August 01, 2011
— Ace Ah, Norah. A reliably reflexive liberal know-nothing, endlessly promoted through the ranks simply because she had Beauty Queen looks.
Finally she interrogates an administration official fiercely.
There's a catch, of course. Norah O"Donnell of MSNBC and Chris Matthews' Spank Bank demands to know why Obama sold us out.
Beauty fades but stupid lingers.
Specifically, CBS’s Norah O’Donnell peppered Carney with terse, accusatory questions about the lack of tax revenue (read: tax increases) in the debt ceiling deal. O’Donnell complained about how many GOP demands were met by the deal, and then said to Carney: “You gave them everything they wanted and we got nothing.” That “we” is very telling. It was a tense moment in the room, and O’Donnell seemed to give voice to frustrated liberals who feel the deal gave significantly more to Republicans than Democrats, and included no tax increases–something President Obama had demanded be included for most of the negotiations.
There is an argument about whether that "we" is as telling as it seems -- some defend Norah O'Donnell, claiming at this part of her question, she was asking a question from the point of view of the deal's progressive critics, and not in her own voice, necessarily.
I'd make three points: First, she's got some emotion invested in this question. You can hear the frustration in her voice. I don't think she's a talented woman, so I don't think she's just conjuring up some channeled dramatic pitch here.
Second, it is telling, to me, how solicitous she is of the progressive caucus' concerns. Throughout this entire debt deal, I have heard again and again how Republicans' concerns are either illegitimate or possibly borderline, arguably legitimate but will simply have to be put aside for the good of the country; but note that when it comes to a progressive whine about tax increases, she's on board in trumpeting that complaint.
Because that complaint, you see, is objectively superior to the conservatives' complaint. It must be, because no objective reporter would otherwise behave as if it has been objectively determined that one side is objectively right and one side is objectively wrong.
Third, and this really is just a variation of the last one, but it's important: Throughout this we have heard the MFM scream at the tops of their lungs that conservatives must compromise their principles away, and be less willing to fight for their agenda, because compromise trumps conservative values.
But what's Norah O'Donnell's implication here? Liberals and liberals alone should have fought harder for their agenda.
I thought fighting for principles was bad, no? It turns out I've missed yet another nuance.
So, objectively, we can rank the three values here in objective order, and we know this is the proper prioritization of these values because objective reporters, who are completely objective, have objectively ranked them thus:
1. First priority: the progressive agenda
2. Second priority: compromising for "the good of the country"
3. Third and last, absolute-bottom-level priority: the conservative agenda
So, there you go, an objective explanation for this seeming inconsistency in the MFM's attitudes, reporting, questions, and advocacy.
It is objectively determined that Progressivism > Compromise > Conservatism.
That's not bias. That's just the objective truth, and you know that must be true, because the objective reporters in the media are telling you so.
Thanks to Slublog.
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Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2011 10:23 AM (M9Ie6)
Absolutely nothing is stopping Ms O'Donnell from paying whatever tax rate she believes is correct.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 01, 2011 10:24 AM (7BU4a)
this is rather a red herring. When given the choice, Obama signed on to re-upping the Bush tax cuts.
Obama may want higher taxes, but he doesn't care about raising the rates right now much.
He wanted trillions more to piss away, and he got just that.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 01, 2011 10:26 AM (7BU4a)
O’Donnell complained about how many GOP demands were met by the deal, and then said to Carney: “You gave them everything they wanted and we got nothing.”
Isn't there a way we can just kill all the people on the Right?
Posted by: The Unbiased and Objective Mainstream Media, Working Towards a Better World at August 01, 2011 10:26 AM (QKKT0)
Seriously, you are spot-on. She had a lot more personally invested in that question then some alleged third-person voice.
Posted by: Marcus at August 01, 2011 10:26 AM (GyjB8)
Posted by: nevergiveup at August 01, 2011 10:27 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at August 01, 2011 10:28 AM (i6RpT)
That word "objective" doesn't mean what she seems to think it means. She also makes it crystal clear what she thinks the word "compromise" means, namely that conservatives must capitulate, always and forevermore, to what the far-left radical Progressives want.
