November 23, 2011
— DrewM Mitt's inability to keep a story straight is pathological at this point.
CNN moderator Wolf Blitzer opened the debate by asking candidates to introduce themselves. "Here's an example of what I'm looking for: ‘I'm Wolf Blitzer and yes, that's my real name.'"Romney couldn't help himself in going for a quick laugh. "I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," he said to dead silence from the audience.
That wasn't the worst of it: Romney's real first name is Willard — Mitt is his middle name.
We're really going to nominate this guy?
I thought the whole birther thing is nonsense from start to finish but I'm going to need to see Willard's/Mitt's original long form birth certificate now.
Jen Rubin emails to say, "Willard. Mitt. I don't care. He just so gosh darn dreamy and moderate!"
Story link via Greg Pollowitz.
Added: Ok, so plenty of people think having a little fun with serial flip-flopper Willard Mitt is off limits. How about comparing this quote to him on the subject last night? Is that ok?
Via Jamie Dupree
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Posted by: chazmartel at November 23, 2011 07:03 AM (wlSqE)
Posted by: Bob at November 23, 2011 07:04 AM (CYVcM)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 23, 2011 07:04 AM (010Nv)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 23, 2011 07:04 AM (ZDEMd)
Posted by: alexthedude at November 23, 2011 07:04 AM (0+B+X)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 23, 2011 07:05 AM (p7SSh)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 23, 2011 07:05 AM (kqqGm)
Posted by: alexthedude at November 23, 2011 07:05 AM (0+B+X)
This is idiotic.
This is fucking idiotic and both Drew and the original author should be embarrassed for mentioning it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 23, 2011 07:05 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2011 07:06 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at November 23, 2011 07:06 AM (kqqGm)
You really don't ever seem happy here.
The internet is a big place. I invite you to explore other corners of it.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 07:07 AM (dw7rB)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 23, 2011 07:08 AM (010Nv)
Posted by: Lady in Black: still voting for Perry (He has the best hair.) at November 23, 2011 07:09 AM (ycuSb)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 07:09 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 23, 2011 07:09 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: joncelli, confirmed leg and ass man at November 23, 2011 07:10 AM (RD7QR)
He was trying to make a little joke about, yeah, Mitt is kinda a weird first name. He was following Wolf Blitzer's similar (and better delivered) joke.
This is a nothing burger.
If your official name is Rumpwell Jet Smithson, but from the age of 8 you've gone by Jet or even RJ -- are you some untrustworthy liar for saying Jet or RJ is your first name?
Jesus.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 23, 2011 07:11 AM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Embittered Redleg at November 23, 2011 07:11 AM (QBYUv)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 23, 2011 07:11 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 23, 2011 07:11 AM (9zzk+)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 23, 2011 07:11 AM (010Nv)
And they can both be mocked for it. Politics is a contact sport.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 23, 2011 07:11 AM (kqqGm)
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2011 07:12 AM (YXmuI)
Did anyone of them claim their name was Wolf Blitzer? I probably would've.
Either that, or "I, state your name..."
Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 23, 2011 07:12 AM (zgHLA)
If he goes thru life using "Mitt" as his first name, then by golly, it's his first name. Jeesh.
Exactly. Romney probably won't even answer to "Willard" it's been so long since he's used it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 23, 2011 07:13 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 23, 2011 07:13 AM (010Nv)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 07:14 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: cvb at November 23, 2011 07:14 AM (HRFxR)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 23, 2011 07:15 AM (JYheX)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 23, 2011 07:16 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: joncelli, reluctant Perry supporter at November 23, 2011 07:16 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: scottythrust at November 23, 2011 07:17 AM (VTeUD)
Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2011 07:17 AM (NH9Y5)
Do I think it's funny that the guy who can't keep a story straight for 5 minutes about anything can't keep the story about his name straight? Yeah.
If anyone else did this, it wouldn't even be a thing. With Mitt, it just shows how he tries so hard to be everything to everyone about any and everything.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 07:18 AM (dw7rB)
Why does he always look like he's relieving himself at the debates when somebody else is talking? I mean, just look at that smile. Aaahhhhh.
I don't hate Mitt. I don't like Mitt. I'm completely indifferent to Mitt, and would vote for him over zerO. I'd also eat cold chow mein if there was nothing else and I was very hungry.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 23, 2011 07:18 AM (Qxdfp)
He has the best hair.......He is the clear Winner! And he is the most moderate.....that aslo makes Willard the clear winner!
Romney 2012 or die!
Posted by: Spicoli at November 23, 2011 07:18 AM (JMsOK)
Romneybots - as likable and pleasant as their candidate...
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at November 23, 2011 07:19 AM (/TSnh)
Posted by: alexthechick at November 23, 2011 07:19 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 23, 2011 07:19 AM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: Bob Saget at November 23, 2011 07:19 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: John Galt at November 23, 2011 07:19 AM (9NQ6I)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 07:20 AM (Xm1aB)
via Gateway Pundit
IT WAS ALL A STUNTÂ… #Occupy Loons Play Kissie-Kissie With Obama After Heeckling Him
Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2011 07:20 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 07:22 AM (8y9MW)
Drew teaming up with the Left-ish New York Daily News for a real hammer blow to Romney's campaign.
Devastating, perhaps even a Falcon Punch.
The internet is a big place. I invite you to explore other corners of it.
I like the way cobloggers like Drew and rdbrewer invite others to leave Ace's blog. Commenters who've been around longer than they have are politely invited to depart the host's blog for finding fault with their dishonest or petty posts.
Nice.
Posted by: spongeworthy at November 23, 2011 07:23 AM (puy4B)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 23, 2011 07:23 AM (kqqGm)
His sense of humor might be as dry and tasteless as a Shredded Wheat biscuit, but what do you expect from a guy who has only had one smoke and drink in his lifetime?
Posted by: Fritz at November 23, 2011 07:23 AM (/ZZCn)
If I have to go through this, then so does Mitt, and if he won't, well then, priorities. NO VOTE FOR YOU, WILLARD!
Posted by: pep the purist at November 23, 2011 07:24 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: joncelli, reluctant Perry supporter at November 23, 2011 07:24 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 23, 2011 07:24 AM (010Nv)
That makes no sense. What is he trying to be to whom by using "Mitt" as his name? And it would only be a "flip-flop" if he had been using "Willard" all his life, and now suddenly switched to "Mitt".
Please post fifteen high-res Bucs cheerleader pics as penance.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 23, 2011 07:24 AM (N+nDK)
@52
I agree!
All candidates should be completely ignored right now except for Newt and Romney!
Any of them running to the media to create controversy so they can stay in the debates should be shouted down!
Let these two battle it out for the Nod, and then force them to pick a running mate that meets "The Approval," with the threat of lack of reinforcements during the general....and let's go take Obama down to ChinaTown!
Posted by: Spicoli at November 23, 2011 07:25 AM (JMsOK)
Take a deep breath, partisans.
Posted by: Glaucon at November 23, 2011 07:26 AM (mP9Rx)
First, I've seen Ace make the same offer to soothsayer before. But thanks for trying.
