1 Bite me, Blitz.

2 Much, resist we will.

3 Mitt may not be doing well in New Hampshire, but he's still numero uno in the old Hampshire.

4 I'm doing double face palms on twitter because I keep seeing "If a Union Boss endorses Gingrich, then he is no conservative and will not get my vote" from conservatives. Just want to scream,"No dipshit, its the name of a fucking newspaper"...are we this uninformed?

5 MATT DAMON!

6 I haven't read all of the comments, but has anyone stated the fact, intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, that Barack "Barry" Obama-Sotero is a stuttering Clusterf*ck of a miserable failure, and a filthy liar to boot?

7 Just want to scream,"No dipshit, its the name of a fucking newspaper"...are we this uninformed? I don't know about uninformed. I didn't have any idea it was a newspaper until halfway through the article. If all you read is the headline then yeah, I can understand it. What a terrible name for a publication.

8 Newt will win the nomination because he is the ultimate Conservative Red Meat candidate.  By that, I mean he is the candidate with enough experience and gray matter to TRULY EMBARRASS Obama in a debate. 

Remember how Obama got away with his "chicken-in-every-pot" platitudes during his debates with McCain?  Won't happen with Newt.  Obama tries that with Newt and Newt will eat him alive. 

Also, the Lincoln-style debate challenge is rich.  Obama simply cannot accept such a debate forum.  Get Obama away from his teleprompter and outside the soundbite and he will be exposed for the intellectual lightweight he is.  However, if he dodges Newt on this, Newt can easily say that the American people deserve a frank and deep discussion of ideas.  Obama is screwed either way.

Also, Newt has now touched the 3rd rail of American politics (immigration) and instead of rejecting him, people are saying, "hmmm, ok, tell me more..."

9 4 I'm doing double face palms on twitter because I keep seeing "If a Union Boss endorses Gingrich, then he is no conservative and will not get my vote" from conservatives. Just want to scream,"No dipshit, its the name of a fucking newspaper"...are we this uninformed?

Posted by: Tendstl at November 27, 2011 10:40 AM (7EEaH)

Newt is leading the pack of the Not-Romney True Conservatives™, so to answer your question, yes, we are this uninformed.

10 MFM hardest hit. Between Mittens faltering and John Huntsman never polling well enough to become a patsy their plan to reelect the SCoMF isn't going so well. Of course we still could see some made up 3rd party bullshit and union/illegal alien ballot box stuffing similar to Deval Patrick winning reelection in Massachusetts. Or Huntsman replacing Biden on the ticket to pull off the squishy clueless people in the middle.

11 Newt Gingrich is by no means the perfect candidate. But Republican primary voters too often make the mistake of preferring an unattainable ideal to the best candidate who is actually running. ------------------------------ That's quite an endorsement. First insult Gingrich, then the Republican primary electorate.

12 Arpaio is a crook and a fascist (and I use the term as it ought to be used, not the way the left uses it). His endorsement saddens me.

13 #13 Arpaio is good at law enforcement. The rest of his job as an administrator and politician, I agree. We often ignore his serious character flaws simply because he is one of the few Sheriffs doing the LE part of the job well along the border.

14 I've noticed that the quality of the comments has gone down as the quality of the posts has gone up. I call this the "Breitbart Phenomenon". And where are the double posts? We were promised double posts!

15 As I said before, Newt's the nominee.

And he should be.

16 Newt will win the nomination because he is the ultimate Conservative Red Meat candidate.  By that, I mean he is the candidate with enough experience and gray matter to TRULY EMBARRASS Obama in a debate. 

Remember how Obama got away with his "chicken-in-every-pot" platitudes during his debates with McCain?  Won't happen with Newt.  Obama tries that with Newt and Newt will eat him alive. 

Also, the Lincoln-style debate challenge is rich.  Obama simply cannot accept such a debate forum.  Get Obama away from his teleprompter and outside the soundbite and he will be exposed for the intellectual lightweight he is.  However, if he dodges Newt on this, Newt can easily say that the American people deserve a frank and deep discussion of ideas.  Obama is screwed either way.

Also, Newt has now touched the 3rd rail of American politics (immigration) and instead of rejecting him, people are saying, "hmmm, ok, tell me more..."

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 27, 2011 10:48 AM (uVlA4)

Yeah. Especially your first two points, and especially the second. But when he announced that challenge, is back when I started seeing him as a serious candidate, realized he was running to win, and -- what's more -- could.

