1 the president is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure and so is al gore........

2 Finally something I can agree with. No one ever points out that Population control is racist as well. The biggest booms are amongst people of color. Therefore it is poor minorities that are supposed to stop breeding.

3 Oh damn....for a minute there I was feeling very centered.

4 CARLIN: Let me tell you about endangered species, all right? Saving endangered species is just one more arrogant attempt by humans to control nature. It's arrogant meddling. It's what got us in trouble in the first place. Doesn't anybody understand that? Interfering with nature. Over 90%, way over 90% of all the species that have ever lived on this planet, ever lived, are gone. They're extinct. We didn't kill them all. They just disappeared. That's what nature does. We're so self-important, so self-important. Everybody is going to save something now. Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails. And the greatest arrogance of all, save the planet. What? I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths, people trying to make the world safe for their Volvos. There is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are (bleep) -- difference, difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. It's been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little more than 200 years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion, and we have the conceit to think that somehow we're a threat, that somehow we're going to put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun? The planet has been through a lot worse than us, been through all kinds of things worse than us, been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sunspots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles, hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages, and we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn't going anywhere. We are! We're going away.

5 The planet isn't going anywhere. We are! We're going away. Posted by: Mike Hunt at December 23, 2011 08:13 AM (G6kli) I hears you, Mike!

6 The biggest booms are amongst people of color. Therefore it is poor minorities that are supposed to stop breeding. Posted by: Mike Hunt at December 23, 2011 08:12 AM (G6kli) I would argue you're missing another dynamic in play: Rich White Suburban Liberal Whites that make a fetish of adopting only Designer Color Babies - and by Designer, I mean Swarthy. See, Liberals want the White-Challenged Part of Humanity to a) Stay Poor to Save the Planet, and b) Breed so They (Rich White Liberals) Don't Have To. Ultimately, White Liberals just want the rest of us Whities to drop off the vine.

7 If its sustainable more than four hours, seek immediate medical help.

8 but.... but my starbucks coffee cup says it's made from 120 % recycled trees and stuff

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

10 Rich White Suburban Liberal Whites that make a fetish of adopting only Designer Color Babies - and by Designer, I mean Swarthy.

Actually, adopting a white baby can be difficult.  Demand is very high for the obvious reason that the adoption does not appear apparent.  The supply of minority babies is much higher.

11 I was getting ready for a meeting last week, and a co-worker had printed several copies of some document or other.  He was complaining (originally from SoCal, but we're working on some of his more liberal proclivities) about having to use that much paper, but we couldn't get a projector for the meeting.

So he's complaining and feeling guilty, and I turn around and say, "John.  They're trees.  They grow back."  He looked like I'd kicked his puppy.

12 @10: without a doubt, one reason Designer Colors are in is because too many white girls get abortions. Still, I find it odd that you never, EVER see Asians or any other minority ever, EVER adopt white kids. Gee, you don't think RACISM may be a cause, do you??

13 If there are more dark-skinned babies, how are they a "minority"?

14 Rich, white liberals aren't reproducing.  So we do have that going for us.

15 AllenG, you should show your idiot coworker this. And although he does use the "s" word (sustainable), he's talking about trees, which actually are. They're just crops, after all.

16 FYI, it is estimated that there currently more trees in the United States than there was in the territory when Columbus arrived in the New World. Why? The Old Growth forests in wetter areas were chopped down, and the second generation growth came back far more numerous than the first. Even better, humans have irrigated the drier areas, making the land more friendly to tree growth. Finally, humans love to plant trees. What's ridiculous that this liberal tree obsession prevents tree trimming and clearing away from roads and power lines in tree-saturated states like Connecticut. We have more trees, in absolute numbers, than ANY state in the Country except Maine - and of course, Maine is several larger than tiny Connecticut. (I'm not sure if Alaska was included in that stat - but given how much of it is frozen, it could be) Yet we have more trees than California, New York, Texas... but Liberals here leave yellow stains in their panties at the mention of tree clearing for the sake of safety.

17 This echoes a point we've made here at the HQ on many occasions when greenies get all warm and fuzzy cuddling their Chevy Volts and Nissan Leafs (or is it Leaves? ... no matter).

The proper terminology is subsidymobiles

And subsidies are eternally sustainable, are they not?

18 @10: without a doubt, one reason Designer Colors are in is because too many white girls get abortions.

Actually no.  The group with the highest abortion rates are African Americans, which is by design (Margaret Sanger's brainchild Planned Parenthood sees to that).

The reason is most infertile couples are white.  Or to be more accurate, most infertile couples with the capacity to adopt are white.  So demand is high for white babies, higher than the supply.

19 A couple of the local coffeeshops have crudely lettered little signs on the dispensers full of scratchy brown paper napkins: "DONT TAKE 2 MANY NAPKINS = TREES!!!" Often with a little picture of a tree.

It makes me quietly furious. Yep, napkins come from trees. Trees grown specifically for that purpose. If by some miracle we all stopped using paper and the demand for pulpwood went down, the result would not be forests left pristine and untouched. It would be forests getting cleared off so the land can be used for something profitable.

Plus, the napkins are mostly made of evil CARBON, sucked right out of the atmosphere by those trees. When they're dirty they go in the landfill where they are buried. If greenies really don't like carbon in the atmosphere, they should each try to use about a ton of napkins per day.

Needless to say, of course, trees and the environment really have nothing to do with this situation. The coffeeshop owners just don't like spending money on napkins and came up with an effective technique to keep their hippie customers from taking too many. Because hippies love not paying for stuff almost as much as they love trees.

20 The proper terminology is subsidymobiles And subsidies are eternally sustainable, are they not? Posted by: Jeremiad was a Bullfrog at December 23, 2011 08:36 AM (Og1Kk) Well... until they catch fire three days after a minor fender-bender and burn down your house, I suppose. Make sure you have fresh batteries in your smoke detectors.

21 11 AllenG I said the same thing to some students who had made a similar comment to me. I also pointed out that paper companies PLANT trees so that they will be able to continue to harvest them AND that more pollution is generated by recycling paper than by harvesting trees.

22 13 If there are more dark-skinned babies, how are they a "minority"?
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 23, 2011 08:32 AM (rCEvh)

On a planetary level, they are the majority.

