1 the countryÂ’s at a very perilous point arithmetically.


Oh, well that's all right then.  No need to second guess the President.

2 And hey, what about Syria?  And Iran?  I guess the MSM  PR machine didn't want to open that can of worms.

3 He is not going to be at the debate on Thursday. But, as I posted in the HL thread, not many of the candidates will be there.

4 He seems like a good guy but I've never taken him as anything but a default candidate for President; and those always work out so well ::rolleyes::

5 Mitch Daniels has been a non-starter all along. I wish more Republicans/conservatives would figure this out. He wants to be some other president's budget director (he'd likely say yes if Obama asked him), not president.

The GOP gave Obama a pass in 2008 by nominating someone who didn't really want to win (and be saddled throughout history as "the white guy who beat the first black guy with a real shot at winning the presidency). In fact, it nominated someone who seemed to be perfectly okay with his surrogates slapping around his VP nominee every time she made noises like she actually wanted to beat Obama-Biden instead of just "lose honorably".

Could we please, in 2012, at *least* nominate someone who seems vaguely interested in beating the Vacationer-in-Chief? Would that be too much to ask of the Grand Olde Stupid Party?

6

Wow...that was superb mediocrity. I'm so apathetic now about the Republican candidates. Only one is really sticking out for me, and that's Herman Cain. Met him and spoken with him a few times. He would not give the uber-mediocre answers we're seeing from the current crop of Republican candidate FAIL right now...

Leave it to the GOP to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Jugears is completely weak as a candidate. Anyone can see that. 2012 will be the Republicans' to lose, not Obomba's to win...

UGH....

7 >>Why might he run? “I believe the country’s at a very perilous point arithmetically.

Ya, I believe the most recent tests indicated about a 4th grade level, which put us 78th I believe.
But we lead in putting condoms on bananas, which is why we have very few banana trees, obviously.

8 C'mon you fucking dwarf, get some balls already.

9 There is a point when a studious, considered demeanor just becomes a "see how deep I am" pose.  Daniels has passed that point.  Pity.  I liked him to begin with.

10 From the Fox article about tomorrow's debates:

First hereÂ’s a list of the candidates who will be suiting up and appearing on the field: Tim Pawlenty, Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain and Gary Johnson.

Not a promising showing. Yesterday there were rumors that Romney was going to skip SC.

11 OT:

Ruh-roh, so much for the "iconic" picture:

BBCBreaking: CIA director Leon Panetta: President Obama did not see the shooting of Osama Bin Laden on a live video feed

12 I am tired and freezing from my long comment about Ulsterman in the waterboarding thread. 

Daniels seemed to make a good governor.  His CPAC speech was maybe the most solid.  He is a bit boring not interesting enough to draw heavy moderates.  He wont really fire up conservatives.  The left will get fired up after their media has cartooned him into a puppy eating rapist.

In our "republic in name only" Daniels would probably make a solid competent  president (firs time since Bush43)  but would definitely lose the battle with the media and would probably lose the election.   Republicans have to have someone that can hold their own with the media.  Not surrender over like Bush did in non-election years.

13 I really wanted to like this guy.  T-Paw is looking better and better.

14 So you want him to say Obama is doing things wrong in Afghanistan?  You want us to pull out?  Is that it?

Or, you want him to just say whatever Obama is doing, he's against it?

Mitch Daniels has done a good job in Indiana.. we get to hear him on Chicago radio talk shows and I've always liked him well enough.  But he sure doesn't have the fire in his belly for the job of President.

We are truly boned in 2012 with that group.

15 sorry meant Pappa Bush not W.

16 Actually pushing for 'courageous restraint' in Afghanistan, being silent on Iran,while loud on Egypt, putting Israel's settlements at he top of the agenda, instead of the former issues, restricting the use of CIA interrogators,knuckling under to the Russians, on New START.those are just a few points of divergence I could think about.

17
Fiscal responsibility fits right in to Daniels' reputation as a proud skinflint. As a Capitol Hill staffer, he once fished quarters out of the toilet of a local bar just to prove how cheap he could be.

NPR



Now, try and picture -- say Ronald Reagan or Teddy Roosevelt doing this.

Mitch Daniels - 5'7'' of gamma-male

18 Usually you have to wait for the opposition to tell you a candidate is clueless, weak and dithering. That's why I love Mitch Daniels' efficiency - he eliminates the middle man and passes the savings on to you! Dipshit.

19 if he was really a fiscal con he'd of committed seppuku after being Bush's budget director.

20 Well, yeah.  But foreign policy is not going to win the 2012 election.  Domestic policies will.

Energy independence. Jobs (which energy independence helps with). Federal budget deficit and long-term debt.  If we had a well-spoken candidate who could hit Obama hard on those subjects, we could win.  (Palin could.. but she turns off 2 voters for every one voter she gets fired up.. so.. boned)

21 Who else is there?

22 His foreign policy here in Indiana has been far from stellar as well. Mexicans, Guatamalens, Honduarans, all think they have a right to be singing "On the Banks of the Wabash".

23 I do hold his former cap'n'trade stance against him, but at least he's publicly apologized for it.

Has he utterly repudiated it or did he make a statement like Barbour?  It will be interesting to see if Fox asks him about it tomorrow. Of course Fox is all over that AGW scam so they may not ask him.

24 Posted by: D'oh! Bamma
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I didn't know that.  I figured Illinois was probably the worst in the midwest.. Out here in the far western burbs of Chicago, it seems every other person is non-English speaking.. and the majority of that is Spanish.  Grocerias and Supermercados are popping up like crazy...  good selection of tortillas though!

25 Here is what he said on Meet The Press in his famous flip-flop:

The climate is obviously changing, David. The more interesting question is how much of it is man-made and how much is as a result of natural causes and patterns. Of course, we have seen data manipulation and controversy, or at least debate within the scientific community. . . . And the way you address it is we should all be in favor of reducing pollution. We need to do it in ways that donÂ’t burden the economy. Cap and trade, I think, would be a disaster in that regard.

It sounds like he was still trying to hedge his bets.

26 The reason why Harding picked Coolidge, was because he showed his metal in the 1919 police strike, which Lehane has romanticized in 'Give Us this DAy' Daniels failed that test, earlier this year, inspiring a whole newcrop of 'fleebaggers'

27
Daniels, like former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson, excites a conspicuous crowd of younger, isolationist, libertarian conservatives who dream of a conservative movement without its messy insistence on defense and foreign policy. That, combined with his call for a “truce” on social issues, gives Daniels’ enormous sex appeal to the isolationist-libertarian set.

Dailycaller



This is something I noticed the other day.  Outside of Indianans supporting the hometown favorite, a lot of Daniels' backers do seem to be of a libertarian bent.

28 He's a wonk.

One of the nice things about Bush, at least in the early years, is that I knew what the hell he was trying to say. Reagan was a master at this. I don't need or want a president whose words must be parsed.

29 Mitch Daniels?

Please, a flag in the breeze doesn't change directions as often as he does and actually stands for something unlike his wishy washy positions.

30 Everyone should be hedging their bets, vic.  The data is inconclusive.  The planet is warmer than it was a century ago.  We just don't know if we are causing any of it.

The prudent approach would be to start using less fossil fuels where it is economically feasible, or switch to natural gas which also may take us off of foreign oil.

As far as electricity goes, we should be building more nuclear power plants - clean, cheap electricity rather than spewing tons of coal crap into the air - not because of CO2, but because it's crap going into our air!  Less CO2 may be an advantage if it turns out it is causing warming/climate change.  We don;t have to buy into the whole AGW story to make intelligent prudent choices.

31 Looking at T-Paw "on the issues" they rate him as barely conservative near the "populist" box. He has never been a member of congress so he has no ACU rating.

32 Everyone should be hedging their bets, vic.  The data is inconclusive.  The planet is warmer than it was a century ago.  We just don't know if we are causing any of it.

BFS, the entire AGW scam is a massive fraud and everyone associated with it should be in jail.

33 I like, if not love Ricochet.com (especially their podcasts), but their advocacy of Daniels for President jumped the shark a few months agom, and is now pathetic.

34 Good, drop the Hell out then, Mitch.  The last thing we need this election cycle is another squish.

35 You wingnuts are only hearing one side!  What's his stance on the 9-11 attacks, re: "fire can't melt steel?"  That's a position that really matters today.

36 I am a Hoosier,  and Daniels has been a great governor.

However,  I do not think he will run.  His family seems to be reluctant,  not to mention that he doesn't seem enthused.  I think a lot of his talk is simply to get people to pay attention to the deficit and debt,   which he does care about.

I don't like all of this public mulling about whether or not to run.  And this style of "maybe yes-maybe no" running reminds me of Fred Thompson's ill-fated campaign.

We need people who will speak plainly and take on the democrats with a warrior's heart.  Daniels is just not that type of campaigner.  He was very successful taking an RV through the small towns of Indiana,  but you cannot do that on a national level.
He's an accountant at heart,  and that's ok,  but it's not presidential material.

37 Posted by: dagny
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Wow.. just wow!

38

http://tinyurl.com/3j462z6

Posted by: dagny at May 04, 2011 08:22 AM (xFzMV)

I can't speak to it's probable veracity, but damn....it's good!  I hope to God it's true and starts making it out from under the covers.

This one from Apr. 28th is good too.

http://tinyurl.com/3br6o2y

39 I'd vote for Elmer Fudd over Barack Obama, so if Daniels ends up the nominee I'd vote for him.  But I wouldn't like it.  Of all the candidates, he's one that really makes me want to hurl.  There is nothing worse than a short, balding, man.  Nothing.  I have never met one who wasn't insecure, petty, and mean.  They have all been thin skinned and defensive.  In my 30 years as a woman in a technical field dominated by men, the only men who have ever given me a hard time were all short and balding.  Short doesn't seem to matter.  Balding doesn't seem to matter.  But short and balding is a deadly combination. 

40 Daniels? T-Paw? Hope it ain't rainin' Election Day.

41 It's not a debate when both parties agree.   Daniels is a RINO.   Sorry, but it's fact.

42 Mush Daniels, you're fired!

43

When asked if he was ready to debate President Obama on foreign policy, Daniels said "Probably not."

So he gets points for candor, I guess, but you know what would be better than a candidate with candor? A candidate who has candor AND is prepared to take on the President.

--

Holy crap! What's in those rubber chicken dinners our pols eat? 

'Reminds me of moronic McCain making a point of saying he wasn't particularly well-versed in economic policy.  

Can we get on with drafting Ryan, please? 

44 >>Posted by: dagny at May 04, 2011 08:22 AM (xFzMV)

It seems to fit neatly with everything that's come out up o this point.
The degree with which that communist prune Jarret wields influence going forward will do much to verify the HC/VJ power struggle's central importance here.
If this is true and comes out:

There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so.  President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.-------------
The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama.  Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position.  This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. 
If this is made clear to voters it will be lethal to his re-election.

45 I'm surprised at how trollish and grossly uninformed these comments are about who and what Daniels is. Daniels will be our 2012 nominee. And Haley Barbour will be his VP. The only alternative is letting Romney play the long game and win via last-time's-guy. IOW, a Dole or McCain with a timid and unappealing campaign. And who still won't even declare a candidacy. Mitch Daniels is almost always the smartest guy in the room in any room he happens to be in. The very careful way he measures his words reveal an extremely disciplined candidate. And his legislative accomplishments in Indiana are probably the finest record of any governor in either party in the last century. Mitch Daniels is not just some budget director from the Bush era. He has a very deep resume and he has the support of many key factions in the GOP. When you read stories about Huckster not being able to get the big money donors to support him, it's because Daniels isn't in yet. Barbour's money machine will go to Daniels so he won't have to fundraise. And Daniels will have the support of most GOP governors, especially in the crucial industrial Midwest states which will decide the 2012 election. Governors in these states are all following the Daniels template. Daniels will declare his candidacy in the next ten days, no exploratory committee. And he will hit the ground running. His campaign machine and staff are all in place. And he'll have a nice showcase for his record when Indiana coincidentally hosts the 2012 Superbowl.

46 That dagny link is very revealing. It has the "feeling of truth" to it but we will probably never know. My question is how do we get people like Valerie Jarrett in government without Senate confirmation? Not that the Repubs would ever put up significant opposition to ant communist nominee.

47

I abhor Hillary, but I do think she has balls. Somebody else's in a lockbox, but still balls.

Posted by: dagny at May 04, 2011 08:45 AM (xFzMV)

I agreed. 

It looks like Jarrett has met her match in Daley though....along with Hillary! and Panetta. 

Notice Jarrett was in the "infamous" situation room picture.  I have visions of Panetta leaning against the door to keep her out and jamming a chair under the doorknob.

48 Wow, you mean math won't win you the WH? Somebody should tell ACE. A country is more than a budget. I know this is crazy talk to the "fiscal" conservatives. Seems a country is made up of those things known as humans. It is know that human's have individual pyche's and when combined over time develop a thing known as an archetype with respect to their nation of origin. Maybe we should look for a candidate that radiates what most of us would agree is the American archetype? Goober is just sayin.

49 Holy crap! What's in those rubber chicken dinners our pols eat?

I was intially in favor of Daniels and he was on my short list. But he has made a lot od stupid statements and has taken some "anti-conservative" positions of late.

The last one supporting the Dems in WI who skipped town was too far for me.

50 "Mr. Truce on Social Issues is still not ready for primetime." His idea of a "truce" is to be the first governor to sign a bill to defund Planned Barrenhood. It includes a ban on abortion after the 20th week, a real hand grenade lobbed at the abortion lobby because they fear that advances in embryology will compel the Court to uphold the 20-week ban and it will then spread to more states. Mitch the Ratstabber walks softly and carries a big stick.

51

The Ruling Class does NOT want a strong, Reaganesque candidate to win. The public is finlly 'getting it' and ready to take scalps in 2012. The RINOs running the GOP will ensure once again that we have some Demoncrat Lite candidate so that Barry can win and they can maintain power.

Sick, but true. Ameica is in its death throes. If we're luck we'll become Greece. Otherwise study up on Zimbabwe; we're next.

52 Geez....I need more coffee

I Agree...not agreed

and Jarrett WASN'T in the picture.

OY!

53 I think Miss Marple nailed it. 

54

Yeah, God forbid we have a President who actually thinks things through before opening his mouth, and who takes time to think about how the 48% who didn't vote for him see things.

Look at the man's record before you pronounce him unserious.

55 Mitch Daniels-not only is he classy enough to respect our President, he's also willing to talk about his success as OMB director under the successful presidency of George W. Bush.

56

...to Panetta being the one to release the photos---or not---wanna bet he's in a fight with Jarrett---to the tone of the speech which seemed recalcitrant to me. He didn't seem to want to be saying what he said--seemed almost defiant.

Posted by: dagny at May 04, 2011 08:51 AM (xFzMV)

According to Drudge's headline it's Gates and Hillary that don't want the pics released.

57 to the tone of the speech which seemed recalcitrant to me. He didn't seem to want to be saying what he said--seemed almost defiant.

Posted by: dagny at May 04, 2011 08:51 AM (xFzMV)

The lateness of the speech is what has been baffling to me all along and is what this scenario explains.  I was sitting thinking "WTF, this is news that you'd want the world to hear ASAP and Preznit Fuckstick is dithering as usual".  So McFly was trying to get his story straight, which has been significantly revised multiple times now, and figure out what tone he should adopt.  Even then on the latter he fucked up as you point out.  If he was as smart as Tweety and the rest of his fluffers he'd have just said something short and to the point and not embellish a fucking thing; but that's not how this dumbfuck operates.

58

Posted by: dagny at May 04, 2011 08:51 AM (xFzMV)

Agreed, and the comment that you made last PM about the defiance of an adolescent reluctantly doing what should be done, is an interesting take, and  would be a cautionary insight going forward if accurate.

 

59 Oh and this is schweeeet......

RASMUSSEN: Still No Bounce for Obama... Developing...

Obama Approval Index: -13
Strongly Approve 24%
Strongly Disapprove 37%
Total Approval 48%

60 Chris Christie gave a great response on killing OBL. He is not my first choice for GOP nominee, but a blue state governor sounds tougher than Mitch Daniels.

61 Tami, is that today's Rasmussen or yesterdays?

62 Goober, it's on Drudge now....first column. 

63 @ Your RINO Philosopher Kings NICE:8

64

Also remember this - in 2008 the Obama people wanted to run against Mitt Romney.  I know this for a fact from people at the DNC who I talked to.  They had tons of oppo research and polling done on Romney.  When McCain got the nomination, they thought Romney would be his running mate and they were basically going to run Obama against him.

The only point in that campaign when Obama came unglued was when McCain announced Sarah Palin as his running mate.  Her RNC convention speech produced near-panic in the Democratic Party.  It was not what they expected at all and they temporarily lost their moorings.  If not for the financial collapse it would have been a MUCH closer election than most people think.

This is not to say Sarah 2.0 should be our candidate in 2012.  It is to say Romney shouldn't.  And I would not be unhappy at all to see Palin on the ticket again as VP.  The VP nominee should be the attacker while the Presidential nominee stays above all that.  Either Daniels, Pawlenty, or Jindal would be perfect for that part.  Allen West would be a great VP nominee too.

65

Everyone is out there flapping their gums about the OBL take-down. I'm sick of it. I  don't have a problem with a politician who stays quiet. What else can we say?

 

Besdies - Andrea Mitchell is out their prasing her lord and savior - obama. He captured OLB with his own hands and that stupid Bush didn't nah nah nah.

66 It is to say Romney shouldn't.  And I would not be unhappy at all to see Palin on the ticket again as VP.

As I said earlier it appears Romney may skip SC and that could be a killer. As for Palin, I still do not think she is going to run, but if she does I would prefer that she run at the top of the ticket and present her OWN ideas instead of trying to justify someone else's who she disagrees with.

67 Mitt Romney is a man of principles and would be an excellent running mate for "Our Man Mitch".

68 Yeah, God forbid we have a President who actually thinks things through before opening his mouth
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Well, if that weak sauce is the result of careful thinking, then Mitch is more flawed than I thought. 

Good. Candidates. Do. Not. Admit. Weakness.

Or, more simply put, "If someone asks if you're a god, you say yes!" 

69

Oh, and on the Valerie Jarrett stuff - I read that story when it came out yesterday, and it seemed a little overheated but essentially true.  I thnk it is entirely possible that Valerie Jarrett is really the President of the United States.  I have thought this since the JEF took office.  Barack plays golf and gives speeches.  She is the one who is a real Communist, and a real Chicago gangster.  A few bloggers had the goods on her during the 2008 campaign and afterward, but since then nobody seems to want to shine a light on her.