17 If it's Newt over Romney, I think that's good.  But at least we've gotten to the point where we're looking for someone with mastery of the issues over candidates like Cain.

18 Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't newt eventually betray his contract with America?

19 19 Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't newt eventually betray his contract with America?

Posted by: Deathknyte at November 27, 2011 11:02 AM (oDsYN)

Was one of his exes named America? I can't remember, so many to keep track of.

20 I just don't see a great country like the United States electing a salamander to be president.

21

Romney is in talks with Christine McDonnell. Not for a running mate, but to see if she can turn him into a Newt.

22

Romney will be the nominee.

He is "electable" which matters far more than anything like true Conservative values.

Hey, lesser of two evils, right?

23

#4

No we are not uniformed.

24 My theory is that once the Democrats and MSM get through trashing whoever the candidate might be, you can say hello to term number two for the Barkster.

25 if you read  'Manchester Union Leader' and thought it was a beefy guy named Vinny who likes Canonli and dumb girls with dark hair......denounce yourself

That newspaper was a big deal when the Old Man ran it; since then, not so much

26

Newt's a smart guy.  If he becomes POTUS, the rest of the world is in trouble.  Euro-socialism won't be able to compete with a US that is no longer handicapped by having a Marxist in the White House.

America has had enough of tough economic times.  We need someone who understands the basis for America's success, not someone who sympathizes with the OWS crowd that wants to bring America down.  We need a US president who supports the US markets, not one who supports those anti-capitalists who would tear our markets down.

27 This is like 1980, with Hillary for Teddy K and Obama for Jimmy C

but a squish Mormon and a cranky compromised ex-professor instead of Ronald R.   Featuring Ron Paul as John Anderson.  Emmis........

28 are we this uninformed?

Just read some posts at AllaP or Wzippers for your answer.

29 My theory is that once the Democrats and MSM get through trashing whoever the candidate might be, you can say hello to term number two for the Barkster.

Posted by: kansas at November 27, 2011 11:12 AM (9pera)

I'm beginning to think that that might be a reality.

I used to think Ococksmoker had done enough damage to himself that a moldy cheese sandwich could beat him but as it turns out, the entire GOP is so fucking stupid and so fucking inept that they choose to attack eachother and allow themselves to be made fools of by the very moderators THAT THEY AGREED TO BE MODERATED BY, that proves that not a single damned one of them has what it takes to lead the country.

So fuck it. Romney will be the nominee and he will lose.

I just can't fucking wait for Barry's second term.

30 Conservatives dumb enough to forget how Newt has treated them in the past will thoroughly deserve it when he inevitably bends them over and anally rapes them again.

You are begging for it.

31 Hey lets marginalize everyone else and make them like Newt!

32 I would have to say that McQUAID has hit it pretty squarely on the head.

33 Conservatives dumb enough to forget how Newt has treated them in the past will thoroughly deserve it when he inevitably bends them over and anally rapes them again.

He's got our vote.

34

30 are we this uninformed?

we better not be. four more years of Captain Clusterfuck and Big MO.......

we might be DOOMED....

35

I'll vote for Newt. I won't vote for Romney.

And I'm still pissed that Cain and Perry got the treatment not only from the MFM but from Ace and some of the cob-loggers here.

Thanks a lot.

36 I wouldn't be at all surprised to see an attempt on the Republican candidate's life if it looks like hes/she may beat Obama.  As evidenced with the OWS lice infested, nasty, stinking, pooping in public scum, there's a lot of true crazies out there now, and there's also some very shady people in the background pulling the strings of these idiots.  The amount of pure visceral hatred the left has for all things conservative is dangerous.  The left achieved it's long term goals of putting an America hating radical in office when Obama was elected.  They've been foaming at the mouth and working hard for this for over 50 years.  I don't think they are going to let Obama, and their dreams, go down in 4 years if they can do anything to stop it.  I hope I'm wrong about this, but I think it's going to get violent to that degree.

37

Newt is an arrogant prick, and we've already got one of those in office right now.  

Yeah, he might be able to out-debate the SCOAMF, but the SCOAMF has to agree to a debate first.  

At this point, honestly, I'm starting to wonder if we actually have a candidate that can beat him.   He's definitely a SCOAMF, and the most miserable fuck to grace the WH in my lifetime, but jeebers we have a lousy field this go round.   I lean towards Perry, only leaning, but as of right now, I don't think he can beat deWon.

