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December 08, 2011

More Video From Holder Hearing: The Mitchell/McCarthy Exchange
— Ace

The background on this is that Holder is taking the position that because he appointed an Inspector General to look into this matter (someone who is alleged to be covering this up, of course), he does not have to produce any documents created since that appointment (which was in February of this year).

Why? I suppose his claim is that it might interfere with the investigation. But so what? As a commenter said earlier, "Co-equal, motherf***er, do you speak it?"

The fact that the Executive is performing its own investigation (supposedly) does not disburden Holder from his duty to respond to legitimate Congressional inquiries.

And, FYI, this is all a nonsense cover-up; this "independent investigation" was started just so they could start saying "We can't comment on that until our investigation reports back to us on January 25th, 2012."

And while Issa threatened Holder with contempt, there, earlier Sensenbrenner brought up the possibility of a full impeachment hearing-- if that's what it takes to compel documents out of the DoJ.

Eric Holder's Expertise: Clinton defender and Marc Rich pardon-procurer Holder explains that you can speak falsehoods like crazy as long as no one can prove you have the required mental state of intent to lie.

Posted by: Ace at 01:29 PM | Comments (143)
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1 Congress can't play softball on this. It's unbelievable what they pulled. There is a body count and they are using the issue for political maneuvering over gun control. If the R in Congress don't fight for Holder to step down (at least), they are all worthless shills.

Posted by: mare at December 08, 2011 01:34 PM (A98Xu)

2 Zzzzzzz...

Posted by: The Nightly News at December 08, 2011 01:34 PM (BbX1b)

3 Whoo-hoo! Another post on this.

Time to go into full Wiener mode.

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 01:34 PM (KC2BE)

4 I don't know what Issa's problem is. Holder said he has someone looking into it.... That's good enough for me...

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at December 08, 2011 01:35 PM (X4EXc)

5 Eric Holder refusing to hand over documents?
I'm shocked! I did not see that coming at all.

Posted by: George Pickett at December 08, 2011 01:35 PM (cQ5lO)

6 "Well, if you want to have this legal conversation, it all has to do with your state of mind and whether or not you had the requisite intent to come up with something that would be considered perjury or a lie"

Posted by: Holder actually said this at December 08, 2011 01:35 PM (9eDbm)

7 Also, note that Hank Johnson (no relation thank God) called every NRA member a radical in the first session.

Considering Janet's views on radicals that should give you chills if you're a member.

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 01:36 PM (KC2BE)

8 If we only had some balls. Oh, I'm sorry, did that offend someone? No? Well I should apologize anyway. Just in case.

Posted by: Those Republicans at December 08, 2011 01:36 PM (BbX1b)

9 "Co-equal, motherf***er, do you speak it?"

Damn Skimpy!

DOJ "B!tch @ss N!gg@z!"

Posted by: Ina_Ginalship at December 08, 2011 01:36 PM (sgCFi)

10 Man, I am worn out! What a week I've had!

Posted by: Eric Holder's office shredder at December 08, 2011 01:37 PM (BbX1b)

11 Total number of emails to or from Holder produced to Congress: ZERO. Can someone confirm I heard that correctly?

Posted by: USA at December 08, 2011 01:38 PM (6Cjut)

12 Yawn!

Wake me when a cute white baby disappears!

Posted by: The MSM at December 08, 2011 01:39 PM (Car1w)

13 Holder: "We will respond in a way that is consistent with the way in which the Justice Department has always responded..."

I lost count of how many times he said that today.

Posted by: Miss'80s at December 08, 2011 01:39 PM (d6QMz)

14 4 I don't know what Issa's problem is. Holder said he has someone looking into it.... That's good enough for me... /sarc

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at December 08, 2011 05:35 PM (X4EXc)

---

There, fixed that for ya

Posted by: Racist, Right-Wing Terrorist in Midwest...Or Tea Party Member for Short at December 08, 2011 01:40 PM (YUwuZ)

15 Total number of emails to or from Holder produced to Congress: ZERO. Can someone confirm I heard that correctly?

Posted by: USA at December 08, 2011 05:38 PM (6Cjut)

Holder has turned over emails just nonre of his own.

Posted by: William Amos at December 08, 2011 01:40 PM (NTnm3)

16 McCarthy was right and the left still hates him for it to this day.

Posted by: booger at December 08, 2011 01:41 PM (EjNp5)

17 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 08, 2011 01:41 PM (8y9MW)

18
They should go with the contempt charge, they are just hoping the R's go for an impeachment of Holder so they can play the Clinton "how terrible these people are wasting time" card.

On the other hand, people will continue to die for years to come because of these bastards, so if it has to be impeachment they should go for it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 08, 2011 01:42 PM (JYheX)

19 13, I like how they try to equate Wide Receiver and Fast & Furious as if one just continued into the other.

There was a A GAP OF TIME. Wide Receiver ended and then Fast & Furious cranked up in 2009.

