March 28, 2011

Media Continues Determined Embargo on Death Threats in Wisconsin
— Ace

Vicious. If exposing and denouncing alleged "uncivil remarks" by Tea Partiers is intended to foster safety by establishing political violence as wholly impermissible, then what is the intent of the exact opposite tactic?

It seems to me that if exposing and denouncing violence-tinged remarks is intended to forestall the possibility of political violence, then whitewashing and excusing actual death threats is intended to increase the possibility of political violence. So long as the right people are targeted.

The media is of course a nonresponsive institution; they are fond of saying "X Corporation declined comment on our allegations," and let the reader draw from that silence the intended conclusion Therefore they confess them by silence, and yet the media itself will not respond to detailed questions on its systematic and deliberate left-wing propaganda.

There is no way to compel them to answer questions. However, there is a way to spur them to do so, and it frustrates me that it's not done.

Every week, when McConnell or Boehner or whoever is being interviewed on a Sunday talk show, they should have a plan in agreement to ask their questioners about any unaddressed bias in reporting, preferably something entirely off-topic (so there can be no charge made that they are attemtping to dodge the question on whatever they're being asked about).

I know what the answer will be, because it's the answer the media always gives-- "We covered that fairly and spent resources on that" and et cetera. It's a lie. They haven't. When Boehner goes on to ask George Stephanopolous why ABCNews hasn't covered the death threats in Wisconsin, he should come armed with detailed numbers of how many minutes of reportage were spent on blaming the Tea Party and Republicans for Gabbie Giffords versus how many were spent on death threats in Wisconsin. And, like a reporter, Boehner should then force Stephanopolous to commit to a yes or no answer -- is he disputing these figures or not?

He must be made to commit to an answer. That's what reporters do -- they will badger you into taking some position, one way or another, so that you can be proven wrong or dishonest. Allowing someone to vaguely say "I don't know" or whatever is letting them escape unharmed.

And every major Republican should do this on every show. And yes, it should be coordinated. There is no need to actually derail the whole program; ten minutes should do it. But there is a need to not merely make a statement, but to ask whatever media jagoff they're talking to if they accept or dispute the figures regarding proportionality of coverage. If they dispute them, challenge them to rebut them the next week -- and insist on coming back to do so. (And if they won't let you -- then your next Republican on will take up the argument where it left off.)

Force them to accept these figures as accurate and then, at some point, force them to offer an explanation as to why they believe this is proper.

This has to be both confrontational and personal, personal, in the sense that Stephanopolous must not be allowed to hide behind the entire ABCNews organization and say "Well I don't know what a big organization is doing."

Of course he does, and in any event, Stephanopolous is a high profile spokesman of that organization, and apologist for it; the media does not let corporate PR shill off the hook for tough questions just because the shill doesn't represent everyone in the corporation.

There is no way to force the media to sit down and answer questions about its reportage. But when you have them on camera, you can make them squirm.

And ultimately it's about questions -- and getting answers that can later be hanged around their neck.

Posted by: Ace at 03:07 PM | Comments (48)
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1 I'm longing for closure.

Posted by: The Italics Tag at March 28, 2011 03:09 PM (oJQh4)

2
Slanting to the right isn't gonna get me to give a shit.

Posted by: Honey Badger at March 28, 2011 03:10 PM (9daa6)

3 And every major Republican should do this on every show. And yes, it should be coordinated.

Unfortunately, the Republicans can't organize a BBQ most times.  And information sharing?  Forget about it! 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 28, 2011 03:11 PM (NB4zL)

4 And ultimately it's about questions -- and getting answers that can later be hanged around their neck.

See, the Right wing, again with the death threats.

Posted by: See at March 28, 2011 03:11 PM (yFU0t)

5 The MBM won't admit the truth about union thuggery and death threats because that might allow people to know the truth about the unions, and we can't have that.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 28, 2011 03:12 PM (UO6+e)

6 How do we know they haven't done this already? You can't trust those Sunday morning talk shows that are not live. They will edit out all the shit that makes a Republican look good and even trade answers in some cases.

O/T:

Has anyone else had problems with FF ver 4.0 not refreshing the pages correctly?

Posted by: Vic at March 28, 2011 03:13 PM (M9Ie6)

7 /i is > ace

Posted by: Mullah Mopar at March 28, 2011 03:14 PM (F8Ipk)

8 Aren't these shows taped? What makes you think their editing policies will have any more integrity than their editorial decisions?

