August 26, 2011

Nightside Hurricane Irene Update (tmi3rd)
— Open Blogger

Good evening, Morons and Moronettes, and hello from the Moron Central Weather Desk. It looks like we may have some good news for once, but there is still danger for the Eastern Seaboard... here are the quick hits.

1) The expected strengthening of Irene did not happen this afternoon, and the storm currently has maximum sustained winds of 100 mph, making it a strong Category 2 storm. We had anticipated it strengthening to a Category 3 storm, so this is a good development. With that said...

2) The track seems to be firming up, having the center of circulation crossing the eastern point of North Carolina and hugging the coasts of Maryland, Delaware, and New Jersey before entering New England somewhere fairly close to New York City, most likely as a Category 1 hurricane.

Details below the fold... 5-day.gif

Thanks, as ever, to wunderground.com.

As the above graphic indicates, tomorrow is going to be a rough ride for North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware. The thing I'd like to point out is that this system is 600-700 miles in diameter, so it's going to affect a large area.

Near Norfolk, the Portsmouth Naval Facility on the Elizabeth River is anticipating a high tide at 8:20 AM... and then again around 8:03 or so that night, which is when the center of circulation is anticipated to make its closest approach to Norfolk. That's not horrible, but we are talking about seas of 10-13 feet until after midnight. So let's stay away from the water... again, most people are killed by flooding or by being stupid enough to stand too close to the seas while the waves are rocking. Don't naturally select yourself.

I don't anticipate that this storm is going to behave perfectly (it hasn't so far, so why should it start now?), but if you're near DC, Wilmington, or Philadelphia, you should have a fairly rainy and windy time starting Saturday and into Sunday. You can expect higher seas on the coast, but you should be on the comparatively safer west side of the storm.

Finally, let's talk about the impacts in and around New York City. If it continues on the forecast track, the center of circulation may cross directly over NYC. I don't anticipate that it's going to behave, however, so take that with a grain of salt.

Now let's take the cautionary part- even if it slips down below hurricane strength (75 mph sustained winds), it's still going to be driving a ton of water with it. Even though Katrina, for example, only came ashore with winds of a strong Category 3 storm, she was pushing water consistent with that of a Category 5 storm. It's a question of inertia- once you suck up a bunch of water, it has to go somewhere, and it's going to keep moving in the direction it was going in the first place. Take this seriously- don't let your guard down in Boston, Providence, or ANYWHERE near Long Island Sound.

The northeast side of the storm is traditionally where the really weird stuff happens, like embedded tornadoes... if you're in the path of this storm, you need to pay close attention to any tornado watches that go up. The really scary thing about hurricane-embedded tornadoes is that, while they're not usually very strong, they're usually rain-wrapped, and therefore really hard to see. So, that means that if you're in CT, RI, MA, NH, or ME, you're going to need to stay informed as the storm transits your area.

So let's talk, finally, about impacts... I doubt this thing is going to be the cataclysm we thought it was going to be if it had undergone its major strengthening today. It's going to be a serious flooding problem for low-lying and coastal areas, and there will be some wind damage, probably in NC and VA, and in the path of the center of circulation, but it is extremely unlikely to resemble the coming Zombie Apocalypse or the Rampaging Hobo Stampede.

Drew put it perfectly on Twitter earlier today- because this thing isn't going to utterly wipe out NYC, one would have to figure that New Yorkers will now cheerfully ignore any future weather warnings. Because of the lack of frequency of hurricane encounters in NY, that's not entirely unfounded. I would just point out that in New Orleans, it was all fun and games from 1969 until 2005. Then... oh yeah, hurricanes are still dangerous.

If you've moved out of the way of the storm, please stay there- again, power will likely still go out, emergency services will be spotty at best, and businesses will likely not be open through the weekend. It's an expensive pain in the ass, but one of the other things that happens in hurricanes is that the lack of people on the street makes it easier for the local PD to pick out the bad guys. It's easier on the emergency management people if there are fewer people around until after the storm has passed.

Okay, that's it for tonight... we'll keep you posted on developments here as they happen. Be safe!