23 The reason is most infertile couples are white. Or to be more accurate, most infertile couples with the capacity to adopt are white. So demand is high for white babies, higher than the supply. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 23, 2011 08:38 AM (FkKjr) And is it the mere fact they are white that makes them infertile, or the New Liberal Social Model that makes white women put off marriage for a decade or two for the sake of "Career," so by the time they hit their 40's they are running around all in a panic looking for either Mr. Right, a successful Fertility Clinic, or begging to borrow their neighbor's turkey baster?

24

That man is wearing a black tie. It's pronounced 'doon-say'.

25 19 A couple of the local coffeeshops have crudely lettered little signs on the dispensers full of scratchy brown paper napkins: "DONT TAKE 2 MANY NAPKINS = TREES!!!" Often with a little picture of a tree.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 23, 2011 08:39 AM (rCEvh)

Oh, for the days when we made floats for the Homecoming parade out of wood, chicken wire and napkins. It would be such a treat to hit up businesses like those for donations of paper products.

26 What does twitter say about this?

27 Trees should, like, be made out of hemp, man.

28 The planet isn't going anywhere. We are! We're going away.

We should be going everywhere!

29 @27: Liberals never met a deficit they thought unsustainable. By the way, Why are celebrating Obama's "victory" for getting the public a 2 month "tax cut" when the GOP wanted to give them 12 months? Never mind that the GOP as usual behaved like a bunch of political morons (they should have approved the 2 months, and immediately proposed an additional 10). That's what Republicans Do, after all - managing the incredible feat of making Obama look like a tax cutter. The simple fact is, this "tax cut" is really just the Defunding of Social Security, something the GOP wanted to do for a long, long time. But if the GOP proposed letting Americans keep $40 a month or whatever it is to invest in their private retirement fund, the Democrats would be in fits of hysterical opposition. They would accuse the GOP of Defunding Social Security, and our beloved seniors would be soiling their Depends in fear. And yet... Here We Are. Politics in this country truly makes absolutely No Sense at times.

30 Crap, Why are DEMOCRATS celebrating a victory, I meant.

31 I said the same thing to some students who had made a similar comment to me. I also pointed out that paper companies PLANT trees so that they will be able to continue to harvest them AND that more pollution is generated by recycling paper than by harvesting trees.

They great thing was the sad puppy look on his face when he said, "Well, at least it's recycled," and I rejoined with, "Oh, so it costs more and isn't as good.  Good to know."

I hate the "green" movement with a hot hot hate.  All of them- every single one- is either a crypto-Marxist (sometimes not so 'crypto') or someone who wants to see the "stain" of humanity wiped from the earth.  It makes me sick.

32 Because Boner is a chump. The only thing worse than a Reflublican is a democRAT

33 The only thing worse than a Reflublican is a democRAT

Define "worse."  At least we're aware from the outset that Democrats aren't on our side.

34 For a time -- it still may be going on, but I resigned from the American Chemical Society over the obnoxious greenness and warmist diatribes by the editor of its mandatory publication -- there was a movement afoot in chemistry to be as conservative as possible in the creation of new compounds. I forget by what term they called it (chemjeff, do you know?).
The idea was that to make Vitamin B12 (C₆₃H₈₈CoN₁₄O₁₄P), for example, you'd use nothing more than sixty-three atoms of carbon, eighty-eight atoms of hydrogen, one atom of cobalt, and so forth. Which would be a really neat trick, because actual synthesis of such compounds usually requires adding, and later removing, protective groups at reactive locations in the final product where you didn't want something to happen during the synthesis.
There were a few successes, if I recall correctly. But the movement hasn't taken the industry by storm (yet, if ever).

35

Which make the Rs that much more traitorous.

And by this I mean the politicians not the citizenry. Or as Washington thinks of them, peasantry.

36 I hate the "green" movement with a hot hot hate. All of them- every single one- is either a crypto-Marxist (sometimes not so 'crypto') or someone who wants to see the "stain" of humanity wiped from the earth. It makes me sick. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 23, 2011 08:52 AM (8y9MW) I hate the companies that "Go Green" even more, because they know better but are a bunch of cynical bastards that would sell their own grandmothers on street corners if they could make a dime off it.

37

Heh.

What wood yo' do wich yo' foty clam?

38 I always get a laugh at the statement that some green energy project will power 10,000 homes, which sounds like alot unless you know that about one medium size factory.

39

If it weren't for the "dunce" tatoo I think I would have spewed my coffee at the site of Goracle, this early (for me on this particular day).

 

Way past correct on the post. The products used in the manufacture of solar and wind programs contain literally tons of metals, fiber glass, chemical bonding agents, plastic insulations, all of which take megawatts of electricity to produce themselves.

Always remember: bacon will only make more bacon.

40 37 I hate the companies that "Go Green" even more, because they know better but are a bunch of cynical bastards that would sell their own grandmothers on street corners if they could make a dime off it.
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 23, 2011 08:56 AM (niZvt)

The companies that "go green" are ahead of the curve and most likely have written the new rules that they're encouraging the government to foist upon their industry, especially their competitors who didn't get there "firstest with the mostest".

In earlier times, this was called by its proper name, restraint of trade. Now, it's called being corporately responsible.

41 What does the term "green energy" actually mean? It means that the only reason it is still around is because the damn socialist government pumps tons of taxpayer green into it to artificially sustain a business with the prospects of the Dodo.

42 Every once in a while the greenies like to spout stats about renewable energy use, and how we suck because we are actually behind poorer countries. What they don't say is that all the renewable energy being burnt in the 3rd world is dried antelope crap and wood, burnt to stay warm and cook.

43 "John.  They're trees.  They grow back."  He looked like I'd kicked his puppy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 23, 2011 08:30 AM (8y9MW)

Heh...I love to tell my (v few) liberal friends about the 'targets' that move into my yard....they look confused and ask, targets?  Then I explain 'targets' is a euphemism for ground hogs...they move in, dig their own graves, I kill them and God provides me with more targets.  The looks I get from that are priceless...

44 After I bought my $4 cup of sustainable Fair Trade Coffee, I asked the girl behind the counter if the milk was Fair Trade, too. She looked at me with an utterly blank impression on her face. I guess gals don't adopt the exciting barista lifestyle because they are budding rocket scientists??

45

Greenies love to show you pictures of an old-growth hardwood forest and then say "recycle paper, save a tree". Paper is made from pulpwood forests which are harvested and replanted every 25 years (pine) to 45 years (aspen).

Prime example of this ploy was choosing between wiping your butt with a spotted owl or tissue.

