1

can't watch.  just ate.

2 Um.  Nice formatting job, you gimp.  Blog much?

3 Uh, what?

4

I prefer big fonts.

5 I prefer big fonts.

Word.

6 It was not a good performance for Bachmann.

7  But damn, she is one fine looking woman!

8 It was not a good performance for Bachmann.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 17, 2011 02:07 PM (nRTou)

I heard a snippet on the radio news....you're being too kind.

9 Bachmann just needs to pull out of the race.

10 I heard a snippet on the radio news....you're being too kind.

You're right, I am.  Leno pretty much destroyed her, all while being overly polite.

11 But damn, she is one fine looking woman!

Posted by: BOB NW at September 17, 2011 02:08 PM (SBFeP)

If you are attracted to a praying mantis wearing human skin, pulled taught a la Nancy Pelosi, whose eyeballs are perpetually locked in catatonic gaze, hey, Rule 34 I suppose.

12 I refuse to watch, so anyone want to tell me what Crazy Train Mk. II actually said on Leno that was so bad?

13

Kristi Noem, now there's a congresswoman.

14 But damn, she is one fine looking woman!

Posted by: BOB NW at September 17, 2011 02:08 PM (SBFeP)

Please see your eye doctor. Fire him and get another.

15

Just reading at HotAir about how Solyndra wanted money from the Bush Administration and were shocked, shocked I tell you  that they weren't immediately handed bags of money.

16 actually said on Leno that was so bad?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2011 02:13 PM (hIWe1)

High pitched noises and something about how Guardisil when given to the mentally deficient can cure the ghey.

17 Please see your eye doctor. Fire him and get another.

Posted by: Methos at September 17, 2011 02:13 PM (sOXQX)

Bob was born without eyeballs. Shame on you Methos.

18 No thanks. Bachmann is dead to me now. She's not remotely good looking enough to make up for all the stupidity and nastiness stuffed inside.

19 Speaking of big fonts, Christina Hendricks is in yet another movie. A Sarah Jessica Parker vehicle, but Hendricks busts in here and there.

20 I'm at work so I can watch the video, but no sound.

All I can tell is that it must be kinda cold in that studio, IYKWIMAITYD.

21

Space Lincoln actually traveled 3,000 miles into the past to give birth to Michelle Bachman.

TRUE FACT

22 Dr Bachmann , I presume.

23

Bachmann said that Perry admitted that he made a mistake. Did he?

24 Bob was born without eyeballs. Shame on you Methos.

One weekend comment and I have to denounce myself already(blind => dark =>you get the rest). Nuts.

25 She does, though, have a beautifully turned ankle. Hubba hubba.

26 Michelle Bachmann wanted to discourage Sarah Palin from running, so she went back in time to 2008 and brought GUARDI....ok that joke is a bit too far.

27  Did he?

Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2011 02:18 PM (F5OMl)

Yes, he made the mistake of getting into an argument with the Republican version of Jenny McCarthy, except at least Jenny had the decency to show off her only contributions to society.

28 Bachmann said that Perry admitted that he made a mistake. Did he?

On Gardasil? I think he admitted pursuing the vaccinations by executive order was a mistake. I don't think he's gone so far as to suggest the vaccination itself was a bad/useless thing (which is the underlying allegation-and I have no idea one way or the other on it).

29 I thought Leno was kinder to her than the so-called debate moderators. There is no need for desperation to drive you into the Democrat acting harpy camp.

She is off my short list now.

30

I can't watch, either.  I knew when I saw it as a featured clip on the msn splash page that it could only be damaging to the Tea Party^TM brand.  Not that I mourn her implosion.  I always said she had the crazy eye.

31 Christina Hendricks is also in drive, which is a combination (if I have this right) of a serious drama-type "real movie" and a high-voltage action-thriller with furious car chases. I'd never heard of it and now I'm seeing five star reviews with sluglines like "Believe the hype."

32

17Please see your eye doctor. Fire him and get another.

I must assume that you are a gay American. 

33 Noted Publisher's Clearing House award winner and celebrated cervical cancer survivor Professor Cornholio PhD.

34 Part 1 ends with a discussion of her mentally retarded claims.

I see what you did there.

35 So I lied -- I went and watched it.  God, she's nuts.  Leno actually was pretty good as an interviewer/

36
Okay, I'm listening.

- The trouble with Gardasil is that it gives a false sense of assurance to a young woman that she can whore around without getting an STD.

- Doubles down on the crying lady whose daughter got adolescent-onset mental retardation.

- Crony capitalism

- Abuse of executive power.

1.5 out of 4 is my score.

Part 2 starting now . . .

37 Stand back!  Dr. Bachman has prescribed the leeches?

38 She was never on my shortlist. She's been Palin-light and has attempted to slipstream into the running. She was not destroyed. She has self-destructed.

39 Don't watch Leno, still angry over what he did to Conan.

Watched the Bachman clip though and she did fine.

as regards finding the woman in tears on the video tape, maybe she doesn't want to be found.  Maybe she came up said her peace and left and would have come forward if she wanted to come forward.

but, what makes all of you think she wasn't a democratic operative.

40 Nah, her vagina doesn't have teeth, that was her face, bro.

41 that it could only be damaging to the Tea Party^TM brand. 

Posted by: Gem at September 17, 2011 02:22 PM (zw+pb)

The faster she implodes and fades the better. She is damaging to the Tea Party. She gives the MSM a dirt-filled pinata. We need the face of the TP to be more along the lines of Rubio, Johnson, DeMint and less along the lines of bug-eyed shitstarter. I was extremely uncomfortable with her behavior around Romney at the beginning of the last debate, almost like they were planning on tag-teaming Perry. Wouldn't be shocked if she pulls a Pawlenty at this point.

42

Seems likely there's videotape of this Lady In Tears.

 

Or a still photo.  Or some witnesses.  At least ONE person who was standing nearby?  Someone?  I think this calls for a Breitbart reward challenge.

43 7 But damn, she is one fine looking woman!

Posted by: BOB NW at September 17, 2011 02:08 PM (SBFeP)

Crazy Eyes Bach Mom is fine looking? Don't go there thats what she wants. Notice the red dress?  I imagine her foreign policy meetings cut short with 'I feel a migraine coming on'.

44 I have a quart of Ammo-Cat crystals here to help with the smell.

45 I'd never heard of it and now I'm seeing five star reviews with sluglines like "Believe the hype."

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2011 02:22 PM (nj1bB)

It has fast cars and Christina Hendricks. So long as the car chase scene has her in the passenger seat...and the road is very bumpy, I'm sold.

46 Give her credit for one thing. She muscled Pawlenty out of the pack.

47

Bachmann said that Perry admitted that he made a mistake. Did he?

Yes he did, which is why this bothers me. Bachmann tore into him immediately after he acknowleged his mistake and apologized. For her to continue to rip him on this issue demonstrates that she doesn't quite know enough to drop it when to do so would have been to her advantage. Sure, she's getting a lot of media attention, but it's now for the wrong reasons IMHO.

What she could have done was to praise Perry for his admission of error and then continued to pound Obama, which is what everybody in the GOP should be concentrating on. All the candidates would do well to heed Newt's call for some measure of unification against the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure who is currently fundamentally transforming the country for the worse against our will.

48 I don't believe there was a Lady In Tears.

49 Christina Hendricks is also in drive, which is a combination (if I have this right) of a serious drama-type "real movie" and a high-voltage action-thriller with furious car chases.

I'd never heard of it and now I'm seeing five star reviews with sluglines like "Believe the hype."

Huh.  They've been promoting it pretty heavily on TV; from the trailers it looked a lot like a cheesy "Transporter" type of movie. 

Usually, the number of TV advertisements for a movie is directly proportional to how badly it sucks, but that's only a general rule.  Held true for "Conan" though.  Maybe this one is an exception.

50 The Lady wept.

51 Watched Jay's interview with Jason Stratham instead.

52 Now that she has all the pro-cancer lobbyists on her side I hear she is courting Big Headwound.

53 I don't believe there was a Lady In Tears.

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2011 02:28 PM (nj1bB)

More like a Romney with a finger puppet that confused BugEyes and 'tricked her' into swallowing the story about Tardisal like one-too-many foot long corndogs...

54 Wow, did you see the second part where she cured Leno of being gay? She's a lightworker.

55 Big Headwound.

Posted by: Max Power at September 17, 2011 02:29 PM (q177U)

You owe me a new monitor and keyboard.

 

56 Leno actually asked her some pretty good questions.

57 She is feeding the Dems ammunition.

58 Drive is getting 92% on Rotten Tomatoes. Critics are idiots, but when 90+% give it very positive reviews, look, it can't be bad. Well, it could be bad, if it's about The Gays, because critics automatically give any movie about The Gays a three-star handicap. But this isn't about The Gays, it's about a getaway driver, so it at least has to be reasonably good.

59 whose eyeballs are perpetually locked in catatonic gaze,

I only noticed only one eyeball and it was squinting at me the last time we met.

60 Leno actually asked her some pretty good questions.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 17, 2011 02:32 PM (o2lIv)

Make him a "debate" moderator.

61 Gently guide her offstage and into a badly-driven limo.

62 She is feeding the Dems ammunition.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2011 02:32 PM (M9Ie6)

And the really nasty thing is, she knows this but doesn't care. Almost "if I can't win NONE OF YOU CAN!"

 

That is a late-stage side effect of Guardisil I heard though.

63

Leno was briefed well for the interview. He brought her out.  So who is Bach Mom trying to reach? Leno's audience are the same as Stewarts and Maher's

To top it all Perry's vaccine program was never implemented!!!!

64 as regards finding the woman in tears on the video tape, maybe she doesn't want to be found.  Maybe she came up said her peace and left and would have come forward if she wanted to come forward.

but, what makes all of you think she wasn't a democratic operative

It shouldn't matter if this woman was a Dem operative.  If someone told Bachmann that they were abducted by space aliens under Rick Perry's command who performed Guardisil experiments on them, would she have repeated that too?

It's possible that this woman doesn't want to be found.  Given Bachmann's penchant for makin' shit up, it's just as (if not more) likely that she invented the anecdote out of the thin air between her ears.

65

"the face of the TP to be more along the lines of Rubio, Johnson, DeMint and less along the lines of "

Yes, the MSM is eager to make Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donneld, Bachmann the face of the Tea Party, when there are others who are much more effective at it, like Johnson, Rubio, etc.  The MSM will never make the CBC the face of the democrat party, because it will damage it, but they will never help out the conservative side, as the MSM is part of the liberal base of the democrats anyways.

66

It has fast cars and Christina Hendricks. So long as the car chase scene has her in the passenger seat...and the road is very bumpy, I'm sold.

No wonder this movie has garnered your attentions...  

Here's the movie for those of you not in the know. 

67 >>>I don't believe there was a Lady In Tears.

What if it was actually a Woman In Red, like the mediocre Gene Wilder/Gilda Radner vehicle of the mid-1980s?

68 A cancer a day keeps the retard away.

69 So far every video I've found of the debate ends when Wolf signs off.  And at that point most of the candidates are still on stage shaking hands.  I'll keep looking....

70 What if it was actually a Woman In Red, like the mediocre Gene Wilder/Gilda Radner vehicle of the mid-1980s? --------------- You tasteless bastard. That was a classic.

71

What if it was actually a Woman In Red, like the mediocre Gene Wilder/Gilda Radner vehicle of the mid-1980s?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2011 02:34 PM (hIWe1)

More likely the Lady in Mirror.

72 The female co-star in Drive turns out to be Carey Mulligan, who was the stand-out guest star of that great Doctor Who episode "Blink" that you turned me on to, Ace.  Small world.

73 And the really nasty thing is, she knows this but doesn't care. Almost "if I can't win NONE OF YOU CAN!"

Did you see that link I put on the earlier thread where her, Romney, and Ron Paul are reviving Bush's SS private investment deal?

How can they attack Perry on SS and then bring that back that Bush couldn't even get GOP support for?

