November 25, 2011
— Ace A few more of these. Some of these snippets are so blatant in showing bias I worry that they are, actually, taken out of context.
The emails paint a clear picture of scientists selectively using data, and colluding with politicians to misuse scientific information.
‘Humphrey’, said to work at Defra [UK's Department of Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs], writes: ‘I cannot overstate the HUGE amount of political interest in the project as a message that the government can give on climate change to help them tell their story.'They want their story to be a very strong one and don’t want to be made to look foolish.’
Professor Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit at the centre of the affair, said the group findings did stand up to scrutiny.
Yet one of the newly released emails, written by Prof. Jones - who is working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) - said: 'Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden.
'IÂ’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.'
That's the one I worry about. It seems so blatant.
However, Jones has frequently before made "intellectual property" rights claims over the raw data, insistent that only he and his fellow cultists could examine the actual data. This could just be an advisory to always keep their Golden Goose hidden from outside observers.
Some scientists weren't completely comfortable with the deceptions:
One nervous scientist wrote: 'The figure you sent is very deceptive.''I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run,' wrote another.
The lead author of one of the reports, Jonathan Overpeck, wrote, 'The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guide whatÂ’s included and what is left out.'
"Science" is always about political messages, and tailoring releases to buttress those messages. Duh.
A global warming believer, Clive Cook, has reportedly said:
'The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me.'The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering.'
Not so much to me anymore.
Thanks to Just the Tip.
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Posted by: SurferDoc at November 25, 2011 12:58 PM (6H6FZ)
All except for the 3rd world ass wipes in the UN. Then it was our money to their country and then their pockets.
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 12:58 PM (YdQQY)
A global warming believer, Clive Cook, has reportedly said:
'The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me.'The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering.'
Certainly not going to get him to rethink his positions, however. That would be blasphemy.
Posted by: wiserbud at November 25, 2011 12:59 PM (3Okgs)
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 12:59 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Phil Jones at November 25, 2011 12:59 PM (IfkGz)
Posted by: steevy at November 25, 2011 01:02 PM (7WJOC)
Evidently, they were trying to put out a half-page summary sheet.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2011 01:03 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 25, 2011 01:03 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 25, 2011 04:58 PM (6H6FZ)
FIFY.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2011 01:05 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: steevy at November 25, 2011 01:06 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: t-bird at November 25, 2011 01:07 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 25, 2011 01:08 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: CanaDave at November 25, 2011 01:12 PM (kfM99)
*ahem*
Posted by: Breast Implants at November 25, 2011 01:13 PM (IfkGz)
The Blogger Awards ceremony would be something to behold:
Some Hirsute Creature: "And I'd like to thank Laurie David's Cervix, Charlie Brown's Dildo, Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Clitoris ..."
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 25, 2011 01:13 PM (N+nDK)
'IÂ’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.'
If this were a sane world, these two sentences would be enough to strip Prof. Jones of any academic standing. Science is meant to illuminate, not hide. One cannot release figures and then conveniently not release the original data from which those figures were derived from upon request. Imagine if some grad student had tried that stunt with their adviser.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 25, 2011 01:14 PM (9hSKh)
'IÂ’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy)
In a nutshell, there is the main problem. Science is as green as the greenback will buy.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 25, 2011 01:14 PM (JYheX)
Only at AoS HQ are you gonna hear those immortal words Thanks to Just the Tip .
Heh. My thoughts exactly. Too bad Gorebull Warmists give us much more than that.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 01:14 PM (8f0xW)
Posted by: Breast Implants at November 25, 2011 05:13 PM (IfkGz)
Hey, can't take credit for our work.
Posted by: Trial Lawyers at November 25, 2011 01:16 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 25, 2011 05:13 PM (N+nDK)
Lets not forget Masturbatin Pete, and Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 01:16 PM (8f0xW)
Posted by: steevy at November 25, 2011 01:17 PM (7WJOC)
lying bastards, the lot of them....
Posted by: Butter, Beer and Cigarettes at November 25, 2011 01:17 PM (3Okgs)
If this were a sane world, these two sentences
would be enough to strip Prof. Jones of any academic standing. Science
is meant to illuminate, not hide. One cannot release figures and then
conveniently not release the original data from which those figures were
derived from upon request. Imagine if some grad student had tried that
stunt with their adviser.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 25, 2011 05:14 PM (9hSKh)
And Mann is any better? Why are these people taking up space in (formerly) prestigious schools?