But we knew that already.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 01, 2011 10:28 AM (d0Tfm)
Does she believe that raised taxes are really what she wants? Really? Really, really?? It's just got to be a show, doesn't it? I mean no one can be this stupid, can they? Please say no, so I can exit the corner and stop sucking my thumb.
Posted by: dogfish at August 01, 2011 10:28 AM (NuPNl)
Posted by: Z as in Jersey at August 01, 2011 10:28 AM (sXUiz)
Posted by: Norah O'Tunnel at August 01, 2011 10:28 AM (agD4m)
Norah, why don't you and all your pals at NBC take no itemized deductions on your next return and then take 50% of what's left and gift it to the Treasury. Give yourself a tax hike.
And that goes for you too Buffett. And your loss reserve account. Warren, why wait until your dead to give your money to the government to spend wisely? Oh, that's right, you gift it to a foundation as a charitable deduction allowing you to direct it per Gates.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at August 01, 2011 10:28 AM (qwK3S)
Posted by: nevergiveup at August 01, 2011 10:29 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Marcus at August 01, 2011 10:31 AM (GyjB8)
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 01, 2011 10:31 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at August 01, 2011 10:31 AM (UrPTC)
I picked this up over a TPM Josh Marshall is promoting it.
Let me get this straight. The President kept revenues on the table, did not touch the sunset provisions in the Bush tax cuts, ensured that military cuts keep the GOP honest, protected Medicare by adding in only provider cuts in the trigger, made the reduction apparently enough to stave off a debt downgrade, got the debt ceiling raised, wounded Boehner by demonstrating to the world that he is controlled by the Tea Party caucus, took out the requirement that a BBA be passed and sent to the states and got the extension through 2012? What exactly is wrong with this deal?
So the spin starts.
Posted by: Mister Money at August 01, 2011 10:31 AM (wN82N)
Posted by: Johnny at August 01, 2011 10:32 AM (iT/Iy)
It was on my television at the time, but I think that still counts.
Posted by: Obligatory Will Folkes reference at August 01, 2011 10:32 AM (3Okgs)
Posted by: flodigarry at August 01, 2011 10:32 AM (fyJAZ)
The amazing thing is that according to the media, there is No Merit whatsoever in being fiscally responsible.
They simply cannot fathom the notion.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 01, 2011 10:32 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 01, 2011 10:33 AM (l04LX)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 01, 2011 10:33 AM (agD4m)
Posted by: The Dude at August 01, 2011 10:33 AM (M8yfa)
Ace is just mad because she got promoted for her T&A rather than for her I&Q.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 01, 2011 10:33 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 01, 2011 10:33 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Mr Pink at August 01, 2011 10:34 AM (IE82C)
Does the scrunt know she can always pay extra taxes if she wants?
She, and most of the left, believe heavily in class warfare and compulsion, NOT free will.
Anything short of sticking it to "The Man" and giving handouts to the poor oppressed classes strikes her as patently unfair.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 01, 2011 10:35 AM (JqpkY)
Posted by: R. Nixon at August 01, 2011 10:36 AM (i6RpT)
Ever notice they can never manage to accurately repeat what Republican say?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 01, 2011 10:36 AM (agD4m)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 01, 2011 10:37 AM (pLTLS)
Juan "The Martyr" Williams got fired for not being biased enough. Does that count?
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 01, 2011 10:37 AM (Hx5uv)
But speaking of crazy/stupid bitches; I just got an e-mail from Christine O'Donnell asking for money.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2011 10:39 AM (LH6ir)
Hi, I'm one of the original Tea Party members.
I have to be honest, this bill goes too far. The cuts are draconian. And I'm afraid that voters in 2012 will remember how the Republicans kept the economy hostage. Sorry, but it's true.
Posted by: long time Tea Partier at August 01, 2011 10:39 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 01, 2011 10:39 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 01, 2011 10:40 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 01, 2011 10:40 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Sharkman at August 01, 2011 10:40 AM (wMsKw)
Posted by: nevergiveup at August 01, 2011 10:40 AM (i6RpT)
" . . . we got nothing . . ."
"We"? What the hell happened to Somesay? Some of you legal beagles need to jump on this. Does Somesay have a case for wrongful termination? Is he a victim of a RIF stemming from media downsizing?