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 28, 2011 03:14 PM (4ZxEW)

9 Good points about potential editing post-taping.  This will be a PITA and a drain on resources, but would it be possible for the Republicans to bring their own camera onto set? 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 28, 2011 03:16 PM (NB4zL)

10 If only we had an RNC chair that used to be the chair of the Wisconsin Republican Party...uh, nevermind.

Posted by: Mullah Mopar at March 28, 2011 03:16 PM (F8Ipk)

11 This has to be both confrontational and personal, personal, in the sense that Stephanopolous must not be allowed to hide behind the entire ABCNews organization and say "Well I don't know what a big organization is doing."





The media lets Odogma hide behind this statement, as he did in the gun-running/Mexico fiasco.

Posted by: momma at March 28, 2011 03:16 PM (penCf)

12 3 Unfortunately, the Republicans can't organize a BBQ most times.  And information sharing?  Forget about it! 

The Rs have too many politicians and strategists who have their own agendas. I'll give the Dems this-- they are still mostly marching in lock-step to advance their socialist ideas, even while experiencing horrible infighting. Meanwhile, the Rs are trying to form a conherent message but can't because they disagree about tactics.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 28, 2011 03:17 PM (UO6+e)

13 The media are one of the last refuges of unionization in the private sector.  Don't forget that.

I'm more than willing to see to it that the MSM is figuratively destroyed.  What will it take? A conservative Media Matters that's willing to do the gruntwork to compile this kind of data for the conservative side to take to market?

Posted by: nickless at March 28, 2011 03:17 PM (MMC8r)

14 Has anyone else had problems with FF ver 4.0 not refreshing the pages correctly?

Yeah, once in a while. I've had to close the tab and re-open to fix it.

Posted by: Retread at March 28, 2011 03:18 PM (okCHU)

15 Let's cut to the chase: Liberals are violent pieces of shit. They project hatred, bigotry, violent intentions onto everyone else... but they revel in it. Sometimes secretly, other times their inner heinous selves come to the fore. *spit*

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 28, 2011 03:19 PM (kUaEF)

16 Wait! We have a crisis in the blogosphere, bat man! >>>"Gosh, what a bunch of intellectuals. Never seen a film with Liz Taylor? What about Cleopatra? National Velvet? Cat on a Hot Tin Roof? So sad. Maybe if you get your "heads" out of your IPods and your fat a$$es out of the pizza joint, you might come up with something bordering on brains!" SO SAD.

Posted by: Sundae Soothsayer with a cherry on top at March 28, 2011 03:19 PM (gt3o0)

17 Good stuff.
Ace for chairman of the RNC.

Posted by: real joe at March 28, 2011 03:20 PM (w7Lv+)

18 9 Good points about potential editing post-taping. This will be a PITA and a drain on resources, but would it be possible for the Republicans to bring their own camera onto set? Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 28, 2011 07:16 PM (NB4zL) Is it too much to ask the Republican Party to make a damned public stand against this fascistic assault on America?

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 28, 2011 03:20 PM (kUaEF)

19 This will be a PITA and a drain on resources, but would it be possible for the Republicans to bring their own camera onto set?

I watched a video made a long time ago by a utility that was being interviewed by 60 minutes about a nuke plant they had under construction. It was absolutely amazing to see how 20-20 had edited the answers to make the managers there look like incompetent crooks.

They video showed what 60 minutes showed the public and what was actually said before editing. The intent by the utility was for the local PBS stations to air the tape to show what a bunch of lying assholes they had on CBS at the time. CBS threatened all the local PBS stations with legal action if they showed it and almost all of them backed away from the film.

After I watched that video I never watched 60 min again.

Posted by: Vic at March 28, 2011 03:21 PM (M9Ie6)

20 This is why the Dems win. Their coordinated message is "Repiblicans Suck". Our idea of a coordinated message asks for a forum, and counts on media fairness and impartiality. We want to discuss issues and solutions. All ideas are considered if they are aimed at the goal of problem-solving. This is necessarily complex and complicated. Hard to coordinate.

It is not complex or complicated to get a smelly hippy, gay bartender, hairy feminist, union thug, entitled/oppressed/victimized minority or idiotic student to agree with the Dem message, which is "Republicans Suck".

