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December 05, 2011

Newt Dissed Trump as "Manipulating the Game" in 1989
— Ace

Slate is promoting this as a potentially awkward quote for the upcoming debate.

[Q]uotas send exactly the wrong signal to poor people. It says that they are going to get justice through political action and that justice is going to redress the past. That is simply, historically, not true. It's not the way the world works. The more power there is in a political system, the more the powerful exploit it. New York hasn't ended up a dream world for the poor. It has become a place where Donald Trump manipulates the game.

Pretty cogent point, awkwardness aside. Is New York a dream world for the poor? How about San Francisco?

How about DC? How about Detroit?

And a damned fine point that the more powerful a government is, the more justifications it has to favor and disfavor citizens and transfer wealth and rights between them, the more the powerful actually gain.

Because, let's face it: Warren Buffet is always going to get his phone calls answered, isn't he?

For those poor people who think Charles Schumer is their White Knight: Try calling him on the phone. See if you get through.

You know who gets through every single time? The big bankers he actually serves as Senator to.

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1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 05, 2011 11:17 AM (8y9MW)

2 the more powerful a government is, the more justifications it has to favor and disfavor citizens and transfer wealth and rights between them

I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again: Liberty exists in inverse proportion to the size and scope of Government.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 05, 2011 11:18 AM (8y9MW)

3 A good observation. Leftist cities are crappy for everyone but those at the top. Rule of law breaks down, crime goes unreported and unpunished, basic services degrade and fall apart. But if you can buy city hall, life isn't so bad.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 05, 2011 11:19 AM (xUM1Q)

4 Anybody who has been in the game for any length of time will be quoted on a whole hosts of topics, especially if they actually ever did anything . Which brings us to a guy like obama who never did anything and has no record. Enough said

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 05, 2011 11:23 AM (i6RpT)

5 They'll have to tell me where what he said was wrong in some way before I give a shit about it.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 05, 2011 11:24 AM (UK9cE)

6 So you think Newt would answer your call the same as he would Buffet's? It's called fucking reality not some government conspiracy to keep the man down. Populist gibberish.

Posted by: Todd 3465 at December 05, 2011 11:25 AM (LNRLz)

Perhaps a more fruitful approach would be an examination of what the incumbent did...last week for instance, never mind 1989.

If no one showed up for this stupid Trump thing, perhaps then we would be free of the not-so-successful-as-he-makes-everyone-believe BS artist.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 05, 2011 11:26 AM (B+qrE)

For those poor people who think Charles Schumer is their White Knight: Try calling him on the phone. See if you get through.

You know who gets through every single time? The big bankers he actually serves as Senator to.

Dude... ouch. I felt that one, and I consider Schumer is a weasel of the worst kind.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 05, 2011 11:26 AM (SY2Kh)

9 The real question is, is what did Newtie-boy say when he was 8 years old? That is the real question

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at December 05, 2011 11:26 AM (MPtFW)

10 Everybody calm down. I accept Newt's compliment.

Posted by: The Donald at December 05, 2011 11:27 AM (Xm1aB)

11 Hell. Yes.

Gingrich would stand by it, ask Trump if it was still true ...

And Trump, with no embarrassment at all would say yes.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 05, 2011 11:27 AM (Qxe/p)

12 His wife was quoted as saying "I'd like to do more for Newt on the campaign trail but these constant headaches are making it difficult. Thank God I have quality health insurance via my family's asbestos removal business. I should be fine."

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 05, 2011 11:29 AM (H/kgP)

13 President Goldman Sachs isn't really for the little guy?

Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2011 11:30 AM (I2LwF)

14 Well I hope someone at this debate uses Trump as an example of cronyism. That would really make it worth watching.

Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 05, 2011 11:31 AM (xXhWA)

15 Liberals don't believe in a larger, more powerful federal government because they're opposed to special interests having disproportionate influence.

They're only opposed to the wrong special interests having too much influence. Unions, environmental activist organizations, "community activist" groups- they're all for giving those groups as much influence as they can get.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 05, 2011 11:31 AM (SY2Kh)

16 Poor people get their calls picked up....after they bundle $500000.

Posted by: torabora at December 05, 2011 11:32 AM (jyTQp)

17 I am just saying, Perry is not out of this game yet.

If we can make this race be about what it should have been from the beginning: Big Govt. vs Small (or, at least, Smaller) Govt, Perry wins. That's part, I think, of why Tardisil and Immigration threw him completely- he was seeing the election as a Size & Scope of Government election, and these other things threw him completely.

Does anyone really answer those questions better than Perry? RON! PAUL! doesn't (he only believes Government should be limited when it's not advantageous to him for it to be without limits), and Rick Santorum doesn't, because he's anti-10th Amendment.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 05, 2011 11:32 AM (8y9MW)

18 Any government powerful enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to take away everything you have.

Posted by: Shit Jefferson May Or May Not Have Said, Vol. 17 at December 05, 2011 11:33 AM (RD7QR)

19 Oh glory-did you guys follow all of the links-you find this: Volume 25, No. 2, May 1989 A Conversation with Newt Gingrich Ripon Forum: To some degree your recent election to the post of House minority whip was the result of support by such moderate Republicans as Olympia Snowe, Claudine Schneider and Bill Frenzel. How do you plan to involve moderates in formulating legislation? Gingrich: There's no question that I would not be House Republican whip if activists in the moderate wing had not supported me. I carried New England by seven to three: I was nominated by Bill Frenzel; Olympia Snowe seconded my nomination; and others like Steve Gunderson and Claudine Schneider played major roles. So I regard my election as a coalition victory for activists of all the ideological views of the Republican Party.