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2011 01:19 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Secondhand smoke at November 25, 2011 01:20 PM (IfkGz)
I like the cut of this entity's jib.
Posted by: The Mittens Collective at November 25, 2011 01:21 PM (N+nDK)
There is no way I would call Mann, Hansen, and Phil Jones scientists. Frauds is the nicest thing I have to say about them. Hansen is still drawing a NASA government paycheck.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 25, 2011 01:21 PM (ENKCw)
As for DDT the original EPA team that examined it said that there was no evidence that warranted removal of it. Then the new head Rucklesnot over-road them and ordered it banned anyway.
That set the tone for the EPA from the start.
But the real scientific community works in the labs of places like IBM, Dow Chem, and other firms.
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 01:23 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Deer Ticks, Crab Lice and Bedbugs at November 25, 2011 01:23 PM (puy4B)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 25, 2011 01:24 PM (p7SSh)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 25, 2011 01:26 PM (p7SSh)
That's why statists must control it so brutally. It works against everything they need and want.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2011 01:27 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: mike at November 25, 2011 01:29 PM (rkaQN)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 25, 2011 01:29 PM (p7SSh)
Posted by: Saccharin at November 25, 2011 01:29 PM (3Okgs)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 01:29 PM (8f0xW)
Eisenhower
17 January 1961
Posted by: LifeTrek at November 25, 2011 01:30 PM (0jXyB)
Well, let's see now ...
Posted by: Everybody is at equal risk for getting HIV at November 25, 2011 01:32 PM (4q5tP)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 25, 2011 01:33 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: Robert Stadler at November 25, 2011 01:33 PM (YdQQY)
I like the cut of this man's jib and would like to subscribe to his monthly papyrus.
Posted by: Khufu, Fourth Dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh at November 25, 2011 01:34 PM (L00d6)
I remember libs ever so smugly sneering at military intelligence and calling it an oxymoron. Strangely, they are silent on the notion of "scientists" with a political agenda. If your work has a political agenda, you aren't a scientist.
The damage done here is greater than many realize. Science itself is now suspect. Not to worry though, I'm sure crystals and feathers will provide an adequate substitute. Look out, China!
Posted by: pep at November 25, 2011 01:35 PM (6TB1Z)
Thanks, Imelt. SCoaMF
Posted by: Shame The Shameless at November 25, 2011 01:35 PM (TFeHR)
It makes you wonder what else the 'scientific community' has lied about over the last 40 years.
Uh, man walking on the moon?
Posted by: Lemme adjust my tinfoil hat at November 25, 2011 01:38 PM (4q5tP)
Remember that idiot blogger who jumped on the global warming bandwangon just as the wheels started to come off? Hard to imagine how dumb he must feel.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 25, 2011 01:39 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: Palerider at November 25, 2011 01:41 PM (ITaIZ)
52 It makes you wonder what else the 'scientific community' has lied about over the last 40 years.
Ahem.
Posted by: The Population Bomb, Global Cooling, Heterosexual AIDS, Bird Flu, Killer Bees at November 25, 2011 01:42 PM (gc4Jn)
He doesn't feel dumb, he is more than likely so indoctrinated that all the leaked emails enumerating fraud would NEVER change his mind. That's just how libprogs' minds work. Or, don't work, rather.
Posted by: Shame The Shameless at November 25, 2011 01:42 PM (TFeHR)
Posted by: Oracle at Delphi at November 25, 2011 01:44 PM (gc4Jn)
I've been looking at the topic of global warmer since the 80s and I have flipped on the subject about 5 times. What's the cause, is it really happening, how fast, how severe... there are many questions to bounce around. Unfortunately, the left has hijacked the issue so they can implement they're big government solutions. Big government solutions have always worked so well in the past, why not use big government - savior of the world.
Posted by: Evan at November 25, 2011 01:45 PM (O3OlP)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 01:47 PM (8f0xW)
I think "Thanks to CharlieBrownsDildo" still stands as the winner.
Posted by: J. Random Dude at November 25, 2011 01:47 PM (72afg)
Remember the Alamo!
Damn the torpedoes!
Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!
Hide the decline!
To infinity! Any beyond!!
Posted by: One of these things is not like the others at November 25, 2011 01:53 PM (4q5tP)
Can we use you to destroy capitalism? If not, no thanks.
