1 First!

2 Eh, who cares?

And hey, if Perry implodes, there's still always Pawlenty, workin' that McCain '08 primary strategy (from dead in the water to least-worst choice)!

3 Oh crap, another Ace-pulled-this-so-my-comment-goes-forth-unto-the-ether post.

4 Wait, wait, wait... Perry declaring "war" on the ivory tower is supposed to make me resist voting for him?  Somebody in the media needs to up their game.

5

On the execution issue, is it the governors job to review the case before execution?

I don't really know the process. I thought there was a trial, conviction, sentencing, appeals process and then execution.

Where does the governor fit in other than authorizing(or not pardoning) the person who is executed?

6

K. Bailey Hutchison is an establishment whore.

Cornyn too.

7 Proponents of the death penalty do not seem to comprehend that they are precisely one dead innocent man away from an end to executions.

How so? Justice is not perfect, and CANNOT be. And why is the correlary not as accurate? How many murders, rapists, and the like have to be set free on technicalities before it is an indictment on the leniency of the current system?

I've always thought the traditional notion of "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" was a fair one, but for most crimes* we are far into the realm of  ANY doubt being sufficient....

*tax crimes, hate crimes, etc excluded.

8

I think the state should execute one innocent person a year, sort of like in the Shirley Jackson short story "The Lottery".  Keep the proles on their toes, know what I mean?

 

 

 

 

I'm kidding!  Only the political class and punditocracy should be eligible.

9 Multiple former Hutchison advisers recalled asking a focus group about the charge that Perry may have presided over the execution of an innocent man — Cameron Todd Willingham — and got this response from a primary voter: “It takes balls to execute an innocent man.”

It moved.

10 Soon they will examine every inch of him

every word, every image, every rumor, every hint allegation smear..........

11 Progressive moguls pay Obama to keep corporate jets!

12

Perry issued a 2007 executive order mandating the human papillomavirus vaccine for sixth-grade girls.

How does this bother anyone but the Paulbots?

13 Perry won't play in other states because he's from Texas you dummies.  You know not like Ron Paul who all my New York liberal friends just love.  But that guys that will really get the most appeal nationally is Giuliani and Donald Trump!

14 He spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on a rental mansion while the governorÂ’s residence underwent repairs...it required when an arsonist set it on fire.

Guess who else was in town that night?

15 Proponents of the death penalty do not seem to comprehend that they are precisely one dead innocent man away from an end to executions.

Ace, didn't you have an entire thread where we argued about your premise?  You should link that in so we don't have to reargue out points.

16 Someone put a butt plug (or something less familiar to him) in Shep Smith's mouth

soon. please.  Who is he schtupping at Fox?  Or who's schtupping him?

There must be some reasonable explanation for this Turd being there

17 The error of failing to act to save a (probably not) innocent man from execution is remarkably different from the error of pardoning a killer who promptly kills again.

18 Market belly flops again.  May be dead.  Could be just nerves twitching.

19 Most of the damning stuff is in the category of 'known'...hells, we've tossed it around here at some length prior to this point.

This is always the test of a serious candidate, potential or otherwise.  Let's see what they've got--and how he deals with it.

20 Having only skimmed the matter, the case bothers me as some Texas executions do -- not enough people on the execution review board are taking their duty to halt improper executions seriously. The mandate they have assumed seems to be expedited executions, not insuring no innocent man is put to death. And the Downside Is???

21 How does this bother anyone but the Paulbots?

You haven't been reading the comments here, huh?

22 $10000 for a degree? What a rip off! A Dean where I work has a $3600 MBA. sheesh

23 The error of failing to act to save a (probably not) innocent man from execution is remarkably different from the error of pardoning a killer who promptly kills again.

I resemble that remark.

24 13 Perry won't play in other states because he's from Texas you dummies. You know not like Ron Paul who all my New York liberal friends just love. But that guys that will really get the most appeal nationally is Giuliani and Donald Trump! Giuliani and Donald Trump will support Perry. The Republicans in California are behind Perry. Just wait until you see what Perry rolls out. Obama & his cronies will be crapping their thongs.

25 It's really pretty funny hearing these smears because they're just so pathetic.

Rick Perry wanted to vaccinate girls against cancer! News at 11!

Let's contrast that against the fact that Texas has been pretty much the only thing keeping our economy afloat since '08.

Spin all you want, MSM, it's not going to stick.

26 12 Perry issued a 2007 executive order mandating the human papillomavirus vaccine for sixth-grade girls. How does this bother anyone but the Paulbots? Posted by: dagny at August 04, 2011 03:24 PM (5NVOF) EXACTLY. What, Daddy's Little Girl is immediately going to start dry humping the boy next to her because she was given a shot that she as likely as not doesn't even know what it's for?

27 Need a commo check please. (using new address)

28

Perry issued a 2007 executive order

Those shots were easy to 'opt out' of, or so I'm told.

29 Battlespace prep. These guys never sleep. As Jonah Goldberg said: To Hell with you people. I think maybe Mark Steyn's latest thoughts that we don't have until the 2012 election are spot on.

30 So when does Perry appear on Ru-Paul's Drag-U?

31 Having said something nice about Perry, sacred honor compels me to point out that he does not pay his bills.

32 I must be missing the part where helping girls not get cancer and helping kids get a degree without going into a mountain of debt are bad things.

33 Perry has not even begun the vetting process. Let's see how that goes before we anoint him head of the Establishment (RINO Club) machine.

34 28 Perry issued a 2007 executive order Those shots were easy to 'opt out' of, or so I'm told. Posted by: SantaRosaStan, tiant detector at August 04, 2011 03:29 PM (UqKQV) Yeah, but were they easy easy??

35 DJI -440

36 Am I alone in thinking that our betters are fundamentally misjudging the mood of the country?  If you are going to make a case against a Republican, you better come up with something better than his death penalty history or his tiffs with higher ed administrators.  The country is not going to get the vapors over those issues in this economy.

37 If Texas were to succeed I'd move there. Otherwise I'm not voting for another Damned Texan.

38 Test. Comments disappearing?

39 Let's see how that goes before we anoint him head of the Establishment (RINO Club) machine. Cleansed of ideology, he must be. There is no "try," there is only "negotiate."

40 Does this president make my portfolio look less fat?

41 So Perry is good because the media is against him?

I don't think so.

42 Politico? Those were the folks that did such a great job vetting Junior Senator Obama, right? RIGHT??

43 OT:  Woof the Dow just fell another 50 in about two minutes.  -436 now.

44 Yeah, but were they easy easy??

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 03:31 PM (kUaEF)

Are we talking about shots, or Lindsey Lohan?

45

"You tell the rest of the curs I'm coming. And my Immaculate Presidential Hair. And Hell's coming with me boys, Hell is coming with me!!!!"

46 So Perry is good because the media is against him?

Yes, that's exactly what we're saying.

Intentionally dense is no way to go through life, son.

47 OT - Tito the builder just endorsed by "FreedomWorks" in Virgina!  Listen to the crowd from his speech in DC.

http://tinyurl.com/4ywrp7l

A glimpse of the future that the left is going to F'ing Hate!  South Americans have been fighting pure Marxism for most of a century.  They got no post soviet "break" either like we thought we took.

48 32 I must be missing the part where helping girls not get cancer and helping kids get a degree without going into a mountain of debt are bad things.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 04, 2011 03:30 PM (tqwMN)

The answer is just make them owe you $10k and you give them a sheepskin. They get to work paying YOUR social security 4 years earlier.easy peasy...lemon squeezy!

49 Commo check, over.

50
Cheez n fuckin crackers

Did McConnell make another shitty deal with Reid over the FAA?
Please don't tell me they agreed to a so-called 'clean' bill.

51 So Perry is good because the media is against him?


No, he's good because he's good. Texas is humming along largely thanks to his efforts. Is he perfect? No, but he is the best candidate we have.

52 This is all they got .... might as well go with President-Elect Perry.

How many death-penalty opponents vote Republican?
He could move into a tent on the lawn for the duration of the campaign to kill the rental house issue, if it ever gained any traction.
I agree, his treatment of higher education will cost him all of the professional class votes he would have otherwise received, all three.
How exactly is a pro-abortion left going to attack him on the inoculation thing?
Sex abuse in prison - the duece you say.
He cut the budget too much, well that will cost him some RINO votes.  F--- 'em.

53 This is just the warm-up. They'll be criticizing the length and firmness of Perry's stiffies if he runs. But Bambi's grades? No no, there must be a zone of privacy!

54

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

Texas has created 265,000 jobs in the last two years and has a balanced budget.

Thank you and good night.

55

The execution thing is the most damning, but again, without proof of innocence in the man's behalf, a jury of his peers, who heard all the evidence, convicted him and sentenced him to death.

Nowhere was this man proven innocent and Perry given that proof. The governor isn't a super 13th juror sitting around to give thier opinon after the fact.

Weak.

56 the Tea Party blew up the Hindenburg and kidnapped the Lindbergh baby

57 Did McConnell make another shitty deal with Reid over the FAA?
Please don't tell me they agreed to a so-called 'clean' bill.

The fate of the Republic depends on Murtha's empty-ass airport and Jay Rockefeller's personal airstrip in Morgantown.

Terrorist.

58 I once jaywalked while armed.

59 Commo check, over. I read you five by five. Soon to be reduced to three or less, due to market instability.

60 Look at the cost of college. Then ask a pissed off parent paying that outrageous ransom who they blame.

One guess; it ain't Rick Perry and his war on ivory towers.