We are boned, if something doesn't change dramatically, I fear.

38

Charlie Brown, Lucy, football
America, Newt, small government conservatism

got it?

39

Romney will be the nominee.

He is "electable" which matters far more than anything like true Conservative values.

He isn't electable though. He grabs centrists and turns off the base. If it was just him being a flip-flopper, whatever. The base would eventually forgive that to nail Obama. But it's much worse! He's a Mormon.

I don't care that he's a Mormon. I used to be a Mormon. I know many Mormons. I don't think Mormons are any crazier than Christians or Jews.

But ... the base thinks otherwise.

40 Why do italics not work half the time? I so italicized the first two paras. above.

41 I just read a thing at Red State that says Romney is the Emperor with no clothes, the candidate everybody says os perfect but in reality is far from it. If Mitt is the no clothes candidate, I think Perry is the candidate with clothes that everybody says has no clothes. We are being held hostage to conventional wisdom that says Perry is no good and can't win. I say B.S. Perry can win if we decide he can. If we get behind him with confidence and don't care about the naysayers. That's how Barack Obama won- enough people decided they didn't care about his communist connections and murky past. They said to hell with it, we're going to shove this candidate on the American people and they are going to like it. We can do that too, if we want to. Perry 2012.

42 And I'm still pissed that Cain and Perry got the treatment not only from the MFM but from Ace and some of the cob-loggers here.

Ace supports (or supported) Perry. He's just willing to look at negatives about the nominees during this, the vetting process: the primary.

43
Drew,

As I said before, everyone knows that candidate Obama ran in 2008 as the Grand Uniter of the country. And Obama has proven to be one of the most divisive presidents in history. Now consider that of the top tier GOP candidates, Newt Gingrich is obviously the most divisive. Just glimpsing back at the 1990's, we see that he has a well established history of being easily demonized - thanks mostly to his own bad decisions and tone deafness. He is the only Speaker of the House in history to be sanctioned for ethics violations. (He had to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in ethics fines.) His own party mutinied and forced him out of the Speaker position. Humiliated, Gingrich immediately resigned from the House altogether. Hey, when the going gets rough, just give up.

Anyway, we are simply insane if we run our most candidate against one of the most divisive presidents in history. Why would we throw away such a massive strategic advantage??

Many of the things we greatly dislike about Romney - his smoothness, his slick vacillation on some positions, his moderate centrism - will be tremendous assets in a general election. He'll prove extremely difficult to for Obama to attack. And massive attack is Obama's best strategy for reelection because his record is so dismal. But the Teflon-coated-chameleon Romney is so independently (the guy's worth billions) that if need be he can self-finance to counter the Obama money machine.

But one would have to be delusional to think that Newt Gingrich will be difficult to attack in a general election. He'll be like a giant, bloated pinata, and Obama will be whacking him with a Billion Dollar Campaign War Fund. The results will be ugly and easy to predict.

For this particular election cycle, the ideological purity tests must be set aside. This election is not nearly so much about promoting the best available version of conservatism as it is about stopping Obama's catastrophic leftism in progress. We'd all love to have a candidate with Newt's verbal skills, Santorum's social values, Bachman's Tea Party rigid fiscal purity, and Rick Perry's Hair. But Ronald Reagan is not available just now.

Lastly, we need to realize that ideologically speaking, Gingrich has not been the unfailingly staunch conservative he's have us believe. And in case anyone has failed to notice: Gingrich habitually places his too-clever-by-half-out-of-the-box-innovative-thinking above conservatism. He's a man in love with his own intellect. Unfortunately conservatism has become a merely convenient mistress for him. Sure, conservatism has its uses and all, but ultimately Newt's precious, new-fangled approaches transcend conservatism. So we need to get over this misguided notion that by nominating Romney we're passing over this great Reagan conservative in Gingrich. That's simply not true.

Oh, and again, Romney may be a political whore. But he's our political whore. He tends to bend conservative will because he cannot afford to alienate the base and expect to get elected or (when the time comes) re-elected. There's every reason to believe that Romney will govern at least right of center.





 

44 We are being held hostage to conventional wisdom that says Perry is no good and can't win. I say B.S. Perry can win if we decide he can. If we get behind him with confidence and don't care about the naysayers. That's how Barack Obama won- enough people decided they didn't care about his communist connections and murky past. They said to hell with it, we're going to shove this candidate on the American people and they are going to like it.

