1 U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter, backed by top military officers and other State Department officials,

All need to be fired.

 Pakistan's views need to be given greater weight if the fight against militancy is to succeed, said current and former U.S. officials.

Pakistan needs to actually successfully fight militancy or we're going to have to blow it off the map.

2 One more successful program about to be screwed over by the Obama-touch.

3 So, the drone war is the one good thing that B. Hussein is doing and the "rest of the world comes first " crowd at Foggy Bottom want to give the Pakistan before power?

4 Yeah, we should definitely cool with the drone program. Because it's working!

5 Veto power not "before power ". Darn predictive keyboard!

6 U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter

Really?  Was J. Caldwell McWhinypants unavailable?

7 argues that Pakistan's views need to be given greater weight And dropped into the Marianas Trench.

8

So by "not judicious" does that mean they're upset we're not capturing them and trying them in a civilian court and allowing them Constitutional rights?

Bags of douche, the lot of them.

9 Off, flaming sock!

10

Lets see...

Bombing a UN member Sovereign Nation, without a Declaration of War, or treaty with said nation asking us to help them... why does this sound so familiar?

The US Presidents powers are now pretty much total... what many here do not understand is that we are assasinating CIVILIANS, often Political Leaders, with Spy controlled Military assets... in a supposedly Neutral Nation...

IMO the lack of outcry over the drone program, and its pretty blatant flouting of the Traditional Laws of War, has given Obama the belief that the Congress will just allow him to do anything he pleases... like... oh... bomb Libya for months?

This program has also givn Pakistan the ability to NOT choose sides... because we are NOT holding them responsible for what is going on inside their own borders...

We have also set a REALLY bad precedent for the future... history is not going to judge us well...

11 Pakistan's views need to be given greater weight if the fight against militancy is to succeed, I could take that more seriously if Pakistan hadn't created the Taliban in the first place! Pakistan wants us to consider them a partner in the fight against terror. I wish we could convince them that we see them as living on the edge of extinction*. *And we're the extinctioners.

12

I agree with the drone attacks. We must hit them HARD before they go SOFT and SHRIVEL up and disappear. We must RISE to the occasion and RAM them with drones before PULLING OUT. As a member of Congress, I stand ERECT in my position of support and will continue so, despite people saying we are in a PICKLE with our Foreign Policy.

Please, no more dick jokes, okay, Ace?

13 Dudes, we need to leave some targets for the fall of 2012. Now, who's up for a round of golf?

14 I'm up for some golf. I love putting from the greens, and occasionally, the rough as well.

15

Pakistan has proven to be an unreliable ally at best. Our finding OBL there and his subequent elimination should have been a gigantic black mark against them, except for the fact that that intire region hates anyone or anything that goes against their genteel islamic sensibilities.

We should have done everything we could to besmirch Pakistan's alleged support of the GWOT and called them out as being one of the facilitators of terrorism instead of one of our real allies.

Oh, and one other thing. Didn't we just take out an AQ bigwig the other day with a drone strike? If they can't find and eliminate terrorists who are hiding in their own country, we certainly should. Nobody is hiding there without someone else knowing about it. OBL was only yards from a military school in Pakistan, do you really think the locals didn't know he was there? And that someone high up in their government didn't know he was there also?

You can only hide in plain sight for so long.

16 The rotting corpse of Ilyas Kashmiri agrees with Foggy Bottom.

17 I seem to recall Bush telling Pakistan that 'either you are with us or against us' in the WOT. They chose 'with'. Wise decision. These drone strikes are part of the 'with'. We have agreed to give them a fig leaf of deniability by not publicly saying we have permission; or more closely, we are going to do it anyways since they won't or can't.
 
That is their burden to bear.

18 Criticising the President on foreign policy when he just killed Bin Ladin after 8 years of bush the youngers dawdling on the job is hard, but you righties are giving it thbe ol' college try.

19 Dudes, we need to leave some targets for the fall of 2012. Now, who's up for a round of golf?

Posted by: Generalito Obama at June 05, 2011 12:59 PM (FcR7P)

Yo!