Second, I've been around here a lot longer than that asshole.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 07:26 AM (dw7rB)
Hey, candidate I don't like hates his own old-fashioned first name so much that's he's gone by his middle name his whole life! And he's so stupid that after a lifetime of usage, he now thinks it really is his first name! Ha-ha!
Also, Rick Perry has a thick West Texas accent! Ha, loser!
Newt Gingrich has a weird name. First name sounds like ... a newt or something. Last name sounds like the Grinch. Can't trust man like that, amirite?
And Santorum? How 'bout Sanitarium? Amirite?
And I'd like to Bachmann Overdrive the crazy Fargo lady if you know what I mean. Like in sexy way, right? With the sexy and the whisky.
Herman Cain. What kinda name is Herman? Is he a Munster or a Pee-Wee. Herman Can't more likely, amirite?
Ron Paul is clearly the only normal one on stage. Yes, he has two first names. But they are both normal names.
I think that's what America is looking for right now. A man with a normal name.
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Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 23, 2011 07:26 AM (QcFbt)
Added: Ok, so plenty of people think having a little fun with serial flip-flopper Willard Mitt is off limits. How about comparing this quote to him on the subject last night? Is that ok?
Gee isn't that almost exactly what Newt was saying last night? Except Newt didn't want them to be able to get citizenship like Mittens did.
Posted by: buzzion at November 23, 2011 07:27 AM (GULKT)
That, or he tried to tell a joke and it fell really, really flat.
Given that I wasn't planning to vote for Romney anyway, I don't see it as a big deal, and I can't see where any Romney supporters would either- they already know he's a pathological liar, and they don't seem to care, so even if it wasn't just a failed joke, it's still just par for the course.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 07:27 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Vic at November 23, 2011 07:28 AM (YdQQY)
I like the way cobloggers like Drew and rdbrewer invite others to leave Ace's blog. Commenters who've been around longer than they have...
I know, right. Poor Ace.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 23, 2011 07:28 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: maddogg at November 23, 2011 07:28 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 11:22 AM
Mic check!
Obama is ...
a Stuttering Clustfuck ...
of a ...
Miserable Failure !
Posted by: Moron Mic Check at November 23, 2011 07:28 AM (Y+DPZ)
Should have read the comments. The rat thing has already been beaten to death.
Did I mention that Mitt sucks?
Posted by: maddogg at November 23, 2011 07:29 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at November 23, 2011 07:29 AM (/TSnh)
1. Mitt- good looking kids, but they will want to be popular
2. Cain- average offspring, average intelligence
3. Gingrich- eh looking kids, but they'll be smart and smart asses
4. Paul- intelligent enough kids, but they will be waiting for aliens to arrive and take them to Planet X
5. Perry- kids will be average, but will want to party a lot
6. All the Others- will produce children that will want to run for student council, but will lose.
Posted by: shibumi at November 23, 2011 07:30 AM (z63Tr)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 07:30 AM (Xm1aB)
We get it, Drew, you don't like Mitt.
Next time I'm sure you'll criticize him for his poor choice of ties.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2011 07:30 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 23, 2011 07:30 AM (010Nv)
If I'm successful, the first thing he'll do is pound the shit out of his own son
Posted by: Professor Frink at November 23, 2011 07:30 AM (Y+DPZ)
Again, Romney's problem is that self-deprecating humor works if you've used it for some time (See Bush, George Walker), not when you've spent most of your adult life screwed down tighter than a drum.
But it's OK; when a candidate you don't like says/does something dumb-shit, you can mock him/her here also. I'm sure we'll all get a good laugh.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 23, 2011 07:30 AM (kqqGm)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 07:31 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Corky the Retard at November 23, 2011 07:31 AM (YYHT+)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is Offering $ To ace If He Bans oZfic at November 23, 2011 07:32 AM (yAor6)
One of the keys to comedy is being responsible for making sure your audience "gets it." I'm not slamming Drew here, but, in this post at least, he failed at that.
When I read it, it seemed serious- not like a tongue-in-cheek joke. If it is a joke, well, then, it's a joke. Just poorly executed.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 07:32 AM (8y9MW)
@70
I can accept you not going for Romney...it is completely understandable. But if your not a Newt supporter now......then I'm really confused.
If you are one of these guy hanging on the Perry, becuase to be quite frank, Perry may get he Nod, but he will never beat Obama. That makes your Romney bashing really, really confusing.
Posted by: Spicoli at November 23, 2011 07:32 AM (JMsOK)
Posted by: Bob Saget at November 23, 2011 07:32 AM (SDkq3)
i.e. "...I'm going to need to see Willard's/Mitt's original long form birth certificate now." ---DrewM.
Posted by: jd at November 23, 2011 07:33 AM (wa3LG)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 23, 2011 07:33 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 23, 2011 07:33 AM (010Nv)
_________
Man, I sooooo did not need that image. I'll probably be giggling through the next few debates.
Posted by: Anachronda at November 23, 2011 07:33 AM (FzhYM)
Reading this post was a waste of life, never to be regained..........
DrewM, You owe me f*cker.......
Posted by: Yes it's True, damnit at November 23, 2011 07:34 AM (XGLac)
In fact, I think one of them is... tilting to the left!
MY GOD, MITT'S A SOCIALIST
Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2011 07:34 AM (s7mIC)
Like, really really sensitive. Almost like they can't take a fucking joke.
Which is the funny part? The part where those of us who think this is petty are invited to leave? Drew turns out to have his reasons, but funny it ain't.
Demented brewer posts outright lies in the sidebar, gets called on it but won't retract. That's funny?
The cobloggers have the keys to Ace's shop and what they post is between them. NOMB. But the candidate you're nitpicking and outright lying about has a decent chance of being the nominee. Criticize to your heart's content, but some readers will actually believe the lies left here and they could even stay home. Is it worth that just to pass along a lie?
Doesn't seem like it to me, which is why I'm not laughing.
Posted by: spongeworthy at November 23, 2011 07:34 AM (puy4B)
Pay no attention to the naysayers Drew. Talk all the shit about Mitt you want. Most of us hate his sorry RINO ass too.
Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux
And I repeat:
Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux
And I repeat:
Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux
And I repeat:
Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux Mitt sux
Posted by: maddogg at November 23, 2011 07:34 AM (OlN4e)
If I'm successful, the first thing he'll do is pound the shit out of his own son
Posted by: Professor Frink at November 23, 2011 11:30 AM (Y+DPZ)
Nope, won't work, Nancy called him Ronny, he was another goddamn first name flip flopper.
Posted by: robtr at November 23, 2011 07:35 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Mittens! at November 23, 2011 07:35 AM (s7mIC)
It's not that confusing.
I think Mitt Romney is, in fact, a Republican in Name Only. I believe he chose the Republican party partly because his father had been one, but mostly because he knew he wouldn't get the nomination in MA as a Democrat. I believe he's a North-East Liberal, who was liberal enough to be elected Governor in Massachusetts. I will oppose Mitt Romney no matter who the current front-runner is. Including a puddle of dog diarrhea.
That said, I am also a Rick Perry supporter. But the second has nothing to do with the first.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 07:36 AM (8y9MW)
Doesn't mean flip-flop mean you change positions, and then back again?