-tmi3rd

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:45 PM | Comments (65)
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1 It can't go near Delaware unless it speaks with an Indian accent

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 26, 2011 07:51 PM (ZUWaD)

2 The buoy in the outer Onslow Bay (near the eye now) shows 28 foot wave heights and rising. http://tinyurl.com/3rbqvcl

Posted by: CDR M at August 26, 2011 07:52 PM (Ybl9g)

3 Looks like a great day to fly... in a WC-130J out of Keesler, and for no other aircraft.

Posted by: tmi3rd at August 26, 2011 07:55 PM (WRtsc)

4 Timmaaay!   

Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 26, 2011 07:56 PM (SyLEU)

5 From a South Louisianian and 41 year hurricane veteran, my thoughts and prayers go out to the rons and ettes in the path of this storm. Y'all should do fine. Hopefully it wont be a problem for ya. Tom, great job on the 'cane updates. Nash has a twinkle in his eye tonight.

Posted by: helofixer at August 26, 2011 07:57 PM (V3fxx)

6 Everyday is a good day to fly. Just some days are more dangerous than others!

Posted by: CDR M at August 26, 2011 07:58 PM (Ybl9g)

7 What kind of idiots live in a coastal city that sits in the path of hurricanes?! We need to abandon New York and move all of those rednecks to FEMA trailors ASAP!

Posted by: JBiden at August 26, 2011 07:58 PM (LJAdd)

8 Via Twitter, an Irene-spawned tornado ripped up a Belhaven, NC car dealership.

Posted by: tmi3rd at August 26, 2011 07:59 PM (WRtsc)

9 Maybe Whorealdo will do one of his hambone hurricane acts and a good gust will catch his stash and blow him out to sea.....Just a thought.

Posted by: owlpellets at August 26, 2011 07:59 PM (P9Fq6)

10 What am I? Chopped liver?

Posted by: NOAA WP-3D at August 26, 2011 08:00 PM (Ybl9g)

11 Helofixer, would you believe I briefly dated his granddaughter in high school? That said, let's raise one to Nash. Great man, great forecaster, and between him and Buddy D, I could barely make out what they were saying.

Posted by: tmi3rd at August 26, 2011 08:00 PM (WRtsc)

12 I don't need no damn tornados tonight damn it.

Posted by: CDR M at August 26, 2011 08:00 PM (Ybl9g)

13 Maybe Whorealdo will do one of his hambone hurricane acts and a good gust will catch his stash and blow him out to sea.....Just a thought.

Posted by: owlpellets at August 26, 2011 11:59 PM

You comment same twice You pay twice..

Posted by: Comment Porice at August 26, 2011 08:01 PM (ZUWaD)

14 Good point- I've actually sat in the cockpit of Miss Piggy. When we flew into Ivan in '04, we were at 10K and Miss Piggy was at 5K. The P-3 apparently caught a downdraft that pushed her down about 3K feet, and they nearly tore the wings off the aircraft trying to pull out of the dive. Pucker factor...

Posted by: tmi3rd at August 26, 2011 08:02 PM (WRtsc)

15 Posted by: JBiden at August 26, 2011 11:58 PM (LJAdd)

We are certainly awaiting Bami's exit plan for Philadelphia... what, it's the same as his economic plan?... get everyone to move to Texas?

Posted by: phreshone at August 26, 2011 08:02 PM (T3vCe)

16 No, NOAA.  I'm chopped liver.

Posted by: Virginia at August 26, 2011 08:02 PM (f/8Td)

17 Blasting Mac Rebennack's (thats Dr. John to you philistines) Storm Warning in your honor.

Posted by: helofixer at August 26, 2011 08:02 PM (V3fxx)

18 Worth 3 to see it happen.

Posted by: owlpellets at August 26, 2011 08:02 PM (P9Fq6)

19 8 Via Twitter, an Irene-spawned tornado ripped up a Belhaven, NC car dealership. Posted by: tmi3rd at August 26, 2011 11:59 PM (WRtsc) Well, if it's a GM dealership, I'm sure Obama will count those as car sales created.

Posted by: CDR M at August 26, 2011 08:03 PM (Ybl9g)

20 Hey, helo, you remember Zebra, right? Bet you didn't know... they were called Z for a long time. Then they played their first show in Chalmette... ...wait for it... ...wait for it... Den day wuz Z, brah!

