May 09, 2011
— Ace I went in with low expectations, partly because of the critics' savaging (even though I know not to trust them, you can't help incorporate spin if you hear it enough) but mostly because I read the book, and knew, to make a good movie out of it, you'd have to change a lot. And I feared that they wouldn't.
That said, I was pretty nicely surprised. It's good. Not great. But still -- good. It's actually more subtle than I was expecting; maybe too subtle in one key area (more on this later, as it truly is key). Rand's book had the subtlety of a cast-iron lightning bolt, so any screen treatment might be expected to be much less didactic than her novel; but they seemed to have gone even further in toning down the heavy didacticism. Oh, it pops up here and there, but it's not really objectionable.
In fact, to tell the truth, I could have endured a little more of the statement of principle stuff. Because with so much of that stripped away-- why are the heroes acting as they do?
Two and a half stars good (which is my way of saying "Good enough to see, but not outstanding;" outstanding is three stars and superlative is four).
There are amateur mistakes, chiefly in the writing. The writing -- I'm not talking about dialogue, although there are some lapses there. I mean something important (and no, dialogue isn't terribly important). I mean major decisions about what emotion you're trying to convey in a scene and in the overall movie.
My overall guess is this: The producer, or the director, or both, decided that they had to be very faithful to Rand's book. So even in cases where her book was flawed in its under-dramatization (too much thinky-talking, not enough dramatic confrontations and emotion), they followed her down that path, deciding that fidelity to the source material was of primary importance, and dramatic movie-making only second.
In just about every criticism I have of the movie, I suspect that's the culprit. I do not remember much of the book, so I can't be certain of this, but some things that would strike any dramatist as obvious and needed aren't here, and the only explanation I can think of is "It's not here because it wasn't in the book."
That said, that just means it's not as good as it could have been. I still think it's good -- two and a half star good; a sort of minimally good-enough-to-see -- but the material is actually sort of good for a movie. I just wish they'd kept this in mind: That they're making a movie.
But overall-- actually, I thought it was pretty good. I was a little aware of the low budget but chiefly because I mostly thought "This doesn't look all that terribly low-budget at all." They did a good job with the look. When Rand wrote it, it was sci-fi, but from the POV of the fifties. Here, it's sci-fi, barely -- just 2016 -- but it neatly has a sort of 50s-ish tone to it in little ways. Like one character's clearly-throwback 50s eyeglasses. It adroitly mixes the book's time period with the film's, to make something better than a mere compromise.
This review is going to be heavy on criticism rather than praise, because, as with The Green Hornet, there's actually a better movie here, almost but not quite here, undermined by a series of unforced errors.
In this review I'm going to rely on memory of Ayn Rand's book and also Ayn Rand's psychology. My memory in a few cases may be shaky, and if so, let me know. So take my assertions as "This is how I remember it or how I learned it, but I could be wrong, and will correct upon notice of such."
If there's any chance of all that you don't know, Atlas Shrugged is a near-term sci-fi fantasy thriller about an increasingly collectivist and freedom-destroying dystopia, and, crucially, the fight back against it.
Now, many writers have addressed the idea of an increasingly socialistic/forcible-egalitarian society, crushing individual spirits and zeroing out individual achievement. Even cranky old lefty fossil Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. would try this later in 1961; and of course Orwell had tackled it, more or less, in Animal Farm and 1984. (Orwell's focus was a bit different in both, but this stuff was in the mix, at least.)
What made Ayn Rand's book different from these is that it's a heroic narrative. It's one thing to set up a dystopian nightmare and just have the main character be tortured to death and escape only via insanity/dislocation of mind from reality, as at the end of 1984. (Sorry, Spoilers!) Or to have the hero rebel, briefly, against the totalitarianism of egalitarianism only to be gunned down dead after his futile, and quickly forgotten, gesture, as in Harrison Bergeron. (Sorry, again, Spoilers!)
This is realistic, but it is also too easy, in a way. Man goes up against crushing force and is, precisely as expected, crushed.
Ayn Rand decided she wouldn't go for the standard chilling/downer ending that most dystopian fictions favor, but would add a heroic element: The forces of freedom and achievement fighting back, and not just in futile gestures or escapes into fantasy, but fighting back effectively and, ultimately... well, I won't say if their efforts are triumphant or not. But I'll say that at least in Atlas Shrugged, they seem to have a plan with at least a plausible chance of doing more than making a futile gesture of defiance before being executed. Whether it works or not, it's implicit in the book it could work. They do have a fighting chance, at least, unlike poor Winston Smith.
First up, the casting is very good. Before talking about that I want to note Ayn Rand's psychology. She grew up reading a lot of paperback heroic fiction -- what most people would call either hack fiction, or pulp. If I'm remembering correctly, she was a great fan of pulp detective writer Mickey Spillaine and his hardnosed shamus Mike Hammer.
The point is, she rejected what she saw as the trend in more modern, "good" fiction to strip out the heroic traits of characters, replacing those heroic traits with deep psychological flaws and weaknesses. Stuff like Death of a Salesman -- if I'm remembering right, she found that trend to be part of the "collectivist" mentality of the arts, the celebration not of the heroes she loved so dearly from her youth (and continuing into adulthood), but of a weak, debased version of man. She found that to be antithetical to the sort of celebration of the Greek/Nietschean ideal she could see, for example, in Mike Hammer's flint and grit.
Now, she dressed that up in as a sort of philosophical stance against the celebration of the common and mediocre. To be honest, I think she just really liked heroic fiction because it imprinted on her at an early and impressionable age. (No knock on that preference intended; I love that stuff myself, witness me reviewing every B-grade comic book movie. But then, I think I like that stuff due to a bit of arrested development, not some high-minded reaching for the Ancient Greek Heroic tradition).
Given that background, the choice of the leads for this movie are perfect.
The guy who plays Henry Rearden is especially good, in looks and manner as well as acting ability, and, further, because if Ayn Rand were currently alive and casting this movie this is exactly the man she would have cast. He's got the heroic look, but the sort of Gary Cooper heroic look of wisdom, patience, and father-figure charisma; I can't help but think that's exactly the sort of matured masculine ideal Rand had been imagining since she was a little girl.
Dagny Taggert is a harder role to cast. Most actresses are not, physically, well-suited to play roles that emphasize a more masculine type of heroism. By which I mean most known, working actresses are of a physical look that suggests the feminine virtues, and less that suggest the masculine ones.
Dagny Taggert is definitely a Man's Woman. But she's also, in accord with the heroic ideal, drop-dead gorgeous. Angelina Jolie would probably be one of the few actresses that had this combination working for them (which may explain why she was so determined to play Dagny Taggert).
But among the fairly short list of other women who could do it -- the actress they picked is perfect. Again, I think Rand would approve. She's physically beautiful but, at the same time, somewhat hard in her beauty, a little fiery, a little possessed of masculine swagger.
She falls down in acting about three or four times in the movie, though. I'll just note one moment: Her sleazy player of a brother accuses her of having no feelings, and of "Having never felt anything at all." She answers, "Yes, I've never felt anything at all," but the line is supposed to have the subtext beneath it, "I have more passion in me than you will ever know, and go f*** yourself with a grenade besides." She does add that... sort of, but that subtext doesn't crackle at all. It's a zinger that fails to zing.
That's actually a complaint about most of the acting. Good, layered, nuanced acting often has that counterpoint between what the character is saying and what he is trying to project he's feeling versus what the character really thinks and is really feeling.
As a general matter, no character in the movie ever really has that. Pretty much it's all the surface perfectly matching the interior. This is probably due to the source material itself. Rand was bewitched with the idea that "A is A," and didn't go in for all this subtext and conflicted emotion; she tended to write "characters" who were essentially just walking crystallizations of her philosophy (or foils for same). Unlike real life people, Rand's characters usually Are Who They Say They Are, and don't counterfeit their emotions. That would be philosophically impure or something.
Nevertheless, given that this is movie with a commercial payoff in mind, a bit of that layering of performance, even if in disagreement with the literal intent of the book, would have been helpful. It just makes characters in a movie seem more like real people. 90% of scenes would play the same way (you don't need much of this at all in a plot-driven thriller), but slipping in a little of it where it could be slipped in would make it seem more real.
But the main problem with both lead (I don't say "main;" more on that later) characters isn't about performance, or nuanced layers. It's about a simple lack of clear motivation.
Let me quote Harry S. Plinkett on this point: "And don't tell me it was explained in one of them there Star Wars novels; it should be there in the movie! It's the movie that matters!"
I forget the precise motivations of Dagny and Rearden in the book. It is my guess that neither had what we'd call a conventional motivation, some unfulfilled need, some innate drive, some psychological impulse for their actions. I am guessing that, because Rand's characters, as is often remarked, were less characters than walking billboards for Objectivism.
They didn't have psychological drives per se: They had philosophies.
And they didn't have psychological failings per se: They had errors in philosophy.
That's all well and good for the book. I can't argue with its sales figures.
But this is a movie. And furthermore, because the director and writers wisely (I think) chose to expurgate a lot of the repetitive recapitulation of the main tenets of Objectivism from the film, this leaves both characters in need of some motivation to replace that philosophical motivation.