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 01:42 PM (KC2BE)

20 14 4 I don't know what Issa's problem is. Holder said he has someone looking into it.... That's good enough for me... /sarc

There, fixed that for ya

Didn't think that was necessary

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at December 08, 2011 01:42 PM (X4EXc)

Scott J at December 08, 2011 05:36 PM

It does a little. Hasn't kept me from stocking up on ammo tho.

Posted by: Julie at December 08, 2011 01:43 PM (O/fK8)

22 Rep. Sandy Adams's exchange with Holder was excellent as well.

Posted by: Miss'80s at December 08, 2011 01:43 PM (d6QMz)

23 From Holder's prepared statement today: Soon after learning about the allegations raised by agents involved in Fast and Furious I took action designed to ensure accountability. In February I asked the departmentÂ’s acting Inspector General to investigate the matter. And in early March I ordered that a directive be sent to law enforcement agents and prosecutors prohibiting such tactics. So he knew at least by February.

Posted by: USA at December 08, 2011 01:44 PM (6Cjut)

24 Look, I can't just drop everything, including this terrorist I'm stabbing in the kidney, every time some Jorge de Chimichanga acts stupidly. I've got Top Men looking into it.

Posted by: Master Chief Brock Obama at December 08, 2011 01:45 PM (vzFJV)

25 Holder has turned over emails just nonre of his own. LOL, That is a BIG "just."

Posted by: USA at December 08, 2011 01:45 PM (6Cjut)

Man, I am worn out! What a week I've had!

You think you're worn out? Eric the Holder didn't even use lube!

Posted by: The Chicken at December 08, 2011 01:46 PM (d0Tfm)

27 21, makes me stock up twice as fast.

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 01:46 PM (KC2BE)

28 Holder's little smirk and eyeroll just oozed professionalism and respect for the committee.

Posted by: Heorot at December 08, 2011 01:46 PM (Nq/UF)

29 Holder IS IN CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS, they just need to gather enough balls together in one place to act on it. Also in violation of Federal and International law. Probably Geneva convention or Hague accords as well.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2011 01:46 PM (bxiXv)

30 Scooter Libby is somewhere knocking back a stiff one and cursing, I went to jail for jack squat nothing and this guy is gonna walk scott free and probably get mad speaking gigs!!

Fuckers!!

Posted by: McLovin at December 08, 2011 01:47 PM (j0IcY)

31 Vast right wing conspiracy!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton, err Eric Holder, err Barack Obama at December 08, 2011 01:47 PM (ycuSb)

32 "Eric Holder's Expertise: Clinton defender and Marc Rich pardon-procurer Holder explains that you can speak falsehoods like crazy as long as no one can prove you have the required mental state of intent to lie." To be fair, a lie does depend on the person knowing the truth and choosing to tell something else. If someone tells me something that is false, and I repeat it, thinking it is true, am I lying? For example, suppose Herman Cain told me that he wasn't aware of any settlement, and I take him at his word and defend him on a blog (just throwing a name out there) 'Hot Gas.' Then later, old Herman , he says 'well I was aware of ONE settlement'. Was I lying? Holder's problem is that he said he heard about OF&F a few weeks prior to his first testimony (which would have made it April, but it turns out it was March). Ok, so he was off by a few weeks - that DOES happen. Except, it turns out, that he received memos about it almost a YEAR before his testimony. That's where the lie comes in. But it's not a lie, he says, my staff sucks and didn't tell me. Doesn't matter chump. Scooter Libby wasn't given that benefit, nor is any CEO who's company ever gets caught up in wrongdoing. Memos were addressed to you, therefore you were told about it, unless you can prove you didn't actually receive them yourself.

Posted by: blindside at December 08, 2011 01:47 PM (x7g7t)

33 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.He also is a criminal.

Posted by: steevy at December 08, 2011 01:48 PM (7WJOC)

34 23, So he knew at least by February

First hearing in March. He testified he learned of it "a couple of weeks ago".

TODAY testimony rolled his knowledge timeline back to January and when called on it he tried to say that was Wide Receiver. Not sure anyone really made the point it wasn't.

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 01:48 PM (KC2BE)

35 I've been having a GREAT vacation; thanks for asking.

Eric has been doing a superb job getting filled in for me.

Posted by: The chicken at December 08, 2011 01:49 PM (ENKCw)

36 Wake me when a cute white baby disappears!

Posted by: The MSM at December 08, 2011 05:39 PM (Car1w)

due to anti-science neanderthal right-winger's refusal to provide plan B option for eleven-year-old women.

Posted by: Calres Yohannesnn at December 08, 2011 01:49 PM (KOQBP)

37
The only thing that makes sense to me is that Holder is trying to use executive privilege because there are emails to the JEF.

Posted by: sTevo at December 08, 2011 01:50 PM (VMcEw)

38 12 Yawn!