Posted by: tmi3rd at August 26, 2011 08:04 PM (WRtsc)

21 Maybe Whorealdo will do one of his hambone hurricane acts and a good gust will catch his stash and blow him out to sea.....Just a thought.

Posted by: owlpellets at August 26, 2011 11:59 PM (P9Fq6)


WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES!!! OH THE HUMANITY

Posted by: Geraldo at August 26, 2011 08:04 PM (M8yfa)

22 Maybe Whorealdo will do one of his hambone hurricane acts and a good gust will catch his stash and blow him out to sea.....Just a thought. Posted by: owlpellets at August 26, 2011 11:59 PM You comment same twice You pay twice..

Posted by: owlpellets at August 26, 2011 08:05 PM (P9Fq6)

23 I'll never forget that night in the Superdome where Geraldo picked up the baby and cried into the camera, one of the funniest fucking things of all-time

Posted by: The Dude at August 26, 2011 08:05 PM (M8yfa)

24 Well, if it's a GM dealership, I'm sure Obama will count those as car sales created.

Posted by: CDR M at August 27, 2011 12:03 AM

If they're Volts I get checks...

Posted by: Hurricane Irene at August 26, 2011 08:05 PM (ZUWaD)

25 3K? Oh man I bet the pucker factor was high! I remember losing 1K in a downdraft while trying to penetrate a TS at night in the South China Sea. Not fun.

Posted by: CDR M at August 26, 2011 08:06 PM (Ybl9g)

26 This Irene bitch is weak.

Posted by: Katrina at August 26, 2011 08:08 PM (hVGDL)

Posted by: curious at August 26, 2011 08:08 PM (k1rwm)

28 @20...dude bra, of course I remember me some Zebra...the St Christopher's CYO rawked your face! So many will have no idea of what the hell we are talking about  Tom. Who's behind the door?

Posted by: helofixer at August 26, 2011 08:08 PM (V3fxx)

29 My mom lives in the Northern Neck of Virginia, just a few miles from the Chesapeake.  She lost a commercial property to arson this year (the tenant did it to scam his insurer).  That was a good chunk of her retirement income.  I'm holding my breath that the hurricane spares her home. 

Posted by: Taxpayer at August 26, 2011 08:08 PM (NpmCe)

30 Fred is filling in for Hannity. How does FEMA handle a reverse mortgage under the Miserable Clusterfuck?

Posted by: owlpellets at August 26, 2011 08:09 PM (P9Fq6)

31 Hey Tmi, it looks like the eyewall has wrapped around the eye again and the cloudtops over the COC look real cold. You can see a pinhole eye with the Dvorak floater.

Posted by: CDR M at August 26, 2011 08:09 PM (Ybl9g)

32

Hey Tmi, it looks like the eyewall has wrapped around the eye again and the cloudtops over the COC look real cold. You can see a pinhole eye with the Dvorak floater

My eye is dialated, picked up some weed over the Bahamas...

Posted by: Hurricane Irene at August 26, 2011 08:12 PM (ZUWaD)

33 Aside from the storm surge in all of the usual and customary places, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine will probably feel sustained tropical storm winds.  That means trees down.  That means power lines down.  It appears to be very similar to a very strong Winter Nor'easter without the snow.

The chances of a few tornadoes springing up will also be fairly high -- especially in Massachusetts -- if the eye makes landfall there, as currently predicted.

If you live in any of the above mentioned areas, batten down the hatches and put everything in, under cover on Saturday.

Posted by: Dell - Son Of Libertea at August 26, 2011 08:14 PM (3S10h)

34 CDR, I saw that, but I'm not sure how its ongoing land interaction will affect its ability to strengthen. If I wake the wife up to ask her, it'd be like sticking my unit in a hornet's nest. Gotta take the dog for her nightly 5K... back in about 30-40.

