June 14, 2011
— Ace Perry to have a howdy-do with Rudy Giuliani.
They'll probably talk about all the cultural affinities they have in common. That's what I figure.
On the other hand, I should say that while I never previously saw the logic of a fresh Giuliani run, now I sort of do. Giuliani is almost disqualified due to his very soft position on abortion.
However, in a primary, he'd compete with Romney for the establishment/Northeastern Republican type vote. (And not all NE Republican types live in the northeast.)
So he would have a logical niche: Okay, I've got that gay marriage/abortion baggage. But I don't have the RomneyCare baggage.
Now, who wins in that sort of intermural scrum in the moderate division of the primary? Probably Romney, as he's generally been stronger in debates and furthermore has been working hard at this since... well, he never stopped running for President, actually. So he has all sorts of on-the-ground or bank-account advantages Giuliani doesn't and won't.
However, it is possible Giuliani could win the Moderate Playoff, which may be enough to get in.
So yeah, I figure this is what Perry is feeling out Giuliani about. Not sure why Perry really cares, as I can see a case for a Giuliani vs. Romney scrum helping him.
But if Giuliani isn't running, of course Perry will want some high profile endorsements.
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Posted by: Bob Saget was not at his computer when those sext messages were sent to underage girls at June 14, 2011 12:22 PM (F/4zf)
Posted by: Tami at June 14, 2011 12:22 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: mugiwara at June 14, 2011 12:22 PM (W7ffl)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 12:22 PM (NCw5u)
Nathan's?
Hebrew National?
Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 14, 2011 12:24 PM (/U/Mr)
Posted by: maddogg at June 14, 2011 12:24 PM (OlN4e)
Rudy has his drawbacks (a lot), but it is good to remember he's a hell of a speaker when he wants to be. He had a great speech at the 2008 convention, and on a side note did a great job at my law school commencement address.
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 12:25 PM (NCw5u)
Posted by: chazmartel at June 14, 2011 12:26 PM (wlSqE)
Posted by: LizLem at June 14, 2011 12:26 PM (lSuMX)
Posted by: Cheri at June 14, 2011 12:27 PM (oiNtH)
Hebrew National?
Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 14, 2011 04:24 PM (/U/Mr)
The Cadillac of hot dogs.
Posted by: ErikW at June 14, 2011 12:28 PM (koLd7)
Posted by: Xander Crews at June 14, 2011 12:29 PM (B9aDi)
Posted by: chazmartel at June 14, 2011 04:26 PM (wlSqE)
Possibly. Using Rudy as a stalking horse might counter a possible Perry splitting the "not-Romney" vote as was speculated last week.
Smart move. I didn't think the old Aggie had it in him.
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 12:29 PM (NCw5u)
Posted by: Cheri at June 14, 2011 04:27 PM (oiNtH
Eh, I just saw him get beheaded. Anything less is just a flesh wound.
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 12:30 PM (NCw5u)
Rudy has his drawbacks (a lot), but it is good to remember he's a hell of a speaker when he wants to be. He had a great speech at the 2008 convention, and on a side note did a great job at my law school commencement address.
I still find it funny (and depressing) that the three best '08 Convention speeches were by the guys who ran the two worst primary campaigns, and the noob VP nominee.
And I'm still pissed about that "Fight! Fight! .......in the meantime, I'm gonna go take a nap" bullshit that McLame pulled.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 14, 2011 12:30 PM (8rHXV)
Posted by: ParisParamusInBrooklyn at June 14, 2011 12:30 PM (QN76w)
Posted by: SlaveDog at June 14, 2011 12:33 PM (9fDAi)
I remember him sounding dumb and soundbite-y, and undermining his (imaginary) fiscal-con cred at every opportunity. His economic understanding appears to consist of "Mexicans=money."
But he has an I'm winning this debate-shaped head.
Posted by: oblig. at June 14, 2011 12:34 PM (xvZW9)
I'd guess he's meeting with Agent 9-11 to lay some groundwork in the northeast.
Posted by: Damiano at June 14, 2011 12:35 PM (3nrx7)
Bean had the wounds treated back inside the bar, where he is a regular, a staffer told the paper. "He came in with a cut on his arm and a bruise on his eyebrow," said the bar employee. "We saw to his injuries with the first aid kit. He seemed okay and wanted to have another drink."
Posted by: Cheri at June 14, 2011 04:27 PM
Better than taking his chances with the NHS.
Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 12:36 PM (elBGR)
Demint called it: Everything changes in August when Congress hammers out a deal for the budget and debt limit.
Everything, she changes.
Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at June 14, 2011 12:36 PM (sqkOB)
That made me throw up in my mouth a little.
Surely Perry wouldn't squander the momentum he seems to be building on a second fiddle position to a guy who went all in on Florida?
Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 14, 2011 12:37 PM (5d6vv)
Nah. Such a move by Perry would scream "beta male". I don't see Perry in that role.
Posted by: pep at June 14, 2011 12:37 PM (6TB1Z)
Guiliani did a lot for New York, especially sending the Squeegee Brigade to lockup. But harassing the hooker's was out of bounds. Ask Eliot Spitzer.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at June 14, 2011 12:37 PM (cwFVA)
If Perry could get Ryan's nod of approval, I think Perry would have a good chance at the nomination.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 14, 2011 12:37 PM (qaU+h)
Guiliani is a shitty candidate, but he's got ties with big money people in the right places.