In fact, the next crisis to hit will be in education and education financing. Perry is probably out front on this.

61 But even the greatest hits reel is bad enough:

Hmm. Let me make sure I understand...

A Presidential Party nominee who refused, during his time as a Senate Senator, to acknowledge by law the rights of human beings born alive after horrifically botched abortions gets zero mention from the press. But we have a Governor, not even in the Presidential race yet,  that signed an executive order (which provided an an opt-out for parents) requiring a certain type of child vaccine. We're to be more outraged by the latter rather than the former? Okay got it.

62 The WaPo did a story on Allen today. Since he is running again he must be destroyed...again. Fuck the Washington Post.

63 Go ask that coyote what happens when you mess with my awesomeness.

64 More recently, Perry has proposed that the state’s top colleges come up with a four-year degree that costs no more than $10,000 — a goal that skeptics say cannot be achieved without sacrificing academic quality and prestige. Gee, state schools have "prestige?" Who knew? Shouldn't liberals like the a-holes of Politico APPLAUD efforts to provide kids with lower tuition??

65 The Governor of Texas doesn't even have the power to grant a pardon. If I recall correctly, all he can do is grant a one time 30 day delay. I fail to see how Perry is responsible for an innocent man being executed.

66 Hold on, this patch is going to be a little rough...

67 57 the Tea Party blew up the Hindenburg and kidnapped the Lindbergh baby

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, mobile ( but not Air Cav ) at August 04, 2011 03:36 PM (UqKQV)

 

We also had Lincoln & Kennedy killed, framed Ted Kennedy, started the black plaque and killed the dinosaurs.

68

I must be missing the part where helping girls not get cancer and helping kids get a degree without going into a mountain of debt are bad things.

----------

Worst things, best intentions, yada, yada.

Even the progressives have good intentions when trying to mandate one thing or another to individuals. I mean isn't this Obama's go-to schtick for O-care? His forcing people to buy insurance actually helps all of us in the long run? Just saying...

And I like Perry and will probably vote for him.

69 I'm thinking Sarah introduces Perry in Iowa with a strong endorsement ... Mittens cries himself to sleep.

70 President Zero forcing through legislation gutting Medicare to "reform" health care: Courage!

Governor Perry convening a panel to suggest modest reforms to make state universities more efficient: Slash and Burn!!!1!!111!!1!

71 The black plaque was almost as deadly as the black plague, but not quite.  We started them both.

72 If there were only some people of the right wily enough to sue these people for unfunded campaign contributions, which is what these hit pieces are, right?

73 @62: "A Presidential Party nominee who refused, during his time as a Senate Senator, to acknowledge by law the rights of human beings born alive after horrifically botched abortions gets zero mention from the press. " I just don't want to punish girls with babies! Cancer, I'm down with!

74 Best WaPo article of the summer!

75 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

I, too, inherited an economy from George W. Bush.

Texas has created 265,000 jobs in the last two years and has a balanced budget.

Thank you and good night. Posted by: Rick Perry's Stump Speech

---
Minor edit.

76 I bet Perry doesn't put a seal on a chair that says Office of President Elect anywhere on it.

I'd honestly vote for a crab infested pubic hair over the current wrecking ball in the White House, so Perry should bring it.  His state is pretty much one of the few, the proud that doesn't suck ass right now.  I'd say there's something to that.

77

Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 03:36 PM (AZGON)

Thanks.

78
'gripped by tea party fever'

it's a sickness!

79 Eh, i'm in Texas and i vaguely remember the Williamson case being discussed on local blogs quite a bit and the "innocent" crowd only had the after trial evidence about arson while the "guilty" crowd had lots of circumstantial (if that's the right word) evidence about Williamson's mindset.

My thought at the time was the guilty crowd was more convincing and the innocent crowd were just grasping for something to use against Perry since most seemed more interested in bitching about some panel ruling in the case that they claimed Perry was behind, or something, i can't remember exactly, but it boiled down to a conspiracy by Perry (of course) to frame an innocent man so he could look tough for the hicks. In other words, same old bullshit.

80 There are so many great side-by-side comparisons of Perry and Obama, I can hardly wait for Perry to become the nominee.

Reverend Wright vs. Perry's Pastor
Perry's job creation vs Obama's
Perry's friends vs Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn

Can we start the campaign today? It's going to be like a carnival.

81 I got sent to the principal's office in 3rd grade for planting a booger under my desk top.

82 How many death-penalty opponents vote Republican?

Far as I know, just me.

83 Rick Perry's experience as the lead singer of Journey makes him ideally suited for the Whie House.

84 "...Otherwise I'm not voting for another Damned Texan."  Seems to be about the strongest anti-Perry aspect to date.  Wasn't there a poll awhile back that said GWB could beat Obama "if the election was held today"?  I suspect the people still suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome weren't going to vote for Gen. Eric Republican anyway.

85 We make Steve Guttenberg a star.

86 I thought libtards liked HPV vaccines for girls?

Oh, I get it: manufacturing a wedge issue to convince social conservatives that 0bama is the cool moderate.

Good luck with that.

87 68 57 the Tea Party blew up the Hindenburg and kidnapped the Lindbergh baby Didn't they find a teacup in Ted's and Chris's Waitress??

88 Dang, fix that spelling...

89 I am a Texan (by the grace of G-d, I might add) and when I still lived there, I was an ambivalent supporter of Gov. Perry.  Ambivalent because he really seemed to be to be pretty laissez faire in his approach to governing, but he had good folks around him.  Supporter because he pissed the left off.

I will be an enthusiastic support if Gov. Perry gets in.

90 Not defending Perry on the Vaccine bit - BUT making the vaccinations mandatory meant that the Insurance companies had to pay for them.

I wouldn't have done it, but I at least understand why Perry did it.

Perry's not a perfect candidate, but he is (so far) the best of the bunch.

Most important thing is to get rid of Obama next year.

91 The state university system in Texas gets a huge chunk of its funding from oil revenues.  Oil is up, so they're Rolling in Dough

Nobody is 'attacking' them;  the colleges and Us are getting a lotta money

92 Ugh. Ed Doughboy Morrissey is still telling us how silly tea partiers were for objecting to the debt deal. How what happens on Wall Street has nothing to do with this crash. IT'S ALL JOINED, IDIOT. Fools like Ed sold the deal on the premise that it would calm markets; markets would go apeshit if we didn't do a deal. Theory shattered.

93 We created the common cold, AIDS, herpes and cancer.

94 They say Perry let an innocent man die? Fuck 'em, probably wasn't innocent. I need a fuckin' job.

95 Worse yet,we made PAUL REISER a star.

96 83 How many death-penalty opponents vote Republican?


I'm reluctantly, and conditionally, against the death penalty.  However, it's pretty much dead last on my priority list, so it never makes a difference in terms of my vote.

97 >>>On the execution issue, is it the governors job to review the case before execution? There is a board that reviews cases for paroles and pardons. The governor can only act (I think) if the board recommends action. However, the governor appoints all the members of the board.

98 Alternate headline:

"Kay Bailey Hutchison Shocked That Lifetime Strategy of Being a Bitch Doesn't Work"

99 Fox really is getting harder to watch.  They have made a pivot in the last 2 months or so to the left.  Even the 'all-stars' are repeating the lie that tax cuts add to the debt.. something that was laughable 5 years ago, but the lie repeated until its true now.  Shep is, without shame, making sarcastic liberal quips during his 'news' report now, and we have 'the five' which has 2 true conservatives, two rhinos, and one batshit crazy lib.  Its unwatchable.

O'Reilly is now bashing the Tea Party, and when Ingraham fills in on friday, she's turned strangely to the left as of late.  Her behavior during the last debt ceiling crap was bizarre to say the least.  Made me sick that I actually bought her book.  I guess i should've seen that coming, I mean she lives in D.C., goes out with libs (I cannot understand this, unless she's a professional repuke), and last week was hailing Boehner as a genius who used the Tea Party as a foil or something.  I don't get it.  oh well

100 Here's what happens:
(a) Murder trial in Texas.
(b) Man is convicted and sentenced to death.
(c) Appeals
(d) Appeals
(e) Appeals
(f) The defense takes the case to the media who laps it up because there is no opposition.
(g) It goes to the Texas review board.
(h) The governor can stay the execution 60 days and send it back to the review board.
(i) Last minute claims of innocence and new evidence even though we're now over a decade after the original trial.
(j) Execution
(k) Years later, after evidence has blown away and everyone's forgotten about the case, the Left dredges up some picayune problem with the case and trumpets it as the possible execution of an innocent man.

That's what happened here. This guy was executed in 2004, 12 years after his trial. That's right, 2004. The New Yorker expose that re-opened the case happened in 2009. Five years later. Five years. And, of course, it resulted in an "award-winning documentary film."

Of course. Facts, meh, but propaganda films? Well, let's just say that Leni would be very proud.

The Wiki article has an interesting quote:
When asked if he had a final statement, Willingham said: "Yeah. The only statement I want to make is that I am an innocent man convicted of a crime I did not commit. I have been persecuted for 12 years for something I did not do. From God's dust I came and to dust I will return, so the earth shall become my throne. I gotta go, Road Dog. I love you, Gabby."Note: No mention of his three children who died in the fire that he did not set.