We can do that too, if we want to. Perry 2012.

Did you notice the part about Obama sucking as President?

45

If only to confound that insufferable David Frum.  He touts the necessity of Romney or....Huntsman???  How is it possible for Huntsman, with his microscopic polling number and meager fundraising, going to be able to compete for the nomination?  He will probably be out after South Carolina.

Newt being the nominee might be kinda fun.  The MBM hates him and will spare no effort to splash as much mud on him as possible.  They did it before, and they will do it again - it's almost Pavlovian. And he hates them too.  He and Perry are the two guys that actually realize that the MBM is the enemy, and will act accordingly.

Romney is a smart and competent man, but he generates almost no enthusiasm for the base, and will only get nominated if he is truly "inevitable".  And that only depends on how much muck the MBM can gin up against Gingrich and how much money he can actually start raising to continue his campaign.

46 I will take under advisement the choices of big titted and ample ass women such as S E Cupp, Andrea Tantaros, or Julie Banderas. 

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 27, 2011 11:12 AM (Lt/Za)

That is opinion, not fact. None of the above have them.

47 Newt being the nominee might be kinda fun.

Then there's that.

48

And I'm still pissed that Cain and Perry got the treatment not only from the MFM but from Ace and some of the cob-loggers here.

Thanks a lot.

Posted by: ErikW at November 27, 2011 11:35 AM (U1+8n)

Cain deserved it, a balloon filled with the dreams of the anti-Mitts that had no introspection.

Ace slapped Perry around here and there but he still backs him. We can't ignore the flaws in our candidate, just acknowledge them and hopefully get the shit straight before heading into the general election.

49

Ace supports (or supported) Perry. He's just willing to look at negatives about the nominees during this, the vetting process: the primary.

Posted by: Random at November 27, 2011 11:51 AM (YiE0S)

Oh bullshit. Vetting process my ass.

50 Whomever gets the GOP nomination will get 100% of the conservative vote. (If someone who claims to be conservative votes for Obama out of spite, they aren't conservative - they're just an idiot) The concern is how much of the non-conservative vote the nominee gets. Not enough isn't an option.

51

Oh bullshit. Vetting process my ass.

Posted by: ErikW at November 27, 2011 12:06 PM (U1+8n)

Yeah, who needs a vetting process, or digging up the dirt on our own candidates before the other side can find it?

Absolutely pointless I say.

52 Oh bullshit. Vetting process my ass.

I made the point above.

I agree with many of your comments, but without a doubt Ace wanted Perry to be it. Ace, though, is as close to an intellectually honest person as you're likely to find in a biased partisan, and presented flaws even in his preferred candidate.

Ace is all about the underlying ideas, and less about the personalities involved. He wants someone who can (1) win and (2) advance his preferred policies and (3) oppose socialist policies.

That's really about it. Ace can and will abandon Perry if he fails (1). But he was never just trying to tear him down for the sake of tearing him down.

53 Wow, so Newt is going to be the next Christie O'donnell?  Face it, Most conservatives are not impressed with Romney.  We have been screaming it throughout the primary season.  To many conservatives have let the MSM and the Dims define Newt and bought into their narrative of his short comings.  I'm for Newt.  As he becomes more of a threat to the Dims watch the dirt start to fly.

54 ErikW, honest question: so suppose Ace knows some dirt on one of the R candidates that isn't public (yet), would you think the correct thing to do is to just sit on it and hope that it doesn't come out?  Because I don't think that is realistic, the other side's oppo research isn't a bunch of dunces.

55 46 We are being held hostage to conventional wisdom that says Perry is no good and can't win. -------------------------------- Actually, I'm being held hostage by his sorry ass debate performances. Free me Rick!

56 I'm for Newt.  As he becomes more of a threat to the Dims watch the dirt start to fly.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 27, 2011 12:10 PM (JKNDp)

Welcome to the par-tay.

57 Newt is the arrogant self-absorbed college professor.  He'll come up with some nifty-sounding idea, like community boards for deciding which illegal aliens stay and which one goes, and then he will get all testy when you point out that his stupid idea is in fact stupid.  In a lot of ways he really is a mirror image of Obama - he thinks he is smarter than he really is.

