1 I'm still tilting at windmills, I'm still going for Perry. All uphill, all the way baby!

2 All is forgiven Newt! Just keep throwing the red meat out. /GOP base

3 Oh, in before Allen G. does the scoamf thing

4 and steevy, and a bunch of cool "new" guys

5 Like monologues, do you Max?

6 livin' on the west coast it's cool to dominate the top of a new thread.

7 One of the things I like about Gingrich is that hes the only guys on our side I have ever seen attempt to handle the media differently then the standard procedure "chin first, then act surprised by the groin kick." Hes no set the trap Breitbart but hes no Bush either.

8 Once more with feeling: All is forgiven Newt! Just keep throwing the red meat out.

9 MetaThought, your name is kind of a 5-D version of meta, maybe thats the [/substance] talking

10 Newt on Hannity, great interview

11 It's a strange world indeed when NOR LUAP starts making a lot of sense ...

12 I mean "meta" as a self referential concept.

13 Do explain further Max?

14 And now, goodnight. I seem to be just a wee bit bleary. Time to minus myself from the mincraft chess board.

15 I figured it was only 2, thinking about thinkng

16 Gnight

17 Didn't someone just publish an article the other day claiming that Gingrich was going to go easy on Obama?

18 MetaThought If you are into the Exegenisis crazy stuff read Grant Morrison's "Super Gods", or Kevin Kelly's "What Technology Wants", or if you are really for a bit o' fun, P.H.Dick has his "The Exegesis of Philip K. Dick" out now.

19 I've been figuring for a while that one approach to running against Obama was to run against the press and its protection of Obama.  Go to the 'Reagan Democrats' and other non-core-Obama-constuencies and tell them:

Look, you fucked up.  You really did.   You elected the worst SCOAMF this country's seen since James Buchanan.  Dick Nixon's ghost thanks you. 

But it's not your fault.

You listened to the press, and the press lied to you.  From the moment Obama dipped his toe in the water until, well, right now, the press has been hiding the truth about this man.

Now you have a chance to fix this, and tell these liars what you think of them..  

20 I mean, he's pining for the fiords, but the book is out now.

21 Seems like a dud to me. People who aren't of a certain age and college-educated are unlikely to know or care who Saul Alinsky was.

22

Oh, Jesus, I didn't see that this made the main page.

This is why Gingrich can win the primary.  Because he can go there without sounding all kinds of Ron Paul crazy.

The vast middle feels tricked by this guy.  They might not know that's how they feel, but they were sold A and they got, oh, about an F.  Not B, not even C-.  They got an "Incomplete" when they thought they were getting the A.  When someone (like Gingrich is doing) tells the vast middle, they are very likely to listen to him tell them why he's an F and not an A like they thought he was.

There are very few people in the middle who now need to be convinced that they made the wrong decision in 2008.  But they need to have a realistic reason why they did, or else they may consider making the same bad decision-- sort of like seeing the same barber over and over even though he doesn't really cut yoru hair well.  You do itbecause that's what you know.  Seeking out a new barber requires more effort than  living with the same substandard haircut.

Newt's asking you to try his haircuts out.  And that's one of the reasons he's leading in the not-Romney sweepstakes.

23 I'm starting to think Ace is going after the Red Eye demo with these graveyard shift posts.

24

When your job is writing words on the Interhole, the hour of the day matters very little.

 

25 There is no way Newt wins in the general election. And, sorry to tell you Ace, there is no way for Rick Perry to win in the general election. It's ironic, no? Ace, who has quite rightly attacked the Palinistas for ignoring her terrible, terrible poll numbers now ignores Perry's terrible, terrible poll numbers and pushes for him.

26 I can't wait for an Obama/Newt debate.

27 JEM sort of beat me to that point.

28 22 Seems like a dud to me. People who aren't of a certain age and college-educated are unlikely to know or care who Saul Alinsky was.

Posted by: Jordan at December 01, 2011 02:09 AM (XJYf4)

But the GOP base does and that's who its intended for.

29 It's about damn time the gloves come off. I wanna see bare knuckles, bloody noses, drop kicks and maybe nunchucks. That's just in the primary
 
At least this won't be a repeat of McCain making kissy faces at the SCoaMF. Cuz if anyone thinks he intends to play fair, they might as well fess up right now that they are mainlining the Tardisil.