20 Have Weiner, Eliot Spitzer, and John Boehner ever been seen in a room together?

21 18 Criticising the President on foreign policy when he just killed Bin Ladin after 8 years of bush the youngers dawdling on the job is hard, but you righties are giving it thbe ol' college try.

Posted by: Caiden at June 05, 2011 01:13 PM (piN8q)

So it's been confirmed, he's the point on SEAL Team Six?

22 OT

Bias from Politico, Anita Dunn is a hypocrite:

Annita Dunn:

A top political adviser to President Barack Obama charged on Sunday that Republicans are so eager to wound him politically they're hoping that the U.S. economy continues to sputter.

"I thought it was almost unseemly on Friday to watch the Republicans basically rooting for failure on those unemployment numbers, reveling in the idea that things are not going well," former White House Communications Director Anita Dunn said on CNN's "State of the Union." "This is a time when the American people are looking to their leaders to get together to actually meet the challenges here."

...

For her part, "State of the Union" host Candy Crowley seemed less than outraged by the fact that some Republicans might have been quietly gleeful about the bad economic news.

"It is a political season and stuff like that does happen on both sides," Crowley said dismissively.

23 Posted by: Caiden at June 05, 2011 01:13 PM (piN8q)

so I'm trying to find the "AVERAGE JOE" letters spelled in there... I'm having difficulty with it though

24 Posted by: momma at June 05, 2011 01:18 PM (nWikJ)

I'll worry about that when Anita gets upset at the cheerleading for losing the Iraq war her, and the rest of the liberal fuckwhistles did.

25 6 U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter

Really?  Was J. Caldwell McWhinypants unavailable?


I'm tanned blackened and ready to go!

26 Nadal wins the French Open, the Borg is simulated.

27

28 so I'm trying to find the "AVERAGE JOE" letters spelled in there... I'm having difficulty with it though


Heh.  Someone else apparently had a successful day of socking this week, too, but I missed it.

29
Conservatives are just so predictable.  Gleefully seeking President Obama's failure as espoused by Rush Limbaugh,  and agreed upon by untold numbers of his mind-numbed robots. 

Progressives are forced to listen while conservatives make despicable references to pushing their things up our squeakholes.  These monster conservatives are so smug and condescending about the size of their things, and openly brag about their prowess.

Most progressives are not concerned with sex, except when we're got those conservatives over the barrel, and it's our team fucking them up the ass.

30 O/T craziness.

31

Completely OT but Drudge has a post up on how Team Obama is launching a program to reduce the principal on delinquent mortgages...............thus allowing those who bought more house than they could afford, or used their house as an ATM, to keep the house and not have to pay back any of the borrowed money.

I think this has been floated before and is kinda old news but Team Obama plans on using what's left of the TARP funds and do it as 2012 heats up..........you know more free stuff from Obama's stash.

32 State Department..."Hey guys, our job is hard. We have to eat canapes while the Pakistani foreign office bitches and moans at us. How about you lay off the air strikes so I can finish this canape?"

33 What do mean 7.38 hours for drive wipe, I'M shredding as fast as I can.

34

Caiden,

The last year killing Bin Laden would have been significan was about 1997.  Do try to keep up.  You may not be interested in jihad, but jihad is increasingly interested in you.  

35 O/T craziness.

Posted by: sTevo at June 05, 2011 01:35 PM (VMcEw)

Where's PETA on this?

36

Lawrence Eagleburger would have sorted this little slap-fight out.

37

Where's PETA on this?

My guess is they're all for killing the camels.  PETA is not pro-animal, they're anti-human.

38

Lets see...

Assuming I didn't miss a /sarc

Bombing a UN member Sovereign Nation, without a Declaration of War, or treaty with said nation asking us to help them... why does this sound so familiar?

Targeted Hellfires aren't bombing.

Fuck the UN.

Pakistan's sovereignty over it's Eastern provinces is limited by their choice and inaction, not ours.

The original Go Kill Al-Queda AUMF applies

The US Presidents powers are now pretty much total... what many here do not understand is that we are assasinating CIVILIANS, often Political Leaders, with Spy controlled Military assets... in a supposedly Neutral Nation...

Always have been in this regard.