Posted by: Damiano at June 14, 2011 12:38 PM (3nrx7)
Play for the base and the teaparty.
If not, it's T'Paw with maybe Perry as the VP.
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 12:39 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 14, 2011 12:40 PM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 12:40 PM (NCw5u)
Also his backroom deal with Bill Clinton and Byrd of WV to provide standing for the Supreme Court in striking down the line-item veto was a killer.
There was a reason he waited until FL in the last election.
Posted by: Vic at June 14, 2011 12:40 PM (M9Ie6)
However, in a primary, he'd compete with Romney for the establishment/Northeastern Republican type vote. (And not all NE Republican types live in the northeast.)
Huntsman's going to be a natural choice for that group and we know he's getting in next week.
I think Guiliani's window has closed.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 14, 2011 12:41 PM (JxMoP)
Perry doesn't look very energetic with Cavuto. I'm still concerned about hairdos and stage presence.
Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 12:41 PM (elBGR)
Posted by: Rocks at June 14, 2011 12:42 PM (Q1lie)
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 12:42 PM (GTbGH)
I see Perry picking either Bachman or (dare I say for fear of horny Ewok?) Rubio.
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 04:40 PM
What ever happened to Allen West?
Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 12:42 PM (elBGR)
What's more likely to cause a 3rd party run?
a) a Perry/Bachmann ticket
b) a Romney/ Pawlenty ticket?
A Perry Bachman ticket might open the door for a moderate D to run as an I to help Obama.
A Romney/Pawlenty ticket might invite a Tea Party ticket, which would also help Obama.
The last thing we want is a 3rd party candidacy.
Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at June 14, 2011 12:43 PM (sqkOB)
Wow, it will be quite spectacular when Boehner blinks on Friday.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 14, 2011 12:44 PM (FkKjr)
Giuliani tagged behind Bachmann or Perry would help both tremendously.
Not as much as say, Giuliani-Rubio, or more formidable, Guiliani-Martinez (if you are trying to neuter Obama in the SW), but it would help. Rudy is a team player, so whatever team he does align with, he will go to bat for.
Posted by: CAC at June 14, 2011 12:44 PM (Ip1Oh)
They tell him to go out and inspect the DC Metro tracks for future high-speed rail lines. In rush hour.
Posted by: pep at June 14, 2011 12:44 PM (6TB1Z)
"Boehner gives Obama ultimatum on Libya."
finally!
More of this and Obama will not be able to run as Not A.
Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at June 14, 2011 12:44 PM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 14, 2011 04:44 PM (FkKjr)
Thats what I was thinking. I wonder is he will squall......
Posted by: maddogg at June 14, 2011 12:46 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 12:46 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 12:48 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Vic at June 14, 2011 12:48 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 04:46 PM (nj1bB)
Why would Rubio take it? To be Dan Quayle 2.0?
Posted by: Rocks at June 14, 2011 12:48 PM (Q1lie)
Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 12:49 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at June 14, 2011 04:44 PM (sqkOB)
FIFY
Forgive me if I don't get excited about this. We saw this dance at the 30 day mark too. What, is Boehner going to cancel his golf outing with Obama on Sunday if he doesn't comply?
Posted by: Damiano at June 14, 2011 12:49 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 14, 2011 12:50 PM (k0TKJ)
What, is Boehner going to cancel his golf outing with Obama on Sunday if he doesn't comply?
It has the advantage of fucking with something that JugEars actually cares about.......
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 14, 2011 12:50 PM (8rHXV)
Rubio =/= Quayle.
He's a young man and can afford to age a little.
He's like a fine wine. A delicious, dark....umm.
What are you looking at RINO?
Posted by: Ben at June 14, 2011 12:51 PM (wuv1c)
BTW, I really thing Sheriff Joe will be off the ticket next time. I don't know how they will engineer it, but I think they will.
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 04:42 PM
No doubt there are a few Dems dumb enough to run with Obama. I'm still wondering about the Clintons. This Weiner episode has dredged up the BJ associations once again, and they're always trying to overwrite that line in future history books with a more respectable legacy.
Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 12:51 PM (elBGR)
yep, you almost feel like he calls him and says "sorry mr. president but I have to send the letter to make them think we are giving you are hard time, see you on sunday, hope it doesn't rain"
Posted by: curious at June 14, 2011 12:51 PM (k1rwm)
Congress, “Look, we’ll get right on that debt/deficit thing… eh… tomorrow. Ok? Well maybe Thursday. Ok, ok! Maybe not this year, but it will be the first thing we tackle next year. That make you happy? Look, I gotta go do the people's work. Nice talking to you though! Sucker.”
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 14, 2011 12:52 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Speaker of the House at June 14, 2011 12:52 PM (Xm1aB)
The Vice President will likely be Rubio, or at the very least be someone from Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Florida.
Posted by: Ben at June 14, 2011 12:52 PM (wuv1c)
OT: From Drudge:
President Barack Obama said yesterday that you would want Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D.-Fla.) “on your side” because “she’s got a cute smile,” and you would want her “in your foxhole” because “not only is she charming” but she has a “dazzling smile,” and is “tough as nails.”
Would you morons want anything to do with her foxhole?
Posted by: Cheri at June 14, 2011 12:52 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 04:49 PM (nj1bB)
Bush 41 was the first sitting VP to be elected Pres since like 1836 and that's only because he ran against Dukakis and had tons of experience prior to being VP.
Unless you feel like retiring or are sure your running mate is going to lose you don't take the VP slot if you intend to run for President in the next 20 years.