58 If conservative blogs (and media) are really concerned about vetting, they should be asking every single day why Romney has limited his media appearances (in depth interviews) and snubbed social conservatives. And they should be expressing "concern" about Mitt's 25% polling ceiling.  They should be asking where the meet is in Romney's debate performances instead of cooing over his lack of mistakes during debates as if that will somehow win in the general.

Instead we're treated to hand-wringing about every misstep of the candidates who are, you know, actually out there campaigning.  And that included spending far too much time on Michele Bachmann's alleged problem migraines, re-telling the false stories about Newt's divorce, and going on about racist rocks and needle raping that never happened. 

59 going on about racist rocks and needle raping that never happened.

Don't knock it till ya try it, baby!

60

He'll prove extremely difficult to for Obama to attack.

Posted by: Dave at November 27, 2011 11:51 AM (SV650)

Um, no.   What he'll prove is that we'll still have nobama care, if he becomes president.    Romney takes that completely off the table in any debate.  

Do you really think that the SCOAMF doesn't have a shit ton of crap ready to hit him with?   If he's the nominee, there will be garbage dredged up from who knows where, but it will come.

Don't be naive in thinking that anyone will be difficult for the SCOAMF and his minnions in the press to attack.

61 O/T, but watching NFL pre-game on Fox and Marcus Allen is one.  Even though he's in a suit, you can tell he still has a great body. 

Is it too much to ask that he strip to his skivvies? 


Also, hockey fans go to the open thread and follow the link I put up to a record-breaking hockey fight... 439 penalty minutes assessed from one fight. 

62 Newt is the arrogant self-absorbed college professor.  He'll come up with some nifty-sounding idea, like community boards for deciding which illegal aliens stay and which one goes, and then he will get all testy when you point out that his stupid idea is in fact stupid.  In a lot of ways he really is a mirror image of Obama - he thinks he is smarter than he really is.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2011 12:13 PM (s7mIC)

Ding...ding...ding!    That sound you hear is the hammer hitting the head of the nail!

63

ErikW, honest question: so suppose Ace knows some dirt on one of the R candidates that isn't public (yet), would you think the correct thing to do is to just sit on it and hope that it doesn't come out?  Because I don't think that is realistic, the other side's oppo research isn't a bunch of dunces.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2011 12:12 PM (s7mIC)

Of course not. I agree with you. It just seemed to me (and I could be wrong) that the so called vetting was a bit rambunctious.

64 Um, no.   What he'll prove is that we'll still have nobama care, if he becomes president.    Romney takes that completely off the table in any debate. 

Well, I don't know.  I can see him making a 'nuanced' argument along the lines of, "I support popular provision X of ObamaCare but I don't support the rest of it, it should be done by the states".  Kind of a triangulation strategy.

65 Personally I've never seen any evidence that a newspaper's endorsement moves a lot, or actually any, votes.

Uhh, if your looking for a voter to say the endorsement swayed them, nope. But in the cumulative...definitely, it all adds up.  Under your logic, Romney and Perry could care less...doubtful.

66

You figured it out. Ace is really Double Secret Romneybot Agent #42109.

And those helicopters circling your house.....yea, that is the Trilateral Commission spying on you.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2011 12:11 PM (OWjjx)

Well excuse the hell out of me for having a different opinion.

67 Of course not. I agree with you. It just seemed to me (and I could be wrong) that the so called vetting was a bit rambunctious.

Perry gave lots of poor performances to vet. However, Ace was (or is) a Perry supporter, and I was too for a little while. But then, I had heard one of Perry's strengths was being a great political campaigner.

We haven't exactly seen that, right?

68 Sorry, I just don't think I can bring myself to vote for Newt.  At least with Romney, it is clear that you can persuade him to change his mind on some dumb idea.  With Newt?  I think he will just get defensive and double-down on his stupid.

69 Well, I don't know.  I can see him making a 'nuanced' argument along the lines of, "I support popular provision X of ObamaCare but I don't support the rest of it, it should be done by the states".  Kind of a triangulation strategy.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2011 12:21 PM (s7mIC)

And, again, no.  People don't want the damn law fixed.   They want it gone.   He can spew that states' rights crap all he wants.   It doesn't fly.    Even in a state, mandating someone has to buy a product is bullshit of the highest order.   People see it for what it is.   Government overreach, and we've had enough of that shit.

70 But then, I had heard one of Perry's strengths was being a great political campaigner.

We haven't exactly seen that, right?