I think Leon Panetta is a real patriot.  God bless him for agreeing to serve in this gangsta Administration.  I have no doubt he is the real reason we got bin Laden.

70 He's a whuss.  No consideration whatsoever here. 

71 Posted by: Vic at May 04, 2011 09:07 AM (M9Ie6)

I heard Romney in an interview a few weeks ago in which he made the only cogent argument possible in defending RomneyCare. The states have the ability to experiment in ways that the federal government does not. It was impressive, but probably too late.

I hope Palin doesn't run. She is too valuable as an outsider.

72

The data is inconclusive.  The planet is warmer than it was a century ago. 

This makes no sense. If the data is inconclusive, then we cannot say that it is truly warmer. We can and have been able to measure solar activity, and we know that it can and has varied greatly.

Natural gas is also a fossil fuel.

 

Yes, nuclear energy should be pursued where possible.

73 According to Drudge's headline it's Gates and Hillary that don't want the pics released. Posted by: Tami at May 04, 2011 08:56 AM (VuLos) Hillary with her hands over her eyes when DEVGRU took out public enemy no. 1. We dodged a bullet there.

74 @86 Sarah Palin is a wonderful wildcard element for the conservative movement, and we feel that her creativity in bringing conservatism to the masses would be diminished if she were to be burdened with a run for high office.

75 From Tami's WH insider link:

So Daley, heÂ’s the fix it guy for this mess, right?  He is sent from Chicago, but heÂ’s sent by those Democrats outside Chicago to repair the ongoing damage of the Obama White House.  ThatÂ’s simplifying what heÂ’s attempting a great deal, but there you have it.  Now what Daley has that Jarrett doesnÂ’t is the support of the donors.  They placed him in that White House to organize it into some semblance ofÂ…organization.  To make the damn place function – Â’cause it ainÂ’t been functioning since Obama got there, right?  Well, Jarrett has not accepted this role of Bill Daley.  She considers herself the defacto president.  She isÂ…how was it put before – she is “ObamaÂ’s brain”.  In the Obama White House, you have the Oval Office, and you have JarrettÂ’s office on the second floor.  That second floor office has been where the real power has resided.  That is no exaggeration.  Jarrett has people around the Oval Office who report back to her.  Everything.  She sets the agenda and that agenda is sent directly to the president, who more often than not, never questions it.  And as Jarrett assumed more control over the day to day operations of the West Wing, the president happily backed away.

If this is even close it's fucking sickening to put it mildly, And I hope somebody like Jack Cashill writes the book.

76 When asked if he was ready to debate President Obama on foreign policy, Daniels said "Probably not."

Not ready to debate the biggest dipshit to ever sit in the White House, who has run the most insane, anti-American foreign policy in American history (by a mile)?  Does Daniels have any idea what sort of total idiot he makes himself out to be?  Probably not.  He's an idiot.

Posted by: iknowtheleft

To be fair, Obama is fucking up Libya, and the media is giving him a pass. He hid behind NATO, and he got a pass. He and the media have found new delight in living out action movies, with nary a sign of irony, or lightning bolts striking them. Coming out of Indiana and saying that he sucks will not play well, certainly not in the media.

 

Perhaps someone like Trump is the only one that can say such things. Only a jester may mock the King.

77 >>Also remember this - in 2008 the Obama people wanted to run against Mitt Romney. I know this for a fact from people at the DNC who I talked to. With all due respect to your contacts in the DNC we should be able to run Alvin Greene's slower brother against Obama and kick the crap out of him with all the information available about his handling of the presidency. Obama's pimp hand is going to be extremely weak next election. OBL will have been long dead but the middle east will still be causing trouble, Libya will still be unresolved, the economy will be in the toilet and on and on and on. All we have to do is find some candidate who is actually willing to take Obama on and at this point the first person to show some actual sack and a remotely coherent campaign has got my vote.

78 Posted by: Danger Dick Blumenthal at May 04, 2011 09:12 AM (Gzv/o)

And...even if the planet is warmer than it was 100 years ago....so what? It's cooler than it once was too.

79 Why are so many Republicans jockeying to be the next Joe Biden?

80 C'mon you fucking dwarf, get some balls already. Daniels is Kucinich without the hot wife.

81

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 04, 2011 09:11 AM (LH6ir)

He's been saying that for months.  In any case, that's about 60% of an argument.  He has to go into the details of "what worked", "what didn't work," "what was introduced over his veto and/or after he left."

If Romney plays it right, Romneycare can be neutral or even a positive, especially in the general election.

As you see with Daniels, you have Romney (and you have Huckabee, unfortunately); and then you have ink blots of proto-candidates whose flaws and weaknesses are yet to be vetted and exposed--remember that.

82

That second floor office has been where the real power has resided.  That is no exaggeration.  Jarrett has people around the Oval Office who report back to her.  Everything.  She sets the agenda and that agenda is sent directly to the president, who more often than not, never questions it.  And as Jarrett assumed more control over the day to day operations of the West Wing, the president happily backed away

 

And this is why the stint at the Harvard Law Review is relevent. And the period immediately after, when he was the first, or one of the first, to not get a SCOTUS clerking gig. He wants the perks, status and title. He does not want to do work or make decisions that will haunt him.

83 Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 04, 2011 09:16 AM (G/MYk)

This!

Jumping through hoops to protect the tender sensibilities of a culture that literally bathes in the blood of its innocent victims is a disgusting surrender to these murderers.

Release the photos as a matter of course. It could have been done on Monday morning without any problems. The terrorists are going to hate us and try to kill us no matter what. There is no rationale for withholding the photos that makes any sense.

84

@81 That may be how Democrats roll, but it isn't how Republicans do.

I do know that a lot of the serious people, what y'all would call the Beltway GOP establishment, the consultants and lobbyists anbd fundraisers, are quietly backing Daniels.  Most of them backed Romney last time, although it might surprise you how many of them did back McCain (and a lot of them were behind McCain in 2000).  They are the ones who talked Haley Barbour out of running.  I don't see Romney getting very far this time because he isn't getting those people with the money.

We are only now getting rid of the Bush people.  They were the real cancer on the GOP.  Bush 41's people thought he should have been president in 1980.  When he finally got in in 1989, they could not wait to clean out all the Reagan people.  They fucked up everything and gave us Bill and Hillary Clinton.  Then they all came back and got Junior elected, and fucked everything up again and gave us Barack Obama. 

A lot of the old Reagan people actually backed John McCain in 2000 and again in 2008.  McCain was groomed for years by Nancy Reagan and many of the Reagan political operatives.  He was supposed to win in 2000 and bring them all back.  But the Bush people also came back and wrestled the nomination away from McCain.

There is still a giant feud going on between what is left of the Bush and Reagan people.  The Reagan people are backing Mitch Daniels.  The Bush people are backing Mitt Romney.

85 Governor Romney has been pro-active in reaching out to non-traditional constituencies for Republicans in order to build a new winning coalition for the next Republican century.

86

Maybe it's just me and because of my job, but I can't imagine these photos are that much worse than some of the scenes from Saving Private Ryan.  Most homicides - by shooting, anyway - aren't that terrible.  A shotgun to the face?  Yeah.  But even a rifle round to the eye?  Not so graphic that everyone would be offended.

 

Again, that's just me.

87 You know who this all benefits?

88 How do you spell "RESET" in pashtun?

89 It is to say Romney shouldn't.  And I would not be unhappy at all to see Palin on the ticket again as VP.

As I said earlier it appears Romney may skip SC and that could be a killer. As for Palin, I still do not think she is going to run, but if she does I would prefer that she run at the top of the ticket and present her OWN ideas instead of trying to justify someone else's who she disagrees with.

Posted by: Vic

 

What is your take? Do you think that people are trying to buck history and enter the race without debating in SC? Or is the slate we're seeing all we're going to get?

90 I hate Hillary, but at least she was in the room and not playing golf. She got there early enough to get a seat at the table. True, Dagny. She must be very much in the loop.

91 In any case, that's about 60% of an argument.  He has to go into the details of "what worked", "what didn't work," "what was introduced over his veto and/or after he left."
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Absolutely.

The thing that concerns me is that he still hasn't done that after all this time.  His supporters - and even people like me who are willing to be a supporter - are making better arguments about Masscare than he is.  That's not good. 

Although he has indicated he would overturn Obamacare as POTUS, it's not clear to me if he would put something else in its place.  I'm worried that somewhere in his core, he embraces government-run health care.  The only way to shake that feeling is to see him dissect in gory detail the flaws with Masscare and with Obamacare. 

92 Posted by: ParisParamus at May 04, 2011 09:18 AM (bgSjf)

He didn't discuss specifics, but he did say that the bill that was finally enacted was not entirely his doing.

Romney can beat Obama, but there is some work to be done. As you point out, a thorough analysis of RomneyCare and an explanation why it was good for MA but would be bad for America would be a nice start.

I also have hope (unfortunately not much) that we will eventually field a candidate who is less fond of triangulation.

93 Candidates are skipping this debate, because usually the campaign season starts after Thanksgiving. Then the summer is for mingling in all the early states. It's silly to have debates this early.

94

I don't think the WH is being disorganized about the release of the photos of OBL.  They are playing this thing out for maximum political effect.  Don't be surprised to see those photos "leaked" out to some favored news outlet like the New York Times, and then see the WH make a big show out of being pissed off about the leaks.  They'll get another full week of Killing Osama headlines this way.

It's all being run by David Plouffe now.

95

Perhaps someone like Trump is the only one that can say such things. Only a jester may mock the King.

Posted by: Danger Dick Blumenthal at May 04, 2011 09:15 AM (326rv)

One makes a jester of oneself by publicly pretending that a retarded, treasonous King has a brain and the interests of the nation in mind.  Trump is the only non-clown out there, right now.  Even Bachmann is disappointing in the last interviews I've heard her give.  Very disappointing.

Posted by: iknowtheleft

 

What I meant was that a reality show, cameo hungry tabloid creature can say these things without taking the hits that the oh so serious upright people would. What can they do to Trump? Spread his name across the tabloids? He's been there for over 30 years. Are they going to try to match him in sound bites? he can do that.

96 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 04, 2011 09:21 AM (zgZzy)

It doesn't matter if his brains are splattered all over the room. In fact, that may be better than a neat, clean hole in his head. I want the savages to see what American power and resolve can accomplish.

97 Romney won't beat Obama.  He may still be the GOP nominee, and I have predicted he will be, but he won't be President.

98 He didn't discuss specifics, but he did say that the bill that was finally enacted was not entirely his doing. That's pretty thin gruel for the chief executive of the state. We can look forward to a POTUS who would get rolled by a Dem minority like GWB then.

99 The whole problem with the "truce" thing wasn't so much the substance as much as the fact that it showed he really didn't have the cajones to be President and to stand up for what he believed in.  This is just confirmation.

100 Posted by: rockmom at May 04, 2011 09:20 AM

Winning Republicans do not admit weakness, particularly when they are running against the most narcissistic POTUS in history (and his sycophants in the press).

And forgive me for being unpersuaded by who some people whose claim to fame is wrapping themselves in Zombie Reagan's bathrobe are supporting quietly behind the scenes. 

101 Ontherocks,

This is my favorite part.....

That afternoon, a scheduled meeting was held in the Oval Office that included both Bill Daley and Valerie Jarrett.  I donÂ’t know what took place inside that meeting, but whatever it was spilled out to the hall outside the Oval Office near the Roosevelt Room.  Jarrett was heard hissing something to Daley and jabbing her finger at him.  Daley simply turned and began walking back down the hall toward his office as Jarrett stood glaring back at him.  Daley then turned back abruptly and made his way toward Jarrett.  A member of JarrettÂ’s staff intercepted him and there was some kind of exchange – not heated, their voices were calm, and Daley even laughed with them – like they had shared a joke.  This set off Jarrett, and she flew down the hall – that is how it was described to me exactly – she flew down the hall, and once again she was in DaleyÂ’s face pointing at him.  By this time the presidentÂ’s assistant, a young man by the name of Reggie Love, who has been there from day one I believe, emerged from the Oval Office quarters and made his way toward both Daley and Jarrett.  Now Mr. Love is a big fella.  Large man.  He placed himself between both Jarrett and Daley, and then placed his hand on DaleyÂ’s shoulder and shoved him.  Not hard, but hard enough that Daley took a step back.  Bill Daley was heard to tell Mr. Love to “Please back away – now.”  He was calm throughout the altercation.  Jarrett though was still veryÂ…vocal in her dissatisfaction with the White House Chief of Staff, and by now a number of staff were in the hall watching all of this unfold.  Oddly enough, no sign of President Obama though, who apparently remained holed up inside the Oval Office, or his study.

After a few more words from Jarrett, Daley turned back around and returned to his office while Jarrett made her way back to the Oval Office with Love.  They were in there for nearly 30 minutes before Bill Daley came down the hall and entered the Oval Office himself and another 20 minutes or so passed before Jarrett emerged alone and headed back upstairs.  It was then 10 or 15 minutes before Daley came out.  He was in a good mood, joking with a member of PlouffeÂ’s staff who he met in the hall.  As they were parting, the First Lady was making her way quickly down the hall toward the Oval Office.  She walked past Daley without acknowledging him, even though it was clearly heard by others that Daley gave her a friendly greeting.  She remained in the Oval Office for no more than a few minutes, though she could be heard shouting right before she came back out – this time with the young man, Mr. Love, walking with her back down the hall.  He was apparently struggling to keep up with the First Lady, who was walking pretty damn fast.  The staff could hear her coming before they saw her.

BWAHAHAHA!

(Sorry for posting so much of it, but it's such a great read.)

Has anyone every heard of Reggie Love before?

102

The reason why Harding picked Coolidge, was because he showed his metal in the 1919 police strike, which Lehane has romanticized in 'Give Us this DAy' Daniels failed that test, earlier this year, inspiring a whole newcrop of 'fleebaggers'

Yup.

Reagan canned the air traffic controllers.

Scott Walker took the unions head on and kicked their ass.

Daniels appealed to fleebaggers sense of dignity and fair play and got played like a bitch.

Which seems to be a pattern....

103 I'll echo what someone else said upthread: Mitch Daniels seems like a nice guy, but a non-starter as a candidate.  Establishment media, can we please stop trying to drag him into a candidacy when we've got a slew of others who have already expressed interest or outright announced they're running?

104 "89 @86 Sarah Palin is a wonderful wildcard element for the conservative movement, and we feel that her creativity in bringing conservatism to the masses would be diminished if she were to be burdened with a run for high office."     Recall, it took a JIMMAY CARTER to get teh RINOs and country clubbers to vote for RAYGUN. I remember people saying they voted for Reagan because they liked Bush and thought Reagan would die in office. Sarah may not ever have as good a chance as 2012. Goober is just sayin.

105 Romney could certainly beat Obama. He is everything Obama isn't. Experienced, capable and seemingly uncorrupt. The GOP establishment/DC-types have always hated Romney, which gives me all the more motivation to push for him.

106 Do you think that people are trying to buck history and enter the race without debating in SC?

Well you can see from the list that most of the top contenders are not there. That, however, does not mean that they will not debate or campaign in SC at all. The word from the ones who have said anything is that it is still too early (meaning that they are short on cash).

But rumor, as reported by Fox, is that Romney may indeed skip SC all the way. That means that he is coming up short on polling here which is not surprising.

107 OT, but Zombie over at PJM is having a caption contest for the Situation Room photo. 

108 Even Bachmann is disappointing in the last interviews I've heard her give.  Very disappointing.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 04, 2011 09:20 AM (G/MYk)

I hate Chris Wallace with the heat of a billion supernovas, but Bachmann sounded like a brainless imbecile on FNS last weekend.  Yes, commie Mike Wallace's red-diaper kid asked her some snarky questions but her answers were like a caricature of what whores like Tina Fey would imitate Palin saying.  She may as well stay up in Minnesota with the rest of the dumbfucks like Franken and Garrison Keillor.  Plus Tammy Bruce considers her a stalking horse for Mittens.

109

Harry Reid - race baiting asshole -or -race baiting asshole. You decide.

110 Daniels, like former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson, excites a conspicuous crowd of younger, isolationist, libertarian conservatives who dream of a conservative movement without its messy insistence on defense and foreign policy. That, combined with his call for a “truce” on social issues, gives Daniels’ enormous sex appeal to the isolationist-libertarian set. Dailycaller Sounds like Daniels, Johnson and Paul will be fighting over about 7% of the popular vote. If Barbour gives him his Rolodex, Daniels can compete with Paul in fundraising.

111 He seems drunk as hell, but I'm not going to second-guess the guy.

112 >>But rumor, as reported by Fox, is that Romney may indeed skip SC all the way. That means that he is coming up short on polling here which is not surprising. I'm sure Romney realizes he has little or no chance in SC. They will go for Huck or whichever Christian Conservative is in the race, they won't go with the Mormon. It happened last election, it will happen this time too. He's probably more focused on those primary states where he can actually win.

113

>>There is still a giant feud going on between what is left of the Bush and Reagan people.  The Reagan people are backing Mitch Daniels.  The Bush people are backing Mitt Romney.

Posted by: rockmom at May 04, 2011 09:20 AM (Y01Pi)

If the same Reagan people who were supposedly backing McCain are backing Daniels, they should take a long walk off a short pier as well.

I would agree with your assessment of Daddy Bush. He was a disaster that helped bring us to this point. The East Coast Liberal/Rockefeller wing of the GOP needs to go away permanently.

114 Plus Tammy Bruce considers her a stalking horse for Mittens. Tammy Bruce is a smart lady. I was shocked when I found myself agreeing with MegaMac that Bachman is a poor man's Sarah Palin. I have zero interest in any House candidates. Plus, she is as dumb as they say Palin is.

115 Just to show what a weep Mitch is:

 [Daniels] and his wife Cheri divorced in 1994. She moved to California, leaving Daniels with the four daughters, aged 8 to 14, and married a doctor. She divorced again and moved back to Indiana. She and Mitch remarried in 1997.



"Honey, I'm going to go bang a doctor for a few years on a trial basis.  You watch the kids for me."

"Yes Dear."