Posted by: MSNBC at November 25, 2011 01:53 PM (HtUdo)
65. mmhmm. He's probably latched onto the global warming alarmism/political fraud with greater fervor. Progholes don't admit they are wrong, they just bite down harder. + he readz sum buux on subjek. He smarzez nowz wid da sci-inz.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 25, 2011 01:53 PM (O7ksG)
Only the Priests may view the sacred scrolls.
Only the Priests may interpret the sacred scrolls.
Posted by: warmer at November 25, 2011 01:53 PM (h6XiD)
Posted by: One of these things is not like the others at November 25, 2011 01:55 PM (4q5tP)
Can we use you to destroy capitalism? If not, no thanks.
Posted by: MSNBC at November 25, 2011 05:53 PM (HtUdo)
They tried. I remembered this from back in the 70's, which is why I've always been skeptical of AGW. It's one thing to change one's mind when new information becomes available, it's another to use a completely contrary set of facts to argue for exactly the same desired policy.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2011 01:55 PM (kaalw)
'The trick may be . . . .
It's been a long time since I sat in any science class, but I just don't recall that phrase being used much.
Posted by: L Rob in OK at November 25, 2011 01:56 PM (7yvLv)
@65
Eh. He's not embarrassed. He'll just huskily post "Nontroversy!!11!!" and continue to be the husky blogger douche that he is.
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at November 25, 2011 01:57 PM (zxrQh)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 25, 2011 01:58 PM (Qjh0I)
I told Andrew B. to comment on this thread via twitter, since he pimped the post in a tweet. We shall see if he obliges....
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 01:58 PM (8f0xW)
It makes you wonder what else the 'scientific community' has lied about over the last 40 years.
[waves hand]
Posted by: G spot at November 25, 2011 01:59 PM (4q5tP)
I was promised, Promised! Global Warming.
Sob.
I want my Global warming and I want it now!
sniff
Posted by: Pecos, All Perry, all the time at November 25, 2011 01:59 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: kansas at November 25, 2011 02:00 PM (9pera)
Posted by: kansas at November 25, 2011 02:01 PM (9pera)
It makes you wonder what else the 'scientific community' has lied about over the last 40 years.
Remember me?
Posted by: Coffee gives you cancer of the pancreas at November 25, 2011 02:02 PM (kfM99)
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at November 25, 2011 02:02 PM (R6v0F)
Posted by: RushBabe at November 25, 2011 02:02 PM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: Coffee gives you cancer of the pancreas at November 25, 2011 06:02 PM (kfM99)
Screw you!
Posted by: Wide-eyed and alert pancreas at o'dark-thirty at November 25, 2011 02:03 PM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 02:04 PM (8f0xW)
Oxymoron. If you lie, you are, by definition, not part of the scientific community. Please fight the meme.
Posted by: pep at November 25, 2011 02:04 PM (6TB1Z)
'The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering.'
See, somebody still reads my blog!
Posted by: Dr Charles Johnson, Scienceologist at November 25, 2011 02:04 PM (Y+DPZ)
It makes you wonder what else the 'scientific community' has lied about over the last 40 years.
Don't forget meeee!!!!
Posted by: 5 pounds of undigested red meat in your bowels at November 25, 2011 02:07 PM (kfM99)
First go: "Drawn, bitter bear"
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 25, 2011 02:08 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 25, 2011 02:09 PM (xtft7)
Without the raw data and all calcs released everything should have been summarily dismissed - that is how this sciency stuff is suppossed to work.
That is why I personally and professionally dismiss AGW or whatever they call it today. (And my sciency senses tell me it is crap... )
Posted by: Rmoney at November 25, 2011 02:10 PM (7MFxV)
WBTUS is going to be sooooo obnoxious about that
Posted by: kbdabear at November 25, 2011 06:07 PM (Y+DPZ)
Good lord what happened? The last time I checked AR was winning 17-0 in the 4tyh quarter. Did the OWS come in and shit on the AR players?
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 02:10 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: kansas at November 25, 2011 06:00 PM (9pera)
Great point. Part of the existence of the FDA is to approve pharmaceuticals for safe use.
It sure seems like they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
And it's another reason why I don't take pharms at all. Except for Osteo Bi-Flex for the joints. That shit works! But that's not a pharm, so... shout out for Big Osteo Bi-Flex!
