1 On the plus side, the HPV vaccine made my tits huge!

2 SCFOAMF

3 Awful lot of sexists in the GOP primary electorate.

4 It's not Bachmann's fault that she's crazy. Blame her parents for vaccinating her.

5 Put it back in the deck, Francis.

6 So lets neck it down and have real debates.

7
Sam Drucker

status: alive

8 I am disappointed with Bachman. Why did she start whining about a something people really don't care about? Why not challenge Perry on Immigration? She still probably will be a Secratary of Something after the Republican wins in 2012.

9

Moe: Moe's Tavern, where the elite meet to drink
Bart: Uh, yeah hello. Is Mike there? Last name, Rotch.
Moe: Hold on, I'll check. [calls] Mike Rotch! Mike Rotch! Hey, has anybody seen my crotch lately?! [snickers from the patrons] [to phone] Listen, to me, you little puke. One of these days, I'm going to catch you, and I'm going to carve my name on your back with an ice pick!

10 Womyn Power!  haters.

11 Dick Cheney's mighty WarCock gave me the HPV vaccine!

12 >>>4 It's not Bachmann's fault that she's crazy. Blame her parents for vaccinating her. Posted by: mugiwara at September 13, 2011 04:34 PM (KI/Ch) 4 comments and we already have a thread winner.

13 It's not Bachmann's fault that she's crazy. Blame her parents for vaccinating her.

Posted by: mugiwara at September 13, 2011 04:34 PM (KI/Ch)

Someone give this man a Christina Hendricks for this. Thread winner four posts in.

14 I think Ace has a woman problem for posting this.

15 So lets neck it down and have real debates.

Yeah, like the MFM is not going to invite Paul (RON PAUL!), Huntsman, et al to their next Republican debate.

16 So lets neck it down and have real debates.

Yeah.  But we should keep Gingrich in as the token Why Is He Still Here candidate, since he actually adds something useful to the discussion.

17
Dick Cheney's mighty WarCock gave me the HPV vaccine!


That's not true because Cheney always uses a live cougar for a condom.

18 You got the name wrong... Need to Page: Mike Hunt.

19 After the primaries are over we need to have a thread wherein the filthy, knuckle-dragging rednecks from flyover country make up with the effete, condescending bicoastal latte-sippers. Should be epic.

20 >>Romney actually doing himself some good in the debates,which I must assume is mostly from the first debate, because last night he was weak Really? I haven't seen anyone else come to this conclusion.

21 I'm guesing in another two weeks that Gingrich polls better than Bachmann. She's really fading

22 And is it PPP, or someone with those initials or something, reporting polling showing Perry 11 points behind the JEF?

That is the two-man race I care about.  Anybody but Obama.

23

How was W doing in the polls in mid September 1999?

For myself, I wasn't at all enthused in 1999 about his becoming president -- about how I feel about Romney now.

24

There's a third man:

http://tinyurl.com/6xjhst8

 

25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

And it goes to show that Bachman (who is supposed to be 'the TRUE' conservative') is hurting Perry almost as much as herself.

That is, people are still leaving her, but they're headed to Romney instead of Perry.

Seriously, folks- which of these two do you think is more conservative over all?  If it's Romney, tell me something positive he actually did in office.

26 Any Intell on the NY-9 Election ????

27 Yeah.  But we should keep Gingrich in as the token Why Is He Still Here candidate, since he actually adds something useful to the discussion.

Agreed.  Every single one of his responses made me smile - every single one.  Keep him there, even if he has a snowball's chance of being nominated or elected.

28 I'm thinking the polls are changing because people are starting to bail from the other posers (except the Ron Paul tards) and gravitate toward the other 2.

29

Holy shiite wife beaters!  ItÂ’s galactic warming!

30 I'm just wondering, how many Palin and Bachman fans think most conservatives are racists? You know, because all that criticism of Palin and Bachman is clearly misogynistic.

31 Really? I haven't seen anyone else come to this conclusion.


Romney could scream "9/11 was an inside job" and then relieve himself on the stage and you wouldn't come to that conclusion.

I'm sure you'd tell us that he was just joking around doing a Ron Paul impersonation.

32
He's mad, brah.

33 I say keep Gingrich in.  I have to keep reminding myself of his couch sitting, because in the debates, it is almost impossible to not think he should be our candidate.  Why oh Why did he so screw up?????