116 Perhaps you anti-Mitchers would be interested in reading these words that Daniels said at a Butler University commencement. This part was about the failure of the Baby Boomers: "All our lives, it's been all about us. We were the "Me Generation." We wore t-shirts that said "If it feels good, do it." The year of my high school commencement, a hit song featured the immortal lyric "Sha-la-la-la-la-la, live for today." As a group, we have been self-centered, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, and all too often just plain selfish. Our current Baby Boomer President has written two eloquent, erudite books, both about..himself." Nice jab at our sitting president to a neutral audience, I'd say. Read the whole speech: it's quite good. http://www.in.gov/portal/news_events/38894.htm

117 Posted by: Tami at May 04, 2011 08:58 AM (VuLos)

I only caught a last few seconds blurb on it, but Larry, Moe & Curly (otherwise known as the Fox & Friends hosts) were talking about his "bump" in approval that is showing up in the polls now.  Rass sure seems to negate that.  If the American people really, truly thought President Mastermind did all this himself and was hands-on throughout, his approval bump (which is barely there) would skyrocket.  It's not.

118 Now, she seems like she's trying to remember some position paper and she gets herself all tied up trying to keep within some imaginary constraints.  It's a shame.

She has been listening to the press. That is a damn killer for ANY conservative because the MFM will always shit on conservatives. Chris Wallace is the asshole who spread the BS fire in the belly meme in 2008 for teh Fred.  It was nice to see Fred eviscerate the SOB in an interview though over that issue.

As for Bachmann, she is on my short list but as things progress I may join the "draft Ryan" crowd. "On the issues" actually classifies him as being to the right of her.

But one thing to keep in mind about "On the issues" they place a lot of their rating on recent statements vs actual voting record.

119 The GOP establishment/DC-types have always hated Romney Romney's dad was as establishment as they get. You will get your ass served, if you try to push him as a populist. Actually, go for it.

120
Nice jab at our sitting president to a neutral audience, I'd say.

Having just sat through a moving, apolitical commencement speech last weekend, my reaction is "how inappropriate of Daniels to politicize the graduation ceremonies of a captive audience." 

121

It doesn't matter if his brains are splattered all over the room. In fact, that may be better than a neat, clean hole in his head. I want the savages to see what American power and resolve can accomplish.

 

 

Agreed.  Show the photo and let them see what happens when you fuck with America.

122 Whatever else Mitch Daniels may be, he sucks at politics.

123 Perhaps you anti-Mitchers would be interested in reading these words that Daniels said at a Butler University commencement. This part was about the failure of the Baby Boomers:

"All our lives, it's been all about us. We were the "Me Generation." We wore t-shirts that said "If it feels good, do it." The year of my high school commencement, a hit song featured the immortal lyric "Sha-la-la-la-la-la, live for today." As a group, we have been self-centered, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, and all too often just plain selfish. Our current Baby Boomer President has written two eloquent, erudite books, both about..himself."

Posted by: MaxMBJ

 

Yes, this is good. I hate the anti-Mitch thing. There's anough labelling going on.

124 As a group, we have been self-centered, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, and all too often just plain selfish.

To me that just illustrates how stupid he really is.

125

it sounds like he's waiting for some sort of groundswell to demand he enter the race.

It ain't happening Mitch.

I'm sure you're a swell guy, but America isn't Indiana. The country doesn't know who you are, and unless you get out there and sell yourself, they never will

126 Why can't Romney just drift away quietly?

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 04, 2011 09:37 AM (G/MYk)

I can't figure this out myself.  He was an obvious failure in 2008 by not even being able to defeat McCain; and it was because he was a shameless flip-flopper on trying to satisfy whatever fucking audience he was in front of.  He appeared to do good work in providing behind the scenes support for Scott Brown, who as much of a shamelessly pandering dickwad as he's turned out to be was still infinitely preferable strategically to Coakley, and should continue in that vein.  I'd obviously vote for him over Hussein but I'd prefer not to have to make that choice.

127

were talking about his "bump" in approval that is showing up in the polls now

 

Believe me, Barack has no "bump."

128 Ugh.  Are there any actual conservatives left in politics?  And no, I don't want to hear about 'electability', I just want to know if there's anyone left who'd be worthwhile to elect at all...

129 Posted by: Hrothgar at May 04, 2011 09:35 AM (yrGif)


Here is that link. I got the city wrong. It wasn't Las Vegas, it was Reno.


http://tinyurl.com/6eezek4

130 Daniels is up there with Ryan. Who can be the best accountant? Man, accountants are too sexy for their clothes.

131 I'll read the rest of this thread on the Q Train (no WiFi), but re

The thing that concerns me is that he still hasn't done that after all this time.  His supporters - and even people like me who are willing to be a supporter - are making better arguments about Masscare than he is.  That's not good.

He has gradually been getting more specific and detailed.  It's quite possible that he thinks it's best to get into the nitty gritty when more people are paying attention, and more of his opponents' arguments have already come out.  This may be frustrating (for supporters), but I can't say it's bad strategy

132 >Has anyone every heard of Reggie Love before?
Posted by: Tami at May 04, 2011 09:28 AM (VuLos)

Former Duke Hoopster IIRC and Preznit's "body man" IYKWIMAITYD.

I didn't want to paste your whole link, but it's not clear to me where Desperate Housewives ends and the WH Staff begins.

 For now at least we're mired in a combination of bad soap opera and bad Joo Joo and it's depressing, and excruciatingly embarrassing simultaneously.   

133 If Romney gets the nod all those States that turned blue for Obama will remain Blue and he will be reelected.

134 Rick Santoroum is classified as "hard right" by On The Issues. But since he hasn't been in office for a while that is mostly based on rhetoric.

135

Rick Santoroum is classified as "hard right" by On The Issues. But since he hasn't been in office for a while that is mostly based on rhetoric.

Yeah, he is a big time social conservative and sometimes squishy on fiscal conservatism.

 

I wanted him to beat Bob Casey here, but I don't want him to be President.

136 John Yoo kicks the shit out of Obama.


_{Hey, maybe we should run him for POTUS!}

137

While we grieve over the imperfection of the republican field, Obama, the most corrupt "Chicago" president ever, is in full shake down mode.

138 Romney Reagan? I can't figure this out myself.  He was an obvious failure in 2008 1976 by not even being able to defeat McCain Ford.

Duh.

139 Former Duke Hoopster IIRC and Preznit's "body man" IYKWIMAITYD.


Oooh, yeah...now I remember him.  He's from Chicago too, right?  The JEF's "workout" partner?

140

If Romney gets the nod all those States that turned blue for Obama will remain Blue and he will be reelected.

I'm not buying that. North Carolina, Virginia, and Indiana are going red no matter who our candidate is.

 

I actually think Romney would do fairly well against Obama in some of the swing states, specifically Ohio and potentially Michigan.

However, that said, I don't want Romney to be our candidate

141 Looking at his voting record though he did vote pretty good on almost everything.

142 Posted by: dagny at May 04, 2011 08:22 AM (xFzMV) Jon Huntsman, Jr. / Hillary Clinton ticket?

143

Jon Huntsman, Jr. / Hillary Clinton ticket?

 

uhh. I can't stand this Jon Huntsman fellow.

 

144

"Romney's dad was as establishment as they get. You will get your ass served, if you try to push him as a populist. Actually, go for it."

 

You actually made me laugh. "you will get your ass served!'. What a fucking little girl you are. The fact is that the GOP hates Romney, and they always have. His father has nothing to do with it. It's mainly because he has never needed them (plus his twin existence as Westerner/Mormon and Northeast Moneyman has kept people wary). But you keep screaming and thinking that this is a contest involving me personally, you simpering little shit bag. I'll be here laughing at your sorry, stupid ass right up until Election day.

145 Huntsman is a non-starter. 

146 I'm not buying that. North Carolina, Virginia, and Indiana are going red no matter who our candidate is.

What happened last time was that the conservatives stayed at home in those States that flipped. The same thing will happen with Romney.

Think about this and NC, Romney is a gun grabber and supported the assault weapons ban. That will be a death sentence in NC everywhere except the research triangle that is full of Yankees.

147 Can you feel the transparency?

148 (Romney) Reagan? I can't figure this out myself. He was an obvious failure in 2008 1976 by not even being able to defeat (McCain) Ford. Reagan had a little more experience than one term as governor and an Olympics game. In fact, didn't he urge Americans through coffee klatches that gov't run healthcare was the gateway to socialism?

149 >>I can't figure this out myself. He was an obvious failure in 2008 by not even being able to defeat McCain This is what I can't figure out. Romney lost to a combination of McCain and Huck. It was obvious to anyone who was watching what was going on and never more obvious than what happened in W. Va. Romney was running a pretty good second for a first time candidate and might well have won had it not been for the concerned Christian Huck and the bullshit he pulled. It was shameless. And if we are going to eliminate all first time candidates who lose from ever running again then Reagan should never be mentioned again. He Lost to Gerry friggin Ford his first time around the block. Put as many out there as possible and lets see who comes out on top.

150 Anyone but Obama, and Daniels, and Romney, and Newt, and Huckabee....

151 Romney/West 2012.  It's really perfect.

152 North Carolina will definitely vote for Romney (or any other GOP'er, probably). Obama took it by less than 1%, and since then we've elected a GOP House and Senate for the first time since Reconstruction. I'd say the odds are 1000-1 that Obama takes NC.

153 Rick actually isn't that bad. I like that he's had some adversity too

154 Rick/Sarah would be an interesting ticket. kind of youthful and energetic no?

155 I'm really just thinking "out loud" on this. I still want to draft Christie but I know you guys aren't as hot on him as I am. (and I AM HOT, lol)

156

I can only say this because I'm a woman, but many of the things that Obama does looks like (maybe because he's effeminate) a woman, Valerie Jarrett, made the decision. The idea that he should shame Ryan or the Supreme Court, the "I won" crap, the indecision, looks like a high school popularity contest or a clique.

Posted by: dagny at May 04, 2011 08:45 AM (xFzMV)

That is exactly what I have been saying.

This Admin. is stuck in a re-make  of 'Heathers'.

To my lib brother, I actually call them the 'Heathers' Administration. He gets so pissed

157 The fact is that the GOP hates Romney, and they always have. The GOP base, maybe, but the NE establishment Rockefeller Republicans love him. That's why he has only run in MA and he can fundraise so successfully. Nobody buys his books or pays attention to his rare statements (usually way after everyone but Pawlenty has weighed in). But he sells $100K a plate dinners.

158 West/Bolton 2012!

159 Reagan had a little more experience than one term as governor and an Olympics game.

Oh, c'mon.  Be against Mitt, but at least be honest about it.  Reagan had two terms as governor and the actor's union stuff.  Romney had Bain Capital. 

I love how people claim to want executive experience, then toss away experience founding one of the largest private equity firms in the country. 

160 Well, if Romney does skip SC it will not matter he will probably be toast. He would have to win big in both Iowa and NH to survive skipping SC.

That strategy is reminiscent of Rudi's in 2008.

161 Now we know who you don't like.  So, tell us who you do like.

162 >>Reagan had a little more experience than one term as governor and an Olympics game. In fact, didn't he urge Americans through coffee klatches that gov't run healthcare was the gateway to socialism? Yeah, he had two whole terms during which he signed the most expansive abortion bill of that time. He then flip flopped to be pro-life. Shit happens particularly for Republican governors in Dem states.

163
Whatta gutless dumbfuck.

It makes him the perfect 2012 GOP candidate.

164 Why do we bother talking about Romney? Isn't Scott Brown enough proof of what you get from MA? Shoosh - Soros says move on.

165 Obama does looks like (maybe because he's effeminate) a woman, Valerie Jarrett, made the decision. Dagny, Vajajay is the mother he never had. She, Tom Ayers and FMD go way back. She shepherded Obama into the Hyde Park commie cabal, and has been there in the wings throughout his meteoric rise. I'm sure she knows all kinds of criminals, probably introduced him to Rezko. You're right she's calling the shots.

166 @181
I'm hot for Christie, BlackOrchid, but I kind of believe him when he says he's not running. 

I am getting on board with the notion that having Ryan run as the nominee because he's the only one who really grasps his budget stuff is a good philosophy.  And I've been impressed by how he's stood up to the POTUS. 

I thought he was more like a Jindal or Daniels, but he has a lot more chutzpah than that. 

167 This is not to say Sarah 2.0 should be our candidate in 2012.  It is to say Romney shouldn't.


Oh, I'll say it:  Sarah Palin '12.   For the win.

168 So, tell us who you do like. Well, I like a nonstarter who "must be destroyed" in the words of Drew M. So, I save that talk for indies.

169 I wouldn't count too much on Hellor. I don't think that was the all purpose victory for the second amendment that a lot of the Morons think it was. Also, it was a narrow 5-4 decision and is only one flip flop away from being overturned.

Who is to say that if Scalia retired Romney would appoint a judge who disagreed with Hellor?

170 14. "...Republicans have to have someone that can hold their own with the media.  Not surrender over like Bush did in non-election years..."

Who, then? (And you better not say Ron Paul)

171 (Romney) Reagan? I can't figure this out myself. He was an obvious failure in 2008 1976 by not even being able to defeat (McCain) Ford.

Are you really trying to compare losing in a primary to a sitting President to losing to a perpetual "outsider" candidate?

172 @198
Well, I'd say Ford was a bit damaged by being from the Nixon administration. 

How old are you? 

173 Yep, this guy is definitely the Republican Micahel Dukakis.

174 184 West/Bolton 2012!

Posted by: momma at May 04, 2011 10:03 AM (penCf)

Man, I would love it if the 'Stache runs.  Can you see him in a debate with Obama?  Or BIDEN? 

And we all know West would wipe the floor with any of them, and make them thank him for it.

175

I agree with the post.  This guy may be a successful IN governor but that is insufficient preparation for POTUS.  He expresses no 'fire in the belly' as buddy Barbour noted(whether a gloss or not).

No way he lights a fire under rank and file.

176 >>Oooh, yeah...now I remember him.  He's from Chicago too, right?  The JEF's "workout" partner?
Posted by: Tami at May 04, 2011 09:54 AM (VuLos)

Don't know about the former, but affirmative on the latter, in the sense that Kal Penn was his acting coach.

177 How old are you? 

Posted by: Y-not, RINO extraordinaire at May 04, 2011 10:12 AM (pW2o

61.  Why?

178

This is no time for pussies.

That is all.

179 61.  Why?

Your post sounded like it was written by someone who did not live through the Nixon administration. 

180 Yeah, he had two whole terms during which he signed the most expansive abortion bill of that time. I have few illusions about who Reagan was, but if you think Romney's had a pro-life conversion, Romneycare should put that fantasy to rest.

181 Jeez -- is it my imagination, or are all the Romney outriders galloping into this blog again?  Also, the "Sarah can't win" Eeyores seem to have reported for duty, as well.  Or are these two groups one and the same?

182 West/Bolton '12

The debates would be epic.

183 >>Are you really trying to compare losing in a primary to a sitting President to losing to a perpetual "outsider" candidate? A sitting president who was thrust into the job after the VP quit pending a corruption indictment and the president quit before being impeached. Ford and his Whip Inflation Now buttons was possibly the most unpopular Republican president in the last 100 years. McCain may be unpopular on conservative blogs but he was always popular in the msm and seen as a "statesman".

184

197 14. "...Republicans have to have someone that can hold their own with the media.  Not surrender over like Bush did in non-election years..."

Who, then? (And you better not say Ron Paul)

 

Stop worrying about the media. Wasn't McCain supposed to be the maverick that the media adores? Look how that turned out. Better to recognize your enemies and attack them without them getting paid. Never do edited interviews. Never let them be the moderator of any debates. Cut them off at the short and curlies. Force them to explain themselves. Pick one representative talking head and destroy them (see Alinsky). We are in a contest with the media party. The DEM party is nothing more than a bunch of dim witted flunkies. The media is the enemy. Unplugged from the MATRIX.

185 What's a Romney outrider? Supporter or detractor?

186 Posted by: MWR at May 04, 2011 10:12 AM (4df7R)

I have given this so much thought and this is the answer.

Together they bring military experience, leadership experience, privy to classified info, intelligent, knowledgeable, shown ability to make tough decisions in an instant, moral, strengthened by God (yet not in the Fuckabee sense of ruling from God), strong defenders of the Constitution and personal liberties, etc.

Plus, they are both great, to-the-point, honest speakers.

(I sort of forgot my grammar skills in this post, sorry, I need more coffee)

187

I don't know what more you guys want.  Here's a governor who has cut government, privatized state services, wants to enact Ryan-style tax and entitlement reform, calls the EPA the Employment Prevention Agency, opposes cap and trade, supports school vouchers, passed a free market health reform, and just signed into law a 20 week abortion ban that defunds Planned Parenthood as well. 

But the guy with that record is a non-starter because he doesn't foam at the mouth when he speaks.

Unreal.

188 That strategy is reminiscent of Rudi's in 2008. Last time, Romney went bust competing in primaries that he lost. I think this time NH is make or break for him, or that's what he's thinking. But I think he'll lose.

189 A sitting president who was thrust into the job after the VP quit pending a corruption indictment and the president quit before being impeached. Ford and his Whip Inflation Now buttons was possibly the most unpopular Republican president in the last 100 years.

Posted by: JackStraw

 

In retrospect, I was kinda screwed from the start. But I served as well as I could.

190 His mistake was taking NH for granted and going for IA. I think he's hit his ceiling. Everyone knows him.

191

And gun control still isn't going to be a bigger issue than employment, energy cost, inflation and debt.

Exactly.

Abortion, Guns and God will have no bearing in the 2012 election.

It's going to be the economy(jobs), fuel prices, food prices, debt and deficits.

I don't even think the wars or security are going to play a role(assuming there isn't some grand attack on America)

Therefore, in my humble opinion, if we choose a candidate who is just a social conservative or just focuses on social conservative issues, like say a Rick Santorum, we'll lose.

192 What's a Romney outrider? Supporter or detractor?

Posted by: Lincolntf

 

I think that it's a pontoon.

193 We need someone that knows we are at war with Islam and isn't afraid to say 'They declared war.  We didn't start it, but we will damn well finish it.'

194 Him and Mr. "May I please suck up to the MBM?" T-Paw are both guarantees of an 0bama 2nd term.
Neither has fight, neither has guts to speak the truth, both want to be loved by the MBM--and that is why you will continue to see fawning, kid-glove coverage.
The MF'ing MBM telegraphs 1000 miles away who the want to run and who the fear the most and too damn many GOP's pretend they can't see it.

195 @215

Outriders were horsemen who rode before, beside and behind a  stagecoach that contained a VIP or a least someone worth attacking or robbing.  A mounted bodyguard and  road-clearer, as it were.  If you watched the royal wedding on Friday, all those armed, mounted troops around the newlyweds' carriage were outriders.