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 02:10 PM (ecl/7)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 25, 2011 02:12 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at November 25, 2011 02:13 PM (fJhBR)
Posted by: kansas at November 25, 2011 06:00 PM (9pera)
Actually when I see a drug has been on the market for 20 years with no adverse impact and all of a sudden "it starts killing people" I begin to suspect the evidence that the drug is what is doing the killing.
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 02:14 PM (YdQQY)
And it's another reason why I don't take pharms at all. Except for Osteo Bi-Flex for the joints. That shit works!
And Aleve. Don't forget Aleve. If I ever turned into a druggie, that would be my drug of choice. Just one, and lots and lots of water or it'll wreck your stomach. I feel like a new woman when I take Aleve.
Okay, morons, have at it.
Posted by: RushBabe-a-Claus at November 25, 2011 02:14 PM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 25, 2011 06:09 PM (xtft7)
Roemer/ Jindal 2012
Louisiana electoral votes be damned
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 02:16 PM (8f0xW)
Posted by: Jason Bourne at November 25, 2011 02:17 PM (kfM99)
I begin to suspect the evidence that the drug is what is doing the killing.
I begin to suspect the ambulance chasers with bad hair and commercials that air during Jerry Springer.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 02:18 PM (8f0xW)
He has fudge factors built in to each and every station data point to make sure his clusterfuck of station data produces the exact result he wants it to.
check out: http://surfacestations.org/
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 25, 2011 02:19 PM (UTq/I)
Okay, morons, have at it.
Posted by: RushBabe-a-Claus at November 25, 2011 06:14 PM (tQHzJ)
I forgot Aleve. I have lower back issues and if I take it before my back starts to hurt, all is good.
If I take it after is starts to hurt, it's useless for some reason.
I got the double-whammy because I'm forgetful as hell and usually don't take them because I'm the type that wakes up at the very last minute.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 02:20 PM (ecl/7)
Posted by: steevy at November 25, 2011 02:22 PM (7WJOC)
Actually when I see a drug has been on the market for 20 years with no adverse impact and all of a sudden "it starts killing people" I begin to suspect the evidence that the drug is what is doing the killing.
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 06:14 PM (YdQQY)
I think part of that might be the diagnostic procedures, tho. Sometimes, not always, doctors get comfortable with what they prescribe and just will not consider the pharm as a problem.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 02:23 PM (ecl/7)
Posted by: billygoat at November 25, 2011 02:24 PM (smit2)
I just had a bunch of leftovers that's leaving me sleepy and lethargic. My question for all of the scientists out there is....
Would copious amounts of whiskey help or hurt me at this point?
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 02:24 PM (8f0xW)
All pain medication works that way. Any doctor will tell you chasing pain is a losing proposition. Since aleve, aspirin, and other weak pain killers are so weak you can never "catch" the pain.
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 02:24 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: garrett at November 25, 2011 02:24 PM (2io+u)
[waves hand]
Posted by: G spot at November 25, 2011 05:59 PM (4q5tP)
They have hands?
Well, a haptic interface anyway.
Posted by: pep at November 25, 2011 02:25 PM (6TB1Z)
Would copious amounts of whiskey help or hurt me at this point?
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 06:24 PM (8f0xW)
It depends on how fast you drink it!
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 02:26 PM (ecl/7)
I just had a bunch of leftovers that's leaving me sleepy and lethargic. My question for all of the scientists out there is....
Would copious amounts of whiskey help or hurt me at this point?
Posted by: Delta Smelt
at November 25, 2011 06:24 PM (8f0xW)
DRINK ME!!!!!!
Posted by: Jack Daniels at November 25, 2011 02:26 PM (smit2)
[waves hand]
Posted by: G spot at November 25, 2011 05:59 PM (4q5tP)
They have hands?
Well then, it can just grab 'little fluffy' if it wants attention, can't it?
Posted by: fluffy at November 25, 2011 02:27 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 02:28 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 25, 2011 02:29 PM (Qjh0I)
Hey! I will have you know that when I worked for the ambulance chasers my hair was fanfuckingtastic, thankyouverymuch.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 25, 2011 02:31 PM (Gk3SS)
NUMERO.
UNO.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 25, 2011 06:09 PM (xtft7)
Ahem ... 11 - 0 (We're number 8! Yay!!)
Posted by: UH Cougars at November 25, 2011 02:32 PM (4q5tP)
Why wasn't I invited onto the show? I have much experience in navigating through black holes.