Seems he's got more conservative positions than he did several years back, but in a literal sense he really hasn't "flip-flopped".
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 23, 2011 07:36 AM (b68Df)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 23, 2011 07:36 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 23, 2011 07:37 AM (IfkGz)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 07:37 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 23, 2011 07:37 AM (k6qqF)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at November 23, 2011 07:37 AM (epBek)
Because it's better than "Willard?" Just at a guess.
We used to call them Rockefeller Republicans, AllenG.
I believe he's farther left than that. Remember, he likes mandates. He thinks they work.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 07:38 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is Offering $ To ace If He Bans oZfic at November 23, 2011 07:39 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: buzzion at November 23, 2011 07:39 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: PR at November 23, 2011 07:39 AM (8Iieo)
How about we let some votes get cast in the primary before declaring Romney the winner in the general?
Posted by: Y-not at November 23, 2011 07:40 AM (5H6zj)
@104
O.K., but I know of no one who believes Rick Perry can beat Obama, so you're basically saying that a purity test of the Republican Party is more important than kicking Obama out?
I have a different perspective, I would vote for Romney regardless in the general. Even though he maybe a RINO, he will be far better than Obama.
Posted by: Spicoli at November 23, 2011 07:40 AM (JMsOK)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 07:40 AM (Xm1aB)
Once we have achieved total domination, the first against the wall will be this DrewM fellow
Posted by: Mittens! at November 23, 2011 07:40 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Louis C.K. at November 23, 2011 07:41 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at November 23, 2011 07:41 AM (/TSnh)
Why would one call themselves Mitt on purpose?
I worked at a place where the guy we dealt with on a deal was W. Uriah something or other. We spent a lot of time trying to figure out what the hell the W stood for to make him voluntarily go by Uriah.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 23, 2011 07:41 AM (VtjlW)
So I guess that the people who loathe Romney think that if he were elected he would break most of his campaign promises and govern hard left, right?
You really believe that's what he would do?
Maybe....just maybe....he was a right of center guy living in Massachussetts who tempered his position to make himself politically viable, and that what he truly desires is to pursue a conservative agenda. Just a thought.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 23, 2011 07:41 AM (b68Df)
Are you offended by the post and going ballistic on Drew for making it?
Posted by: Y-not at November 23, 2011 07:41 AM (5H6zj)
_________
It's part of a clever strategy to steal Huntsman's O.o base.
Posted by: Anachronda at November 23, 2011 07:41 AM (NmR1a)
O.K., but I know of no one who believes Rick Perry can beat Obama
*cough*
Of course, I also think Barry would lose to a certain foul-mouthed time-traveling sandwich.
Perry/Coldcuts'12
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 23, 2011 07:42 AM (IfkGz)
No. Your first name is your first name. Your "given" name may be your middle name, but it isn't your "first" name.
Both of my brothers go by their middle names, neither has ever confused doing so with their "middle name" suddenly being their "first name." "First" and "Middle" are ordinal terms: they indicate order. No matter how often people call you by the one instead of the other, your middle name will never be your first name- short of a legal name change.
On the other hand, it's pretty clear to me that Mitt was making a joke, and it fell completely flat.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 07:42 AM (8y9MW)
(Seriously, the rest of us have to take the trashing, but Romney has to remain pristine? Do you even think about that? Geez...)
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@112
Allen,
"Remember, he likes mandates. He thinks they work."
O.K. Now I have to really quesiton your thinking. I want to see proof of this statement. You don't seem to have a very good understanding of what happend in Massachusetts.
Posted by: Spicoli at November 23, 2011 07:43 AM (JMsOK)
Posted by: maddogg at November 23, 2011 07:43 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: PR at November 23, 2011 07:44 AM (8Iieo)
Because it's better than "Willard?" Just at a guess.
________
Yeah, but "Willard" gives you a plausible route to "Bill", which is perfectly respectable.
Posted by: Anachronda at November 23, 2011 07:44 AM (NmR1a)
Posted by: Johnny Coldcuts at November 23, 2011 07:45 AM (IfkGz)
Posted by: Zombie John Calvin Coolidge, Jr. at November 23, 2011 07:45 AM (s7mIC)
How did I contradict my comment? I wrote:
Do I think it's funny that the guy who can't keep a story straight for 5 minutes about anything can't keep the story about his name straight? Yeah.
See it's not funny that Richard Perry goes by Rick because...
1-Rick is derivative of Richard not a separate name.
2-Perry doesn't have a reputation of having trouble with telling the truth like W. Mitt Romney does. So when W. Mitt Romney makes a joke and it looks like he can't keep his own name straight it's funny.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 07:45 AM (dw7rB)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 07:45 AM (Xm1aB)
Preacher: Do you take this woman to be your lawful wedded wife?
Mitt: Yes. NO. Uh, maybe. Let's talk about this. How about tomorrow. Is that a good day for you dear?
Posted by: Fight the nattering nabobs of negativism at November 23, 2011 07:45 AM (xqpQL)
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2011 07:47 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: garrett at November 23, 2011 07:47 AM (f7VXx)
Rick Santorum name recognition is so bad that he doesn't use his real name Richard.
Ron Paul hates the Fed so much that he forgets that his real name is Ronald.
Newt Gingrich must have been looking into having another affair because he didn't tell the women in the audience that his real name is Newton Leroy Gingrich.
Mitt is such a flip flopper that he says his first name is Mitt when his real first name is Willard.
So, based on this post, we can only support Herman Cain, Michelle Bachman or Jon Huntsman.
FML, are Bloomberg or Trump still viable for 3rd party?
Posted by: MrCaniac at November 23, 2011 07:47 AM (AM+sr)
Posted by: Sub-Tard Backhoe at November 23, 2011 07:48 AM (0M3AQ)
The first thing I have to do in the morning when I get up is run to the bathroom and take a Mitt.
That is because I am taking stool softeners and laxatives to offset other drugs that stifle the economy internally.
But so far I am lucky. I havenÂ’t been nauseated and had to Newt.
Luckily I am protected by not having to worry about James because his name is common for the game.
Posted by: Vic at November 23, 2011 07:48 AM (YdQQY)
Too freaking funny, that.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 23, 2011 07:48 AM (pLTLS)
This is what was killing me last night. Mitt labeled Gingrich's plan as "amnesty," but refused to state a plan of his own for dealing with the millions of illegals already here.
The great mushy, filp-flopper attacked Gingrich for taking a stand while he weaseled out of the question. He basically attacked Gingrich for having the backbone (however misguided his answer may have been) that he lacked. And his supporters lapped it up! And attacked Newt for having the same policy as their guy.
Posted by: 29Victor at November 23, 2011 07:48 AM (ES9R7)
Mitt: Yes. NO. Uh, maybe. Let's talk about this. How about tomorrow. Is that a good day for you dear?
Herman had to seek expert advice from his best man, while Newt refused to answer on advice of counsel.
Posted by: Johnny Coldcuts at November 23, 2011 07:48 AM (IfkGz)
Romney bashing is so ubiquitous I barely react to it. The Perry supporters on the other hand are often every bit as hyper-sensitive to any criticism of their beloved bumbling candidate as the Palinbots are of Sarah.