196

Until he ran.  Then he was CCRRRAAAAAAAZZZZZEEEEEEEE!!  And too stupid to know how to send email (though he could fly and land a jet on an aircraft carrier) ...

Sadly, the truth about McCain is that he's a dolt and a dick, who gets some perverse kick out of shitting all over his own side on the most important issues.  He's a leftist of the right.

Posted by: iknowtheleft

 

You left out that he wasn't born in the US and that he had an affair ( which suddenly mattered again).

197

"The MF'ing MBM telegraphs 1000 miles away who the want to run and who the fear the most and too damn many GOP's pretend they can't see it."

 

Yep. But our RINO brethren believe in the Rodney King philosophy of politics. No wonder a bunch of Chicago punks could take them down. Dittos to Hillary as well. Its time to man up and fight.

198 210 Jeez -- is it my imagination, or are all the Romney outriders galloping into this blog again?  Also, the "Sarah can't win" Eeyores seem to have reported for duty, as well.  Or are these two groups one and the same?

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at May 04, 2011 10:15 AM (S3rrR)

Good question!

Here's my thing.  Lots of people - not just at this blog, but everywhere - are very vocal about who they will and will not support for a Presidential run.  That's fine, and pointing out flaws and weaknesses in addition to strengths is a good way to vet the candidates. 

But we're talking about picking candidates right now; not picking the President.  We've still got to get through the primaries.  That's the only place all this in-fighting will have any effect.  I find it hard to believe that anyone here would abstain from voting in the General election in 2012 if the candidate were Romney instead of Palin, or Palin instead of Christie, or Christie instead of Cain.  Even if the (R) candidate was Huckabee (*shudder*) I would be in that voting booth pulling the lever for him against Obama.  I think most people who identify themselves as even mildly conservative will do the same. 

That's why the winnability argument is one that I don't subscribe to.  The bickering we're getting right now isn't about beating Obama.  Any of our potential candidates can beat Obama.  All they have to do is point out Obama's record over and over again on the campaign trail.  What we're doing now is trying to narrow down who that candidate will be, and that will be decided in the primary just like always.  Whoever wins the (R) primary is the candidate most Republicans and/or R-voting independents prefer, and that's the candidate we all have to rally behind.  That doesn't mean we accept his or her positions hook, line and sinker.  Certainly not.  It means that we rally around that person and make sure to tell them, "I'm voting for you because I want to save this country.  Just you make sure you don't try and run it into the ground like BHO has, or you'll be back on the Primary ballot in four years.  Don't you forget that."

199 Outriders were horsemen who rode before, beside and behind a  stagecoach that contained a VIP or a least someone worth attacking or robbing.  A mounted bodyguard and  road-clearer, as it were.  If you watched the royal wedding on Friday, all those armed, mounted troops around the newlyweds' carriage were outriders.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent

 

Do they float? Pontoons do.

200

It wasn't the damage of being Nixon's VP that killed Ford - it was the pardon

Yes, god forbid our betters should be held accountable for the illegal things they do.

Who pardons me when I do illegal shit?

201 210 Jeez -- is it my imagination, or are all the Romney outriders galloping into this blog again?

Gee, does having a few regulars point out that Romney isn't Satan constitute galloping? 

202 If you didn't hear West's interview with Beck, you should.  He said everything you guys are saying.  He even said he is strong on social issues, but they won't win.  Leadership and Love of Country will win.  We have lacked those for 2 years and the Country is in desperate need of both (in the next leader).

203

When asked if he was ready to debate President Obama on foreign policy, Daniels said "Probably not."

Somebody should probably ask Obama if he's ready to debate Obama on foreign policy. If Obama was honest, he'd give the same answer as Daniels, "Probably not."

 

204

Do they float?

They all float down here, Richie.

205 Posted by: JackStraw at May 04, 2011 10:16 AM (TMB3S)

Any attempt to compare anything contemporary to the Nixon presidency is a huge mistake imo because it was such a unique set of circumstances.  Nixon was a liberal Repub that the MFM despised.  Goldwater had been trounced in '64 and people were leery over a rerun of that by running a conservative.  Reagan lost to Ford, in large part, because he was viewed as too conservative.  Mittens lost to McCain, in large part, because he didn't seem to stand for anything.

206

Who pardons me when I do illegal shit?

Posted by: Entropy

 

Do what I did. Gain control of the agnecy in charge of bringing me to justice.

207

It wasn't the damage of being Nixon's VP that killed Ford - it was the pardon

And Chevy Chase.

208 I've always noted that 'conservatives' are just as hard if not harder on Republican candidates that aren't their choice than the left. And when I say hard I mean they lie, exaggerate and tell half truths just like the left. What's worse is that many take the non selection of their candidate as a personal insult and either stay home or advocate for a third party candidate.

209 Even if the (R) candidate was Huckabee (*shudder*) I would be in that voting booth pulling the lever for him against Obama.  I think most people who identify themselves as even mildly conservative will do the same.

Until someone can point out the differences between Huckabee and Obama to me, I'm not sure I could vote for him.

He's the only one I feel that way about.

210

"Mittens lost to McCain, in large part, because he didn't seem to stand for anything."

 

Doesn't the above statement define masterbation?

211 I could vote for pretty much anyone we've discussed BUT NOT HUCKABEE I do not heart Huckabee that would be a definite "stay home or vote third party"

212

The best part about political blogs is supporting a political candidate is mocked, while mocking a candidate is supported.

Whatever, I quit caring about the "RINO" name-calling bullshit ages ago. I still haven't stooped to calling any of the other GOP'ers names yet, maybe when I get a little more emotionally invested. Yeah, not gonna happen. If the Republicans beat Obama, I win. No matter who the candidate is. My preference is Romney,  my bane is Huck, but none of them are half as bad as O.

213 so the impression I'm getting is that Daniels is like our version of John Kerry, except without the hair and the French accent... he thinks he's smarter than he really is

214

Do they float?

They all float down here, Richie.

Posted by: Entropy at May 04, 2011 10:26 AM (IsLT6)

Oh, great.  Now the nightmares are going to come back.  Thanks, Entropy.

^_~

215 @ 231

Dunno about pontoons, but there seem to be a few buffoons floating around.

BTW, is anyone eager to watch Obama's latest "I shot the Sharif" brag session at Ground Zero?

216 uhh. I can't stand this Jon Huntsman fellow. There is a large segment of white male Republican voters who love boring white tax accountant wonks, and those types seem to really hate him. I'm seeing people start to look at Santorum and Pawlenty now, because even though they have no path to the nom (well, heÂ’s in the old Lamar Alexander position and has a decent path). They hate the idea of a nominee who accepted a diplomatic appointment. Really, that is the dirt on Huntsman; he's a ninja-lover.

217 >>Jeez -- is it my imagination, or are all the Romney outriders galloping into this blog again? Also, the "Sarah can't win" Eeyores seem to have reported for duty, as well. Or are these two groups one and the same? I've always wondered, in what bizarre universe do Palin supporters live where they think insulting anyone who doesn't worship her make her a more attractive candidate. Here on planet Earth, Palin's approval ratings have been sinking like a stone over the last year and she has done absolutely nothing to help herself. Convincing her true believers is right on course, the rest of the population, not so much. Personally, I hope she runs. Then we can see once and for all how well she does without being told constantly by her supporters that she is The One.

218

We need someone that knows we are at war with Islam and isn't afraid to say 'They declared war.  We didn't start it, but we will damn well finish it.'

Praytell how the fuck you defeat Islam.

Is anyone going to serious put forward a proposal to kill a billion people and depopulate the mideast and central asia?

Islam is a pox, but get real.

219 I will repeat what I have always said about the choice of candidates in an election.

You should always choose the candidate who best represents your position on the issues. And as part of that you should temper that with how well you expect that candidate to hold to those positions.

It is often easy to find a a candidate's position now with the aid of the internet, but the second part is a little harder to do.

A candidate who often flip-flops based on expediency is likely to  flop when you want them to flip.

A candidate who cheats on his wife is likely to lie to you and cheat on you.

A candidate who has never held office at all has no record so everything they say has to be taken with a grain of salt.

These are the things that matter during a primary.

220 I do not heart Huckabee

that would be a definite "stay home or vote third party"

Posted by: BlackOrchid

So you believe Obama to be preferable in this instance? That is the result. Especially in a bettleground state like PA. I might be one of the only people that can do a third party 'protest' vote, because I'm in Delaware, and this pathetic little hole will whore itself out for the Dear Leader yet again. And yet, I will vote for whom/whatever the Republicans scrape up. It's that important.

221 Until someone can point out the differences between Huckabee and Obama to me, I'm not sure I could vote for him.

He's the only one I feel that way about.

Posted by: Tami at May 04, 2011 10:29 AM (VuLos)

Which is what I've heard/read/seen from most of the R-leaning or conservative blogs and websites I frequent, so I think we've got a good chance of him not winning the primaries.  I won't hang my hat on that because there's still a long way to go, but I haven't come across many candidates who are as openly disliked as Huck.

222 Abortion, Guns and God will have no bearing in the 2012 election. It always decides the Republican primary, though.

223

Also, excluding the isolated incident of 9/11 (which resulted in 2 wars and at least 3 regime changes, as well as substantial changes to our security policies), white-tailed deer still kill more Americans than explosive ragheads.

When are we going to get serious about removing real threats of death and injury to American citizens and fully prosecute the War on Large Herbivorous Wildlife?

Mandatory remedial statistics and risk assessment classes for all 300 million of you eejits.

224

Daniels IS smart.  Really, really smart. 

One of my favorite things about him is that after he left the Bush administration he went home to Indiana.  He could have stayed in Washington and made big bucks as a lobbyist or think-tank guru/talk radio host like Bill Bennett.  But he didn't.  He went home. 

Daniels was one of the guys sent in to help Bush look like he knew what he was doing. 

225 These are the things that matter during a primary.

Posted by: Vic at May 04, 2011 10:32 AM (M9Ie6)

This.

226 Nixon was a liberal Repub that the MFM despised.

Nixon was a disaster for the Republican Party and is the epitome of the "liberal country club" wing. He is the SOB who gave us the EPA and then appointed that mass murderer Rucklesnot to run it.

All should read up on the process that resulted in the banning of DDT. If I could I would dig that SOB up just so I could piss on his rotted corpse.

227 #257 Daniels seems to have more respect for Bush than you do.

228

Until someone can point out the differences between Huckabee and Obama to me, I'm not sure I could vote for him.

Barry or Michelle?

Maybe we can hit two birds with one stone and fight the War on Obesity by feeding everyone lean wild venison and banning beef.

229 Until someone can point out the differences between Huckabee and Obama to me, I'm not sure I could vote for him.
----

As much as I loathe him, I think I could vote for Huck.  I think he'd be kept in check by a Republican congress and I don't think he is as dangerous as Obama, by a long shot.

I don't think I could vote for Ron Paul. 

230 Myself,  I am not getting myself all upset about candidates.  Indiana's primary isn't until May,  and by then other states will probably have chosen the candidate.

So I am just watching.

Daniels would be an excellent president.  I just don't see how he gets there with his campaign style.  I also think his wife isn't ready to have her life put up on the big screen 24/7,  which is why she has been pretty much invisible as a first lady except for an exercise program (she's a runner) and judging the State Fair pork recipe contest each year.  The daughters are pretty much invisible as well.  I don't even know what they look like.

231 Nixon was an evil bastard and so where most all of his staff.

232

Great John Boehner says he doesn't want them to release the pictures.

F*ck you john boehner. That you for reminding me everyday why the republican establishment sucks so very very much. you freaking crybaby.

233

Heh

The Rock calls out the metrosexuals.

234

So you believe Obama to be preferable in this instance?

 

I think controlling the Senate and House with Sparky as teh WON is preferable to controlling the WH with Huckabee. Just sayin. Sometimes having a big powerful party is preferable to being a ping pong ball in the WH. More real shit gets done because the media cannot isolate a target. Thus they are reduced to reporting (a banishment they fear most).

235

Huntsman is a believer in the Green Agenda.  That alone should disqualify him.

Huckabee is a Democrat on economics and a Republican on social issues.  Also disqualified in my view.

236 Blue Hen, there is just no way on earth I could vote for a big-government a-hole like Huckster. I'd hate to have another term for BarryO but if Huck's the R nom, oh well. Anyone else you guys talk about, I'm fine with even if unhappy. Huckster would KILL the R brand even worse, it would be "deader" if that's at all possible. He's the worst of all possible worlds - a nanny state RINO who also likes bs'ing about social con issues. I've had my fill of former Arkansas governors for Prez, thank you.

237 rockmom,  It seems to me you are trying to foment a division between Reagan people and Bush people,  when many of them are the same people.

It's not productive,  and if you are trying to get votes for Daniels,  you're doing it wrong.

238 As much as I loathe him, I think I could vote for Huck.  I think he'd be kept in check by a Republican congress and I don't think he is as dangerous as Obama, by a long shot.

I don't think I could vote for Ron Paul. 

Posted by: Y-not

 

Really? You'd prefer Obama to Huckabee or Ron Paul? In a way, this is one of the better aspects of the Republican party. The "I'd vote for a yellow dog as long as it was registered Dem" is sickening. Repbulicans are far more likely to display independence. We know that Obama's percentage won't change much, at least with core constituancies, due to this. But if there is one time that Republicnas need to adopt this mode, it's in 2012.

239

rockmom,  It seems to me you are trying to foment a division between Reagan people and Bush people,  when many of them are the same people

Just as long as you leave us Calvin Coolidge people out of it, I'm not bothered by it.

240

Is anyone going to serious put forward a proposal to kill a billion people and depopulate the mideast and central asia?

Islam is a pox, but get real.

Posted by: Entropy at May 04, 2011 10:32 AM (IsLT6)

No but we can secure our borders, get ICE to work with local/state police to search out and deport all illegal criminals (and guys like the 3 terrorists the Heathers Admin granted citizenship to that were held on terror charges). We can hunt down their leaders. Etc., etc., etc.

There is a lot we can do. 

We can protect ourselves.  That is what I want them to say.  

Your interpretation of my comment seems too far fetched

241 There is a large segment of white male Republican voters who love boring white tax accountant wonks, and those types seem to really hate him.

He lost 3 to 1 to Mitt in a head-to-head poll of Utah Republicans.

The current governor, who is wildly popular (justifiably so), has already indicated he will not endorse his former boss. 

Huntsman really has no chance.

My husband works in fundraising and is moving the circle of large LDS donors.  They're backing Mitt.  (A couple are backing Palin.) 

242 I don't think I could vote for Ron Paul. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 04, 2011 10:39 AM (pW2o

I would vote for Ron Paul before I would vote for Huck.

243 Blue Hen, there is just no way on earth I could vote for a big-government a-hole like Huckster. I'd hate to have another term for BarryO but if Huck's the R nom, oh well.

Anyone else you guys talk about, I'm fine with even if unhappy.

Huckster would KILL the R brand even worse, it would be "deader" if that's at all possible. He's the worst of all possible worlds - a nanny state RINO who also likes bs'ing about social con issues.

I've had my fill of former Arkansas governors for Prez, thank you.

Posted by: BlackOrchid

 

When I recall the shit I went through during the Delaware Senate race, comments like this baffle me. There is no difference between running away from Huckabee and voting for Chris Coons.

244 Really? You'd prefer Obama to Huckabee or Ron Paul?

I said I could vote for Huckabee. 

I do not think I could vote for Ron Paul.  Obama with a Republican Congress is preferable to a lunatic who calls himself a Republican. 

245 I don't think I could vote for Ron Paul. 

RON PAUL!!!11!!!eleventy!!11!!!!!

246 lol Blue Hen I agree with you there! hey and while I was teasing my neighbor state a little bit, I certainly was NOT advising you one way or the other. THAT was a tough, tough spot. Consistently, I deferred to you actual Delawarians - it was your decision rightly. I don't have to vote for someone I am adamantly against - no one does. Anyway it won't matter, Huck won't be the nom.

247  Obama with a Republican Congress is preferable to a lunatic who calls himself a Republican. 

Posted by: Y-not is not a white male accountant

 

This should be bumped and added to every political thread posted here. A huckster who revels in being called the Messiah is preferable to Ron Paul.

248 As much as I loathe him, I think I could vote for Huck.  I think he'd be kept in check by a Republican congress and I don't think he is as dangerous as Obama, by a long shot.

I don't think I could vote for Ron Paul. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 04, 2011 10:39 AM (pW2o

Huckabee kept in check by a Republican congress led by Boehner?  Ooooh, I don't think so.....

249 I don't have to vote for someone I am adamantly against - no one does. Anyway it won't matter, Huck won't be the nom.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 04, 2011 10:48 AM (SB0V2)

I agree, I don't think he is going to run. That makes the SC primary wide open which is another reason it doesn't make since for Romney to skip it.

250

Abortion, Guns and God will have no bearing in the 2012 election.

They may have a bearing in the primaries -- and indeed probably will -- but when it comes to the general in 2012, you're right. 

Personally, the top three issues I'm looking at while trying to pick a candidate for the upcoming primaries are:

1) Do they have an actual plan for the economy, is it a GOOD plan, and are they the type who is going to stick to that plan?

2) What's their stance on our lax immigration policy and how do they plan to shore up the borders?  Amnesty is not an option.

3) Do they obfuscate and meander when they lay out their policies and beliefs, or do they cut right to the chase?

That third one isn't so much an issue as it is a character call, and something I feel strongly about.  YMMV. 

I have other things that are very important to me, but which I know will ahve to take a backseat this time around.  I'm pro-life, and I hate the idea of supporting a pro-choice candidate.  But unless there's some kind of pro-life legislation that crops up in Congress during the next presidential term, the President's stance on abortion will have very little impact on how the country is run. 

Gun rights are also very, VERY important to me.  I don't think any of the candidates I'm currently rooting for are anything other than 2nd Amendment diehards, but if another candidate - one who's weak on gun rights - is nominated, I will vote for him or her.  I won't like it, but I'll do it.

It's all about priorities.  The number one priority for ALL of us should be getting Obama out of the White House. 

251 Huckabee kept in check by a Republican congress led by Boehner?  Ooooh, I don't think so.....

You don't think the Republicans will make additional inroads in the House and Senate in 2012?  Because if we don't, we're screwed no matter what happens. 

If the House doesn't go deeper red, there's no way the populace is going to toss out an incumbent President who just did something "biblical." 