In the book, they were animated by philosophical principle, principles which were stated, restated, argued and reargued dozens of times, and that's just by the midpoint of the book. Here, that's almost all missing.
So why do they act as they do, in the movie?
They smartly delete all that philosophical nattering and bothering, but they don't offer up a replacement for it. The audience is assumed to know the books, I guess, and add motivation in their own minds; but what if you haven't read the books? Or like me, read them long ago and forgot most of them?
Or, like Harry S. Plinkett, don't care if it was in no stupid Star Wars book; it's the movie that matters?
Dagny was the more philosophically pure of the two, if memory serves. Rearden, on the other hand, was conflicted, and in error philosophically; for example, he still felt the typical duty to provide for his family members who couldn't provide for themselves (despite treating him awfully for being a productive member of society). It is Rearden who is the Learner in the book, and Dagny (often) the Teacher, the Lecturer, the Professor of Objectivism, picking apart Rearden's defects of philosophy and instructing him in the One True Way of Self-Fulfillment.
In this respect, Dagny, in the book, was just a Mary Sue for Ayn Rand. But then, so were most of her heroes.
So sure, lose that omnipresent philosophizing as a character motivation. But then something needs to be conjured up here, some psychological drive that is congruent with and consistent with Objectivist precepts, but not the Objectivist precept itself.
Get me? If Objectivism is not her motivation (and it should not be), it needs to be replaced with some other drive. We know Dagny's virtues -- unflinching, determined, ambitious, smart -- but not what propels her to use them as she uses them, to choose one character as Friend and Ally and another as Opponent.
In the book, Dagny is these things because she's committed to Ayn Rand's Theories of Objectivism, absent here (except by implication or brief shorthand reference).
But in the movie, why is she these things? Am I supposed to just add back in all that philosophical claptrap the filmmakers have so deftly deleted for me?
Ayn Rand, I think, would reject what I'm about to propose, because for her, the point was that Dagny was this way precisely due to philosophy, and not due to any other reason, psychological or pragmatic. And you could be like Dagny -- in fact, you would be like Dagny -- if you just chose to abide by her philosophy.
So what I'm about to propose would be contrary to the spirit of the book. I admit that. But I think it would have been a good idea anyway. Even if hackneyed as all hell. And I do admit, this is hackneyed as all hell.
Let the hackneyedness commence:
Yes, I think the movie should have resorted to Dagny visiting the grave of her father (mentioned in the movie, as he built up the company, but is apparently dead now) and then reflecting on her father's commitment to principled excellence.
And yes, as a matter of fact, it is raining and she does carry a black umbrella when she visits the grave. Why do you ask?
And then she'd recall her father, how he built the company up from nothing, and bullshit-bullshit-button, and throw that in her brother's face when he suggested his various sleazy manners of taking out competitors without actually besting them.
Utterly hackneyed. And utterly contrary to Rand's theory of people only being the sum of their philosophy.
But a clear reason for her behavior. A relatable one. A human one. To honor the ideals of her father.
Yes, a hackneyed motivation. But it's a classic for a reason, as they say.
Something like that. Is that too obvious, too cliched? Okay, fine -- something like that. Something to root her behavior in previous experiences and emotions rather than the (to my mind) abstraction of philosophy.
This would make perfect sense, even in Rand's plotline -- because actually Dagny should not be the perfect crystallization of Objectivism from the outset of the book; she should have to have it explained to her (as she explained it to Rearden).
She is that in the book -- pretty much the Objectivist ideal from the jump -- but she shouldn't be.
To make this character have an "arc" -- a change -- she needs to start in a different place than she ends up.
If she begins as the perfect Objectivist, and then spends the middle of the trilogy being the perfect Objectivist, and the is the perfect Objectivist at the end, too -- then she hasn't changed at all, and is not, by common definition, a main character.
When I read the book, I remember being confused. I was confused because at first I assumed Dagney Taggert was the main character. But then I started to wonder: Maybe she's not the main character. Maybe it's this Rearden fellow she seems so taken with.
And I thought that because Taggert wasn't acting and talking like a main character. A main character is supposed to be a stand-in for the audience. Like Luke in Star Wars. Luke doesn't start the film knowing all about the Force, telling other characters about the Force.
No, Luke doesn't know about the Force, and needs another character, a mentor/exposition-reader to tell him about the Force.
This causes audience identification with Luke, as we are in the same boat as he is, information-wise: We don't know what he doesn't know, and we discover things just as he discovers them. Our journey is Luke's journey, then.
That's what makes him a main character.
But in the book Atlas Shrugged, Dagney Taggert begins spouting off fully-formed Objectivist philosophy from very, very early in the book. Instead of being like Luke -- someone to whom Objectivism is revealed -- she is instead like Obi-Wan, the revealer of mysteries.
But Obi-Wan is not the main character of Star Wars, obviously. His function there is to tutor the main character.
My belief is that Ayn Rand probably knew that, to be a good main character, Dagny Taggert should probably not just start spouting off the mysteries of The Force on page 15, but should have this all explained to her by an Objectivist Obi-Wan a little later.
But I think she grew impatient, and didn't want to wait for that to happen, so she just started having Dagny Taggert spouting all of Obi-Wan's wisdom despite the fact the character was really supposed to be Luke.
So here is my point: Do not follow her in this error. Make her like Luke. Make her not begin the movie -- now I'm talking about the movie -- with a full-fledged commitment to philosophical perfection. Have her learn it, from another. Like John Galt.
Henry Rearden goes through this process in the book; taught along by Dagny (and later the other Rand Mary Sues like Ragnar, D'Anaconia, and John Galt). It is my proposal that both Dagny and Rearden should have learned from the Mary Sues.
Let me address the objection: But that is directly contrary to Ayn Rand's whole idea that it's all about philosophy, not about petty sentimentalism and cheap psychology!
I'd say first that what is central to the story is that both Dagny and Rearden end the book as Objectivists by intellectual, philosophical choice. That is the crucial matter. That's the point of the book, the lesson.
The question of When they make this intellectual choice is simply incidental. So, in the book Dagny's already made it by page 15 and Rearden doesn't make it, halfheartedly, until 255 and then more completely at 380. That's not critical to the story, though. That's just incident. Just details.
Would it really change the story all that much if Dagny commits to Objectivism in Part 2 (when Rearden would be committing to it, if you followed the book) and then Rearden accepts it in full at the end of Part II or the beginning of Part 3?
And until John Galt explains it all to them, and makes his case, would it be so wrong if they had personal/psychological reasons for being inclined towards a non-rigorous, non-systematic sort of pre-Objectivism before then? That is, they were ready for Objectivism, but not yet schooled in it?
Rearden is also assigned a false motivation early. "All I care about is making money," he announces very early in the movie.
But that doesn't seem to be true. Later on, a government flunkie orders/asks him to sign over the rights to an alloy he's discovered -- and I believe the implication is he can ask whatever sum of money he likes. "You could make a fortune," the flunkie says.
Rearden refuses, and when the flunkie says he doesn't understand why Rearden is taking such a hard position on this, Rearden answers, "Because it's Mine. Do you have any idea of the concept of that?"
But -- if Rearden only cares about money, he should agree to the offer. But plainly he doesn't. So what is it? Is it this new concept of the Power of Mine? If so, where did that come from? I'm sure in the book there were at least fifteen philosophical exchanges between Dagny and Rearden that might explain his evolution towards Objectivist Principles, but that's deleted, so why is he offering up a crystallization of the philosophy without our ever seeing a hint of him groping towards that crystallization?
This is where a more flesh-and-blood motivation might have been helpful. We could have seen Rearden himself trying to grope at the answer, not understanding himself why he was refusing, ticking through all the effort and risk and sarring burns from liquid steel that went into his creation, and then, figuring out his own mind, then he could have crystallized his thoughts as, "Because it's Mine." That is, we could have seen him make this realization himself.
Instead, he just tells us the end product of some philosophy he learned on pages 223-228 and 241-247 of the book (unfilmed; look it up at home).
Peter Jackson left out all the Elven poetry from the Lord of the Rings. But that was easy to cut -- it was superfluous to the story. Ayn Rand's philosophy is not superfluous here, and while I agree it needs to be cut and trimmed, it can't be excised completely without leaving a hole. The hole needs to be plugged with something else.
It feels like the filmmakers are too afraid of the fans to add anything that isn't "canon." They feel they can delete, but not add. I guess they think the fans can always add that stuff back in their heads, but they can't subtract new scenes and new dialogue. Deleting stuff just indicates the film is incomplete as compared to the book; adding stuff would make it contradictory as compared to the book.
I believe now that they actually did film something very close to the book, with a lot of the philsophizing in there. This is a guess, and a supposition, but it makes sense, given what's presented here. It is my idea that the filmed all this stuff thinking they would put it out in the "Objective Cut" of the DVD, but left it out of the theatrical release."
That is why I think they decided they could delete, but not add: Because in the "real version" of the movie, the coming "Objective Cut" (my guess for a cute name) DVD, they'll have the philosophy back in there.
Whether that's true or not, the film, as theatrically released, is very very thin on character motivation.
Motivation is important. No critics are mentioning this, because they don't understand how movies work or why. But to have a grip on a character, for the audience to "get" a character, the audience needs some short, direct idea of what the character is about.