34 Yeah.  But we should keep Gingrich in as the token Why Is He Still Here candidate, since he actually adds something useful to the discussion.

Not to mention the fact that he can beat on the moderators and remind the audience that they're (generally) folks who thought electing Obama was a good idea-so the two actual candidates don't have to.

35 Any Intell on the NY-9 Election ????

Absolutely 0 news implies that its good news for the R, since the media ain't talkin about it.

36 After the primaries are over we need to have a thread wherein the filthy, knuckle-dragging rednecks from flyover country make up with the effete, condescending bicoastal latte-sippers. Should be epic.

Posted by: joncelli

 

We'll need to ensure that the shot records of the former group are up to date.

37

Perry/Romney in '12.

They will cut each others throats til the bitter end, then Perry pulls a rabbit out of his hat named Mittens who effectively and in his oiliest out-Romney's himself defending Perry, making any attempts by Obama to "recycle" the mud slung in the primaries moot.

In return Perry stops boning Romney's wife.

They win 35 states.

I eat bacon-flavored pudding in my finest plaid shorts.

38 >> What the Gallup Organization, a well-known misogynist polling outfit, calls the "positive intensity score"

FIFY

39 Barry is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

On this we can all agree, yes?

40 Look for Santorum to make a move when he wins the McCotter endorsement.

41 A woman just cried hysterically to me that these new polling scores gave her pet chinchilla a learning disability.

No, Ace, that was the 9 minutes of Spongebob Squarepants it watched.

42
Remember the episode of STAR TREK when KIRK was involved in a Transporter malfunction and the crew CRIED and SPOK took over the ENTERPRISE?

But then KIRK appeared to NURSE CHAPEL and then to UHURA when they were in their quarters undressing.

KIRK was FADING in and out but then SPOK saved him.

Romney = Kirk

43 chillin the most for Perry at September 13, 2011 04:41 PM (6IV8T)

Yeah, I hate Gingrich for being such a douchebag. He could've been President.

44 So ... you're telling me there's a chance? Yeahhh!

45 >>Romney could scream "9/11 was an inside job" and then relieve himself on the stage and you wouldn't come to that conclusion. Calm down. I didn't say me. I said I hadn't seen anyone else come to that conclusion. Look around the net on political sites. Romney got pretty good marks all around.

46
Herman Cain's score of 22 remains above Romney's but has fallen five points in two weeks. Rudolph Giuliani, like Palin unannounced, is up one point to 18.




Oh, so it's now a two man race between Perry and Cain. Great poll there....

47
[Bachman] still probably will be a Secratary of Something after the Republican wins in 2012.

Doubtful, unless she walks back from this vaccination nonsense.

48 If it's Romney, tell me something positive he actually did in office.

He gave MA universal health care. Which definitely doesn't funnel state resources to Mexican invaders.

Duh.

49 Kinda gotta disagree ace. Romney, and I am not a fan, pretty well cleaned up last night at least from where I was sitting.

50 I dread having the primary race come down to Mitt vs. Perry -- all those foam baseball gloves and "Agent P" fedora hats -- oh, you know those fedoras are coming.

51 Little known fact, The HPV vaccine was derived from cougar spit.

52 A woman just cried hysterically to me that these new polling scores gave her pet chinchilla a learning disability.

I thought all the great wimmen shaved these days, back to making my lasagna.

53 Doubtful, unless she walks back from this vaccination nonsense.

Which, according to some of the commenters who listened to her on Hannity's show, she's not doing.

54 effete, condescending

You left out "whiney, candy-assed..."

55 Absolutely 0 news implies that its good news for the R, since the media ain't talkin about it.
Posted by: Pam Geller at September 13, 2011 04:41 PM

We'll just have to see. The NY Post is saying Anthony Weinerdog voted for Weprin, and that might be a real game-changer and all, Weinerdog being a real smart fellah.....

56

Wait a minute.

 

Where is Pawlenty in this poll?  HeÂ’s obviously the most qualified, so why did they leave him off?

57 shaved? how about waxed.................

58 Posted by: Methos at September 13, 2011 04:43 PM (sOXQX)

Yeah.  ObamneyCare is all I've got, too.

And before Paris or JackStraw or some of the others start in: I have no problem (well, okay, a little problem, but not enough to keep me home) voting for Romney in the General.  I just do not see how someone liberal enough to be elected in MA with a veto-proof Democrat legislative majority can be the more conservative candidate.