He then addressed his ex-wife, Stacy Kuykendall, who was watching about 8 feet away through a window. Willingham said, "I hope you rot in hell, bitch; I hope you fucking rot in hell bitch; You bitch; I hope you fucking rot, cunt. That is it." and then attempted to maneuver his hand, strapped at the wrist to the execution gurney, into an obscene gesture. Kuykendall showed no reaction to the outburst. While she initially believed in her husband's innocence, following the trial she told him she no longer believed him and publicized her change of heart.

101

We won't hear from the MSM or RINOs that Perry loved NY's gay marriage law or was one of Gore's 1988 campaign managers.   Or that Perry stance on illegal immigration pays homage to McCain.

 

The usual suspects will call him a conservative.  A conservative in the Bush mold.

 

The only thing Perry has going for him is that the Texas Bush faction hates him.

 

This means he can't be all bad.  Just 99% so.

102 40,000 perfectly innocent men and women die in this country everyday. Worse is the fact almost 20 percent of those left behind can't find jobs.

103 There are so many great side-by-side comparisons of Perry and Obama, I can hardly wait for Perry to become the nominee. I'd love to see a long side-by-side timeline. On Obama's side it'll all be "accounts vary", "?", "records sealed", and "Present". On Perry's side will be an actual life.

104

Perry issued a 2007 executive order

And Obama has never issued one in his life. Wait.

105 68 57 the Tea Party blew up the Hindenburg and kidnapped the Lindbergh baby

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, mobile ( but not Air Cav ) at August 04, 2011 03:36 PM (UqKQV)

We also had Lincoln & Kennedy killed, framed Ted Kennedy, started the black plaque and killed the dinosaurs.

Posted by: The Tea Party at August 04, 2011 03:38 PM (sVk8z)

We should probably dial that stuff back for a few months, huh?

106 We're going to give Ed Morrissey's bald noggin noogies so bad he'll be mistaken for Gorbachev.

107 We also made Russel Brand a star.

108 Obama can pull this election out if he makes it about Hope and Change. (no, seriously, stop laughing.) He can't do it with the same old same old, so watch for Slow Joe to complain about hsi aching cracked head and retire. New VP: Colin Powell.

109 I don't know if we have ever executed an innocent man in the modern age but I do know that there are approximately 800 people in prison right now for homicide who had previously been in prison for homicide. That's at least 800 innocent people who would be alive today if they had used the death penalty the first time.

110 <<< A Presidential Party nominee who refused, during his time as a Senate Senator, to acknowledge by law the rights of human beings born alive after horrifically botched abortions gets zero mention from the press. But we have a Governor, not even in the Presidential race yet,  that signed an executive order (which provided an an opt-out for parents) requiring a certain type of child vaccine. We're to be more outraged by the latter rather than the former? Okay got it. Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2011 03:37 PM (pLTLS)>>> And I think someone mentioned that the legislature didn't like his EO and wrote a bill to revoke it and he signed it. So he's capable of recognizing a mistake and correcting it.

111 28 Perry issued a 2007 executive order Those shots were easy to 'opt out' of, or so I'm told. That whole program was killed. Perry let it be killed. He knows people did not want it. He still thinks it was a good idea. My suggestion to Rick - say it was a mistake and move on.

112 Worse yet,we made PAUL REISER a star. An eternal, indelible blot on our souls.

113 Market - swan dive through the bottom of the empty pool.

114 Rick *hic* Perry? great. another good ol' boi from the great state of Texas. here in *hic* Nassau County we're listening to Bat-che-lor, reading Trig *hic* Truther websites, and planting Ron Paul signs *hic* around town. Ron *hic* Paul! lata selfish bitches!

115

Palin is the only potential candidate we have that has been through the level of vetting thatÂ’s going to happen in this election.

 

What will come out against Perry (or any other candidate) will cause our side to spend most of the next election cycle denying and correcting the record/perception.

116 108 We also made Russel Brand a star. Posted by: Tea party at August 04, 2011 03:44 PM (Nspp5) Yes. Well, thats where I draw the line, damnit!

117 We won't hear from the MSM or RINOs that Perry loved NY's gay marriage law or was one of Gore's 1988 campaign managers.   Or that Perry stance on illegal immigration pays homage to McCain.

Do you even read this blog?

118 There is a board that reviews cases for paroles and pardons. The governor can only act (I think) if the board recommends action.

However, the governor appoints all the members of the board.

Yeah, that's what the "innocent" crowd was complaining about, Perry appointed the people on the board, the board declined to hear new evidence, therefore it's all a conspiracy by Perry. I don't know, i'd have to go back and re-read everything which i really don't want to do, i'll just say that the innocent crowd was less than convincing when i was following it at the time.

119 Dave Kujan: You know a dealer named Ruby Deamer, Verbal?
Verbal: You know a religious guy named John Paul?
Dave Kujan: You know Ruby's in Attica?
Verbal: He didn't have my lawyer.

===

Why dial "that stuff" back, Hussein???

120 DJIA -456
 
That's a Nobel Prize!

121 Dow -473

122 dammit

123 At some point, I think you've been on a boat voyage long enough.

124 @116: Yeah, too bad Palin ain't running.

125 This is all they got .... might as well go with President-Elect Perry.

They will not do "all they got" until the person in question is the nominee.

126

If this is the worst the media has then Perry should be alright. I seem to recall there being an issue about Bush possibly executing a retarded man too. That didn't exactly pan out.

 

And as has been pointed out in the comments, while the HPV vaccine thing was stupid, he does have a great one liner retort in ,"Yeah I wanted young girls to get a cancer vaccine, a huge error on my part" It may not be factually accurate but it would work in a debate.

127 70 I'm thinking Sarah introduces Perry in Iowa with a strong endorsement ... Mittens cries himself to sleep. And Rudy rolls out Rick in New York

128 Can we start the campaign today? It's going to be like a carnival.

Popcorn futures are going to go through the roof.

129 We won't hear from the MSM or RINOs that Perry loved NY's gay marriage law

Perry believes (correctly, IMHO) that marriages are a STATE, not a FEDERAL issue.

The usual suspects will call him a conservative. A conservative in the Bush mold.

No - I live here in TX. Perry's to the right of both Bushes.

130 48OT - Tito the builder just endorsed by "FreedomWorks" in Virgina! Listen to the crowd from his speech in DC.

http://tinyurl.com/4ywrp7l

A glimpse of the future that the left is going to F'ing Hate! South Americans have been fighting pure Marxism for most of a century. They got no post soviet "break" either like we thought we took.

Posted by: Shiggz at August 04, 2011 03:34 PM (v8Pb

Experience is something not taught in College!!!

BTW the video is dated 2010 ?

131 It looks like the media is trying a bunch of the same shit they've been attempting to use against Governor Bobby Jindal in my state.


The Baton Rouge media hates him and has been wishcasting for a long time that someone will beat him or, at the least, that he'll do something that will bar him from being a player in the 2012 national elections.  Ain't gonna happen, as he's got approval rates so high and enough of a warchest that no one is willing to challenge him.  He's probably going to win 70-30 in October, with the 30 being in the "Anybody But Bobby" camp rather than behind any one candidate.

This kind of stuff is why they've been attempting to hit him on things like funding for education, as Jindal cut spending across the board in the state several times in lieu of raising taxes.  This included him telling LSU to make cuts rather than giving in to the incessant whining they do whenever they don't get a huge budget increase.

132

108 We also made Russel Brand a star.
Posted by: Tea party at August 04, 2011 03:44 PM (Nspp5)

 

But we're working on offing that Lohan chick to atone- give us a few months.

133

Proponents of the death penalty bloggers do not seem to comprehend that they are precisely one dead innocent man three corrupt governors and counting away from an end to executions. Sometimes I wonder which side of the debate some of us are really playing for

All ya need are liars in government who can sell out to pressure groups. Ask Richardson in New Mexico, Ryan in Illinois and Corzine in NJ. The only good news is that that bastard Ryan still went to jail for his corruption.

134 He creates jobs? Can I hear more about this? I don't care about HPV vaccines. I don't care about the death penalty. I don't care about gay marriage or abortion. I just want to feed my family and pay my bills.

Why can't I get the skinny on this guy?

135 Market - swan dive through the bottom of the empty pool. That was not a swan. That was a tunneling machine.

136 72 The black plaque was almost as deadly as the black plague, but not quite. We started them both. Obama is like 1/2 of a Black Plague.

137 123 Dow -473 Posted by: robtr at August 04, 2011 03:45 PM (MtwBb) I smell another Peace Prize!

138 137 socks is sticky

139

This is all they got .... might as well go with President-Elect Perry.

Ooooooo. Can I help design the seal? I have several ideas.

140 Obama is like 1/2 of a Black Plague. We only have 1/2 of 1/3 of a Black Plague.

141 @131 Perry just explicitly state he favors a federal amendment on the marriage and abortion issues. So the 10th Amendment stuff only travels so far with Rick. And good on him for clearing this up now.

142

How many death-penalty opponents vote Republican?

Are we talking in the womb or after they've committed some horrible crime, because it depends.

143 @139: Michelle reminds me of a Black Hole. A very stinky, moist, unwashed black hole...

144 If this is the worst the media has then Perry should be alright.

Oh you're forgetting about meeeeeeeeeee!!!1!1!!

145 Trollbusted comment from either: A racist fuckwit. Or a troll provacateur. Go peddle your shit elsewhere.

146 12 more minutes of bloodletting, then it'll stop. For today. Maybe we'll get a dead cat kitteh bounce tomorrow. That will amuse some morons.