46 Do yourselves a favor, unless you offend easily, and google "Ten Best Vagina Tattoos." Some are hilarious - like the Homer Simpson face tattooed all over the idiot's pubic mound. Guess what makes Homer's mouth?? But the one with the Willie Nelson tattoo... really eerie.

47 I once rode a motorcycle back to Lubbock from down south of Austin. It was November and cold but I also had a rifle slung across my shoulders and two deer strapped on the rear. I sure got a lot of looks. Especially from wide eyed old ladies. But I also got a lot of smiling thumbs up waves too. I suppose I am probably about as far from politically correct as you can get.

48 impression = expression in my comment #45, btw

49 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 23, 2011 09:06 AM (niZvt)

....I gave up buying coffee from any of the usual suspect places...but I do admit, CC, it is awfully fun to f with the employees with comments such as yours!

50 Eat recycled food. It's good for you and the environment.

51

The left want to destroy the oil/gas/coal industry before we have the "new energy economy" in place. Meanwhile, our tax dollars are paying for solar companies to go bankrupt.

Clean energy must compete and be viable to act as a real alternative. Until then - the left are not only DUNCE - they are hypocrites. As they speed off with a carbon producing machine to another Al Gore conference in some exotic locale.

52 I guess gals don't adopt the exciting barista lifestyle because they are budding rocket scientists??

You're leaving out the most important part of the story, namely was she hot?

53 Speaking of the environment, there's a report that Bo the dog flew to Hawaii with Moochelle and the kids and was flown back to DC to facilitate the SCOAMF's campaign appearance at Petsmart.  As Insty always says, I don't want to hear a word about my own carbon emissions after that kind of a stunt.

54 Good post, Andy.  I have a liberal FB "friend" who's spouting off about his new Tesla car.  How fast it goes, etc.  I kept saying to him:  "but it's electric."  But but but it's fast and ......"but it's electric you spineless pussy liberal." 

55

Well, this is yet another thing we did to ourselves through electing idiots to high orifice.

The Clean Air and Clean Water Acts are the legal bludgeons that are now being used by the EPA and the Socialist-Green Movement to drastically restrict how, where, and by what methods we can create energy. These two terrible pieces of legislation have resulted in an unelected minority of fringe, leftist radicals to dictate our national energy policies.

They should be repealed, with the responsibility going to the individual states, which is only logical, given the physical diversity of land above and below ground. However, logic is a foreign concept to those who seek control: all that matters is their power, everything else is dismissed, the ends always justify the means, with the end being them in power.

When will we start being smarter about whom we elect? There are plenty of people out there with commons sense who could be running, but we keep electing lying, power-mad narcissists to office who don't have a clue how the world actually works, currently embodied in El SCOAMF and his band of Merry Marxists.

56 @55: in fairness to electric cars, having 100% of torque at 0 RPM is pretty awesome.  It's just the energy storage problem is nowhere near solved to make that practical.

57 When Carlin was 'on' he was a genius. His stupid people buying stupid shit kills me every time I hear it.

58 53 I guess gals don't adopt the exciting barista lifestyle because they are budding rocket scientists?? You're leaving out the most important part of the story, namely was she hot? Posted by: Waterhouse at December 23, 2011 09:17 AM (rOPwp) Hawt Asian Chick with a couple of frothy Lattes, Mi Amigo!

59 56 There are plenty of people out there with common sense who could be running... Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at December 23, 2011 09:20 AM (d0Tfm)

...but who do not want to have their lives torn apart by the ravenous twin wolf packs of the press and opposition research.

60 57 ...until we get a flux capacitor.

61 Running everything on electricity would be environmentally friendly, as far as not relocating particulates from the ground to the atmosphere, and quite efficient if we built enough nuclear power plants to power everything. But the Greens say no to nukes, so I guess we have to keep drilling, mining, and burning stuff to keep civilization going. Greens seem to lack an understand of cause and effect.

62 57 @55: in fairness to electric cars, having 100% of torque at 0 RPM is pretty awesome. It's just the energy storage problem is nowhere near solved to make that practical. Posted by: Ian S. at December 23, 2011 09:21 AM (Lpdzt) And quite possibly... NEVER will be. All the "progress" and "technological innovation" in the world can't change the Rules of Physics. "Solar and Windpower" are the two greatest SciFi Myths I've been hearing about my entire life. It's the Future That Never Comes.

63 Andy,

Well done. This is the liberal conceit that irks me the most (and there are many that irk me plenty!).

My particular interest is the production and distribution of food, which is unbelievably efficient. I can buy pork ribs here in NJ, raised, slaughtered and butchered in Iowa, and shipped here for $2/lb. But the locavores and the cooperative farm loons and the green cocksuckers want me to drive to Western NJ (burning nasty fossil fuels) and buy $12/lb. local pork that was raised by an unrepentant hippie.

Oh, and that amazing production and distribution system could feed the world effortlessly if it weren't for our politicians. Imagine an Africa without a starving child! But it wouldn't be sustainable and green, so we should let the little bastards starve.

64 61 57 ...until we get a flux capacitor.
Posted by: sTevo at December 23, 2011 09:24 AM (q1Tbv)

Greatest scientific-sounding name, ever, for a deus ex machina device in movies!

65
   $4 for a cup of coffee????  Be the fucking day I ever pay that for a stupid cup of caffein.

  No, never been to Starbucks or any of the plethora of coffee houses. And won't be going.

66 The next couple of decades are going to suck power wise if we don't end this fetish. Nukes are going to be decommissioned, and dams are going to be breached, and we aren't going to be able to burn coal. Wind and solar can't be built, either, much less will they work.

67

57@55: in fairness to electric cars, having 100% of torque at 0 RPM is pretty awesome. It's just the energy storage problem is nowhere near solved to make that practical.

 

 

I get all that, but I guess i'm too much of a muscle car guy to ever appreciate that electric bullshit.  Give me a Cutlass Supreme with a 3 stage chip in it or a Chevelle anyday...

68 68
I get all that, but I guess I'm too much of a muscle car guy to ever appreciate that electric bullshit.  Give me a Cutlass Supreme with a 3 stage chip in it or a Chevelle anyday...
Posted by: learflyer at December 23, 2011 09:29 AM (9vscO)

Imagine a NASCAR race in which all vehicles are electric. Imagine pigs flying. (Visualize whirled peas.)

69 Don't appreciate electric motors? Look at freight trains electric vs. diesel.

70

There's a pretty cool diesel-electric hybrid that passes close to our place 8 or 10 times a day.

Norfolk and Southern.