59 >>>After the primaries are over we need to have a thread wherein the filthy, knuckle-dragging rednecks from flyover country make up with the effete, condescending bicoastal latte-sippers. Should be epic. AFTER the primaries are over...? Well that's a neat idea!

60 effete, condescending You left out "whiney, candy-assed..." And, N/E Fauxcontardfucks.

61 Effin Primaries!  How do they work?!

62 >>>Romney, and I am not a fan, pretty well cleaned up last night at least from where I was sitting. I thought he was weak. Agree to disagree, then. I thought he was really good the first one. In this one, he was doing trivial debating-points crap.

63 Darn the Sock

64 Doubtful, unless she walks back from this vaccination nonsense.

HHS it is. She can dismantle it while Palin dismantles Energy.

65 OT: Why are Obama and his helpers pictured on Drudge pouring slop into our troughs without hair nets? (Gak! What is that stuff?)

66 After the primaries are over we need to have a thread wherein the filthy, knuckle-dragging rednecks from flyover country make up with the effete, condescending bicoastal latte-sippers. Should be epic.

Isn't that called The General Election?

67

Intel on NY-9:

Election day is just going on as any other day per my friend on the ground in Brooklyn. He predicts Turner by 4 to 5, word on the street is they want to punish Weiner for what he did, and Obama.

Turner wanted an injunction againt absentees due to gross mismanagement of them, and seems like a judge awarded it.

 

68 Barry is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

On this we can all agree, yes?
Posted by: toby928™ at September 13, 2011 04:42 PM

Nope.

We're understating the extent of Osama Obama's stuttering clusterf***edness of miserable failure.

I blame Ace. The bowdlerized version just doesn't cut it somehow.

69 He gave MA universal health care. Which definitely doesn't funnel state resources to Mexican invaders.

True. Most of the illegals here are Brazillian.

70 Darn the Sock

That's where you say "Darn" as you throw away a sock with a hole in it, right?

71 Bachmann's statement today is a perfect example of why she CANNOT be the GOP nominee. 

72 Most of the illegals here are Brazillian.

That's illegal?

73 71, I can sew, Bitches. I throw no sock away. It will be darned.

74 >>And before Paris or JackStraw or some of the others start in: I have no problem (well, okay, a little problem, but not enough to keep me home) voting for Romney in the General I know you will. Just as I have said numerous times I would vote for Perry. People here who claim they won't support whomever our nominee is are either liars or fools. I don't think you are either one.

75 I thought he was really good the first one. In this one, he was doing trivial debating-points crap.

Perry, with a big assist from Newt, defused his SS attack right quick this time around.  I think that actually led him to offer a stronger performance.

76 Later good people things to do.

77

HHS it is.

Or would you want her in a post that's as far removed from health care as possible -- say, head of the Internal Revenue Servi--

oh, ...

78 Perry's to win.

79

Where is Pawlenty in this poll?  HeÂ’s obviously the most qualified, so why did they leave him off?

Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2011 04:45 PM

That you, "Poppin' Fresh?"

Must be damn hard for "Captain Ed," what with T-Paw doing the RINO boogaloo and now shrill, my-way-or-the-highway Michelle Malkin pooping in his cornflakes.

Probably hasn't been this uncomfortable since the day his hair fell out.

80 Bachmann can go fuck herself for her attacks on Gardasil. Santorum took the right approach to hitting Perry on this issue. I always thought Bachmann was a reactionary harpie, now I have proof.

81

I eat bacon-flavored pudding in my finest plaid shorts.

Posted by: CAC at September 13, 2011 04:42 PM (LdSq+)

This comes real close to pudding abuse.

82 I thought he was weak. Agree to disagree, then.

Romney was pretty weak for the first half, so anyone who tuned in early to see what was going on and went back to the game probably sees it like ace. I don't think Romney improved much in the second half, it was more a matter of Perry wobbling on the crony capitalism thing (I don't think the evidence is as damning as Bachmann does, but then again her campaign is drowning) and, let's face it, falling apart on immigration.

Perry's still the best in the field all-around, but he needs to get some nuance worked into that shit.

83

This comes real close to pudding abuse.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 13, 2011 04:51 PM (ENKCw)

 

...while riding in my Volvo.