74 Wait, wait, this linky is probably more to the likings of Christine Hendricks fans:

30 Sexiest Christina Hendricks Moments

75 but Hendricks busts in here and there.

ISWYDT

76 39 Don't watch Leno, still angry over what he did to Conan. Watched the Bachman clip though and she did fine. as regards finding the woman in tears on the video tape, maybe she doesn't want to be found. Maybe she came up said her peace and left and would have come forward if she wanted to come forward. but, what makes all of you think she wasn't a democratic operative. Posted by: mcat at September 17, 2011 02:25 PM (k1rwm) 439 I don't agree with the vaccine, anyone I know who has gotten it has had problems. But here's a question, did Governor Perry give the vaccine to his daughters? Did President Obama give the vaccine to malia. She's past the age when they give the shot. Over the years have had plenty of schools and doctors try to force me into taking various vaccines. Each time it was a mean and nasty arguement right up to and including me not going to a particular university and getting my degree at another institution. Michelle Bachman's premise resonates with a lot of people. The very idea that you should be forced to take a vaccine for a non communicable disease is beyond reasonable. Many time "they" say there is an "opt out" but it is generally on religious grounds and if you are at a religious institution you are stuck. This isn't about guardisil, it's about republican politics. I hope it backfires but not on Michelle Bachman. Posted by: mcat at September 16, 2011 09:35 PM (k1rwm) curious.....why do you hate the gardisil vaccination?

77  I don't believe there was a Lady In Tears.

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2011 02:28 PM (nj1bB)

Edit your post and add this addendum, then you would seem more normal and less mysogological ( that is not a word )

for what its worth i agree and that is why i am trying to help you out here.

78 Michelle;  Please stop, you are making a bigger ass of yourself every time you bring this up.  The funny thing is, is that she thinks this helps her.  Not only does it hurt her it hurts Governor Palin as well.  Remeber the indies will look at MB and think of SP or vice versa.  The mystery woman?  I call bs, she did pull that one out of her ass.

79
Part 2:

- Gay marriage stance that jibes with the majority of morons (she's against it because family is foundational and that's the way it's always been). Claims "pray the gay away" is optional at her clinic, but otherwise wouldn't engage on some legitimate arguments in the gay marriage debate. Mostly a pleasant smile and "Yeah, yeah."

- A Sarah Palin run would be fine. She and Michelle are friends.

- We've got a mess in Afghanistan, our men and women in uniform are doing an outstanding job, dodging question of whether we should be in or out.

- Won't name a running mate.

My scorecard: the only two questions I'm interested in are 1 and 3. On the Afghanistan one, she dodged but then scored a hit on the broad side of the barn over there. As for the gay marriage question, I'll give her .25 for what little she did say, even though I disagree with it.

80

This is the famous Chris Matthews interview with Michelle Bachman. Look, I HATE Chris Mathews, and it's kind of painful to see him tear into one of our own, but man is this creepy. This should have put up all kinds of red flags for us.

http://tinyurl.com/24s8hga

81 - The trouble with Gardasil is that it gives a false sense of assurance to a young woman that she can whore around without getting an STD.

View held by quite a few religious conservatives

- Doubles down on the crying lady whose daughter got adolescent-onset mental retardation.

Got me there, this line of attack was her error

- Crony capitalism

See Wall Street Lurnal and Politico this week for other examples

- Abuse of executive power

Admitted.

82

Breitbart has a video up of Bill Maher making fun of Bachmann las night.

This is what many of us, including Ace I think, have been saying about this whole episode.......the Left will use this as a way to paint conservatives & the Tea Party as 'anti-science extremist loons'.

83

It shouldn't matter if this woman was a Dem operative.

I disagree. I hadn't thought about that possibility until y'all mentioned it. The fact that there's no video or pics or other evidence to back up Bachmann makes it all the more curious to me, in addition to the fact that no one seems to know her and she hasn't come forward. It seems out of character at a gathering of Tea Partiers.

If "The Crying Woman" was indeed a Dem plant, it would be great to find that out. If only we had some people whose job it was to find out about these things and maybe, oh I don't know, had their own TV show so they could inform us about it or something... 

84

I find it interesting that she thinks this helps her.  Romney's never backed down from Romneycare, saying it was a mistake, so its fair to keep attacking on that train of thought. But Perry's heart was in the right place, he admitted a mistake and moved on.  So, what is Bachmann thinking that this constant one issue attacks is going to win her points. I used to like her, but this whole thing has made me not trust her.  Perry's isn't the main person to beat, its the Messaih.  Its ok to attack the repub candidates within the bounds, but when it goes overboard, that repub/conservative side, not a particular candidate, is weakened, because think she's the rule, not the exception.

I just don't understand how she thinks this will help her win votes, it might just be desperation, but she can still have increased clout when the repub primaries end, however the approach she's taken, it will diminish her evne more.

85

"That guy from History Channel with bad hair and good weed came up to me after the debate and told me Ancient Aliens turned his wife gay, and Rick Perry supports Ancient Aliens."- Michelle Bachmann.

I only changed a few words. It does not matter if it was a Dem plant, it was an incredibly stupid extension on an already stupid line of argument.

86 >>I don't believe there was a Lady In Tears.

It just looked like a Lady.

87

62.........Almost "if I can't win NONE OF YOU CAN!"

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Yup. This is what bugs me about Bachmann and Palin....and Ron Paul.

88
The trouble with Gardasil is that it gives a false sense of assurance to a young woman that she can whore around without getting an STD.

View held by quite a few religious conservatives

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Christ almighty, that's the trouble with Gardasil? That's why girls shouldn't be vaccinated?

89 Bachmann will continue running for President even after the nominee will have already been chosen.  Her ego simply will not permit her to exit gracefully while she can (although frankly that ship has already sailed).

Watch what will happen in the next debate too, she will simply pick up right where she left off bashing Perry about needle raping little girls while mentioning her 23 kids in some fashion.  Meanwhile Romney gets to sit back and watch the show.  Beautiful.

I hope Perry loses the deer in the headlights attitude then and feeds her to the coyotes.  Then shoots the coyotes.

90 Today is the 'Day of Rage' where the leftards 'occupy' wall street for a couple of minutes or something. I think they were planning on a month long 'occupation' but, let's face it, the weed would run out long before that.
However, is there anyone who is covering this? I can't find anything except a commercially sponsored live stream.

I'll stop for a bit and let the irony of that really sink in.

So much for the lack of coverage for the 'revolution.' Anyways, I'm bored and I would like to get a sense of the train-wreck in progress. Anything?

91 Yeah is the stuff supposed to prevent cervical cancer, isn't that what it's for?

92 Rubbing Liquid Whore on a ham wallet makes it stain-repellent.

93 Sorry for being OT up there.

94
Perry's heart was in the right place

(shudder)

He's from the government and he's here to help. I really have to doubt his heart.

I truthfully don't like Bachmann or Perry.

95 ham wallet makes me choke.  Damn you, EoJ.

96 Yup. This is what bugs me about Bachmann and Palin....and Ron Paul. ______________ Bachmann? Yes. Paul? I agree. But Palin will be valuable will be valuable nationally stumping for Conservative candidates. That gal knows how to do things. Consider this: She's there is the background to remind Republican candidates to remember the Tea Party, but she's not tearing through individual campaigns. Whereas Bachmann comes off as nuts.

97 Make no mistake sir, I am a lady.

Posted by: Dame Edna at September 17, 2011 02:49 PM (Lt/Za)

Are you looking for a dance partner by any chance?

98 Perry does have his problems but they pale in comparison to some of the others.

99 Rubbing Liquid Whore on a ham wallet makes it stain-repellent.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 17, 2011 02:50 PM (AZGON)

I don't get it but I loled anyway

100 curious.....why do you hate the gardisil vaccination? Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 17, 2011 02:37 PM (eOXTH Isn't that cute! She taught her cats how to sock puppet.

101

ham wallet makes me choke.  Damn you, EoJ.

I know I'm glad people remembered that one.

102 Part 1 ends with a discussion of her mentally retarded claims. Wait... you mean her claims about the mentally retarded... or are you saying her claims are mentally retarded?

103

 - The trouble with Gardasil is that it gives a false sense of assurance to a young woman that she can whore around without getting an STD.

View held by quite a few religious conservatives

I guess it's a twofer for you, you get to  punish them with cervical cancer if they have sex anyway without getting the "free pass to whoring around" vaccine.

104 15 Mama AJ, Yup, they are desperately trying to find a way to spin this. We have him dead to rights, and frankly may have a shot at hurting the Goreons as well. Solyndra was moneylaundering payola for the DNC. EVERYONE needs to word of mouth the hell out of this.

105 Why would a woman with a potential lawsuit worth $50 and an incredible medical story to tell (which could save untold thousands from mental retardation) want to keep so quiet? And why does her passionate desire for anonymity suddenly relent at a debate, at which six or seven cameras are present? And why does this woman, who really just wants to not be discovered, shake hands with one of the women being photographed by those cameras?

106

I wonder which candidate Pat Robertson is going to support ... *candidates quickly pull t-shirts up to forehead level and run for the limos* ...

But seriously now, why-oh-why did I spend those long years keeping my father sane, as I nursed my mother 24 hours a day? I should have just ditched her on an ice floe somewhere, I guess, according to Pat. What a bazooka!

107 $50 million, I meant.

108 99 Nickie Goomba, Palin's sole utility comes from her decision on whether to hold the party together in the evnt of a Mitt win or not.

109 Didn't Leno say that there have been 30 million people get this shot and there were few side effects?

110 #89:  I agree 100%.  A woman scorned is very unappealing to most people. This has hurt her, the TEA Party and Governor Palin.  Crazy Uncle Ron is just that, a crazy old uncle that you have to put up with on special occassions and will actually draw more of the truthers away from Obama. 

111 106 - The trouble with Gardasil is that it gives a false sense of assurance to a young woman that she can whore around without getting an STD. View held by quite a few religious conservatives So those few religious conservatives are down with a an appropriate number of young little whores catching cancer as a warning to other little girls not to follow in their pussteps? Seriously, I doubt too many girls would even remember getting the shot one year later, much less what exactly it was for.

112 Seems likely there's videotape of this Lady In Tears.

Heh.  She should have said it happened somewhere there were no witnesses.

113 I would vote for Ron Paul before I would vote for Bachman.

114
$50 million, I meant.
Posted by: ace at September 17, 2011 02:57 PM

Hell, it's almost a better argument at $50. Why would someone with even a $50 argument decline to mouth off in front of a million cameras?

115 If "The Crying Woman" was indeed a Dem plant, it would be great to find that out. If only we had some people whose job it was to find out about these things and maybe, oh I don't know, had their own TV show so they could inform us about it or something...

Point is, it is 100% Bachmann's fault for relaying the anecdote.  Whether the "crying woman" story was just made up, came from an actual supporter or a Dem operative doesn't matter.

116 >>>If "The Crying Woman" was indeed a Dem plant... Are we discounting the possibility, entirely, that the Lady in Tears was a fabrication? Bachmann has made shit up before. She'll make shit up again. I think you are engaged in undue optimism here, trying to find a way in which Bachmann is the "victim" of some wheels-within-wheels Democratic conspiracy. How could the Dem plant have trusted that Bachmann would be so stupid as to parrot the claim without thinking about it for two minutes?

117 The problem with Bachmann's off the wall, going nukular rhetoric against Perry is... What will she do in the (likely) event Perry is the nominee? She's going to tell people to stay at home and not vote the Communist out? She's going to tell people to come out and vote for the guy that raped little girls with needles and turned their precious cervixes into miniature American Bandstands? I think she utterly screwed herself.

118 Seriously folks, who believes that stupid story about the "crying woman" 

Politicians lie, even the R's

119 My parents refused to give me tetanus shots when I was growing up because they were afraid it might encourage me to play around abandoned, rusting farming equipment.

120 See the "crony capitalism" and the "abuse of executive power" are both not only slams at perry but also at BO.  In that respect, it seems that Sarah and Michelle are in agreement. 