Sometimes motivation can be supplied in a subtle, textured way. That's good. That's the best way to do it... if you can.
If you can't do it subtlely, though, do it blatantly, because it's just too critical to be left blank.
Although I could follow most of Dagny's and Rearden's actions in the movie, I still don't really know why they were so extraordinarily committed to fight against collectivism when so many others were willing to succumb to it. Yes, I know they're special; of course they're special, they're heroes.
But what made them so? What gives them grit and fight when so many others' spirits are broken by the system?
To the extent Ayn Rand postulated that it was merely just a choice of philosophy, she was being, what's the word?, dumb. People are a lot more than philosophy and if you're making a movie it doesn't hurt to acknowledge that.
And, if the die hard fans would object, well, I'd cite The Onion's coverage of fan disapproval of the 2009 Star Trek reboot.
There's another simple decision that hurts this movie.
It's that they give you the answer to the million-dollar question, "Who is John Galt?," pretty much in the first five minutes of the film.
What?
The whole ad campaign is about that! That's the whole viral messaging of the book (and the movie)! You can't answer that right away! That's like showing Jaws right away, or Dracula right away, or... any other interesting thing which is meant to be a source of mystery and intrigue right away.
Rand's book was conceived as thriller. That means mystery and danger. At least it had the structure of a thriller.
I don't know when Rand revealed the answer to this question in the book but it doesn't matter. If she revealed it early, she screwed up, and there's no reason to follow her in that error.
If you want to entice an audience, entice them with mystery, with unanswered questions, and with a hint of danger and menace.
The problem is not at all the actor (actually the director) playing John Galt. He's fine. P.J. O'Rourke snipes that he seems to be "played by a fedora and a trenchcoat;" what the hell kind of dumbass critique is that? He's meant to be a man of mystery, a shape in the darkness; why shouldn't he appear in a trenchcoat and fedora and a shroud of shadow?
It's an iconic look. And, while a cliche: Again, it's a classic for a reason.
The actor (director) playing him is unseen, except for the rough outlines of a shadowy profile. It is my best guess this was done with the specific intention of substituting a more high-profile star for John Galt in Parts 2 and 3, when he's revealed, should the movie do well and they be able to afford a true lead actor.
Nothing wrong with that. They did that at the end of Sherlock Holmes when the revealed Moriarity, in shadowy outline, too. Who'll play him in the sequel? Whoever they want. They didn't show his face so all options remain open.
The problem, however, is that they explain almost immediately John Galt's plan. The book, at least initially, made a mystery of this question. And furthermore, suggested menace.
Some of the most accomplished people in the world are simply disappearing. Shortly after a visit from a mysterious stranger.
Disappearing. Without a trace. That's a bit menacing.
Are they being killed? Kidnapped? Coerced to work on some dark project?
In the movie, we see Galt approach a businessman in the first five minutes, after a bit of television-based exposition about how awful the economy is and how gas now costs, if I remember this right, "thirty-seven fifty a gallon."
He approaches the businessman -- let's call him "Bill McKenna," though I forget the actual name -- outside in the rain. Here's my memory of the exchange:
DARK FIGURE: Bill McKenna?
McKENNA (turning): Yes, what?
DARK FIGURE: I need to have a word with you.
McKENNA: Who are you?
DARK FIGURE: I'm a man like you -- a man who knows the joy of the fruits of his own labor.
McKENNA: What do you want?
DARK FIGURE: You and I are similar, Mr. McKenna. I need to talk to you. I have an idea you might be interested in.
Then a black and white photo of McKenna comes up, with the scrolling digital text (as if it's an FBI report):
BILL McKENNA
MANUFACTURING CEO
MISSING SINCE SEPT. 9, 2016
That whole business of the "MISSING" picture coming up is meant to suggest menace, threat, mystery. But they already gave the game away.
The Dark Figure was 1, polite, 2, complimentary, 3, philosophically-minded and in such a way as to be pleasing to McKenna, 4, seemed to have a proposal in mind to which McKenna could give his assent or refusal freely, and 5... well, he was just pleasant.
Where is the mystery? Where is the danger?
Compare that method of doing it to this one, a better one. An extremely obvious one, and yet still better:
DARK FIGURE: Bill McKenna?
McKENNA: Yes?
DARK FIGURE: It's time, Mr. McKenna.
McKENNA: What?! Who are you?
DARK FIGURE: Someone who's been watching. For a long time.
The Dark Figure approaches McKenna, menacingly.
Black and white picture comes up, BILL McKENNA, MISSING SINCE SEPT 9, 2016.
See the difference? The way I suggest leaves open the possibility of murder or kidnapping or other such dire outcomes. The way they do it forecloses the possibility of genuine danger almost completely, and right out of the gate.
Leaving the possibility of dark dealings open for as long as possible is nothing but upside. It increases tension the whole time, and then, later in the movie, when more of Galt's pitch is revealed, it's a surprise.
Yes, 90% of the people seeing this know the story anyway and so they won't be worried or surprised later. But what about the 10% who doesn't? Why not play to them a little?
Furthermore, every time I watch Die Hard I already know that McClane is going to shoot through the wood into Marco's shins when Marco has him trapped beneath the table. Knowing this doesn't entirely diminish my appreciation of the craft of the scene, nor squash my delight at the unexpected-yet-completely-expected reversal.
Half the thrillers I see I figure out the plots one third of the way in -- I still appreciate the nods towards swirling mystery and unanswered questions.
Maybe they thought that Galt's words were vague enough that it didn't give it away. Well, maybe it didn't give away his whole plan, but to me, Galt was plainly making an offer, not a threat, not a demand.
In the movie, we hear more of Galt's proposal in the beginning, and then later, when we know the basic gist, they make it very short, often just him knocking at the door and asking to speak to a person. This is exactly backwards. His proposition should have been briefer and more ambiguous at first, and then only more fleshed out later on (like, only for the last person he makes his offer to).
There's a brief scene in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade where Steven Spielberg observes the basic rule of "preserve mystery, and suggest danger, wherever possible." Early in the film, Indy leaves his office at the university. As the sun sets, the world is blue shadow, and he approaches his car. But before he gets there, he's accosted, or at least interrupted, by three men in coats and fedoras. The scene is played wordlessly (M.O.S., as they say), so we don't know what the men are saying. But we see Indy being escorted into a different vehicle, and the men shut the door on him, locking him inside.
Now, what was that all about? Were they threatening him? Were they minions of villains from a previous adventure out for revenge? Is Indy going to live?
Well, where they were taking him was a fancy black-tie party where Indy was to be given an intriguing, exciting offer by a millionaire willing to pay him handsomely for his expertise. No threat at all!
But Spielberg implied one anyway, injecting a brief "danger beat" into the opening expository stuff. Whereas if they played the scene with sound, it would have been pretty lame. Let's watch that scene again, this time, with the microphones running:
MAN IN HAT: Doctor Jones! I have a wonderful opportunity for you which will greatly enhance both your professional prestige and financial circumstances!
INDY: Sounds good! Let me get into my car and follow you!
MAN IN HAT: No, let's take ours! It gets terrific gas mileage and this way we can play Punch-Buggy on the way over!
INDY: Well, thats just splendid then!!! Shotgun!!!
MAN IN HAT: Sorry, Indy! My buddy Chip here called shotgun when you were walking down the street!
INDY: Ohhhh, fiddlesticks!!!
Yes, Spielberg and/or writer Jeffrey Boam made the right decision keeping the mics off.
There was no point in making mystery in this scene for the audience... except that mystery is fun and therefore pleasing to the audience.
Always make mystery where you can. Especially in a thriller.
Especially in a talky thriller.
Especially in a talky thriller that specifically relies completely upon the dark, mysterious figure of John Galt to provide the sense of danger and anticipation.
A big problem, not so easily fixed but still pretty easily fixable, is that there is almost no confrontation between villains and heroes.
The template of the movie is this: Villains huddle together (almost always the same four) to conspire in a hard-to-follow way against the heroes. It tends to involve dirty dealings and stupid legislation with names like the "Protection from Unhealthy Competition Act." (No, that's not the real name, the real name isn't that dumb; it's something like that.)
Heroes get together and talk about their joint venture of a trainline built with Rearden metal. Then it is is reported to them that some bad thing has been done, and they will now suffer the dire effects of the legislation against them. This report is made by a friend -- usually the same guy who serves as Dagny's right-hand man.
Then they suffer the consequences of that, usually in a brief scene.
What doesn't happen is important: The villains to not confront the heroes face to face and mock, threaten, harass, etc., them.
Maybe this was some point of Rand's, that these scheming douchebags don't even have the courage for face-to-face confrontations, and always work behind the scenes, like cowards.
Maybe-- but if that's the case, it's still an error that should not be repeated.
This is drama: We need to see the conflict, not just hear about it secondhand.
The confrontation between heroes and villains is too important for it to always occur via intermediary. It should be "show, don't tell." We should see the drama, see the trap being sprung, and not just have it reported to us secondhand by a friendly flunky giving us a corporate briefing.