252 As much as I loathe him, I think I could vote for Huck.  I think he'd be kept in check by a Republican congress and I don't think he is as dangerous as Obama, by a long shot.

I wouldn't count on that. Look how they held in check the liberal actions of Bush.

253

"Huckabee kept in check by a Republican congress led by Boehner?  Ooooh, I don't think so....."

 

At the rate Boner is going, he will be ousted as Speaker in 2012. He is playing the non-obtrusive punching clown to prevent being Gringiched by the media. He thinks this is WINNING. He is right to defer to the possible Pres Candidates to goad the toad, but wrong in not not creating constant political tanglefoot for teh WON to dance to. He should really understand his role as indirect supporting arms in shaping the battlefield. 

254

MWR,

You're right, they will matter in the primaries but not the general election.

However, let's be clear, whoever our candidate is, they will be pro-gun as president, even if they aren't individually.

Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, etc. They will all be pro-second amendment in office.

Every program pushed by any president eats up political capital.  Look at Obama, he spent so much on healthcare that he's essentially a lame duck president. Non of his initiatives are going to be passed between now and 2012. Budgets, yeah.  Social programs, no.

 

So it is unlikely, dare i say impossible, than any republican president would waste any political capital on the weakening the second amendment.

Like taxes after reagan, we've won on the gun issue. Even the majority of democrats support gun rights, and those that don't tend to keep their mouths shut with a few exception.

I can promise you, whoever our candidate is in 2012, they will not restrict gun rights.  So, I wouldn't put too much weight on that issue in the primaries.

255

But if there is one time that Republicnas need to adopt this mode, it's in 2012.

OMG!

Why didn't anyone tell me that?

That is definetly something I have not heard every 2 years for decades and counting.

Cuz I would have remembered something like that.

Yesterday I thought today would be tomorrow, but here it is and it's still today again. So I'll keep all my money, which I promised to donate to charity tomorrow, about 5 years ago.

We'll see how tomorrow goes.

256 if the best we can put up against obama is huckabee.....then we get obama for another 4...and that's just the facts.....the old guard is not the answer.....it's not a step in the right direction...it's a LOSS...we need a conservative plain and simple....last november was a WAVE and we are not going to tolerate these namby pamby dickless gop candidates any longer.....we don't need someone who is going to "try and work" with the dems....we need someone who is going to make the republicans live up to the expectations of their constituents.....

257 Everyone here is in agreement that the Weeping Boner gets the gavel bitch-slapped from his hands.

258 295. Oh please God. I remember laughing at him when he took the gavel and was crying. My husband was all "oh you're so mean, give him a chance." I know a wuss when I see one - he's useless!

259 boehner is such a disappointment....he really should go on prime time and hit himself repeatedly with his gavel

260

Over at Hot Air,

Major Romney Staffer jumps ship. He says he's not sure what Romney stands for.

There could be a personal aspect, we don't know all the details, but I think he's got a point.

Romney, at the moment, is trying to be everything to everyone and while it's okay to stay out of the fray now, he's going to have to come out for or against issues sooner or later.

261 OT, but I just realized we don't have the regular DOOM thread today.  Are we in the clear?  Has the DOOM evaporated overnight? 

262 300. good point. all right I'm shutting up!

263 Has the DOOM evaporated overnight?
----
Yes.  The biblical actions of our brave President have eliminated all DOOM.


_{...unless Rush Limbaugh ruins it by saying something divisive on the radio.}

264

I can promise you, whoever our candidate is in 2012, they will not restrict gun rights.  So, I wouldn't put too much weight on that issue in the primaries.

Posted by: Ben at May 04, 2011 10:57 AM (wuv1c)

Right on all counts.  That's why it's not part of my weighted list; same as abortion.  They're just too much of a hot potato politically.

265

Miss Marple, I am sorry if that is how it looks.  I'm really not trying to foment anything, and certainly not to divide people, more to explain the history here to people who probably don't know.  I will review any further posts before submitting. 

I was part of the original Reagan administration, when I was very young.  I had a front row seat for the purge when the Bush people came in.  I later worked with a bigtime GOP pollster and learned alot there about how GOP nominations really work.  I have many friends in both camps who give me information.

I just think people need to know that there is not "a" GOP establishment.  There are older people with money and connections and organizations, and they are still divided between the old Reagan people and the old Bush people.  They are very powerful and will still likely decide who the 2012 GOP nominee will be. 

266 OT: I really wish they had used trained pigs but I love doggies too.....

Hero dog helped snare Osama

A FEARLESS four-legged recruit joined US Special Forces as they stormed Osama Bin Laden's secret lair.

The explosive-sniffing dog was strapped to an assault team member as they took on one of their greatest challenges to date.

He was part of the operation in which the elite US Navy Seals lowered themselves down ropes from three Black Hawk helicopters into the terrorist supremo's hideout in the town of Abbottabad, Pakistan, on Sunday.

The world's most wanted man, 54, was shot dead by a Special Forces marksman during the raid.

Heavily armoured hounds — equipped with infrared night-sight cameras — have been used in the past by the top-secret unit.

The war dogs wear ballistic body armour that is said to withstand damage from single and double-edged knives, as well as protective gear which shields them from shrapnel and gunfire.

http://tinyurl.com/3dp4e9m

267

 Obama with a Republican Congress is preferable to a lunatic who calls himself a Republican. 

Translation: Better a commie statist lunatic than a libertarian lunatic who will leave you the hell alone in potentially crazy ways.

Hey, to each their own.

Be nice if he wasn't a lunatic, but you haven't any options for that.

Have fun with your statists.

268 301 Everyone here is in agreement that the Weeping Boner gets the gavel bitch-slapped from his hands.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 04, 2011 11:00 AM (mHQ7T)

Hear, hear.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 04, 2011 11:03 AM (G/MYk)

I second!  Establishment GOP sucks!

269 301 Everyone here is in agreement that the Weeping Boner gets the gavel bitch-slapped from his hands.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 04, 2011 11:00 AM (mHQ7T)

...That conjures... such an unpleasant image.  Shouldn't he see a doctor for that?

(When coupled with the inevitable double entendre, that is.)

270

Shut the fuck up and vote for the nominee or we get Obama back.

--

I'll vote for the Republican nominee, but Ron Paul is not a Republican.  He just sticks an R after his name so he can get re-elected and rake in that sweet sweet pork pie. 

I think it's important to draw a line somewhere.  The Libertarians think the door is open for their wacko isolationist world view.  This little black duck is not falling for it.

271 The more we see things like this, the more likely a Paul Ryan candidacy appears.

272 I just heard on the radio that Harry Reid fell and dislocated his shoulder.  I'm thinking he was trying to scratch an itch on his dowager hump that caused the accident.  Either way, I hope the miserable fuck passed out from the pain and dogs and cats pissed on him.

273 fuck off, slobbering MSM!
/sock off

274 If the GOP nominee is not willing to second-guess the president, why not just fucking re-elect the president and eliminate the Muddle Man?

275 O/T:  Great.

Members of the controversial Westboro Baptist Church are coming to Savannah...

The group that often pickets military funerals and targets gays and lesbians plans to be here in a few weeks.

On the Westboro website, the schedule indicates members will demonstrate outside churches on Sunday, May 22nd.     

They'll return to some of Savannah's high schools on Friday, May 27th. Several schools are looking into the church's picket plans.

The City of Savannah says the group has not applied for a permit. However, Westboro doesn't need one unless the protest will include more than 100 people or block traffic or pedestrian walkways. 

276 Gabes - tweets today also remind us of another Obama foreign policy screw-up -- the Honduran "Coup" -- has been resolved.

277 Either way, I hope the miserable fuck passed out from the pain and dogs and cats pissed on him.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 04, 2011 11:06 AM (vEVry)

YOU owe me a new keyboard.  I do not often snort with laughter, but that took the cake!

278
Borders, language and culture!

279

Ace hit on a key to beginning to win this war yesterday: stop caring about Muslim sensitivity.  Every time you bow and scrape to avoid Allah's wrath you reinforce their superiority complex.  

Immigration needs to be addressed rationally with full consideration given to what happens to non-Muslims in nations with large Muslim populations.   Europe is our future if we don't change course.  

It's comical to talk about aggressive military action on a large scale when the reality is Three Cups of Tea and open borders, even moving in whole villages of angry Somali 'refugees' who immediately thank us by going on jihad back home. 

 

280 if the gop can't come up with a candidate to beat obama.....we are doomed....and stupid....and need vats of vaseline......

281

There is a discouragingly large number of people who seem to think life as we know it will end immediately if we do not bomb a sand dune and ban cigarettes.

Keep voting for unbridled power and authority to do whatever you feel must be done, and you'll get it.

Don't come crying to me if you don't like it.

I think though, that nature is self-correcting. Too many people like to keep busy busy busy, and they haven't enough hardship of thier own to deal with, so they fancy taking on other's.

That'll end.

282

The City of Savannah says the group has not applied for a permit. However, Westboro doesn't need one unless the protest will include more than 100 people or block traffic or pedestrian walkways. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 04, 2011 11:08 AM (UOM4

Buy eggs and set aside some water balloons.  Those asses need to be humiliated.

283 >>He should really understand his role as indirect supporting arms in shaping the battlefield. 
Posted by: Goober at May 04, 2011 10:55 AM (Q5+Og)

Spoken like someone that's spent some time in the general vicinity of Lawton, OK.

284 "311 The more we see things like this, the more likely a Paul Ryan candidacy appears."       The way I heard it was Thermopylae was defended against terrible odds for three days by a legion of accountants who were very unwilling to commit to the fight. Believe me. Ace.

285 Obi-Wan Mallamutt -- or we could just support the right of self-determination for all of the oppressed Hindu laborers in the GCC, then cut a deal with them.

286

Posted by: Tami at May 04, 2011 11:05 AM (VuLos)

Dogs are good too for offending Islamist sensibilities - doggies are considered unclean animals in Islam, particularly black ones (racist!).  

In fact, the Iranian mullahs (Tehran in particular) are considering banning all dog ownership.  Bastids! 

287

Just work for the nominee you like and then if you don't get him SUCK IT UP.

Sorry, but good god.

Posted by: dagny at May 04, 2011 11:02 AM (xFzMV)

So I'm just suppose to vote for someone because they stuck and R after their name?  Their record matters not?

So far no one has pointed out ONE difference between Obama and Huckabee, besides the letter after their name.

 

288 Now there's a stinky sock, whew!

289 He would do a great job on economic issues but it would be hard to vote for a man who is so obviously lacking in common sense.

290

It's comical to talk about aggressive military action on a large scale when the reality is Three Cups of Tea and open borders

We'll, that's quite sensible.

This military nonsense is nonsense. Lock the cockpit doors, cancel the visas, dress up like dead Osama for halloween, toss a couple korans on the barbie and Move On to more serious issues, like white-tailed deer fatalities and texting while driving.

291 Daniels is Fred 2.0. Yawn.

292 324 >>He should really understand his role as indirect supporting arms in shaping the battlefield. 
Posted by: Goober at May 04, 2011 10:55 AM (Q5+Og)

Spoken like someone that's spent some time in the general vicinity of Lawton, OK.

 

Infantry - not artillery. Just understand how it all fits together. Big guns knock em about and then we go in and gig em.

293 323

The City of Savannah says the group has not applied for a permit. However, Westboro doesn't need one unless the protest will include more than 100 people or block traffic or pedestrian walkways. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 04, 2011 11:08 AM (UOM4

Buy eggs and set aside some water balloons.  Those asses need to be humiliated.

------------------------

I'm thinking this would be a nice exercise for the recruits at Parris Island.

294 Whatever, I quit caring about the "RINO" name-calling bullshit ages ago. I still haven't stooped to calling any of the other GOP'ers names yet, maybe when I get a little more emotionally invested. Yeah, not gonna happen. If the Republicans beat Obama, I win. No matter who the candidate is. My preference is Romney,  my bane is Huck, but none of them are half as bad as O. That's just what a RINO would say, RINO-boy.

295

Posted by: Tami at May 04, 2011 11:12 AM (VuLos)

...and there are still morons here crowing about Scotty Brown (ittty-bitty  _^r)-MA getting elected

296

I'm thinking this would be a nice exercise for the recruits at Parris Island.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 04, 2011 11:15 AM (UOM4

You guys should do what that town in Mississippi (?) did.  Find all the Kansas plates in the hotel parking lot and park your cars behind them so they can't get out.

297 High energy prices and economic malaise will come and go but socialized medicine is forever.  I know the Republican party is spineless and stupid but to even consider the guy who did it in Massachusetts first is uneffingbelievable.

298 You have to work on the assumption that China will just passively stand by and let you do this. Cause if they decided not too....the quickest route will be to start dumping US bonds and then watch the dollar go up in flames.

It should be noted that doing so would torch their own economy as well.  A weak dollar is bad for them, and if they started unloading their bonds, they'd probably not find too many buyers.  It would hit China extremely hard.

I agree on the other points, but I think China's power vis-a-vis the debt is overstated.

299 Heh heh heh.....

Beck is playing a montage of all the MFM screw-ups with Osama's name....I literally have tears.  One guy announced President Osama Obama was killed.  lol.  Just this morning, I heard someone on Fox call Osama "Obama"...I cracked up.

300 didn't they get their tires slashed somewhere and NO ONE IN TOWN would help them out....no one would sell them new tires..... businesses have the right to refuse service.......

301

...and there are still morons here crowing about Scotty Brown (ittty-bitty  _^r)-MA getting elected

Posted by: beedubya at May 04, 2011 11:16 AM (AnTyA)

Trust me, that IS something to crow about.  I never expected him to amount to much as a Senator, but just the fact that someone with an R by his name could beat Coakley (it was HER TURN, dammit) is a sign of big rumbling discord in Mass.  Which is fine by me.  Maybe they'll finally stop invading NH and try to fix their own state instead of screwing over mine.

302 338

I'm thinking this would be a nice exercise for the recruits at Parris Island.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 04, 2011 11:15 AM (UOM4

You guys should do what that town in Mississippi (?) did.  Find all the Kansas plates in the hotel parking lot and park your cars behind them so they can't get out.

Posted by: Tami at May 04, 2011 11:16 AM (VuLos)

---------

Great idea, except this town is crawling with libs who just don't care.  Sounds like a job for our Tea Party.  Oh, I did just hear a gay/lesbian group is going to hold a rally in a park.  Yeah, that'll do a lot of good.

303 Keep voting for unbridled power and authority to do whatever you feel must be done, and you'll get it.

Entropy, I agree - I don't really understand how so many conservatives can be justifiably fearful of the state when it comes to nationalization of health care, but don't seem to mind a large state when it comes to matters of the military, or to law & order

304 oops, that was me

305 MATHIST!!!

306

>>So far no one has pointed out ONE difference between Obama and Huckabee, besides the letter after their name.

Posted by: Tami at May 04, 2011 11:12 AM (VuLos)

Preznit Bendover gathers bribes more efficiently than Fatso The Clown.

307 When does My Man Mitch pose on a tank a la Mike Dukakis? God what a wuss. 100%  Republican. Pass.

308 "but just the fact that someone with an R by his name could beat Coakley" The R means racist - MSNBC

309 rockmom,  Sorry I sounded snippy.

It's just that even though there are people who control money (and to a large extent,  the nominations) it doesn't always work that way.  Furthermore,  if these people cannot see beyond their own self-interest to the greater good for the country (such as Karl Rove's temper tantrum when O'Donnell won or McCain's continuing sniping at Bush even after he was president or the McCain staff's sabotage of Sarah Palin)  then we are really in big trouble.

I know,  for example,  that many of the Bush people,  particularly those aligned with the senior Bushes,  do not like Sarah Palin.  I know that they are hoping Jeb can runin 2016.  Well,  this is bunk as we cannot afford another 4 years of Obama,  which indicates to me that they are putting self-interest above the needs of the country.

I also have no doubt that Daniels is backed by a lot of Reaganites.   Also LUGAR people,  because that is where he got his start in politics,  working for Dick Lugar.

Still,  to make it sound like Bush didn't know what he was doing was very snarky,  and regardless of the machinations of Rove and Barbara Bush,  I think President Bush did a pretty good job and I do not like to hear Republicans bad-mouth him.  He isn't involved in this and is staying out of politics. 

310 Man I hate working. Looks like you guys are having fun in here.

311 >>Maybe they'll finally stop invading NH and try to fix their own state instead of screwing over mine.
Posted by: MWR at May 04, 2011 11:20 AM (4df7R)

Hey, I invaded NH and you'll never find me.

312

We worry about moderate Muslims getting sudden jihad syndrome from everything we do, but still claim it's like any other religion.  At some point the dissonance will clear up. 

313

Great idea, except this town is crawling with libs who just don't care.  Sounds like a job for our Tea Party.  Oh, I did just hear a gay/lesbian group is going to hold a rally in a park.  Yeah, that'll do a lot of good.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 04, 2011 11:20 AM (UOM4

There has to be a way to get both groups - the Westboro cultists and the LGBT brigade - to face off in the park.  Arm the gays and lesbians with the eggs and water balloons you've set aside, then stand back and let them go.  If the cultists strike back against the LGBTers they can be charged with a hate crime, whereas no one will bat an eyelash when Freddy Phelps gets a rotten duck egg in the eye.

314

"Trust me, that IS something to crow about.  I never expected him to amount to much as a Senator, but just the fact that someone with an R by his name could beat Coakley (it was HER TURN, dammit) is a sign of big rumbling discord in Mass.  Which is fine by me.  Maybe they'll finally stop invading NH and try to fix their own state instead of screwing over mine."

 

Its their DNA, they are programmed to destroy civility and true tolerance where ever they go. When they get their teat in a ringer, they will preach civility and forgiveness. Otherwise they just deconstruct, destroy and consume. They are parasitic organisms not creators.

315 heh...OT, but just read this comment at Daily Caller

"It’s a good thing Obama “got” bin Laden or else he would have never had a reason to visit Ground Zero. This is his first visit there. Perhaps he was always afraid of all the chickens there roosting."

316

Look, its probably best for you Daniels fans that he not tip his foreign policy hand right now. Anyone here think that NeoCon 2.0 is going to play well right now?  Anyone up for a big upping of the stakes in Labia or Syria?

_{didn't think so....}

317
Over 360 comments and nobody has pointed out today is Quatro de Cinco, the biggest of all Mexican-American holidays.

And you dumshits wonder why the GOP can't get the Latino vote!