71 A NASCAR race with no engine noise? I might go see that.

72 You're leaving out the most important part of the story, namely was she hot?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 23, 2011 09:17 AM (rOPwp)

This is why I despair for America. Nobody focuses on the important things any more.

73

...but who do not want to have their lives torn apart by the ravenous twin wolf packs of the press and opposition research.

Definitely this. The only thing that's stopping me from going Full-Curmudgeon is the hope that one day, someone will step forward and run for office that isn't afraid of the Soros media. Someone who will plainly state the truth and never back down from any scurrilous attack.

However, that hope is fading quickly, and I'm not to far away from telling the whole world to get off my lawn (except for Morons, of course).

74

There is 1 ting which I believe is entirely sustainable :

Google "stuttering cluster miserable failure"

454000 hits. I know for a fact we can sustain that.

75 Oh, I forgot there was no Doom thread for me to pollute with non-Doomy off topic today.

I have a job offer, folks. Matched my current salary and giving me 5K to spend on relocation (5 hours from where I am now).

I finally get to escape this place I hate and walk away from banking. I hope for the last time.

76 Rich, white liberals aren't reproducing. So we do have that going for us.

Posted by: jjmurphy at December 23, 2011 08:34 AM (xjEAl)

 

Alas - they took over the public schools.  They don't have to reproduce.  They just indoctrinate everyone else's kids.

Also, the underclass created by the social policies of rich white libtards continues to grow.  Those people are even worse, because they're fairly useless and nearly unfixable. 

77
  One of the sweetest sounds is a BIG V-8 working hard to make power. Nothing else like it.

78 All the "progress" and "technological innovation" in the world can't change the Rules of Physics.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 23, 2011 09:27 AM

Ya know how long I've been tellin' that to Capt. Cocksman? The guy pushes a button on his Barca-lounger, barks an order to Sulu, and thinks that's all it takes to make the Enterprise do warp 9 to happy hour on some Orion nudie bar

79 Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 23, 2011 09:36 AM (a/mzt)

They are amazing, aren't they?

During Christmas season at my old job (UPS in CA) we would get an outbound train on property with five 4000+HP engines. When they tested them before pulling out the entire building would shake and rumble.

80 78
  One of the sweetest sounds is a BIG V-8 working hard to make power. Nothing else like it.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 23, 2011 09:41 AM

Except a small block V-8

81 I finally get to escape this place I hate and walk away from banking. I hope for the last time.

Posted by: Scott J at December 23, 2011 09:39 AM (KC2BE)

Congrats, and did you hug your recruiter?

82 Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at December 23, 2011 09:38 AM (lOnIe)

How is it that AoSHQ is not #1 on that search?...as Rev. Al would say, "Prepostermuch!".

83 Al Gore is worth a 100 million at least, that's a con man not a dunce, Friedman married the General Properties heir, and his house is like something out of Richie Rich.

84 78, Amen. Ever since I sold my SVT Cobra the sound of a high performance Ford 4.6 makes me mist up a bit.

It's been 5 years now and I still miss it.

85 Congratulations Scott, that's great. What town/city/ area are you headed to?

86 82, my recruiter is in another state. We've never met face to face. How about that?

87

"Just where do they think that electricity comes from? Oh, right ... the magic holes in the wall."

 

Keep calling them 'coal powered cars'

88 78
  One of the sweetest sounds is a BIG V-8 working hard to make power. Nothing else like it.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 23, 2011 09:41 AM (SAMxH)

....were talking about NHRA TFuel rails yesterday...nothing like it, indeed!!!

89 Hydro is near its useful capacity. We've damned near dammed up just about every useful river. I forget the stats, but there aren't that many sites worth putting a large scale generating facility on.

90 Good news and congratulations, Scott! Enjoy your new life in upstate SC (and vote Miss Lindsay out in 2014, if you don't mind)!

91 84 Al Gore is worth a 100 million at least, that's a con man not a dunce, Friedman married the General Properties heir, and his house is like something out of Richie Rich.
Posted by: randolph Duke at December 23, 2011 09:45 AM

Multiply that by 10 and you're pretty close. Not a bad haul for basically running an exchange whose commodities are paperwork and air

92

"Rich, white liberals aren't reproducing.  So we do have that going for us."

Think of it as evolution in action.

93 What town/city/ area are you headed to

Moving from the Birmingham, AL area to Seneca, SC (or nearby).

Leaping from banking to learning and doing ERP software for a tool manufacturer.

94 Just dropping out of lurkville to wish all the 'rons and 'ettes a MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR, hopefully we can get rid of that cockholster in DC next year.

95 Oh, and that amazing production and distribution system could feed the world effortlessly if it weren't for our politicians. Imagine an Africa without a starving child! But it wouldn't be sustainable and green, so we should let the little bastards starve.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 23, 2011 09:27 AM (nEUpB)

 

Not effortlessly.  It's not just a spigot that turns on and off - it takes a lot of work and, more importantly, intelligence to run the modern food distribution system. 

Even given nearly ideal political arrangements, it would only work for a while.  There will never be a day when there isn't a starving child in Africa (or several other places for that matter).  Some cultures are simply rapacious.  They will consume all that is available and continue to grow more numerous until whatever production they have is no longer enough, and the starvation cycle begins anew. 

The sustainable population of any region is not infinite.  When the culture is crude and ignorant, that max number is much lower than it would otherwise be.

96 Irongrampa, have you ever heard of Bowman Gray racetrack in Winston-Salem? It's apparently one of the "birthplaces" of stock car racing. Anyway I went to a race there a couple years ago and can still remember the wave of sound that smacked me when they started up. The place is just a big concrete bowl and I swear the concrete was trembling 100 ft from the track. Crazy loud.

97 57 @55: in fairness to electric cars, having 100% of torque at 0 RPM is pretty awesome.
_______

I was under the impression that one of Tesla's innovations was using induction motors.

98 Soylent Green is sustainable.

99 One of the sweetest sounds is a BIG V-8 working hard to make power. Nothing else like it.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 23, 2011 09:41 AM

This is for you, a 68 GT Mustang is included

100

Slow day!  Only 101 comments in two hours?  Is everyone on the road for the long weekend?

101

Interesting headline from Yahoo

A new survey ranks the positions in which women feel most satisfied and successful.

102 @ 99

  Yep, I have. Most of my racing has been straight line, 1/4 mile at a go.