147 Obama created or saved 150 million American lives by not having the Black Death break out during his Presidency!

148 We won't hear from the MSM or RINOs that Perry loved NY's gay marriage¹ law or was one of Gore's 1988 campaign managers².   Or that Perry stance on illegal immigration pays homage to McCain³.

1.  Marriage is a state thing.  That is his position.  And he is right.

2.  1988 Al Gore was not batshit crazy.

3.  Exactly what is that stance?  Funny, I haven't seen a policy paper. 

Weak tea there, bwana.

149 Someone's buying SPY's like crazy right now.

150 Dow down -472 with 9 minutes until closing bell.

151 "What, Daddy's Little Girl is immediately going to start dry humping the boy next to her because she was given a shot that she as likely as not doesn't even know what it's for?

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 03:29 PM (kUaEF) "

They wanted us to give this garbage to our daughter at birth. It only lasts 5-10 years. Chance of side effects, etc. Insanity.

Of course, that doesn't compare with what Obama has done to my children (fiscal child abuse) so I wouldn't lose perspective over this stupid decision of Perry's.

152 Perry just explicitly state he favors a federal amendment on the marriage and abortion issues.

So the 10th Amendment stuff only travels so far with Rick.


???  Is there some kind of conflict here?

153 It doesn't matter than they can't find much that will turn off the country and make them vote for President McFucktard. They will JUST MAKE SHIT UP. My suggestion for every right candidate is to practice saying, "liar, liar, liar" because that's what it's gonna take.

154 CNN calling this a "re-pricing"

Chicken Noodle News made a new word today!!!

155 Headlines of DOOM on Drudge: DOW PLUMMETS 450 POINTS... Gains for year erased... Deeper than post-TARP plunge... S&P hits 'correction' territory... GLOBAL SELL-OFF ACCELERATES...

156

We won't hear from the MSM or RINOs that Perry loved NY's gay marriage law or was one of Gore's 1988 campaign managers.   Or that Perry stance on illegal immigration pays homage to McCain.

--------

No, seriously, the 1988 campaign manager stuff is just a total joke. David Horowitz was a fucking communist for a good portion of his life, and has since become one of the leading intellectuals of the right.

So tired of these idiotic arguments that people who were once liberals can never, ever be true blood conservatives. If that's the case, then we are totally screwed because 90% of the youth is liberal.

157 If Obama's hair is turning gray (poor thing! *sniff*) because of this wretched job, imagine what will happen to it when he has to debate Perry

158 If only the Tea Party weren't such terrorists, we could have gone through this market implosion a week earlier.

Bastards!

159 -469

Rick Perry looks pretty effing good compared to you know who.

160 You bitches ought to be THANKING ME!

161 Any interview of a Republican should be answered with "as soon as you ask that same exact question to a Democrat, I'll answer you."

Perry usually doesn't hold back, so if and when he gets in, it should be interesting.

162 As someone who lives in a bad area, spent a lot of time in a bad area, and then took on a task that required being around a lot of bad things I got to say this about that particular execution.   I'm not a detective, but people with my background, and I think most police and firemen practice this, or something like it.   When I first meet someone, ANYONE  I look at their hands hair and feet.

If the guy came out of a burning house, with clean hands, coifed hair, and clean feet.  He was lying.   In my case, I learned to do that when I was told by a woman that she was single, but I see the indent or paleness on the ring finger.  or the dirt on the shoes when some grifter is saying he needs gas, or that, "I tried to help you but I couldn't get there." after I got my ass kicked, but his hair is untouched..  And then you look them in the eyes, and they tell you without saying a word.

163 Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader at August 04, 2011 02:42 PM (Jbj03)

That is some funny shit (not the comment -- I didn't read it -- the name!)

164 @154 No conflict at all. I'm just pointing out that Perry favors a federal amendment on the marriage issue as some seem to think he wants to leave it up to the states.

165

Any repub in the presidential race is going to get the media fisting (it's not even an anal exam anymore)  They figure it worked with Sarah, why not every opponent of the chosen one.

This election will probably be one of the ugliest if not the ugliest in our nation's history.  And it's not going to be just the media.  The unions, particularly the SEIU have had four years of this regime's blessing to plan the chaos that, they think, it will take to get Dick re-elected.

It really begins in January.   

166 wouldn't lose perspective over this stupid decision of Perry's.

Posted by: Randy M at August 04, 2011 03:50 PM (vI8R6)

You could have opted out of the shots, yes?   And unlike Obama, they're gone

167 I like Perry.I wish he would get in sooner rather than later.

168 DOWN   500 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

169 150 Obama created or saved 150 million American lives by not having the Black Death break out during his Presidency!

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 03:50 PM (kUaEF)

He's still got time!

170 11,394.66 -501.78 (-4.22%) Real-time:   3:52PM EDT

171 I've always understood that the headlines in newspapers are rarely written by the reporters of the stories, that's it's a copy desk task.  Which to me argues a small group of people whose mindthink is more towards a regularization of style than actual content...and that it's all too easy to slide from that to a "sustained front" posture.  One of my small amusements/annoyances is to glance at the headlines on the front page of the LA Times and observe the connotative words they choose in their frantic spinning for the Left. I remember the reporting of Reagan's funeral; they changed the headline from first edition to next, probably because their initial attempt so dripped with their contempt that they were called upon it.

172 About that 1988 trope:

Ronaldus Magnus started out as a union president Democrat.

173 Ykies! -500 points.

174 Just crashed through -500.

175 dial 511 !!!!!!!!!

176 -507 resign Obama

177 The Just for Men^® acted stupidly

178 CNN is reporting former Secretary of the Treasury Paulson is back on his knees at the Capitol, begging Nancy Pelosi for Anal... Nancy reportedly quipped, "I didn't know you were Greek!"

179 Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 03:49 PM (i6Neb)

The f...?

180 Rick Perry's perfect hair will be even more gorgeous and distinguished as it turns gray and silver.

181 Late to thread but I don't think the TX Gov has a lot of power with regard to executions. In any case I expected hits on the vaccine and the TTH. The rest of this stuff is pretty much BS.

182 513! I TOLD you bitches Panic would set in!! No telling WHERE this ends today.

183 Any repub in the presidential race is going to get the media fisting I hope Sarah sweeps around the country as one of several vocal wingmen for Perry. The MFM'll use up all their flak rounds.

184 I'm just pointing out that Perry favors a federal amendment on the marriage issue as some seem to think he wants to leave it up to the states.

Which is a constitutional way to address the issue, no?

185 I hanging onto 1200 by my fingernails.

186 "an official correction"   =  Bear Market   =  Sh+t Sandwich

187 Whoever was joking about DOW -500 should really STFU.

188 DOW -507.

Recovery Summer.

189 Rick Perry supports using the Constitutional process of creating amendments to the Constitution banning abortion and gay marriage. So, the states get a vote on this as well. i find as a strong Concerned Christian Conservative, that I can't Support Rick Perry for President because he doesn't use the courts to overturn voters decisions like our 10th amendment supporting President Obama.

190 Oh, i just remembered that when it became clear the Williamson case wasn't sticking to Perry, the innocent crowd brought in Barry Scheck of OJ fame to try and gin up another "innocent man being wrongly executed" case to stick Perry with, problem is, it was so transparently bullshit and the guy was so clearly guilty that they couldn't even drum up support from the usual suspects and it went away very, very quickly.

191 >>??? Is there some kind of conflict here? Yes. You can't claim in one breath that you are a federalist and then in the next say you favor Constitutional amendments on the vary same topics in the next. He was doing fine with the federalist approach. He should have quit there.

192

I normally eschew CNBC, but I am certainly tuning into Jim Cramer tonight. I want to see that jackass try to spin this crap.

Buy! Buy! Buy!

193 There go the Profit to Earnings ratios.

194 Thank you, Dow! Now this is a 57th birthday party...

195 Perry seems to be the closest thing to a Republican winner. Conservative on fiscal and social issues with an engaging and likeable personality who knows how to feed us the red fucking meat.

196 The market is in a slow-motion car-crash, folks. If you bet on -500 or lower as the close, you should keep your ticket close by.

197 Perry was jogging and shot a fucking coyote with a pistol he was carrying. The man jogs *packing*. What more do you need to know?

198

Perry just explicitly state he favors a federal amendment on the marriage and abortion issues.

So the 10th Amendment stuff only travels so far with Rick.


???  Is there some kind of conflict here?

---------------

No, there isn't. It appears a great many people can't square this stance when it isn't that hard to understand.

I'm going to try to help the not-so-bright.

He's a constitutionalist. That means he believes in the constitution..ALL ASPECTS. Which not only includes the 10th ammendment, but the ammendment process.

Therefore, he can easily understand that right now, the 10th ammendment has granted states control of an issue like marraige. Now, just because Rick Perry might not like the idea of legalized gay marraige, he understands that the law forbids him, as President, from doing much of anything about it. That's called believing in the rule of law. Just because you don't like an aspect of the law doesn't mean you can just go around it. That includes the President and the federal government.

However, in this society we do have a way to completely change the law of the land. It's called a consitutional ammendment. And this process would then grant the federal government the power to enforce marriage laws.

So if I'm a constitutionalist running for President that believes gay marraige is some sort of societal problem, I have one solution: ammend the constitution. Otherwise, the 10th ammendment forbids the feds from getting involved. This isn't in anyway, shape, or form contradictory.

199 196 There go the Profit to Earnings ratios.