As regards the woman being a dem operative.  A lot of folks in that "tea party" audience didn't seem like tea partiers and this was the second time, according to the MSM, that death was cheered.  I find it had to believe there wasn't a contingent of dem operatives in that room to lead the cheers for death.  I can't imagine the little old ladies of the tea party cheering death in any way.  Plus, there were a couple of boos where if it was a favoring audience there may not have been boos.  It didn't feel right somehow.  If beck had run it I'm sure each person would have been vetted as a legitimate tea partier but wolfie would be sneaky enough to allow a dem in tea party clothing contingent into the room figuring n one would notice. 

Michelle, though, doesn't help herself by not being the slick politician that mitt is.  he never would have repeated the crying woman story no matter how true it was.  Michelle reacted like a woman and mother and she let her compassion rule her thoughts, not necessarily a good quality in a presidential candidate but nonetheless a typical reaction nonetheless.  And, if you were a dem operative, wouldn't you just know that Michelle was like this and might repeat the story?

121

I'm with Ace. I doubt the crying woman exists.

122 How could the Dem plant have trusted that Bachmann would be so stupid as to parrot the claim without thinking about it for two minutes?

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2011 03:01 PM (nj1bB)

Um, because it's Bachmann? There have been clues as to her daffiness for years, but as I believe you have said yourself, on the conservative blogosphere we tend not to criticize our own, because why give ammo to the real enemy?

Sadly Bachmann doesn't care if she's giving bullet after bullet to Obama, so long as she isn't the target.

123 Seriously, I doubt too many girls would even remember getting the shot one year later, much less what exactly it was for.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 17, 2011 02:59 PM (niZvt)

Well, if they received the shot they would be retarded and probably not remember getting it!

124
Seriously, I doubt too many girls would even remember getting the shot one year later, much less what exactly it was for.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 17, 2011 02:59 PM

Are you sure? I stepped on every rusty nail I could find as a kid because I had had my tetanus booster -- NOT!!!

125 119 >>>If "The Crying Woman" was indeed a Dem plant... Are we discounting the possibility, entirely, that the Lady in Tears was a fabrication? Even if she hadn't made it up, she should have known better. You don't just start to blindly repeat whatever accusation some drug addict (for all she knew) off the street mouths to you while in the throws of a bad acid trip.

126 Christ almighty, that's the trouble with Gardasil? That's why girls shouldn't be vaccinated? I think it's one of the arguments, since iirc it doesn't cover close to the majority of HPV strains.

127 My parents refused to give me tetanus shots when I was growing up because they were afraid it might encourage me to play around abandoned, rusting farming equipment.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 17, 2011 03:03 PM (nRTou)

Lockjaw builds character, and also prevents gayness, duh.

128 121 LM, And worse for our side in the short term is our claims always get a visit from the M$M proctologist....in the long term it helps prevent us from the wild overreach and excess of Ogabe and the disciples.

129

it doesn't cover close to the majority of HPV strains.

No. Only the ones that cause cervical cancer and genital warts.

130 Of course the Crying Woman exists. I just shot pecker snot all over her cervix!

131
Ha, 122 and 127, GMTA -- but damn, some GMs T Qer.

132

99..... Consider this: She's there is the background to remind Republican candidates to remember the Tea Party, but she's not tearing through individual campaigns. Whereas Bachmann comes off as nuts.

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I guess you missed Palin's attacks on Romney and Perry, in her segments on Fox. .....Palin attacked Romney for not being vocal during the debt ceiling debate, and she accused Perry of 'crony capitalism' a few minutes after the debate last Monday night.

As far as Palin being "valuable nationally stumping for Conservative candidates", that's debatable. ....With her high negatives, she could easily do as much harm as good. 

133 Retard in a Syringe exists.  They had some in the Panhandle area of San Francisco in the late 60's. 

134 >>>I think it's one of the arguments, since iirc it doesn't cover close to the majority of HPV strains. Which is ridiculous. The strains that cause cancer are the ones immunized against. No one cares about the rest of it -- HPV is an "STD" (I use that word advisedly) that 50% of the population has had. Most of them don't even KNOW they've had it, because it's trivial. That's why people are confusing it with Syphilis or the clap. They don't even realize they've actually had it. Anyway, if Gardasil did protect against the just-plain-STD-strains, the claim would be made: "SEE! This IS about letting girls have sex! You didn't just immunize against the cancer-causing strains, but against all of the strains! LIQUID WHORE IN A NEEDLE!!!"

135 129 Christ almighty, that's the trouble with Gardasil? That's why girls shouldn't be vaccinated?

I think it's one of the arguments, since iirc it doesn't cover close to the majority of HPV strains.

Gardasil is meant to confer immunity against the  HPV strains that cause the vast majority of cervical, penile, anal, and vaginal cancers:  these HPV types are type 6, 11, 16 and 18.

136 Christ almighty, that's the trouble with Gardasil? That's why girls shouldn't be vaccinated?

Yep. 

Teenagers base their decision on whether or not to have sex based on the relatively small risk of getting cancer decades later.  Long-term rational, non-impulsive thinkers, those teenagers.

Put it this way- how many of those caterwauling about Guardisil do you hear complaining about vaccinations for non-sexually transmitted diseases that have been mandatory for decades?

137 My wife, ( sho is a palinista ) told me when Bachmann glommed onto the TP label that she was up to no good at the time. Wifey was a social worker for 18 years and can really read her people. I did not take her seriously at the time, but Congresswoman Bachmann is definitely not the real deal. I know that she lives in a glass house and really should shut up about cronyism. I think that her campaign is in its death throes and she was lashing out and clawing at anything to save it, and it wasn't/isn't very pretty to watch.

138 Those videos start my cringe meter bouncing on the peg. It is really sad to find such a nice lady with her leg caught in her own bear trap while we watch the Obama velociraptors circle and drool and roll their bloodshot eyes.

139 I think if we are to have an honest discussion, capable of actual resolution and fruitful back and forth, the anti-Gardasil people have to admit their real objections. Their real objections are all about sex and the idea that this encourages promiscuity. Enough with the bullshit, the made-up claims to pretend it isn't about that. Let's talk about the real issue. No Christian should fear honesty.

140
122 My parents refused to give me tetanus shots when I was growing up because they were afraid it might encourage me to play around abandoned, rusting farming equipment.


Scary.  I never had  a tetanus shot until I sliced by entire upper arm to the bone on a broken glass window when I was was 12.  That is how I knew my parents were religious anti-science zealots.

141
I think it's one of the arguments, since iirc it doesn't cover close to the majority of HPV strains.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 17, 2011 03:04 PM

I got the impression that Michelle's objection is that it gives women the sense that they can whore around with medical impunity, as if they never heard of syphilis, AIDS, and what's that other thing -- oh yes, pregnancy.

142
Their real objections are all about sex and the idea that this encourages promiscuity.

Yup. Deb Saunders called it that way, too.

143
   Can't get too worked up here, MB was never (for me) a viable candidate.

    Now, what WOULD be interesting is for Palin to enter. THAT, I submit, would immediately cause everyone to up their game. Like her or no, she could very easily shred either Romney or Perry in a debate.

  I'll offer this for what it's worth, admittedly it is anecdotal. During numerous conversations concerning candidates, the consensus was that either Palin or Perry, and emphatically NOT Romney would be preferable. We asked those involved if their preferred candidate wasn't nominated, would they vote for the winner regardless.  You can guess that answer, I'm sure. The driving force seems to be ABO.

  Anyway, my personal take is that with either of these two, conservatism would be better served than with Romney. And that makes voting either acceptable in this corner.

  So you can disagree or disregard this--your choice. 

144 We should obviously remove the seat belt mandate. It just makes these speeders think that they can survive a car accident... O_o

145 God, I've never noticed how hot she is. Even though she's, like, 55 or something, I just want to sleep with her.

146 of course this is mcat/curious/muffy/citygal/./ / most disgusting comment in regards to gardisil...... 766 743 i'd make my kid take the vaccine Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots quaking everywhere) at September 12, 2011 10:12 PM (HhCkU) ah so you think you are raising a slut? but seriously, read all the literature, all the cases, not everything is online. then come back and tell us this again. Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:14 PM (k1rwm)

147

Don't make me break out in all CAPS people.

 

There is no "Tea Party". There is a Tea Party Movement. We are a collection of different peoples from across the country who all have some similarities of agenda. Anyone who says they are part of the "Tea Party" is lying and or trying to usurp a movement of like minded people.

 

fin

148 108 Why would a woman with a potential lawsuit worth $50 and an incredible medical story to tell (which could save untold thousands from mental retardation) want to keep so quiet?

And why does her passionate desire for anonymity suddenly relent at a debate, at which six or seven cameras are present? And why does this woman, who really just wants to not be discovered, shake hands with one of the women being photographed by those cameras?

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2011 02:56 PM (nj1bB)

Yes, to many coincidences and contradictions.

This spontaneous "emotional anecdote" is too perfect lined up with her latest campaign and fund raising theme.

Wouldn't it be a goldmine for Dr Bachmann  if this person could talk to media , even if they kept her identity secret? Why not offer her that platform?

149 19 Speaking of big fonts, Christina Hendricks is in yet another movie. A Sarah Jessica Parker vehicle, but Hendricks busts in here and there.

Posted by: CAC at September 17, 2011 02:16 PM (DwjEr)

A Sarah Jessica Parker vehicle? What producer thought that was a good idea? Nobody really wants to see a movie starring a 40 something year old women and least of all Sarah Jessica Parker. How many good movie ideas got shitcanned for this crap?

150

Their real objections are all about sex and the idea that this encourages promiscuity

 

Before I did any research into the vaccine, I was a bit worried about the scattered reports I'd heard of girls having pretty nasty reactions. (No, they weren't having late onset retardation, but they were having some neurological issues) Then I actually investigated the vaccine against all the other vaccines my kids take. They're all pretty equal. In fact, I now feel far more comfortable giving my kids the HPV vaccine than I do about the rotavirus vaccine.

If it's good for anything, this debate has made me look more closely at the vaccine and pushed me into the solidly "pro-vaccination" camp. My kids are too young for it right now, but they'll be getting it when they get within the recommended age group.

151

Yes, to many coincidences and contradictions.

This spontaneous "emotional anecdote" is too perfect lined up with her latest campaign and fund raising theme.

Wouldn't it be a goldmine for Dr Bachmann  if this person could talk to media , even if they kept her identity secret? Why not offer her that platform?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 17, 2011 03:13 PM (bAL0J)

since this meme is right out of the BO playbook I often wonder why the media doesn't track down the people who come up crying to him or whisper something in his ear during the campaign.  He's ha a lot of these anecdotes and no one has ever questioned him, not once.

152 I got the impression that Michelle's objection is that it gives women the sense that they can whore around with medical impunity, as if they never heard of syphilis, AIDS, and what's that other thing -- oh yes, pregnancy.

Good point.  If people are going to use the "we shouldn't give the Gardasil vaccine to young kids because it will only encourage them to become promiscious" reasoning, this same reasoning can be applied to so many other diseases linked to sex.  After all, most HIV cases are spread through sex/needle usage - why bother with developing drugs and vaccines against HIV, as all you are going to do is encourage risky sex/drug use? 

And it's a stupid thought to think that Garadsil is going to change the sexual habits of teenagers in any way - with all the scary STDs out there, and with the chance of teenage girls becoming pregnant, genital warts and the risk of cancer down the road seem distant compared to all those possible consequences for sex. 

153 "I guess it's a twofer for you, you get to  punish them with cervical cancer if they have sex anyway without getting the "free pass to whoring around" vaccine."

I'm not a religious conservative. My daughter received the vaccine.

People act like Bachmann is a lone wolf on this.  The fact is her views are shared by a good chunk of the party. 

You can disagree with that view but to slander them by saying they want to punish their daughters with cancer is wrong. They don't want that and you know it.

Not getting the vaccine is hardly a death sentence anyway. There are over 2 million girls born every year in the US and only 14,000 total cervical cancer cases.  30% are not caused by HPV.  You do the math, vaccine or not, the odds of getting cervical cancer are very, very long.