84 72 Most of the illegals here are Brazillian.

That's illegal?

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 04:48 PM (OhYCU)

Only the men.  Women can stay.

85
53 Doubtful, unless she walks back from this vaccination nonsense.

Which, according to some of the commenters who listened to her on Hannity's show, she's not doing.

So, I should move that from doubtful to unlikely categories? some people double down on stupidity.

See: Mitt "I love RomneyCare" Romney. The only thing I like about RomneyCare is that it was inflicted on Massachusetts and not the USofA...

86

I want to be the Secretary of the Department of Departments. 

It's my turn now.

87 26Any Intell on the NY-9 Election ????

Posted by: George Simonton at September 13, 2011 04:39 PM (48wze)

 

I did some digging and...nothing yet.  There's a guy who posts here, I think he's called Chris from NY-9, and he's done the heavy lifting on the NY-9 race for the morons.  He lives in the district, and he's had a lot of great input on this race.  Hopefully, there will be a Special Elections post later, and if there is I'm sure he'll be contributing big-time.  Until then, I guess no news is good news.

88 Romney confuses me. He pisses me off with his cheap pandering on the SS issue, and yet I can understand the political calculation behind this move. His Romneycare millstone is permanent. But, then he goes off on Perry's Dream Act nonsense and makes a very conservative case against providing incentives for illegal immigration. He wants the Churchill bust back in the Oval Office. And I do think he knows what the government can do to create a business-friendly climate. He speaks very well, and seems quick on his feet, with the capability to really go after Obama.

89 64 Doubtful, unless she walks back from this vaccination nonsense.

HHS it is. She can dismantle it while Palin dismantles Energy.

That has quite a bit of merit, actually...

90 Mitt "I love RomneyCare" Romney. The only thing I like about RomneyCare is that it was inflicted on Massachusetts and not the USofA...

Yeah except Romneycare is an ideological difference. Bachmann's just shitting on medical science by jumping aboard the Jenny McCarthy train. McCarthy's gambit has put the lives of children across the world at risk, and if Bachmann is supporting the "vaccines cause autism" shit by implication, I could never support her. Never.

91

Perry should just hire Newt to be his designated hitter in these dumbshit debates.

He could then just stand back and look Presidential, until the debates with Obama, where he could shine by reducing the Stuttering Clusterfuck to a quivering bowl of jello with his icy stare.

92 Bachmann's permanently tainted with the crazy, now. No one will want her anywhere near their administration.

93

I was starting to like Romney again until last night's debate.  The guy is just too much of a politician.  I really didn't like the way he was defending SS as constitutional and "good."  Done with him.

Still don't like Perry though.  I like a lot of what he's saying right now, but I just know him too well, he's a liar and I don't think he's electable. 

I wish Paul was more popular, people won't even give him a chance to explain himself.  The GOP is just rabidly anti-Muslim and this clouds people from even considering another point of view.  More than this it's a Evangelical-style busy-body attitude that America can do no wrong.  Piss on everybody else, our way or the highway.  You don't like us, you don't think like us, screw you, you're in the wrong.  I really think this will be our undoing.  We lip service the Constitution when it comes to Obamacare and taxes, but somehow those same rules don't apply to our absolutely insane and wildly-out-of-proportion-with-reality military spending.  All because of 19 dudes with boxcutters... they seriously turned us upside down.  Paul does have kind of a crazy old man look and feel, but what he says is right on the money and he couldn't be more consistent.

I like Cain a lot, but that guy is just too uninformed.

Bachman, nag, nag, nag, nag, nag. 

I think we're screwed personally   Romney has best chance against  Obama probably, but he's a RINO.  I really just don't like any of them. 

94 Bachmann's just shitting on medical science by jumping aboard the Jenny McCarthy train.

Is she?  I thought that was science these days.

Certainly a single anecdotal data point is enough in economics for the neo-Keynesians.

95 two-man race my ass...

96
Turner wanted an injunction againt absentees due to gross mismanagement of them, and seems like a judge awarded it.

I'm surprised. No, not that absentees ballots are being mismanaged, grossly or otherwise, but that a judge gave a Republican an injunction.

97 The GOP is just rabidly anti-Muslim

Yup, no reason for that whatsoever, paulbot.