Posted by: Random at November 27, 2011 12:23 PM (YiE0S)

Who gives a shit? I don't want a politician, I want a leader that can pull us out of this massive clusterfuck!

I'm fucking tired of the gamesmanship and people telling me that that's how it is, just roll with it.

Fuck that, we're going to hell in a handbasket if this shit continues.

 

71 No offense intended, y'all. I'm just tired of the bullshit.

72 But then, I had heard one of Perry's strengths was being a great political campaigner.

We haven't exactly seen that, right?
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You haven't seen that because the stuff he's doing well - stump speeches, meet and greets, interviews (especially local), candidate forums (such as the ones in Iowa) and policy paper releases - is not getting the coverage that the debates have gotten.  On top of that, the disappointment factor in the debates has led to an over-emphasis of how poorly he's done.  Finally, the debates he has done well in happened to be the ones that were not well-covered.

I'm not saying it's some kind of conspiracy, per se, but it is a combination of things.  It's a desire by the establishment centrist GOP (for want of a better term) to have it not be Perry (and, let's face it, to have it be Mitt), so that takes good coverage away from places like NRO and TWS and Fox.  On top of that, you have conservatives who were hoping that Perry was The Perfect Candidate who let their emotions get the better of them and go all hand-wringy on Perry when he stumbled.  Plus, there was the general feeding frenzy of web traffic that led to things like Bachmann's migraines and Perry's racist rock to getting far more coverage than they should have. 

Meanwhile, Romney sits back, both in the debates and on the trail.  Why does he not get criticized for skipping candidate forums in favor of fundraising on the east coast?  Why is he getting a pass for skipping major interviews?  Why are the pundits not demanding he explain what the Replace part of Repeal & Replace consists of?  And where's the hand-wringing about his polling ceiling? 

It just seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy that Mitt is the most electable when I really don't see how he's earned the nomination and I certainly don't see how this strategy will work in the general. 

73 Meanwhile, Romney sits back, both in the debates and on the trail.  Why does he not get criticized for skipping candidate forums in favor of fundraising on the east coast?  Why is he getting a pass for skipping major interviews?  Why are the pundits not demanding he explain what the Replace part of Repeal & Replace consists of?  And where's the hand-wringing about his polling ceiling? 

It just seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy that Mitt is the most electable when I really don't see how he's earned the nomination and I certainly don't see how this strategy will work in the general. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 27, 2011 12:34 PM (5H6zj)

Because he's Obama Light and the Left approves.

74 And, again, no.  People don't want the damn law fixed.   They want it gone.

Well, there are parts of ObamaCare that actually are popular.  For instance, in one poll, 2/3rds of people support the ObamaCare requirement that the full cost of birth control be covered by insurance.  I have also read previously (can't find the poll now, sorry) that parts like allowing people to get coverage despite pre-existing conditions is popular too.  I think Romney knows this and will say he will repeal ObamaCare, except the "good parts".  Only Romney can really make this type of nuanced argument, all the rest will be open to the inevitable demagogic attacks of "they just wants sick people to die".

75 If ABO was the goal, we should have all backed Huntsman.  I've never met a lib who wanted to vote for Mitt (and I have a bunch of relatives and friends in Massachusetts), but I have met ones who would vote for Huntsman. 

And at least Huntsman has governed to the right of Mitt. 

76 I've never met a lib who wanted to vote for Mitt (and I have a bunch of relatives and friends in Massachusetts), but I have met ones who would vote for Huntsman.

Well, all the supposedly pro-Huntsman libs that I've encountered have always prefaced their comments with "If I were to vote for a Republican..."  They aren't going to vote for Huntsman, nor anyone with an (R) label, they will vote for Obama.

77 Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2011 12:46 PM (s7mIC)

So you think Independents would go for Romney over Huntsman?  Why? 

And your entire general election strategy relies on Indies? 

78

chemjeff, the Kaiser poll is adults, not registered or likely voters, and the MOE is vast.   As much as 9% points with uninsured adults.

Besides that, the Kaiser Family Foundation has a vested interest in promoting Obamacare.   Be more careful where you get you information. 

 

79 Oh, and again, Romney may be a political whore. But he's our political whore. He tends to bend conservative will because he cannot afford to alienate the base and expect to get elected or (when the time comes) re-elected. There's every reason to believe that Romney will govern at least right of center. Posted by: Dave at November 27, 2011 11:51 AM (SV650) Oh, of course. The fact that folks who had advised him on policy matters while Governor provided the same services to Barky offers no Indication whatsoever that he will stray from conservative principles.