Posted by: Mullah Mopar at March 28, 2011 03:22 PM (F8Ipk)

21 Just calmly waitin' for the inevitable.

They assume docile sheeple are going to remain docile sheeple.  They don't understand what's going to happen when they personalize their threats on a large scale, when they remove the luxury of tolerance and forebearance from the masses they disdain.

To be fair, though, they have no basis for comparison.

Posted by: apotheosis at March 28, 2011 03:22 PM (xWk3U)

22 I can spell. Sometimes I don't though.

Posted by: Mullah Mopar at March 28, 2011 03:23 PM (F8Ipk)

23

6 How do we know they haven't done this already? You can't trust those Sunday morning talk shows that are not live. They will edit out all the shit that makes a Republican look good and even trade answers in some cases.

That's true. Even the transcripts probably aren't entirely accurate, though they may trust in the idea that people won't read them and leave those bits in the segments. FNC will actually sometimes post uncut interviews, though they often require you to sign-in to view. Learned this from an uncut Greta interview w/ Paul Ryan. It's interesting to compare the uncut version to the final, which usually makes you wonder why they cut what they did. I certainly did with that particular interview.  

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 28, 2011 03:25 PM (UO6+e)

24 Cue John McCain going on Sunday shows to admonish the GOP & to tell everyone in Wisconsin to be "bipartizhan (my friendzh)" in 5...4...3...

Posted by: Color Me Surprised at March 28, 2011 03:27 PM (rTwsE)

25

@12: "Meanwhile, the Rs are trying to form a conherent message but can't because they disagree about tactics. "

They have reached a working consensus on "cower" and "surrender," though.  So there's that.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 28, 2011 03:33 PM (xy9wk)

26 COULD. NOT. AGREE. MORE.

R's have NO strategy to combat MFM...none

Posted by: NfromNC at March 28, 2011 03:34 PM (kR57Q)

27

Ace, if the Republicans did this, the response would be thus:

"Meet the Press" will not be seen this week, so that we can bring you an encore performance of "Two and A Half Man."

The media aren't stupid.  Evil, yes.  Stupid, no.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 28, 2011 03:34 PM (szsK6)

28 The Republicans actually doing something smart is about as likely as Rosie O'Donnell making sense.

Posted by: Iblis at March 28, 2011 03:34 PM (9221z)

29 Liberals are violent pieces of shit.
F*ing cowards.

There FIFY.

They use violence, only if they are untouchable. They talk threats right up until a credible threat exists back at them, then they shut up. They act through surrogates rather than in person. They physically antagonize without end and when one gets so much as pushed he goes all FIFA and bites it straight on the face so he can parade around with a little blood for an adoring MBM. Yes their threats are vicious, and as usual they project on us who they really are. They make threats hoping to give some crazy ideas to carry out their little violent fantasies. They are little tyrants whom have no moral check on the limits of their depravity when it comes to making their Utopia. I'm starting to consider seriously disliking them.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 28, 2011 03:37 PM (0q2P7)

30 This could actually be an acknowledgment by the MBM that conservative news will be found on Fox or on the internet.

Since this story is all over the internet the MBM feels no need to use up ink or air time to alert conservatives to what is happening. Since Liberals could care less if conservatives' rights are violated or their lives threatened(especially since it's THEM or their fellow travelers committing these violations), it's not 'newsworthy'.

This has become the de facto dividing line and the Republicans better wake up to this fact or the tea party will leave them behind.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 28, 2011 03:39 PM (6kXgv)

31 Is it too much to ask the Republican Party to make a damned public stand against this fascistic assault on America?

Who is to say they are not complicit?

Posted by: Inspector Lecter at March 28, 2011 03:51 PM (Nr10T)

32 After I watched that video I never watched 60 min again.

Posted by: Vic at March 28, 2011 07:21 PM (M9Ie6)

They're almost all like that.

The MBM isn't really unionized, it's actually their own Mafia. Only watch or read non-Mafia media.

They're liars, cheats, scoundrels, and scum. They control the narrative that most people see so they can get away with almost anything.

And Republicans who shrug when it happens to *them* instead of fighting back are partly to blame. I admit I don't know how to some the problem for once and for all, but *not* exposing the corruption *when you see it* has got to stop.