The vaccine is a good idea in my view.  Other people can have different views and not want to kill their daughters.

154 Ow.  Oo.  Ouch.  Oo.  Ugh.  Uh.   Oo. 

Can we bring that Weiner guy back?  Where's the damn chicken?

155 81 - The trouble with Gardasil is that it gives a false sense of assurance to a young woman that she can whore around without getting an STD.

View held by quite a few religious conservatives


By some, I would say (definitely not me). Research says it is not a cure-all, but more importantly, why are some so intent on the punishment aspect so that they make it sound like they want  girls to suffer? I feel that is an improper and unChristian response which also displays naivete about the temptations faced by today's young people.

156 Ace, I know you want to "get Bachmann" on the provable lie, that this woman doesn't exist.

Maybe she doesn't.

But it distracts from the point.

If woman doesn't exist, then the issue is Bachmann making stuff up rather than promulgating conspiratorial Jenny McCarthy theories.  If she doesn't exist, then you're merely attacking Bachmann, not providing a defense of Perry.

If she does exist, then you've blown your wad and have to deal with the fact that this woman does exist, she's ill-informed and hysterical, she has to explain whatever she meant because Bachmann didn't quote her perfectly and she has her private life ruined because she was stupid enough to talk to a presidential candidate.

157 I am the chicken!

158 All vaccines are evil because they impact viral diversity.
Humans have completely killed off the wild smallpox virus!! Several other viruses are in danger of EXTINCTION!
Ban all vaccines and anti-bodies NOW!!!

159 Goddammit, why does Leno confuse the Tea Party agenda with her family's counseling clinic & gay marriage? why didn't she straighten them out? 

He made it sound like a Tea Party thing when it's not.

160

1) she won the first straw poll

2) Perry came in and kicked her in the taint

3) she had to try something to get old mo back

4) she is failing

161 155 Mcat, They're true believers. Some dork at NPR was comparing Barack to Jesus, and not being ironic about it either. You don't tug on Superman's cape and you don't check loose theads on Obame$$iah's parables that could unravel the ga+ment of his schtick.

162 If you could vaccinate against stupid there'd be no RAT party.

163

Any of the guy-candidates who attack Bachmann are screwed.

Look what happened to Pawlenty.

It would be the same deal of Palin gets in the race.

This is terribly unfair.....but it is there. I hate this aspect of having females in politics. If they are going to be in it and throw punches....then they should expect to be punched back.

But if a male candidate punches back....he's toast.

 

164 142 I think if we are to have an honest discussion, capable of actual resolution and fruitful back and forth, the anti-Gardasil people have to admit their real objections. Hey, I didn't make any kind of editorial comment up there don't lump me in. I didn't follow the story that closely when Perry made his executive order, and vaguely remember mention of strains covered. Kratos gave a nicely detailed explanation so that now everyone here knows the truth on that point.

165 Has Bachmann ever responded to hiding behind bushes to spy on a bunch of gheys at a ghey rally?  I"m curious what her response would be.

166

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at September 17, 2011 03:20 PM (jqHOY)

You're right - vaccines cause a loss of biodiversity of viruses! 

167

Kristi Noem is great as long as she doesn't get behind the wheel of a car.

OT observation: Big story about Texas executions on the news last night. They've had hundreds of executions in the last bunch of years and nary a peep out of the MSM and suddenly a delayed execution is big fuckin' news. Shoot, the last time I heard this kind of noise was when George W. Bush was running for president. It's almost like someone from Texas is running some sort of campaign and the MSM suddenly cares about executions again. I'm probably just being silly or something.

168

How could the Dem plant have trusted that Bachmann would be so stupid as to parrot the claim without thinking about it for two minutes?

Good point, my Ewokian friend. The more we explore this, the worse it starts looking for Bachmann. She wasn't my first pick (Cain was, prior to Perry's entrance), but now I'm also of the opinion that she should withdraw.

She's not doing us Tea Partiers any favors, either. She never should've startet the TP Caucus in Congress. The power of the TP lies in not being centrally directed, with a president or head honcho for the press to kick around. like that has stopped them from presenting a false image of us as knuckle-dragging racists...

169 Because every parent's aspiration for their children in the 1950s was life in an iron lung... Bachmann 2012.

170

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2011 03:01 PM (nj1bB)

 

give me one example of Dr. Bachman making something up, hell even an example of stretching the truth will be sufficient.

171

Not seeing the necessity of spending all this energy bashing Bachmann when Jef McShitstain is still President and continues to do damage to the country because the media, like Leno, was too busy blowing Jef instead of vetting him.

172 "Enough with the bullshit, the made-up claims to pretend it isn't about that. Let's talk about the real issue"

You are already on record ("liquid whore") that the "real issue" is just irrational and the holders are pro-cancer knuckle draggers.

173 well curious...what's your agenda? you weren't for bachman anyway....you are a giuliani trump girl....you liked huntsman but didn't declare for him...so what's the deal here? and we have been calling you out on your "stories" about "anyone" you've talked to that has had the vaccine has had problems......you say you went to a great school but the better ones we have learned you couldn't go to because you wouldn't get a vaccine? which vaccine? are you you an anti vaccination person?really? if you are, bachman said on leno the only bad vaccine is the hpv one......so what do you think about that? and if you are talking to people who have gotten the vaccine are you talking to sluts?

174 163 Goddammit, why does Leno confuse the Tea Party agenda with her family's counseling clinic & gay marriage? why didn't she straighten them out? 

He made it sound like a Tea Party thing when it's not.

Posted by: jeanne at September 17, 2011 03:20 PM (U4OUd)

Yeah , why would he do such a thing....

175
Goddammit, why does Leno confuse the Tea Party agenda with her family's counseling clinic & gay marriage? why didn't she straighten them out? 

He made it sound like a Tea Party thing when it's not.
Posted by: jeanne at September 17, 2011 03:20 PM

She didn't want to answer all those ghey questions in detail. Just make the larger point about tradition and family, which most Repubs seem to agree on, and not get into the nuance and unpleasantness if she'd answered Leno's questions with any depth. "Yeah, yeah." (nodding and smiling)

176 We should obviously remove the seat belt mandate. It just makes these speeders think that they can survive a car accident...

Bad example.

There's a not-yet-contradicted (though oft mis-disputed) experiment/paper called "Seat-belt wearing and driving behavior: an instrumented-vehicle study" that shows people drive more riskily when they wear seat belts. The study was commissioned by the gubmint to figure out why even the best-complied-with seat belt law doesn't reduce total fatalities to the same degree that seat belts themselves reduce per-accident fatalities. Short answer: People put 'em on and drive all shitty.

"Risk compensation." It's science. And can be Googled.

Whether the principle applies to junk-wart vaccine...no idea. Who's gonna check? And how? You can't get honest answers on junk-related surveys. In principle, it's (probably) (marginally) whore-in-a-needle. And...so?

This story shouldn't bet be about that stupid shit, but Bachmann screwed it up (just like RAUN POL! says she did), and people enjoy hating her (she's an almost Palin-quality proxy for all kinda hatey shit), so this is what we get.

Dumbness.

177

Posted by: AmishDude at September 17, 2011 03:19 PM (73tyQ)

 

why is there a need to defend perry? he said he was wrong on this one. he has conceded a defense.

178 And it's a stupid thought to think that Garadsil is going to change the sexual habits of teenagers in any way - with all the scary STDs out there, and with the chance of teenage girls becoming pregnant, genital warts and the risk of cancer down the road seem distant compared to all those possible consequences for sex. 

What's funny is that you have no idea how kids talk or that they're ill-informed on all sorts of things.

"Hey did you get that shot?  What does it do?"

"I think it keeps you from getting AIDS."

"Really, cool. I heard it's that 5-year birth control medicine."

"That's good to know, 'cause Bobby and I are getting serious."

Ever see "Jaywalking"?

Look, it's thin gruel and really was just meant to give people a latter justification for why they went apeshit over Perry's executive order in the first place.  But it's not crazy to want to have a little talk beforehand that it won't protect girls against anything they care about being protected against, like AIDS, syphilis and pregnancy.

179 I thought Tequila was "liquid whore"?

180

I guess Bachmann didn't have her two blonde bodyguards with her after the debate the other night......or the Lady in Tears wouldn't have been able to get through.

Or maybe they are instructed to 'let all Ladies in Tears through'.

181 112 Didn't Leno say that there have been 30 million people get this shot and there were few side effects?

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2011 02:59 PM (M9Ie6)

Apparently everyone that has had a side effect is a friend of curious.

439 I don't agree with the vaccine, anyone I know who has gotten it has had problems.

182

Not seeing the necessity of spending all this energy bashing Bachmann when Jef McShitstain is still President and continues to do damage to the country because the media, like Leno, was too busy blowing Jef instead of vetting him.

Posted by: kansas at September 17, 2011 03:25 PM

Because vetting is a good idea, as you note.

183 I'm probably just being silly or something.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 17, 2011 03:24 PM (AF1jB)

I noticed that story got legs for some reason but didn't put 2 and 2 together like you did.

Good on ya!

It even had a RAAAAACIST angle to it.

184 All this vaccine hysteria makes me gag. Where were all of these women when the Army drilled both my arms with over 20 shots of whoknowswhat before I went overseas, (aside from a few debilitating tics a minor deformation or two and a little problem with my memory).

It's all good.

_{...and they told us about bad girls too} 

185 My parents wouldn't allow me to receive the Salk vaccine because 1. The sugar cube could cause childhood obesity 2. If I did get polio I could possibly be the next FDR 3. The monkey kidneys used to originally grow the virus might make me believe in evolution

186 When your engine flames out and you are just beginning to freefall, you get desperate, and that is what we are witnessing in Michelle Bachmann.  She will not die a graceful death.

She has told us from the beginning she is a fighter, and I guess that is what we are seeing.  Nasty, nasty, nasty.

Let's hope it ends soon.  The P-51 pilot that crashed appeared at the last to be attempting to avoid the crowd.  Ms. Bachmann seems to have another target in mind. 

Maybe Newsweek printed the right cover photo after all.  Sad.

187 give me one example of Dr. Bachman making something up, hell even an example of stretching the truth will be sufficient.

You're fucking kidding, right?

Here are a few among many examples.

188

I think it's one of the arguments, since iirc it doesn't cover close to the majority of HPV strains.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 17, 2011 03:04 PM (ULCdX)

It covers against 4 of the 200 known strains.  But that's 4 of the 30-40 that are transmitted as STDs.  And of those 4, Two are responsible for 70% of cervical cancers by HPV, and Two are responsible for 90% of genital warts by HPV.

189

 Hollowpoint at September 17, 2011 03:31 PM (SY2Kh)

 

hmmm, guess the "Dr Bachman" was too subtle. next time i'll hit you in the head w/ a fucking 3lb sledge.

190 I thought Tequila was "liquid whore"?

Posted by: USS Diversity at September 17, 2011 03:28 PM (aD5Kx)

Well, as the great philosopher Joe Nichols once said, "Tequila makes her clothes fall off."

191

why is there a need to defend perry? he said he was wrong on this one. he has conceded a defense.

Posted by: chas at September 17, 2011 03:27 PM (xAq1C)

He hasn't said that either the vaccine or the mandate itself was wrong, but doing it by executive order was.

192 i'm sure bachman is a very nice lady...she's wrong on this issue and you know if she just didn't go on after the debate about it...she probably would have been fine....but the whole retard thing ruined her credibility and honestly...perry admitted he was wrong....when is she going to admit she was wrong?

193 Look, it's thin gruel and really was just meant to give people a latter justification for why they went apeshit over Perry's executive order in the first place.  But it's not crazy to want to have a little talk beforehand that it won't protect girls against anything they care about being protected against, like AIDS, syphilis and pregnancy.

Point taken.

And of course, you're right about kids being ill-informed or doing stupid things anyway when there is more possible risk than benefit.