Wake me when a cute white baby coed disappears!

Posted by: The MSM at December 08, 2011 05:39 PM (Car1w)

FIFY.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2011 01:51 PM (DrWcr)

39 Wow....that Holder guy is a real prick.

I hope he burn in hell for this.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 08, 2011 01:52 PM (UK9cE)

40 Sipsey St. speculating that Holder will resign. As soon as tomorrow. Ballsy speculation there, Mike: http://tinyurl.com/6v6nz2q

Wouldn't be surprised, now that Issa dropped the tactical nuke of more emails "turned over last evening" n(meaning that somebody else has rolled -- either Breuer or Weinstein -- that Holder's resignation "for the good of the administration to avoid further distraction will be announced late tomorrow.

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 01:52 PM (KC2BE)

McCarthy was right. That's what the left have been trying to obfuscate for 50 years.

McCarthy was right.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2011 01:53 PM (I2LwF)

42 37, Ding, Ding, Ding

Posted by: Julie at December 08, 2011 01:53 PM (O/fK8)

43 Take all of Holders words and imagine that's a Republican Attorney General saying them...think the MSM would show as much disinterest as they are now?

Posted by: Sgt. York at December 08, 2011 01:53 PM (H3Kr3)

44
This is what total govt. dictatorship looks like. Do whatever the hell you like, with or against the law, and then deny and deceive to the very end. Just before loss of power, get a pardon.

That is how I believe it will go.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 08, 2011 01:54 PM (JYheX)

45 Most popular stories currently on CBSNews.com

Â• 01 Officer killed at Va. Tech; Gunman believed dead
Â• 02 Lindsay Lohan's Playboy cover leaks online
Â• 03 ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make case for gun regulations
Â• 04 "MythBusters" hosts apologize for cannon hit
Â• 05 Cannonball crashes through house in TV show mishap

And note that 4 and 5 are essentially the same story.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at December 08, 2011 01:55 PM (4136b)

46

Wow what a smug prick Holder is. I can't believe the way he treats members of congress. Wow.

Posted by: dan-O at December 08, 2011 01:55 PM (sWycd)

47 Hope Issa is sitting on some juicy info.Maybe the whistle blowers have given him some real ammunition.

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at December 08, 2011 01:56 PM (X4EXc)

48 Can you imagine the damage that would have been done today if the MFM were actually impartial for like 24 hrs?

_{I know, I know, but it would be beautiful to see the shocked looks on the faces of the sheeple that are actually fucking stupid enough to still go there for "news".}

Posted by: ontherocks at December 08, 2011 01:56 PM (HBqDo)

49 47, see my comment @40. Mike V. thinks someone else has rolled.

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 01:56 PM (KC2BE)

50 Yawn! Wake me when a cute white baby coed with big munecas disappears IN ARUBA IN FEBRUARY NANCY GRACE BITCHEZ!1!!!!!!

Posted by: dr kill at December 08, 2011 01:57 PM (le5qc)

51
anything on the lefty cocksucker blogs about this?

democrat crooks and faggots have nothing at all

Posted by: soothsayer at December 08, 2011 01:57 PM (sqkOB)

52 And note that 4 and 5 are essentially the same story.

Interesting. Does that mean that they think MF'ing Corzine is a more damaging story?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at December 08, 2011 01:57 PM (bjRNS)

53 due to anti-science neanderthal right-winger's refusal to provide plan B option for eleven-year-old women.

I was stuck in a departure lounge this afternoon listening to CNN. Their take on the Plan B decision: "Are politics trumping science?"

You see, Science, in its implacable objective logic, says that 11 year-olds should have unfettered access to abortion pills without parental involvement. The implication being that only knuckle-dragging gun-toting cousin-humping Young Earth Creationist religious nuts would oppose that which Science has dictated.

I swear, I wanted to call CNN and ask them exactly when SCIENCE had decided that children should have free access to abortions.

Sorry about the OT rant, but this shit just burns me.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 08, 2011 01:57 PM (QKKT0)

54 Every day the situation in this country becomes more depressing.One of our political parties simply looks the other way on crimes done by it's members.Disgusting.

Posted by: steevy at December 08, 2011 01:58 PM (7WJOC)

55 Affirmative Action's a bitch

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at December 08, 2011 01:58 PM (UXnnD)

56 If someone tells me something that is false, and I repeat it, thinking it is true, am I lying?

You would be telling a lie. Yes. If you want to be literal about this.

We are really talking about attempts to deceive. Holder is clearly guilty as sin of that and should be impeached, now.

Posted by: really ... at December 08, 2011 01:58 PM (X3lox)

57 56, careful.

Remember W's 16 words?

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 02:00 PM (KC2BE)

58 And, mindlessly repeating something as true, that one doesn't know to be true, in a court of law, when it turns out to be untrue is clearly "lying" - intention or not in the details. One is responsible for what he says. He takes an oath to declare this. He should not be repeating anything he doesn't know to be true. That's the point of putting him under oath.