30 Thanks Max, will check it out

31 Yeah, I don't think Gingrich can win the general.  My reasoning?  It's thin, but I think it stands up.  It's telegenics.  Nobody wants to vote for a crumpled up old cranky doughboy.

32 It would kind of nice if we had a president who actually put into action some of Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals. Eventually, of course, like everything else in society, Alinsky's Rules will become mainstream and will be taught starting in elementary school. (I 'spose it's not on topic to point out that Alinsky died in 1972, when Obama was, oh, about 11, and had yet to actually ever being in Chicago or Illinois. Or that Alinsky was praised by Wm F Buckley as "close to an organizational genius". Or that Alinsky's Reveille For Radicals was pretty much the book you had to have read to carry on a conversation with anyone in a campus coffee shop or bar for a period of about 15 years. Really, sometimes Ace's place gets awfully, awfully silly.

33 Oh yeah, Saul Alinsky, totally mainstream.  Come on now, you have to do better than that to protect King Putt.

34 Yeah, I don't think Gingrich can win the general. My reasoning? It's thin, but I think it stands up. It's telegenics. Nobody wants to vote for a crumpled up old cranky doughboy.

Posted by: Truman North

Just remember that Michelle Obama is the most beautiful woman in the world.

35 You know what else is mainstream?  Smashing capitalism with "OCCUPY" bumper stickers.  And throwing shit at policemen.

36 Want to know the name of another 'devotee' of Saul Alinsky? Dick Armey. Check it out; Armey was a huge fan. Alinsky's Rules inspired a good deal of the design from the corporate sponsored Tea Party organizations.

37 2008 MAXIM magazine Hot 100 had 99 women who were a size 2 or smaller and under age 25, and Michelle Obama.

38 "And if they think that this will poison the general electorate against Obama" I think you meant Gingrich, not Obama

39 I don't care if Newt was a lobbyist, it's not illegal.  His explanation for the drug benefit is extremely reasonable.  It still should have been paid for but then so should a lot of things that we borrow to cover.

40 Piss on Newt

41 csm, you're talking facts again.  we don't like facts around here!

42 That's the spirit, Vic.  btw, how's your treatments going?  I never have the wherewithal to ask nice in the morning.

43 42

Sorry, I'll try to watch it.

44 Holy cow, it's December already.

45 Yeah, I don't think Gingrich can win the general.  My reasoning?  It's thin, but I think it stands up.  It's telegenics.  Nobody wants to vote for a crumpled up old cranky doughboy.

Yeah, they'd rather keep the guy who destroyed their lives, because he looks better.

46 how's your treatments going?

On the pump until Friday now. So far so good. Won't really know how well they work until Spring, and even then can't be sure if surgery did all the good or chemo helped. .

47 Rasmussen has Gingrich beating Obama in the general. Everyone who responded to that poll knows what Gingrich looks like, so if they decide later not to vote for him, it'll be for reasons other than his looks.

48 I think America is ready to elect a crumpled up cranky dough boy.  The middle feels fooled by the MSM, or they will at least be willing to blame the MSM for their own shortsightedness in voting for Gay Barry.

The Right wants revenge against the MSM for all of televised history.

The MSM demanded telegenic looks. All the talking heads have been saying since JFK that you have to look good on TeeVee to win.

Newt's looks are another anti-MSM symbol. Look at Christie. He's a fatty fat fat and used it to his advantage.

49

Yeah, they'd rather keep the guy who destroyed their lives, because he looks better.

Have you watched cable news lately?  It's the quack who killed Michael Jackson interspaced with stories about Kim Kardashian.  And that's on CNBC!

50

Rasmussen has Gingrich beating Obama in the general.

 

Four years ago today, Ras had Giuliani beating John Edwards.

51 Nobody wants to vote for a crumpled up old cranky doughboy.

Hmmmmm.......possibly.

But I just finished a Vince Flynn story about a president enmeshed in a potentially violent controversy between Palestine and Israel. True, just fiction, and light weight at that, but at the same time the presidential character was written as determined, thoughtful and willing to take risks.

For the fun of it, as I listened (to the audio book) I could not help but plug in President 'Present' in the relevant spaces and the book went from dramatic fiction to Keystone Kops comedy.

If I put Newt into the spot, he would have been a lot more believable.

52 I 'spose it's not on topic to point out that Alinsky died in 1972, when Obama was, oh, about 11, and had yet to actually ever being in Chicago or Illinois.