Anyway, my beef with the post would be that the joke really isn't that funny.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 23, 2011 07:49 AM (b68Df)
The author disavowed the post as a joke in the comments.
If pointing out that the "criticism" is silly equates to "going ballistic" in your world, then so be it.
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 11:45 AM (Xm1aB)
Really? Drew's comment about the post included: Do I think it's funny that the guy who can't keep a story straight for 5 minutes about anything can't keep the story about his name straight? Yeah.
Sure sounds to me like he was going for humor. Oh well he can just claim to have learned his comedic chops from Willard.
Posted by: buzzion at November 23, 2011 07:49 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 23, 2011 07:49 AM (tf9Ne)
And I know a whole bunch (not just in Texas) who do. So where does that leave us. And, kicking the SCOAMF out may be the most important thing (and, if it looked like there was any chance the Republican would not win Texas in the general, I would probably (well, maybe) hold my nose and vote for Romney if he won the nomination), but getting someone who will actually attempt to reverse course is so close to being as important, that some days its hard for me to tell which is actually in front.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2011 11:41 AM (YXmuI)
You know he was the governor of Massachusetts, yes? And he was Republican there? I believe he was just ever-so-slightly to the right of the general Democrat base (not enough for someone outside of MA to tell the difference), that he figured he'd have an easier time running as a Republican than as a Democrat. His record as Governor certainly doesn't show that he was conservative. At all.
I've actually said this before, but it's been a while since we've gone over it.
who tempered his position to make himself politically viable, and that what he truly desires is to pursue a conservative agenda. Just a thought.
And maybe, just maybe, you should trust what people do more than what they say, and realize that he'll govern as as close to center as he possibly can, if elected President, and the only think that will keep him from going left-of-center is the fact that he would want re-election. "I like mandates. Mandates work."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 07:49 AM (8y9MW)
(Seriously, the rest of us have to take the trashing, but Romney has to remain pristine? Do you even think about that? Geez...)
Now see? This is funny! Yeah, Romney gets the kid-glove treatment around here every day!
I'm dying here!
Great stuff.
Posted by: spongeworthy at November 23, 2011 07:50 AM (puy4B)
Posted by: polynikes- Texan for Romney at November 23, 2011 07:50 AM (LNRLz)
This could be a fun post in its own right --
MoveOn has given its readers some helping talking points to debunk what they perceive to be myths on the economy and OWS.
link to Black & Right
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 23, 2011 07:50 AM (pLTLS)
I asked early on if the post was a joke or not?
Why?
Because, even though I don't support Romney, I thought this couldn't be a valid criticism or reason for not supporting Romney.
The author disavowed the post as a joke in the comments.
If pointing out that the "criticism" is silly equates to "going ballistic" in your world, then so be it.
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 11:45 AM (Xm1aB)
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Drew's second post (first was not relevant to your point):
44 Do I think this is a reason not to vote for Mitt? Of course not.
Do I think it's funny that the guy who can't keep a story straight for 5 minutes about anything can't keep the story about his name straight? Yeah.
If anyone else did this, it wouldn't even be a thing. With Mitt, it just shows how he tries so hard to be everything to everyone about any and everything.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 11:18 AM (dw7rB)
I just came to this thread. I read the post and got a chuckle. It was clear DrewM was not saying "don't vote for Mitt because he lied about his first name." His comment makes that clear, too.
If you don't get a chuckle out of it, fine, but it is funny that Mitt states his first name is Mitt when it is actually Willard... and the reason it's funny is that he has a reputation (which I think he has earned over the years) of saying anything to appeal to whomever he is addressing at the moment.
Posted by: Y-not at November 23, 2011 07:50 AM (5H6zj)
I've been wondering if the real Drew got replaced by a pod-alien-clone or something.
Posted by: Bob Saget at November 23, 2011 07:50 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 07:50 AM (Xm1aB)
If pointing out that the "criticism" is silly equates to "going ballistic" in your world, then so be it.
This is the same crap we heard on the Cain threads. If you defended Cain against the accusations you were labeled a Cainiac.
The original implication of this post was Mitt is a liar and here's the proof! Saying this is the bush league stuff you read on Media Matters makes you a Romneybot. So very silly.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 23, 2011 07:50 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 23, 2011 07:51 AM (pdRb1)
Too freaking funny, that.
No, it's that this is a really stupid criticism of Mitt, and makes DrewM seem petty and small-minded.
Mitt deserves all the legitimate criticism that he gets, but come on - saying that he "flip-flopped about his first name" is kinda ridiculous.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2011 07:51 AM (s7mIC)
Who exactly is getting a free pass or being unfairly singled out?
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 07:52 AM (dw7rB)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 07:52 AM (Xm1aB)
You will all be assimilated.
Posted by: The Mittens Collective at November 23, 2011 07:52 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 07:52 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 11:49 AM (8y9MW)
The problem with that is that the "middle" has been moved far to the left the past few years. So I reject the premise that the "middle" is in the middle.
Posted by: maddogg at November 23, 2011 07:53 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 23, 2011 07:53 AM (010Nv)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 23, 2011 11:49 AM (b68Df)
Thats simply not true and prove of that is that Perrykrishnas left Perry in droves when he failed to perform and even his remaining supporters admit and understand why the others left. No comparison.
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at November 23, 2011 07:53 AM (/TSnh)
I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that Barry is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure yet?
Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at November 23, 2011 07:53 AM (IfkGz)
_________
If everyone only said valid, reasonable things, we wouldn't need a first amendment.
Posted by: Anachronda is tacking towards Godwin at November 23, 2011 07:54 AM (FzhYM)
Wow, sorry to have been so slow as not to grasp this point. He is "ever-so-slightly to the right of the general Democrat base", i.e. most of the voters of MA, so of course, the obvious, easy thing to do is run as a Republican.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2011 07:54 AM (YXmuI)
As Y-Not and others already explained this isn't petty for those of us that think he's as fickle as the wind looking to take the electorate's temperature.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 23, 2011 07:55 AM (pLTLS)
You too will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
Posted by: The Mittens Collective at November 23, 2011 07:55 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 23, 2011 07:55 AM (k6qqF)
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 23, 2011 07:55 AM (9zzk+)
I don't really want to see W. Mitt Romney's original long form birth certificate and Jen Rubin didn't really email that.
Sorry for any confusion you may have had.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 07:56 AM (dw7rB)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 23, 2011 07:56 AM (QcFbt)
It occurred to me (granted, it's a stretch) that Mitt was saying something like "oh yeah, your real first name is 'Wolf', just like mine is 'Mitt'"
That would be kinda clever but hard to pull off because most people don't really know his first name, if they did, that would have been a pretty good slap at Wolf. Blitz. Whatever his real name is.
Anyway, I'm no Willard guy but it seems like NBD to me.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 23, 2011 07:57 AM (WvXvd)
___________
I've always wondered if the real Drew was a pod-alien or something. 'Course, I think about half of you are figments of my imagination...