Posted by: really ... at December 08, 2011 02:00 PM (X3lox)

59 Holder defends himself by stating he knows all that needs to be known when charged with being incompetent. Contemporaneously, he defends himself by stating he doesn't know anything at all about the bad stuff that happened.

To put it in terms even our Captain America-Obama fanbois would understand, Holder is like Batman's Two-Face.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 08, 2011 02:01 PM (eHIJJ)

Oh well, until the R's grow some nads and put a boot up Holders ass this ain't going no where soon.

Posted by: Gmac at December 08, 2011 02:01 PM (k2Fyd)

61 56, careful.

Remember W's 16 words?

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 06:00 PM (KC2BE)

He said nothing wrong.

Posted by: really ... at December 08, 2011 02:02 PM (X3lox)

62 These guys are real f'n assh*les .... but this won't be the worst of it if congress doesn't do something. SCOAFM and Holder and the rest of them are feeling like there are no consequences. It will only get worse....

Posted by: SoCalMe at December 08, 2011 02:02 PM (s72/N)

63 And they don't call him Eric "the Holder" for nothing. I hurt in places I didn't know I had...

Posted by: The Chicken at December 08, 2011 02:02 PM (d0Tfm)

64 "Well, if you want to have this legal conversation, it all has to do with your state of mind and whether or not you had the requisite intent to come up with something that would be considered perjury or a lie"

One of the many many things that makes me furious about all of this is that mens rea has been eliminated out of a ton of federal felonies. Now the head of DOJ is up there nattering on and on about how important it is. stompystompystompy

I think I shall have to decamp to make my weekly offering to the Target gods earlier in order to soothe the savage breast.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 08, 2011 02:02 PM (Gk3SS)

65 You would be telling a lie. Yes. If you want to be literal about this.

We are really talking about attempts to deceive. Holder is clearly guilty as sin of that and should be impeached, now.

Posted by: really ... at December 08, 2011 05:58 PM (X3lox)

Should you choose to regurgitate information, it is your responsibility to research and verify the information is valid. Unless, of course, you work for the MBM and/or qualify it with "That's what I heard, anyway."

Posted by: © Sponge at December 08, 2011 02:03 PM (UK9cE)

66 Wake me when a cute white baby coed disappears!

Posted by: The MSM at December 08, 2011 05:39 PM (Car1w)

WHITE GIRL DOWN

Posted by: Nancy Grace at December 08, 2011 02:03 PM (8sCoq)

67 The left's definition of a man made disaster- islamic terrorism. The right's definition of a man made disaster- the current administration.

Posted by: billdo at December 08, 2011 02:03 PM (5IyjY)

>>McCarthy was right.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2011 05:53 PM (I2LwF)

And revisionist history has it that Murrow (who had numerous commie associates) was America's savior while Tail Gunner Joe was Lucifer's proxy.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 08, 2011 02:03 PM (HBqDo)

69 61, I agree. But the "repeating a lie IS a lie" is how the leftards wound up with "Bush lied people died".

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 02:03 PM (KC2BE)

70 I swear, I wanted to call CNN and ask them exactly when SCIENCE had decided that children should have free access to abortions. Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 08, 2011 05:57 PM (QKKT0) To a liberal, "science" is what liberals believe. So is "justice." And "fairness," "right," etc. Your reason is the exact *reverse* of their reason, you're trying to reason from *facts* to *principles*, they derive their "facts" *from* their principles. And it is *so* important that they do so that they will knowingly lie (climategates 1 and 2, election fraud, F&F ad nauseum) and then claim to have told the truth in the face of documentation of their lies. They will bandy about causes, mental states, and the definition of "is," but it's all just a lot of dithering to try to cover up LIES.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2011 02:03 PM (bxiXv)

71 The Republicans have no balls and will fold soon.

Posted by: Nickie Goomba at December 08, 2011 02:05 PM (jeLTI)

72 Take all the rope in Texas and hang from a big oak tree.

Posted by: Snafu at December 08, 2011 02:05 PM (0pUrW)

73 Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at December 08, 2011 05:55 PM (4136b)

It's trending ninth at Fox News, just under "Muslim Cleric's Warning: Cucumbers Too Sexy for Women"

Posted by: Calres Yohannesnn at December 08, 2011 02:06 PM (KOQBP)

74 I think it was yesterday a NY Dem Rep said that she hadn't even heard of F&F, and anyway the Republicans were just going after Holder because of politics. If she hadn't heard of it, how did she know about the R's going after Holder and what their supposed reason was? Because she was lying, on both counts in this case. Lying's as easy as breathing when you're a liberal. Seriously, they lie about *everything* because their utopian ideals are more important than what actually happens.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2011 02:06 PM (bxiXv)

75 Seriously, they lie about *everything* because their utopian ideals are more important than what actually happens.

Taqiyya?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at December 08, 2011 02:07 PM (bjRNS)

76 Lying's as easy as breathing when you're a liberal.

Seriously, they lie about *everything* because their utopian ideals are more important than what actually happens.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2011 06:06 PM (bxiXv)

Because in the liberal world, actions have no consequences.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 08, 2011 02:07 PM (UK9cE)

77 61, I agree. But the "repeating a lie IS a lie" is how the leftards wound up with "Bush lied people died".