Posted by: tmi3rd at August 26, 2011 08:15 PM (WRtsc)

35 That Irene's got one big hole.

Posted by: Al Roker at August 26, 2011 08:15 PM (N2yhW)

36 Fuck you Irene. In 84 hours, I'll show you how it's done.

Posted by: Future Hurricane Jose at August 26, 2011 08:16 PM (Ybl9g)

37 What I find amazing is the reach of the Tropical Force Winds. If you look at local radar you wll see that while Irene is still several hundred miles from Atlantic Beach the edges of it's winds are already almost to Raleigh. Think of this...Raleigh NC might be subject to 10 hours of tropical force winds....and that is going to grind up the coast. The closer to the coast the longer you will be engaged with tropical force, and in some cases hurricane force, winds for almost 20 hours.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at August 26, 2011 08:16 PM (AWahI)

38 Think they'll ever use Obama for a hurricane name?

Posted by: CDR M at August 26, 2011 08:18 PM (Ybl9g)

39 I am driving home (northern Philly suburbs) from Boston tomorrow morning. Hoping we can pick up supplies along the way, as we have virtually no food in our house and no batteries either. We are going WAY around NYC to avoid any jams from last-minute evacuations there. I am praying we don't get any roof damage from this storm--our house was sort of thrown up in the mid-90s and I am not at all confident that it was constructed to withstand sustained tropical force winds. Luckily we have no trees near the house. We lived through Isabel in northern Virginia in 2005 and that was nasty, but not as bad as this one is supposed to be. See y'all on the other side.....or not. ;-)

Posted by: rockmom at August 26, 2011 08:18 PM (X/P6o)

40 Racist white cloud hurricane storm.

Posted by: Maxine Waters at August 26, 2011 08:19 PM (N2yhW)

41 joe bastardi's twitter feed, useful cause he constantly gives the pressure

Posted by: curious at August 26, 2011 08:21 PM (k1rwm)

42 Isabel was barely a hurricane too.

Posted by: CDR M at August 26, 2011 08:22 PM (Ybl9g)

43

CDR M

 Barry is the second storm for 2013...

Posted by: KZnextzone at August 26, 2011 08:23 PM (ZUWaD)

44 Posted by: rockmom at August 27, 2011 12:18 AM (X/P6o)

tomorrow they are closing some parkways in Jersey going in one direction, they will all go away from the coast.  NYC is probably closing some bridges tomorrow also. 

Posted by: curious at August 26, 2011 08:24 PM (k1rwm)

Posted by: curious at August 26, 2011 08:29 PM (k1rwm)

46 Hmmm. TD-10 dissapated today just like in 2005. The next storm after that was Katrina. SAL is low in the Atlantic now and the models show what looks like soon to be Jose and TD-12. Gonna be a busy Sept.

Posted by: CDR M at August 26, 2011 08:29 PM (Ybl9g)

47 CDR M there is always talk that a massive storm like Irene kills her followers. One thought is that the eastern side of the storm pulls down cooler surface water.  There being no rocks between the islands off the coast of Africa and the Caribbean detailed observation is not good.

But #10 was really never very defined either.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at August 26, 2011 08:36 PM (AWahI)

48 I posted earlier today from the beach in Fernandina Beach, Florida. I believe that after Irene the NHC is going to look for an additional way to classify hurricanes. I'm repeating what I said earlier. I've been going to the beach to watch the surf resulting from brushes with tropical systems for 20 years and this was different. There was little wind and and rain but the surf was huge. The friggin storm was hundreds of miles off-shore. The forecasters have been trying to make the point that a 600+ miles wide storm is going to push a shitload of water on-shore bore out for NE Florida today.

People don't need to get too wrapped up in whether the winds have dropped by 10 mph. I mean, would you let a major league pitcher toss a fastball at your head if he slowed it down by 10 mph?

Posted by: As If! at August 26, 2011 08:37 PM (piMMO)

49 This Irene bitch is weak.

Irene is just as strong as was Katrina when it made landfall. I have photos of what it did to Mississippi. I've never seen anything like it in all my life. It was one of those rare instances that despite the dramatics, Shep Smith and Geraldo Rivera simply could not do it justice.

Posted by: As If! at August 26, 2011 08:41 PM (piMMO)

50 This guy is live reporting from the hurricane.

Curious, methinks the guy has had about two too many.