The scene that would have unfolded here would have been great and the climax of the film. Henry Rearden, bullied and lied about and harassed by venal, bought-and-paid for Senators, being forced to defend himself against lies and perjurious testimony procured by the villains, who smile as they watch.
When the villain is punishing/torturing the hero, it's crucial we see that. That's why we don't like the villains, and why we empathize with the hero, and root for them to succeed.
Here, a critical plot event happens -- a law is passed forbidding anyone in the steel industry from owning any other business, a law passed only to compel Rearden to sell his precious new alloy to his competitors (or the government, who will in turn give it to his competitors), forcing him to dismantle his whole company just to keep his metal -- but rather than see him being harangued by lies and insinuations (and who knows -- false allegations of having an affair with Dagny, which he hadn't (yet)) -- we're just told, "They passed that law."
And then there's a brief montage of Rearden selling off various properties.
They dramatized the least interesting part of this, the paperwork part of this, rather than the most compelling part, the part with yelling and hurled accusations and Rearden being restrained by Dagny from knocking someone's teeth out on CSPAN.
This isn't even hard to shoot. Rent out a VFW ballroom and put a wooden dais up front and some cameras and some witness tables and six American flags and you have the "Senate Committee on the Preservation of Critical Industry Hearing Room."
But they just don't. The only reason I can think of is that it wasn't in the book -- but so what? Then the book is wrong, and badly wrong.
There are only two confrontations at all with villains, but they're not even villains, they're lackeys, and they're minor. While the legislation that has been cooked up by the villains for almost the whole movie is passed without any dramatic confrontation.
Rand didn't care about this because drama was to her just a way to sell her philosophy. And a book is cheaply made. She didn't care so much about dramatizing stuff because it was the arguments about philosophy she cared about.
But a movie is expensive, man. And it's completely visual and about emotion.
And this million-dollar scene was just dispensed with with "They passed the bill?"
I can't explain this bizarre decision except "It wasn't in the book, and if we add that, the disciples of the book would be upset."
Well... I think you need to upset the fans, then, by giving them a better movie than they wanted.
And if you say "Oh your Senate hearing scene is a cliche, and we just saw it in Iron Man 2," I'll answer: My cliched, jumped-up, exciting-even-if-done-before drama is better than your "They passed the bill."
It can't be stressed enough how important the confrontation is between Heroes and Villains. In every James Bond movie, they contrive a series of non-lethal social combats -- over the Bacarrat table, over a horse race, over a fencing match gone wild, over a mistress' affections -- just to have hero and villain confront each other as many times as possible, even before they actually begin trying to murder each other.
In Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, even though Khan and Kirk were aboard entirely different ships, they made damnsure those two guys faced each other on the viewscreens three or four times in the movie.
And many drafts contained some contrived scene of Kirk beaming aboard Khan's ship, just so they could have a real face-to-face encounter, and fistfight. They wisely omitted that, but the basic rule -- We need these guys in near constant antagonism throughout the movie -- was always borne in mind.
It doesn't matter if it wasn't in the book. Then the book was wrong.
Dagny does have a few arguments with her brother, but the problem is, I don't even know if her brother is a proper villain, or just a dupe, or what. I don't know how "bad" he is. He's willing to scheme against competitors and Harry Rearden (someone he doesn't know, so who cares?), but that's not really villainous per se.
Is he willing to betray his sister? Is he that far gone? I don't remember the book so I don't know.
Part of the problem here is that I don't know that someone's a Villain unless I see them doing something detestable. I don't like the brother, but being a douchebag isn't villainous. I guess I need a little clarity here.
Which is the whole point of confrontations, I guess. They quickly set up a line of friend and enemy and how vicious the enemy is capable of being.
One last missed opportunity is that, while we know Dagny and Henry have two tickets to HookUpsVille, population Your Ass, we chiefly know this because 1, they're the heroes, 2, they're the most physically attractive people in the movie, 3, they spend screentime together, and 4, Henry is married to a sour shrew who seems to loathe him, so.
What is missing is hints that they desire each other. Sure, they respect each other. We get that. They are sympatico. We get that. But romantic spark? It's not that they have no chemistry, it's that the director doesn't make this chemistry overtly sexual or romantic. Until he does, and then the deed is quickly done.
There is no scene, for example, of them both reaching for a pen at the same time, and then recoiling as if shocked when their hands touch, embarrassed/intrigued. Or those sort of longing stares and quiet smiles.
I'm going to guess, again, that this is Because of the Book, and that Rand conceived of her heroes (especially Dagny) as so suffused with sexual confidence and sexual determination that there is no "Maybe they will or maybe they won't; they won't until they decide they will, and then they will. Because they made that Choice."
I don't know. But I do know that there's a missed opportunity here, whatever the book might have had to say about it, to show two people we care about showing some human trepidation and uncertainty. This maybe gets to Rand's conception of heroes as Ideals; maybe making them too Ideal, too in control of their emotions, too full of heroic resolve and heroic restraint, is taking a lot of the fun out of them. Maybe a little of Willie Loman's fallibility here would be helpful.
It may sound like I didn't like the film, and am giving it a semi-positive two and a half rating just out of ideological loyalty. That's not true. I stand by my rating. I did enjoy it, the look of it, the basics of the plot, and the cast.
But I do think the movie almost went out of its way to be a lesser movie than it could have been.
And I have to think that was due to a very misplaced fidelity to the text of Rand, as if it were a Holy Book. (And on that: Even Mel Gibson added a confrontation between Satan and Jesus in The Passion! Gibson knew you need that face-to-face confrontation, even if you're adding to the Holiest Book of All.)
When you're translating a poem or novel from one language to another, you are always confronted with a tough choice: Shall I be faithful to the letter of the text, or the spirit of the thing?
Usually the spirit is more important. The exact words were chosen to suggest a specific spirit -- the spirit was the real goal of the original author, where the exact words were just the tools he chose to achieve that goal.
When Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged, what was the spirit of the thing? Her idea was to sell a strongly libertarian (quasi-conservative) philosophy by packaging it in a popular medium (the crackerjack sci-fi mystery thriller potboiler novel). She chose to write in a popular medium, using the tropes of that medium, to sell her philosophy.
So, in translating this book to screen, to honor the spirit of the book, the filmmakers should have done likewise: Make as popular a movie as you can, using all sorts of conventions of popular movies (like transparent motivation, dramatic confrontations between hero and villain), in order to sell the philosophy.
And ignore the exact words or plot points she employed. They were just the tools to achieve the goal she desired (which she did, in fact, achieve). But to cling slavishly to her exact tools, while losing sight of her mission, is actually, in effect, a mistranslation of the novel.
I have a feeling that the mistakes here are probably due to the guy who put up his $20 million for the movie-- maybe he demanded as faithful a translation as possible. Obviously, if he's putting up that much cash for a dream, he must have a real love of the book. Maybe a little too much love -- too close to the source material to judge it dispassionately. (And ruthlessly, where needed. Like Dagny would treat it.)
Since Rand wouldn't judge the movie by good intentions, I won't either. Mistakes were, as they say, made. But despite some basic mistakes that should never have been made (nor made again), it's still a reasonably fun movie.
They deserve a shot at Parts II and III -- and, maybe more importantly, a shot at doing a second version of Part I. It would only take some light editing, a couple of reshoots... and a fifteen minute scene that really is the unseen heart of the movie.
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But I am glad that you liked the movie Ace. I read the reviews at some of the other 'conservative" sites and most hated it.
I am anxiously waiting the DVD/BluRay.
One thing, I don't think I would classify the book at SF. I don't know what genre it would fit in.
Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2011 02:21 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 02:22 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: USA at May 09, 2011 02:22 PM (YZISw)
Posted by: Cliff Notes at May 09, 2011 02:24 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Hector Barbossa at May 09, 2011 02:25 PM (eKI7W)
If I am going to read something that long, I'll need to print it and put it next to the shitter.
Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2011 02:25 PM (rrIzv)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 02:26 PM (nj1bB)
So, in translating this book to screen, to honor the spirit of the book, the filmmakers should have done likewise: Make as popular a movie as you can, using all sorts of conventions of popular movies (like transparent motivation, dramatic confrontations between hero and villain), in order to sell the philosophy.
And ignore the exact words or plot points she employed. They were just the tools to achieve the goal she desired (which she did, in fact, achieve). But to cling slavishly to her exact tools, while losing sight of her mission, is actually, in effect, a mistranslation of the novel.
This also has the effect of limiting the movie's appeal to basically all those who were already familiar to the book, which also limits the potential the movie could have had in converting undecideds to a more pro-free market philosophy.
People do not like being preached to, and making the movie a bit less heavy handed while preserving the underlying principles might have made this movie more palatable to a broader audience.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 09, 2011 02:27 PM (c0A3e)
christ almighty.
well, it is in the spirit of A. Rand. I'm sure she'd approve.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 09, 2011 02:28 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 02:28 PM (nj1bB)
Who's going to be the voice talent for the 'Post,On Tape'?
Maybe I could listen to it on an upcoming road trip?
Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2011 02:29 PM (rrIzv)
Posted by: Aunt Cranky at May 09, 2011 02:29 PM (aibIg)
Posted by: FUBAR at May 09, 2011 02:30 PM (1fanL)
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 09, 2011 02:30 PM (kaZUb)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 02:30 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: robtr at May 09, 2011 02:30 PM (MtwBb)
"That's because I wanna be me a writer when I grow up, Grampa King!"