318 i just wish that when a truly conservative candidate is running for office....any office...that the rino's in the party would hold their nose and vote for the guy/gal with the "r" after their name....because quite frankly it's the true conservatives that always have to hold their nose to vote for the rino....

319 Emporer Mallamutt, over there in the summer - all of the Arabs are in France or Lebanon - if weren't for British ex-pats, telling the Egyptians what the Hindus, Pakis, and Phillipinos should be doing, nothing would get done.

I'm not sure there is a majority of native Arabs any time of the year.

320

Points well taken, Miss Marple.  Thanks!  My comment about Daniels was not intended as a slap to Pres. Bush, more a defense of Daniels because there are a lot of assumptions that he was part of the "Bush crowd" just because he served in the administration.  He really wasn't.

BTW, the Bush people do hate Sarah Palin.  You are very right about that.  McCain's pick of her was another poke in their eyes.  He did not want anyone that the Bush people wanted.  His people feared that the Bush people would use the VP nominee to hijack his campaign.  There is serious hate between the McCain people and the Bush people. 

The Bush people are NOT conservative. 

321 Srsly! Next!

Christie, just run man.

322
What is Ace doing?

a) writing a 3000-word treatise on conspiracy
b) perusing japanese mature prOn
c) vacuuming the Cheetos from the sofa

323 ed....the fourth of fifth? you're celebrating drinking a fourth of what fifth?

324

But, in my scenario it wouldn't matter, since some of the gulf fields could easily be used to finance the Treasuries that the Chinese would be dumping.  And the future of China wouldn't be looking all too rosy after that, either - from our point of view.

Posted by: iknowtheleft
---------
Bloodless you say?

Your scenario gets us into a nuclear war

We've already had this discussion.  "re-taking" all the oil fields in the middle east is not possible.. well, maybe with a million US soldiers and decades commitment.  But the other super-power would never allow us to keep them that long.

Once again.. go google the maps of all the middle east oil fields, refineries and ports.

325 Oh look, the super-genius orator needs help...orating...

Barack Obama, the purported master orator, is spending a hundred thousand dollars of our tax money on an outside consultant to help him with his teleprompter skills. Perhaps last minute coaching is the reason why Sunday night's OBL speech was delayed so long. The hundred grand comes on top of the $624,000 payroll of the White House speechwriting team, so Obama's masterful oratory is costing us close to three quarter of million bucks a year. With that kind of money, Gilbert Gottfried could sound good.

From the American Thinker blog

326 Who else is there?
Posted by: Moose at May 04, 2011 08:08 AM (27j12)

saRAH paLIN....clap clap clapclapclap

All we have to do is find some candidate who is actually willing to take Obama on and at this point the first person to show some actual sack and a remotely coherent campaign has got my vote.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 04, 2011 09:16 AM

SARAH PALIN....clap clap clapclapclap.

327

"The Bush people are NOT conservative. "

rockman, are you implying that McCain is conservative? Goober is confused.

328

Yeah, well we won't win shit with the chorus of "I won't vote for X, I will stay home or vote 3rd party" already starting.

Shut the fuck up and vote for the nominee or we get Obama back.

God, this pisses me off.

Just work for the nominee you like and then if you don't get him SUCK IT UP.

Sorry, but good god.

Posted by: dagny

 

I wish that I'd said this. Wait....

329 I hate mayo

330
[redacted because it might offend muslims]

331 soothsayer as long as you buried it in a manner compliant to islam's laws.....you should be ok

332 OBSERVATIONS:

1.) Man are Obama and his team awful at PR and managing perceptions in the post-Osama game.  Botching the details of Osama's death story. (Armed or unarmed? Wife or daughter? Human shield? Did he put up real resistance or was he just shot point blank?  Dude, we won't mind either way -- fuck him.)  Wavering on whether to release the death photos. (If they had decided to keep them unreleased, then that would be okay, but promising them and then holding them back?  Way to absolutely turn people against you, dopes.)  These guys have a positive story dumped into their laps and they completely blow the political 'play'.

2.) Don't trust that "Business Insider" story at all.  Elsewhere on that page are articles theorizing that Bin Laden has really been dead since 2001 and was just pulled out of 'cold storage'.  This particular article is nicely woven together but honestly seems like a "just so" story, with no sourcing, designed to tell us exactly the sorts of things we want to hear: Obama is an indecisive puppet controlled by Valerie Jarrett (already something of a villain in the administration, the Chicago crony supposedly responsible for lots of other bad advice), doesn't really deserve any credit for what happened, the real balls of the admin come from Hillary and Gates and Panetta, etc. etc.  Too perfect.  And absolutely no reason to think it's true other than gee, that would be great if it is.

3.) Mitch Daniels is beginning to piss me off.  For the first time I credit the arguments that, even if he would make a good President, he's rendering himself unelectable with too much 'candor.' 

333 Hey Ace!  I think we beat this dead horse enough!  Can you post a new thread?

334 i want to see the video.......

335 Hey Ace!  I think we beat this dead horse enough!  Can you post a new thread?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

 

No shit Wilbur.

336
it's funny how WE can't talk about taking over the oil fields because we're worried about the world community will say, i.e., France.

but France has no problem removing dictators and propping up "rebels" that they can do business with.

337 Alvin Greene/Charlie Sheen 2012
The Ticket of WIN!!!!!

338 The war dogs wear ballistic body armour that is said to withstand damage from single and double-edged knives, as well as protective gear which shields them from shrapnel and gunfire. I'm glad the dogs are protected. Truly man's best friend, they give so much and are yet so vulnerable.

339

Goober, it depends on  how you define conservative.  McCain was, and is, a lot more conservative than he gets credit for.  He was groomed for years to be Reagan's successor.  He was definitely more conservative than Bush was in 2000.  He was a good soldier and carried water for Bush on immigration reform, but he voted against the Medicare drug entitlement and opposed the tax cuts because he feared ruinous deficits would result.  He is a fiscal hawk and a defense hawk, and staunchly pro-life.  I never understood where the "RINO" stuff came from with him, except on immigration. 

Karl Rove had a lot of Republicans convinced that immigration reform would cement the GOP as the majority party for the next century. 

340

Chi-Town Jerry and Mallamutt:  I think you're both right about a total military takeover of the ME oil fields being unfeasible and basically impossible without sustained, bloody conflict.  That may have been possible in the days of Machiavelli, but not in today's war weary world

But I also agree with iknowtheleft that something needs to be done to gain more control over those fields and thus begin to curtail and deconstruct the power that backwards region of the world holds over the rest of the globe.  I don't know what the solution to that quandary is, and I doubt any of our current politicians would choose to undertake anything of that magnitude, but I think it doesn't hurt to have the conversation. 

Of course one of the easiest steps to take from a purely American standpoint would be to DRILL, BABY, DRILL, here in our own country so we'd be less beholden to the ME.  One question: would we have enough oil, if we chose to drill, to become a net exporter?  Nothing like competition to bring power-hungry despots in line.

341 What is Ace doing?

a) writing a 3000-word treatise on conspiracy
b) perusing japanese mature prOn
c) vacuuming the Cheetos from the sofa his beard and back hair.

FIFY

342 so taking over the oil fields is considered a serious idea? srsly?

we shouldn't do it not because it might piss off the French - we shouldn't do it because (a) we're not imperialists and (b) there is no fucking way we can pacify all of that real estate with all of those people.

343 Mitch Daniels: The RINO's last hope...

344

I don't think she has a shot in hell, but damned if I don't like it.

http://tinyurl.com/6xhk3mm

And we're fucked anyway.

345

I agree with you that in normal circumstances, China would not do it. But under the fantasy scenerio painted by iknowtheleft, it may be the one time they would seriously do it.

Posted by: C3PO Mallamutt, celebrating May 4th day at May 04, 2011 11:23 AM (OWjjx)

It's hard to say what happens in fantasy scenarios.  Provided the US suddenly found the resolve to launch a comprehensive assault on the Middle East, it's possible the US and China would divide it between them to keep from larger economic ruin.

I'm probably in the minority of thinking that China is not as well off as it appears.  It's economy produces warehouses full of cars no one is buying, their monetary policy basically operates by decreeing their money has a set value, and any bad news in their economy doesn't make it out of the country.  I think if it became clear they weren't getting their money back, they'd be facing an existential crisis greater than our own (which is saying something).

346
France, (and the UK), played us and NATO like finely tuned instruments.

What we're doing in Libya = France taking over Libya's oil.

347
ed....the fourth of fifth? you're celebrating drinking a fourth of what fifth?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 04, 2011 11:33 AM (eOXTH)

It's the fourth day of May (the fifth month).

Quatro de Cinco. Big Holiday!

You've never heard of it? Why are Republicans so stupid?

348

385 Hey Ace!  I think we beat this dead horse enough!  Can you post a new thread?

 

Yeah Ace, some more insight on Ryan is required now that we have dispatched Daniels.

349 We need a new thread, where art thou monty?

350 Ace has been blogging so hard over the last week or so that he blew a gasket and is in the shop.

351 we did amnesty before.....it cemented nothing

352

Of course one of the easiest steps to take from a purely American standpoint would be to DRILL, BABY, DRILL, here in our own country so we'd be less beholden to the ME.

Won't someone think of the Texas lizards?! 

353 But I also agree with iknowtheleft that something needs to be done to gain more control over those fields and thus begin to curtail and deconstruct the power that backwards region of the world holds over the rest of the globe.

Solar energy.  seriously.  there is more energy coming from the sun than we could possibly get from all the fossil fuels.  Not government-run solar power subsidies like the left wants, but just opening up the flood gates of innovation, doing it the free market way.

354

"398 France, (and the UK), played us and NATO like finely tuned instruments.

What we're doing in Libya = France taking over Libya's oil."

 

Soothsayer, I told you this months ago. Why does NATO exist - to enable Americans to clean up after Europeans. Europe, nursing home to the world.

355 "Maybe it's just me, but I'd prefer a candidate willing to stand up and say that President Obama is doing wrong, not just "arithmetically", but as a matter of policy."

saRAH paLIN clap clap clapclapclap.

Also, please to enjoy the results of the latest hot air Republican primary.

SARAH PALIN clap clap clapclapclap.

356 STOP PICKING ON JUSTIN BIEBER!!!!!!

357 c) vacuuming the Cheetos
---

So you're saying he's getting a bj? 

358 rockmom,  you are completely forgetting McCain' insistence that his idiotic campaign finance reform bill be passed before anything else in the Senate.

That bill wasn't very conservative,  and it is also the original source of his reputation as a RINO.

359 1.) Man are Obama and his team awful at PR and managing perceptions in the post-Osama game. Also, the pathetic roll out with the one hour delay in making the announcement. That's how the story linked story succeeds on so many levels: Who is the mystery girl? Why is the President in golf clothes having just arrived after most of the others in the room? Hillary has the operations folder. Where is Jarrett? Why did Obama need 16 hours to sleep on it? Why did they push it back a day? How come nobody could get the story straight? It's all quite plausible, near perfect, but no sources and never will be. Quite an entertaining read, though!

360

One question: would we have enough oil, if we chose to drill, to become a net exporter?

Yes. Yes we would.

361 Not government-run solar power subsidies like the left wants, but just opening up the flood gates of innovation, doing it the free market way.

I think if solar were viable, some university would have demonstrated that by now.  The technology is just not there yet. 

362

Won't someone think of the Texas lizards?! 

Posted by: EPA & PETA at May 04, 2011 11:45 AM (sOtz/)

I was thinking more of displacing the gnats from ANWR and the polar bears from the Arctic circle, but whatever floats your boat... ;-)

363 Why did Obama need 16 hours to sleep on it?

he was just dead tired after a long day of golfing.

364

Solar energy.  seriously.  there is more energy coming from the sun than we could possibly get from all the fossil fuels.  Not government-run solar power subsidies like the left wants, but just opening up the flood gates of innovation, doing it the free market way.

on this note, we need to find a way to collect the solar energy in space and then get it down to earth. 

365 And while I am remembering McCain's faults,  he was an early believer in global warming and a proponent of cap and trade.

366 403 Ace has been blogging so hard over the last week or so that he blew a gasket and is in the shop.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 04, 2011 11:44 AM (U8Os0)

I think the regime has taken Ace captive because he was railing against all the conspiracies that have sprung up in light of OBL's death.  What Ace didn't realize is that the regime started the conspiracies.

It's a theory.

367 363 heh...OT, but just read this comment at Daily Caller

"It’s a good thing Obama “got” bin Laden or else he would have never had a reason to visit Ground Zero. This is his first visit there. Perhaps he was always afraid of all the chickens there roosting."

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at May 04, 2011 11:29 AM (6WiaV)

It would be wonderful to see Obama greeted at Ground Zero with signs asking "Why visit now?  You haven't seen fit to do it before!"

Of course, there will be throngs of astroturfed supporters as well as true believers, and the media will be sure to report that Obama was greeted like a conquering hero.  I'm very proud of Bush for not allowing himself to be used for an extremely disrespectful photo op!  This is sickening.

368 I'm probably in the minority of thinking that China is not as well off as it appears.

I hope you're not in the minority in right-thinking circles.  China's economic path to prosperity is unsustainable (and somewhat of an illusion anyway). 

369 And to be honest I don't know why more conservatives don't like the idea of having more green energy solutions.  You don't have to embrace the bullshit subsidies that the statists want in order to promote the idea that we should use more green energy sources.  Is it because the idea has been so poisoned by the oil-company demonization of the left?

370

on this note, we need to find a way to collect the solar energy in space and then get it down to earth.

Wait til Walmart has a sale on extension cords.  

 

371 How about a candidate who is willing to step up and say what the president is doing right?

I'm no fan of Obama, the ideologies he believes in, or the policies they inspire.  But neither am I looking to vote for a partisan hack, or have to hear from one.

My first allegiance is always to the truth, and if Obama does something right (blind squirrels and all), I really don't want to see somebody twisting themselves into rhetorical knots trying to portray that choice as wrong.

By the same token I'm insulted by apologists who look for ways to cast demonstrably bad ideas and decisions by conservative candidates or officials in a positive light. 

Partisan whackery is a big part of why our nation is in this mess.  Convincing with political leanings that they have to SUPPORT everything about their own people, even when they are wrong, and NOTHING about the other side , even when they are right, is a formula for ensuring that both major political parties are perpetually corrupt.

Here in Tempe we have a Republican mayor who has betrayed our party and its ideals, and yet we have people who still want to support him just because he has an R next to his name.  Politics is not a team sport.  Supporting bad people with bad ideas for the color of their jersey is foolish.  The converse is equally foolish. 

372 I'd request that JeffB be a coblogger and write a post but because he is so much smarter than a lot of us I may not be able to comprehend it's content.

373 >>so taking over the oil fields is considered a serious idea? srsly?

we shouldn't do it not because it might piss off the French - we shouldn't do it because (a) we're not imperialists and (b) there is no fucking way we can pacify all of that real estate with all of those people.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 04, 2011 11:42 AM (7mSYS)

It would be a lot simpler to liquidate all of the enviro nazis and develop our own oil and nat gas production to the point of energy independence and economic prosperity.

And they wouldn't be missed for any productive contribution that they make besides their gaia gurgling.

374 The NYT poll with the +11 Obama bounce also shows he has a 34% approval rating on the economy. All this talk about the 2012 election being a cake-walk are nonsense.

375

Daniels is McCain redux.

Meanwhile, President Petey tells Texas to fuck off

376

"Solar energy.  seriously.  there is more energy coming from the sun than we could possibly get from all the fossil fuels.  Not government-run solar power subsidies like the left wants, but just opening up the flood gates of innovation, doing it the free market way."

 

This reminds me of the conspiracy theories during the 70s about how BIG OIL was hiding and controlling alternative energy technologies to insure their oil field's ROI. Nobody is stopping anyone from harnessing the SUN. I believe the point is that no one knows how to do this cost effectively. INNOVATE=WINNING. We need some innovation around here.

377
Jimmah Cartah:  "Huntsman a very attractive GOP candidate."

Ole Jimmah administers the squeakhole ram to Huntsman,  and ends his chance at the nomination.  Jimmah is consistently inconsistent, and the democrat party's resident Clown in Chief.

378 >>Also, the pathetic roll out with the one hour delay in making the announcement. That's how the story linked story succeeds on so many levels: Who is the mystery girl? Why is the President in golf clothes having just arrived after most of the others in the room? Hillary has the operations folder. Where is Jarrett? Why did Obama need 16 hours to sleep on it? Why did they push it back a day? How come nobody could get the story straight? It's all quite plausible, near perfect, but no sources and never will be. Quite an entertaining read, though!

You don't know *just how badly* I want to believe that Washington Insider story is true.  HOW BADLY.  You're right, it's plausible and near-perfect, but that's exactly why my senses are tingling.  It's just too good to be true. 

You're right that it's quite an entertaining read, though.  If the media had any balls they'd run this angle down.

379 Lets forget about what they said in the past.
Because right now they are going to tell you what you want to hear, of course once they get elected all bets are off.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

380
Lee, great comment.

I've been trying to tell all my friends here how I now look at Obama in a completely different light.

Could you do me a favor, Lee, and tell our fellow Republicans here all the things Obama has done right? Thanks, buddy.

381 423 And to be honest I don't know why more conservatives don't like the idea of having more green energy solutions.

When I see a green energy solution that's not only technologically feasible (I mean, within the next few years) but also economically viable, I will embrace it.  No such solution exists now. 

382

Won't someone think of the Texas lizards?! 

Posted by: EPA & PETA

 

Okay. I'm glad that KBL is retiring. Happy?

383 Solar energy.  seriously.  there is more energy coming from the sun than we could possibly get from all the fossil fuels.  Not government-run solar power subsidies like the left wants, but just opening up the flood gates of innovation, doing it the free market way.

on this note, we need to find a way to collect the solar energy in space and then get it down to earth. 

Posted by: Ben at May 04, 2011 11:49 AM (wuv1c)

This and this.  You can't tell me there isn't some egghead student at MIT who hasn't been scribbling schematics of the better, more efficient space shuttle in the margins of his lab notes during mandatory Literature classes for the last three years.  The same goes for solar energy capture and transmission.  I fully believe the brainpower and entrepreneurial know-how are out there to get this stuff done.  It's just a matter of getting them together without having to jump through bureucratic hoops of red tape.

384 U.S. private employers added 179,000 jobs in April, coming in shy of economists' expectations, a report by a payrolls processor showed on Wednesday.

From Reuters.

385 chemjeff i have no problem with efficient green solutions but...what solutions out there are more efficient than oil?