Posted by: Rocks at June 14, 2011 12:53 PM (Q1lie)
Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 04:48 PM (nj1bB)
Rubio is the iPhone of VP candidates.
Need to appeal to the Tea Party? He's got an app for that.
Need to appeal to Hispanics? He's got an app for that.
Need to appeal to younger voters? He's got an app for that?
Need to appeal to fiscal cons, hawks and social cons? Yeah, he's got an app for those and more.
I think the only nominee who doesn't pick Rubio is Perry. He probably picks a Pawlenty or someone Midwestern to lock in Ohio and keep WI (and to a degree PA) in play.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 14, 2011 12:53 PM (YqXne)
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 14, 2011 12:53 PM (k0TKJ)
Hmmm. Joe's replacement?
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 12:53 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Ben at June 14, 2011 12:54 PM (wuv1c)
Plus, it seems that VPs of losing tickets don't do well when they try to run for the big job later on. Edwards, Lieberman, Quayle . . .
I just feel like Bachmann provides the benefits of Rubio electorally while also being someone who would want the job, win or lose. That's why she's running - she doesn't think she can win, but if she can leverage this into a VP slot or a more advanced national profile, it's a hit.
Rubio's waiting for 2016
Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 12:54 PM (NdE8F)
VP is a good spot for Rubio. He gets to adavnce while arguably saying he has enough experience because there's someone else as President.
Its good for the canidate too who (despite the fact I hate identity politics) can monopolize off the fact that it was the republicans who put the first hispanic on a national ticket.
That and Perry has (from what I can gather) a simial view on immigration as Rubio, who also could neutralize it as an issue. I read somewhere that if McCain had kept the gains Bush made wtih the hispanic community, he'd be hearing "Hail to the Chief" at Wendys right now...
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 12:55 PM (NCw5u)
why is the buildabear meeting important?
Posted by: curious at June 14, 2011 12:56 PM (k1rwm)
The last thing we want is a 3rd party candidacy.
Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at June 14, 2011 04:43 PM
Call me idealistic, but I think Bachmann would smack that down like a bad nanny.
Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 12:56 PM (elBGR)
Look, if Rubio is running as VP and the Republicans lose in 2012, does anyone really think that disqualifies him in 2016?
Look at Palin, one of the biggest reasons she is even considered is because she was the VP candidate in 2008.
If McCain hadn't picked her she would still be some unheard of governor in Alaska in her second term.
Rubio being picked as VP would get him national attention and name recognition, even if the Republicans don't win in 2012.
Posted by: Ben at June 14, 2011 01:00 PM (wuv1c)
The Vice President will likely be Rubio, or at the very least be someone from Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Florida.
Posted by: Ben at June 14, 2011 04:52 PM (wuv1c)
I hear that Ken Blackwell is looking for a job.
Posted by: ErikW at June 14, 2011 01:00 PM (koLd7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at June 14, 2011 01:00 PM (i6RpT)
President Barack Obama said yesterday that you would want Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D.-Fla.) “on your side” because “she’s got a cute smile,” and you would want her “in your foxhole” because “not only is she charming” but she has a “dazzling smile,” and is “tough as nails.”
Would you morons want anything to do with her foxhole?
Posted by: Cheri at June 14, 2011 04:52 PM (oiNtH)
The funniest part of that is its vagueness.
You want her on your side because, of.....well.....she's cute?!?
That's a really polite way to say she brings nothing to the table and he's looking for her replacement. It seems very similar to the dreaded "vote of confidence" from a team owner to his embattled head coach.
Posted by: © Sponge at June 14, 2011 01:00 PM (UK9cE)
I think the only way Rubio does take the VP slot is if it looks like Obama will win. It puts him head of the pack for 2016.
Posted by: Rocks at June 14, 2011 01:00 PM (Q1lie)
Bush, despite half the country crawling over broken glass to vote against him like nobody since Carter, made gains in every single area and had perhaps the most impressive election results of the modern era (post Reagan).
40-something percent of Hispanics, 12% of blacks, more young people than in 2000, WAY more conservatives, more independents.
If McCain had achieved equivalent numbers in any of those categories (besides indies/Reagan Dems, which he did okay with), we'd be dealing with the most irritating Presidential offspring since Ron Jr. and Patti Davis.
Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 01:01 PM (NdE8F)
i think a lot of this VP picking will have to do with Obamas numbers in the coming months.
The eventual VP nominee will have the benefit of sitting back and looking around a few more months.
If O's numbers keep falling faster than prom dresses in May, Biden stays because no one else wants it. Then too people like Rubio will have a harder time turning it down.
If O's numbers rise like a Weiner before a picture shoot, then the opposite is true.
I don't think VPs can pull states or reigons, but they can create a cause for a demographic group to take another look. Of course, they can not like what they see. Sarah did worse with women than with men...
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 01:01 PM (NCw5u)
Posted by: observer at June 14, 2011 01:02 PM (9tU7P)
93
Debbie Was-a-Man Schultz is not at all "cute."
Your assessment forced me to take a second look. You are correct. I hearby sheath my tonsilometer.
Posted by: maddogg at June 14, 2011 01:03 PM (OlN4e)
Too bad Giuliani doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
Posted by: The Dueceman at June 14, 2011 01:03 PM (HwE/1)
CNN plan was to keep it unpleasant, off topic, and incoherent. That way no strong clips for people to watch and gasp realize they agree with GOP on something. Also, a crappy debate does not purge the field of weak horses prolonging the chaos and infighting, disillusioning even Republicans.