Posted by: Stephen King at May 09, 2011 02:31 PM (PMGbu)
Ah, my mistake (reading comprehension fail). I'll probably catch this on DVD - maybe the movie will make up enough volume there to break even with production costs.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 09, 2011 02:34 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: joeindc44 at May 09, 2011 02:34 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Jordan Phillips at May 09, 2011 02:34 PM (qNhDA)
Posted by: Ayn Rand at May 09, 2011 06:31 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Leo Tolstoy at May 09, 2011 06:31 PM (1fanL)
I can't read.
At all.
Posted by: Half of Detroit at May 09, 2011 02:35 PM (rrIzv)
I think this is good. I saw the movie last week, mainly because I felt like I shouldn't complain about liberal media and not support someone who was trying to do something different. I wasn't as happy with the casting and production, but I though it was worth seeing.
I remember thinking about the 'Where did this motivation come from?' problem when reading the books as well. Dagny Taggard and Roark in Fountainhead really confused me. Rand went out of her way to make sure a multi-cultural group of men and women all could be objectivists and made it sound like they acquired this philosophy at birth. The only thing they really had to learn was to not apologize for their philosophy.
She went out of her way to show other people who were born talented or intelligent but not objectivists. Eventually, they were all either failures who gave up, died unhappy, or were 'looters'.
I never understood this, and the idea of learning objectivist philosophy from a bunch of characters who were just born that way always seemed weird.
Posted by: Paper at May 09, 2011 02:36 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: robtr at May 09, 2011 02:36 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Ayn Rand at May 09, 2011 06:31 PM (MMC8r)
Amen, sister.
Posted by: Leo Tolstoy at May 09, 2011 06:31 PM (1fanL)
Harrumph!
Posted by: John Steinbeck at May 09, 2011 02:36 PM (CzAkh)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 02:37 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: A. Breitbart at May 09, 2011 02:37 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: robtr at May 09, 2011 06:36 PM (MtwBb)
Okay. THAT'S funny.
Posted by: Aunt Cranky at May 09, 2011 02:37 PM (aibIg)
I want to see the movie. I don't want to go to the theater to do it. If you have a $5.00 DVD I'd slap that cash in your hand so fast.....
Or maybe just a streaming video.
If I'm going to a theater, I want to drink and I want to smoke. And I'd be willing to pay high prices for food I didn't have to prepare myself. And no clean up is a bonus too. And a big, comfortable seat. And an intermission. So I can take a piss.
Posted by: Jack at May 09, 2011 02:37 PM (kCT7A)
I thought it was to warn of the evils of Soviet communism which a lot of the intelligentsia were pushing in the 30s. I viewed it as a follow-on to We The Living.
Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2011 02:39 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: TexasJew at May 09, 2011 02:39 PM (205iq)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 09, 2011 02:41 PM (zpByr)
Posted by: joeindc44 at May 09, 2011 02:41 PM (QxSug)
I skipped straight to the comments,
and that has made all the difference.'
Posted by: Robert Frost - Moron at May 09, 2011 02:42 PM (rrIzv)
Will you fags stop whining about how long the review was? We get it, it was an... extensive review. Read it or don't.
As with most movies now, I'll probably just wait till it hits one of the premium cable channels. It's unfortunate they weren't better able to make it a commercial success; sure, the book was long and slow, but few would be terribly offended with a little "creative license". No novel-based movie sticks to every nuance of the book perfectly.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 09, 2011 02:44 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: ATaLien now a COadan at May 09, 2011 02:46 PM (2p0vz)
Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2011 02:46 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 02:48 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 02:49 PM (nj1bB)
Often in the book, Dagny thinks back not on her father, but her ultimate father, the first Taggart who founded the railroad. So the 'fealty' motivation could really be emphasized and still be faithful. She often does a 'What would Nat Taggart Do". (I think its Nat).
And the menace for Galt is absolutely proper. At this stage or soon after her nickname for him is "The Destroyer".
Posted by: Oldcat at May 09, 2011 02:50 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 02:50 PM (nj1bB)
Fuckin' A...that was worth the wait.
...loved the point about Dagny's motivations. It may be sacrilege to some...but g*ddamn if that ain't spot on.
Seriously, man. ...not trying to blow smoke, but this is as good as I've seen reviewing get.
I am actually going to go back and read it again
Posted by: beedubya at May 09, 2011 02:52 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2011 02:52 PM (TMB3S)
There were several things I wanted to respond to but by the time I got to the end I could only remember one:
(No knock on that preference intended; I love that stuff myself, witness me reviewing every B-grade comic book movie. But then, I think I like that stuff due to a bit of arrested development, not some high-minded reaching for the Ancient Greek Heroic tradition).
I don't think the heroic (as opposed to cynical, dystopian, defeatist) ideal is a *result* of arrested development so much as it *arrests* development by inculcating the idea of defeat too early and too often. It's one thing to be prepared for defeat, another entirely to assume it as the natural state.
It may not be realistic for every child to be the princess, the hero, the victor, but especially at the outset it's a healthy place to start. You can't spend all your time there, but if you don't spend any of your time there, what are you reaching for?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 09, 2011 02:52 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Tough US Immigration Policies at May 09, 2011 02:52 PM (x/4B/)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 02:52 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Blaspheme at May 09, 2011 02:53 PM (wOaLi)
They would be different movies, though, mine would have more dragons and guns and spaceships exploding.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 09, 2011 02:53 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 201 06:50 PM (nj1bB)
The old 'Hide in the basket' gag. That one's a classic.
Of course you'd need a middle eastern marketplace...or a Pier One Imports.
Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2011 02:53 PM (rrIzv)
Posted by: Andrew Brietbart at May 09, 2011 02:54 PM (K1NXW)
Not sure how you could play it, but the scene was there in the book already.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 09, 2011 02:55 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Henry Plinkett at May 09, 2011 02:56 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at May 09, 2011 02:57 PM (7EV/g)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 02:57 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 201 06:50 PM (nj1bB)
The old 'Hide in the basket' gag. That one's a classic.
Of course you'd need a middle eastern marketplace...or a Pier One Imports.
Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2011 06:53 PM (rrIzv)
There's at least one time where Dagny chases or almost chases the shadowy figure (who we learn later was Galt) who is watching her work on the John Galt Line.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 09, 2011 02:58 PM (z1N6a)
The suggestions on how to make a better movie are quite fair. It's a shame that Ace has so little recollection of the book.
Posted by: Jimmy at May 09, 2011 02:58 PM (hvFUI)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 03:00 PM (nj1bB)
This is where the orgy scene will take place in the inevitable Porn adaptation.
Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2011 03:00 PM (rrIzv)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 06:52 PM (nj1bB)
Possibly they were afraid to go too far, or just selected the wrong parts because they aren't the best filmmakers. In a similar situation, the LOTR developers talk about where they have to bend the book to improve the movie-ishness. In hearing what they say, I found myself seeing the point most of the time.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 09, 2011 03:01 PM (z1N6a)
Whenever Ace does one of these review posts, morons chime in with recommendations for little-known movies that should be better known.
I want to suggest one...29th Street...
If you can find a copy...don't rent...BUY IT!
Posted by: beedubya at May 09, 2011 03:02 PM (AnTyA)
Ha! Ha! All you guys are funny.
I agree with Ace. This movie was good but not great (and I wanted it to be great).
Brevity is the soul of wit.
Verbosity is a whole lot of s*&t!
Posted by: runningrn at May 09, 2011 03:02 PM (ihSHD)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 03:02 PM (nj1bB)
This technique always reminds me of one of the finest examples in modern cinema:
"Hallo, Austin! This is Basil Exposition, with British Intelligence."
Posted by: JPS at May 09, 2011 03:02 PM (FX9YY)
Posted by: Herr Blücher at May 09, 2011 03:04 PM (CzAkh)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 07:00 PM (nj1bB)
That's what I thought would be hard. On the outside, Rearden is pretty perfect, but listening to his inner voice you see how messed up he is by his relatives. I'm not sure how you get that across without a lot of voice overs, and its not the kind of thing normal guys talk about much to a buddy, much less a guy like Rearden.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 09, 2011 03:04 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2011 03:05 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 03:06 PM (nj1bB)
I'd have liked high school English a lot more if we had reviewed books in this way, instead of pondering the symbolism of the "lush vegetation" scene in Tess of the d'Urbervilles.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 09, 2011 03:06 PM (5+pHf)
Posted by: A.G. at May 09, 2011 03:06 PM (r1N2K)
Posted by: joeindc44 at May 09, 2011 03:06 PM (QxSug)
later we can discuss Doctor Who's revisionist history and the bad habit of sprinkling every episode with cheap anti-American or anti-conservative snark.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at May 09, 2011 03:07 PM (Wzli+)
As GOB would say, "Oh come on!!!"
Silly stuff like that is great for movies.
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 07:02 PM (nj1bB)
Not kidding. She's worn out, she sees him almost come in, then he turns, and I believe she even goes out after him, but he's gone back into the Taggart Tunnels. If you couldn't make that into a scary 3 minute chase, I'll eat my hat.