Posted by: nickless at August 04, 2011 03:56 PM (MMC8r)

PE Ratios? We still have those?

200 "But it's not as if there was evidence presented to prove his innocence (emphasis added--ed.) -- rather that the technical evidence of arson presented was weak."

Not to defend Williamson in other than the general sense, but I missed the part where we adopted the Code Napoleon, pard.

201 Perry was jogging and shot a fucking coyote with a pistol he was carrying.

That actually makes me hot.

202 Perry should announce his Presidential run, based on: 1. Immediate repeal and/or negation of Obamacare 2. Immediate repeal of ALL regulations passed by ANYONE since the day Obama was elected. 3. Immediate repeal of Frank-Dodd. 4. Immediate Freeze order or any new EPA regulations. 5. A holiday on ALL environmental regulations subject to painstaking review.

203 If you morons have any money left after today, I'm on sale.

204  If Obama's hair is turning gray (poor thing! *sniff*) because of this wretched job, imagine what will happen to it when he has to debate Perry

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2011 03:51 PM (pLTLS)

 

If Dick is the nominee, there will be no debates.  The DNC knows this guy is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.  There will be a crisis, yeah, that's it, which will prevent the prez tearing himself away from presidentin'.

205 DOW -507. Recovery Summer. Posted by: Obama and The Dem's What are we recovering? 1979?

206 Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 03:49 PM (i6Neb)

Go fuck yourself.

207 206 Perry was jogging and shot a fucking coyote with a pistol he was carrying. You mean that really WAS a gun in his pocket?

208 And you're welcome for Rebecca Black.

209 wow, zerohedge still slammed

210 You can't claim in one breath that you are a federalist and then in the next say you favor Constitutional amendments on the vary same topics in the next.

Why not?  I'm a federalist and yet I like the 2nd Amendment.

211 201 Perry was jogging and shot a fucking coyote with a pistol he was carrying.

The man jogs *packing*.

What more do you need to know?

Posted by: blaster at August 04, 2011 03:57 PM (l5dj7)

Perry is gonna need that skill when he gets to the White House and jogs around DC.

212 200 The market is in a slow-motion car-crash, folks. If you bet on -500 or lower as the close, you should keep your ticket close by.

Posted by: joncelli at August 04, 2011 03:56 PM (RD7QR)

This is "slow-motion"???

213

11,394.66 -501.78 (-4.22%) Real-time:   3:52PM EDT

 

So this is what laser like focusing gains us.

214 Posted by: Ben at August 04, 2011 03:56 PM (wuv1c)

I caught Cramer for 30 seconds on CNBC today and he was laughing and smiling. My God, the man is vile.

215 I bet tomorrows numbers leaked. Black Thursday. Yes, I denounce myself.

216 Profits-to-Earnings ratios seem to be holding steady at 1.0... it's working!

217 Posted by: Mary Crackenducky of Cut & Shoot, Texas at August 04, 2011 03:57 PM (Lt/Za)

I've driven through there.

Not that that matters any, but just so all you morons know that's an actual town in Texas.

218 Dow closes -515

219

Yes. You can't claim in one breath that you are a federalist and then in the next say you favor Constitutional amendments on the vary same topics in the next.

He was doing fine with the federalist approach. He should have quit there.

------------

Yes..you can. What the hell? If this is the case than why have an ammendment process at all. After all, the constitution basically covers everything with 10th ammendment. Anything not granted the feds or prohibited to the states is left to the states. Anything. So, no need for any of the voting right's ammendments, shit should be left to the states. Do I have this about right?

They put the ammendment process in the document for a reason. If society as a whole decides to change the basic function of the federal government, it can do so with this process. This normally results in the taking of power from the States and giving it to the feds. Normally.

220 Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 03:49 PM (i6Neb) Take that shit to StormFront because we ain't buying.

221 -514 at the close.

222
historic presidency!

223 148 Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 03:49 PM (i6Neb) Where would YOU get the money? Mommy? CREEP.

224 183 Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 03:49 PM (i6Neb) The f...? You got a problem with that MO FO?

225 Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 03:49 PM (i6Neb)

The f...?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 04, 2011 03:54 PM (IxDxe)

Yeah, clean up on aisle 148......stat.

226 You mean that really WAS a gun in his pocket?

And he wasn't happy to see me.

227 <<<201 Perry was jogging and shot a fucking coyote with a pistol he was carrying. The man jogs *packing*. What more do you need to know? Posted by: blaster at August 04, 2011 03:57 PM (l5dj7) The caliber.

228

So if I'm a constitutionalist running for President who believes gay marriage is some sort of societal problem, I have one solution: amend the constitution. Otherwise, the 10th ammendment forbids the feds from getting involved. This isn't, in any way, shape, or form, contradictory.

*Ding ding ding*

You win the cookie.

However no one gets this and hence we have federally mandated abortion "freedom".

229 227 -514 at the close. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 04:00 PM (7utQ2) Next on Hardball: Did the Tea Party just destroy Wall Street??

230

Dow closes -515

 

Good news! The Washington establishment managed to cut something during this Congress after all.

231 228 148 Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 03:49 PM (i6Neb) Where would YOU get the money? Mommy? CREEP. IDIOT

232
Not that that matters any, but just so all you morons know that's an actual town

Posted by: © Sponge at August 04, 2011 04:00 PM (p/9rC)

Ahem

233 Waitaminute - EvERYTHING is down. Dow, bonds, gold, oil - Holy Crap!

234 Has someone informed Moron HQ of the racist asshole infestation?

235 You got a problem with that MO FO?

Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 04:00 PM (i6Neb)

Yes, shitface, I do.

236 230 Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 03:49 PM (i6Neb) The f...? Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 04, 2011 03:54 PM (IxDxe) Yeah, clean up on aisle 148......stat. Clean up your own shit

237 Waitaminute - EvERYTHING is down. Dow, bonds, gold, oil - Holy Crap!

Runs on European banks, margin calls, and crappy fundamentals.

That will do it.

238 >>Why not? I'm a federalist and yet I like the 2nd Amendment. Not the same thing. When asked, Perry said he absolutely supported NY's gay marriage bill because it was a state issue and should be decided by each state individually. He then turned right around and said that he favored federal amendments to ban gay marriage and abortion because, well presumably because he was against both or they were no longer state level issues. It's fine to say some issues are federal issues and some are state level. It's not so fine to same the same issue is both in the span of a day or two. Some candidates get tagged with the flip flopper or panderer labels when they do that.

239 This is where I wish I had banning powers

240
in b4...

Why don't you sew your ass shut!

241 You got a problem with that MO FO? Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 04:00 PM (i6Neb) Why, YES, I do: you're a LIBERAL ASSHOLE that wants to make us look like racists. Nothing wrong with you a 100 gallon drum of douche up your liberal ass wouldn't cure.

242 Dow closes -515 Good news! The Washington establishment managed to cut something during this Congress after all. We told you the cuts were real.

243 Got y'all beat. Down 5.39% for the day.

244 The caliber. Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 04:01 PM (oVQFe) .380 Ruger. I mean, come on, you really can't jog with a .45.

245 Not that that matters any, but just so all you morons know that's an actual town

Posted by: © Sponge at August 04, 2011 04:00 PM (p/9rC)

Ahem

Posted by: Truth or Consequences, N.M

Hi folks!

246 Oooo.  Racism.  Edgy.

247 @188 Of course. Did I say something to suggest otherwise?

248 Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 04:00 PM (i6Neb)

Actually, all of us have a problem with it. We frown on neo-nazi cocksuckers joining our little block party. There are plenty of places you can go to satisfy your cravings.

Just don't do it here.

Leave.

249

250 Posted by: Floyd's Knob IN at August 04, 2011 04:04 PM (326rv) Boy, that town sounds like it could sure use a good polish!

251 Yep, I saw two Perry hit pieces today and one Romney.Wonder when we'll learn something about Obama?         /s

252

You win the cookie.

However no one gets this and hence we have federally mandated abortion "freedom".

--------

Correct. State issue that was taken away from the states w/o an ammendment. That's the wrong way to go about it.

The right way would have been for the pro-choice crowd to push an ammendment, otherwise the 10th ammendment supercedes any of their wishes. Or it should have been anyway...until the USSC stuck it's nose where it didn't belong.

253 Yeah  --  death penalty for izoneguy.  Two thumbs down.

254

My stop loss triggers went off a week ago. I am kinda happy I only lost about 20%, hellova thing to be happy about.

255 Posted by: Floyd's Knob IN at August 04, 2011 04:04 PM (326rv)

Boy, that town sounds like it could sure use a good polish!

Posted by: Chris Matthews

 

We put the bypass in for a reason. Use that.

256 Posted by: blaster at August 04, 2011 04:04 PM (l5dj7)

I had a great shoulder holster for my 1911 that kept it nice and snug, even when I was jogging. Made by Uncle Mike's I think.

257 The Dow was down most of the day yesterday before Barry's Wall Street buddies pulled it up into positive territory in the last hour to keep him from the first 9-day losing streak since Carter.

So today, on his birthday, it goes down 500.

Karma for a Jug-Eared Fuck.

258 izoneguy, I know how to deal with people like you.

259 <<<241 230 Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 03:49 PM (i6Neb) The f...? Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 04, 2011 03:54 PM (IxDxe) Yeah, clean up on aisle 148......stat. Clean up your own shit Posted by: izoneguy at August 04, 2011 04:02 PM (i6Neb) Says the fuck face sitting at the bottom of the portopot. Fuck off bigot.