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 06:03 PM (KC2BE)

But the left are retards. They say lots of stupid shit.

You can't worry about winning logical arguments with the left. They don't have logical debates. They just shit on the table and run off. Literally.

Posted by: really ... at December 08, 2011 02:08 PM (X3lox)

78 Taqiyya? Posted by: Meiczyslaw at December 08, 2011 06:07 PM (bjRNS) Different utopia, same principle.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2011 02:09 PM (bxiXv)

79 You can't worry about winning logical arguments with the left. They don't have logical debates. They just shit on the table and run off. Literally

Pretty apt description of what Holder did today.

Posted by: Scott J at December 08, 2011 02:10 PM (KC2BE)

80 All of current American culture is a bad reality show. Issues run a bad third to feelings and drama. Fucking drama. How does it work?

Posted by: dr kill at December 08, 2011 02:10 PM (le5qc)

81 Can we win against these people and their allies?

Posted by: steevy at December 08, 2011 02:10 PM (7WJOC)

82
Holder speak with forked tongue.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2011 02:10 PM (QMtmy)

83 I can't believe after the testimony given today that some of you are just now getting around to "Eric Holder should step down". Stepping down ISN'T ENOUGH. There were crimes committed here and the investigation should lead to individuals that pay for those crimes. At the VERY LEAST Holder has deliberately misled congress in their investigation and it's his job to provide that information. Step down? Only if the rope has been secured around his neck first!

Posted by: Mr. Obvious at December 08, 2011 02:11 PM (2uovW)

84 81 Can we win against these people and their allies? Posted by: steevy at December 08, 2011 06:10 PM (7WJOC) Answer hazy, elect a new President and try again later.

Posted by: Magic Eight Ball at December 08, 2011 02:11 PM (bxiXv)

85
Nature has left this tincture in the blood,
That all Men would be TYRANTS, if they cou'd --
If they forbear their Neighbors to devour,
'Tis not for want of WILL, but want of POWER.

-Daniel Defoe

Posted by: soothsayer at December 08, 2011 02:11 PM (sqkOB)

86 Different utopia, same principle.

Marching towards utopia seems to include many of the same routes, independent of the utopia.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at December 08, 2011 02:12 PM (bjRNS)

87 Substitute the name Alberto Gonzalez for Eric Holder and remember the treatment he got from the media.Front page for weeks...

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at December 08, 2011 02:12 PM (X4EXc)

Â“I have no intention of resigning,Â” Holder said in response to a question from Arizona Republican Rep. Ben Quayle. Â“IÂ’m the attorney general who put an end to the tactics of Fast and Furious.Â”

Holder said he doesnÂ’t think anyone else from the Justice Department or the Obama administration should resign either. Â“On the basis of the information that I now have, no,Â” Holder said in response to question from the committeeÂ’s chairman, Texas Republican Rep. Lamar Smith.

Posted by: Miss'80s at December 08, 2011 02:12 PM (d6QMz)

89 This reality show sucks, let's put on "New Jersey Housewives"

Posted by: Libtard Viewer at December 08, 2011 02:12 PM (GaIwz)

90 So who has Holder retained for legal representation?

Malik Zulu Shabazz?

Posted by: Fritz at December 08, 2011 02:13 PM (FabC8)

91 >>Seriously, they lie about *everything* because their utopian ideals are more important than what actually happens.

Taqiyya?

Postmodernism where there is no objective truth, and The Ends Justify The Means, where the commies hope to eventually live.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 08, 2011 02:14 PM (HBqDo)

92 I don't even know *for sure* that Holder was *behind* the plan in the first place, but the number of glaring lies he's telling, his defiance of Congress, and otherwise the extent to which he is going to *cover it up* tells me he *approves* of it. "The Plan" being deliberately allowing smugglers to deliver weapons to narco-terrorists when the option to stop the flow is available and, if anything, simpler.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2011 02:14 PM (bxiXv)

93 87 Substitute the name Alberto Gonzalez for Eric Holder and remember the treatment he got from the media.Front page for weeks... Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at December 08, 2011 06:12 PM (X4EXc) Over replacing political appointees who have *always* served at the pleasure of the executive, i.e. FOR NOTHING.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2011 02:15 PM (bxiXv)