Posted by: tasker at December 05, 2011 11:34 AM (r2PLg)

Newt pinched my ass back in 97.

Next to the coffee stand in the Rotunda, with his left hand...

On a Friday afternoon, in June.

His breath smelled like Jim Beam and a cheap cigar.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at December 05, 2011 11:35 AM (8ieXv)

21 Wait! There's more! Ripon Forum: But beyond personnel selections, on what issues will you involve moderates? Gingrich: To really understand my hopes, let me give you an outline of my way of thinking. Activities occur at four levels. The top level is vision, the next level is strategy, and after that follow projects and tactics. Our larger vision is to develop a caring, humanitarian reform party. That's an interesting term, by the way, because [former White House chief of staff] Ken Duberstein said it ought to be caring; my wife said it ought to be humanitarian; and Steve Gunderson said it ought to be reform.

Posted by: tasker at December 05, 2011 11:37 AM (r2PLg)

22 As Confucius said:
Money talks, bullshit walks.

Posted by: real joe at December 05, 2011 11:37 AM (30+Gl)

23 Speaking for Detroit, since we are now very close to an Emergency Financial Manager, a position akin to absolute dictator, broke, busted, disgusted, and about to become farmland, mostly, I have to say that this is most likely not a dream world for humans of any kind, including the Democrats. Well, not anymore.

Posted by: lazy american fool/clown clinging bitterly to my guns at December 05, 2011 11:38 AM (wN82N)

24 His breath smelled like Jim Beam and a cheap cigar. Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at December 05, 2011 03:35 PM (8ieXv) That was Wild Turkey but you do know a cheap cigar when you smell one hey nancy?

Posted by: Newt at December 05, 2011 11:38 AM (i6RpT)

Trump revealed proudly on national TV that he had scammed Qaddafi, by renting him land and not letting him use it anyway. I dont mind if he does it to Qaddafi, but what kind of businessman goes on national TV afterwards and brags about being a crook?

The Daily Show is seldom right or funny, but Lewis Black commentary on Trump was spot on.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 05, 2011 11:39 AM (97AKa)

26 Man who stand on toilet, high on pot.

Posted by: Confucius at December 05, 2011 11:39 AM (oyHpA)

@2 I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again: Liberty exists in inverse proportion to the size and scope of Government.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 05, 2011 03:18 PM (8y9MW)

Stop by for Coffee sometime. Liberty!

Posted by: lazy american fool/clown clinging bitterly to my guns at December 05, 2011 11:42 AM (wN82N)

His breath smelled like Jim Beam and a cheap cigar.

Now I'm more likely to vote for him.

Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2011 11:43 AM (I2LwF)

29 Posted by: lazy american fool/clown clinging bitterly to my guns at December 05, 2011 03:42 PM (wN82N)

Drop the single-issue pot-heads, and I'll think about it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 05, 2011 11:44 AM (8y9MW)

30 Off topic: This is fabulous: 'The Muppets' a communist Trojan horse?"

omg....too interesting to pass up.....

Posted by: merry at December 05, 2011 11:45 AM (oZfic)

31 If this is the best the MSM can come up with, it's pretty weak

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 05, 2011 11:45 AM (i6RpT)

32 Newt pinched my ass back in 97.

That's OK, Nan, by now that area is just below the nape of your neck anyway, so what's the problem?

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 05, 2011 11:47 AM (2PTT7)

33 This post illustrates the whole Romney-Gingrich-who-would-be-more-unreliable argument.

The case against Gingrich is that he will occasionally deviate from his core of conservative political ideology. Thus a plethora of conservative quotes from the Newtster in the past, and his history of numerous deviations from it.

The case against Romney is that he will will say anything to get elected, but his flip-flops do not display any particular betrayal of his ideology.

Because he has none, other than to say or do anything to get elected.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at December 05, 2011 11:48 AM (kPT11)

34 Anybody but Mitt

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 05, 2011 11:49 AM (E6Fj1)

Drop the single-issue pot-heads, and I'll think about it.

I took the quiz and damned if I wasn't a libertarian!

Of course, when you only ask ten questions that would appeal to Conservatives...

Posted by: ErikW at December 05, 2011 11:49 AM (oyHpA)

36 The case against Romney is that he will will say anything to get elected, but his flip-flops do not display any particular betrayal of his ideology.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at December 05, 2011 03:48 PM (kPT11)

Hahaha good one.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 05, 2011 11:50 AM (E6Fj1)

37 If his breath smelled of Valu-right Vodka I'd be out campaigning for him right now.

Posted by: GergS at December 05, 2011 11:51 AM (2okAn)

38 Of course, when you only ask ten questions that would appeal to Conservatives...

I still came in as "Conservative." I have a problem with absolutes, when it comes to some of their ideological questions.