Posted by: Anachronda at November 23, 2011 07:58 AM (xGZ+b)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 23, 2011 07:58 AM (FKQng)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 23, 2011 11:55 AM (pLTLS)
He is fickle. And it is also petty to criticize him for responding to Wolf's joke with "Mitt is my first name" as some sort of egregious flip-flop.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2011 07:58 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at November 23, 2011 07:58 AM (AZGON)
Yes, because the guy who got the Democrat ticket would be just a little closer to the general Democrat base, and Mittens could (I'm guessing "Did") win any republican primary with the same promises of "electability" that he's using now. Only difference being that, in MA, it was true.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 07:58 AM (8y9MW)
New thread please!
Posted by: Y-not at November 23, 2011 07:58 AM (5H6zj)
Thats simply not true and prove of that is that Perrykrishnas left Perry in droves when he failed to perform and even his remaining supporters admit and understand why the others left. No comparison.
You are wrong. It is absolutely true. Demonstrably true. Go to redstate.com aka Rickstate.com, read some posts, then come back here and tell me how well Perry's hardcore supporters take criticism of their candidate.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 23, 2011 07:58 AM (b68Df)
Who exactly is getting a free pass or being unfairly singled out?
Perry gets pretty good treatment around here. I have no problem with that--it's Ace's blog, he likes the guy. Fine.
I like the guy. Know what? He was very bad last night--really awful. I know he isn't stupid but he's got to be on notice that we can't keep ignoring his knuckle-headedness.
Romney gets this petty shit, which is nothing worse than petty. And he gets outright lies from rdbrewer and they stay up even after he is called on it. That's downright Left-ish in its dishonesty.
Posted by: spongeworthy at November 23, 2011 07:58 AM (puy4B)
Vote your candidate in the primary. Vote the nominee of the GOP in the General. Otherwise you support Barak Obama.
Perry, still my candidate.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 23, 2011 07:59 AM (kaOJx)
Posted by: buzzion at November 23, 2011 07:59 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: joncelli at November 23, 2011 07:59 AM (RD7QR)
You're one of those guys that likes to tap the aquarium to watch the fish freak out aren't you?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 23, 2011 07:59 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Sub-Tard Backhoe at November 23, 2011 07:59 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 11:49 AM (8y9MW)
The problem with that is that the "middle" has been moved far to the left the past few years. So I reject the premise that the "middle" is in the middle.
Okay, can we all agree that this is some funny shit?
Posted by: alexthechick at November 23, 2011 07:59 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: NotALibertarian at November 23, 2011 08:00 AM (psns8)
Yeah. "Your" candidate is going to be Barack Obama, who is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure. So much better.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 08:00 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: NotALibertarian at November 23, 2011 08:01 AM (psns8)
_________
FIFY
Posted by: W. Mitt Romney at November 23, 2011 08:01 AM (NmR1a)
Posted by: NotALibertarian at November 23, 2011 12:00 PM (psns
Exactly! So can I get a turn? Can I get a turn, Wolf? How about a question over here, Wolf? Is it my turn yet? My turn! My turn! My turn now! WAWAWAWAWA
Posted by: Ricky S. at November 23, 2011 08:01 AM (s7mIC)
Pace setters.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 23, 2011 08:02 AM (ENKCw)
BTW - Will-I-Mitt also has a Secret Mormon Temple name you gentiles arn't allowed to know.*
*It's Winona
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 23, 2011 08:02 AM (oBrVT)
Posted by: NotALibertarian at November 23, 2011 08:02 AM (psns8)
So, you accuse him of plastic principles, then argue that he wouldn't move a little to the left to win the Dem nomination? Winning the Republican primary in MA is like winning the Falun Gong nomination in China.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2011 08:03 AM (YXmuI)
I don't understand how anyone thinks Mitt-Willard/Willard-Mitt is electable. This guy would be a Donkey in nearly every other geography - and not even a blue-dog donkey. But go ahead, put him on the ticket... not only do independents not turn out, but you'll have conservatives flocking to a 3rd party or voting for Obama.
Posted by: Brock O'Bama at November 23, 2011 08:03 AM (n1JN0)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 23, 2011 08:03 AM (QcFbt)
call me xoxoxo
Posted by: Jen Rubin at November 23, 2011 08:04 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: spongeworthy at November 23, 2011 11:58 AM (puy4B)
But he also lets me write posts critical of Perry, which I've done on more than one occasion.
Perry hasn't gotten as much attention as he used to because he's a 6%. You know who doesn't get knocked around here? Santorum and Huntsman because they are non-factors.
Yes there are some folks who want Perry to be a factor (obviously that includes Ace) but he's not and I doubt he will be.
As for this Mitt thing...come on, the guy who will say anything to anyone incorrectly (even jokingly) identifies his first name? How isn't that a thing? Not a big thing by any stretch but it's a thing.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 08:04 AM (dw7rB)
Posted by: LP at November 23, 2011 08:04 AM (sUHGs)
I see we're edging closer to magic underwear jokes. Zat isss verboten!
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 23, 2011 08:04 AM (yQwq5)
Fine, flip flop is not the right word then. Jesus. Argumentative much? Over Mitt Fucking Romney. Imagine that!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 23, 2011 08:04 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 23, 2011 08:05 AM (k6qqF)
So Romney can't tell a joke. On behalf of all my fellow Americans also descended from Prussians and Native Americans--two peoples not known for their rollicking, slapstick sense of humor (unless you think invading France is funny)--I heartily sympathize. My children cringe whenever I try to be funny. You should see my William Shatner impression.
But yeah, I guess Mitt's lack of comedic wit does speak to his stiffness of manner and overly buttoned-down style, but I don't think it's a disqualifier. He has a hard time with retail politicking, the press-the-flesh, kiss-the-baby aspects of campaigning, and that could prove a problem if he wins the GOP nomination and victory over Obama could be measured in decimal-point percentages. He's no good with strangers but from what I've read, those friends and family members close to him think of him as a warm and caring guy.
Posted by: troyriser at November 23, 2011 08:05 AM (vtiE6)
If you aren't yet, you will be soon.
Posted by: The Mittens Collective at November 23, 2011 11:58 AM (s7mIC)
If fapping is not allowed, then no we are not part of the Mormon Collective.
Posted by: MrCaniac at November 23, 2011 08:05 AM (AM+sr)
In all honesty Perry did well in certain spots in last nights debate.
However, Bachmann absolutely schooled him in their exchange on Pakistan. His idea of abruptly withdrawing all aid from Pakistan was indeed naive. A knee-jerk reaction. Simplistic foreign policy crafted for cheap applause.
He ain't gonna be nominated. If he managed to get nominated I have difficulty imagining how he would win in a general election.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 23, 2011 08:06 AM (b68Df)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 23, 2011 11:58 AM (b68Df)
Why do you have to send me to redstate? Ace and a lot of the cob-loggers are still Perrykrishnas and quite reasonable. Whereas all I get from Romneybots is the old Palinista meme that if the savior isnt successfull it must be the fault of the electorate. Its a lil bit like Brechts government desolving the people and elect a new one. I dont see that from Perrykrishnas at least not on this blog.
Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at November 23, 2011 08:06 AM (/TSnh)
Posted by: NotALibertarian at November 23, 2011 08:06 AM (psns8)
Read the post before yours.