260 Damn!  -511 points.  I'm sure glad I got out when I did and that Roth accounts have no margin calls.

261

WooooooooooooooHooooooooooooooo...DOW only down 512 points........... Yea Baby, Recovery Summer...Barack Hussien Obamaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!

262 the market was a fag

263 251 Not that that matters any, but just so all you morons know that's an actual town

Posted by: © Sponge at August 04, 2011 04:00 PM (p/9rC)

Ahem

Posted by: Truth or Consequences, N.M

Hi folks!

Posted by: Floyd's Knob IN at August 04, 2011 04:04 PM (326rv)

Greetings!

264 That was quite a birthday bash. How often has the NASDAQ sunk 5%? Almost a trillion dollars lost in the US today.

265 What more do you need to know?

Posted by: blaster at August 04, 2011 03:57 PM (l5dj7)

The caliber. Posted by: buzzion

Here you go:
http://tinyurl.com/3wankvu

266

You could have opted out of the shots, yes?   And unlike Obama, they're gone

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, mobile ( but not Air Cav ) at August 04, 2011 03:52 PM (UqKQV)

I'm not in Texas. I'm suspicious of the vacine and that a short term STD prevention shot would be presented to infants.
But my point is that while, yes, I think mandating this is a small knock against Perry it is insignificant in comparison to Obama.

267 Asia and then Europe markets will be in tatters, imo.

268 Yes. You can't claim in one breath that you are a federalist and then in the next say you favor Constitutional amendments on the vary same topics in the next.

He was doing fine with the federalist approach. He should have quit there.

The problem with the federalist approach is the equal protection clause- at some point SCOTUS is going to have to decide whether a gay marriage granted by one state has to be recognized by the others.

Honestly, I'd have a tough time trying to come up with a rationale how a non-gay marriage state could constitutionally refuse to acknowledge a legally performed and sanctioned marriage issued by another state.

One could still maintain his federalist cred by passing an amendment that didn't ban gay marriage outright, but also allows individual states the right not to acknowledge them as legit.

269

Dude. Seriously, not cool.

 

Sounds mobyish though...

270 205 "But it's not as if there was evidence presented to prove his innocence (emphasis added--ed.) -- rather that the technical evidence of arson presented was weak."
Not to defend Williamson in other than the general sense, but I missed the part where we adopted the Code Napoleon, pard.

Ken my lad, once the jury says "guilty" the burden of proof shifts to the defendant. At that point yes, he is required to prove his innocence.

271 OK...sometimes you can find something useful--like I'm never going to trust any of my money with the idiot on CNBC who just said "We're not selling in this market, we see a long-term bull market."

Thanks for that confirmation that the financial genius sector of the economy is alive and stupid.

272 I hanging onto 1200 by my fingernails.
Posted by: S&P

Gawddamn, I hate when it appears that the zerohedge loons may actually be right. Large numbers, coincidences everywhere, but bang on the nose of a support line?

273 Almost a trillion dollars lost in the US today.

Bag o' shells.

274

Not the same thing. When asked, Perry said he absolutely supported NY's gay marriage bill because it was a state issue and should be decided by each state individually. He then turned right around and said that he favored federal amendments to ban gay marriage and abortion because, well presumably because he was against both or they were no longer state level issues.

Holy Shit, what about the consitition do you not get? You can be in favor of states rights as defined in the constitution and STILL BE FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION. That's how it works.

The constitution is a Negative document----it says what the feds cannot do and how everything else is reserved to the states. If the people find that in a particular issue that this does not work they amend the constitution which requires the partisipation of the states or an overwhelming majority in congress, et al.

There is no conflict here.

275 In  Climax, Colorado, there's a molybdenum mine

"Climax Molly", of course

276 Rick Perry will ride campaigning in big polluting limos, while our Green president will ride the bus!

Ohhhhhh, Magic Bus!

277 It's no big deal guys! We have turned the economy around; Wall Street just suffered a contraction! Oh, wait... that was my cooter...

278 Whew.  Just returned from Barky's birfday site.

There is some serious, weapons-grade stupid there.  "Best president evah!!1111!"

279 Now lets stop fucking around with these small little inconsequential towns.

Posted by: Intercourse, PA

 

Ever since your golf course closed you have been nothing but pushy and demanding.......No foreplay.

280 Posted by: Intercourse, PA at August 04, 2011 04:08 PM (Lt/Za)

Who are you calling inconsequential?

281 You can maintain your federalist cred even when favoring a constitutional amendment defining marriage.

282 272 What more do you need to know?

Posted by: blaster at August 04, 2011 03:57 PM (l5dj7)

The caliber. Posted by: buzzion

Here you go:
http://tinyurl.com/3wankvu

Posted by: Retread at August 04, 2011 04:07 PM (BO5ap)

I've got a Taurus - virtually identical.  Less scratch too.

283 The stock market has nothing to do with President Obama or his polices. Just bunch of rich SOB's playing with our tax dollars too get rich !!!!!!!!

284 I'm still waiting for this headline from the MFM:

Obama Attended Anti-Semitic Church for 20 Years.

285 It's no big deal guys! We have turned the economy around; Wall Street just suffered a contraction!

Oh, wait... that was my cooter...

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman

 

Just what we needed; economic prolapse pron

286
Honestly, I'd have a tough time trying to come up with a rationale how a non-gay marriage state could constitutionally refuse to acknowledge a legally performed and sanctioned marriage issued by another state.

One could still maintain his federalist cred by passing an amendment that didn't ban gay marriage outright, but also allows individual states the right not to acknowledge them as legit.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 04, 2011 04:08 PM (SY2Kh)

Thats the problem. Now you have a state like Massachusetts telling a state like Texas what marriage is. I think the best compromise would be for the states to recognize the contractual aspect of marriage only (a quasi civil union) which is the only part of marriage the state can grant.

287 Wait... you all act like I think this is a bad birthday present??? OMG, this is like the best birthday ever!!!!

288 288 Posted by: Intercourse, PA at August 04, 2011 04:08 PM (Lt/Za) That's our Sister Town!

289

It's fine to say some issues are federal issues and some are state level. It's not so fine to same the same issue is both in the span of a day or two. Some candidates get tagged with the flip flopper or panderer labels when they do that.

----------

No, man, it's called respecting the rule of law. Because of the 10th ammendment it IS a state issue. Now, Ricky Perry can ackownledge that and then say he supports an ammendment so it no longer is a state issue. But when asked about New York, today, he is right in claiming it's a state issue. It is. But an ammendment would change that and would be the correct way to go about changing it, as opposed to the feds just mandating in places they don't have the power to mandate.

And I'm not actually saying I support a marriage ammendment. I just do not see the conflict here.

 

290 Why is Rick Perry giving free HPV shots to Death Row prisoners and executing innocent teenaged girls? NOT IN MY NAME.

291 Posted by: Intercourse, PA at August 04, 2011 04:08 PM (Lt/Za) Who are you calling inconsequential? Posted by: Blue BAll, PA at August 04, 2011 04:09 PM (LH6ir) Really subtle, guys...

292 That was quite a birthday bash. How often has the NASDAQ sunk 5%? Almost a trillion dollars lost in the US today. --- In the most high and palmy state of Rome, A little ere the mightiest Julius fell, The graves stood tenantless, and the sheeted dead Did squeak and gibber in the Roman streets; As stars with trains of fire, and dews of blood, Disasters in the sun; Maybe this portends the end of the reign of error next year.

293 Meh.  Bring it, suckas!

294 >>Holy Shit, what about the consitition do you not get? You can be in favor of states rights as defined in the constitution and STILL BE FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION. That's how it works. I take it reading comprehension is not one of your strong suit. It was Perry himself who one day stated that gay marriage was a state issue and then the next said it was a federal issue. Got it? Him, not me. If you have a problem with that, take it up with him.

295 What is the pant crease situation?  Hell cant someone tell me what his pant crease is like?1??!!!1??1  I  MUST KNOS!

296 296 288 Posted by: Intercourse, PA at August 04, 2011 04:08 PM (Lt/Za)

That's our Sister Town!

Posted by: ButFuk, Africa at August 04, 2011 04:11 PM (kUaEF)

How's the junk-washing lessons going?

297 Says the fuck face sitting at the bottom of the portopot. Fuck off bigot.

Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 04:07 PM (oVQFe)

Don't drag me into this!

298 Hopefully Perry will be nominated, and hopefully we'll get the campaign we should have in 2008 but didn't because Senator McFuckNeasle was our nominee. Not only put Obama on the defensive about his piss-poor performance in office, but on the defensive over Wright, Ayers, the vote against the Born Alive Act, etc, etc,......

299 How's the junk-washing lessons going? Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 04:13 PM (UOM4 We have it well in hand!

300 As stars with trains of fire, and dews of blood, Disasters in the sun; BTW, the CME story in the sidebar...

301 Pikers.

302 That was quite a birthday bash. How often has the NASDAQ sunk 5%? Almost a trillion dollars lost in the US today. Posted by: t-bird

NASDAQ is a mug's game. It's lost 40% of it's value every decade or so since it opened in '71. Yeah, the other markets aren't looking so hot but NASDAQ is the place for volatility.

303 Really subtle, guys...

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

304

The problem with the federalist approach is the equal protection clause- at some point SCOTUS is going to have to decide whether a gay marriage granted by one state has to be recognized by the others.