Actually outside of the speeches, Rand is a very visual writer, since she wrote scripts. You can often see the 'movie' view when reading the book.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 09, 2011 03:07 PM (z1N6a)
I am reminded of The Emperor's New Groove, where Kuzco watches the first half of the movie with the rest of the audience and does the MST3K bit.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 09, 2011 03:08 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: joeindc44 at May 09, 2011 03:08 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2011 03:10 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Oldcat at May 09, 2011 03:10 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at May 09, 2011 03:10 PM (VAfwJ)
wow...I can't believe they brought Galt in that early. That was part of the mystery of the book. To me, that's a big issue.
I didn't know if Galt was a man, an idea, or just a set up for some unexpected plot device.
Posted by: beedubya at May 09, 2011 03:10 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Leo Tolstoy at May 09, 2011 03:10 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at May 09, 2011 03:12 PM (VAfwJ)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein's sister in Maine at May 09, 2011 03:13 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at May 09, 2011 03:15 PM (VAfwJ)
John Galt worked as a laborer at Taggart Transcontinental later in the book. Eddie Willers used to eat meals with him in the company cafeteria late at night. Galt was trying to find out about Dagny (because he lusted after her), and Willers liked to talk to Galt because he was a rational man in a world turned crazy.
There is also a scene when Eddie is in Dagny's apartment, and sees the robe with "HR" monogrammed on it, and suddenly realizes that they (Hank Rearden and Dagny) are lovers. Eddie has adored Dagny since childhood, and is more than a little heartbroken to learn that this love is not to be.
One of Rand's favorite writers was Victor Hugo, and she explicitly rejected Nietzsche on more than one occasion, even though legions of "intellectuals" have tried to tie that rock around her neck.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at May 09, 2011 03:16 PM (sJTmU)
Oy. If I hadn't read the review I might have had time to see the movie.
I keed. I keed.
Thanks for the (exceptionally) comprehensive review!
Posted by: Dumb_Blonde at May 09, 2011 03:20 PM (0f5+I)
John Galt worked as a laborer at Taggart Transcontinental later in the book. Eddie Willers used to eat meals with him in the company cafeteria late at night. Galt was trying to find out about Dagny (because he lusted after her), and Willers liked to talk to Galt because he was a rational man in a world turned crazy.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at May 09, 2011 07:16 PM (sJTmU)
It was during the entire book he worked there. Lust besides, he knew he had to screw up her railroad to bring the system down, so he was there undermining it from the time He, Dagnar, and Francisco started the operation.
He needed to know what she was doing in order to defeat her, hence the using of Eddie. Eddie talked to him because he was sure Galt loved the railroad. This was so, but he was also trying to destroy it.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 09, 2011 03:23 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Soona at May 09, 2011 03:24 PM (ULPoG)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at May 09, 2011 03:26 PM (VAfwJ)
Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2011 03:26 PM (kPXfr)
There is also a scene when Eddie is in Dagny's apartment, and sees the robe with "HR" monogrammed on it, and suddenly realizes that they (Hank Rearden and Dagny) are lovers. Eddie has adored Dagny since childhood, and is more than a little heartbroken to learn that this love is not to be.
I think that's the reason he totally gave up in the end.
Posted by: Soona at May 09, 2011 03:27 PM (ULPoG)
<em>If I'm going to a theater, I want to drink and I want to smoke. And I'd be willing to pay high prices for food I didn't have to prepare myself. And no clean up is a bonus too. And a big, comfortable seat.</em>
Dude - Movie Tavern. It's the only way to see a movie!
You can't smoke, but you CAN drink, and in the newer theaters, the seats are plenty big.
Ace, good review - I agree with your points.
And didn't Gary Cooper play Roark in "The Fountainhead" (opposite Patricia O'Neal, who was too brittle for words)?
We saw it with my BIL and SIL, who had never read the book (I did my HS Senior Research paper on Ayn Rand) - they both loved it, and can't wait for the next installments. They're gonna be crushed if those don't get made.
Ace - ever consider offering your services to the guy who ponied up the money for this movie? I'm quite serious.....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at May 09, 2011 03:29 PM (5QW3T)
Comprehensive. Can't wait to finish reading the entire review. It was worth the wait.
I'd love to see the movie but I didn't see any showings for it in Canada. Maybe it'll be out on DVD and hidden at the back of a store sometime in the future.
Posted by: Canadian Infidel at May 09, 2011 03:29 PM (GKQDR)
Do that again, you bastard, and I'll blurt out how Titanic ends.
Posted by: fluffy & spoiled at May 09, 2011 03:30 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at May 09, 2011 03:30 PM (5QW3T)
Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2011 03:31 PM (kPXfr)
And didn't Gary Cooper play Roark in "The Fountainhead"
That was the first mistake...and it went downhill from there.
Posted by: beedubya at May 09, 2011 03:31 PM (AnTyA)
I think that's the reason he totally gave up in the end.
Posted by: Soona at May 09, 2011 07:27 PM (ULPoG)
Well maybe. But he couldn't give up the physical railroad for the idea, or even to survive. Dagny had the same error for a while, but eventually did.
Cheryl and Eddie are both figures that show there will be some that are good people (by her ideals) that will be lost. Not everyone will be saved, like the Holocaust victims that did not flee.
Best not to let it get to that point.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 09, 2011 03:33 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2011 03:33 PM (kPXfr)
Posted by: NEO-pervert. at May 09, 2011 03:36 PM (VAfwJ)
Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2011 03:39 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: NEO-pervert. at May 09, 2011 07:36 PM (VAfwJ)
Shit, a thirty year old would put me in ecstasy.
Posted by: Soona at May 09, 2011 03:39 PM (ULPoG)
Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2011 03:41 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at May 09, 2011 03:43 PM (VAfwJ)
Posted by: Ben at May 09, 2011 03:43 PM (DKV43)
That's why he suddenly placed El Paso on his list of places to visit.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 09, 2011 03:46 PM (P+zzG)
Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2011 03:46 PM (kPXfr)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at May 09, 2011 03:47 PM (VAfwJ)
Frank Connor, Ayn Rand's real life husband, had a very strong physical resemblance to Gary Cooper. Cooper was Rand's choice to play Howard Roarke.
He (Cooper) admitted after the movie premier that he "missed it" with respect to "being Howard Roarke".
Cheryl and Eddie are both figures that show there will be some that are good people (by her ideals) that will be lost. Not everyone will be saved, like the Holocaust victims that did not flee.
Best not to let it get to that point.
Posted by: Oldcat
This is exactly it. Cheryl and Eddie were real people, not the Objectivist heroes, and they were the real tragic figures in the movie. These were the people to suffer most from the madness of collectivism.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at May 09, 2011 03:49 PM (sJTmU)
7,798 words.
Ace I love your site but man this movie review was beyond epic.
I agree with your criticism of the producers' desire to stay rigidly faithful to the book, because when I saw it I thought that it would be hard for others to understand the movie if they hadn't read the book before. It seems like a movie produced for the faithful rather than for a general audience, which is sad, because this movie and this message really needs to get out to the larger population.
But at the same time they can't really rewrite the story. I think I would have been a little upset to see Hank Rearden at some Senate committee with daggers in his eyes. Actually, I think that might have been counterproductive to Rand's message - her message as I understood it was that the producers were just taken for granted by the looters, so why would they even bother inviting Rearden or any of the other producers to testify at some hearing? Having the decision come down as if by fiat is probably more appropriate IMO.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 09, 2011 03:49 PM (7mSYS)
"from the hero."
All you knuckleheads really need is a leader with super powers, a few tidy slogans, a midget, and tit tits tits.
The eternal return of the fucking same.
Posted by: Charles Fourier at May 09, 2011 03:50 PM (lzsaX)
Well maybe. But he couldn't give up the physical railroad for the idea, or even to survive. Dagny had the same error for a while, but eventually did.
Cheryl and Eddie are both figures that show there will be some that are good people (by her ideals) that will be lost. Not everyone will be saved, like the Holocaust victims that did not flee.
This is the horrific moral lesson to be learned from this story. Even good people with strong ideals about freedom and capitalism can be broken by the relentless inundation of socialism around them. This is a Winston Smith story for many of the people in the book.
Posted by: Soona at May 09, 2011 03:51 PM (ULPoG)
Posted by: lauren at May 09, 2011 03:51 PM (ibCFU)
Don't have time to read your review, Ace. My time is precious, and my Navy SEAL fantasies are calling.
Posted by: AmericanWoman at May 09, 2011 03:54 PM (SQvIY)
You morons have the attention span of a hyperactive child with an IV of Surge that produces his own cocaine.
That said,
Ace broke the golden rule of the internet (Cheezburger rule):
Nothing is longer than Longcat.
Posted by: CAC at May 09, 2011 03:54 PM (DoK+0)
Posted by: Scott P at May 09, 2011 03:56 PM (60Nhd)
Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2011 03:57 PM (kPXfr)
What killed that movie for me was the overdone, present-in-every-scene music soundtrack which was very LOUD and ANNOYING.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 09, 2011 03:57 PM (o8UCz)
Posted by: moviegique at May 09, 2011 03:58 PM (Cepxj)
Posted by: Soona at May 09, 2011 03:58 PM (ULPoG)
Posted by: Poland at May 09, 2011 03:58 PM (qDPnZ)
Leaders are a rare breed. Don't know of any with super powers, but there are a couple out there with clanking, brass balls.