Posted by: Helen Thomas' last lover at November 25, 2011 02:32 PM (UR5vq)
Are there Ancient Aliens and great white sharks leaping through the air on the other side? If so, that would be my Favorite Show Ever!
Posted by: alexthechick at November 25, 2011 02:32 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 06:24 PM (YdQQY)
That's interesting, I didn't know that.
I despise painkillers, I avoid them whenever I can.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 02:34 PM (ecl/7)
Ahem ... 11 - 0 (We're number 8! Yay!!)
Posted by: UH Cougars at November 25, 2011 06:32 PMUh, when did Demi Moore get a football team?
Posted by: fluffy at November 25, 2011 02:34 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at November 25, 2011 06:34 PM (8f0xW)
It's gold, Jerry! I tell ya, gold!
Posted by: George "Climate" Costanza at November 25, 2011 02:35 PM (tQHzJ)
[waves hand]
Posted by: G spot at November 25, 2011 05:59 PM (4q5tP)
They have hands?
Posted by: RushBabe-a-Claus at November 25, 2011 06:22 PM (tQHzJ)
More like microscopic cilia / flagella, actually. In theory.
We don't really exist, except as sex lore.
Posted by: G spot at November 25, 2011 02:37 PM (4q5tP)
We don't really exist, except as sex lore.
Posted by: G spot at November 25, 2011 06:37 PM (4q5tP)
Are you absolutely sure?
*scratches head*
Posted by: Mr. RushBabe at November 25, 2011 02:39 PM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: Delta Smelt channeling the black dude from Swingers at November 25, 2011 02:40 PM (8f0xW)
Posted by: Max Power at November 25, 2011 02:41 PM (+wxCD)
I must keep in mind who owns this "science channel". It is the same people that own the weather channel.
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 02:42 PM (YdQQY)
If she's able to get her paws on some of Ashton's fortune during the divorce, Demi might be able to afford a football team.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 25, 2011 02:42 PM (UR5vq)
"reined in," not "reigned in."
One refers to stopping or slowing down a horse; the other means to be a monarch in a certain place or time.
Posted by: JeffM at November 25, 2011 02:45 PM (zD0RO)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 25, 2011 02:46 PM (h6mPj)
Are you absolutely sure?
*scratches head*
Posted by: Mr. RushBabe at November 25, 2011 06:39 PM (tQHzJ)
You won't find it that way.
Posted by: garrett at November 25, 2011 02:50 PM (2io+u)
Posted by: Delta Smelt channeling the black dude from Swingers at November 25, 2011 02:50 PM (8f0xW)
Can we use you to destroy capitalism? If not, no thanks.
Posted by: MSNBC at November 25, 2011 05:53 PM (HtUdo)
You forget that global cooling was being blamed on ... you guessed it, BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!! Back then, it was that the particulates (from generating the energy Man needs to advance) blocking out the sun that would take the Earth into a deep freeze, so we had to stop generating energy or else the Earth would freeze to death.
But .... sadly, the Earth never froze. Hearts were broken. Psyches were crushed. But, then, we had a few hot years and the game was back on. Now, instead of little particulates blocking out the warming rays of the sun, the sun was found to have no effect on climate, at all, and the life-giving CO2 that plants required was found to be the death gas of the planet. Therefore, even though the scientology of climate predictions had been 180 degrees wrong (by the scientologists' own claims) ... we still had to stop producing the energy that Man needs to survive and advance, or else the Earth would burn to a cinder.
Sure, it sounds so stupid that no self-respecting person would ever try to pull such a con ... but it turns out that the world's average IQ is actually much, much lower than any previous estimates had even come close to, so this all worked out okay for the climate scientologists. And, like it or not, they're probably going to get another act, too.
Posted by: The Sad World of Today at November 25, 2011 02:51 PM (X3lox)
"reined in," not "reigned in."
One refers to stopping or slowing down a horse; the other means to be a monarch in a certain place or time.
15 yard penalty, loss of down.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 02:52 PM (ecl/7)
Once more.
Global warming and cooling has occurred periodically over time. Enough verifiable data exists to demonstrate this. To deny either is stupid. To posit that humanity can affect a naturally occurring phenomonon displays monumental arrogance.
If a solution must be espoused, then why not simply adapt to the particular, thereby insuring or vastly increasing the chances of surviving either.
Posted by: irongrampa at November 25, 2011 02:54 PM (SAMxH)
The two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Ben Bova.