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at August 01, 2011 10:41 AM (qwK3S)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 01, 2011 10:41 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 01, 2011 10:43 AM (3JtF1)
The White House gives the game away on their website - they have an article up where they're openly giddy about the deal.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 01, 2011 10:43 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: Dang at August 01, 2011 10:43 AM (TXKVh)
Posted by: Apple's Surplus Cash Holding at August 01, 2011 10:43 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: willow at August 01, 2011 10:43 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: C*ntessa Brewer at August 01, 2011 10:43 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 01, 2011 10:44 AM (l04LX)
"So, objectively, we can rank the three values here in objective order, and we know this is the proper prioritization of these values because objective reporters, who are completely objective, have objectively ranked them thus:
1. First priority: the progressive agenda
2. Second priority: compromising for "the good of the country"
3. Third and last, absolute-bottom-level priority: the conservative moderate agenda (as defined by progressives: which is exactly the same as #1, only with flag-waving faux-patriotism)." The conservative agenda is entirely criminal and illegal; not fit for sane discussion.
FIFY
Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at August 01, 2011 10:45 AM (jqHOY)
I don't think they're thinking things far ahead...
One of the big sticking points of the deal is that the baseline stays as-is, meaning that the expiring Bush tax cuts go into effect on January 1, 2013, as of now.
You think Bambi and the Dems want to defend that particular tax in November 2012? They'll be desperate to push it back at least one more year, which means either different taxes or new cuts that have to be negotiated with the House.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 01, 2011 10:46 AM (JqpkY)
Posted by: Mr Pink at August 01, 2011 10:46 AM (IE82C)
That should be "the Bush tax cuts expire, meaning higher taxes as of January 1, 2013, as of now".
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 01, 2011 10:47 AM (JqpkY)
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 01, 2011 10:48 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: A very concerned former conservative at August 01, 2011 10:48 AM (TXKVh)
Posted by: Chameleon Victory at August 01, 2011 10:49 AM (wnGI4)
Hmmm....the MFM says it has no liberal bias. This along with all of the other examples of the out and out left leaning bias must be a figment of our imagination
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 01, 2011 10:49 AM (1Jaio)
Well Norah, she is pretty but I think she got rolled by a bunch of liberal posers at Southern Alabama U.
Hell, I'd pretend I am totally into Che to get into her flowery little undies.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at August 01, 2011 10:49 AM (tcSZb)
OT - Ready for more helpings of DOOM? This piece is several days old, but:
KAHLILI: Iranian missiles could soon reach U.S. shores
I'm not so worried about the Iranians putting Iranian-flagged warships into the Atlantic Ocean, as in a straight-up fight the US Navy would completely destroy the much, much inferior Iranian Navy with relative ease, but I am worried about the non-flagged Iranian container ships loaded with possibly nuclear-armed ballastic missiles.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 01, 2011 10:49 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 01, 2011 10:50 AM (w41GQ)
Maybe. Limbaugh thinks they'll wait until then and say that since the economy still sucks (which it will) after trying what those mean Tea Partiers wanted it's clearly time for massive new taxes and massive new spending (ie, another porkulus).
Posted by: Ian S. at August 01, 2011 10:50 AM (tqwMN)
But it is never Their money. it's always a command but it always has a caveat of others money
so the disturbing part is Who rubs their noses in their Lies? anyone ?
why not ?
When taxes come up as now. Why aren't they handing out forms to Donate to the GVT. Why don't They lead their cause and do what they say is right?
share the load of course does not Mean them. It means steal others stuff so they can feel Gooooood about making others pay for their dreams to come true.
Posted by: willow at August 01, 2011 10:51 AM (h+qn8)
Specifically, CBSÂ’s Norah OÂ’Donnell peppered Carney with terse, accusatory questions about the lack of tax revenue (read: tax increases) in the debt ceiling deal.
Paulie Krugnuts was complaining about this too. The problem is that it's a blatant lie.
The deal extends the debt ceiling through the end of 2012, but the debt "reduction" measures extend over a period of ten years. Guess what expires in 2013?
That's right, the Bush tax rates and the Obama FICA cut. Nor does total spending drop in any year of the deal. In other words, this deal raises taxes and raises spending, and doesn't cut the national debt one single penny. It's the height of absurdity that any Democrat should be upset by this deal at all.