Al-Q and the Taliwhackers aren't civilians they're illegal combatants.  And evil goat fuckers even if they do have a civilian following.  To hell with them and anybody who gets hit by a piece of their turban.  Pakistan counts as a nation only when it's convenient to us.   Large parts of the ISI clearly support the Taliban so they ain't neutral.

IMO the lack of outcry over the drone program, and its pretty blatant flouting of the Traditional Laws of War, has given Obama the belief that the Congress will just allow him to do anything he pleases... like... oh... bomb Libya for months?

This program has also givn Pakistan the ability to NOT choose sides... because we are NOT holding them responsible for what is going on inside their own borders...

IMO it let's us kill those who need killing without having to invade another mountainous Asian country after fighting thru a maybe top 10 military and nuclear tipped IRBM force.  Saying everyone has to choose sides isn't the same as forcing them to and we seem to be using the ambiguity successfully here for now.

We have also set a REALLY bad precedent for the future... history is not going to judge us well...

History books are full of silly crap like we shouldn't have nuked Japan.  Our own idiots write nonsense without considering they'd be dead if we followed their ideas.

It was this or a leave Sarah alone whine to Ace, I'm temporallily out of dick jokes.

39 Smarter foreign policy.  Smarter military strategy.  Smarter domestic policy.  Smarter energy policy.  Smarter government.  Smarter smarter smarter!

40 Italics fail?

41 ...rooting for failure on those unemployment numbers, reveling in the idea that things are not going well. You should be thanking us. That's us going, "Yay, Obama! You Marxist halfwit, you're finally slaying the beast of Prosperity!"

42

My guess is they're all for killing the camels.  PETA is not pro-animal, they're anti-human.

Posted by: Truman North at June 05, 2011 01:53 PM (K2wpv)

That's my guess as well. 'Twas rhetoric. 

As an aside, there was an article over at Anthony Watt's place recently revealing that some of these eco-friendly plant-based plastic bottles release methane when they decompose.

The horror!

43 I have to say, Leon Panetta has been pretty competent in his job. He's not someone I always agree with, but it IS appreciated that he does what is right and not what is politically popular to his "allies".

 I know he's a liberal appointed by Clinton before, but he's more of an ally than most libs.

 Fuck the traitorous assholes , though.

44 And btw, I'm not rooting for economic failure. I'm barely struggling to get by, it is not easy living in Chicago on less than ten dollars an hour. I'm not "above it all". What I am happy to see is that the numbers are showing, to some extant, how bad it is. The worst thing that could happen is a short term, weak recovery that leads mushy moderates to think we're booming...luckily we got that fake recovery out of the way early and we're already experiencing the aftermath.

 

45 18 Criticising the President on foreign policy when he just killed Bin Ladin after 8 years of bush the youngers dawdling on the job is hard, but you righties are giving it thbe ol' college try.

Posted by: Caiden at June 05, 2011 01:13 PM (piN8q)

OK WTF.

"Dawdling?"  70 rounds of golf played by who?  And President Fore sucks at golf almost as bad as he sucks at government.

46 If the President had an R in front of his name I doubt anyone would be calling this an economic recovery. The would be dubbing this a new Depression. There would be weekly stories about teen unemployment reaching records, about how hard this Depression was on minorities and the poor. We would not be seeing "unexpectedly" in every fucking news story or "this is a setback for the fragile recorvery".

47
History books are full of silly crap like we shouldn't have nuked Japan.

Posted by: Dave at June 05, 2011 01:54 PM (4SET

Well Dave, we shouldn't have nuked the defenseless Japanese people who only wanted to control their own destiny by defeating the imperialist American's.

Also, displaying the Enola Gay at the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum is a personal affront to all peace loving men and women of the world. 

Bowing by Emperor Hirohito to General MacArthur was a sign of subservience, and President Obama has also bowed to numerous world leaders demonstrating American's new place in the world as an oppressor that should atone for its colossal mistakes.  We love and admire President Obama for leading America into its new position as a failed democratic state.  

48 @46 and don't forget the daily reports of our KIAs.  Worthless fkn MBM.

49

"Dawdling?"  70 rounds of golf played by who?  And President Fore sucks at golf almost as bad as he sucks at government.