194

I got the impression that Michelle's objection is that it gives women the sense that they can whore around with medical impunity, as if they never heard of syphilis, AIDS, and what's that other thing -- oh yes, pregnancy.

Posted by: arhooley at September 17, 2011 03:10 PM (9fj+q)

Its like thinking that you shouldn't get a flu shot because you will be encouraged to mess around with the Ebola Virus.

195 hmmm, guess the "Dr Bachman" was too subtle. next time i'll hit you in the head w/ a fucking 3lb sledge.

Doh!  I missed the "Dr" part.  You got me.

I blame the mandatory polio vaccine I was forced to endure as an innocent young boy.

196 if you think this was going to protect you from everything... you are a candidate for a darwin award.....there's no inoculation for stupid.....

197 This explains why Mary was batshit borderline retarded crazy.  Tardisil.  Why else would anyone buy that many handkerchiefs?

198

Look at those REICHWING FUCKING NAZI PIECES O' SHIT trying to kill girls by denying them LIFESAVING VACCINES!

Can you imagine?

These people are just fuckin' craz....HEY, DOCTOR....WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING!?! GET AWAY FROM MY BABY WITH THAT DEATH NEEDLE! THE MEASLES VACCINE CAUSES AUTISM, YOU QUACK!

199

Posted by: AmishDude at September 17, 2011 03:34 PM (73tyQ)

he did say the mandate was wrong. he said it should have been opt in instead of opt out  http://tinyurl.com/3ewy63w

as for the vaccine being "wrong" waht do you mean by that? do you mean no one should be able to ever get it even if they want?

200 "Tequila makes her clothes fall off."  Now someone tells me.

201 OMG! SEKRET DEM OPERATIVES! EVERYWHERE!

202 got the impression that Michelle's objection is that it gives women the sense that they can whore around with medical impunity

It only works if you're a democrat

203 205 put them in you dosser (sp intentional)

204 ¹⁹⁵

^{why is there a need to defend perry? he said he was wrong on this one. he has conceded a defense.}

He hasn't said that either the vaccine or the mandate itself was wrong, but doing it by executive order was.


He is correct!  Only I can do that!!!

205
All the candidates know that a bowl of melted ice cream can win against Obumbles, so they are banking on whomever wins the R nomination will win.

The party infighting is going to be EPIC!

206 got the impression that Michelle's objection is that it gives women the sense that they can whore around with medical impunity

Probably, but you're not allowed to say that because then you're judging bad behavior and don't you dare tell me what I'm doing is bad for myself or society! Who the hell do you think you are to judge me?

207 This reminds me of the week I spent in Jamaica.  I shaved my pubes beforehand so I wouldn't have to worry about catching crabs.  Thanks to my razor, I got to spend a full week having unprotected sex with prostitutes, risk-free!

208 And to think, the only shots we required a girl to have before sex in the 1970's were tequila shots.

209 I don't know what caused it, but that Matt Millen sure sounds mentally challenged.

210
Anyway, add my vote to the Myth column for Lady in Tears. It smacks of self-delusion. "Surely, thousands out there are thinking this! If only one of them could reach me -- well, let's just say one did."

211 Does anyone else think Hollowpoint has a problem with women? I've noticed he's been attacking Palin and Bachmann over at Hot Air, too. I could see someone objecting to either one of these people, but he sures seems to relish the opportunity to spread his message far and wide.

212

Posted by: curiously tardisiled at September 17, 2011 03:39 PM (hhelp)

Heh, what an appropriate hash, . 

213
Probably, but you're not allowed to say that because then you're judging bad behavior and don't you dare tell me what I'm doing is bad for myself or society! Who the hell do you think you are to judge me?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 17, 2011 03:41 PM

Judgment is fine. Enforcing it is a different matter.

214

Dack Thrombosis at September 17, 2011 03:43 PM (AF1jB)

 

right, cause if you dont support obama you must be a racist??

 

hollowpoints attacks them as candidates not women

215 sekret dem operatives made me eat two cases of cheetos

216

All the candidates know that a bowl of melted ice cream can win against Obumbles, so they are banking on whomever wins the R nomination will win.

I don't agree.  I don't think Obama will be especially easy to beat.  The 'rats - party of superior intellect, doncha know - don't like to admit their errors, or lose.  SCoaMF or not, I'm afraid it's going to be hot and bloody.

217 Leno eviscerated Bachmann's argument. Bacmann kept moving the goalpost as Leno challenged each point until she finally settled on the crony capitalism charge, the main argument she didn't make in the debate that started the brouhaha. To equate Solyndra with Gardisil's Liquid Whore? Absurd.

Quit pressing this now, MB. You're digging a deeper hole.

218

as for the vaccine being "wrong" waht do you mean by that? do you mean no one should be able to ever get it even if they want?

Posted by: chas at September 17, 2011 03:38 PM (xAq1C)

I don't think it is.  I think the vaccine is a great idea and should be administered as early as possible.  I suppose there is risk, but there were extensive studies and it showed almost none, compared to similar treatments.

I think that parents deal with a lot of mandatory crap from the public schools and reacted in a knee-jerk way to yet another mandate, especially one that has to do with childrens' sexuality.  They got emotionally involved and when informed about it, like people are want to do, dug in.

219 Hollowpoint at September 17, 2011 03:31 PM (SY2Kh)

 

hmmm, guess the "Dr Bachman" was too subtle. next time i'll hit you in the head w/ a fucking 3lb sledge.

Posted by: chas at September 17, 2011 03:33 PM (xAq1C)

Doh! You got me too.

220 215 Does anyone else think Hollowpoint has a problem with women? I've noticed he's been attacking Palin and Bachmann over at Hot Air, too. I could see someone objecting to either one of these people, but he sures seems to relish the opportunity to spread his message far and wide.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 17, 2011 03:43 PM (AF1jB)

Eh, he's got a bit of an obsessive rage boner over attacking Palin, but I really find these claims that just because a guy is attacking a female that they don't like it means they have a problem with women.  Are we all mysonginsts for attacking Hillary?  Hell plenty have called her Shrillary and Cankles.

221 I would never allow any daughter of mine to be treated for severe acne. I mean, you really don't want to do anything to encourage the boys at that age.

222 Does anyone else think Hollowpoint has a problem with women? I've noticed he's been attacking Palin and Bachmann over at Hot Air, too. I could see someone objecting to either one of these people, but he sures seems to relish the opportunity to spread his message far and wide.

Right.  You caught me.  The excuses I've been giving about the two of them being too inexperienced, error-prone and unelectable were secret code for "I hate women".

I'd have gotten away with it too, if not for you meddling kids.  Fortunately my master woman-hating plan managed to work it's magic on the 60% of the American public who also disapprove of Palin before you busted me.

223 It doesn't matter if the Lady in Tears exists or not. Bachmann is toast as a national candidate because the way she played the story demonstrated a remarkable lack of discretion and consideration for how this would play in the media.

Someone with decent judgement would have held off on repeating this story until an aide could verify the details. At the very least, she could have told it differently and couched it in more reserved terms, using words like 'allegedly' and such. A person with her training in law should know better.

It doesn't matter if the story is a complete fabrication or has some truth to it. (A bad reaction to a vaccine could ultimately lead to brain damage, say if it caused temporary asphyxiation and oxygen deprivation but that is a very different thing than directly causing retardation.) The issue is poor judgement on the part of someone who has to know better to qualify for the office. The current office holder has not been a paragon of discretion but that is but one of the reasons we'd like to see him go.

This is same failing that brought down Newt Gingrich. He had a tendency to fall back on his academic persona and talk to the press like they were a group of admiring students hanging between classes. Big mistake. These were people seeking to destroy him and he just never got it.

224 for whatever reason you guys seem to want to think this objection to the vaccine has to do with one's faith.  I think not.  Haven't heard Bachman say that at all.   But she did get her applause when she indicated that government is overstepping its bounds.

With the news being peppered with all the allegations of wrong doing in various government agencies, what makes you guys think that the FDA is pristine.  People make those kinds of connections.  They begin to be concerned about their well being and the actions taken on their behalf.  I mean heck, you have to worry about cantaloupe now.

the whole thing with perry is if he issued an executive order that had to be overridden by the legislature in Texas then what is he capable of doing when he is the President of the United States.  The entire guardisil issue puts a crimp in his candidacy.  We already have someone willing to issue executive orders willy nilly, we don't need the republicans to provide someone else to do it.

225 This is like the airbags=risky driving, so lets put giant spikes on your steering wheel, to encourage safe driving. Some say we need to prevent people from taking viruses to protect themselves from lethal STDs -- I say we can accomplish the same thing by inventing new, ever more lethal STDs. The rise of condoms and HPV vaccines is making sex dangerously safe and consequence free, clearly we need to invent more lethal viruses to encourage safe, monogamous, missionary style, fortnightly sex as God intended us to have. We especially need new diseases that make people die in horribly, gruesome ways if they ever have butt-sex. Seriously, butt-sex is teh gross -- that's where poop comes from people! Jeebus! And not just withering and dying in agony due to HPV contracted anal cancer. That's not wrath-of-God enough to get people's attention. We need something where half your face melts off, so everybody who sees you says "Ah, she took it up the butt. Burn in hell, you dirty whore." You might say, hideously dying in disfigurement and pain is a horrible thing, but I ask you, is not butt-sex even more horrible? Again, just as a reminder, that is where poop comes from. Seriously. It's science. Google it.

226 I actually liked Bachmann before her anti-vaccine hysteria. Positioning yourself as being against science isn't smart politics. She's through.

227 214 Anyway, add my vote to the Myth column for Lady in Tears. It smacks of self-delusion. "Surely, thousands out there are thinking this! If only one of them could reach me -- well, let's just say one did."

This. Did Bachmann not realize people would question the odds of such an encounter?

228 52 Now that she has all the pro-cancer lobbyists on her side I hear she is courting Big Headwound.

Posted by: Max Power at September 17, 2011 02:29 PM (q177U)

 

She's just trying to save innocent young girls from Big Prick.

229
hahahaha @ Boston College!

230 Okay, so Michelle Bachmann is out. How about Wally Bachmann? He is one mean mutha, and a great motivator.

231 231 214 Anyway, add my vote to the Myth column for Lady in Tears. It smacks of self-delusion. "Surely, thousands out there are thinking this! If only one of them could reach me -- well, let's just say one did."

This. Did Bachmann not realize people would question the odds of such an encounter?

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 17, 2011 03:53 PM (o2lIv

I bet she wasn't thinking.  She thought she could get in an attack on Perry immediately with it and that's all.  And any thought probably considered it a one time thing that she wouldn't have to say again, and not something would bring up again and again and question.

232 Proves yet again that the worst wounds are self inflicted.

233

She's just trying to save innocent young girls from Big Prick.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at September 17, 2011 03:53 PM (nxptv)

I thought abstinence pledges already did that... then again...

Abstinence pledges leads to increased rates of buttsecks.

Nature will find a way, much like in Jurassic Park.

Or was it JurAss Gets Porked?

234 This. Did Bachmann not realize people would question the odds of such an encounter?

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 17, 2011 03:53 PM (o2lIv)

The odds aren't that low.  It stands to reason if some anti-Gardisil activist were in the audience (and why wouldn't they be?) they would gravitate to Bachmann, given what she said in the debate.

235 You might say, hideously dying in disfigurement and pain is a horrible thing, but I ask you, is not butt-sex even more horrible? Again, just as a reminder, that is where poop comes from. Seriously. It's science. Google it.

Posted by: CommitteForAButtSexFreeAmerica at September 17, 2011 03:51 PM (QcFbt)

Buttsex made Ensign resign.

TRUE FACTS.

236 >Are we all mysonginsts for attacking Hillary?  Hell plenty have called her Shrillary and Cankles.
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2011 03:48 PM (GULKT)

I don't disagree but that's kind of a straw dog example cuz while SP and MB are clearly wimmens, Hill is closer to the Chas Bono category, whatever the hell that is.