Do you thin that moderator and format and questions would have been chosen for a Hillary vs Obama debate? Could even the most leftarded troll say that with a straight face?
FTR- I BOYCOT ALL FUTURE GOP DEBATES ON CNN OR MSNBC.
Posted by: shiggz at June 14, 2011 01:03 PM (mLAWK)
Hmmm. Joe's replacement?
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 04:53 PM
Hmmm. Hillary minus cankles, cackles, Bill, 2008 primaries, Weiner baggage, etc.
Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 01:03 PM (elBGR)
Too bad Giuliani doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
Posted by: The Dueceman at June 14, 2011 05:03 PM (HwE/1)
God has his own underwear line and so does Jordan....
Coincidence?
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 01:04 PM (NCw5u)
Just do the live-blog. It makes it endurable.
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 01:05 PM (GTbGH)
I would actually prefer Guiliani over Romney.
Romney's conservatism is completely questionable, not just his social conservatism. Rudy, on the other hand, has proven to be a pretty solid conservative on everything but social issues. And, Guiliani is a fighter and has a back-bone that I think Mitt is sorely lacking.
If we have to take a northeast type squish, I think Guiliani is the far better choice.
Posted by: monkeytoe at June 14, 2011 01:05 PM (sOx93)
109 I'd rather have a pro-abortion pro-gay marriage Republican than a stealth Socialist in special God-approved underwear.
Yeah, and his pro gun control stance is an added bonus. Tanx but no tanx.
Posted by: maddogg at June 14, 2011 01:05 PM (OlN4e)
Bilderberg meetings are global capitalist big guy meetings. Perhaps since Perry is the only one creating jobs they wanted to hear from him. I'm sure the fucking libtard communist lefty stalinists want to deride the group because their meetings are not open to the fucking libtard communist lefty stalinist press. The meetings are overtly capitalist so I'm sure the NY fucking libtard communist lefty stalinists are in an uproar. They don't have a problem with Obama and his lefty stalinist fucking libtard communist meetings.
And Beck was just making fun of the fucking libtard communist lefty stalinists who are howling that Perry might have gone to a Bilderberg meeting.
BTW, curious, this is the type of thing that you throw out there on multiple threads that is supposed to look bad (but isn't) that makes people think you're a problem.
Posted by: dagny at June 14, 2011 01:05 PM (K4aIT)
Ok, so besides that what has he done?
Because from here it just sounds like Obama circa 2007.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 14, 2011 01:05 PM (qaU+h)
and her voice!
Debbie sounds like she's talking underwater.
When I hear her speak I imagine air bubbles coming out of her big mouth.
What a perfect spokesman for socialism.
Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at June 14, 2011 01:06 PM (sqkOB)
If Rudy wants to go to DC, he could wait for a cabinet appointment or run against Kirsten Shumerpuppet for the Senate.
I'd, of course, prefer the latter.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 14, 2011 01:07 PM (T0NGe)
I don't see Rudy as enough of a player for his endorsement to carry much weight. As a Texan, Perry's rowing upstream on the East Coast, so I guess every little bit helps.
Now if he gets Rubio on board...
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 14, 2011 01:07 PM (srV3y)
Yeah, and his pro gun control stance is an added bonus. Tanx but no tanx.
Posted by: maddogg at June 14, 2011 05:05 PM (OlN4e)
We're comparing him to Mitt though. Mitt's record on gun control is just as bad. He signed a permanent assault rifle ban.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 14, 2011 01:08 PM (FkKjr)
The GOP could pwn them (as they should based on similar values) for 16 years and prolly thereafter
Posted by: observer at June 14, 2011 05:02 PM
Quibble, but I hear stroll-in-from-Tijuana Hispanics are different from one-dry-foot Hispanics. In fact, I hear they hate each other.
Rick Sanchez can't seem to get a job at an L.A. television station.
Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 01:08 PM (elBGR)
And on a related note, Richard Cohen says don't worry, be happy.
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 14, 2011 01:08 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: twiceblessedmom at June 14, 2011 01:08 PM (HjxoE)
Ok, so besides that what has he done?
Because from here it just sounds like Obama circa 2007.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 14, 2011 05:05 PM (qaU+h)
Yeah. But its for the VP spot. Unlike the President, the VP isn't supposed to do much of anything. The President however, has the important task of making birdies and fundraising. Thats why more experience is needed.
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 01:08 PM (NCw5u)
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 01:09 PM (GTbGH)
We're comparing him to Mitt though. Mitt's record on gun control is just as bad. He signed a permanent assault rifle ban.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 14, 2011 05:08 PM (FkKjr)
You may have noted that I'm a mite soft on Mitt's campaign.
Posted by: maddogg at June 14, 2011 01:09 PM (OlN4e)
Except that when we say The Hispanic Vote, what we really mean is The Mexican Vote. Anyone who thinks you appeal to Mexicans with a Cuban is just out of the loop- or a Coconut.
Anyway, forget Hispanics. Apparently the only way for Repubics to win that demographic is by supporting Amnesty( yeah, it's not Amnesty-right) and that's a nogo. The way for the Repubican Party to win the future is to shore up Teh White Vote.
Sound racist? It is- but you went there first.
Posted by: sartana at June 14, 2011 01:09 PM (/IW23)
BTW, curious, this is the type of thing that you throw out there on multiple threads that is supposed to look bad (but isn't) that makes people think you're a problem.