Oh, well, then clearly nobody in Chicago had ever learned or taught Alinsky's approach, and Obama could not possibly have learned it, either. When somebody dies, all his ideas die with him.

53 Interesting... I was just reading how everyone in America who isn't an occupooper or tea partier has formed a giant disinterest group who intend to not participate in anything ever again.

54 Four years ago today, Ras had Giuliani beating John Edwards.

That's not the point. The point is that as of right now people prefer Gingrich to Obama, despite your theory that nobody wants to vote for Gingrich based on his looks.

55

Okay.  Like I said, it's thin.  It's conjecture.  And my record in predicting things like this is little better than random chance would supply.

I had McCain winning as late as November 1st.  But then again, I was the first person to call Scott Brown's win. 

Where am I going here?  YMMV when it comes to my predictions.

56 If America isn't ready to vote for a white haired, pudgy beta male with an odd voice, how do you explain America's love of Jay Leno?

As much as I hate to say it. We may be looking at the Rise of the Beta Males

57 Last year the NEA had Alinsky's Rules For Radicals on their recommended summer reading list.

58 Have you watched cable news lately?  It's the quack who killed Michael Jackson interspaced with stories about Kim Kardashian.  And that's on CNBC!

Ah, well, then of course that means that people don't know that they're unemployed or underemployed, and they'll vote for the good-looking incumbent president over the cranky doughboy.

59 Ugh.  I really do not want to be rooting for Newton in the generals. 

60

If I put Newt into the spot, he would have been a lot more believable.

 

Are you serious?  I can see Newt in the Dugout Doug MacArthur role, but that's about it.  The only candidates who could be convincing as a tough President are Perry and Santorum.

61 11Newt on Hannity, great interview

Tommy's Country Ham House? Can I order a Ham Wallet ^{™ EoJ Inc} there?

62

Santorum doesn't look or sound (in terms of voice quality) like a president.  He looks and sounds like your idiot hotshot cousin who makes way more money than you but still doesn't know shit.

It's too bad, since his ideas are correct in most cases.

63 I think America is ready to elect a crumpled up cranky dough boy.

Some big pollster said a year ago that the next president would be an old, white, Republican male, because the country took a chance on the smooth, young exotic to prove that we're not racists, and the bastard took advantage of that trust and knifed all those rubes in the back.

I agree. Either Romney or Gingrich will beat Obama. The real question is will either Romney or Gingrich be able to make the hard decisions the next president will have to make to reverse our decline?

64 Piss on Newt twice

65 Perry/Newt 2012! Jus, sayin... *One* good thing about the Bushes I $ II... They certainly have made stinky the newish paradigm that VP does'nt necesarily = "Last Guy gets another 4 Years". Maybe, I'm wrong.

66 corporate sponsored Tea Party organizations.

hahahahahhahah KOCH! BIG OIL! HALIBURTON! GE!! (_{wait, what?})!!!11eleventy!!!

What does chicken ass feel like, Rex?

67 Shhhhhhhhhhhh!

68 Ace, can you do a post telling Gingrich to never get cross again?  Never angry.  He can whip people without completely nuking them and treating then with the disdain they deserve.

Take the high road.

69 Go Newt. Anybody but the fucking traitor Obama.
Attack, attack, attack.

70 I'm thinking that there might be some substance to this, how you say, Nuut.....

71 I 'spose it's not on topic to point out that Alinsky died in 1972, when Obama was, oh, about 11, and had yet to actually ever being in Chicago or Illinois.

In a just and merciful world, Alinsky's death could have been much earlier.

72 Hillary Clinton's senior thesis was on Alinsky.

73 Hmm....  Penn State Bought Adult Domain Names to Block Usage Prior to Sex Abuse Scandal
(via Drudge)

74 Or that Alinsky was praised by Wm F Buckley as "close to an organizational genius".

Yeah, the phrase "organizational genius" can only be PRAISE, amirite?

Step a bit closer to the shower nozzle, Rex.

75 Gateway Pundit has a story of someone accusing Obama of dating actor Kal Penn during the 2008 campaign.

76 Sorry, no, I saw that on Doug Ross.

77 "Organization" is a synonym for "progress"!!!

78 Newt is totally electable, just like Hannibal is totally someone you should run away from.

79 "Organization" is a synonym for "progress"!!!

80 "Organization" is a synonym for "progress"!!

81 "Organization" is a synonym for "progress"!!