  Long time back, our local strip had Don Garlits guesting.  When he fired that dragster up, it sounded like canvas being ripped.  Iirc, he was using the 392 Hemi.  Unforgettable sound, and watching him launch and go raised my neck hair.

  Scary fast.

103 Soylent Green would be made of OWS style mobs and processed by typical gub'mynt workers. How yummy do you think that would taste?

104 Lemme guess Velvet Ambition, it 's not The Donkey Punch?

105

Velvet Ambition at December 23, 2011 09:59 AM

Reverse Cowgirl?

106 Congrats Scott J. Happy New Year!

107

"Rich, white liberals aren't reproducing.  So we do have that going for us."

Think of it as evolution in action.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at December 23, 2011 09:50 AM

That's why the statists want to grab and indoctrinate your kids as early as possible through the schools

If the kids think they can lord it over you by threatening to rat you out for not separating your glass from metals, tell them of the tender mercies of the foster care system

108 Posted by: Reactionary at December 23, 2011 09:52 AM (xUM1Q)

Well, I guess I should be pleased that you didn't say that the only solution for starvation in Africa was strategic nuclear weapons.

109 The cars at Bowman certainly didn't impress me with their speed. Every corner was taken at about 20 mph and a dozen fender benders. I didn't stay for the Masters race but. I can't imagine they were much faster. They're racing in a bathtub.

110 I know this type of reasoning wont get we well liked round these parts... but if you wish to understand the left better and know how to dismantle an issue with them, first you must understand  whats motivating them.

Try this,  are the gains in Afghanistan and Iraq "long term sustainable?"  Will they stay that way without US military and taxpayer propping it up each day?  The honest answers are -to some degree -maybe so maybe no -after 9/11we had to try and -it was worth a try -we had to do something -we are the only ones trying to do something about it.  

These same responses fit the lefts view of gm, ge, wind, solar, the volt, etc...

Explaining why these things are expensive boondoggles or government quagmires has as much effect on them as when they use the same language against your support for Iraq and Afghanistan.

(yes I get the difference between 9/11 and a billion+ person religion at war with the west...against sob stories about polar bears probably caused by the suns fluctuations..... but they don't)

As a young man I read Dale Carnegies "How to Win Friends and Influence People."  In it he had a whole chapter which he summaried thus,  "Learn to put yourself in other peoples shoes and you will succeed at anything you do."

111

Reverse Cowgirl?

The mind boggles

112 Congrats, Scott!

my recruiter is in another state. We've never met face to face. How about that?

My last three jobs were like that. One of the things about the 21st century I can actually understand.

113 The foster care system is intentionally dysfunctional to support liberal ends as well. Think of how many decades we've known the system is broken and not in the best interests of childrens' well being. It's all about control, research for looney 'social scientists', ensuring another new fucked up generation on welfare to vote for the establishment statists, and keeping social workers employed.

114 Also if it hasn't been mentioned, Plinketts review of the crystal skulls is up.

115 I came up with a very fitting analogy for Facebook this morning:

I feel like I have won a Ferrari but have to push it home from the dealership before I get any fuel for it.

We've been in our current community since 2002. We have put down roots, both our children were born here. It's going to be rough but we're people of faith and believe God makes things happen for a reason.

116 recruiter is in another state. We've never met face to face. How about that?

My last three jobs were like that. One of the things about the 21st century I can actually understand.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 23, 2011 10:08 AM (/kI1Q)

I rarely if ever meet the people I place.

117

The mind boggles.

Sounds like an informal poll of 'ettes is in order. 

118 recruiter is in another state. We've never met face to face. How about that?

That's pretty normal nowadays.  The recruiter that got me my current job earlier this year first contacted me via LinkedIn and I never met him.

119 Irongrampa...here's a favorite...  http://tinyurl.com/y3mmnw8

120 Well, I guess I should be pleased that you didn't say that the only solution for starvation in Africa was strategic nuclear weapons.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 23, 2011 10:05 AM (nEUpB)

 

If the Africans as a group were a constant threat/nuisance, that would be exactly the right solution.  Happily, at this time they are not an existential threat.  If Islam is allowed to take over, that may change.

You know what the real solution is?  To stop giving a fuck about people who are too culturally primitive to take care of their own shit.  It's not our job to feed the Africans, except to the extent that they are willing to trade with us for food. 

It's annoying that so many people want to fix the Africans' problems as if they were helpless children and we were the parents.  They're grown ups like everyone else.  They have resources available to them.  Colonialism is not to blame for their current state, nor is the slave trade.  We don't owe them jack, and it's a waste of pity and anxiety to worry about them. 

121
  That video makes me want to go down to the garage and dust off the Toy. With the weather we have currently, driving it wouldn't be out of the question.

   Sorta bored, anyway.

122

This may seem like a strange proposal from a small government conservative, but following the logic of the interstate highway program, I believe the best stimulus for the U.S. economy would be free electrical energy.

A trillion dollar program to immediately build 500 AP1000 style reactors in communities that vote to host them, government owned and private utility run, with the only cost to the end user being the cost of transmission.  The closer you live to a reactor, the cheaper the power. 

The reasoning behind government ownership of the nuclear plants is the elimination of the regulatory, security and liability costs associated with this type of power.   

123 OT

That Pappa Bush endorsed Mitt, was not a surprise to me they have old associations.  When Romney gave his 07 speech on religion in America Pappa Bush hosted it at the "Bush Library."

Ahh 07 back when the left - had something besides the religion and race card to say even if it was the venal "hope and change."  Romney was the conservative hope because none of us yet knew what a monster his health care overhaul had created.

124 @126: I would love to have one of those fridge-sized no-maintenance reactors Insty occasionally drools over.  But the odds of the political class allowing such an existential threat to their dream feudal utopia where only they have technology is about zero.

125 Posted by: Reactionary at December 23, 2011 10:14 AM (xUM1Q)

Did I say that we should feed them for free?

Is our agricultural distribution system part of the government?

If it weren't for our politicians, Africa could be fed effortlessly by the market.

126

The reasoning behind government ownership of the nuclear plants is the elimination of the regulatory, security and liability costs associated with this type of power.   

Posted by: jwest at December 23, 2011 10:16 AM (8moZm)

Would you want the Obama administration to be responsible for the safe operation of a nuclear reactor in your town?

127

Would you want the Obama administration to be responsible for the safe operation of a nuclear reactor in your town?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 23, 2011 10:20 AM (nEUpB

government owned and private utility run

128

67

The next couple of decades are going to suck power wise if we don't end this fetish.

