'll be back toeing the line soon enough.

134 This motherfucker is yours

Back in your gimp trunk, ergie.

135 Didn't the dems make plenty of use of "unconstitutional" when Bush was president?   Don't think it's an automatically-right-wing phrase.

136 "It doesn't seem so high when one has dealt with hundreds of incompetent defendants, but then years as a prosecutor in Mental Health Court will do that." Like I said, each state has different interpretations as to the mental competence threshold. Add the psychiatrists personal bias to the mix and it can vary greatly indeed. In Michigan, specifically Wayne County, the standards are quite high. I am speaking from personal experience. On a different note, it will be tabloid worthy when the facts are leaked via FOIA or similar channels as to what Sheriff Dumbfuck knew, and when he knew it regarding his deputies contacts with this individual. I predict huge lawsuits coming his way, and he will no doubt want to settle out of court to have the info sealed.

137 "Again, this isn't a kid. He's not a teenager. He's not a minor. Legally what do you think these parent's could have convinced any authority to do if he had no violent tendencies? " Again, he was their kid and living in their home and being financially supported by him. If he didn't want to see a doctor they could have used it to exercise some control over him and coerce him into seeing one. There is no indication that the parents did anything to get their kid to a doctor. You don't wait for someone to have "violent tendencies" to seek treatment. Sheesh!

138 There are so many things the parents could have done. Scenario #1. They could have had an "adult" talk with him. Explain that now he is an adult he should be living on his own. Do this in a non-confrontational manner. Explain that as his parents you will do what you can to set him up in an apartment. Let him help in the selection process, and he has final pick as to his new abode. Then if needed, pay first month, last month, and security deposit, as well as help furnish the odds and ends. Yes, this will be somewhat expensive. Just do it. Junior's behavior WILL be observed by his neighbors in the apartment complex, and if odd, reported to the apartment manager. This step is quite necessary as it is evidence that the police need to force treatment if necessary (which it most probably will be). Chances are, Junior will not last 30 days before he is asked to leave/evicted. At this point the parents should ask the property manager if they will provide a statement which will help Junior get the help he needs. The manager will be so happy to be rid of Junior they will be agreeable to this. Somewhere during all of this the parents should have contacted legal counsel and inquired as to becoming Legal Guardian of Junior. Armed with statements from his former neighbors and landlord present this to Junior. Tell him in no uncertain terms he MUST agree to this (Legal Guardian) as he will no longer be allowed to come home ever again until he signs the papers. Believe me after 30 days in the county mental ward he will sign. This is by no means the end of the nightmare, but it is one method that does work, as it is one I have used quite successfully. At some point Junior will likely live with the parents again. This is or should be temporary as he WILL have another "episode". When Junior "flips out"again, the parents, who by now are Legal Guardians can place Junior in the county hospital for treatment as well as request that upon release he must reside in a Group Home. I hope this info helps someone. NOBODY told me this stuff, I had to learn it the hard way.

139 This is actually a very informative article. "Before Tucson rampage, a powerful law went unused" http://tinyurl.com/4ayb3v4

140

You know, this video doesn't sound much different from the average lefty hyperbolic protest.  Really, how many bogus cries of genocide have we heard from nutty lefties that sound exactly like this bona fide psycho?

How can you tell the difference between a paranoid schizophrenic and a leftist radical?  I'm stumped.