Posted by: Red Rocks Rockin at August 01, 2011 10:51 AM (GAh/e)
Posted by: Fritz at August 01, 2011 10:51 AM (p2IBw)
Posted by: Pissed off 26-year old with three part-time jobs at August 01, 2011 10:51 AM (e2VMT)
Posted by: Mr Pink at August 01, 2011 10:54 AM (2E+aE)
Posted by: nevergiveup at August 01, 2011 10:54 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 01, 2011 10:55 AM (/zYUh)
Posted by: Bob Saget, teabagging debt zombies from Mordor at August 01, 2011 10:55 AM (F/4zf)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 01, 2011 02:44 PM
That's why they tell you that Europeans are riotously happy, take longer vacations, live happily with less, are thinner, read leftist newspapers more, and dutifully board their trains.
They don't tell you that Europe is going tits up faster than we are
Posted by: C*ntessa Brewer at August 01, 2011 10:56 AM (Y+DPZ)
'Well Norah, she is pretty but I think she got rolled by a bunch of liberal posers at Southern Alabama U.
Hell, I'd pretend I am totally into Che to get into her flowery little undies.'
Yep, be there, done that!
Posted by: Pissed off 26-year old with three part-time jobs at August 01, 2011 10:56 AM (e2VMT)
Posted by: As IF... at August 01, 2011 10:57 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: nevergiveup at August 01, 2011 10:58 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 01, 2011 10:58 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: nevergiveup at August 01, 2011 11:00 AM (i6RpT)
My shrink is a liberal. He knows I'm a conservative. We can still talk about stuff, even political stuff. Today he asked me, with some incredulity why Republican Reps absolutely refused to compromise and raise some taxes or close some loopholes. He evidenced that the rates were higher under Clinton and unemployment was low, whereas rates were low at the end of Bush 43 and unemployment was going up. He ran out the canards of corporations sitting on tons of cash (as if that entitles the government to some of it) and depreciation schedules for corporate jets. I held my tongue.
Rather than shoot down his premises with refutations based in historical and economic reality, I simply said that the TEA party Congressmen ran on a promise of not raising taxes, period; The House is Republican because of the TEA movement; Therefore, the House will honor that promise as long as those reps are principled and keep their promise.
But even though he's an old lib from greater Boston with money to burn, he can't figure out why taxing the rich and raking businesses further over the coals isn't the simple solution.
He did however volunteer that entitlements will have to be "tweaked"... he suggested a lower limit to Medicare and SS of age 67.
Psychology is a racket run by liberals. Just prescribe me my damn meds and stop trying to make excuses for everything.
Posted by: Truman North at August 01, 2011 11:01 AM (K2wpv)
I have to be honest, this bill goes too far. The cuts are draconian. And I'm afraid that voters in 2012 will remember how the Republicans kept the economy hostage. Sorry, but it's true.
Ha!! You almost sent me off on a troll-concern rant, Soothsayer.
Posted by: As IF... at August 01, 2011 11:01 AM (piMMO)
From whatever point of view she may have been asking the question, she is to remain an unbiased, objective onlooker to events. Making an inclusive we defines an "our side" and "their side" and is completely inappropriate unless "our side" happens to be the station, or the media in general. The media should *not* be making "we" claims as a voice of the people, though they frequently do.
This use of the inclusive "we" implies either that she and others in the "we" group are personally on the side of the Democrats, which is open admission to a lack of objectivity; or, she is claiming to as the 4th estate represent the "people" and that the "people" were on the side of the Democrats, which is not only highly biased but wildly inaccurate.
Either way it is an admission of a lack of objectivity in this debate; and likely as a news reporter in general.
Once in a while the mask slips down. . .
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 01, 2011 11:02 AM (0q2P7)
84 The Left's story is always that they lost and lost big, despite the fact that they win constantly. They think it helps people be more sympathetic toward them fundraising, if they constantly drumbeat the "We lost" refrain.
Slight mod.
Posted by: The Schwalbe : © at August 01, 2011 11:03 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: steevy at August 01, 2011 11:04 AM (UR4hV)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 01, 2011 11:07 AM (ws24P)
I have to be honest, this bill goes too far. The cuts are draconian. And I'm afraid that voters in 2012 will remember how the Republicans kept the economy hostage. Sorry, but it's true.