237

Posted by: CAC at September 17, 2011 03:56 PM (DwjEr)

 

I was innocently referring to pharmaceutical companies with their injection needles you dirty, dirty boy.

238 I actually liked Bachmann before her anti-vaccine hysteria. Positioning yourself as being against science isn't smart politics. She's through.

For the most part I liked her voting record, but as a Minnesotan didn't like feeling like I was obligated to defend her every time she said something stupid or flat out false.

Now she's succeeded in making every one of us who's ever made excuses for her (mine was "She means well; everybody misspeaks sometimes, including Obama") look like a gullible fool.

The fact that she was only a House rep with relatively little time in office and no major life accomplishments was enough in itself for me to discount her as a serious contender.  I pegged her candidacy as a vanity run from the beginning.

239 i am hillary's lover

240 Just reading at HotAir about how Solyndra wanted money from the Bush Administration and were shocked, shocked I tell you that they weren't immediately handed bags of money. Posted by: Mama AJ at September 17, 2011 02:14 PM (XdlcF) I wonder if that wasn't some ploy to try and make the Bush Administration look bad if they needed to: "Look, we gave out all this money to spur these great factories, but the mean ol' Bush administration had been locking the money away from them; the recession is their fault."

241
Gotta run, 'rons. As usual, it's been an enlightening and entertaining spell.

242 Why keep fucking this chicken ace?

243 You all should understand that JohnE is right. The phrase everyone here needs to learn is "moral hazard". If you think nothing bad is going to happen to you, you will take on more risk.

Take skiing. In the 1980s no-one wore helmets, except for kids, but there weren't so many injuries because people paid attention to what they were doing. Nowadays the mountainsides are full of jackasses in their expensive helmets - listening to music in them, quite often - and these idiots plow into other people injuring those other people and, still, getting hurt themselves. (Just not in the head.)

Also, take the laws that are out there to "protect pedestrians". Now you can't drive anywhere because the people who used to look both ways before crossing the street, will jog through crosswalks into 30 mph traffic. What's it to them? They know the driver will get a ticket and pay for their medical costs. Well - yeah - but some years before, they wouldn't need to deal with the insurers and the lawyers, because they knew not to jump out in front of us in the first place.

I'm leaning toward supporting the HPV virus at this stage, if it keeps those with low impulse control - read, stupid people - from breeding. The world has a lot of stupids in it as it stands. And I'm not sold it's so much better a world now, with its seven billions, than it was with just one billion.

244 I'm leaning toward supporting the HPV virus at this stage

Preach it, brother!

245 This has entered chicken-fucking territory. If not, it's only a block or two over. I don't think Bachmann is any threat to actually win or be VP. And I don't think she hurts the Repubs by staying in the race. I like her voting record. I like it a lot actually. She just occasionally says crazy, stupid shit.

246 @ 246 -- Maybe because she's a "stalking horse for Romney"? That seemed to be the consensus among the 'Nistas a few months back, anyway.

247 My parents refused to give me tetanus shots when I was growing up because they were afraid it might encourage me to play around abandoned, rusting farming equipment. -- JohnE.

since ace added it to the comments.

In NY when you go to the emergency room and you have an injury that could result at all in tetanus, they give you a tetanus shot right then and there.  I have produced my little booklet with all my shots signed by my doctor and the nurse and doctor still say "well, you have to have the tetanus shot, we'd just be more comfortable if you take it".   Ignoring the fact that I'd had one in the window of time.  

248 I'm leaning toward supporting the HPV virus at this stage, if it keeps those with low impulse control - read, stupid people - from breeding. The world has a lot of stupids in it as it stands. And I'm not sold it's so much better a world now, with its seven billions, than it was with just one billion.

Right, because it's only possible to catch HPV by doing something stupid like crossing the street without looking.

For someone with a death wish on "stupid people", you haven't thought this through very well, have you?

249 Exactly, moral hazard. Which is why everybody's butt should be surgically implanted with spikes that inject any intruder with SuperAIDS2000. This will end the scourge of sodomy once and for all. Also, what's with grounding wires in electronics? That's some weak sauce. Being electrocuted by your toaster is nature's birth control. Cull the herd baby!

250 238 The odds aren't that low.  It stands to reason if some anti-Gardisil activist were in the audience (and why wouldn't they be?) they would gravitate to Bachmann, given what she said in the debate.

A woman whose daughter suffered an unheard-of reaction to a Gardisil vaccination just happened to be in the front row?

251 249 This has entered chicken-fucking territory. If not, it's only a block or two over.

I don't think Bachmann is any threat to actually win or be VP. And I don't think she hurts the Repubs by staying in the race.

I like her voting record. I like it a lot actually. She just occasionally says crazy, stupid shit.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at September 17, 2011 04:03 PM (QcFbt)

That made sense.  So, you are obviously a racist.  Beer?

252 You in the emergency room from hungry cats tearing you up?  (Maybe doctors don't want to trust someone else's documentation.)

253 246 Why keep fucking this chicken ace?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 17, 2011 03:59 PM (h3F07)

Dr ( lawctor) Bachmann keep bringing it up.

254 Maybe because she's a "stalking horse for Romney"? That seemed to be the consensus among the 'Nistas a few months back, anyway.

Another variation on the theme being that Bachmann is running solely at the behest of the "establishment" in an attempt to discourage Palin from running.  I've seen that theory advanced more than a few times by the HA Palinista brigade.

255 I would like to thank the State of Massachusetts and the Massachusetts State Police for allowing an illegal alien to total my elderly mother's car and then be extremely hostile without any attempt to provide any semblance of comfort to her upon responding the the scene. Allowing the fucker to drive away from the scene and failing to fully complete an accident report was really nice of the lazy fucking trooper too.

256 246 Why keep fucking this chicken ace?

Why aren't you directing that same question at Bachmann ?

257 Sorry if this has been written before, but here it goes: wouldn't it make more sense for the crying mother of a recently retarded daughter to confront Perry instead? Kinda like the mother in Jaws who confronted Brody and bitch slapped him in front of a crowd because he knew there was a shark out there but didn't close the beach?  OK, back to college football...

258 /insert 100% irrelevant anecdote about life in NYC

259

246.....Why keep fucking this chicken ace?

------------

Michele Bachmann is the one doing the chicken fucking. ....Ace is just reporting on it.

It is not just Ace, either. ...Bachmann's chicken fucking has been repeatedly mentioned, all day, on the news channels today.

260 I your dick is small enough to fuck a chicken then Bachmann is the least of your troubles.

261

Right.  You caught me.  The excuses I've been giving about the two of them being too inexperienced, error-prone and unelectable were secret code for "I hate women".

I'd have gotten away with it too, if not for you meddling kids.  Fortunately my master woman-hating plan managed to work it's magic on the 60% of the American public who also disapprove of Palin before you busted me.

Well, that's fine. It just seems you're a one trick pony. Every time I stumble over one of your comments here or on Hot Air, you're beating the "Palin is unelectable" or "Bachmann is bat shit crazy" drums. Palin isn't even in the race and no one every thought Bachmann had a chance in hell. I didn't. That doesn't mean she can't run and it also shouldn't mean she's immune from criticism, which she isn't. But when your entire act consists of ragging on these women, it makes sense to wonder about your motivations.

And no, I don't automatically assume anyone who criticizes Palin or Bachmann is a misogynist. Or that you're a racist if you attack Barry. I tend to think you're a racist if you don't criticize Barry on anything because of his color...which is what the MSM does on a regular basis.

 

262 Bachmann's out.  Over.  Forgettaboutit.  The carnival barkers will still yell at you to come and see the bearded lady, but she is done.  An entertainment attraction, maybe for a little bit longer, but as a candidate, she's gone.

Let's have a new thread called "electability."  Many say we had better settle on Mittens, because Perry fucked the chicken with his Ponzi scheme talk.  I say it is that and more.

263 Speaking of big fonts, Christina Hendricks is in yet another movie. A Sarah Jessica Parker vehicle, but Hendricks busts in here and there.

ISWYDT

264 Yeah, lets have a thread called Mittens likes to cross the aisle and fuck Democrat chickens.

Plus screams at Perry for Ponzi scheme comments at the same time he calls it a criminal enterprise and tries to revive Bush's privatization scheme that the rest of the GOP would not support.

265 In NY when you go to the emergency room and you have an injury that could result at all in tetanus, they give you a tetanus shot right then and there. I have produced my little booklet with all my shots signed by my doctor and the nurse and doctor still say "well, you have to have the tetanus shot, we'd just be more comfortable if you take it". Ignoring the fact that I'd had one in the window of time. Posted by: mcat at September 17, 2011 04:08 PM (k1rwm) so what vaccination kept you from the better schools? you said you refused vaccinations......

266 essentially the perry people like to lump all Christians into one lump as though they are a herd and can't think for themselves.  So they perceive bachman as perry's only threat when it comes to the Christians. 

It's messy when you lump people into groups and make assumptions about their voting behavior.  They might surprise you and elect BO.

267 About the Lady in Tears, she could be a fabrication but I'm inclined to think she exists. There's all kinds of crazy in the world and there's all kinds of ignorant, too. Look at all the jurors who essentially wiped out OB/GYNs because they listened to John Edwards, plaintiff attorney and lying POS (BIRM). The point is, foolish (if not also emotionally unstable) people have opinions, too. And they voice them. That one would gravitate to Bachmann's intellectual argument - if not mere political club - shouldn't be surprising.

What is surprising is that Bachmann continues to state that this particular vaccine induces (or may induce) mental retardation - a charge that is, so far, provably false, not backed up by statistics and maybe not even by anecdote, and borders on scurrilous. She initiated this political battle as a threat to "innocent little girls" and morphed it to crony capitalism in about as broad and dishonest a stroke as possible while maligning Gardasil as a proxy for every "bad" vaccine ever produced. IOW, it's not only bad science by Bachmann, it's bad politics, too.

As I said, Leno was masterful. He approached the counterpoints reasonably and knowledgeably. I don't know how the uninitiated perceived that discussion, but I thought it devastating to Bachmann. She'll need to rehabilitate her argument and walk some stuff back, but I don't think she will. Bad move.

268 so what vaccination kept you from the better schools? you said you refused vaccinations......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 17, 2011 04:23 PM (eOXTH)

re read the post.  no one said anything about a "better school"...that is what you added cause you lack reading comprehension skills.

And, it's none of your business. 

269

:: aging Dr. Hollowpoint:::

You have a Thrombosis throbbing for you....Gender unknown....could be shemale.

270 All hospitals give a tetanus shot if there is ANY possibility. It is called "lawyers", that is the disease they are actually fighting.

They gave me a tetanus shot when I broke my elbow.

271 This is one big fucking distraction from vetting JEF which Leno has never done. It's the JEF, stupid.

272 Bachman is a lawyer.  If the lady in tears exists, Bachman should have gotten her name and offered to help her find an attorney.  Or offered to represent her herself.  At any rate, she should step aside now, as she is endangering the other candidates.  11th commandment and all.

273 you said you didn't get vaccinations and didn't get into good schools because of it.....so what vaccination(s).....are you just making shit up?

274 but would she vaccinate her 23 foster kids? I'm guessing no??????

275 Bachmann isn't serious. So I think she should be ignored lest she receives the attention she's desperately seeking.

Just like the troll.
_{(that's my new approach)}

276 Okay. Who the hell is John E. and from did he suddenly emerge?

277 Over the years have had plenty of schools and doctors try to force me into taking various vaccines. Each time it was a mean and nasty arguement right up to and including me not going to a particular university and getting my degree at another institution. curious, what are you talking about here?

278 It's messy when you lump people into group

except when I talk about "perry people", I mean!

279 Who the hell is John E. and from did he suddenly emerge?

Posted by: As If at September 17, 2011 04:28 PM (piMMO)

A masterful graphics guy who now generates our infographics and election maps here at AoSHQ.

280 Okay. Who the hell is John E. and from did he suddenly emerge?

I lurked for years.

281 If the lady in tears exists, Bachman should have gotten her name and offered to help her find an attorney.  Or offered to represent her herself.