94 Postmodernism where there is no objective truth, and The Ends Justify The Means, where the commies hope to eventually live. Posted by: ontherocks at December 08, 2011 06:14 PM (HBqDo) The clamate scare team has a new phrase for that, "Post-Normal Science." Look it up, I thought it was a joke when I first read about it, but it's real. It's basically MarxAlinsky science.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2011 02:16 PM (bxiXv)

95 I think I shall have to decamp to make my weekly offering to the Target gods earlier in order to soothe the savage breast. With a nice nipple!1!!1!! FIFY

Posted by: Pooter Hound at December 08, 2011 02:18 PM (le5qc)

96 I didn't know this: Capitalism is a term coined by Karm Marx to describe the negatives of the free market.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2011 02:20 PM (I2LwF)

97
These criminals aspire to Stalinistic heights.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 08, 2011 02:20 PM (JYheX)

98 >>The clamate scare team.

Reminds me of a couple of chicks that I "knew" in college. Almost made me quit drinking.

_...almost

Posted by: ontherocks at December 08, 2011 02:21 PM (HBqDo)

99
Is that like climate reparations?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2011 02:22 PM (QMtmy)

100 Reminds me of the time Frank "Frankie Five Angels" Pentangeli appeared before the committee... "eh, Michael Corleone said this, and Michael Corleone said that, and I said, yeah, sure, whatever."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 08, 2011 02:23 PM (UlUS4)

101

I didn't know this: Capitalism is a term coined by Karm Marx to describe the negatives of the free market.

Little did that ignorant shitstain realize how much that system he despised would elevate the lot of mankind in the century to follow.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, working towards full Curmudgeonhood at December 08, 2011 02:23 PM (d0Tfm)

102 "eh, Michael Corleone said this, and Michael Corleone said that, and I said, yeah, sure, whatever." Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 08, 2011 06:23 PM (UlUS4) Yeah but old Frank Pentangeli still ended up bleeding to death in a warm bath tub, but his family was taken care of.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2011 02:25 PM (eCnLg)

103

Lord, please bless Darryl Issa and the rest of the Pubbies on this committee with a spine.

_{My prayer tonight...}

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, working towards full Curmudgeonhood at December 08, 2011 02:26 PM (d0Tfm)

104

Little did that ignorant shitstain real&^^#@@@(*#&@&ize how much that system he despised would eleva**@)((##(#(te the lot of mankind in the centu&$*@@)_@ry to follow.

Sorry, didn't get that over the my screaming while being raped by the barbed cock of Satan..

Posted by: Zombie Karl Marx at December 08, 2011 02:26 PM (GaIwz)

105 Was there no post on Obama refusing to retrieve / destroy our stealth drone?

Rumor has it it was because he's a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

Although, some say, it's because he's a muslim loving pussy.

Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2011 02:31 PM (p/j8z)

106 Look it up, I thought it was a joke when I first read about it, but it's real. It's basically MarxAlinsky science.

Actually, its an old idea. The idea that science should serve the interests of politics was pioneered by Trofim Lysenko, who nearly single-handedly destroyed Russian agriculture through application of his crackpot (but Stalin-approved) theories.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 08, 2011 02:31 PM (QKKT0)

107 Yeah but old Frank Pentangeli still ended up bleeding to death in a warm bath tub, but his family was taken care of.

That was a good break. A nice deal.

Posted by: Tom Hagen at December 08, 2011 02:33 PM (QKKT0)

108 Was there no post on Obama refusing to retrieve / destroy our stealth drone? Rumor has it it was because he's a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure. Although, some say, it's because he's a muslim loving pussy. Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2011 06:31 PM (p/j8z) Yes he was worried that the Iranians might take the USA recovering a few million dollars of State Property the wrong way. And unless I am mistaken, I have not heard that we have asked for it back either. I know that's a mute point, but still technically important

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2011 02:34 PM (eCnLg)

109 Yes he was worried that the Iranians might take the USA recovering a few million dollars of State Property the wrong way.

Why didn't we just vaporize it?

Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2011 02:35 PM (p/j8z)

110 Am I the first to point out the irony of Eric Holder implying that someone is shameless?

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2011 02:37 PM (O6q63)

111 Yes he was worried that the Iranians might take the USA recovering a few million dollars of State Property the wrong way. Why didn't we just vaporize it? Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2011 06:35 PM (p/j8z) Because he was afraid that Iranians might take that as an indication that we don't really really like them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 08, 2011 02:38 PM (eCnLg)

112 I'm still pissed that Holder went unchallenged when he referenced "my people" in previous congressional testimony. Not A SINGLE Republican with the balls to say to Holder: "Mr. Attorney General, in your present office, with your duties and responsibilities as the top law enforcement official in the land, YOUR PEOPLE are the AMERICAN people!" But no, Holder was given a total pass on his comment. This is a guy whose FIRST official public pronouncement as AG was to call America a "nation of cowards" when it comes to race. This man is consumed by race and should never have been confirmed as Attorney General.