80 People truly like Perry, they enjoy Newt's debating style and no one seems to like Mr Hairdo. Perry can beat Obama in the swing states.

81 I think the vaunted Indie vote is overrated.  They will vote for whomever seems like will be the winner, be it Romney or anyone else.  The real strategy IMO is (a) to get our side's voters out there campaigning in droves, and (b) depressing the other side's turnout by pointing out how SCOAMF-y Obama is even to them.  The Indies will flock to whomever is up in the polls.

82 chemjeff, the Kaiser poll is adults, not registered or likely voters, and the MOE is vast.   As much as 9% points with uninsured adults.

Well look, even with a 9% MOE, the margin in favor was 2-1.

The point here is that there are certain small portions of ObamaCare that really are popular.

83 The Indies will flock to whomever is up in the polls.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2011 01:01 PM (s7mIC)

I feel like the Bishop in Caddyshack.

84 Is Newt the best we can do?  Why are people so taken with BS artists.  Haven't we fucking learned our lesson from the 2008 debacle?

85 The real strategy IMO is (a) to get our side's voters out there campaigning in droves
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How does Mitt achieve that goal when he's done everything in his power to run a stealth, centrist campaign in the primary? 

The thing Ace said the other day about Romney's strategy being to paint the other candidates as weaker in areas in which he (Mitt) is weak is true.  All he's done is knock the other candidates in certain areas (in sometimes laughable ways such as Perry on immigration).  Mitt has done nothing that I can see to demonstrate he is worth voting for, so I just don't see the voter enthusiasm you say is needed suddenly appearing.  And that's before the Obama and MSM Romney-smear machine gets going. 

86 Y-not, I agree, Mitt is not an inspiring candidate.

87 "Conservative Newspaper" Um, what's that????

88 "Conservative Newspaper"


Um, what's that????
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Hallooo there!

89 Y-not, I agree, Mitt is not an inspiring candidate.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2011 01:14 PM (s7mIC)

And he's not a conservative, either.

90 And he's not a conservative, either.
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And he's not even accomplished at kicking the shit out of Democrats. 

That's why Newt is my (deep) back up behind Perry.  At least he's made the Dems eat shit before, even if he's very inconsistent in other ways. 

91 I say the Arpaio endorsement is bigger than the U-L's.

92 That's why Newt is my (deep) back up behind Perry.  At least he's made the Dems eat shit before, even if he's very inconsistent in other ways. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 27, 2011 01:24 PM (5H6zj)

That's where I'm at right now.

93 @96
It is a big endorsement since it addresses a perceived weakness of Perry's.  I'd love to see the Sheriff take on Mitt on border issues. 

But I wonder about how effective having him campaign with Perry in NH will be.  I would think he would sell better in a place like South Carolina. 

94 BTW, why are we all so assured that the SCOAMF will give even one debate to Newt, or any other GOP candidate? It's NOT a Constitutional requirement, and there'd be only one pressure group that wd be able to force the SCOAMF into it... THE ENEMY MEDIA. As if. It is to larrfff...

95 Was it just me or did anyone else want to punch Krauthammer and Kristol in the nose to wipe those self-satisfied smirks off their faces during Perry's Center Seat appearance the other day? 

And why is Mitt afraid to do one of those? 

96 Huh. So, Joe Arpaio is going, Rick Perry? 4 years ago, I drove all the way up to Mesa from Tucson because I hated McCain & Fuckabee *that* much. Got some free hot chocolate. (with real marshmallows, heee!) Milled around feeling stupid as it was the first political thing I had ever done in my entire life and I didn't have any kids in tow. (If I had known that they were de rigeur, for being a Republican, I woulda kidnapped 1/2 a Dozen of them from Casa Grande, on my way up!) Chatted with a short dude, in a bad suit and no obvious rugrats until some *gorgeous* tall State Troopers hustled him away. Oh! Whatta You know? That short guy, with the bad polyester suit? Sherrif Joe Arpaio! He spoke about his undying love for Mitt Romney and their long history in Mexico and Boston. (Srsly? Joe Arpaio worked in Boston?!? Dear God, I hope he wasn't giving the go-ahead for Whitey Bolger to murder more people...) And then... ...there was a video with a lot of waving grain and Mitt Romney thanking us for our support. Okay... I went home. So, Joe Arpaio is supprting Perry this time around, you say? Huh.