Posted by: Pecos, All Perry, all the time at November 25, 2011 02:56 PM (2Gb0y)
Paul Bunyan
Fountain of Youth
Bermuda Triangle
Loch Ness Monster
Bigfoot
G Spot
Atlantis
El Dorado
Abominable Snowman
Posted by: Mythical People, Places, & Things at November 25, 2011 02:59 PM (4q5tP)
"reined in," not "reigned in."
One refers to stopping or slowing down a horse; the other means to be a monarch in a certain place or time.
15 yard penalty, loss of down.
Thanks Eric. That one bothers me almost as much as the use of gaul when the writer means gall.
Posted by: Pecos, All Perry, all the time at November 25, 2011 03:00 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: navybrat at November 25, 2011 03:01 PM (qiS0M)
Posted by: mike at November 25, 2011 03:06 PM (rkaQN)
Global warming and cooling has occurred periodically over time. Enough verifiable data exists to demonstrate this. To deny either is stupid. To posit that humanity can affect a naturally occurring phenomonon displays monumental arrogance.
Indeed. It hasn't always been 85 degrees in the summer here in Ohio, particularly when the northern half of Ohio was buried under 5,000 feet of ice.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 03:06 PM (ecl/7)
Heh. That was always my response when someone was being snotty to be about AGW "Do I believe in global warming? Since 10,000 years ago, this area used to be under 1/2 mile of ice, I'm going with yes. Do I believe that humans are the primary cause of it? Are you high?"
Posted by: alexthechick at November 25, 2011 03:12 PM (Gk3SS)
Are you high?
Well since the people you have that conversation with actually believe in AGW, then the answer to your question is, "Why yes, I am"
They're libs after all.
Posted by: Gary Coleman at November 25, 2011 03:16 PM (niX38)
He's worth about 140 mil and she's worth about 150 mil. Or, maybe, I've got it reversed. Either way, she's not hurting for money.
Posted by: mike at November 25, 2011 07:06 PM (rkaQN)
Where does an aging Demi go from here, relationshipwise? Action hero Bruce Willis. Alleged funnyguy and boytoy Ashton Kutcher. Who would want to be the third ring in that circus? Bieber? Not that I care.
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 25, 2011 03:17 PM (4q5tP)
Who would want to be the third ring in that circus? Bieber?
Lindsay Lohan.
It would be a career move for her.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 25, 2011 03:18 PM (niX38)
Does that mean that Barry and Moochelle's vacation in Copenhagen a couple years back was nothing more than a perk for the world's political elite and well connected?
Why yes, I think that's just what it means.
Meanwhile, back on planet earth, the Eurozone burns and the Obama Administration (Nero?) is playing catch up to the PIIGS of Europe.
Posted by: JD at November 25, 2011 03:18 PM (wOTy7)
Posted by: RushBabe at November 25, 2011 03:19 PM (tQHzJ)
Tell you in a sec...
*turns on the Disney Channel
Posted by: Demi Moore at November 25, 2011 03:22 PM (3Okgs)
Posted by: steevy at November 25, 2011 03:25 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: June Cleaver at November 25, 2011 07:23 PM (vbh31)
Oh, my.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2011 03:26 PM (kaalw)
Who would want to be the third ring in that circus? Bieber?
Lindsay Lohan.
It would be a career move for her.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 25, 2011 07:18 PM (niX3
Somewhat arousing. Newsletter?
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 25, 2011 03:30 PM (4q5tP)
________
I would be afraid of running into that planet in the middle where Rimmer was stranded and cloned himself.
Posted by: Anachronda at November 25, 2011 03:33 PM (6fER6)
An IQ of 100 is supposed to be average; however, based on extensive observation of Walmart shoppers, Democrat candidates and voters, and OWS attendees, I conclude that the average IQ is actually more like 50.
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 25, 2011 03:40 PM (i3+c5)
Somewhat arousing. Newsletter?
You've been added to the distribution list of Dysfunctional Bi-Sexual Sluts Monthly. Expect your first issue in 4-6 weeks.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 25, 2011 03:41 PM (niX38)
You nailed it Ace.
Posted by: Mammon at November 25, 2011 03:41 PM (gra0E)
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 03:41 PM (/c/ec)
OT puzzler for the mechanic Morons.
I own a '90 Dodge Ramcharger with a 318 Chrysler, 2wd.