She was a tax lawyer for the IRS.

282

If the lady in tears exists, Bachman should have gotten her name and offered to help her find an attorney.  Or offered to represent her herself.

Well, I'm not sure having a tax attorney represent your medical case in court is the way to go, but she could've offered her assistance regardless. A "call my office" type comment at the very least.

I like Bachmann, but I've never thought she was going to get very far in this election. I think people will be very careful about looking for leaders with actual experience in leadership (I hope) after electing King Puttz.

I can say I'm glad I didn't donate to her campaign because I've heard she robocalls your house five times a day...and I've been getting robocalls from Mike Huckabee for some reason lately (and I didn't vote for the Huck last time).

283 277 All hospitals give a tetanus shot if there is ANY possibility. It is called "lawyers", that is the disease they are actually fighting.

They gave me a tetanus shot when I broke my elbow.


Its almost like this tetanus shot thing is,over time, proven to be safe and effective.  It is probably horribly expensive for what it does though.

284 Look, I get that some of you Perry fanbois don't like her, but if you're going to take it so far that you can't even admit that she looked effing hot in these videos, you've gone overboard.

She looked downright sexy on the Tonight Show.

285 Well, that's fine. It just seems you're a one trick pony. Every time I stumble over one of your comments here or on Hot Air, you're beating the "Palin is unelectable" or "Bachmann is bat shit crazy" drums.

You mean my comments at Hot Air where every other thread devolves into a Palin thread thanks to a major infestation of rabid and delusional Palinistas?

When someone makes a comment I particularly disagree with or I find to be especially stupid, I tend to respond to it.  Adding another banal "me too" to the comment pile isn't my style.

286 There's an Op-Ed in Chi Tribune recommending that Barky step down after this first term. 

Wow. When you've lost the hometown paper.

287 She was a tax lawyer for the IRS.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2011 04:33 PM (M9Ie6)

 

So she has no soul then?

I knew there was something off about her from the beginning...

288 291 I can say I'm glad I didn't donate to her campaign because I've heard she robocalls your house five times a day...and I've been getting robocalls from Mike Huckabee for some reason lately (and I didn't vote for the Huck last time).

3 calls a day here.

289

funny how jay has on a repub to bash the front runner but havent seen any guests that could weigh in on fast & furious/gunrunner or solyandra.....

290 288 If the lady in tears exists, Bachman should have gotten her name and offered to help her find an attorney. Or offered to represent her herself.

She was a tax lawyer for the IRS.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2011 04:33 PM (M9Ie6)

 

The Lady in Tears is the kind of story that The Today Show and Good Morning America go apesh*t over. A possible future National Merit Scholar now wears a drool bib and does the Stevie Wonder head-rocking thing because of a vaccination? Ratings GOLD.  And, this woman wouldn't be mocked, it would actually be a relevant and educational segment, one that could possibly do some good, unlike the other crap that those shows feature.  But, noooooo. She's not appearing on these shows, or on any other show for that matter.  Because, she's either a plant, or she doesn't exist. 

291 didn't she work to elect carter? the reelection too? i mean right there......red flag......and before you say perry worked to elect gore......gore wasn't even close to being the worst vice president ever while carter, up until the current occupant in the white house was the worst president...and anyone going against reagan to vote for carter is a fool......

292 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

293

288..... She was a tax lawyer for the IRS.

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For the IRS? ...I thought it was the other way around....that she was a tax lawyer defending people from the IRS, from the way that she has mentioned it.

Ewww.

294 299

funny how jay has on a repub to bash the front runner but havent seen any guests that could weigh in on fast & furious/gunrunner or solyandra.....

You do know this Jay Leno we are talking about?!?

295 299 funny how jay has on a repub to bash the front runner but havent seen any guests that could weigh in on fast & furious/gunrunner or solyandra.....

Bachmann could still have made the point. She chose not to do so.

296 And steevy@302 brings everything into a single, unifying perspective. Eyes on the prize, folks.

297 When your engine flames out and you are just beginning to freefall, you get desperate

My God!  This isn't a parachute, it's a backpack!

298 well wiki says she became disillusioned with carter and worked to elect reagan in the 1980 election so i correct myself

299 from Laceys link.
likey .
but questioned this

As it happens, there is someone at hand who fits this description: Hillary Clinton . Her husband presided over a boom, she's been busy deposing dictators instead of destroying jobs, and she's never been accused of being a pushover.

300 Nope, she was a "tax collector".

301 174 give me one example of Dr. Bachman making something up, hell even an example of stretching the truth will be sufficient. Posted by: chas at September 17, 2011 03:25 PM (xAq1C) "My husband is NOT gay!!! He isn't he isn't heisn'theisn't!" There's one example.

302 wiki also says she was a tax attorney working for the irs.....so ick is right

303

You mean my comments at Hot Air where every other thread devolves into a Palin thread thanks to a major infestation of rabid and delusional Palinistas?

When someone makes a comment I particularly disagree with or I find to be especially stupid, I tend to respond to it.  Adding another banal "me too" to the comment pile isn't my style.

Again, that's fine. Just don't expect someone to not question your motivations. You want to play Leonidas at Thermopylae against the Palin hordes, that's your business.

Why do people express such concern about a possible Palin candidacy? If she wants to run, more power to her. I'll listen to what she says just like I've listened to Herman Cain, Rick Santorum, Bachmann, Romney, Perry, and Gingrich. Even Ron Paul deserves a respectful listen. Everyone running for president deserves some respect. If Palin proves herself, she'll get my vote. If she doesn't, she won't. It's this absolute terror some people have about Palin hitting the campaign trail that I don't understand.

304

Speaking of Tea Party, one is planning on Primarying crying Boner.

305

well wiki says she became disillusioned with carter and worked to elect reagan in the 1980 election so i correct myself

A TON of evangelicals supported Carter in 1976. They thought Carter was one of them and they voted for his campaign in record numbers. They turned on Jimmy the Dhimmi when he used the new Department of Education to start ordering private religious schools to kiss government ass. The result was the Moral Majority and a huge exodus to Reagan in 1980.

306 O/T, but there is a good blog called MichellesMirror(-link in my name-),that is really fun.  Everyday Motus (Michelles Mirror) gives her point of view, and I think most of you would enjoy it.

307

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 17, 2011 04:37 PM (SY2Kh)

 

your the one who keeps bringing up palin, your the one who's obsessed with her your the one who's a cultist PERRYKRISHNA1!111!!!11

308 314 Vic, Boner'll last more than four hiurs....it'll be ok.

309 PERRYKRISHNA

That's good.  I like it better than periwinkle.

310 Even Ron Paul deserves a respectful listen. Everyone running for president deserves some respect. No. Fuck that. You don't get to lie and/or spew crazy shit while seeking to represent my party and demand respect. This egotistical lying scrunt needs the fucking gong, and that right soon.

311 314 Speaking of Tea Party, one is planning on Primarying crying Boner.

If a local Tea Party wanted to even attempt a successful primary challenge here, this man is not their guy. He's running on an excellent issue (defending pro-life issues) but it is his only issue.

312 Empire of Jeff at September 17, 2011 04:56 PM

This x 1000

313 I don't agree with a lot of Michelle's opinions but she has done a lot of good for this country. 

Oh, she's not Rick Perry?  Bash away!

314 Bachmann is trying to be Perry's roadblock with this issue.  The great stop-action Lego moviemaker Keshen8 posted a new one on YouTube that shows what Perry should do.  See it here.

315 There are two people challenging my representative. Lee Terry is a piece of used toilet paper that I've been wanting to flush for years. When he first ran he promised not to serve more than two or three terms (it was an election where term limits were on the agenda). That was three or four terms ago and he's still in there. He voted for TARP, etc. too. A tea party guy ran against him in 2008 and got a respectful number of votes considering he had absolutely no money whatsoever. I think he could get tossed this year. 

316 Somebody please ask Bachmann if she'd support a vaccine that cured homosexuality.

317 321 Ms80sBabe, Heh, yeah he'll be ok....Troy doesn't want to lose the speaker.

318

Posted by: Pmzey at September 17, 2011 05:00 PM (pmzey)

 

give me some examples, hell even al franken has a piece of legislation named after him. whats bachman's signature bill?

319

Posted by: Larry Jones at September 17, 2011 05:05 PM (KTtrN)

 

change it to cures homosexuality BUT makes you retarded...

320 @ Pmzey It's not that I disagree with Bachmann's opinions, it's that I disapprove of the constant stream of conscious lies that spew out of her manpleaser every time she opens it. And they're STUPID fucking lies, to boot. Easily proven false and yet she keeps repeating them. Fuck her.

321

I've seen tons of people express support for Paul's domestic stuff. He's on shaky ground, very shaky ground, with his foreign policy stance. The problem is, if we don't get the domestic situation under control you can kiss America's presence around the world goodbye. Look what's going on in the South China Sea right now. Where's Puttz? Where's anybody to nip that in the bud? Fucking Vietnam wants America's help. Vietnam! We're going to be so impacitated with debt that it's going to be like the 1930s all over again except this time we'll be the ones sitting back and sedately watching China roll all over the region.

Will I vote for Ron Paul? No. I've heard his schtick for years and most of it won't fly. Even if he got elected he won't get much Congressional support for his proposals. We do need someone that will kick the cronies and their associated leeches back into their cage. Who is going to do that? Who is going to do that in time?

322 Chaz, ever heard of the Tea Party?

How about you look up the amounts of money she has raised and where it has gone. 

323

change it to cures homosexuality BUT makes you retarded...

Premiering this Fall on Bravo!...

324 Empire of Jeff, I agree she has said some dumb things (even doubling down on them) but why do we have to treat conservatives (that aren't Rick Perry) like the Daily Kos does?

325 The problems with Perry's positions / actions:
1. Attempted to to implement a government vaccination mandate for girls for a disease that is not even communicable in a school setting.
2. Used an EO to accomplish #1.
3. Is suspected of being motivated in both 1 & 2 by his connections to Merck.
4. The only reason Perry failed to implement his EO was that the Texas legislature overruled him over his objections. Perry went as far as to say that the legislature had no right to overrule his EO.
5. His so-called admission of error is dishonest in and of itself. He now makes the claim that he realizes it was a mistake to go the EO route, and that instead he should have went to the legislature. He fails to mention that not only did he not go to the legislature, at the time he claimed they had no right to speak on the issue. His relationship with Heather Burcham, which was subsequent to all of his wrongdoing on this issue, looks self-serving in the extreme. He is attempting to get sympathy for his mistakes by claiming his heart was in the right place.

Government has no business forcing vaccinations on anybody. This applies no matter how the mandate is implemented. Yes, someone acting like they are the fucking King of Texas is even worse than if the mandate gets enacted through the legislative process, but it is still something that the government should stay out of.

People who want to get themselves or their children vaccinated should be free to make that decision as they see fit.

Disclaimers:
1. I am not a Bachman fan. Usually, she votes the way that I would want my representative to vote, but I have always gotten an inauthentic vibe from her. I am happy to have her where she is, but I do not think she would make a good POTUS.
2. I have nothing against vaccinations. I just don't want the government making the decision on my behalf. This attitude on my part applies to almost all aspects of my life.

326

323..... Oh, she's not Rick Perry? Bash away!

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Perry is the one that she is bashing. ....She is even making shit up to bash him with.

Perry won't bash her back, because Bachmann is a girl.  Eagle scouts don't attack girls.

Bachmann has brought this bashing on, by engaging in bashing first.

"Don't start nuthin....Won't be nuthin"  ~origin unknown, but words to live by.

327 327 321 Ms80sBabe,

Heh, yeah he'll be ok....Troy doesn't want to lose the speaker.


It is not the first time he has been primaried, either-- which is not unusual in the political world. Someone even talked about primarying Jeff Flake this year, and he (Flake) is running for Kyl's seat.

328 "Eagle scouts don't attack girls."  lulz 

Do they attack black men? 

329 "Don't start nuthin....Won't be nuthin"  ~origin unknown, but words to live by.