Posted by: As If! at August 26, 2011 08:44 PM (piMMO)

51 tomorrow they are closing some parkways in Jersey going in one direction, they will all go away from the coast. NYC is probably closing some bridges tomorrow also. Posted by: curious at August 27, 2011 12:24 AM (k1rwm) Oh I know, we are going way around Jersey, across Connecticut and New York down to Scranton and Allentown. Staying far from the coast and nowhere near any of the New Jersey roads or any of the interstates that come directly out of NYC like I-78 and I-80. The NJ Turnpike will be a giant clusterfuck tomorrow for sure.

Posted by: rockmom at August 26, 2011 08:46 PM (X/P6o)

52 Always with the negative waves man...

Posted by: Oddball at August 26, 2011 08:46 PM (ZUWaD)

53 Don't let the Category 2 rating make you think you can ride it out. That's always been the opinion on the Texas coast.  Then came Ike (very similar to Irene).  It was also a Cat 2 and so big that it pushed a whole lot of water ashore.  Almost everyone on the Bolivar Peninsula lost a home and many of the ones who rode it out because it was "only" a Cat 2 have never been found.  Get out.

Posted by: slug at August 26, 2011 08:50 PM (cPuUo)

54 Posted by: As If! at August 27, 2011 12:44 AM (piMMO)

hahhaha that's true...but you know I find gutsy people like this are the ones who eventually bring out the greatness in the rest of us....

Posted by: curious at August 26, 2011 09:21 PM (k1rwm)

55

 Irene is seven hundred miles in diameter. Dumping a lot of rain...and it is taking hours and hours to move past any single area.  For example, it'll be over the N.C. coast for approx. twenty hours. Each stop up the coast will get similar treatment from this storm. Inland flooding, downed trees, flying debris, etc., etc.,

 This might be one of those times when quantity has a quality all it's own.

 Be careful out there.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at August 26, 2011 09:23 PM (E7Z1r)

56 Well at least the dismal swamp fire might finally get put out. Starting to get some good rain bands here in VA.

Posted by: CDR M at August 26, 2011 09:33 PM (Ybl9g)

57 Any of you that have Directv can watch one of the local stations on channel 259. Pretty interesting.

Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2011 09:41 PM (eKuOw)

58 To the extent that a mass of land demarcated by arbitrary political boundaries can commune with God, my prayers are with you people from North Carolina to New York. On that note... remember me? Man up you pussies!

Posted by: Florida 2004 at August 26, 2011 10:32 PM (0pB27)

59 On that note... remember me? Man up you pussies!

Posted by: Florida 2004 at August 27, 2011 02:32 AM (0pB27)

I went a week without power. And I'm in NE Florida.

Posted by: As If! at August 26, 2011 10:42 PM (piMMO)

60 This is barely a cat 2, and the dry bands closed the eye. This will be a cat 1 the center comes ashore, it'll be a tropical storm by the time it reaches Delmarva.

It'll be about the same as the Dec 92 nor'easter. Not a gentle shower, but hardy "historic" or "like nothing seen before"

Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2011 10:52 PM (Y+DPZ)

61 I find it a little odd that since 2 pm Friday to 2 am Saturday, the sustained winds have held at 100 mph even with the eye degrading and the dry bands coming in, and the pressure holding at 951 mb.  I think someone is fudging to keep from being accused of overhyping the storm

Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2011 11:00 PM (Y+DPZ)

62 Hey TMI3rd!  Hope 4th and the rest of your family is doing well!  We got smoked tonight.  But the rain will wash away that pain, no problem.

Posted by: NC Ref at August 27, 2011 12:04 AM (/izg2)

63

Great post. Thanks. Glad Irene got weaker, North Carolina. Y'all stay safe.

For those who prepared and escaped damage, count your blessings and realize you are ready for any other disaster ahead. That's what those of us Florida evacuees do, anyway. We have evacuated for five or six in our 27 years on the east coast. Hurricane Floyd was set to wipe this island off the map. I was so thankful to have a home to come back to I did not care about the hassle involved in leaving. Count your blessings and take care.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 27, 2011 06:23 AM (fNdyx)

64 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 27, 2011 11:43 AM (pV6cO)

65 I am definitely bookmarking this page and sharing it with my friends.

Posted by: God, No! AudioBook at August 27, 2011 04:30 PM (K7myj)

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