I've replaced everything back from the motor but the engine won't fire below 20 degrees. The engine cranks fine but the sumbitch just won't fire.
It won't even fire with a shot of ether. Why?
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 03:48 PM (ecl/7)
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 07:41 PM (/c/ec)
Sir, I keep telling you this is Walgreens not Walmart.
Posted by: Wallgreens Pharmacist at November 25, 2011 03:50 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 03:51 PM (ecl/7)
I think I would do sheryl crow after watching the Washington Stewart Colbert special. She was definitely doable. Giving her a second chance.
Posted by: Mammon at November 25, 2011 03:51 PM (nv9Ib)
Someone nuke the comments of the troll that gets his religious information from shitty keanu reeves movies.
Posted by: buzzion at November 25, 2011 03:51 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 25, 2011 07:50 PM (i3+c5)
It's smooth in warmer temps.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 03:52 PM (ecl/7)
What do you mean by everything?
Posted by: Wallgreens Pharmacist at November 25, 2011 03:53 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: phoenixgirl drinking fine wine that gushka said not to bring to the party because the schlubs will d at November 25, 2011 03:54 PM (SH3gZ)
It won't even fire with a shot of ether. Why? Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 07:48 PM (ecl/7)
It has a gree-gree. Call me.
Posted by: Ms. Cleo at November 25, 2011 03:54 PM (ChelV)
If it's like the 318's of the late 70's/80's, yessir.
Try retarding the timing a couple degrees toward TDC from what the manual says when it's 'cold', then back toward normal as the spring/summer approaches.
That used to work for me (in Nebraska climate).
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 25, 2011 03:56 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Vic at November 25, 2011 03:56 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 03:58 PM (/c/ec)
"reined in," not "reigned in."
One refers to stopping or slowing down a horse; the other means to be a monarch in a certain place or time.
15 yard penalty, loss of down.
To defend our host, I think he meant exactly that politics "was king" in the AGW "science". On the other hand, I'm certain he didn't mean that politics in some way limited or slowed the AGW "science".
Posted by: L Rob in OK at November 25, 2011 04:00 PM (7yvLv)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 25, 2011 04:01 PM (SH3gZ)
It's smooth in warmer temps.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 07:52 PM (ecl/7)
I haven't worked on anything that modern, but in the olden days, I would have tried to swap out the coil as possibly being temperature sensitive. If it runs at higher temps, but won't fire on ether in the cold, it sounds like a coil problem.
Pull a spark plug wire (carefully) and put a spark plug in the end. Ground the outside of the plug and crank the engine. If the ignition system is good, you should see a visible spark. YMMV.
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 25, 2011 04:02 PM (i3+c5)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 25, 2011 04:02 PM (73tyQ)
It's smooth in warmer temps.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 07:52 PM (ecl/7)
@194 Vic's solution is also a good one and wroth a try.
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 25, 2011 04:04 PM (i3+c5)
What do you mean by everything?
Posted by: Wallgreens Pharmacist at November 25, 2011 07:53 PM (GZitp)
Brakes, suspension, hoses, pumps, belts, alternator, gaskets, a/c.
$4,500 bucks worth.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 04:04 PM (ecl/7)
Where does an aging Demi go from here, relationshipwise? Action hero Bruce Willis. Alleged funnyguy and boytoy Ashton Kutcher. Who would want to be the third ring in that circus? Bieber? Not that I care.
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 25, 2011 07:17 PM (4q5tP)
70-year-old producer. It's a time-honored tradition in Hollywood.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 25, 2011 04:05 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 25, 2011 04:07 PM (SH3gZ)
$4,500 bucks worth.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 08:04 PM (ecl/7)
For a Chrysler product, one has to ask why?
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 25, 2011 04:08 PM (i3+c5)
Exhaust? You don't have a plugged up catalytic converter do you?
Posted by: lowandslow at November 25, 2011 04:09 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Juji Fruit at November 25, 2011 04:12 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: Alar at November 25, 2011 04:12 PM (8HStJ)
Posted by: L Rob in OK at November 25, 2011 04:14 PM (7yvLv)
For a Chrysler product, one has to ask why?
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 25, 2011 08:08 PM (i3+c5)
Because I'm a boat guy and the money hole at least has a huge engine and full towing package.