The "green" lifestyle isn't going to be so appealing to the bulk of Americans when they are shivering in the cold darkness.  If the Marxists running the "enviromental" movement are successful, there will have to be a totalitarian government to keep such a charade going (yeah, I know, that is their objective).

Kratos is correct ... in the end there will be chaos.

129

The reasoning behind government ownership of the nuclear plants is the elimination of the regulatory, security and liability costs associated with this type of power.

Posted by: jwest at December 23, 2011 10:16 AM (8moZm)

 

It's tempting on the face of it, but I don't trust it.  I've seen how "free government electricity" works.  They've got that in the Domincan Republic.  It's on a 4 hour up/down schedule in much of the country because they can't keep it running and it's not funded.

Plus, free always translates into "wasted."  People (and businesses) would consume it without regard for production costs.

130 If the Marxists running the "enviromental" movement are successful, there will have to be a totalitarian government to keep such a charade going (yeah, I know, that is their objective).

Yes, that's why they're doing it.  They don't actually give a shit about Gaia or carbon or ozone holes, only power.

131

Reactionary at December 23, 2011 10:14 AM

I agree with CBD that the technology exists to feed the world, and that culture and politics are the cause of malnutrition and starvation around the world.  I am an agriculturist and have been involved in food production for 25 years.  I know what we are capable of.

To your point, unless a culture is capable of adopting free market principles and establsih property rights, they will not become self-sufficient.  There was an interesting  and very controversial essay published a while back ( I wish I had saved it) that summarized the net effect of food aid to the horn region of Africa.  In essence the author demonstrated that by saving a million people from imminent starvation, twenty years later there were now 6 million starving.  The net effect, six times the misery.  As I said it was controversial but the facts and logic were (are) irrefutable.

132 In essence the author demonstrated that by saving a million people from imminent starvation, twenty years later there were now 6 million starving.

Liberals never quite understand that if you subsidize something you get more of it.

133  --- @127 -- "Romney was the conservative hope" in 2007  ...

Only in comparison to Juan ("American's don't want to work", "vote for me, I was a POW", "there is no immigration problem", "Don't you dare use my opponent's middle name", "I'm going to suspend my campaign for the duration of the crisis", "My fellow senator is an honorable man and there is no reason not to vote for him", "You really don't need to say anything about a candidate 90 days before an election") McCain.

134 If it weren't for our politicians, Africa could be fed effortlessly by the market.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 23, 2011 10:19 AM (nEUpB)

 

When you say "our" I trust you include "their" politicians as well.  As bad as things are here, the kleptocracies in Africa are far worse.

That said, what do they have to offer us?  Some areas have oil, and that would be nice to get.  There are some mines.  But other than that, the place is not exactly a productive powerhouse, and much of what actually is productive is already owned by Westerners.  With Islam spreading around the place that will only improve very slowly, if at all.

135 The "green" lifestyle isn't going to be so appealing to the bulk of Americans when they are shivering in the cold darkness.

Isn't that why all the plans to make the cost of electricity "necessarily skyrocket" include subsidies for households already getting some form(s) of welfare? Gotta keep your guaranteed voters happy until you've completed cemented your power and can do away with elections altogether.

136

Plus, free always translates into "wasted."  People (and businesses) would consume it without regard for production costs.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 23, 2011 10:23 AM (xUM1Q)

Wasting energy is the primary reason for this plan. 

For real advancement, the mindset must be the same as the highways.  No one thinks twice about whether they are using the highways 20 hours a day or only once a week.  It simply isnÂ’t a factor.  The highway is there for everyone to use as much or as little as they want, but eventually it benefits everyone.

If someone wants to heat their home electrically and leave the windows and doors open all winter, thatÂ’s ok.  Once this becomes the reality, new processes will flow for everything from steelmaking to how coffee is brewed.  It would give the U.S. an amazing competitive advantage.

137

Posted by: Alamo at December 23, 2011 10:25 AM (wQmDt)

Interesting stuff.  If you happen across that study at some point I hope you'll post the link.  I think it's relevant for us here - our social policies are essentially doing this very thing in the US.

138 This is the time of year when I like to remember the little people. Like the child workers in China who assemble and pack toys for my children, their nimble little fingers torquing down those wire ties with lacing pliers until they're so tight I can't get a pair of side-cutters in, and then tying the ends in a complicated knot, so I rip my fingers apart trying to untwist them. Merry Christmas, you passive-aggressive little bastards. This year I went out and bought the heaviest set of bulldogs I could find. I'll be cutting right through that bullshit knot this year.

139 Posted by: jwest at December 23, 2011 10:22 AM (8moZm)

You are more trusting than I of our government.

140 This year I went out and bought the heaviest set of bulldogs I could find. I'll be cutting right through that bullshit knot this year.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 23, 2011 10:33 AM (l9zgN)

Using the Alexander the Great approach to the Gordian knot?

141

You are more trusting than I of our government.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 23, 2011 10:34 AM (nEUpB)

Until IÂ’m declared King, itÂ’s all we have to work with.

142 One point of contention:   DOOM! has been proven to be sustainable.  

Embrace its power.

143 Once this becomes the reality, new processes will flow for everything from steelmaking to how coffee is brewed. It would give the U.S. an amazing competitive advantage.

Posted by: jwest at December 23, 2011 10:32 AM (8moZm)

 

I guess I'm missing the link here.  How would abundant free energy lead to new processes?  Just because we could dump a lot more energy into new concepts?  To me, that sounds like a great reason to just go with what we already have, or to bring back cheaper, more wasteful processes of the past.  There would be competetive advantages to US business, but only in that their energy costs would be wholly subsidized.

Let's not forget that while it would be "free" to the consumer, it would still come with costs.  Transmission is part of it, but there's also fuel inputs and labor costs to run the places, plus maintenance and waste disposal.  That all has to be covered somehow. 

I'm a huge fan of nuclear power, especially the new pebble bed reactor design, but it comes with its own set of costs and complications.

144 Posted by: jwest at December 23, 2011 10:36 AM (8moZm)

All hail jwest!

Letat c'est jwest.

145

 Like the child workers in China who assemble and pack toys for my children, their nimble little fingers torquing down those wire ties with lacing pliers until they're so tight I can't get a pair of side-cutters in, and then tying the ends in a complicated knot, so I rip my fingers apart trying to untwist them.

Ha Ha suck it, Capitalist Pig Dog!

146

Until IÂ’m declared King, itÂ’s all we have to work with.