98 Douglas Macneil Biochemist Merck Q3-2008 $1,445 donation to John McCain ***** Michele Johnson Exec Director Merck Q3-2008 $1,100 donation to John McCain ******* Lisa Johnson-Pratt Marketing/ Physician Merck $700 donation to John McCain ****** Vladimir Hogenhuis General Manager Merck $400 donation to John McCain Barbara Arthurs Analyst Merck Q3-2008 $300 donation to John McCain Charles Thompson Scientist Merck Q1-2008 $250 donation to John McCain David Leach Marketing Manager Merck Q3-2008 $250 donation to John McCain Ray Miller Manufacturing Worker Merck Q2-2008 $250 donation to John McCain ***** Remember Palin was on the McCain/Palin ticket. I could go through the names of the board of directors in 2008 but that would be a bitch.

99 My anti-Muslim attitude has nothing to do with Paul being absolutely f*cking crazy. And his line that we are to blame for 9/11 is offensive and deranged all at the same time. Don't build a wall on the border because they'll try to keep us from leaving? Absolutely batshit, f*cking insane.

100 Basically Big Pharma donated some $44,000 to the McCain?Palin campaign.

101 Romney, IMO, did not do well in the debate.  He spoke so fast  and seemed to come across as frantic.  If I have no choice, I will vote for him, but I like Perry-and God have mercy-Gingrich, and think both of them did better than Romney.  I really liked the way Perry shrugged off all the attacks on him.  And, of course, Obama is just a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

102 Romney confuses me.

Me, too.  Like I said, it seem strange to me that he was Moderate-to-liberal enough for MA (it is quite frequently pointed out that he had to deal with a (super?) majority Dem legislature), and yet we should be sure he's conservative enough.

I think this point merits some discussion- Is he just a political chameleon who will say whatever it takes to get elected- regardless of his own beliefs?  Is he truly conservative (if so, please present evidence)?  Or was he really liberal enough that the same people who voted in very liberal Democrats felt safe voting him into office as well?

Cause, as I see them, the two of those three that are most likely are 1 and 3.

Yeah except Romneycare is an ideological difference.

And that actually makes me think more highly of Romney than of Bachman.  Her "Gardisil causes Down's Syndrome" statement was beyond stupid, but I'm more incensed by her allegation of criminal corruption in the Gardisil EO issue.

103 edit: Big Pharma donated some $44,000 to the McCain/Palin campaign.

104 Perry's suggestion that those who have a problem with his Dream Act are bigots turned me right off.

105 Perry's suggestion that those who have a problem with his Dream Act are bigots turned me right off.

That didn't help, no.

106

Posted by: Dave at September 13, 2011 05:03 PM (Xm1aB)

well I can't speak for Perry for as someone who is not for the Dream Act I have personally seen some bigoted attitudes towards hispanics by some parts of the GOP base but it could just be a crazy minority part which all sides have

107

Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 05:03 PM (brQV4)

I dont give a crap that they donated to them but when Palin starts being mrs. above it all, hypocrisy should be pointed out

108
Yeah except Romneycare is an ideological difference.

Yeah, and so are most of my disagreements with the Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

As is my disagreement with Perry on immigration. Bachman...*sigh* *shakes head*

I can make-do with a bunch of illegals better than I can with ObamneyCare. And short of passing stealth legislation in the middle of the night, amnesty and things like DREAM Act are off the board. No matter how much Perry might like them.

That said, if Ron Paul somehow manages to get on the top of the ticket, I'll pull the lever...errr, mark the dot, for him. I'll also hold my nose and pray a lot.

Probably for forgivness...

109

I was shocked to hear Palin channel Baucman last night.  I'm done with both.  Palin was already getting on my nerves with her drag-out-itus, but it was driving the MFM crazier than me so I "was" ok with it.   Now that Perry is in the race, it's time for the GOP to close ranks.  Fight it out ok, but no head-shots.

Not too much blood in the water would be better than the establishment and MFM picking Romney for us only for 6 years worth of new dirt to come out at him in the general.  They will hammer him and make him appear unelectable to a vast number of us, hoping we'll stay home.

Perry will take Baucman out in Iowa and she'll be done.  He will be a close second in NH and will win SC.  By SC, the bottom six better drop out.... and please god, no Perry/Romney ticket... noooo to Romney... period.

I'll vote for anyone but Obama, but I'd really like some states-rights and small government conservatives to take the reins...