Posted by: dagny at June 14, 2011 05:05 PM (K4aIT)
I think it might be more the Trig truther crap. Nothing like jumping head first into the leftist shitpile to expose you for who/what you are.
Posted by: Steph at June 14, 2011 01:10 PM (AkdC5)
@53: "What ever happened to Allen West?"
We tried a black guy with limited experience in '08. Hasn't worked out so well for us. Maybe we should wait and see a little longer with this guy, huh?
Posted by: American Voters at June 14, 2011 01:10 PM (xy9wk)
Exactly. Obama is counting on the Latino/Puerto Rican vote to win the election. Rubio just might make them vote R (along with their stance on right to life and gay marriage).
BO was in Puerto Rico today and he:
Obama last week became the first presidential candidate to name a Latina as political director of a national campaign.
Posted by: momma at June 14, 2011 01:10 PM (nWikJ)
Because from here it just sounds like Obama circa 2007.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 14, 2011 05:05 PM (qaU+h)
Speaker of the FL state house, which was the end of an 8-year stint there. But, yeah, this short stint in the US Senate seems a little weak for a VP run. Depends on who's at the top of the ticket.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 14, 2011 01:10 PM (T0NGe)
why is the buildabear meeting important?
Posted by: curious at June 14, 2011 04:56 PM (k1rwm)
they are the Illuminati. C2C is gonna be all over it tonight 
It's just a giant group of mover and shakers in financial and politic matters
Posted by: The Dude at June 14, 2011 01:12 PM (Ig1Wo)
Which I don't get. Why should Puerto Ricans and Cubans be all that hot for amnesty?
Posted by: AmishDude at June 14, 2011 01:13 PM (T0NGe)
We are talking about a 10 year governor at the top here. It would be a good play for Rubio to be the Dauphin.
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 01:13 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Ken at June 14, 2011 01:13 PM (fFh95)
I think it might be more the Trig truther crap. Nothing like jumping head first into the leftist shitpile to expose you for who/what you are.
Posted by: Steph at June 14, 2011 05:10 PM (AkdC5)
I didn't even know about the Trig truther crap. She's always putting stuff up that is supposed to make the right look bad and then asking, "What is this? I'm just interested..." But you're right about jumping into the leftist shitpiles and exposing yourself. You were more succinct.
Posted by: dagny at June 14, 2011 01:14 PM (K4aIT)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 14, 2011 01:14 PM (srV3y)
Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 04:46 PM (nj1bB)
Ace, think bigger. The SW has turned blue thanks to hispanics- Rubio doesn't neutralize that though - he's Cuban. Different ball game.
However, Martinez is a popular governor in New Mexico who, more importantalso popular amongst her resident hispanic population. She delivers New Mexico, neutralizes enough (4-5%) of the hispanic vote in Nevada and Colorado, and the Republicans can eat away into Obama's EVs by 20.
Florida is a given at this point, Ace. It barely, barely went to Obama by 2% in 2008. Nobody- not even Obama's most ardent believers- will tell you Obama is as popular as he was three years ago. Slice off just 1.1% of the electorate and Republicans regain IN,NC,NE-2, and FL for 235 electoral votes.
Rubio wouldn't hurt, but Martinez would pay off better electorally.
Or the mother of all impossible to happen but devastating scenarios- Rubio/Martinez.
Posted by: CAC at June 14, 2011 01:14 PM (Ip1Oh)
Posted by: sartana at June 14, 2011 05:09 PM (/IW23)
Yeah, funny how pandering to the Hispanic, or Black, vote is NOT Racist... yet any mention of a White Vote and your suddenly part of the KKK.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 14, 2011 01:14 PM (NtXW4)
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 05:09 PM (GTbGH)
No. I think Perry is a nonstarter in NJ for cultural reasons. Similar to the Sarah Palin thing, the NJ/NY types like to think that they're better than the hicks. Opposing Perry will be a way for people to display their class identification.
It's a new bigotry which is in reality a very old bigotry.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 14, 2011 01:14 PM (T0NGe)
damnit- "who, more importantly, is popular amongst hispanics in her state"
wtf happened there...
Posted by: CAC at June 14, 2011 01:15 PM (Ip1Oh)
Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 01:15 PM (NdE8F)
It's just a giant group of mover and shakers in financial and politic matters
Exactly. But they are identified as "capitalists" (the horror) so the left tries to link them with Nazis (old, tired, and stupid).
Posted by: dagny at June 14, 2011 01:16 PM (K4aIT)
Posted by: Cheri at June 14, 2011 04:27 PM
Better than taking his chances with the NHS.
Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 04:36 PM (elBGR)
85% of patients get in within four months. He can wait outside in the ambulance until then.
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 14, 2011 01:16 PM (Hx5uv)
Interesting...again, it depends who's at the top. I don't know Martinez at all, but if she plays well nationally, that would be an excellent choice for Perry and several of the other candidates as well.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 14, 2011 01:17 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Curio Cabinet of NY at June 14, 2011 01:17 PM (LXPet)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 14, 2011 01:18 PM (srV3y)
Speaker of the FL state house, which was the end of an 8-year stint there. But, yeah, this short stint in the US Senate seems a little weak for a VP run. Depends on who's at the top of the ticket. Posted by: AmishDude
Seems a little light but not awkwardly so. I just haven't seen much in the way of his position on legislation or proposals. I'm not saying that he hasn't done anything, just his policies aren't readily identifiable.