Will Smith, MIB. At least that's the first place I heard it.

330

335 "Government has no business forcing vaccinations on anybody."

Yes! We should all be free to move about the country, spreading whatever we're carrying. It's no ones business but our own. The gov'mnt should stay the hell out of it!

331

Posted by: Pmzey at September 17, 2011 05:10 PM (pmzey)

 

i didnt ask about her fundraising, i asked about her actual accomplishments taht directly effect the lives of our countrymen. fundraising is so tangential to that it means nothing. if she wasnt raising that money someone else would be. she has tried to co-opt the tea party for her own ends.

332 why do we have to treat conservatives (that aren't Rick Perry) like the Daily Kos does? I'm judging her by the things she says and does. It has nothing to do with Perry. Regardless of who these lies were aimed at, shea's pissing away her claim to the "conservative" brand. Just like Ron Paul and his lunacy. You don't deserve respect because you claim you're a Republican, or a conservative, or a Tea Partier - which means whatever the fuck you want it to mean. I'm observing her actions and observing them to be self-serving, ineffectual and fucking STUPID. It's time to burn this fucking tick off our ass.

333

Again, that's fine. Just don't expect someone to not question your motivations. You want to play Leonidas at Thermopylae against the Palin hordes, that's your business.

Why do people express such concern about a possible Palin candidacy? If she wants to run, more power to her. I'll listen to what she says just like I've listened to Herman Cain, Rick Santorum, Bachmann, Romney, Perry, and Gingrich. Even Ron Paul deserves a respectful listen. Everyone running for president deserves some respect. If Palin proves herself, she'll get my vote. If she doesn't, she won't. It's this absolute terror some people have about Palin --hitting the campaign trail that I don't understand.

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I agree with you here to a large extent. ACE tends to go overboard wrt Palin and Bachman. However, I will give ACE the benefit of the doubt here that he wants to defeat Obama. So maybe his rationale is not to divide the conservative voting block with too many "unelectable" candidates.

All that being said, my problem with ACE 's approach is that it will antagonize more people on our side. Perry is my man now. I am concerned about his performance and electoral chance as any supporter would. Romney 's SS demagoguery is the worst in my opinion. Politics is not bean-bag, but this is liberal demagoguery in a Republican primary. I considered Romney an establishment candidate. So this may be another example of the establishment trying to sabotage Perry (Karl Rove started this train). Given my strong "bias" against the establishment, I was tempted to sit out or just vote for Romney as the lesser of the two evils (no time or money) if Romney is the nominee. If Romney pulls this SS stunt again, he is dead to me in that sense. Rush Limbaugh called Romney out, but he still tried to point out that Romney is much more presidential now and will be vastly better than Obama.

Bachman was stupid here in her attack against Perry. It gave the left an excuse to distract from the grave display of Obama 's stupidity. Palin irked me with her crony capitalism charge against Perry. That 's a valid criticism on her part. But I value her for her charge against Obama and the left. The establishment will bring that out against Perry in any case. It is good now that she directed to the obvious cronyism of Obama regime.

Perry played the race card wrt immigration (not caring about the last name etc...). So I was disappointed in that myself. However, this is one area I can tolerate some pandering to the Hispanics voter. I am trying to be transparent here. I want to dislodge Obama from the WH. So this attack against Perry may actually help him with the Hispanic community in general. I don't expect them to vote for Perry or Rep in droves. But any softening of their support for Obama and the left would be welcoming.

 

 

 

334 340

335 "Government has no business forcing vaccinations on anybody."

Yes! We should all be free to move about the country, spreading whatever we're carrying. It's no ones business but our own. The gov'mnt should stay the hell out of it!

Posted by: Typhoid Mary at September 17, 2011 05:24 PM (sI+pp)

Vaccinations protect against the disease in question, right. So, those who want to be protected can get vaccinated. Those that don't, well, they took the risk for themselves. If someone does pass the disease to them, they can blame themselves for their own decision not to get vaccinated.

335

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 17, 2011 05:14 PM (3rTxy)

 

1.       Not a mandate, had an opt-out,

2.       Texas law allows a governor to use an EO to do this type of thing, it allows the legislature to vote against it. system worked.

3.       No evidence whatsoever. Every politician would be suspect if this standard applies across the board

4.       Once again, the system worked. As for Perry saying the legislature had no right, he disagreed as to the extent of their powers. Happens all the time in govÂ’t. he must have come around since he didnÂ’t challenge it.

5.       Well at least his tear eyed woman exists.

 

disclaimer: i am a perry supporter, financially and otherwise. this gardasil issue is a non-starter. but if y'all continue to hammer it fine w/ me. hurts bachman more by making her look crazy-ass.

336 If someone does pass the disease to them, they can blame themselves for their own decision not to get vaccinated. You don't have even a nodding acquaintance with anything resembling medical knowledge, do you?

337

Posted by: Pmzey at September 17, 2011 05:12 PM (pmzey)

 

isnt bachman's attack on perry a kos style attack?? not that "she started" is a defense. she very likely lied and made up a person and an effect of a vaccine. that type of thing needs to be answered and ridiculed, it has no place in the republican primary.

338 I stand with Andy McCarthy.
http://tinyurl.com/44hv5jb
Always have. Always will.

339 340 335 "Government has no business forcing vaccinations on anybody."

Yes! We should all be free to move about the country, spreading whatever we're carrying. It's no ones business but our own. The gov'mnt should stay the hell out of it!

Posted by: Typhoid Mary at September 17, 2011 05:24 PM (sI+pp)

Props on the reference/sock.

340 I fart in the general direction of your vaccine theories.

341

338..... "Eagle scouts don't attack girls." lulz

Do they attack black men?

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Are you implying that Perry might be squeamish about going after Obama?

He's already doing that. ...Perry basically called him a "Socialist" in an interview with Mark Halperin this week for Time magazine....Something that Romney and the other candidates have been reluctant to do. 

342 This place is getting more Kos like every freakin' day.  Hyperbole we much!

343

"Props on the reference/sock."

Thanks. 

344 353 With the general vaccine debate, I often wonder what would happen nowadays if there was still a need for forced quarantine.

345 @351 No, I'm pointing out that it's a bogus argument.  Unless you think Ricky Perry is a sexist.  Is that what you were pointing out?

346 Romney will be the nominee.  This thread confirms it!  lol

347 346 If someone does pass the disease to them, they can blame themselves for their own decision not to get vaccinated.

You don't have even a nodding acquaintance with anything resembling medical knowledge, do you?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 17, 2011 05:31 PM (z/Mo

Why don't you explain it to me, genius? And while your at it, make sure to include in your theories the reality that there are no mandates outside of school, and those can be avoided by home schoolers. 

348 It's time to really start attacking Romney so when he is the nominee everyone (including conservatives) will hate him and we can use the phrase "hold my nose and vote" knowing he isn't much different than Perry.  If we lose we can blame it on burnout from 2010.  This plan is flawless!

349

354..... With the general vaccine debate, I often wonder what would happen nowadays if there was still a need for forced quarantine.

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You mean if there were....for example.....an incoming airline flight carrying a new bio-threat?

We'd be screwed. 

Haven't seen that new Movie [Matt Damon, Gweneth P] that just came out, about some sort of raging killer virus....but I would imagine it is pretty sobering. The whole idea of it is scary.

350 356 You're not making much sense Pmzey.

351 280 you said you didn't get vaccinations and didn't get into good schools because of it.....so what vaccination(s).....are you just making shit up?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 17, 2011 04:27 PM (eOXTH)

Nope, you are "making shit up".  but then again, you are so jealous of me and my life in New York you can't help yourself but attack me at every chance you get.  And, to think you have that lavish lifestyle in old arizonia with the kiddies and the hubby and a closet what?  ten times the size of my presumed dinky little apartment.

I got into schools just fine thank you, which is more than you can say, dear.

You might want to engage in a little self examination as to why you can't control yourself when it comes to attacking me.  More and more to me you sound like a paid perry poster.

352 @ 362  My humor might not translate but I think it makes sense if you come to this site a lot.  This is the basic plan.

1.  Step one:  Attack all conservatives who aren't Perry.
2.  Step two:  Ridicule people who aren't as in love with Perry as yourself.
3. ????
4. PROFIT!!!

353 Don't forget that 77% of the Morons support Perry and almost NONE support Romney.

354 @ 365  That's why we need to attack attack attack!

355

361 354 You mean if there were....for example.....an incoming airline flight carrying a new bio-threat?

We'd be screwed. 

Haven't seen that new Movie [Matt Damon, Gweneth P] that just came out, about some sort of raging killer virus....but I would imagine it is pretty sobering. The whole idea of it is scary.

We started quarantining people here back in the late 1600s. You were either quarantined in your house or later in a quarantine hospital. Also, any ships with infectious passengers were detained in the harbor. They did not ask for your permission before taking action.

356

Perry's heart was in the right place

(shudder)

He's from the government and he's here to help. I really have to doubt his heart.

I truthfully don't like Bachmann or Perry.

 

It's interesting to watch the Perry partisans act like a bunch of hyenas. Not only by attacking Bachmann's exaggerations to drive the possible competition out of the race, but also by rationalizing Perry's abuse of executive power and possible corruption.

I'm actually open to Perry as the best (electable) Conservative candidate, but his supporters are getting as creepy as the worst of the other candidates'. This is the time to force him to the right, not go easy on him. (I.e., he is an open borders guy, a la Bush.) 

357 My Perry partisanship has so far extended to shrugging my shoulders with a sigh and saying "ok", so you can shut up about that. His overreach has an advantage - he's admitted it. He was called on it and reckoned with it and had to revisit his decision and admitted how and why he was wrong. If a roughly analogous situation arises in the future he has experience and the wisdom gained from that to guide him. Compare that with the utterly contemptible fool that is Bachmann. She can't even make the GOOD arguments, the rational arguments, that exist in plenty against a government mandate of Gardisil, especially any without an easy opt out. SHE RUINS EVERYTHING and can't learn from it. It's not the competition of Bachmann I ever wanted out of the race, it's Bachmann I wanted out. She was always bad news, bad for the brand. To know her was to wish her away from any idea or candidate I might want to sell to the county. She has such an utter contempt for the great priniciples she decided to take tailcoat ride on she couldn't be bothered to understand them or their history. That, or she is just stupid and shallow and is too weak minded to even know it. She's a lightweight. So blow her off already.

358 Took me time to read all the comments, but I really enjoyed the article. It proved to be Very helpful to me and I am sure to all the commenters here! ItÂ’s always nice when you can not only be informed, but also entertained!

359 Only a truly demented Pawlenty supporter could post something like this.

360 I figured it out.  The woman that talked to Bachman was Curious's mother!

361

The trouble with Gardasil is that it gives a false sense of assurance to a young woman that she can whore around without getting an STD.
View held by quite a few religious conservativesPosted by: Bob from Ohio at September 17, 2011 02:40 PM

I consider myself very socially conservative and fairly "religious" - haven't missed Church on Sunday in YEARS.  I practically live at my Church.

I did a quick inquiry to my friends - most of them less conservative than me politically but just as "religious" - and the only problem any one of them had was about the "mandatory" nature of it.  When I explained the opt-out they were all like, "why the heck is this even an issue then?"

Just a bit anecdotal evidence but these are Moms VERY involved in every  aspect of their daughters' lives.

Just an fyi >

362 Don't worry about troubling executive orders or illegal immigration/free tuition being a 'state's rights' issue, instead look over there at those idiots Palin and Bachmann!!!

363 I don't watch Leno any more so I was pleased to see that he had some good questions. The audience seemed fair minded also.

364 My opinion about Bachman aside, Has anyone ever noticed when a Republican is on a late night show, the topic is 80% wedge politics, but when a Democrat is on the show, it's a fluff talk, maybe 10% fluff politics? Gotta make it look like the marxists are just like you and me......

365 and Thomas Sabo to meet your demand.And we aslo owned the beautiful and influential Posted by: faddystore at September 17, 2011 11:20 PM (xXq4d)