110 Perry's suggestion that those who have a problem with his Dream Act are bigots turned me right off.

Not bigots, just know-nothing nativist xenophobes.

111 Is she?  I thought that was science these days.

You're behind. The dude who came up with the vaccines-cause-autism study has been shown to have faked his data, and the journal the published that study has apologized for getting snookered, and withdrawn their approval.

There is even some talk about criminal fraud charges in England, as I recall.

112

Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 13, 2011 05:02 PM (6IV8T)

I think he learned from the SS stuff but i'm hoping he'll learn now that it seems he's gonna get gang-banged for wanting to protect kids from cancer. he needs to sharpen his Dream Act replies as well. It's just 2 debates but he seems to be learning the whole campaigning on a national scene as he goes.

113 seems like a judge awarded it. When you've lost the liberal judges, you've lost.

114 Sorry to Bachman... misspelled her name... must have been the vacs I had back in the day...

115 Had Perry said something like "Listen folks, we've got innocent kids who were brought here illegally by their parents who have lived all their life in Texas and who have grown up going to school in Texas who want to go to college--I just can't punish them for the sins of their parents.....", then I would have remained firmly on the Perry bandwagon. But no, he had to go the La Raza route. Bad, perhaps fatal, mistake.

116 Like I said.
If it's A or B then Perry.
Otherwise Santorum is my current #1.

117 I have personally seen some bigoted attitudes towards hispanics by some parts of the GOP base but it could just be a crazy minority part which all sides have

It is a minority opinion, but it's much more pervasive than racism against blacks or antisemitism.

118 You're behind. The dude who came up with the vaccines-cause-autism study has been shown to have faked his data, and the journal the published that study has apologized for getting snookered, and withdrawn their approval.

So?  That happens in climate science all the time.  It's still SCIENCE! and we all must believe.

119 AuthorLMendez Yep. Me neither. It's just the damned hypocrisy and let me just add it was probably a lot easier for Sarah Palin to govern Alaska pop. 721,000 even though she quit and I dare say- Texas pop. 25,145,560 would be just a tad more difficult.

120

give him some slack Dave.... this was NOT Perry's issue... it was voted in by veto-proof numbers in the legislature... and I think it was 2000 when he first took over from Bush 43 as governor.   Cut. Him. Some. Slack.  

 

He didn't propose it and it wouldn't have mattered if he was against it....

121 @120 That's all well and good. Why didn't he explain it that way instead of suggesting opponents of the act are bigoted? He didn't have to go there, but he did.

122 Wait...did I say "quit"!? Maybe that's too harsh.... Before she "opted-out".

123

97,99 - Classic example of what I'm talking about. When did Paul BLAME America for 9/11? Try seeing past the ends of your own nose.

True or False that the USA has bases in virtually all Middle Eastern countries? True or False that the USA props up illegitimate and incredibly brutal regimes in the ME?

It's simply a statement of fact. This statement of fact isn't blaming America. The blame goes on the terrorists. It's simply analyzing the motives of the terrorists. The standard line is that they attacked us because they hate us because we're free, they were "attacking freedom." It's just absolute folly.  No honest person with any experience in that part of the world would support this nonsense. 

If you want to see people that hate freedom, look at the DNC roster, not random Muslims living in the ME.

DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

124 When I'm the only entrant in this Three-Legged Race, who wins? You do, ladies. You do.

125

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 05:15 PM (PLHIl)

heh

126 The Dream Act claim should be dismissed.  Perry made it clear that the federal government had pretty much tied his hands, and I took his explanation as trying to make the best of the situation he was dealt.  I also think that we (the repubs) should make it clear that we do not think all Mexicans or illegals are gang-bangers or part of the cartel.  Some people do want an education and to better themselves.
That is how I understood his remark that people who disagree with him are bigots.But, as I say, I was also impressed with Gingrich, so take what I say with lots of salt.

127 104
Perry's suggestion that those who have a problem with his Dream Act are bigots turned me right off.   He's basically where GWB, McCain, and Graham are on the issue of illegal immigration.

128

He didn't propose it and it wouldn't have mattered if he was against it....

Posted by: Yip in Texas at September 13, 2011 05:12 PM (cQhQZ)

I think Dave's point isn't the issue itself, which is defensible, but the idea that you can't have a principled discussion about illegal immigration without the idea of "bigotry" coming up.