I'm working on the assumption this is someone's smelly sock. Cause otherwise, the stupid....it burns. Posted by: Mallamutt,
Has he sponsored or co-sponsored any piece of legislation that you're aware of without looking it up? What's his position on Obama Libya adventure?Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 14, 2011 01:19 PM (qaU+h)
@107: "Especially the Hispanics. The GOP could pwn them (as they should based on similar values) for 16 years and prolly thereafter"
A love for socialismo? Well, yeah, the GOP is pretty cool with it, too.
Hispanics may be religious, but that's about it as far as "similar values" go.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 14, 2011 01:19 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: AmishDude at June 14, 2011 01:19 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Curio Cabinet of NY at June 14, 2011 05:17 PM (LXPet)
She knew how to spell it a couple of threads ago. It didn't get a reaction so she retried it with cutesy.
Posted by: dagny at June 14, 2011 01:19 PM (K4aIT)
@144 Posted by: CAC at June 14, 2011 05:14 PM (Ip1Oh)
Interesting thinking. I like where you're going with it. So you think it might be too southwest of a ticket though?
Also have to evaluate her performance in New Mexico. How has she been doing? I really don't know enough about her.
Rubio (although Cuban) I know and like. Not like Ace though. That shit will get you arrested.
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 01:20 PM (NCw5u)
Similar to the Sarah Palin thing, the NJ/NY types like to think that they're better than the hicks. Opposing Perry will be a way for people to display their class identification.
Those same NJ people you mentioned were a few percentage points away from reelecting Bush in '04.
Perry, with the right endorsements, would be semi-competitive in NJ in a way St. Sarah would not.
Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 01:20 PM (NdE8F)
I didn't even know about the Trig truther crap. She's always putting stuff up that is supposed to make the right look bad and then asking, "What is this? I'm just interested..." But you're right about jumping into the leftist shitpiles and exposing yourself. You were more succinct.
Posted by: dagny at June 14, 2011 05:14 PM (K4aIT)
Hell, she posted that shit a couple days ago, and then, oh so innocently, said everyone was talking about it, and Sarah should come out and speak to it, because it wasn't going away until she did. Paraphrasing, of course, but that proved to me she isn't the innocent little naive bullshit she tries to portray.
Plus, look at all the different styles of writing that show up in her posts. Either she has many different personalities or some other shit is going on. I've had it with her.
Posted by: Steph at June 14, 2011 01:21 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 01:22 PM (NdE8F)
Letter
Harry Reid told them both to shove it, essentially.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 14, 2011 01:22 PM (ITYRW)
Posted by: dagny at June 14, 2011 01:22 PM (K4aIT)
and does anyone here believe that Debbie Was-a-Man Schultz is the close friend of Giffords as she claims?
I think it's a bunch of crap and Debbie is using Giffords as a political prop.
Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at June 14, 2011 01:22 PM (sqkOB)
Posted by: MJ at June 14, 2011 01:23 PM (BKOsZ)
That's what Moby's do, right?
Posted by: Sgt. Fury at June 14, 2011 05:22 PM (LXPet)
Yep. But a couple of days ago some asswipe "Mike" was defending her and suggesting I was a conspiracy theorist.
Posted by: dagny at June 14, 2011 01:23 PM (K4aIT)
In any case picking the VP candidate is the responsibility of the primary winner, not the primary itself. They normally pick a candidate to round out the ticket. That is why Pawlenty was not picked by McCain last time. At that time his record was just about as liberal as McCain's.
Posted by: Vic at June 14, 2011 01:23 PM (M9Ie6)
#161
Martinez has been perceived, even by her critics, of "cleaning up" the mess left by Richardson. She only won about 40-42% of hispanics in her state- but remember NM is one of those hardcore lefty ones now, so that sort of a showing is all she needed to cruise to a 10pt win in 2010. She carries over her support to states like Nevada, Colorado, even states where hispanic populations are large enough to flip a close race, like Virginia or Ohio, and Republicans win the Bush states AND more importantly prevent the Democrats from "winning the future" with the growing hispanic minority.
Perry-Martinez being too SW? I don't get the perception of Texas being a SW state as much these days. Texas has become its own region in public perceptions.
Posted by: CAC at June 14, 2011 01:25 PM (Ip1Oh)
Completely OT but I think he will skate. Not one day in the klink, probably acquitted.
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 01:26 PM (GTbGH)
I think it's a bunch of crap and Debbie is using Giffords as a political prop.
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Weekend at Kathy's?
Posted by: MJ (hates himself for typing that) at June 14, 2011 01:26 PM (BKOsZ)
Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at June 14, 2011 05:22 PM (sqkOB)
Speaking of props......
Posted by: John Edwards Dead Kid at June 14, 2011 01:28 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 01:28 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Trans Texas Corridor at June 14, 2011 01:28 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 14, 2011 01:28 PM (lbo6/)
Posted by: Downsized Upscale at June 14, 2011 05:25 PM (IhHdM)
I think neither. She/he/it knows exactly want sheit is doing, but couldn't help finally outing hisheritself. Finally felt accepted to a point, and pushed it too damn far.
Posted by: Steph at June 14, 2011 01:28 PM (AkdC5)
Perry: remember I backed you in '08?
Gul: I do.
Perry: Let's you and I get in. You suck votes from Romney, weakening him in the NE and I'll pull down the TPers and Palin endorsement. I'll walk to the WH and you've got the AG spot locked up.