Really long time Tea Partier? Concerned we're going to far? The Taxed Enough Already crowd. Just how did you think we would get debt under control with a 1.5T deficit without raising taxes Mr. Taxed Enough Already? Happy thoughts? You are just deeply concerned right?
You know, the Curve Ball was invented in 1870. No one is even surprised to see one any more.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 01, 2011 11:08 AM (0q2P7)
Yeah, their agenda that she is 100% supportive of.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at August 01, 2011 11:09 AM (1rHeD)
Posted by: steevy at August 01, 2011 03:04 PM (UR4hV)
Next time yell out "Reagan was our greatest president" during climax.
Posted by: buzzion at August 01, 2011 11:09 AM (oVQFe)
Oh make no mistake this skankmuffin feels jilted and jizzed on and she wants Bambi and his minions to know it.
“You gave them everything they wanted and we got nothing.”
If this doesn't speak to the liberal mindset, I don't know what does.
Posted by: dananjcon at August 01, 2011 11:10 AM (8ieXv)
The preface "Some Democrats are saying, ...." has been left out. Completely changes the context and makes this a non-story.
Not that I don't believe she is thinking this, but she didn't say it.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 01, 2011 11:14 AM (+irH7)
And hang on for as long as you can afterwards. I'd suggest honing in on your "bucking" skills by visiting a local cowboy bar and riding the bull thingy several times.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 01, 2011 11:15 AM (9hSKh)
I'm guessing a resounding HELL YES.
That's what SHE said.
Posted by: Ashleigh Banfield at August 01, 2011 11:15 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Pablo at August 01, 2011 11:23 AM (1fuCG)
Posted by: Rachel Maddow at August 01, 2011 02:58 PM (Y+DPZ)
With those recent Harry Potter look photos, I'm thinking you taste like extremely soaked cat litter.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2011 11:23 AM (zsvKP)
For someone with so little tolerance for decadence you sure do have a one-track mind when it comes to soft-core queen Shannon Tweed.
Just don't start up on a poetry jag about Ms. Tweed the way Jack did about Suzanne Sena.
Posted by: As IF... at August 01, 2011 11:23 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 01, 2011 11:25 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: 80sBaby at August 01, 2011 11:30 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: willow at August 01, 2011 11:38 AM (h+qn8)
I LOVE THE NAME ODONNEL!
YOU GOT NORAH, ROSIE AND *SWOON* LAWRENCE (YUM)!
IM CHANGING MY NAME TO ODONNEL!
Posted by: KayInMaine at August 01, 2011 12:48 PM (g7xmg)
The preface "Some Democrats are saying, ...." has been left out. Completely changes the context and makes this a non-story.
Not that I don't believe she is thinking this, but she didn't say it.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 01, 2011 03:14 PM
Hmmm...well she did say it. She didn't say this... "Some Democrats are saying, and I quote..." Or she could have said "Some Democrats are saying they..." No, she used the inclusive "we." Pretty simple really, she made a slip or is an idiot or both.
Posted by: Deanna at August 01, 2011 12:53 PM (H7MAP)
Inimitatable.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 01, 2011 01:13 PM (zsjtg)
Posted by: Katy Perry at August 01, 2011 01:27 PM (XgePz)
Beauty fades but stupid lingers.
Ah yes indeed. And when I look at the wreck of the beauty queen that was Nora O'Donnell, I'm reminded--with a wry smile--of an incident that took place in student politics nigh on 50 years ago--just as feminism was beginning to rear its head.
Seems as if a very good looking young woman was running fot Student Body President at one of the California State University campuses. A fellow who led a particular student faction that supported another (male) candidate for the post put out a newsletter to his faction which said, in part, "She's good for a weekend boys, but being student body president is an all week long job."
In those more innocent days it was possible for a student politico to say that sort of thing without really knowing that a shit storm was soon to follow.
Well the shit storm did happen; still the lady lost and the male candidate wor and all was right with the world.
Now what can we say about Queen Nora? Too dumb to hunt with the pack?
Posted by: Comanche Voter at August 01, 2011 03:27 PM (3ESDJ)
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She went after him during the last presser that I watched as well. It looks like for at least her, she is taking tapper's place.
Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2011 10:22 AM (M9Ie6)