Posted by: Lojack at December 08, 2011 02:38 PM (ucERL)

113 Thanks for tomorrow's show content Holder!

Posted by: Rush at December 08, 2011 02:39 PM (/3KtX)

114 Adams Grills Holder Over Fast and Furious Operation

Posted by: Miss'80s at December 08, 2011 02:39 PM (d6QMz)

115 Listening to CBS Nightly News from the other room. No mention of F&F yet.

Posted by: toby928© at December 08, 2011 02:39 PM (GTbGH)

116 Am I the first to point out the irony of Eric Holder implying that someone is shameless?

That guy has a weak chin.

Posted by: a meerkat at December 08, 2011 02:39 PM (p/j8z)

117 Actually, its an old idea. The idea that science should serve the interests of politics was pioneered by Trofim Lysenko, who nearly single-handedly destroyed Russian agriculture through application of his crackpot (but Stalin-approved) theories.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 08, 2011 06:31 PM (QKKT0)

Unbelievable. To what depth does the leftard sink?

There's no common sense or practicality in anything they promote. It's almost as if they want to kill off the human race.

And yes, I know there are groups who actually espouse that but really?

I hate to go all Glenn Beck but something's coming down the line and it's coming right quick.

Posted by: ErikW at December 08, 2011 02:39 PM (QzBOX)

118 BTW the hearing is not mentioned on MSNBC and on CNN it's "GOP Threatens Holder."

Yikes.

Posted by: PJ at December 08, 2011 02:39 PM (DQHjw)

119 >>Am I the first to point out the irony of Eric Holder implying that someone is shameless?
_{In Leftist circles that's high praise and a tip of the beret.}

Posted by: ontherocks at December 08, 2011 02:40 PM (HBqDo)

120 AB The Hill on the Fox panel has some scary freaking eye make up on.
_{..... where's my crucifix, or even some garlic when I really need it?}

Posted by: ontherocks at December 08, 2011 02:44 PM (HBqDo)

121 Boggle?!

Posted by: Hank of the Hill at December 08, 2011 02:44 PM (Ixum5)

122

Am I the first to point out the irony of Eric Holder implying that someone is shameless?

Directly? Um, yeah. But we've known it for a while. And the Head Ewok's been implying the hell out of it all afternoon.

I do want Holder and anyone else who knew about this to be punished to the full extent of the law, and made examples of to deter anyone else who thinks they're above the law. Holders arrogance should be his downfall.

Hey, that'd make another right dandy prayer...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, working towards full Curmudgeonhood at December 08, 2011 02:44 PM (d0Tfm)

123 I am also sick and tired of Republicans shrugging their shoulders and rubber stamping disastrous Democratic cabinet officers during confirmations while saying, "Well, gee, the President has the right to pick his cabinet." No consideration is given by these sack-less wonders to the fact that WE THE PEOPLE suffer under a fool like Holder. Justice in this country is being perverted by a racially-hyper, angry black man who Republicans helped CONFIRM as the top cop in the land. What a disgrace.

Posted by: Lojack at December 08, 2011 02:45 PM (ucERL)

124 "Post-Normal Science."

I'm now running the Treasury with "Post-Normal Finance".

Posted by: Turbo Tax Timmah at December 08, 2011 02:47 PM (HtUdo)

125 Still de nada. I thought CBS was on the F&F story.

Posted by: toby928© at December 08, 2011 02:50 PM (GTbGH)

126

I hate to go all Glenn Beck but something's coming down the line and it's coming right quick.

You ain't the only Moron with that view. Those of us of a certain age see things we've never, ever seen before.

Big things.

Disconcerting things.

Beck could be the modern version of an old-timey prophet. (Definition: One who speaks out, not necessarily one who can see the future. YMMV)

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, working towards full Curmudgeonhood at December 08, 2011 02:51 PM (d0Tfm)

127 125 Still de nada. I thought CBS was on the F&F story. Posted by: toby928Â© at December 08, 2011 06:50 PM (GTbGH) *Sharryl Atkisson* is on the story, the rest of CBS: not so much.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 08, 2011 02:53 PM (bxiXv)

128

Impeachment? The GOP going on a witch hunt after a black man? Yeah, the media won't have a total field day with that one.

Holder should be impeached (Hell, he should be extradited), but as a practical matter, that's a gift for the Dems.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 08, 2011 02:55 PM (jAqTK)

129 hate to go all Glenn Beck but something's coming down the line and it's coming right quick.

You ain't the only Moron with that view. Those of us of a certain age see things we've never, ever seen before.

Big things.

Disconcerting things.

Beck could be the modern version of an old-timey prophet. (Definition: One who speaks out, not necessarily one who can see the future. YMMV)

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, working towards full Curmudgeonhood at December 08, 2011 06:51 PM (d0Tfm)

buy more .223 and 9mm you might need it someday

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 08, 2011 02:56 PM (nTgAI)

130 And nothing. It's like the Holder hearing never happened. A US Attorney General threatened with impeachment and imprisonment? Not news apparently.