386
That poll is wrong. I'm not at all worried about the economy now that Osama bin Laden has been brought to justice.

I'm sure Obama will do to our economy what he did to Osama. Just give him time, friends.

387

And to be honest I don't know why more conservatives don't like the idea of having more green energy solutions.  You don't have to embrace the bullshit subsidies that the statists want in order to promote the idea that we should use more green energy sources.  Is it because the idea has been so poisoned by the oil-company demonization of the left?

It's not opposition to "green" energy in principle, it's the fact that they're not economically viable without massive subsidies.  Expressing support for "green" energy solutions generally implies support for subsidizing them.

388 It's because the words "green energy solution" have invariably meant billions of wasted taxpayer dollars. The ethanol fiasco alone should be enough to obliterate any thoughts of green subsidies in the future, but it hasn't. Private companies are more than welcome (no doubt lower taxes and less regulation would help) to pursue whatever they want, as are entrepeneurs. What else can the Gubmint do?

389 423 And to be honest I don't know why more conservatives don't like the idea of having more green energy solutions.

I'm all for choice.  The more choices the better.  My pet thing is seeing what we can squeak out of solid wastes, not being a big fan of city dumps and needless waste.  (I hereby denounce myself.) 

But I don't like - nor do you, judging from your earlier comment - the government propping up non-viable companies (or university research projects for that matter) with my tax money to solve a crisis that doesn't exist. 

I've hung around enough scientists (top men, top men!) and engineers to have formed the impression that solar is not commercially viable on a big scale yet.  If it were, ASU or Purdue or some other university with the research park infrastructure would have put it out by now. 

390

U.S. private employers added 179,000 jobs in April, coming in shy of economists' expectations, a report by a payrolls processor showed on Wednesday.

"Coming in shy of expectations" is apparently the new "unexpected".

391
Why are we against clean energy? I never understood that.

And why are we against health care?

392

"Coming in shy of expectations" is apparently the new "unexpected".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 04, 2011 11:58 AM (SY2Kh)

They must have gotten the memo that the "unexpected" meme is as played out as the racism card.

393 #449,  That's why I posted it, Hollowpoint!  I figured they were trying to think of a new way to say it.  HA!

394
And why are we against immigration?

395 well, Lee does have a point - if we want to win over anyone other than those already committed, we do have to acknowledge what Obama has done right.  giving the order to kill OBL was the right thing to do.  now, we don't need to overdo it with the credit - he didn't actually pull the trigger or anything - but it won't kill us to say "yes Obama deserves credit for  giving the order, so that's plus 1 on the positive column, but it's still a Minus eleventy on the negative column"

396 Interesting how this is the guy the "intellectual elites" love so much.

397 450
Why are we against clean energy? I never understood that.

And why are we against health care?
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Old people's bodies make excellent fuel. 

398 I've hung around enough scientists (top men, top men!) and engineers to have formed the impression that solar is not commercially viable on a big scale yet.  If it were, ASU or Purdue or some other university with the research park infrastructure would have put it out by now. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 04, 2011 11:57 AM (pW2o

Hell, you'd see it in places like Vegas.  There are a few solar panels there, but if you can't power a desert city with solar power, what can you use it for?

399

And to be honest I don't know why more conservatives don't like the idea of having more green energy solutions.

Are you kidding? I love green solutions. However I only like the ones that work and are economically feasable.

I think most conservatives do.

I tend to buy energy efficient products when they are affordable and support innovation. However, I don't support 99% of the green issues we publically fund.  They almost always end in failure.

I'll tell you, and Tom Friedman, the green revolution will come but it won't be led by the government, but rather individuals and private companies.

400

The only green solution which will run most present-day cars is CNG.  And that suggests a lot of fracking which the greens are totally against. 

401
If Lee's point is about us being intellectually honest, I'm fine with that.

But we already are the party that is honest.

402 459 The only green solution which will run most present-day cars is CNG.
---

Time for a trade-in!

403

And to be honest I don't know why more conservatives don't like the idea of having more green energy solutions.

 

Conservative answer: None of them fucking work. And that is the convoluted reason why conservatives don't like them. Someone else already referred to them as boutique energy sources. They have either been practical small scale solutions, except for the presence of small efficient gasoline/diesel generators, or ludicrous scams that are foisted off on taxpayers and which enrich the conmen  pushing them. The Univ of Del had a solar house that were were dragged through in grade school (1970s). Look around. Delaware is not and probably never will deploy that concept except outside of a controlled, subsidized experiment.

404 I have installed power systems for DoD all over the world; solar is OK for a very limited set of applications.  The only off-grid, reliable source of power is falling water -- which is only available in a few places.

405

I'm sure Obama will do to our economy what he did to Osama. Just give him time, friends.
Dman, I'm so stealing that.

406 i absolutely love the green solution to dish detergents!!!!!! i get to use double the water rewashing my dishes and it wastes my time!!!!!! but i feel good about not poisoning the environment!!!! EARTH FIRST.....people are so over rated!

407
But I suspect Lee is copying & pasting his words of wisdom on many conservative blogs.

Out of concern, possibly.

408

It's not opposition to "green" energy in principle, it's the fact that they're not economically viable without massive subsidies.  Expressing support for "green" energy solutions generally implies support for subsidizing them.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 04, 2011 11:56 AM (SY2Kh)

And grant $$$ to scientists alchemists who pretend that the solution is right around the corner. 

409 And that suggests a lot of fracking which the greens are totally against.

I frack anything so your like totally wrong.

410 Will someone wake the fucking Ewok and get us a new thread?

411 Hell, you'd see it in places like Vegas.  There are a few solar panels there, but if you can't power a desert city with solar power, what can you use it for?

I will say this - solar power might be the excuse we need to mine the hell out of everything as like never before, given the amount of raw materials needed we'll need to make the solar panels to provide even 10% of the electricity America uses daily, . 

/Which is the big problem with harvesting solar power here on Earth for large-scale electricity generation - the energy density is just too damn low. 

412 Just heard an update on the radio news that Eric Holder wants to birng the Patriot Act back, full-on (I honestly don;t know what they mean; I had no idea it was ever curtailed significantly).

Fucking unprincipled Demotard hypocrites.  Zero gets no fucking credit for me for OBL while running this Copperfield Special.

413 @465 i absolutely love the green solution to dish detergents!

lol.

So I actually buy those ("Pure & Clear" stuff), but it's because I destroyed a big section of my carpeting when I dropped a grocery bag and the cap came off of a traditional dishwashing liquid (the bright orange kind).  Now only the dye-free stuff enters my house.  Fool me once, baby!

414

Are you kidding? I love green solutions. However I only like the ones that work and are economically feasable.

This!  As everyone has said, ne?  That's why the left annoys me so much (one of many things).  They assume that because I don't want to subsidize failing companies that are pumping out crappy technology it means I want belching smokestacks on every horizon and nuclear waste dumped into the ocean.  What?  In what universe do these people live?

(I assume it's also the universe where not supporting abortion means I want women to die of cancer, and not supporting state-mandated health insurance means I want to take grandpa to the woodshed ala Ole Yeller.)

Green energy should be efficient energy, and it should be affordable and simple (not CFL bulbs laced with mercury, for instance).  Give us that and you've won our hearts and minds.  Forcing it down our throats while cutting off our ownly genuinely affordable and efficient energy sources isn't going get you anywhere.  It'll just make the fight even harder for anyone who really does have a great idea and an affordable solution.

415

Are you kidding? I love green solutions. However I only like the ones that work and are economically feasable.

I think most conservatives do.

I hope you are right but I don't always get that vibe from fellow conservatives when talking about it.  I think there is a substantial number of conservatives out there who have a knee-jerk reaction to green energy as "it's a slippery slope to banning cars".  And I agree that the fascist enviro-nazis out there do want to ban cars but that is not what I mean when I talk about green energy.

416 By the way morons, today is "Star Wars Day"  May the fourth be with you.

_{(God I feel like a dick typing that)}

417 Begone B. Obama, economic genius and friend to the commoners!

418 The only off-grid, reliable source of power is falling water -- which is only available in a few places.

Posted by: Jean

 

This is not true. The  original DuPont co black powder mills were sited along the Brandywine river, made the DuPonts rich, and supplied the Federal army in the Civil war. It is interesting to note that they installed a steam plant to supplement the water power of the mills in the event of dry seasons, when the river ran low; too low to support the powder mills.They later added electricity. If water power was so reliable, they wouldn't have taken those steps.

The same can be said for the retirement of clipper ships.

419 Jimmah Cartah: "Huntsman a very attractive GOP candidate." Hamas endorsed Obama, and he killed Osama.

420 LI:     Via TaxProf comes this news:  51% of income "tax filing units" now pay no federal income tax.  While that does not necessarily translate into 51% of the population, it still shows that there is a strong political incentive to pander to those who pay no federal income taxes and to wail against the "rich."

Being "rich" now means you pay federal income taxes.

421
Mocking Eric Holder all the time isn't going to help us win elections.

He's working hard for us investigating the greedy oil companies and speculators. Don't you want lower gas prices? Support Holder.

422

I hope you are right but I don't always get that vibe from fellow conservatives when talking about it.  I think there is a substantial number of conservatives out there who have a knee-jerk reaction to green energy as "it's a slippery slope to banning cars".  And I agree that the fascist enviro-nazis out there do want to ban cars but that is not what I mean when I talk about green energy.

I think that is a fair assessment. However, can you blame that segment of conservatives? Green(ism) and Environmentalism have been sold to us in a way that makes it appear as nothing more than a neo-luddite movement who's end goal is less humans on this earth.

Also, given the rule by fiat of the EPA and the attempted expansion of OSHA to include things that clearly are int he original Occupational Safety and Health Act, covservatives, and Americans in general have good reason to be skeptical.

Let's be clear. Most conservatives do have a knee-jerk reaction to environmentalists because modern environmentalists are left wingers and/or the democratic party.  If Environmentalism ever becomes depoliticized, and not subsidized by the public, then I do think it will become more popular with main stream conservatives.

I personally think that many conservatives are naturally conservationists.  I also think that most conservatives love saving money, so if in fact energy efficient products are in fact energy efficient, then we will begin buying them in mass.

 

423 ....imagine a company being in business to make money......how greedy.....imagine people trying to make money in the stock market.....how greedy......jeez lifelong republican...you sound like a rino

424

I hope you are right but I don't always get that vibe from fellow conservatives when talking about it.  I think there is a substantial number of conservatives out there who have a knee-jerk reaction to green energy as "it's a slippery slope to banning cars".  And I agree that the fascist enviro-nazis out there do want to ban cars but that is not what I mean when I talk about green energy.

Posted by: chemjeff

 

Left: We are taking away your toilets.

Us: Why?

Left:They use too much water. And you fascists are making the earth/mother earth/gaia/whatthefuckever run dry.

Us: Uh...okay

Left: We are taking away your dish detergent.

Us: Why?

Left: Because it somehow poisons earth/mother earth/gaia/whatthefuckever

Us: This is causing us to use more water.

Left: So?

Us: can we have our toilets back?

Left: Haters!!!!!!!

425 Fake Tea Party Candidate Running in Upstate New York Special Election

426 I believe the countryÂ’s at a very perilous point arithmetically This is Mitch Daniel's central problem. It is something I've noticed before. He thinks the national debt is our modern day Pearl Harbor, when it's actually our modern day Fort Sumter. The debt is not due to some external unexpected catastrophe like Hurricane Katrina. The debt is caused by leftist agitation for more federal spending, with the ultimate Cloward-Piven goal of collapsing the economy and forcing America into a Communist dictatorship. Mitch Daniels refuses to face up to the fact that there is a right side and a wrong side, and that the wrong side is within our country and currently in the White House and in control of the Senate. Evidence of this: 1. He calls for a truce on social issues. Leaving aside the fact that "social issues" are undefined--during the Nineties, gun control was considered a social issue, even though gun ownership is widespread throughout the country and not associated with any particular region or subculture--the fact is that Daniels seems to think that by abandoning social issues, he can forge some "grand bargain" on the debt with the Left, who, in his opinion, seem to oppose us merely because we're so "undiverse." Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Left doesn't support socialism because the anti-socialists are too prudish. Rather, they oppose prudishness because they believe that widespread immorality will hasten the Cloward-Piven collapse and lead to socialism. They are an implacable enemy, and cannot be negotiated away. 2. Daniels also has mentioned the possibility of a VAT (value-added tax). Once again, he is personalizing the debt as the enemy, when the debt is no more an enemy than guns are murderers. The debt is a tool used by our enemies--the Left. I repeat myself, but the debt is planned and deliberate, not some external issue that can be placed outside politics. 3. Daniels was OMB Director under Bush II. Need I say more? 4. Now he talks about a "perilous point arithmetically" as if this were an algebra problem that can be solved and turned in for an A. It isn't. This is not a "brain" problem, this is a "balls" problem. To use pop culture references: Mitch Daniels is Velma, when we need Dirty Harry.

427 Rasmussen's new poll about Republicans losing support for the budget is also a bit misleading. The list of questions asked are open-ended but they do yield some interesting results:

31% of voters accurately believe the proposal presented by Ryan calls for major changes in defense, Social Security and Medicare. 16% say it does not change these politically sensitive areas, but 53% arenÂ’t sure. 48% of voters recognize that it is necessary to make major changes in defense, Social Security, and Medicare to make truly significant, long-term cuts in spending.

But only 33% have paid attention to the plan. This is also interesting but not surprising:

Mainstream voters who have an opinion of Ryan are inclined to view him favorably, while those in the Political Class tend to view him unfavorably.

Fifty-three percent (53%) of the Political Class have no opinion of the Ryan budget proposal, but 46% oppose it. Forty-five percent (45%) of Mainstream voters are not sure what they think of the plan, but the others by a 32% to 23% margin favor it.

428 I keep confusing Osama and Osama, I mean Obama.

429 Ben, no I can't really blame conservatives for being suspicious of anything that smacks of fascist environmentalism, but not all environmentalism is fascist in nature.

430 Ive wondered why wave action hasn't been utilized as a energy source or is it. A long time ago I saw a mock up if a platform built in sections and connected by pistons that would harness the wave energy by the pistons moving in and out as the platform rode the waves.

431

Time for a trade-in!

Well, Mr. President, there's a bit of a problem there.  No CNG infrastructure or many CNG cars to buy.   I think there are some trucks and buses. 

 

432

Miss Marple, very good point. IMO, though, McCain went for campaign finance reform because he wanted revenge against the Bush money-people who he thought stole the Presidency from him in 2000.  It wasn't a liberal/conservative thing to him.  He really believed that Rove did some crazy underhanded shit in that campaign, including the made-up robocalls about his black child in South Carolina.  You have to look at a lot of what he did during the Bush years as one long string of trying to get even. 

Certainly does not recommend McCain as President.  He is a mean and vindictive SOB, and he will always believe that he should have been President but Rove and co. robbed him of it.  This, ironically, was the same attitude the Bush people had when Reagan got elected.

I am hoping that Reince Priebus and Michael Ayers, and to a lesser erxtent Sarah Palin and the people around her, represent a changing of the guard at last in the GOP.  All these Bush/Reagan feuds are killing the party.  These people nbeed to retire and let all their petty fights go.  They all had their days in the sun and it is time to go sit in the rocking chair and let others carry on. 

433 " I saw a mock up if a platform built in sections and connected by pistons that would harness the wave energy by the pistons moving in and out as the platform rode the waves." I saw this movie

434 also, about the "I'll support green energy when it's efficient" argument: There is a bit of a problem, in that fossil-based energy has a huge built-in advantage over every other source of energy, the infrastructure already exists for it.  So if I invented "Magic Unicorn Fairy Dust Fuel" tomorrow, it would not be as cost-effective as using ordinary gasoline because the costs to deliver Fairy Dust Fuel also must include the costs of the infrastructure to dispense it.

435

Ive wondered why wave action hasn't been utilized as a energy source or is it.

Environmental impact is questioned.  Everything the greens support they also oppose.  There are wave projects in Europe.  

436 also, about the "I'll support green energy when it's efficient" argument: There is a bit of a problem, in that fossil-based energy has a huge built-in advantage over every other source of energy, the infrastructure already exists for it.  So if I invented "Magic Unicorn Fairy Dust Fuel" tomorrow, it would not be as cost-effective as using ordinary gasoline because the costs to deliver Fairy Dust Fuel also must include the costs of the infrastructure to dispense it.

Posted by: chemjeff

 

Explain why the infrastructure for sailing ships was tossed aside in a matter of decades after the introduction of steam power.

Explain why the infrastructure for canals was supplanted by railroads.

Explain why the infrastructure of most railroads was supplanted by aircraft, cars and trucks

437 Hey, where's Perry Ace?

438 Margaret Carlson: 'Professor Obama Turned Into General Obama And Ran This Incredible Raid'

439 Islam only fosters male insecurity, in the likes of a Compton street gang---only on a cosmic scale.  Unless they, (gang members/Muslims), can only function and act "tuff" with group support.  Left all by their lonesome, puff, crying like a baby. I've watched enough "48 Hours"and, or Muslim bros to see a significant correlation with these two entities.  Someone, with writing expertise will do something with this.  But, it will be a puff in the wind of the left-tard maniacs.

440

Ben, no I can't really blame conservatives for being suspicious of anything that smacks of fascist environmentalism, but not all environmentalism is fascist in nature.

Indeed.

That's why the environmentalism will never succeed until it's a private initiative.  IMHO

441
Chris Matthews is a racist and he thinks Obama is a Muslim.
Last night he said Obama instead Osama.

442
Did you hear Joan Walsh? Everything she said was either a wild exaggeration or a lie.

443 #495

Your posts in this thread about camps in the Republican Party have been on point. Romney and Daniels are the two candidates receiving the most attention from party insiders and fundraisers. Pawlenty is trying to replace one of them.

Palin, Huckabee, Gingrich, and the rest have a more electorally focused strategy. They hope their polls numbers are high enough to convince insiders of their viability. So far, they are not doing a good job of that.

Huckabee is a really interesting case. He is around the top of all of the polls, but so few people are in his corner. He has some electoral strengths but has shown no real ability for fundraising at all. Just as an example, Obama has raised as much money in the last month as Huckabee raised in the entire Republican primaries in 2008.

444 OT

HUGE NeWS

JAWA:
Confirmed: Osama bin Laden into Goats, Possibly SheepSixteen-year-old Daniel Alvi, one of those who regularly played soccer and cricket in the field in front of the compound, said he daily saw a man in a red Suzuki van drive into [Osama's] compound with a live goat...