Guil: Let's roll.
Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at June 14, 2011 01:29 PM (MPtFW)
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Too soon or just plain stupid? And by the way all of my jokes pretty much suck. If you're looking for funny, skim to the EOJ section.
Posted by: MJ at June 14, 2011 01:29 PM (BKOsZ)
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Posted by: Marlee Matlin at June 14, 2011 01:30 PM (7I6Yf)
@176
I have a ski house in northern NM I haven't been to in awhile. One thing I always noticed about NM is the poverty and the lack of repair on any of the public infrastructure. Richardson did a good job screwing that state over, but most of the people I talked to there seemed to be of the "Yes, please more" variety. A lot of positive reactions to Richardson.
I hope she does turn the state around, there are a bunch of people who could use it there.
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 01:30 PM (NCw5u)
Remember what they did to Hillary for mentioning her appeal to blue collar Whites in Pennsylvania?
Why should Puerto Ricans and Cubans be all that hot for amnesty?- AmishDude
I wouldn't imagine that either of those groups are so big on Amnesty. I think the voting blocks behind Amnesty would be Mexican/Central American, liberal White drones and big business RINOS. And that's it. It's a relatively small portion of the electorate, and of course the Ruling Class, that's pushing this on America.
Putting a qualified Hispanic on the ticket puts our money where our mouths are.
If the Founders had imagined that such logic would be used in selecting our leaders, I believe they wouldn't have bothered.
Posted by: sartana at June 14, 2011 01:31 PM (/IW23)
Really - what is out there that you think a new law would actually approve? Posted by: Mallamutt
I'm not sure of your question. "Improve" Perhaps?
Improvements: Interstate Insurance market law, claw back power from the five worst Executive Departments, audit the Federal Reserve, kill Freddie Mac / Fannie May, kill the AMT, shrink the tax code, turn the EPA in to an advisory board for States, ... Jeeze, man I don't know where to stop. There's a lot of things that can be cut and changed.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 14, 2011 01:31 PM (qaU+h)
Posted by: jeannebodine at June 14, 2011 01:31 PM (nvlAW)
Now that's a word I use ten times a day but I can't imagine saying it on national tv. He has some serious wimmin issues.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 14, 2011 01:31 PM (pLTLS)
173 - Good point re: keeping R's where we need them - an angle I hadn't considered. We've got enough unreliables to make our nominal majority misleading in the House and we're way short in the Senate. I'm re-thinking on this.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 14, 2011 01:31 PM (srV3y)
Posted by: MJ at June 14, 2011 01:33 PM (BKOsZ)
LOL!
Posted by: sartana at June 14, 2011 01:34 PM (/IW23)
Demographically, Rudy would be the obvious choice.
Posted by: crosspatch at June 14, 2011 01:34 PM (ZbLJZ)
FTR- I BOYCOT ALL FUTURE GOP DEBATES ON CNN OR MSNBC.
For what its worth, on the CNN website - the majority of comments reviewing last night's debate are ripping CNN/John King for the vapid and irritating format and King's maddening grunting.
Posted by: Cheri at June 14, 2011 01:34 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: stuiec at June 14, 2011 01:35 PM (U4JmQ)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 14, 2011 01:35 PM (NtTkA)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 14, 2011 05:31 PM (pLTLS)
Cuz he hasn't been with one in over a decade.
All work and no 'play' makes Chrissy a pissy boy.....
Posted by: © Sponge at June 14, 2011 01:36 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: polynikes - undecided at June 14, 2011 01:36 PM (xECRb)
Posted by: stuiec at June 14, 2011 01:37 PM (U4JmQ)
Debbie Wa....fuckit, I'm sick of typing her stupid name.
That woman is the House's female version of Anthony Weiner. She is annoying, foolish, bitter, and a loud-mouth.
Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at June 14, 2011 01:37 PM (sqkOB)
All work and no 'play' makes Chrissy a pissy boy.....
Posted by: © Sponge at June 14, 2011 05:36 PM (UK9cE)
No, he's more into dudes. Esp. black dudes. Thrill. Leg. Some assembly required.
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 01:39 PM (NCw5u)
Debbie Wa....fuckit, I'm sick of typing her stupid name.
That woman is the House's female version of Anthony Weiner. She is annoying, foolish, bitter, and a loud-mouth.
Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at June 14, 2011 05:37 PM (sqkOB)
And she makes even Ferengi dentists quake with fear.
Posted by: Pipboy 3000 at June 14, 2011 01:39 PM (c45xH)
Posted by: stuiec at June 14, 2011 01:39 PM (U4JmQ)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 14, 2011 01:39 PM (lbo6/)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 14, 2011 05:31 PM (pLTLS)
Cuz he hasn't been with one in over a decade.
All work and no 'play' makes Chrissy a pissy boy.....
Posted by: © Sponge at June 14, 2011 05:36 PM (UK9cE)
Chrissy is actually married to a local newsbroad (DC). She actually comes across quite sane when I've seen her.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 14, 2011 01:40 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 14, 2011 01:40 PM (srV3y)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 14, 2011 01:40 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: buzzion at June 14, 2011 01:40 PM (oVQFe)
I'm tired of those motherfuckers in that motherfucking Obama adminstration.
A federal prosecutor has launched a secret grand jury to investigate possible CIA war crimes at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, Time magazine reported.