Posted by: jwest at December 23, 2011 10:36 AM (8moZm)

Have you formed an exploratory committee yet? I'll help, if when you are King, I get the coveted job of "Kicking old Liberals in the Balls"

147 Using the Alexander the Great approach to the Gordian knot? Damn skippy.

148 The hate I feel for some of these numbnuts feels pretty damned sustainable!

149

Until IÂ’m declared King, itÂ’s all we have to work with.

Posted by: jwest at December 23, 2011 10:36 AM (8moZm)

 

Uh oh.  Are we going to be looking at some kind of civil war between the EoJ regime and the Kingdom of Jwest?

Personally, I'm going to have to stick with EoJ for now.  His plans seem suitably brutal to me, and I can get behind that with enthusiasm.  Perhaps after a time of purging (vigorous, vigorous purging) there could be a transition to a kinder, gentler autocracy.

 

 

150 "...Just where do they think that electricity comes from? Oh, right ... the magic holes in the wall...."

In 1979, in the wake of Three Mile Island, James Taylor, Graham Nash and various and sundry other liberloons gathered at Madison Square Garden for a hootenanny they called the "No Nukes Concert".

It was far from "unplugged".  Electric guitars, synthesizers, amps, hair dryers,  etc., were in abundance.

Then, as now, the Indian Point nuclear plant provides much of the juice used in Manhattan.

151 Damn skippy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 23, 2011 10:40 AM (0yt4x)

 

Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper just to quit buying the kids toys?

152

Posted by: jwest at December 23, 2011 10:16 AM (8moZm)

Not no, but HELL NO! Over my rotting and maggot infested corpse!

153 @157: You can't, Minx doesn't support anything besides Firefox and IE.

154 104 Interesting headline from Yahoo A new survey ranks the positions in which women feel most satisfied and successful. Posted by: Velvet Ambition at December 23, 2011 09:59 AM (mFxQX) Ultimately, the Laws of Physics dictate that there are only three positions - everything else is a variant. Well, there is a fourth, technically, but the woman has to be VERY petite, and the guy very strong and able to put up with a lot of back pain.

155

How would abundant free energy lead to new processes?

Posted by: Reactionary at December 23, 2011 10:37 AM (xUM1Q)

Just as most people in the ‘70s couldnÂ’t imagine who would want or need a cheap personal computer, once something becomes cheap and abundant people find new uses. 

There would still be a cost to electrical energy consisting of the operation and transmission from the plants, so a California community that opted to refuse locating one there would pay more than a Midwest town that voted for it. 

156 Is it just me, or is it very chilly in here??

157

Theres an online dating site where people can ask questions that others can answer publicly...

One question was: Which is more important?

A. People

B. Animals

C. Equaly important

The VAST MAJORITY of ladies on that site ansered the Question C... which stunned me... are we so brainwashed that people now think Animal Life, that we F'n EAT, is as important as a Human Life?

Have we gone so far down the path of PC indoctrination that people do not even bother to CONSIDER questions anymore?

158 Speaking of chaos - back at the beginning of the Arab Spring I recall seeing an article that said that the unrest wasn't triggered by any sudden political awakening but by food price inflation which was itself caused by devoting corn to biofuels rather than food production. That's the root cause of most civil unrest in poor countries, so it resonated with me. The press has gone silent on that front now....it 's all about yearning to be Islamic free these days. Anyone else remember seeing it?

159 It's nice that we have President Boomer, of the Me-Me-Me Administration, with his wife, the Princess, to remind us of all that they do for us.

The Obamas' hubris is infinitely sustainable.

160

Have we gone so far down the path of PC indoctrination that people do not even bother to CONSIDER questions anymore?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 23, 2011 10:52 AM (NtXW4)

That kind of crapthink is why I argue that "the middle ground" has been pulled far to the left end of the political spectrum. I was mainstream 30 years ago, but the leftards, through control of government, media, and education have managed to pull the middle right to the very edge of socialism. Fuck that.

161

The VAST MAJORITY of ladies on that site ansered the Question C... which stunned me... are we so brainwashed that people now think Animal Life, that we F'n EAT, is as important as a Human Life?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 23, 2011 10:52 AM (NtXW4)

 

It was a dating site.  More than half those ladies were sitting at home with their 12 cats, their sole companions.

But thank God almighty for that wonderful 19 Amendment, right?  Things got WAY better after that.  /sarc

162 Breaking news for the "sustainable green wienies":  Bacon--some hog died for you.

163

Posted by: Reactionary at December 23, 2011 10:44 AM (xUM1Q)

Sadly, much as Rome once needed a Cincinatus to restore the Repbulic... You may need a dictator to restore the Republic as well...

Remeber, I can be a real Biatch if you don't listen to me...

164

 His plans seem suitably brutal to me, and I can get behind that with enthusiasm.  Perhaps after a time of purging (vigorous, vigorous purging) there could be a transition to a kinder, gentler autocracy.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 23, 2011 10:44 AM (xUM1Q)

 

Although IÂ’m promoting the waste of energy, when purging liberals I canÂ’t stand to waste bullets.  They would be dealt with using my squad of Malleteers.

165 food price inflation which was itself caused by devoting corn to biofuels rather than food production.

Posted by: Lokki at December 23, 2011 10:53 AM (a5F9g)

 

I know it's not your main point, but I felt the need to point out that biofuel is only a small part of the increase in corn demand.  The generally higher level of prosperity in the 3rd world is creating greater demand for meat (particularly beef).  That's a much bigger issue.  Gotta feed them cows.

166

Personally, I'm going to have to stick with EoJ for now.  His plans seem suitably brutal to me, and I can get behind that with enthusiasm.  Perhaps after a time of purging (vigorous, vigorous purging) there could be a transition to a kinder, gentler autocracy.

 

 

Posted by: Reactionary at December 23, 2011 10:44 AM (xUM1Q)

Give them a whiff of grapeshot!

167 D. Equally expendable. And Reactionary, I approve of your cost-cutting instincts. However, they are the Master Race. If there aren't oppressed, swarthy children laboring away in unventilated, unsanitary sweatshops for pennies a day to produce plastic gewgaws for the Ruling Class' amusement, what's the point in getting out of bed and pulling on your jackboots every day? Report to the Food Production Ministry. I have a feeling there are some bleeding hearts there that have a "heavy ladle" in my gruel dispensaries. I'm quite sure you can root out some inefficiencies.