82 Karl Marx died in 1883! No way any weak-minded fucknozzle would be influenced by him in 2011! lololololol!!

83 This isn't new for Newt.  He's said this stuff before.

From May 2010:

President ObamaÂ’s socialist agenda threatens our way of life, says former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

“We have two mortal threats,” he told FT.com in a video interview. “First is radical Islam. The other is a secular socialist model of government dominating and defining life that would be fundamentally alien to historical American experience.”

In the last 10-15 years secular socialism has strengthened in universities, courts, the bureaucracy and the media, says Gingrich, author of the new book, “To Save America: Stopping Obama's Secular Socialist Machine.”

84 Well I will say this about Newt; he can chew gum and walk AND TALK. All at the same time.

As for any bimbo eruptions we'll have to wait and see.

(hey it takes time to troll hundred dollar bills through those trailer parks ya know --- Axelrod)

85 Ace, thanks for the analysis. Clearly, there are wheels within wheels here.

Or are there? Perhaps Newt decided to speak the truth about Obama, and let the chips fall where they may. I still support Perry, because I think he would do a better job as president; but by tearing the media veil off Obama, Newt's done the party and the nation a service, and I thank him for it.

86 I think the media will cover this, and will try the "extremism" card and all that rot with Gingrich.

Well, none of them are so far, not even the major Dem PR rags in SC where the statement was made. Not even the Greenville newspapers.

87 Maybe Newt just shot off at the mouth, like he often fies, without thinking. Oh, and Mika B.? I've got a homing missile in my pants, and I'd hit it.

88 Predictably, MSNBC is ignoring the Alinsky quote, and focusing on belittling Newt's claim he did not lobby because he made too much money making speeches to bother - a stupid thing off him to say, btw. Scarborough, btw, clearly hopes to be Bloomberg's VP on a third party ticket. Mika? She would be a revelation naked in bed, with a cowgirl hat. I'm just SURE of it.

89 Newt may not be a conservative, but he does understand conservatives perfectly. His charge also puts the media in the position of having to demonstrate that BO is not an Alinskyite, which is not possible.

90 His charge also puts the media in the position of having to demonstrate that BO is not an Alinskyite, which is not possible.

Not if they simply ignore it. Tree, forest, forest etc.

91

<i>Oh, in before Allen G. does the scoamf thing</i>

 

What.  you mean: "Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure"?  That?

I'm not up that early/late.

However, my first substance post is up (I'll mention that again when more people are awake.)

92 As for any bimbo eruptions we'll have to wait and see.

Wait???? Those erupted years ago and he is still dragging that Bimbo Baggages. (Not to be confused with the more well like Bilbo Baggins)

93

Newt's a master of the sound bite - for better or worse.

In this case, gotta applaud him for telling like it is on Obama.  Will be particularly interesting, now that December's here, to watch The One trip over himself as he falls victim to this annual Democratic disease ...   http://bit.ly/qVdDUt

94 I watched the whole interview, I thought it was good. I like that Newt can be a smartass, I thought his last line about everything being Aaron Rodgers fault because he wasnt sharing the wins was really funny.

95 Great article Ace. You hit the nail on the head. Newt is no Rick Perry. Never has been, never will be. Perrys poll numbers any better now that you started to slam Newt too?

96 It's about damned time somebody told America that she has domestic enemies.

97 Still lots of butthurt Ronulans hanging on, I see...

98 Two things: first, Newt's not all that likable himself, so if he's going to go after Obama about stuff the mushy middle doesn't think or care much about, he risks looking worse himself (one of the things Clinton was able to do against him). Second, and I'm again thinking about the mushy middle, not the conservative wing of the R Party, Obama is PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, and people don't necessarily like hearing their President is a radical, anti-everything-they-stand-for guy, even if he is. Should the nominee be the one making these statements? After all, we may dislike Obama that much, but I honestly don't believe a majority of our fellow Americans see him quite that way. These people may not be bright, but they vote.

99 Give Gingrich one thing-- he's not playing the circular firing squad game set up by the media  where they get the GOP candidates to kill each other off.

100 Nothing wrong with telling the truth, Newt. 

101 TommyÂ’s Country Ham House

Ham.  HOUSE.

so full of win

102 Nothing wrong with telling the truth, Newt. 

Posted by: Case at December 01, 2011 07:25 AM (DYR2Q)

What a novel concept for a politician to try!