Honestly, I'd have a tough time trying to come up with a rationale how a non-gay marriage state could constitutionally refuse to acknowledge a legally performed and sanctioned marriage issued by another state.

One could still maintain his federalist cred by passing an amendment that didn't ban gay marriage outright, but also allows individual states the right not to acknowledge them as legit.

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When you move to a new state, do you not have to eventually get a new driver's license that reflects that you ar enow a resident of said state? You can't continue to use your old state's license. Or am I wrong about this? Have lived in one state my whole life.

Anyway, if a state can force you to get a new license upon becoming a resident in their state ( I guess not force you...you can aalways choose to not drive) can they not do the same with marriage licenses if you become residents of a state that doesn't support gay marriage?

305 >>No, man, it's called respecting the rule of law. Accept that's not what Perry said. He said nothing about the rule of law. He said he was fine with NY's gay marriage bill because it is his belief that marriage is a state issue. I agree with him. Then he immediately started walking it back when he realized that was not the message social cons wanted and went the Constitutional amendment route. I don't expect it to be a bid problem for him. I like him for the most part and hope he does well. But he did flip on this issue and it's not a path I'd like to see him continue down.

306 @302 You may remember some of us having a problem with Perry's statement about New York's right to define marriage. We were shocked that he didn't also note in the same breath his opposition to gay marriage and said he needed to clarify his position. Which he has now done. Not so much a flipflop from my perspective, but an important addendum to his earlier comments.

307 You guys are nuts!

308 *ouch*

309

How about

PERRY ESCALATES AUSTIN ANSCHLUSS

Republican Governor Wages Blitzkrieg against University Reserch, Creates Lebensraum for Conservative Agenda

310 @313 The answer probably has to do with the fact that driving is considered a "privilege" as opposed to a right.

311 Hey!

312

We're still waiting on Obama's 2008 vetting, but do remember they spent all that time vetting a plumber.

 

That's because Joe (and they went after his name too) was so vital to the political process because he did the job of asking Barry a question that they wouldn't

313 woot!

314

Posted by: Dry Beaver Creek, AZ at August 04, 2011 04:18 PM (UOM4

 

When I went to College at UofA we called it Laney beaver Creek in honour of a friend's girlfriend who never left home without a tube of KY!

315

You fellas don't know how to get it done.

I know how...I just don't get the chance!

316

I take it reading comprehension is not one of your strong suit. It was Perry himself who one day stated that gay marriage was a state issue and then the next said it was a federal issue. Got it? Him, not me.

If you have a problem with that, take it up with him.

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Yea, but this is all how the question is asked. I'm a federalist and an opponent of gay marraige. So, now if someone asks me "do you support gay marriage" and I say no, well then they can take that to mean I'm all for the federal government cracking down on the practice as they see fit. And that wouldn't be the case.

And then if someone asked me if gay marriage is a state issue I would say yes that the fed has no power to enter into, I'd answer yes. Because that is what the law says, today. That does not mean, however, that I wouldn't support the law eventually saying that, via an ammendment. It's just me acknowledging the fact that as of right now, the law says it is a state issue.

317 fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap....

318 inorite

319

The answer probably has to do with the fact that driving is considered a "privilege" as opposed to a right.

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Is marriage a right? I mean that seriously.

320 299 Posted by: Intercourse, PA at August 04, 2011 04:08 PM (Lt/Za)

Who are you calling inconsequential?
Posted by: Blue BAll, PA at August 04, 2011 04:09 PM (LH6ir)

Really subtle, guys...

Posted by: Bird-in-Hand, PA at August 04, 2011 04:12 PM (FcR7P)

That's funny because I know where all of those places are, and they're all a short drive from each other.

321 *poot*

322 When you move to a new state, do you not have to eventually get a new driver's license that reflects that you ar enow a resident of said state? You can't continue to use your old state's license. Or am I wrong about this? Have lived in one state my whole life.

I have moved all over the country many times. EVERY State requires you to get a new driver's license and registration for your car within a certain number of days of moving to the State.

The only exceptions are military (federal law) and temporary workers who are not making the State a permanent resident. (But better be prepared to prove you are temporary)

323 @332 It been awhile since I took constitutional law, but I'm pretty certain the Supreme Court has held that heterosexual marriage is indeed a fundamental right protected by the Constitution. Of course, when that decision was handed down, noone was yapping about homosexual "marriage."

324 sock off

325 Dammit, stay away from me!

326 Anyway, if a state can force you to get a new license upon becoming a resident in their state ( I guess not force you...you can aalways choose to not drive) can they not do the same with marriage licenses if you become residents of a state that doesn't support gay marriage?

A state can't ban people with licenses issued by other states from driving in their own state.  If you choose to live there they can require you to get an in-state license, but they still acknowledge as valid those issued by other states.

327 Posted by: Slicklizzard, AL

'Sup Brah

328

Honestly, I'd have a tough time trying to come up with a rationale how a non-gay marriage state could constitutionally refuse to acknowledge a legally performed and sanctioned marriage issued by another state.

 

It's called "choice".  If  you're galy married in one state and want that to be recognised, then you stay in that state.  Simple. 

It's one of the beautiful things about federalism.  If you hate the societal morals, politics, or taxes in one state, you can pack up and move to a state that better fits your beliefs.   

329 Come on over, drinks are on me.

330 FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT, I WILL ENTHUSIASTICALLY VOTE FOR A YELLOW DOG IF THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES TO GET OBAMA OUT! But I am not too happy with my Gov., Perry, when it comes to finances. Remember the old thing about throwing stones and glass houses? current spending as a % of revenue: Tx 128% Il 142% Ca 128% NY 135% Ms 151% Ak 118% Debt as a % of StateGDP: Tx 18.6% Il 18.6% Ca 19.2% NY 25,1% Ms 13.1% Ak 22.9%

331 Cartman does not visit.

332 Rich- We're gonna have to agree to disagree. These are the two statements in question. It doesn't matter how they were asked, it matters how they were answered. If Perry is afraid that there will be some amendment that states that gay marriage is the law of the land then he should fight that as a constitutional matter, not try to put his own amendment in there. It's either a state level issue or a federal issue. I liked his first answer, his second, not so much. >>"Our friends in New York six weeks ago passed a statute that said marriage can be between two people of the same sex. And you know what? That's New York, and that's their business, and that's fine with me," he said to applause from several hundred GOP donors in Aspen, Colo. "That is their call. If you believe in the 10th Amendment, stay out of their business." >>Yes sir, and I have long supported the appointment of judges who respect the constitution and the passage of a federal marriage amendment. That amendment defines marriage between one man and one woman, and it protects the states from being told otherwise.

333 Things are looking up.

334 I'm in treatment for it, honest!

335 @343 The problem is the Full Faith and Credit Clause. In fact, it is an explicit strategy of the homosexual "marriage" movement to have homosexual spouses who were married in a state allowing such unions move to other states in order to foment litigation forcing the new host state to recognize the homosexual "marriage." Thus the need for a constitutional amendment.

336 Wash THIS junk, honey.

337 brb...

338 I'm so tired of the fed fucking me.

339 Wow, this market's crazy.

340 Tea Party money is welcome here.

341 Come here ...

342

Wow, this market's crazy.

My bad.

343 I HATE wannabe treehuggers.

344 Perry beat Kay because she's too left-wing. Her DC record is full of bad votes.

345 heh

346 Shoulda been here last night.

347
  Perry needs to consult with a certain Alaskan about how to handle the upcoming firestorm from the media.

348 Beats me.

349 Posted by: irongrampa at August 04, 2011 04:43 PM (ud5dN)

How -- by resigning half way through his first term?

350 Does this ironic t-shirt make my ass look too skinny?

351 Business is slow.

352 *searching for a clean plaid shirt to wear to the protest in Madison*

353 I'll be in my bunk.

354 Who's Debbie?

355 You say your name is Roy Harold Scherer, Jr.?? This might have been a mistake.

356 All that means Perry is hardly the “generic Republican” who President Barack Obama struggles to beat in polls. That’s what concerns Republicans who think nominating him instead of a blander, more stylistically mainstream candidate like Mitt Romney or Tim Pawlenty would be a gift to the incumbent.

Any Republicans that take this crap from Politico seriously should be horse-whipped.

357 Behold

358 I take it reading comprehension is not one of your strong suit. It was Perry himself who one day stated that gay marriage was a state issue and then the next said it was a federal issue. Got it? Him, not me.

If you have a problem with that, take it up with him.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 04, 2011 04:12 PM (TMB3S)

No. I do get it. You don't. That's not what he said. He said it was a state issue but he was for a federal amendment to combat it. That means he's a constitutionalist. You probably need to go find a high school civics text book and read up on the constitution, federalism, states rights, and amendments to the constitution.

359 "Gov. Perry wages war on Texas's ivory tower"

You know what else that conjures? The mass murderer Charles Whitman sniping from the Library Tower on UT's campus. You think that isn't profound imagery? Or accidental?

Historical incident. Texas. School. Tower. Violence. War. Military. Perry. Otherwise known as word association.

The fact that this story was headlined this way shows only a lack of subtlety in their approach. The MFM is the nation's enemy within regardless of what anyone thinks of Perry... or Palin, Bachmann, T. Paw, or Ron Paul.

360 Fear him enough to try a pre-emptive strike rather than destroy after announcement? Interesting.

361 Anyone got any salt?

362 Creases in his slacks are not that great.

363

The double standard lives. Try googling Ricky Rector.