Time reported on Monday that one Durham-issued subpoena said the federal grand jury “is conducting an investigation of possible violations of federal criminal laws involving War Crimes (18 USC/2441), Torture (18 USC 243OA) and related federal offenses.”
You know this "secret" grand jury investigation was leaked by the WH to pander to his base. This shit has been settled. I can't hate those fuckers more.
Posted by: Steph at June 14, 2011 01:42 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ex pat at June 14, 2011 01:42 PM (rsOPT)
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 14, 2011 01:42 PM (y/+eD)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 14, 2011 05:40 PM (srV3y)
Alein and Sedition acts anybody? Disagree with the government?
Hope you like gruel! Bwaa- haaa- haaa
Posted by: John Adams who both gave and took away constitution at June 14, 2011 01:43 PM (NCw5u)
Hmm. Presidents from Texas
A) Eisenhower's VP from California
B) Johnson's VP from Minnesota
C) GHWB's VP from Indiana
D) GWB's VP from Nebraska and Wyoming
I might have to suggest, no.
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 01:44 PM (GTbGH)
When did this happen?
Posted by: momma at June 14, 2011 05:41 PM (nWikJ)
Saturday maybe sunday
Posted by: dagny at June 14, 2011 01:44 PM (K4aIT)
Posted by: PaleRider at June 14, 2011 01:45 PM (dkExz)
When did this happen?
Posted by: momma at June 14, 2011 05:41 PM (nWikJ)
Wait? Gay as in two dudes or gay as in two chicks? Cause I can see that happening.
Posted by: John Adams who gave us porn at June 14, 2011 01:45 PM (NCw5u)
Posted by: cats.understand.really.inane.obviously.useless.syllogisms at June 14, 2011 01:46 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 14, 2011 01:46 PM (srV3y)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 14, 2011 01:46 PM (yQWNf)
The CIA is just the folks Barry should piss off, oh yes.
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 01:47 PM (GTbGH)
Not many will argue that fact, but Romney is NOT the best we have to offer. And we'll all support the R elected by the people to be our nominee, but he's the Republican John Kerry without falsified military service to his credit.
Posted by: © Sponge at June 14, 2011 01:47 PM (UK9cE)
That woman is the House's female version of Anthony Weiner. She is annoying, foolish, bitter, and a loud-mouth.
I'd also say shameless and disgusting. She likes to use her battle with cancer as a means of guilt-tripping other members into refusing to cut federal funding. Something so serious should not be used in that way.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 14, 2011 01:47 PM (ITYRW)
Speaking of Chris Matthews he just said something about Bachmann being set apart from the other broads in the GOP. posted by laceyunderalls at June 14, 2011 05:31
God he's such a maroon.
Posted by: Cheri at June 14, 2011 01:48 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 05:47 PM (GTbGH)
Aren't they still going after them for the waterboarding crap, even after the bullet riddled Osuckme?
Posted by: Steph at June 14, 2011 01:48 PM (AkdC5)
She appears to have fought to a draw, at best.
And I denounce myself.
Posted by: toby928™ at June 14, 2011 01:49 PM (GTbGH)
That woman is the House's female version of Anthony Weiner. She is annoying, foolish, bitter, and a loud-mouth.
Sooooooo..... you're saying she probably has some dick pics floating around out there...
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 01:49 PM (NCw5u)
Posted by: Pooter Hound at June 14, 2011 01:50 PM (le5qc)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 14, 2011 05:49 PM (NCw5u)
Look at her adams apple. I'd bet her dick is spectacular.
Posted by: Bawney Fwank at June 14, 2011 01:52 PM (yQWNf)
Yeah, you were one of the first proponents of the corrupt American System too.
Posted by: Vic at June 14, 2011 01:54 PM (M9Ie6)
I may have made that last part up.
Posted by: Pooter Hound at June 14, 2011 01:55 PM (le5qc)
I may have made that last part up.
Posted by: Pooter Hound at June 14, 2011 02:00 PM (le5qc)
[ ] A set of double D cup breasts are visible.
[ ] A DP is in progress. (don't ask)
It needs to be calibrated to handle DVDA.
Posted by: The Dueceman at June 14, 2011 02:01 PM (HwE/1)
When I first started reading this site a couple years ago, Ace would link to The Atlantic almost daily.
Posted by: sartana at June 14, 2011 02:08 PM (/IW23)
I think the Founders never had envisioned the Tower of Babel we've become- where ethnicity would trump ideology in politics.
I think Jefferson and Madison would be okey-dokey with ticket-rounding, had it been available in their day.
Shit, if Jefferson were around today, he'd be sending his dick in Tweets.
Posted by: sartana at June 14, 2011 02:14 PM (/IW23)
I personally like having a wide variety of candidates on our side. Any salesman knows that the first thing you need to do is to get the customer to look at the product. If there were a gay latino transvestite looking to run under the R ticket, I would welcome him. Crazy people vote too and once we have them at our event we can pitch them on the benefits of our other offerings.
To beat Obama and his Chicago politics and foriegn money, we need everyone who is unhappy with him to support our choice. Not just the puritans.
Posted by: TSgt Ciz at June 14, 2011 02:14 PM (nDjYE)
I probably wouldn't vote for that, but I'd pay ten bucks to watch.
Posted by: sartana at June 14, 2011 02:17 PM (/IW23)
Rubio as VP and game over. $50 says Obama doesn't even carry Illinois (I would have said $20 but that doesn't even buy a tank of gas).
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