How isn't that a thing? Not a big thing by any stretch but it's a thing.
It was either a joke or it wasn't.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2011 08:06 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: Iron Eyes Cody at November 23, 2011 08:06 AM (yQwq5)
BTW - Will-I-Mitt also has a Secret Mormon Temple name you gentiles arn't allowed to know.*
I have a secret Papist confirmation name. Olive.
There are enough real concerns about Romney without dragging in innocuous points of his religious practices. If I was worried about shit like that, I wouldn't be able to even consider someone who interprets the Bible literally.
Posted by: Y-not, dirty papist at November 23, 2011 08:06 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Ann d'Mestik at November 23, 2011 08:06 AM (reIrd)
Posted by: Sub-Tard Backhoe at November 23, 2011 11:59 AM (0M3AQ)
oh god, i missed the L key by one. Fuck I'm a retard unlike King Mittens
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 23, 2011 08:07 AM (FKQng)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 23, 2011 08:07 AM (QcFbt)
The only thing that will resolve this pressing issue is a ten thousand word long post by Ace explaining to us what is funny and what is not funny.
He's been watching SNL since he was, like, 5!
Posted by: garrett at November 23, 2011 08:07 AM (f7VXx)
Fine, flip flop is not the right word then. Jesus. Argumentative much? Over Mitt Fucking Romney. Imagine that!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 23, 2011 12:04 PM (pLTLS
Hey lacey, if I were to ask you to think up a Perry position you don't really care for/are critical of do you think you could come up with one? More than one? I bet you could.
I don't think Romney supporters could do that for their candidate.
Posted by: buzzion at November 23, 2011 08:07 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 23, 2011 08:07 AM (OBDWE)
Mitt Romney 2012: My first name is Mitt until it isn't!
In all seriousness, it just bugs the crap out of me what Romney gets away with in debates. He'll pounce on someone for not being conservative, but like the video shows, he really does not have a leg to stand on.
Posted by: David of PA at November 23, 2011 08:08 AM (HUxtO)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 23, 2011 08:08 AM (d6QMz)
but hey, Mitt's hair is too pretty. mess it up. that's my gripe.
Posted by: willow at November 23, 2011 08:09 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Any von Moltke you care to choose at November 23, 2011 08:09 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: John Galt at November 23, 2011 08:09 AM (9NQ6I)
Why can't it be a little of both?
Even a failed joke can be revealing or at least reinforcing about someone's character.
Again, if it were any of the others it wouldn't even be funny but because it's Mitt, it's funny and an unintentional reminder of something more serious.
It's simply a funny reminder that Mitt is so inauthentic.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 08:10 AM (dw7rB)
BTW - Will-I-Mitt also has a Secret Mormon Temple name you gentiles arn't allowed to know.*
*It's Winona
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 23, 2011 12:02 PM (oBrVT)
So Mitt will now be blamed for the downfall of Raylan Givens?
I better back Herman Cain!
Posted by: Art Mullen at November 23, 2011 08:10 AM (AM+sr)
I woulda bet my leftnut that this would've made a post here the other day, but it didn't.
"I tasted a beer and tried a cigarette once as a wayward teenager, and never did it again."
--Mitt Romney in his interview with People
This is something with which to mock Romney. It shows how much of a square he is. Certainly not a partaker in the AoS Lifestyletm.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 23, 2011 08:10 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 23, 2011 08:10 AM (OBDWE)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 23, 2011 12:08 PM (d6QMz)
Since it didn't get a laugh, I'm surprised he didn't come back with a selection of two alternative punch lines.
Posted by: maddogg at November 23, 2011 08:10 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: willow at November 23, 2011 08:10 AM (h+qn8)
Why do you have to send me to redstate? Ace and a lot of the cob-loggers are still Perrykrishnas and quite reasonable. Whereas all I get from Romneybots is the old Palinista meme that if the savior isnt successfull it must be the fault of the electorate. Its a lil bit like Brechts government desolving the people and elect a new one. I dont see that from Perrykrishnas at least not on this blog.
That is where the highest concentration of Perry supporters are to be found. But I've encountered over the top sensitivity to criticisms of Perry here as well.
In fact the very term "Perrykrishna" (aside from Perry rhyming with Hari) arose because of the almost religious like fervor that so many people have and to a certain extent still have for him.
There is plenty of it out there, and it is very reminiscent of Palin zealotry.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 23, 2011 08:10 AM (b68Df)
"Wolf Issac Blitzer has said that he has frequently been asked about his name, which has been characterized as seemingly "made-for-TV". Blitzer explains that his surname goes back for generations, and his first name, 'Wolf', is the same first name as his maternal grandfather. In writing for several Israeli newspapers in Washington, Blitzer has used the names Zev Blitzer and Zev Barak."
Posted by: Spicoli at November 23, 2011 08:11 AM (JMsOK)
Posted by: insane voter posse at November 23, 2011 08:11 AM (IfkGz)
Thou shalt not taketh the name of the Mitt (pbuh) in vain.
Thou shalt not SPEAK of the taking of the name of the Mitt (pbuh) in vain.
In fact , don't even use the earthly name of the Mitt(pbuh), except when constructing poetic posts of rapturous praise to his hair and his marvelous openness to change and flexibility on issues.
mmmm Om padi Romney hum
mmmm Om padi Romney hum
Posted by: jeffbepolyundeadchitownjerkenroyallpetunia at November 23, 2011 08:11 AM (Zw/H7)
Posted by: John Galt at November 23, 2011 12:09 PM (9NQ6I)
So we elect Mitt... what changes?
Posted by: Brock O'Bama at November 23, 2011 08:11 AM (n1JN0)
I meant "your" as in "Democrats'" Since you're all happy about being a Democrat when these threads come up.
Obviously I shouldn't try intentional comedy either.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 08:11 AM (8y9MW)
What a ridiculous blog. About as ridiculous the clown show competing against Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Winning at November 23, 2011 08:12 AM (80nuu)
I'm no Romney fan, but hey - Wolf asked a non-serious question, and Romney gave him a non-serious answer back. Good for him!
The real question is Wolf's motives. Was he
(a) Narcissistic, making it all about him
(b) Juvenile, making fun of candidates' names, or
(c) Trying to embarrass Romney by bringing up the "Willard" thing.
(d) All of the above
Personally, I'm going with choice (e): "(a) and (b)".
Posted by: Optimizer at November 23, 2011 08:12 AM (As94z)
Palin is not a Democrat. She's hated by most Democrats.
Posted by: Y-not, dirty papist at November 23, 2011 08:12 AM (5H6zj)
"Yes there are some folks who want Perry to be a factor (obviously that includes Ace) but he's not and I doubt he will be. "
As I said last night in the liveblog, if Perry doesn't make the top 3 in Iowa he is finished.
As far as Romney, anyone who supports the individual mandate and socialized medicine isn't a conservative. No matter how many times they try to say they are one.
Vote your candidate in the primary, vote the nominee in the general. Or else you support the SCOAMF. It really is that simple.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 23, 2011 08:13 AM (kaOJx)
As opposed to the large # of polls showing most of the other Repubs losing badly.