Unfortunately, a large number of the populace has accepted either crony socialism (most of the 1%) and/or welfare socialism (most of the 99%) as constituting reasonable governance.  The keep forgetting that socialism works just great for a small set of people, and then suddenly, it doesn't work for anybody.

103 An added bonus: unlike the rest of the GOP field, Gingrich actually knows who Alinsky is.  The name's not just a dog whistle buzzword.  Newt's probably even read him. 

104
I love the smell of red meat in the morning.   It smell's like....victory.

105

Newt Gingrich Accuses Obama of Left-Wing Alinskyite Tactics

 

Can I get a "Duh!"?

106 It'll be interesting to see if Mitt Romney (BA, English, BYU) gets another attack of the vapors over scary rhetoric as he did with Perry early on. 

107 Who ever continues to jack it up Obama's ass will win the nomination. The election is about Obama and his socialist policies. Conservatism works every time. And like you said the dumb ass media will lap this up and damage Obama more then help. They cannot help themselves..............

108

Top of the fifth para (counting the block quote as a para).

And if they think that this will poison the general electorate against Obama-- not so much.

I think you mean Gingrich there. I haven't had any coffee yet but it took me a couple of readings to figure that out.

(Oh, and reminder to self - Self, refresh the main page before you go to bed and see it there are any nice fresh, late ewok postings.)

109

I'm starting to like Newt more and more.

Miraculous resurrections do that to me.

 

110 It's ironic, no? Ace, who has quite rightly attacked the Palinistas for ignoring her terrible, terrible poll numbers now ignores Perry's terrible, terrible poll numbers and pushes for him.

Posted by: ace is a loser at December 01, 2011 02:14 AM (VPRy5)

I don't think Palin's decision was swayed much by the numbers, which are usually volatile in the primaries. She woulda coulda shoulda been a contender. Even up to election day in the primaries, GOP voters are fair game and can be persuaded, enticed, or seduced into supporting this or that candidate until the candidate says or does something irredeemably stupid. All but Ron Paul supporters are fluid, not fixed, which explains the rise and fall of Bachmann, Perry, and Cain. Romney's statistical constancy is explained by the belief held by about 25% of the GOP who support him because they want the closest thing to a sure thing to beating Obama and Romney is the safe bet. Romney supporters are a lot like Romney himself: cautious, prudent, averse to risk. Newt Gingrich, on the other hand, is a big roll of the dice. He's smart but hard to like and even harder to trust, given his background. 

I've read recent articles claiming the Democrats are giving up on the working class white demographic, which has been the mainstay of the Democratic Party since there's been a Democratic Party. This is huge but only helps Republicans if the GOP actively exploits that disaffection. Thus, the GOP nominee most likely to beat Obama in a close election would be the one most likely to appeal to white working class independent voters, the group once called Reagan Democrats. Of all the primary candidates--including Romney--I think Perry would have the best chance of moving this group to the GOP in the general election.

To pull it off, Perry would need to stick it out in the primaries, take some early losses, make no serious mistakes and then go for broke when the Gingrich campaign implodes, as it's almost certainly bound to do. So far we've seen nice Newt, articulate Newt, reasonable Newt. Just wait. I've been watching Gingrich for a long time and you haven't seen anything until you've seen Newt Gingrich pout like child when he feels pressured, slighted or doesn't get his way. He's even more petulant and thin-skinned than Obama, if such a thing is possible. If voters see Gingrich's true face even once on live national television, he's done for.

That's why I think Perry has a chance, anyway. It's a small chance, to be sure, but there it is.

111

Rudy G's speech at the RNC in 2008 took it to Obama and Alinsky.   It was a thing of beauty...I would imagine half the viewers didn't know who Alinsky was.

112 Thats why i like Newt. When was the last time we had a nominee that was both classically intelligent and politically savvy? The beauty of watching him undress Obama intellectually on a daily basis and then in the debates makes my mouth water. What other candidate could do that? If we are going to have Romney or Gingrich, its Newt that i like better.

113 I think it's all work that should have been done in 2008...but why not do it now? It does what the narrative about the GOP says can't be done...establishing an intellectual conversation. And it looks into what is a community organizer (my answer in 2008 was a Chicago thug bagman, today it means a union thug enforcer, right?). Note that the loudest shrieks about Palin in 2008 (soory, ace) is when she compared her being a mayor versus his not actually doing anything as a CA. Anyway, it's good this is being done. It helps everyone.

114

11

The interview with Hannity was awesome.  Best interview anybody's given in the campaign so far.