Posted by: toby928© at December 08, 2011 02:59 PM (GTbGH)

131

I submit, they really do not care....

The ONLY way Congress could make the DOJ do anything, is with the power of the Purse... somthing they will never do to Justice.

This Administration does not care... they are Imperial in their power with no real oversite, or check, left.

They started a F'n WAR, and toppled a UN member nations Government... without anything from Congress.

They ASSANINATED an American Citizen, who was NOT under arms, with no due process...

They are in Contempt over Drilling in the Gulf.

They EPA is bypassing Congress... and its laws.

Because the Idea has somehow gotten into Justice, that they can use Prosecutorial Discretion to decide WHICH laws to Enforce... (like Immigration laws, or gun laws).

Once Obama was given a Pass by the Supreme Court on the question of can a Dual Citizen be a Natural Born Citizen...

And once they got away with all the election Contribution Fraud...

They knew there was no real check on their power...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 08, 2011 03:02 PM (NtXW4)

132 OK, birches its on for Jan 25th.

Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2011 03:25 PM (6ziMD)

133 Not a single word about FnF on ABC World News, but 2 mins on fugly Xmas sweaters.

Posted by: RobertM at December 08, 2011 03:34 PM (061WW)

134

@128

Well then the Republicans need to be the gift that keeps on giving.

It's irrelevant at this point whether Holder resigns.

First, he needs be removed.

Second, he needs to be prosecuted.

I want to see this clueless prick in prison.

Posted by: Dave at December 08, 2011 04:14 PM (HPcQF)

135 Romeo13: That citizen had publicly joined Al Quaida.

If some American had joined the Waffen SS during WWII, even as a propaganda person, he would have been shot on sight, armed or not.

If you don't want to be shot or blown up by the US military, don't join an enemy army.

Tokyo Rose did the same damned thing ... and she would have had a 2000 lb GP bomb dropped on her ass if her position could have been determined.

Posted by: Kristopher at December 08, 2011 05:17 PM (Z3y1K)

136 That Holder fellow is kind of cute. Some big Aryan Brutha chief is gonna have to pay a couple hundred packs of Kools to buy him offa his first boyfriend.

Posted by: I am the walrus, goo-goo-ga-joo at December 08, 2011 05:26 PM (ndp2I)

137
Wow i really found this to be an interesting read; thanks for sharing

Posted by: Tiny Buddha ePub at December 08, 2011 06:29 PM (NnwTo)

138 Right now the highest ranking person at DOJ who conclusively knew about F&F is Assistant Attorney General Grindler who has admitted to being given a briefing on F&F on March 12, 2010. There is no one at DOJ between Grindler and Holder.

Either Grindler is responsible for F&F or Holder is. There simply are no other choices. Grindler met with Obama 4 times around this time frame.

Posted by: An Observation at December 08, 2011 08:44 PM (ylhEn)

139 Holder: "We will respond in a way that is consistent with the way in which the Justice Department has always responded..."

I lost count of how many times he said that today.

Posted by: Miss'80s at December 08, 2011 05:39 PM (d6QMz)

For those old enough to remember Mr. Holder is in fact speaking the truth; his responses are virtually identical to Attorney General Mitchel's responses to Congress during Watergate.

Posted by: An Observation at December 08, 2011 08:54 PM (ylhEn)

140 There's no common sense or practicality in anything they promote. It's almost as if they want to kill off the human race.

No, they don't want to kill off the human race; they want the human race to kill itself off. Subtle distinction, but the left is all about nuance.

Posted by: An Observation at December 08, 2011 09:14 PM (ylhEn)

141 What I don't get is why the Mexicans aren't shrieking bloody murder over this: 300 of their citizens dead, and barely a peep.

Or perhaps they are, and it's just not getting through the media fog machine.

Posted by: Brown Line at December 08, 2011 11:15 PM (/Iva1)

142 Lets not beat around the bush. This All about guns. Everything these scumbags do revolves ultimately about guns. It is guns that give these pieces of shit their power. It is guns that they fear. It is guns that they must if they are to take over my country have in order to rule with an iron fist. It is guns that they must take from the populous in order obtain that absolute power. It is guns they understand like none other are the real power behind anything. It is guns this system of government now lives by. It is guns that they use to enforce everything.
And it is guns in the hands of We The People that they fear most.
Any thing else is a cheap side show.

Posted by: Mt Top Patriot at December 09, 2011 06:42 AM (FYUWS)

143

The Democratic Party has been at war with the United States since 1860. Where have you folks been? President Andrew Johnson was a southern Democrat who hated blacks with a purple passion. His Presidency set the country back 100 years. Read the real reasons President Johnson was impeached and not the crap you teachers told you.

Posted by: burt at December 09, 2011 08:30 AM (OzqQM)

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