97 He spoke about his undying love for Mitt Romney and their long history in Mexico and Boston.

What month was that? 

Lots of folks endorsed Romney against McCain. 

98 >>What month was that? << I'm thinking it was early January, 2008...

99 >>Lots of folks endorsed Romney against McCain. << Not in Arizona, they didn't!!

100 The votes weren't there to do term limits. You can only do so much with what you've got. When they won the 94 mid-terms it isn't like Newt flip-flopped and didn't do anything. And he had to deal with the namby pampy Republicans in the Senate. I don't recall a lot of progressive love for Newt in the 90's.

What if AFTER Newt got out of Congress, he had his eye on the presidency and that's why he did the Pelosi global warming BS and has positioned himself as more moderate and reasonable. Is it possible that if he is elected President, 1994 Newt will return, and with a vengeance? Maybe it's time to start digging up the "Newt is evil" stuff from the 90's?

101 @103
Yeah, looks like January which is around when DeMint seems to have endorsed Romney (looks like DeMint endorsed in early February). 

So it was an Anybody But McCain endorsement.  In January 2008 McCain was in double digits in Arizona and the next closest (only one in double digits) was Romney. 

102 104 >>Lots of folks endorsed Romney against McCain. <<

Not in Arizona, they didn't!!

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Well, maybe they should have since most folks agree that Romney circa 2008 was more conservative than McCain. 

103 OK Ya'll Rick Perry can't win cause Polls matter and so do newspaper endorsements and so do the Bush's - K?

104 Nice move by Perry, that should help his perception. For some reason Texans really don't like Perry though, there seems to be something to that.

105 Newts got a great shot if he doesn't derail- which I don't think he will. My problem with Romney is that he simply lines up with other GOP nominee losers who failed to rev up the base- McCain, Dole, Bush I ( 1992). Newts maybe flawed ( well, not maybe) but he's willing to take the fight to Obama and say stuff that hasn't been focus tested by a committee. As they say in tennis, this match is on his racket I believe.

106 Hey. I did my part. I thought that Romney was *the* candidate to go against the Dem machine and Obama in particular in 2008. I'm not sure that ANY Repub could have fought the tide that swept W out. Sure as shit, it wasn't gonna be crankypants, old man McCain... (I can't *beleive* that Jon Kyle is going to retire before that old bastard unclutches his talons from the levers of controll of...boxing and on-line gaming.) "Apres moi, le deluge?" Oh, and before,during and after Obamacare? Romney can go pound sand, in my book.

107 For some reason Texans really don't like Perry though, there seems to be something to that.
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Familiarity breeds contempt.

Look, Huntsman won a couple of times in Utah and is actually further right than Mitt, but he gets completely shelled by Mitt in polls here. 

108 @111
By the time my primary rolled around (Cali) it was basically McCain, Mitt, or Huckabee.  I voted for Mitt. 

But I will not vote for him this time around.  Hell, if it comes to it (and Perry is out), I'll vote for Huntsman. 

109 100 Was it just me or did anyone else want to punch Krauthammer and Kristol in the nose to wipe those self-satisfied smirks off their faces during Perry's Center Seat appearance the other day?

Those weren't self-satisfied smirks.  Those were confused internal struggles to understand what the rambling idiot they were interviewing was talking about as he meandered all over the place, refused to answer direct questions, and admitted he hadn't thought his own policy proposals through.

In other words, that appearance was a de facto debate performance for Perry.

110 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

111 Oh, no, David Frump is about to leave the GOP!!: "Any other nominee would gravely test my commitment to the political party IÂ’ve supported since I entered the United States as a college student in the fall of 1978." Baawwhaahaaa...sniff... Don't let the doorknob hitcha on the keister, Dave...

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113 Was it just me or did anyone else want to punch Krauthammer and Kristol in the nose to wipe those self-satisfied smirks off their faces during Perry's Center Seat appearance the other day?

Those weren't self-satisfied smirks.  Those were confused internal struggles to understand what the rambling idiot they were interviewing was talking about as he meandered all over the place, refused to answer direct questions, and admitted he hadn't thought his own policy proposals through.

In other words, that appearance was a de facto debate performance for Perry.

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