115 57 If America isn't ready to vote for a white haired, pudgy beta male with an odd voice, how do you explain America's love of Jay Leno?

As much as I hate to say it. We may be looking at the Rise of the Beta Males


We may be  have been looking at the Rise of the Beta Males.

There. All fixed.

116

And it looks into what is a community organizer (my answer in 2008 was a Chicago thug bagman, today it means a union thug enforcer, right?).

 

Nope. "Community organizer" means the same thing today that it did in 2008, and well before that: "communist agitator."

117 Its about time somebody with traction said it.
The truth has a sanitizing effect.
Whether you Like Mr, Gingrich or not, he has a set of balls. And quite frankly that rates right at the top for me. After all the guy has done many things in the mold of President Reagan, that means a lot to me. No body is perfect, we all have warts and bony things in the closet. I guess you have to be insane or really really courageous to go up against the 5th column and the ruling class Nomenklaturer.
Go Newt!

118 No this is really smart, and he's doing the right things as a politician. I just don't think he means a bit of it. He let slip recently that he knew crowds like to hear him bash President Obama so he's doing it. This isn't out of belief or conviction, this isn't out of some personal worldview, its calculated and deliberate. And that's my central problem with Newt. He doesn't seem to stand for anything except the Republican Party getting more powerful.

119

After watching the media for the last couple days now that Newt's moving up, I'm finding it odd how Dems and lefties are promoting Newt.  They are complimenting him like crazy and I'm trying to figure out why.

Posting part of what I posted on another article. By the time I got it posted, saw this article. 

I will give just some of why I cannot support Newt giving just one example on immigration.

Something big and crucial to the immigration discussion and the bashing of Perry is being omitted. NEWT SUPPORTS IN-STATE TUITION FOR ILLEGALS, as well as many other aspects of the Federal DREAM Act. http://tinyurl.com/7cnkelf

BTW, Michelle Bachmann VOTED FOR IN-STATE TUITION FOR ILLEGALS.  Look it up.

Where exactly is Newt on immigration anyway? In 2006 he wrote a 25 page paper to AEI that stated he had a Zero Tolerance Policy.  Here's the story. http://tinyurl.com/c9hplws with a link to his paper.

Yet, now that he's running for President, he's for amnesty?  It's called pandering and being political which Newt is very good at.

As far as flip-flopping, I can see growing or whatever they call it today to change positions. However, with Newt, he's held life-long views on many, many of his now flip-flops. After researching him, I have found this to be true.  It's quite late in life for Newt to be having numerous epiphanies.

Newt has always said he's a moderate and he touted it proudly and loudly for decades. Yet, I am to believe he's truly changed in the last 6 months? I mean, really, he was for the individual mandate as recent as 5 months ago.

Therefore, I cannot trust him and believe he's truly a changed man. You either have a principled core or you don't. After leaving office, he moved more and more to the left. And profitted off of it at our expense.

To exemplify my non-support, here's something very telling to me. When Newt came home after just giving a speech on Family values, he talked to his 2nd wife about the 6 year affair he'd been having with Callista and asked for a divorce. His wife asked how he could justify cheating on her and giving speeches on Family values all that time.  This says it all for me. (and I'm not referring to the cheating, I believe he truly believes this on everything)  "It doesn't matter what I do," Newt answered. "People need to hear what I have to say."

I'm not willing to give up my principles on a maybe.  Are you?  Do you want someone who is a wonderful talker with a questionable record especially in the last decade?  Are you sure he would govern conservatively?  What if he only serves one term and doesn't have to worry about reelection? 

Please research.

Or do you want a doer who actually has a recent record that's over a decade old, that is conservative?

The Perry obituary is written but the man isn't dead yet.

120

I think Newt's appeal is that he reminds us of the competent (by government standards) governance of the 1990's. 

I concede that some of the problems that hit America in the 2000's were birthed in the 1990's, but, in general, you had a lot of good GOP governors enacting common sense reforms at the state level.

You also had a pretty good U.S. Congress between 1994-1998. 

Plus, that fat lecherous hillbilly in the White House governed as a fiscal moderate/conservative.

Say what you want about Clinton, but that sumfabitch - in practice - presided over the slowest growth in government spending in the modern era. 

VOTE GINGRICH - He's a socially-conservative version of Bill Clinton.  He may lie, cheat, and steal, but he'll slow the growth of government and nominate Scalias instead of Bader-Ginsburgs.

121 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

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