You can argue these polls are meaningless this early. But it's real data.
CAC has been posting the polling data here pretty regularly. Clubber, don't the polls show him with 7% of Republicans? Is there some huge unknown group who wants to vote for Perry hiding somewhere? Are they in the 51st to 57th States or something?
Posted by: Sub-Tard Backhoe at November 23, 2011 08:13 AM (0M3AQ)
Romneycare. Next.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2011 12:09 PM (YXmuI)
Congratulations you're about the only one. Usually they're making excuses for him about that and claiming it was actually all the democrats in MA's fault.
Posted by: buzzion at November 23, 2011 08:13 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: toby928© has plans and schemes at November 23, 2011 08:13 AM (IfkGz)
Posted by: robtr at November 23, 2011 08:14 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: proudonkey at November 23, 2011 08:15 AM (KC1L1)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 23, 2011 08:15 AM (QcFbt)
Drew-
It can. I think (I hope) you know I'm not the hyperbolic sort. I didn't know how to take this initially, and frankly wouldn't have cared if you had said it was a misfired joke. But if you are going to claim that there is a least a little "there" there, then folks will get worked up as they defend whomever they like and attack those they don't. It's a bit disingenuous to then pull the "Ok, so plenty of people think having a little fun with serial flip-flopper Willard Mitt is off limits" stuff. I've made plenty of comments and jokes not to Romney's credit. And now, on to other earthshaking news.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2011 08:15 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: NotALibertarian at November 23, 2011 08:16 AM (psns8)
Posted by: Fritz at November 23, 2011 08:16 AM (/ZZCn)
I apologized for my previous transgressions and was on good behavior.
It matters not. The onus is on the host of the party to invite you back. He has not. You're an unwelcome party crasher.
Get a life outside the intrawebs.
Posted by: toby928© has plans and schemes at November 23, 2011 08:16 AM (IfkGz)
When you get banned it forces you to a new wifi spot and Ace gets paid by the owner of the one you were at last and your a dick. But mostly that you're a dick.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 23, 2011 08:17 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: robtr at November 23, 2011 12:14 PM (MtwBb)
I really hate Salamander, I just hate him less than Mitt.
Posted by: maddogg at November 23, 2011 08:17 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: proudonkey at November 23, 2011 12:15 PM (KC1L1)
You're banned you fuckhead. And you had even said if you weren't wanted here you would respect that and leave. Yet you continue to come back after twice getting the biggest "get your ass outta here" response you can get. You don't get to sneak back in and claim you are on good behavior, because you are not on good behavior.
Posted by: buzzion at November 23, 2011 08:18 AM (GULKT)
I wish this had happened on the previous thread. It's the perfect analogue for the "Illegal immigrant who hasn't broken the law..."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 23, 2011 08:19 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jon at November 23, 2011 08:19 AM (gkCyJ)
Posted by: LP at November 23, 2011 08:19 AM (sUHGs)
Reggie1971, #124: "Maybe....just maybe....he was a right of center guy living in Massachussetts who tempered his position to make himself politically viable."
Yep. I spent most of my life there. Romney was well to the left of me, but anyone who wasn't was never going to be elected. (Bill Weld broke the Democratic lock on the governorship by following Dukakis, and by being to the left of his old-school right-wing politically incorrect Democratic opponent.) He did some good things, from my perspective. He also begat ObamaCare and doesn't regret it.
I understand neither hating his guts, nor getting seriously offended on his behalf over a little harmless snark.
Posted by: JPS at November 23, 2011 08:19 AM (yK9FQ)
Posted by: proudonkey at November 23, 2011 08:19 AM (KC1L1)
The "there there" is simply it plays into things a lot of people know and dislike about the guy.
Again if it were Perry or Cain, it wouldn't be anything at all because it's not part of their persona.
For me it was like, "the guy can't get out of his own way and comes off as a liar when he's trying to tell a joke".
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 08:21 AM (dw7rB)
271 Fine, toby, fine. I thought I added another perspective to the discussions here. But if that's the way ace feels, then I will respect it.
signing out,
proudonkey
Another perspective? WTF can you see with your head a mile up your ass?
Posted by: maddogg at November 23, 2011 08:21 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: toby928© has plans and schemes at November 23, 2011 08:22 AM (IfkGz)
Romney = Superman
YouTube = Kryptonite
In the age before the digital or analog recording of audio, Romney would totally pwn, man!
TECHNOLOGY IS HELPING THE LIBERAL MSM ATTACK ROMNEY! TECHNOLOGY IS A RINO!
Posted by: 29Victor at November 23, 2011 08:22 AM (ES9R7)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 08:22 AM (Xm1aB)
And you get a magic necklace, too! And you learn special secret magic spells to recite as you use the necklace.
It's all very dark, sexual, weird and druidic.
Luckily, America would never elect some damn dirty Papist cult freak to the Presidency. I'd tell you my secret Papist name, but that is only to be used when we finally have enough illegal Mexicans here to take over the country by force.
You will only ever hear our secret Papist names when we climb through your windows to claim what is rightfully ours. Until then we await orders from the Pope
.
(The new Emergency Broadcast System was actually installed by the Vatican to disseminate the orders! Shhhh.)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 23, 2011 12:15 PM (QcFbt)
Holy shit, that is something like what happened to me when I was an Episcopalian. At about the time my voice started to change, we had a ceremony where the minister made us kneel in front of him, he then put his hands on our head and said some words. After that we were able to go up in front of the church and kneel before the minister and hold our hands out to receive the "body of Christ", then we are given wine. We don't get to steal shit though.
Posted by: MrCaniac at November 23, 2011 08:23 AM (AM+sr)
Posted by: shoey at November 23, 2011 08:25 AM (jdOk/)
Posted by: Dave at November 23, 2011 08:25 AM (Xm1aB)
Have a good TGiving, Drew.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2011 08:25 AM (YXmuI)
@253
"As far as Romney, anyone who supports the individual mandate and socialized medicine isn't a conservative. No matter how many times they try to say they are one."
See.....this is the ridiculous Nonsense I just don't understand. Romney has said that he does not beleive that the Individual mandate is the right thing to do for a Federal Government Run Heal Care Plan, He has said he doesn't beleive in Federal Government run Health Care, and he has said that he will immediately overturn ObamaCare thru Execetive Order, by allowing all states to "opt out."
So your poistion is that he is lieing? Well that just F'n great! Now I know why we call ourselves Morons!
Posted by: Spicoli at November 23, 2011 08:25 AM (JMsOK)
Posted by: polynikes- Texan for Romney at November 23, 2011 08:25 AM (LNRLz)
Posted by: kansas at November 23, 2011 08:26 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: 29Victor at November 23, 2011 08:26 AM (ES9R7)
Read the post before this. I went after him for his immigration answer last night. I admit I'm leaning to Newt for lack of a better option and have said many, many times what a flawed candidate he is.
I also went after him when he attacked Ryan and flipped on Libya.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 08:27 AM (dw7rB)
You're banned because you're a three-legged fuckstool.
And you'll be back like a bad lunch. Because you're a three-legged fuckstool.