One of the biggest problems is collusion between media outlets, they should be in competition with each other and go after each other when they're caught lying like this.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 28, 2011 03:54 PM (bxiXv)

33 I think most reporters support violence and death threats against conservatives. I don't know how else you can explain their behavior.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 28, 2011 03:55 PM (bxiXv)

34 The modern Obama left, the modern Democratic party, is all about plausibly deniable intimidation. They want violence. They want conservatives and Republicans to suffer, to be harmed, to be shot, to be killed. Above all they want the Right to be afraid and to slink away from the battle. They want union thugs to engage in a little "direct action". They want masked college kids to engage in a little "anarchy". They want you to be afraid. They want you to hide. They want you to worry who might come after you or your family if you speak up. Will the teachers retaliate against your kids? Will college admissions retaliate against your kids? Will the cops retaliate against you? Will the courts? Will a government bureaucrat retaliate against you? Will an IRS agent? Will a Medicare bureaucrat retaliate against your aging mother? Or you? The more sectors of society the left and the public unions control ... the more effective this strategy of plausibly deniable intimidation is. Liberal fascism. It's no accident their symbol is a clenched fist.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at March 28, 2011 03:57 PM (QcFbt)

35 "this fascistic assault on America"

Just a half baked idea, why not a video with "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" as the soundtrack and all the scenes from a revolution in Wisconsin as imagery?

Posted by: spice at March 28, 2011 04:16 PM (8PqRA)

36 Expecting Republicans to appear with counter talking points is just a great idea, except that they're Republicans.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 28, 2011 04:41 PM (DCpHZ)

37 Great idea.  But don't let up on them.  Keep the heat up, generate a buzz, make this a blogging talking point.  Don't let up till they do it.

Posted by: JoeofPA at March 28, 2011 04:46 PM (G2zzD)

38 Ace's post is spot on. I don't think there can be any doubt but that the Left from the President, his party, their media, all the way down to the rank-and-file - and their employment of this double standard in regard to violence and violent rhetoric - is intended to send a clear message to all Americans of all ideological and political persuasions...

Americans who seek to reaffirm and re-establish constitutional principles and conservative government will be demonized and every effort will be made to subdue and browbeat them into silence. Obvious lies for which there is no evidence will be employed, even regardless of the production of contrary evidence. Every effort will be made to associate conservatism with violence, regardless of lack of any evidence whatsoever. We WILL label you violent.

On the other hand, Americans who seek to destroy American prosperity, power, influence, and credibility in  order to replace our constitution and way of life with Leftist statism will not be held accountable for any acts of violence or violent rhetoric, regardless of incontrovertible evidence....

There can be only one intention for this double standard. The Leftist "street" is being sent a clear and unmistakable signal that the rule of law does not apply, and that the highest levels of government and its propaganda arm has got their back when TSHTF.


Posted by: IronDioPriest at March 28, 2011 04:55 PM (R5UWl)

39

Great idea. What's your second favorite fantasy?

Posted by: kansas at March 28, 2011 05:04 PM (nNgbi)

40 Only becuase it involves those corupt unions especialy the infamous and sinister SEIU and not the tea parties as these wrteched liberal journalists had hoped

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at March 28, 2011 08:44 PM (vA9ld)

41 It's the same media that pushes this Pon Raul on us.  Bunch of commies!

Posted by: Case at March 28, 2011 09:10 PM (0K+Kw)

42 Vic, FF 4.0 doesn't work well on my little netbook. the screen doesn't want to stay maximized and the title bar doesn't change to reflect the current tab. I use the title bar text a lot so it bugs me. I finally gave up and went back to 3.x.x.x

Posted by: ExExZonie at March 28, 2011 09:34 PM (DRR4t)

43 The media is an "unlawful combatant" in violation of international humanitarian law.

Send them all to Gitmo.

Posted by: Scraping the Couric off my shoes at March 29, 2011 04:57 AM (F/4zf)

44

Exactly,

We need to confront George Stuffincockinass and others like him at every opportunity.

 

Posted by: Scomo at March 29, 2011 06:15 AM (WIDBI)

45 Lets not forget that the Giffords case had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with anything anyone said or did, other than the shooter himself.

Giffords wasn't shot because of ANYTHING we said.  To suggest that she was is a bald-faced lie.

So this isn't merely a case of the Marxist Socialist Media doing selective reporting, of employing double standards.  It is a clear example of them telling lies of commission and lies of omission simultaneously, proving that they have no standards at all to begin with.


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