445 I think there is a substantial number of conservatives out there who have a knee-jerk reaction to green energy as "it's a slippery slope to banning cars". Can you blame them, though? Often leftist movements start in the private sector and then, when they reach critical mass, move to legislative action. If 75% of the public uses "green cars," how long do you think it will be before the other 25% are forced to comply? FWIW, you can love the environment and at the same time believe that the so-called "green solutions" are crap and won't help it much. Want to help the environment? Unleash private enterprise and let technology take off. Fifty years from now we'll have a fusion-powered economy, not because it was forced on us, but because it was the most profitable means of making money. We won't have much strip-mining either, since we'll be getting minerals from the asteroids we've moved into Earth orbit.

446 Endorsement you never want:
Carter likes the idea of candidate Huntsman

447 Blue Hen, reliable as long as the water is there, yes.  Im not talking about factories, just modest installations comparable to a home or small business.

You can get close with passive solar, in-ground geo-thermal paired with a radiant flooring, and supplemented with wood burning for heating and hot water; then PV solar for minor electrical (laptops, radio recievers, occassional lighting)-- but any real consumer of power (compressor - AC, freezer, fridge; pumps, work lighting, tools, etc.) will eventually need grid power or a genset.  Wind is a waste of time, sailboats excepted.

448

also, about the "I'll support green energy when it's efficient" argument: There is a bit of a problem, in that fossil-based energy has a huge built-in advantage over every other source of energy, the infrastructure already exists for it.  So if I invented "Magic Unicorn Fairy Dust Fuel" tomorrow, it would not be as cost-effective as using ordinary gasoline because the costs to deliver Fairy Dust Fuel also must include the costs of the infrastructure to dispense it.

You're right, it does have an advantage, but that can be said about every "power" in human history. 

How did the combustion engine over take horses when horses were cheaper, more dependable, lasted longer, and were refueled by eating grass?

There was no distribution system for oil. There wasn't really that many sources of oil.  There were no gas stations, no delivery systems, etc.

The initial investment is large, the profits are slim, but they increase over time.

Let's say you did invent that fairydust. You may be operating at a loss for the first few years trying to get it out on the market. You may fail. There were wood burning and coal burning cars  in the early years. They didn't make it.

However, after a decade of thin margins and no profits, it might take off. People might decide that fairydust is a better, cheaper, more efficient alternative.

 

449 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 04, 2011 12:26 PM (P+zzG)

Jimmy Carter Cheers Hamas-Fatah Unification: It Will Bring Peace

450 To the incredulous media it must be quite a shock that zerO got no bounce in the Rasmussen polls at all. None. In fact, I too am surprised.

451 I know he can get the job, but can he do the job?

I'm not arguing that with you.

I know he can get the job.

But can he do the job?

452 493 Ive wondered why wave action hasn't been utilized as a energy source

Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2011 12:17 PM (lSnks)

I know why!!!

453

What's the record for #of posts on an AOS thread?

<Voice of my kids> Are we there yet?

454

What's the record for #of posts on an AOS thread?

<Voice of my kids> Are we there yet?

3000+ in the epic banhammer thread

455 Where is that cockholster troll who was so happy to point out how this OBL operation guaranteed his re-election? Hummm?

456 Mitch Daniels:

Just like lukewarm skim milk, only milder and less fit to lead a nation.

457 Feds Allow Illegal Aliens to Cross Border 14 Times Before Charging Them With Felony, Sheriff Tells Congress

Sheriff Larry Dever of Cochise County, Ariz., told a House subcommittee today that in one U.S. attorney's district in Texas illegal aliens are allowed to be caught crossing the border 7 times before they are charged with a misdeamanor and 14 times before they are charged with a felony.

Dever further said the policies call for considering federal human smuggling charges only if at least 6 illegal aliens are being transported.

458 Posted by: maddogg at May 04, 2011 12:27 PM (OlN4e)

Don't worry.  They'll work around it in the same, exact fashion as usual.

459

I'm really surprised Obama got little bounce given the fact I think less ill of him for not screwing this up at the last minute.  It's never a given with any president. 

OTOH, I can't drive my kid to school on dead Bin Laden.   

460 Producer gas.
This is what was used before the natural gas infrastructure was in place.

In fact some cars during WWII used this to run on.

461 Our biggest problem with energy of today IS the government. if we had today's government in the late 1800s we would still be trying to use whale oil today and it would be rationed.

462 Holy f*ck

A frost advisory for Central Ohio tonight?!

463 >>To the incredulous media it must be quite a shock that zerO got no bounce in the Rasmussen polls at all. None. In fact, I too am surprised. The Rasmussen poll is a rolling 3 day average so at least a third of the polling be presented today was done before the bin Laden raid. Tomorrow will be the first day of polling results all done after the raid. I expect him to get a bump but I expect it to be very temporary. The market is in the process of shitting the bed and the dollar is at a 3 year low. Doom approacheth.

464 Our latest poll shows that Obama got a 37-point bounce in the polls, from 96% to 133%. Our poll also shows that 89% of men and 99% of women think Harry Reid is a war hero and Allen West dodged the draft. 93% want Paul Ryan drawn and quartered, and 7% want him staked out on an anthill. 79% of men and 97% of women think that Hillary Clinton is better looking than Sarah Palin. 68% said that Newsweek polls are politically unbiased.

465 Politico today -

Paul Ryan: 2012 Politics Will Stop Big Budget Deal


I hope this means that Republicans aren't going to just accept that Democrats want to stall and have an advantage in stalling for another year.

466

A frost advisory for Central Ohio tonight?!

Globalfukkinwarmin'!

467 530:

Famine wants in the game too. Spring frosts are his thing.

War is hogging all the End Time action.

Pestilence is waiting in the wings.

468 To the incredulous media it must be quite a shock that zerO got no bounce in the Rasmussen polls at all. None. In fact, I too am surprised.

I think people might be annoyed pictures haven't been released yet.  Not because people doubt he was killed, but because people want to see him dead.

469 Blue Hen, reliable as long as the water is there, yes.  Im not talking about factories, just modest installations comparable to a home or small business.

You can get close with passive solar, in-ground geo-thermal paired with a radiant flooring, and supplemented with wood burning for heating and hot water; then PV solar for minor electrical (laptops, radio recievers, occassional lighting)-- but any real consumer of power (compressor - AC, freezer, fridge; pumps, work lighting, tools, etc.) will eventually need grid power or a genset.  Wind is a waste of time, sailboats excepted.

Posted by: Jean

1. Water might still be there, but if it doesn't reach the wheel, then you're still screwed. That's why 150 years ago, it was backed up by steam.

2. Look at that list. Is all/most of this list feasible for an apartment complex? Dense development of townhouses? If not, then this will never be a widespread application. it's like advocating stucco. Does it have beneficial effects? Sure. In Arizona.

470 RE Obambi's polls. He interrupted Desperate Housewives.  There goes the women's vote. 

471 Solar energy. seriously. there is more energy coming from the sun than we could possibly get from all the fossil fuels. Not government-run solar power subsidies like the left wants, but just opening up the flood gates of innovation, doing it the free market way. Posted by: chemjeff at May 04, 2011 11:45 AM (7mSYS) 1. Put huge-ass solar panel in orbit. 2. Collect solar energy and convert it to a huge-ass maser beam. 3. Build a huge-ass beam receiver in the middle of the most God-forsaken desert in the country. Someplace where nobody will notice a bunch of fried birds. 4. Convert the huge-ass maser beam to electricity. 5. ??????? 6. Profit! (Yes, how DOES the electricity get out into the grid? Hey, it's in the brainstorming phase.)

472

Jimmy Carter Cheers Hamas-Fatah Unification: It Will Bring Peace

Without reading the article or even clicking the link, I"m labeling it "Epic Fail"

In 1974 I was on a college campus when "candidate Carter" arrived to deliver a speech declaring he wanted to put "LUV back in tha guvamint". The speech delivered that day was a failure. Since then, I have yet to see or hear anything that he's been right on other than winning the Presidential election following the Nixon scandel. Even O'numbnuts has proven that's not much of an accomplishment that requires absolutely no qualifications or ability to achieve.

473 Ras: 50% Oppose Obama Budget, 54% Say It Doesn't Cut enough

That's versus 34% in opposition to the R plan (with 40% undecided).

"Seventy-one percent (71%) of Political Class voters favor ObamaÂ’s budget proposal, while 61% of Mainstream voters are opposed to it." 

474

Posted by: JackStraw at May 04, 2011 12:32 PM (TMB3S)

Yeah, but that means 2/3 rds of the current poll was after the raid, and zerO went DOWN a point since yesterday.

475 The envirofascists will soon be raising hell due to the coastal destruction resulting from no waves reaching the shore.

476 @544 The envirofascists will soon be raising hell due to the coastal destruction resulting from no waves reaching the shore.

And it will ruin the view from the cliff side mansions. 

477 I truly feel like I'm living in the world of old-time t.v./movies.  The audience knows the culprit, yet has to endure another hour and half of agony, while the experts are in the scratching their heads mode.  Is this some Monty Python theatrical atmosphere?  I have woken up every morning since the presidential election, thinking, this must be the day.  It has been a "hell no".

478 >>Yeah, but that means 2/3 rds of the current poll was after the raid, and zerO went DOWN a point since yesterday. Agreed. I'm curious as to how much that last 1/3 will affect things. Again, I expect a bump, it would be really odd if he didn't get at least a small one as presidents always do on things like this but I don't expect it to be all that big. Most of those people celebrating on Sunday night were college kids. Their parents who are actually paying the bills probably are more focused on other things.

479 418

Solar energy.  seriously.  there is more energy coming from the sun than we could possibly get from all the fossil fuels.  Not government-run solar power subsidies like the left wants, but just opening up the flood gates of innovation, doing it the free market way.

on this note, we need to find a way to collect the solar energy in space and then get it down to earth. 

Posted by: Ben at May 04, 2011 11:49 AM (wuv1c)

Lets invade the moon and steal all of their solar.

480 Future energy bets:

1.)  More natural gas
2.)  Next gen nucs (Thorium, smaller scale plants)
3.)  Unicorn skittles and/or magic fairy dust
4.)  Bio-engineered methane/ethanol from algea
5.)  Future PV (+15yrs) for distributed use.

Losers:

1.)  Wind
2.)  Corn, sugar, or sawgrass Ethanol

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Where is the economic break point for distributing power versus natural gas?  I can imagine a very efficient natural gas genset with a water jacket for hot water, radiant floor heating being competitive with the distribution of electricity.  Esp. given the huge transmission losses of electrical networks.

The cost of maintaining the redundant networks has to be significant.  Think about it, your house, and a lot of other houses have the following networks pulled to it and maintained: clean water, dirty water, natural gas, electrical, phone, cable, roadway, and some a fiber optic.  There is some consolidation of phone and cable going on, but even if you don't use it - the drop is still there.

481 damn.
you know those angry birds?
they sure are angry

482 The best thing we could do for energy in this country?

1. Eliminate the depart of energy and all associated regulations.
2. Eliminate the EPA and all its associated regulations
3. Eliminate ALL subsidies and regulations regarding energy in all its forms.

483 And, before I die, I'd LOVE to someone, somehow, to give me the benefits of of communism.  I am not kidding.  I suggested a movie, several days ago,  it is called "The Way Back".  or something.  Great.  Can't remember title, but it is in the "red-box". the last I looked.  

My rendition of "communism"  The butter on top, always gets the free-loads,
without any effort.  The middle, well, they can be bought (have to feed family, pay rent, etc. etc. etc.).  We get to the bottom rung.  This, although, back-breaking, serves.  A motto.  Why preach?

484 What do you expect from a beta cuckold?

485 iknowtheleft

The trick isn't controlling all of the oil supply; it is controlling enough to dictate a price that is low enough to deny the Arabs the insane windfall profit they can use to fund terrorism and expansive Islamic fundamentalism.  So you need control over one significant source or another means of dictating price. 

Rather then get all sweaty messing around in the desert; my idea is a  reverse blockade.  Hold the straits and the red sea, fix the global spot market price.  Anyone refusing to sell at that price, doesn't get to market.  Chinese and 3rd World would be all over it, Russians would be pissed -- so its all good.

Of course we could just develop enough domestic resources ...

486 465 i absolutely love the green solution to dish detergents!!!!!! i get to use double the water rewashing my dishes and it wastes my time!!!!!! but i feel good about not poisoning the environment!!!! EARTH FIRST.....people are so over rated!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 04, 2011 12:02 PM (eOXTH)

You are doing it wrong!  You are supposed to let your dog lick your dishes clean.  Living in Pheonix, you should be conserving water!

Go ahead and slap me :-)

487

Go ahead and slap me :-)

I would but you'd like it you masochist you!!

488 Sticking your foot in your mouth is easy when you wear swize three shoes.

489 I live in Indiana and I have been impressed with Mitch Daniels. He has honest to God record of achievement and accomplishment. He does not just run his mouth for votes or TV shows or book tours or an opportunity to get on the news or whatever. He is deliberative. He is thorough. He has balanced the budget in Indiana, he has been a consistent fiscal conservative. He has also been a social conservative and the fact that he talked about a truce, was his effort to draw real attention to our perilous fiscal insolvency. I would think that would be easy to understand.

And who says Daniels has not second guessed the President? He has done that several times on several issues, his response in this quote provided here had to do with a specific question about policy in Afghanistan for heavens sakes. I realize that to some people a candidate is supposed to take a reflexive position that is contrary in his nature, but that is not how Daniels operates. He answers direct questions with direct answers and he does not speculate for the sake of looking big and bad.

But he does take chances, he gets things done and he is honest. That is not a bad thing.

490 Ugh!

I really, really like Mitch Daniels, but foreign policy is among the most important issues. 

Let's me honest: this guy would play with very soft gloves when it was time to debate Obama.  He's be like Mccain, and we just can't compete against Obama's machine with polite deference.

I still hope Mitch Daniels runs.  Like John Bolton, it will help push the other candidates to answer Mitch's points about debt.  Debt is a critical issue, and Mitch is 100% right about it.

So, hopefully, we get someone who can combine Mitch's debt resolve with foreign policy resolve and a willingness to take on Obama's machine.  And while I realize that's Palin, I also want someone who is competitive in swing states.

491

 And to be honest I don't know why more conservatives don't like the idea of having more green energy solutions.

Because I understand thermodynamics.

There are no green energy solutions.

Personally what I don't know is why more conservatives don't like the idea of having trees planted in blighted urban areas that grow skittles, as a cost-effective alternative to food stamps.

Oh wait, cuz there are no trees that grow skittles! Woops.

492

I can't do links (well I can, but it's a PITA) so google it yourself.

In 2002, the United States generated 3,836 billion kilowatthours (Kwh) of electricity, including 3,673 billion Kwh from the electric power sector plus an additional 162 billion Kwh coming mainly from combined heat and power (CHP) facilities in the commercial and industrial sectors. For the electric power sector, coal-fired plants accounted for 52% of generation, nuclear 21%, natural gas 16%, hydroelectricity 7%, oil 2%, geothermal and "other" 1%.

Acreage of farmland needed to produce 3,836 billion kWh worth of ethanol - more than there is aerable farmland in our country. Gonna need to invade someplace. By which I mean, realistically, the whole world. Gonna be fierce labor shortages too so we'll have to enslave them all to make it work. Bonus: Fuck it. Once we enslave the whole world we'll have plenty of oil for ourselves, and much lower emissions globally.

There is meaningful debate over whether or not ethanol can be used to generate enough energy to make the ethanol. If not, we can lower our energy usage simply by not making any more ethanol.

The total amount of SOLAR ENERGY (not power from panels, but the TOTAL amount of ALL energy present in sunlight), is 15W/ft² (average) which sets a theoretical hard limit on solar panel tech. For 3,835 billion kW of power, we need 3835000000000/.015 = 255,666,666,666,666.7 square feet worth of panels. That's 255 trillion. A budget cost for installed solar panels runs about $100/ft².

That's 255 hundred trillion dollars.

255,666,666,666,666.7 ft² / 27,878,400 _ft²/_m²  = 9170779.767370676 square miles of solar paneling.

That is, 9.1 million square miles of solar panels needed to power the electric demands of the US.

For the record, the US is 3.7 million square miles and 6.76% of that is water.

Let me formally mention, in case you neglected to note, that I am using the theoretical maximum of solar power panels located on the earth's surface, harvesting 100% of the solar energy available. NOT actual, real technology. Granted, I'm also using averaged wattage, which can in fact be as low as 0 and as high a single kilowatt at high noon in Hawaii.

Hydrogen fuel cells are batteries. H² occurs nowhere in nature. The first law of physics is that energy is neither created nor destroyed. The amount of energy you get from the exothermic reaction of H² cannot exceed the amount of energy you had to put into the endothermic reaction to seperate it from natural sources and create H² in the first place.

493

Other then 3-4 TV interviews on Fox News a few months ago, I have never seen him interviewed on TV. And they focused on the two topics of that time, economy and unions that were supposed strengths. He is completely unbattle tested.

Let me add, I found his performance droll, slow, and unimpressive. He came off more weird then uncharismatic.

494 15 I really wanted to like this guy.  T-Paw Sarah Palin is looking better and better.

495

Energy independence. Jobs (which energy independence helps with). Federal budget deficit and long-term debt.  If we had a well-spoken candidate who could hit Obama hard on those subjects, we could win.  (Palin could.. but she turns off 2 voters for every one voter she gets fired up.. so.. boned)

You came to this conclusion from...where exactly?

496 50 I'm surprised at how trollish and grossly uninformed these comments are about who and what Daniels is. Daniels will be our 2012 nominee...    Posted by: TooCon     Who are you, his mother?

497 Jumping through hoops to protect the tender sensibilities of a culture that literally bathes in the blood of its innocent victims is a disgusting surrender to these murderers. Release the photos as a matter of course. It could have been done on Monday morning without any problems. The terrorists are going to hate us and try to kill us no matter what. There is no rationale for withholding the photos that makes any sense. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 04, 2011 09:19 AM Let's not forget that liberals -- Democrat-voters, Democrats in office and the MF-ing media -- protested to print photos of dead US soldiers and of the flag-draped coffins. But now they are working to make sure not to publish photos of the enemy dead? PATHETIC. Also, the rationale the left gave for publishing those photos was "to show the nation the consequences of war". Well then, using that rationale, it would be a great idea to publish the photos of Osama bin DEAD in order to show the world the consequences of going to war with the United States of America. "Fuck with us and you will end up like this."

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