I'm, personally, very libertarian. However, I try to be more practical in my policy outlook.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 05, 2011 11:51 AM (8y9MW)

39 Newt has a lot of baggage, much of which the public has forgotten. The question is whether they will care when reminded, especially when considering Newt succeeded as Speaker in some key areas and now claims to be a changed man. Is he less egotistical and more disciplined and grounded now? Does it even matter?

Posted by: Miss'80s at December 05, 2011 11:53 AM (d6QMz)

It's going to be a couple weeks, and I don't want to be a lawyer. I may not ever try to pass the bar. I want a JD to make me seem more serious. Additionally, the course of study I'm on will get me a Masters of Public Admin too.

My goal is to work somewhere in the process of crafting legislation. Eithre a think tank or Congressional aide.

Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2011 11:54 AM (I2LwF)

41 Eithre a think tank or Congressional aide. Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2011 03:54 PM (I2LwF) Or a drunk tank?

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 05, 2011 11:55 AM (i6RpT)

42 Poor people get their calls picked up....after they bundle $500000.

Hirary arways pick up a phone when I caw at free am.

Posted by: Chinese Waiter at December 05, 2011 11:56 AM (od603)

43 So he dissed Trump. So what? Let Trump ask him about it, and then have Newt ask him how a billionaire declares bankruptcy. Four times.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2011 11:56 AM (7vSU0)

44 @32 Drop the single-issue pot-heads, and I'll think about it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 05, 2011 03:44 PM (8y9MW)

Liberty is freedom live your life as you choose, without harm to others.

Pot, Drugs, Alcohol, Tobacco, Coke Or Pepsi, Meat or Vegan, etc, are all personal choices, and whether I agree with, dislike, disdain, or outright object to your choices, they are yours to make, and just as you do not have the right to deny me my choices, I do not have the right to deny you yours.

Liberty must work both ways.

Posted by: lazy american fool/clown clinging bitterly to my guns at December 05, 2011 11:57 AM (wN82N)

45 I still came in as "Conservative." I have a problem with absolutes, when it comes to some of their ideological questions.

I'm, personally, very libertarian. However, I try to be more practical in my policy outlook.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 05, 2011 03:51 PM (8y9MW)

Huh. Well, that sould make it obvious as to how deep a political thinker I am!

Posted by: ErikW at December 05, 2011 11:58 AM (oyHpA)

On more that one occasion, Newt would play pocket-pool during commitee meetings. Barbara and I asked him to control himself but that fap-fap-fap noise would-not-stop.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at December 05, 2011 11:59 AM (8ieXv)

Law school is only unworthy of the debt accrued if you have other options.

I'm never going to be able to create anything, buy anything, sell anything, or process anything. It's got to be a job about nothing.

Posted by: Truman North at December 05, 2011 12:01 PM (I2LwF)

48 Latest Gallup Poll shows that only Gingrich and Romney are acceptable by a majority of Republicans. Gingrich is at 62%-34% acceptability while Romney is at 54%-41% acceptability. Perry is at 41%-52% acceptability.

Posted by: Chris at December 05, 2011 12:02 PM (xzLHn)

49 What about Houston? What about Detroit? What about Pittsburg PA?

Posted by: Haiku Guy at December 05, 2011 12:03 PM (uI4yi)

Mrs Cricket & myself would like to see Newtie climb into The Donald's hair

Posted by: Cricket at December 05, 2011 12:08 PM (DrC22)

51 If only they'd let 18, 19, and 20 year olds vote, Perry would win hands down. Just saying, after weeks of misinterpreting every single word Cain said, trying to make his sentences seem like gaffes, this site could be filling up the pages with Perry's.

Posted by: doug at December 05, 2011 12:39 PM (gUGI6)

52 How about San Francisco?

Walk through the Mission district at night and check out all the schizophrenic people sleeping in garbage. That's your liberal compassion, right there.

Posted by: sandy burger at December 05, 2011 12:53 PM (ErTq7)

53 Thank you, Wicket. May I have another?
Thank you, Wicket. May I have another?

Posted by: candidates not named 'Perry' at Ace's at December 05, 2011 01:04 PM (sHY5w)

54 I was all in for Newt until THIS in 1989! That's it!!! AP doesn't like Newt either...I'm done!

Posted by: I have no hope at December 05, 2011 01:15 PM (MbeEN)

55 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at December 05, 2011 02:05 PM (7WJOC)

56 Poor Newt. Caught cheating a few times and caught cheating on his taxes. Fined 300 k. Like Geithner and Sebelius. Maybe those people like Newt- are all liars and thieves.

Is that the best the GOP can do? Apparently. Oh wait! There is a guy that never cheats, never inside trades, never even draws a paycheck. Fuck we can't have some honest guy like Ron Paul. We need another lying cheating elite cocksucker to defend.

I see how it is. Losing.

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