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 23, 2011 08:27 AM (cBVAS)
Posted by: kansas at November 23, 2011 08:27 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: CAC at November 23, 2011 08:28 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: polynikes- Texan for Romney at November 23, 2011 12:25 PM (LNRLz)
Because when the host actually managed to force Romney to actually take a stand on a controversial issue, Romney began weeping openly and his controller chip exploded?
Just a guess.
Posted by: 29Victor at November 23, 2011 08:29 AM (ES9R7)
Posted by: proudonkey at November 23, 2011 08:30 AM (KC1L1)
". Romney has said that he does not beleive that the Individual mandate is the right thing to do for a Federal Government Run Heal Care Plan, He has said he doesn't beleive in Federal Government run Health Care, and he has said that he will immediately overturn ObamaCare thru Execetive Order, by allowing all states to "opt out.""
Romney says a lot of things. Things that are different than his past actions indicate he will actually do.
He signed off on socialized medicine with the individual mandate in Mass. He has never waivered in his support for the plan that was used as the blueprint for Obamacare.
I understand you are ok with Mitt's previous actions. Fine, support your candidate. But don't ask me to support him until he is the GOP nominee, because it isn't going to happen.
Mitt would be better in the White House than having Barry get a 2nd term. Better, but who knows by how much.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 23, 2011 08:33 AM (kaOJx)
Posted by: proudonkey at November 23, 2011 12:30 PM (KC1L1)
Man, your like antibiotic resistant clap, aren't you.
Posted by: maddogg at November 23, 2011 08:34 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at November 23, 2011 08:41 AM (qndXR)
@293
Dick,
"He signed off on socialized medicine with the individual mandate in Mass"
He was a Governor of a State that Demanded it. He was voted out, because he attempted to veto the changes the Leftists State Congress made to his plan, that truly made it Socialized Medicine.
So let me get this stright......you know Mitt is going to win the Nod, and your going to vote for him regardless, but as of right now he is POS? That's Fantastic! Way to display your unwavering character!
Posted by: Spicoli at November 23, 2011 08:42 AM (JMsOK)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 23, 2011 08:42 AM (QcFbt)
Ron Paul is clearly the only normal one on stage. Yes, he has two first names. But they are both normal names.
In jest, I made the mistake of writing in a blog comment section that people with two first names weren't trustworthy. From the flaming remarks that followed, I probably would've been strung up in meat space.
Posted by: boned to the bone at November 23, 2011 08:43 AM (BHM5V)
Nope, someone put the full link up on Twitter later and I watched it. It's a fair clip. I'll try and find that link again but it's what he said.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 08:45 AM (dw7rB)
As far as Romney, anyone who supports the individual mandate and socialized medicine isn't a conservative. No matter how many times they try to say they are one.
Romney defends RomneyCare from a federalist perspective which--if viewed in context--is a very conservative place to be. Each state, governing its own affairs, comes up with its own approach to various problems shared to greater and lesser degrees by all other states, making each state a kind of societal laboratory. Some of these approaches work, some don't. The ones that work are, by and large, adopted by other states until the practice--whatever it is--is universally adopted. Thus, Romney's argument is valid insofar as it goes. It hits the rocks, however, when you look at RomneyCare in Massachusetts, which has been a failure. Why? Because revenue shortfalls in the Massachusetts plan would be made up with federal government monies. It was not self-sustainable. So when Obama's people used it as a template, they seemingly never bothered to ask who or what would underwrite a federalized version of RomneyCare. The money to fund a national healthcare plan--by necessity--needs to come from additional taxes.
As both Gingrich and Romney have pointed out, the individual mandate idea was promoted by the Heritage Foundation several years ago, which was then considered a wellspring of conservative ideas, although it has--in my view--become so embedded in establishment republicanism that calling it conservative now seems like a stretch. If the idea came from Heritage back then, though, it had the conservative imprimatur.
In short, both Romney and Gingrich can claim to be conservative, but only within a certain frame of reference and historical perspective. Federalism is the oldest idea of the Republic. The healthcare mandate was born in a Republican think-tank, although later discarded because of its incompatibility with constitutional principles. Think of federalism as 'classical conservativism', if you like, as opposed to the borderline Bircher bullshit coming from the Conservative Purity Brigade. Think of the individual mandate as a bad idea dropped by Republicans and later picked up and dusted off by Democrats.
Posted by: troyriser at November 23, 2011 08:46 AM (vtiE6)
" He was voted out,"
Complete lie by Spicoli. Willard chose not to run on his awesome record in Mass. and didn't run for re election. Do try and keep up.
And no liar, I don't know who the nominee will be. That is why we have primaries. But, since I don't support Barak Obama, I will vote for the GOP nominee over Obama. Will you?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 23, 2011 08:47 AM (kaOJx)
Posted by: kathysaysso posting nonsense, too at November 23, 2011 08:47 AM (ZtwUX)
"Romney began weeping openly and his controller chip exploded?"
Freakin' brilliant - thanks for that.
CAC at 291: Why sorry? I'm not convinced, but good post.
Posted by: JPS at November 23, 2011 08:47 AM (yK9FQ)
Posted by: CAC at November 23, 2011 08:47 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: The Committee to Elect Jeb Bush in 2016, K. Rove, Chairman at November 23, 2011 08:48 AM (yaj3c)
Posted by: Pecos, All Perry, all the time at November 23, 2011 08:49 AM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: CAC at November 23, 2011 08:51 AM (JEVge)
Mitt also said he like mandates and that what they did for health care in MA could be a model for the nation. Obama agrees.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 23, 2011 08:53 AM (dw7rB)
Posted by: John Galt at November 23, 2011 09:06 AM (9NQ6I)
I'm a Doer. Not a Slick Debater. Texas is predicted to maintain it's economic top position for the next 5 years. Who else is gonna do that for the whole country?
Posted by: Rick Perry at November 23, 2011 09:31 AM (tBMfq)
Posted by: A. Fufkin at November 23, 2011 11:57 AM (PB5TK)
Posted by: steevy at November 23, 2011 01:08 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2011 01:20 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: sTevo at November 23, 2011 03:00 PM (VMcEw)
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Posted by: The Drop iBooks at November 23, 2011 05:22 PM (oZhf0)
Posted by: The Impossible Dead Audiobook at November 23, 2011 05:35 PM (sKGGa)
Off limits?
When did we break through the looking glass into bizarro world? THIS IS ACEHQ! There are no limits and we ain't gonna show ewez no limits. His real name is Willard. There, I said it and I feel good. BTW we had a really good shot at getting a real conservative in the line of Calvin Coolidge. But all the wussies in power could do was worry about what someone would say in the media.
Off limits? MY SWEET ASS!
Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at November 23, 2011 06:05 PM (Q1qy3)
Posted by: The Oxford Companion to Beer ePub at November 23, 2011 09:24 PM (ILWQW)
Mitt Romney is a RINO and aspiring to be nothing more or less than McCain the Sequel. He sucks. But hey, if you want a dude whose sole saving grace is that he's good at debates don't let me stop you from voting for him.
-- Your friend, Reality
Posted by: R. Waher at November 24, 2011 06:03 PM (4FP+P)
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