Posted by: fluffy at May 09, 2011 03:58 PM (SwkdU)
It'll make you constipated too.
Posted by: mpfs at May 09, 2011 03:59 PM (3TjSM)
So?
Posted by: well caffeinated fluffy at May 09, 2011 04:00 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: moviegique at May 09, 2011 04:00 PM (Cepxj)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 09, 2011 04:00 PM (+sBB4)
Yeah, and what's funny about that is that there was apparently no room in her Objectivist philosophy for guilty pleasures, so she had to conjure up a bunch of cockamamie reasons why Spillane was "objectively" a better writer than Shakespeare. What a hoot that was.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 09, 2011 04:00 PM (o8UCz)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 09, 2011 04:01 PM (qIHlG)
So that's bad, right?
Posted by: mpfs at May 09, 2011 04:01 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2011 04:01 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2011 04:02 PM (kPXfr)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 09, 2011 04:03 PM (qIHlG)
Really? I was referring to The Fountainhead, I see now I didn't make that clear.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 09, 2011 04:04 PM (o8UCz)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at May 09, 2011 04:05 PM (VAfwJ)
Posted by: Ron Paul at May 09, 2011 04:06 PM (qIHlG)
Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2011 04:08 PM (kPXfr)
Also, two items.
"The Bill Is passed" is done the same way in the book, It's done that way, I think, to show how undemocratic the society becomes with each successive failure. By the end of the book, rules and laws are passed at random, until the Directive and Unification board come about which essentially turn the country into a quasi-dictatorship.
Also, the movie did do a terrible job on Jim Taggart. From the movie, he appears like a helpless douchebag, but in the book he's probably the most evil of all. The other "villians" simply follow the wrong philosophy, but aren't "evil". Whereas Jim is a destroyer. He lives to destroy people, first their businessness, then their character and then their lives. He does so with Cherryl, the poor woman he marries and pushes her toward suicide. Then in the end he breaks down when they're torturing Galt because the torture machine breaks down and only Galt is able to fix it(which he does tell them how to do to put a final nail in the coffin of their philosphy.)
As for Dagny, her story arc is her becoming an objectivist. Rearden is the one who starts out confused. There is something wrong with society and the way he is treated, but he can't figure it out, Francisco D'Anconia helps him get there. Dagny becomes the last hold out against Objectivism. She doesn't realize that her hard work is what is keeping the villians society alive, the sanction of the victim as Rand calls it.
So she does have a natural arc in the book.
Posted by: Ben at May 09, 2011 04:08 PM (DKV43)
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Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 07:05 PM (nj1bB)
Or, maybe it'll be "Super," or both. He posted on FB that it'd be a new super hero movie. But yeah, go for it.
I read your review and I definitely picked up on the Plinkett-isms.
My primary concern about the film adaptation of AS was the possibility if it being too closely based upon the book. The thought of ham-fisted philosophical exposition--though I may find myself generally in agreement with it--makes make for piss-poor dialog. Unfortunately, it sounds as though you've confirmed that fear. There's no motivation, no growing and changing of characters but, rather, regurgitation of dogma.
Again, referring back to Plinkett, it sounds as though its using a story to extensively tell a philosophy rather than using philosophy to help tell a story. Of course, that's what the novel is and is its major failing in my eyes. The movie had a chance to improve upon that.
Eh, I'll catch in on Netflix.
Posted by: Herr Blücher at May 09, 2011 04:10 PM (CzAkh)
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Posted by: moviegique at May 09, 2011 04:18 PM (Cepxj)
I love "long Ace." That's your biggest strength.
Posted by: Jeff B. at May 09, 2011 04:19 PM (NjYDy)
The only way I'd watch this movie if they handed me a bucket of dung to fling at the movie screen while I watched it...
A heaping pile of steamy shite is still that--shite. Whether in written, physical, oral, or movie form...
No, I'm not a troll...
Posted by: Sir Thomas More at May 09, 2011 04:20 PM (azgo2)
I love "long Ace." That's your biggest strength.
Didn't think that one all the way through Jeff B.
Posted by: Ben at May 09, 2011 04:23 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at May 09, 2011 04:28 PM (5uGq7)
My memory's pretty solid that Dagny began very early with page-long explanation of philosophy and the virtue of capitalism.
Posted by: ace at May 09, 2011 08:15 PM (nj1bB)
Dagny has all the right instincts, but no philosophy. Unlike Francisco, who in the end will count things better if he makes 1 copper ingot in Galt's Gulch than all his ancestor's minds, she continually goes back to the world. Even after seeing the Gulch and Galt, she goes back.
Only after Nat Taggart's bridge is destroyed and Galt needs to be saved does she finally make the break.
She may talk about not wanting favors, and wanting to compete with other railroads fairly in the book, but she is always making her decisions to save the physical railroad.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 09, 2011 04:30 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Dave C at May 09, 2011 04:39 PM (Kggtu)
Dagny has all the right instincts, but no philosophy. Unlike Francisco, who in the end will count things better if he makes 1 copper ingot in Galt's Gulch than all his ancestor's minds, she continually goes back to the world. Even after seeing the Gulch and Galt, she goes back.
Only after Nat Taggart's bridge is destroyed and Galt needs to be saved does she finally make the break.
She may talk about not wanting favors, and wanting to compete with other railroads fairly in the book, but she is always making her decisions to save the physical railroad.
Exactly. She isn't an objectivist at the outset. She simply is a productive capitalist and that's also she knows. It's not until the end, when she joins the strike, does she understand what objectivism is and how she was its worst enemy by keeping the the real "villian" alive(the looters and moochers).
Posted by: Ben at May 09, 2011 04:39 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: JohnW at May 09, 2011 04:49 PM (c45mq)
Ace - I wish your half-assed website had tags or something, or a compilation of your movie reviews, because they're pretty good.
I mean that in the gayest way possible.
Amen. I really enjoy ace's reviews.
Posted by: Ben at May 09, 2011 04:52 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 09, 2011 04:56 PM (tBDs3)
Obviously I have a working knowledge of the John Galt character, because you can't live in the modern world and miss that. What went over my head was the reason people kept asking, "Who is John Galt?" Like the guy in the diner at the beginning of the movie. WTF? Later, when Dagny explained the reason for naming her railroad the John Galt Line, she explained a bit, but it would have been nice to know that the four or five times previously that someone had said, "Who is John Galt?"
Not having read the book, the movie just moved inexplicably from one scene to the next to me. It was a series of disjointed scenes, all well acted, as you said, but not having a lot to do with each other. Just as I was beginning to get into the movie, and really be curious about what came next, it ended. Ok, I knew it was the first part of a trilogy, so I expected a cliffhanger, but damn. When the movie ended, I literally asked out loud, "What the fuck?"
I will see parts two and three (if they get made), and maybe all taken together, they will make sense to me, but this one on its own...no. Chris Carter (creator of The X-Files) is an idiot in many ways, but one thing he knew when making his first movie in 1998 was that you have to pull in people who are not fans of the series, and let them know what's going on. It can't all be an inside joke between the series' fans and the movie patrons. I think the makers of Atlas Shrugged could have taken a lesson from him.
Posted by: Laura Castellano at May 09, 2011 05:03 PM (fuw6p)
B) Sorry I didn't hang around earlier for the discussion, Ace, errands. It's a key point and I think why Rand preferred that fiction - art has consequences.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 09, 2011 05:04 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Corona at May 09, 2011 05:20 PM (fh2Y7)
With all due respect to P.J. O'Rourke finest books, it's the critique of a guy who spends way too much time nowadays playing pussyfoot with liberals on lame NPR "game shows."
Posted by: Kensington at May 09, 2011 05:22 PM (mEyVv)
One of Rand's favorite writers was Victor Hugo, and she explicitly rejected Nietzsche on more than one occasion, even though legions of "intellectuals" have tried to tie that rock around her neck.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at May 09, 2011 07:16 PM (sJTmU)
Rand did repudiate Nietzsche later in life, but early on she was actually fairly influenced by him which is why her work is instilled with a sort of Great Man view of the world, which is where I think the greatest part of the criticisms of Atlas Shrugs is directed.
Fewer Dagny Taggarts and John Galts in the world and more Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and, uh, Aces (if ya like). Guys who create value, but who also got their heads dunked in the toilets in high school.
As for Ace's review, I'm gonna save it for a day off. Or an extended period of unemployment.
Posted by: Robert at May 09, 2011 05:32 PM (4q6A5)
So what if it's long?
It's not like most of the morons here, have anything important to do.
*fires up Xbox (Red Dead Redemption again)
Posted by: Retired Geezer at May 09, 2011 05:46 PM (FryOz)
Here's why the film didn't work for me. I have tried to read the book on several occasions and I find it tedious. Same reason that, even though I'm a true crime buff, I can't make it through In Cold Blood. Tedious and at times boring. My personal philosophy, if you will, is if you need that many words to tell a story, STFU.