168

It was a dating site. More than half those ladies were sitting at home with their 12 cats, their sole companions.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 23, 2011 10:56 AM (xUM1Q)

I actualy kind of confronted one about that question I talked to on there...

Asked her if a Deer sitting out in the Woods, was as important as my Daughters Life... she said 'well of course not'...

So I asked her why she answered the question that way then....

and her response? Because she did not want to 'seem mean'....

I then cut off the conversation, as she had no spine...

169

Posted by: History at December 23, 2011 11:00 AM (NtXW4)

Sock failage

170

Although IÂ’m promoting the waste of energy, when purging liberals I canÂ’t stand to waste bullets. They would be dealt with using my squad of Malleteers.

Posted by: jwest at December 23, 2011 10:58 AM (8moZm)

 

LOL.  Greatest job ever.  Physical exercise coupled with tremendous feelings of accomplishment and satisfaction.

171

I bought some artichoke hearts that said "sustainable agriculture" on it.  Well good for them!  They can grow more artichokes next year! What do I care?

172 Report to the Food Production Ministry. I have a feeling there are some bleeding hearts there that have a "heavy ladle" in my gruel dispensaries. I'm quite sure you can root out some inefficiencies.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 23, 2011 11:00 AM (0yt4x)

Parsimonious bastard! I wanted some more!

173 Report to the Food Production Ministry. I have a feeling there are some bleeding hearts there that have a "heavy ladle" in my gruel dispensaries. I'm quite sure you can root out some inefficiencies.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 23, 2011 11:00 AM (0yt4x)

 

By your command, Imperious Leader.

174

C. Equaly important

The VAST MAJORITY of ladies on that site ansered the Question C... which stunned me... are we so brainwashed that people now think Animal Life, that we F'n EAT, is as important as a Human Life?

Have we gone so far down the path of PC indoctrination that people do not even bother to CONSIDER questions anymore?

Posted by: Romeo13 at

i like people. but i love steak.

175 @178: I take exception to your very dark comment,bernverdnardo

176 Andy, the word you want is "EVIL". These eco-Nazis have caused far more deaths than the original Nazis. Heck, they managed that when they were able to ban DDT.

177

North Korea has sustainable development

Nothing is the most sustainable number of all.

178

So.... if'n a farmer plants, grows and sells Green Leaf Lettuce, but uses Pesticides... can he sell it as GREEN Leaf Lettuce?

What about GREEN Beans?

If I buy a new Hot Rod Camarro SS, but its painted Green... can a get a Green Car Subsidy???

The bureu of sillyness really wants to know...

179 Somehow, I'm wishing me some Hannah Minx.

180 I demand the government spend billions of dollars finding a way to give us sustainable orgasms.

181 Here's a great video recommended by Stossell, by a Swedish prof who pretty much thinks the sustainability movement is a crock perpetrated by ignorant student hippies.

The Magic Washing Machine:

http://tinyurl.com/46dqtzc

And yes, there will be chaos when the ruling econazis start really reducing our energy, which is going to happen in CA starting January 1. For one thing, every commercial building owner or tenant has to report its energy use to the State. No kidding. They're already starting on private homes by the Smart Meters they installed.

182 I for one am fed up with bernverdnardo always harping on the same shit.

183 Back to the original theme...
It's even worse than what you proposed for Volt/Leaf/Pry-Ass vehicles.

If you make the basic assumption that the grid always preferentially selects wind power, hydro, or Care-Bear energy, then any increased demand on the system is ONLY supplied by coal or gas.

184 It always amuses me that those who mouth about sustainability when it comes to ecology have less than zero comprehension of sustainability when it comes to economy. They'll pontificate about the myriad subtle interweavings of effort and resources that make one thing more eco-friendly than another, yet think we can strip-mine "the rich" in perpetuity with no adverse consequences.

185 Yes. I've been saying this for a while. There is such a thing as "sustainable" fishing, where this term, I believe, originated. Because you are artificially hunting a wild species, you can very easily hunt them to extinction. So you have to take other measures to ensure they DO NOT become extinct, thus eliminating your very job as fisherman. THAT is "sustainable". There is no such thing as "sustainable" in any other context. Its idiotic.

186 Of course, there is not point in building new damns - they're all built. There is no river or other body of water big enough to extract energy from the flowing water. Every such body of water has already been dammed up for energy extraction.

187 This echoes a point we've made here at the HQ on many occasions when greenies get all warm and fuzzy cuddling their Chevy Volts and Nissan Leafs (or is it Leaves? ... no matter).



It's cool.

188 Since wealth and progress creates peace and reduces pollution, increases food production, reduces disease and increases longevity, the desire to cripple developing countries is objectively evil and in favor of disease, death, pollution, and starvation.

189

"Of course, a third of that renewable total was from hydroelectric power."

Maybe you meant to say 2/3. That web site says 6% of electricity comes from hydro.

Which makes more sense. You had me wondering where the other 10% was coming from, if only 3% was from hydro.

I wonder if we should really even trust the govt numbers on how much wind & solar contributes. I guess it's reasonable that wind is starting to amount to something, but wind & solar are intermittent and inefficient. There should be a place for both - in certain situations - but I can't see them ever providing even 1/5 of the nation's electricity, much less its total energy.

190 I just cant stop reading this.  Its so cool, so full of information that I just didnt know.  Im glad to see that people are actually writing about this issue in such a smart way, showing us all different sides to it.  Youre a great blogger.  Please keep it up.  I cant wait to read whats next.

191 You really make it seem so uderstandable with your presentation but I find this topic before really hard to understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me.

192 Excellent blog, thanks for the share. I'll be a regular viewer.

193 Thank you for the good writeup. It in fact was a amusement account it. Look advanced to more added agreeable from you! However, how could we communicate?

194 I used to write for the United Nations, and had something to do with the decadal International Conferences on Population and Development.

I have to tell you, the apparatchiks themselves, and certainly the flaks, were VERY cynical about the "sustainability" of development, and would laugh up their sleeves about it. I was naive at the time, and quite shocked.

IOW, they know they're peddling nonsense, but it works to get funding from the "donor nations" (that's the Civilized World, as we used to call ourselves) -- who are likewise in on the gag. It's for pacifying the eco-nazis, mostly.

195 I should add, in response to the Watts Up piece, that they did espouse development, but slower than in the civilized world.

The Un-men did, however, realize that even that pace is, in the long run, "unsustainable." The only way to avoid using more resources is to stick with the status quo ante.