That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 04:14 PM (ecl/7)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 25, 2011 08:09 PM (GZitp)
Funny you mention that because at idle, it whines like a jet engine, a real high pitched tone.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 04:17 PM (ecl/7)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 25, 2011 04:21 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: L Rob in OK at November 25, 2011 08:14 PM (7yvLv)
Yeah, I have mechanic buddy who wants to look at it and he had a similar thought.
I'm hoping the list price on the part won't be too high.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 04:23 PM (ecl/7)
Erk, did you try praying over it? Holding hands, laying of hands on the carburetor?
Posted by: Mammon at November 25, 2011 04:25 PM (w9vb/)
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 04:29 PM (/c/ec)
You may need a starter rebuild, a new battery or who the hell knows what. Is the engine carburated or fuel injected?
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 08:29 PM (/c/ec)
It's fuel injected. It's been cold the past few days (30-40) and it takes three or four cranks for it to fire. And the whole damn thing has been rebuilt. Or so I thought.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 04:36 PM (ecl/7)
Posted by: The Settlers of Catan ePub at November 25, 2011 04:47 PM (1zWp1)
Posted by: Prof. Jone's e-mail toThomas Dolby at November 25, 2011 04:48 PM (qs9G3)
From my experience fuel injected engines are way easier starting in cold weather than carbureted engines. Since it is injected and a 1990, I'm assuming it is throttle body fuel injection and not port injection. Probably some computer involved which makes things beyond my limited knowledge. Do you pump the accelerator while trying to start it? If you do that is a no no. If you were spraying ether in it, where were you spraying it? I doubt that the ether got all the way to the intake.
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 04:49 PM (/c/ec)
Posted by: A somewhat confused Boss at November 25, 2011 04:55 PM (qs9G3)
If you were spraying ether in it, where were you spraying it? I doubt that the ether got all the way to the intake.
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 08:49 PM (/c/ec)
Straight down the throat. It fires @ 21 degrees, below that it doesn't.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 04:59 PM (ecl/7)
Posted by: Don’t Look Behind You epub at November 25, 2011 05:07 PM (1zWp1)
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 05:08 PM (/c/ec)
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 05:13 PM (/c/ec)
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 09:08 PM (/c/ec)
Thanks for the help, Ron.
If it ain't one thing it's another.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 05:14 PM (ecl/7)
have you changed the fuel filter lately?
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 09:13 PM (/c/ec)
No.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 05:20 PM (ecl/7)
Posted by: The Third Reich AudioBook at November 25, 2011 05:24 PM (+4zdJ)
Posted by: Ronster at November 25, 2011 05:25 PM (/c/ec)
Posted by: The Forgotten Warrior ePub at November 25, 2011 05:27 PM (bCf5k)
Erk, just suggesting, this is not an automobile site and these people are not that smart to begin with.
Maybe buy Toyota?
Posted by: Mammon at November 25, 2011 05:31 PM (w9vb/)
Comon girls, can't we just have fun?
Posted by: Mammon at November 25, 2011 09:20 PM (itaxw)
Mammon is the demon of so called injustice.
Seek God, people.
Posted by: ErikW at November 25, 2011 05:32 PM (ecl/7)
Women and Pony Tailed Fascist Blogger Douchebags Hardest Hit
Posted by: kansas at November 25, 2011 05:37 PM (9pera)
Posted by: Mammon at November 25, 2011 05:39 PM (itaxw)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 25, 2011 09:05 PM (vahvH)
Posted by: Guinness World Records 2012 ePub at November 25, 2011 10:47 PM (9hSnY)
It's worth remembering that the first Homo sapiens to come to America walked here, via the Bering Isthmus. So the climate has changed, drastically, during our time on earth. But unless you believe in magic, it's unlikely that we brought that about.
Posted by: Brown Line at November 26, 2011 12:32 AM (PC7uD)
Posted by: ciceroskip at November 26, 2011 07:06 AM (6l9pF)
Posted by: Joe Bidenmytime at November 26, 2011 06:08 PM (kBhjH)
I know I'm way late to the party, but I had a Ranger with similar symptoms. I don't know if Ford uses the same system as yours, but you might look to see if there's something called a thermactor valve or similar. It was a little beast Ford put in line on its early fuel injected engines to take the place of a choke. If it acted up in cold weather, it was a bear to start and keep running. You had to constantly keep your foot lightly on the gas until the engine warmed up - a real trick if you have a manual transmission and need to go NOW.
Posted by: kaz at November 27, 2011 07:15 AM (o2cit)
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