It is tedious at the start, but if you can make it to Rearden's conversation with Francisco at the Anniversary party, you get hooked.
While it is a platform for her philosphy, it is also kinda meant to be a thriller story and quasi- mystery solving story.
Posted by: Ben at May 09, 2011 05:47 PM (DKV43)
In the end, I simply had to commit to reading slowly, and if I ever found my attention drifting, I stopped and came back to it later.
In the end, I loved both books.
Posted by: Kensington at May 09, 2011 05:49 PM (mEyVv)
Posted by: moviegique at May 09, 2011 06:25 PM (Cepxj)
Of course I thought that through. In fact, I'm honestly disappointed that more people didn't take entertaining swings at that easy pitch down the middle of the plate.
(Even us seemingly 'non-schtick' posters on AoSHQ have our own personal schticks we adhere to, brother.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at May 09, 2011 06:32 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: The Great John Galt's Ghost at May 09, 2011 06:33 PM (08Pe8)
Posted by: toby928™ at May 09, 2011 06:43 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: toby928™ at May 09, 2011 06:45 PM (GTbGH)
Fuckin' A...that was worth the wait.
...loved the point about Dagny's motivations. It may be sacrilege to some...but g*ddamn if that ain't spot on.
Seriously, man. ...not trying to blow smoke, but this is as good as I've seen reviewing get.
I am actually going to go back and read it again
Posted by: beedubya at May 09, 2011 06:52 PM
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I totally agree. Ace isn't far off the mark. In the book there is one scene where Dagny's father looks at her and says, "There will always be a Taggart to run the railroad." He knew that Dagny was cut out of his cloth, and her brother was a mutant.
After he's gone, she has no one else to talk to--d'Anconia betrayed her, and she hadn't yet met Rearden. So it does make sense that she would take a few moments to remember the one person who really understood her and who loved what she loved.
Posted by: Taxpayer at May 09, 2011 07:13 PM (NpmCe)
Wait, I do remember one other line, Francisco looking out at the storm with Rearden and saying something like Terrible for any creature caught out on that plain tonight.
Yeah, that's from the Anniversary party.
It's one of my favorite scenes.
Posted by: Ben at May 09, 2011 07:19 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: sauropod at May 09, 2011 08:14 PM (GPm6P)
Frankly, they should have gone with TV miniseries, which is what the production values offered up anyway, and they would have been better equipped to transfer the story from book to film.
Loved the train scenes, though, very well done.
Posted by: Sgt. York at May 09, 2011 09:08 PM (uLilQ)
Posted by: Raul Johnson at May 09, 2011 09:08 PM (zduss)
I read through the whole thing, dude! Great take on translating Objectivism to the screen. 'Tis a difficult thing to do.
Now go cool off your sore little Ewok fingers, Ace... Yeesh! I could almost feel the finger fur of fury fly...
Posted by: Squatch at May 09, 2011 09:12 PM (D9pKF)
Has anybody seen the comicbook version lately?
It does exist, or I'm mad.
PS - Loved the movie. Ace's critiques are spot on, and would have made it better.
Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at May 09, 2011 09:30 PM (zTL/J)
Both screenwriters, Lionel has been a director and producer too, of no mean distinction, they said they really wanted AS Part I to be good, but they also were frustrated by the writers' fidelity to the book. They agreed that Aglialoro and company didn't really make the transition from book to movie.
Interestingly, the AS 1 producers did talk to Lionel about writing the script: he finally bowed out because, he says, they were too slavishly faithful to the book. So, Ace, your suspicions were correct.
My take: the faults of the movie were the faults of Rand's book; the virtues of the movie were the virtues of Rand's book. They did prune the speeches (too bad Ayn didn't think to do likewise! Galt's radio speech is as long as the ages). But they didn't really transmogrify it.
My dad was left feeling half-satisfied as well. Goldwater Republican, he really wanted to like it more. He thought the Rearden actor was too mild-mannered and ordinary, which I actually agree with. This whole thing only works if they're all Ubermenschen.
Posted by: Beverly at May 09, 2011 09:31 PM (Nm0k9)
Seriously, Ace, this is some great stuff. I write fiction (still unpublished), have read writing books and none of them got this serous or to the point so quickly about what fiction is. Spot on review. I remember being transfixed by the book and yet irritated at the flat characters (except D'Anconia and Rearden). The unending ugliness of the looter/moocher class, their mousy names, their smarmy arrogance - not one had a redeeming feature.
Didn't Wesley Mouch work with Rearden? A confrontation could have happened with them and some congressman such as in the hearing you described. Something where you could identify with the guy whose business was being destroyed.
The dialog and the action scenes in the book are the memorable part, not the "hey the law passed, sucks to be us" moments. Dramatizing them would have been well within the spirit of the book and would have added to the experience the movie was supposed to be conveying.
I'd love to know the previsualization software you learned about for my own work. I did a google but don't know if I landed on the right page.
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Posted by: Decaf at May 10, 2011 08:28 AM (3+xlM)
Ace - I wish your half-assed website had tags or something, or a compilation of your movie reviews, because they're pretty good.
How about it, Ace? Or do people have to email you (which you don't read anyway)?
Posted by: Decaf at May 10, 2011 08:48 AM (3+xlM)
What about Atlas? Does the movie convey who/what comprises Atlas and why he/she/they/it shrugs?
Posted by: FireHorse at May 10, 2011 09:19 AM (Rq1/g)
Dagny isn't a full-on Objectivist at the beginning of the book, and she doesn't teach the philosophy to Rearden. They both have the right stuff, but are flawed. They learn from each other and then are taught to fulfill Objectivism by Galt, the ultimate Objectivist.
When Rearden says the only cares about making money, I think the emphasis is on "making." He doesn't want to have money or to acquire it, but he wants to do his work well and in a way that benefits him. So he can't sell his creation just to have money. Making money is his goal, not acquiring money.
Posted by: SD at May 10, 2011 09:36 AM (hzhrT)
Posted by: ace at May 10, 2011 09:50 AM (nj1bB)
Like the book itself, your review is too long. So I only read about half of it. But two obvious failings in the book, which are not mentioned in the half of the review that I read:
1. You do mention that Rand was a fan of pulp fiction. This might explain why the love story in the book (H. Rearden/D. Taggart) is so sappy and cliched that it really detracts from the whole effort.
2. I'm pretty sure the book was released in 1957 and yet, to the best of my recollection, there is NO mention anywhere in it of television. All the references are to radio. I've always wondered why.
Posted by: middyfeek at May 10, 2011 10:16 AM (UqXIh)
By the way, great review, Ace. (Disclaimer: I read the book but haven't seent he movie.) The one contention I have is who the main character is. It's Dagny. The reader learns what Dagny learns as she learns it, but only insofaras the story is concerned (Who is John Galt? Where did Hank Reardon go?) and not really with the ideas behind the characters (Objectivism).
As far as I'm concerned, the story boils down to two words: "Atlas Shrugged." Being true to the book can mean either in the concept and overall message, or it can mean the details.
(Unrelated: You really seem to know your stuff, Ace, as it pertains to the mechanics of storytelling. Have you considered writing a screenplay for something like The Fountainhead?)
Posted by: FireHorse at May 10, 2011 10:19 AM (Rq1/g)
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Posted by: teapartydoc at May 10, 2011 06:03 PM (jzPLX)
Well, I went to the trouble to read the whole thing yesterday, but ran out of time to comment, so I must comment on this now even though the thread is totally ancient anyway.
I thought the review was awesome, and well worth the time. I didn't make it through the book, but saw the movie, and this explained very well exactly what seemed to be odd, or just missing.
On one point, for example, one of the more satisfying points in the movie was Dagny's take-down of the Union leader. This was the best example of what Ace talks about - face-to-face confrontation vs. the bad guy. This guy was only small potatoes; how 'bout a confrontation vs. a major player?
Another point is motivation. I agree that the movie left the viewer wondering why Dagny is the way she is. I can offer a reminder to Ace that in the book I seem to recall that there was a statue of her great-grandfather (who founded the railroad) that she would look at on her way to and from work - maybe that would have been the kind of avenue Ace was looking for.
As far as Reardon, they show nothing of his long history of tirelessly inventing his miraculous metal himself. The viewer wonders about the metal bracelet he gives to his wife almost as much as she does.
If anything, Dagny and Reardon seem rather odd for business executives. They not only seem to have only a naive, vague awareness of the bad things that the govt can do to them, but they do nothing to address the problem. In fact, they seem downright dismissive of it - it is beneath them.
Then there's the oil guy. He not only runs off and disappears, but he screws over the very people who put everything on the line to help him, by blowing the damn place up. WTH?
Ace is also exactly right about the appearances of the dark shadowy figure - it's completely bass-akward. What were they thinking?
Last thing. In the book, my impression of Dagny's brother is that he inherited the position of being head of the business because he was the boy and Dagny was the girl. He was no kind of leader, and was led around by the hand by his cronies. It doesn't come out so much in the movie, but they make it very explicit in the book that Dagny is the one who really runs the railroad. The brother is portrayed as weak in the movie, but I don't think the exact nature of what's going on really comes across. So he's another character where we never find out what really makes him "tick".
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