129

What a steaming pile of Obama fertilizer.  Perry and Romney are duds, each appearance demonstrating why they are the Bobbsie twins of the welfare state.

 

Someone remind me why I should vote for them?  If Obama wanted an opponent he could beat he couldn't have done better than these two RINOs.

130
Deer Rick Perry:

Get those silly notions of amnesty/DREAM Act nonsense out of your haid. And maybe building a fence on our side of the Rio Grande isn't the best use of resources, but the rest of it? build it, build it as fast as humanly possible.

Maybe fill the Rio Grande with crocodiles? that works for me.

131

Dave, I don't know why he hasn't explained it like that except that he might have been told to embrace it and may actually support it.  The dynamic here in Texas is different... esp south Texas where it is a VERY different dynamic.  I still support him and hope that he better articulates his defenses, and does not fall prey to the Bush line, where you take false accusations and allow the political enemy to frame the debate until it becomes the new baseline... unable to deny or fight the smear with context and truth.

For wanting to rein in the Federal Reserve and kill the regulatory enviornment in Washington DC is enough for me...  

 

 

132 So?  That happens in climate science all the time.  It's still SCIENCE! and we all must believe.

Let me know when any of the global warmist solutions lead to infants dying of measles. The quackery about vaccinations is the exact same line of thought that's lead to millions dying of malaria in Africa due to Carson's Silent Spring diatribe against DDT. I don't really get that fired up about most political issues, but when those positions directly lead to the deaths of people who have no say in the matter, I get livid. This is anti-science.

133 @126 Opponents of illegal immigrating don't care about the ethnicity of the illegal immigrant. Conservatives and Republicans need not make it clear that we like Mexicans--there is no valid reason to do so since the suggestion of bigotry is itself false. The suggestion otherwise is absolutely offensive. Perry shot himself in the foot. He may be able to stop the bleeding, but he better "clarify" his position soon or he's in trouble.

134 True or False that the USA has bases in virtually all Middle Eastern countries?

False.  But, in fact, when Paul made his statement about our troops being in, what, 130 countries, he included Marines who guard the embassies.

So on top of everything else, Ron Paul is a deceitful little worm.

135 99, I will agree though about the border fence comment, that was a bit loony.  I don't think though he was suggesting that as a possibility but rather using that as a context to think about the "Americaness" or doing something like that.  Personally I'm against the fence, absolute waste of money.  Studies show it won't do anything.  Illegals arent' our problem, the free social services we give them is.  Get rid of the services and they'll go away on their own.  Get rid of the minimum wage so employers can hire citizens as cheaply as illegals. 

136

Amishdude.... I agree.  I'm not happy with any remarks like " that's bigoted" that slam the door on honest debate.  That is the way the left argue and we should be able to stay above that....

Inarticulate and I hope he gets better...    He needs some help in coaching and reading the electorate. 

137 This is anti-science.

Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 13, 2011 05:19 PM (TUax9)

No, it's pro-science, because they are scientists and we must believe whatever they say.  And those other "scientists" are just working for big pharma.

138  edit: Big Pharma donated some $44,000 to the McCain/Palin campaign.

Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 05:03 PM (brQV4)

More specifically, Merck employees donated that much.

Wouldn't much matter until crony capitalism is brought up in the conversation by one of the beneficiaries of those donations, and whose state employed federal aid to help put the Merck product into mass useage in aforementioned state.

139

It takes a real druggie to believe the State should be able to inject anyone for any reason it deems "good."  Too bad Romney and Perry believe the State has the power to do this.

 

I guess this means all the Romney-Perry supporters out there are crazy and/or support Obamacare.

140

134, I personally have been on military bases in almost every middle eastern country.  I've been on military bases in Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Turkey, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Oman, and Afghanistan.  And I know of an even longer list that I haven't personally set foot on.  Care to try again?

Without exception, every single monarch/dictator in the Arabian peninsula was put in power by the West, mostly the British/French empires.  Post WW2 the USA has stepped into that role though of keeping these people in power.  We can debate about the full extent of our influence/support, but it's the indisputable truth.

And notice I didn't mention Israel, but obviously that's a pretty darn big one too.

 

141 It takes a real druggie to believe the State should be able to inject anyone for any reason it deems "good."  Too bad Romney and Perry believe the State has the power to do this.

Vaccination is an entirely mainstream view, held by almost all Americans.