The execution the left jumped GWB for involved a woman who had found Jesus.

364 Fuck the media, fuck the Dems.

It's Rick Perry bitch!

365 Ace, in TX, it matters less than other states whether there's an official death penalty than others. We tend to present goblins to the cops at room temperature anyway.

366

We also had Lincoln & Kennedy killed, framed Ted Kennedy, started the black plaque and killed the dinosaurs.

Posted by: The Tea Party

But can  you keep the metric system out?

367 RESPECT MAH ATHORATIE!!

368 This is simply too weak.

They will come up with something about any of our candidates.  Perry is the 'inflate and invent' mode.

I mean, the state democrat convention coincided with the governor's mansion being burned down, and they criticize Perry for using tax dollars on a different residence?  They get to burn his house down and leave the man homeless, or it's an attack on him?  Of course he needs an expensive home.  It's got to be secure from violent democrats.

If a democrat's governor's mansion burned down, the story would be presented as though the governor was a lion/victim (they manage to make that work somehow).

Meanwhile, Perry just says the word 'jobs'.  They are scared to death of this guy.

369

take it reading comprehension is not one of your strong suit. It was Perry himself who one day stated that gay marriage was a state issue and then the next said it was a federal issue. Got it? Him, not me.

If you have a problem with that, take it up with him.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 04, 2011 04:12 PM (TMB3S)

No. I do get it. You don't. That's not what he said. He said it was a state issue but he was for a federal amendment to combat it. That means he's a constitutionalist. You probably need to go find a high school civics text book and read up on the constitution, federalism, states rights, and amendments to the constitution.

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Uum, if Perry said (and meant) it was a states' rights issue, then he can't support a Federal Constitutional amendment that would make it a Federal issue.  An amendment to the US Constitution would mean that no state could make its own decision on the issue.

What Perry said doesn't make him a Constitutionalist.  It makes him a moron.

370 Posted by: Intercourse, PA at August 04, 2011 04:08 PM (Lt/Za)

Who are you calling inconsequential?
Posted by: Blue BAll, PA at August 04, 2011 04:09 PM (LH6ir)

Really subtle, guys...

Posted by: Bird-in-Hand, PA at August 04, 2011 04:12 PM (FcR7P)

That's funny because I know where all of those places are, and they're all a short drive from each other.
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Hey, cum see me when you're ready.

371 I still prefer Perry, but the fact is that he has waffled on this social issue stuff.

If Perry thinks states should set their individual courses on social issues, he shouldn't then say our constitution should set their courses.

I grant it's better for social engineering to come from constitutional amendments than judicial fiat or other overreach, but the ultimate issue is whether Perry wishes to have a truly federalist system that permits different states to do things their own way, or if he doesn't.  What results did he have in mind?

I liked his original states-rights answer, but he is being a politician in his latter approach.  I am willing to get over it because I want an electable president who can run the government well, but we do need to be wary about this stuff. 

I need to see Perry's agenda plainly laid out.

372

Posted by: Jim at August 04, 2011 06:54 PM (YwDKF)

You're the moron, moron.  In order for an amendment to pass, is must be approved by the states.  Which, you know, kinda requires the states to make a decision....

373 OH. MY. G-D.  Rick Perry wants students to be able to gain a four-year degree for $10,000?!  The Horror!!!

374 "395 OH. MY. G-D.  Rick Perry wants students to be able to gain a four-year degree for $10,000?!  The Horror!!!

Posted by: Cooter at August 04, 2011 08:59 PM (C06Qq)"

I know, right?

And for the record, Perry is not talking about getting rid of super awesome prestigious educations.  He and his allies on this are recognizing that in the information age it probably should be a lot cheaper to teach willing adults.  We can use the internet and classrooms and high standards without needing $100,000. 

UT Austin and TAMU would still have prestigious programs.  Rice, Baylor, SMU wouldn't even be affected as they are private.  He would simply save the financial future of the majority of students, is all.

" In order for an amendment to pass, is must be approved by the states.  Which, you know, kinda requires the states to make a decision....

Posted by: Pilfy at August 04, 2011 07:26 PM (mbVBF)"

Bullshit.  Sorry.  If my state disagrees with a majority if states, it has to abide by the other states.  That is the very freaking opposite of federalism and limited government.  The constitution should not be used to deal with questions like that.  Let the states handle it.  Perry said he agreed with that concept.  He changed his position to one where the states decide to let the federal government control us?  I think that's a waffle for social cons.

Oh well.  This is how it works.  If I find a better candidate I will vote for him or her instead.  Right now I still like Perry.

375
Reverent Wright  Jesus Moses & Buddha vs. Perry's Pastor
Perry's job creation vs Obama's Bush's
Perry's friends vs Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn Hollywood

FIFY.

376

Posted by: Jim at August 04, 2011 06:54 PM (YwDKF)

You're the moron, moron.  In order for an amendment to pass, is must be approved by the states.  Which, you know, kinda requires the states to make a decision...

--So 75% of the states can tell the other 25% what to do?  That's not states' rights for that 25%..

377

#159

 

In other words you can't deny the truth of any of these statements.

 

Typical communist.

 

Perry was one of Gore's 1988 campaign managers.

He supports queer marriage.

He spends like a drunken sailor.

He's an amnesty supporter.

He isn't a conservative.

 

But the joke is someone like you demonstrating exactly how a community organizer operates.  Can't refute the truth? Call it a joke.

 

Something like Obama is a constitution professor-bbaaaaahahahahahhaahahaha

378

Wading through all these responses, I have not seen one fact about Cameron Todd Willingham mentioned that showed exactly what kind of guy he was.  Willingham had a record and was known as a "bad" boy.  Prior to his murder trial, he was arrested for beating his wife so badly that she miscarried. 

And let's not forget who jumped on this case with his "free murderers" movement; Barry Scheck, the very man that helped O.J. Simpson walk scott free.  Maybe old Barry is trying to rehabilitate his conscience.    Willingham went through all the appeals granted him by state law.  He lost all of them, another fact never mentioned and not something that Perry would have had any say over.  In each appeal, the death penalty was upheld and the SCOTUS refused to hear the case.  End of story.  A very bad dude was put down like the rabid dog he was.

Now, one other thing:  in 1845, when Texas became a state, state land was set aside for education to be sold off for the next two centuries in order to make ALL public education free to the citizens of Texas.  Due to mismanagement, the Democrat leadership of the past managed to squander those land sales, and now, due to Democrat leadership of the past, we pay property taxes to fund our schools.  Perry is right; professors need to teach, not hide in their offices writing research papers that are never peer reviewed or read by another living soul.

I live in Texas and I am perfectly happy with Perry's leadership.  And while there are those who say they will never vote for another Texan, damn good thing the rest of the nation doesn't feel that way about New York, Virigina, or Illinois.  But everytime a Perry article appears, the left, along with the Paulbot, come out in full force wielding the sharp knives.  Guess they think that will help Ron Paul. It won't.

379

A Texas governor cannot grant clemency for death sentence except upon the recommendation to do so by the state Board of Pardons and Paroles.  Without that he can only grant a 30 day clemency.  Perry's granted to clemency both times it's been recommended.

380 Even if there was no arson involved, if I had not tried to save my kids, I wouldn't want to live.

If there are executions, occasionally an innocent (of the specified crime) will be executed.

If there are no executions, some psychopaths will kill again, be it another prisoner (who may be innocent), a prison guard, or after release.

381 A review of the Willingham case by a board of independent investigators and attorneys as well as a separate judicial panel found that Willingham was indeed INNOCENT of all charges against him.  Perry executed an innocent man and tried to cover up the investigation that followed.

382 Hey! What an idea! The media vetting a presidential candidate. Just like they did in 2008.

383 By the way, the Texas governor can not stop an execution; only the Texas Board of Pardons and Parole can do that. Back in the teens the Texas Legislature took that power away from the governor after it was discovered he was selling pardons. Impeached him, too. So, for those of you that think the Texas governor can stop an execution, learn the facts first.

384 Ace...in Real ClearPolitics!!!

385 SURE WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF OBAMA WAS VETTED???WE WON"T BE IN ALL THIS TROUBLE.CZARS,20% UNEMPLOYMENT THE TRUE NUMBER,VAN JONES,REV WRIGHT,UNIONS,CHICAGO STYLE POLITICS,ADMITTED COMMIES IN HIS CABINET????AND THEY WANT VET PERRY ???     LOL

386 Rick Perry's policies have encouraged jobs, Obama's have destroyed jobs, & Romney's state was 47th in job growth. Texas is number 1.
Over 1,000 people are migrating to Texas everyday while they move out of CA, IL & all the liberal states.
Rick Perry balances budgets, Obama bankrupts them.
Rick Perry's executive order will go well with women voters, it will go over as compassionate. As will his signing of the Texas Dream Act, which will earn him points with Hispanic Voters. Obama has done nothing for women & Hispanic Voters.
Obama ran a dirty 2008 campaign, Rick Perry simply does not care being seen as running a dirty campaign, charges of racism will not fly, especially after nominating Wallace Jefferson & Eva Guzeman to the Texas Supreme Court.
The job market will be bad, as will the debt & unemployment will be high, all work against Obama in 2012.
Vice President Rubio. Vice President Rubio. Vice President Rubio.

387 The HIV vaccine was PROPOSED, but never ennacted.  Another "straw man" argument by the Democrat/socialists who can't up with one thing anyone wants four more years of from their President.