You can argue that it's wrong, and probably make a very good case, but that does put you on the fringe.

You shouldn't be surprised that every major candidate supports something that almost all Americans support.

142 Perry's suggestion that those who have a problem with his Dream Act are bigots turned me right off.

I didn't catch that... and I don't like the race card. Ever.

I have lived in TX since 1978. A lot of Mexicans and TexMex's live here too, and have for generations. Therein lies the problem.

I was against this act, but it was very popular here, IIRC. I think there were only 4 votes against it in the legislature.

The political impact has been quite good.... for 'pubbies. In fact, the 2010 election was a watershed event for TexMex politicians. A lot were elected as 'pubbies. More switched parties afterward to the 'pubbie side. 'pubbies=strong. dhims=weak.

Why, as someone once said, people want to follow a strong horse, not a weak horse.

I am complete ABO, but I much prefer Rick to Mitt.

143 "I didn't catch that... and I don't like the race card. Ever."

Actually, though I defend Perry a lot, I kinda caught that too with his 'no matter what your last name is' thing.

However, he wasn't targeting anyone in particular.  That was, at minimum, a play for hispanics.  Perry deserves criticism on immigration generally, but mainly I think for not supporting E-Verify.

144 Perry are the only people who think Romney did poorly. He was the obvious winner.

Besides, that was just Gallup.

Rasmussen shows Romney holding strong against Obama, while Perry has fallen behind Obama.

In PPP, Perry was behind Obama by six and is now behind eleven. Romney is still trailing Obama by 5.

145 The old conventional wisdom? You mean that Pawlenty was the man to beat? Or was it Gingrich?

146

#141

 

A fringe view.  Projecting aren't you?  If the government said you had to take a vaccine to ward off STDs you believe most Americans would accept this?

 

I think you have demonstrated exactly how extreme you are.  But then again you probably need this sort of shot, although the disease has rotten most of your mind all ready. 

147 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

148 A fringe view.  Projecting aren't you?

Um, no.  Almost every parent in the nation gladly vaccinates their children, and is glad that most of their children's peers are vaccinated.

149 although the disease has rotten most of your mind all ready.

HPV doesn't affect the brain.  My mind rot is from entirely different causes.

150

A fringe view.  Projecting aren't you?  If the government said you had to take a vaccine to ward off STDs you believe most Americans would accept this? 

Posted by: Molon Labe at September 13, 2011 06:17 PM (S7K8x)

For years we've had Hep B vaccine requirements. "

Hepatitis B is transmitted through blood and infected bodily fluids. This can occur through:

direct blood-to-blood contactunprotected sexunsterile needlesfrom an infected woman to her newborn during the delivery process.

Other possible routes of infection include sharing sharp instruments such as razors, toothbrushes or earrings.  Body piercing, tattooing and acupuncture are also possible routes of infection unless sterile needles are used

Hepatitis B is NOT transmitted casually. It cannot be spread through sneezing, coughing, hugging or eating food prepared by someone who is infected with hepatitis B. Everyone is at some risk for a hepatitis B infection, but some groups are at higher risk because of their occupation or life choices."

151 Well, that didn't format right did it. It's from hepb.org. Too lazy to do tinyurl for a comment that no one will see.

152 " A woman just cried hysterically to me that these new polling scores gave her pet chinchilla a learning disability."

*snicker*

153 24 William T Sherman:  I may never forgive you.

154

#148:

Okay Burger, I'm from the government and you need to take this vaccine (the same one we gave to some black prisoners) but surely you don't mind.

Yes you have a fringe view and your mind has been warped.  Most Americans do not want the government dictating what is put into their bodies, you might notice that if you ever bothered to read the Constitution.

But I forgot, with your condition you can't possibly be capable of reading or absorbing what is obvious to the casual observer rather than repeating bumper sticker slogans.

155

#150

 

Stace:

 

The government mandates HepB  injections?  Pray tell where are they mandatory. 

 

Now with your amazing intellect where did I specify Hep B.  I said STDs of which Hep B is not known as a primarily sexually transmitted disease.  So I guess you are projecting like Burgerboy.  Who seems to know what strangers think but which evidence contradicts.

The issue remains whether the government has the right to mandate medical treatment that does not impact public safety.  I hope you do not share the views of the Burger, since you appear to have some knowledge of medical conditions. 

 

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