Posted by: NC Ref at June 05, 2011 02:06 PM (/izg2)

Now that's just not fair. My swing coach has helped me finally get my drive past the lady's tee.

Watch your ass, Luke Donald!

50 18 Criticising the President on foreign policy when he just killed Bin Ladin after 8 years of bush the youngers dawdling on the job is hard, but you righties are giving it thbe ol' college try. Posted by: Caiden at June 05, 2011 01:13 PM (piN8q) This has to be Average Joe. There's no 'v' in this post, but I'm sure there's a simple explanation for that. Congratulations in advance, AJ.....

51

Posted by: Dave at June 05, 2011 01:54 PM (4SET

Targeted Hellfires are NOT bombing??? interesting worldview there...

As to them being Illegal Combatants?  CIA, is non uniformed, and NOT under Military Command... and thus under Geneva THEY are illegal Combatants as well.  One of the reasons the KGB in the Cold War ALWAYS gave their people Military Ranks, was they were then able to put on a Uniform, and be covered by Geneva... if they were giving 'orders' for airstrikes and such.

So... is every Imam who says they are an Al Q supporter, even if they NEVER carried a gun, or gave any oders, an Illegal Combatant?  Or... would they be Civilian Political/Religious Leaders?  That LEGAL definition is important going into the future...

It amazes me that 10 years into the WOT... we're still playing like we are in Crises mode, and NOT doing the Legal  and Treaty groundwork we need.

If Geneva Conventions need to be modified to fit the Modern World? DO IT!  They have been changed before...

If our Court system does not fit? CHANGE IT... don't ignore it...

And if you don't like Constitutional Limits... then give everyone the chance to talk it out by Amending the Constitution.... don't just ignore it.

 

52 I just saw that Fox claimed that Barky has a 17 handicap


No.  Freakin.  Way.  I would bet the national debt that he couldn't shoot bogey golf...like you said, without cheating...in his next 100 tries.  His swing is only a little better than Charles Barkley's.

53
  It's funny how every time Obama records some success that it's either a result or a continuance of Bush's "failed policies".  That HAS to give these assholes serious heartburn.

54 Do the Pakistanis not understand that the drones - or vehicles quite like them - can be fitted with nuclear warheads?

The irony is that a number of terror attacks have been launched against the West from Pakistan just as the 9/11 attacks were launched from Afghanistan (though of course they had Pakistani components too), and the reason we haven't treated them as a state sponsor of terror is that we pretend that we think they are doing the best they can when they pretend to fight terror and jihadism and Islamicism in their own country.

If Pakistan stops pretending, we stop pretending.  And the next major terror attack on the West earns them a beatdown, Chinese posturing notwithstanding.

55 I just saw that Fox claimed that Barky has a 17 handicap. That's at the executive nine-hole Putt-Putt. If he had a 17, his golf game would be on display. As it is, he's always away to Malia.

56 As it is, he's always away to Malia.

Heh.

57 As it is, he's always away to Malia.

Heh.

Posted by: NC Ref at June 05, 2011 02:34 PM (/izg2)

It took me a couple seconds...

58

It took me a couple seconds...

Don't you work on a golf course?

59

Targeted Hellfires are NOT bombing??? interesting worldview there...

Using anti-tank bullets on compounds via remote operated planes is just our modern equivalent of a sniper.  I'd bet all the people involved are prior service and the button pusher is on detached duty.  The people in country know they aren't covered when they go in.

As to them being Illegal Combatants?  CIA, is non uniformed, and NOT under Military Command... and thus under Geneva THEY are illegal Combatants as well.  One of the reasons the KGB in the Cold War ALWAYS gave their people Military Ranks, was they were then able to put on a Uniform, and be covered by Geneva... if they were giving 'orders' for airstrikes and such.

So... is every Imam who says they are an Al Q supporter, even if they NEVER carried a gun, or gave any oders, an Illegal Combatant?  Or... would they be Civilian Political/Religious Leaders?  That LEGAL definition is important going into the future...

Anyone who advocates the downfall of Western Civilization can go straight to hell in my book.  An Imam shouting death to the infidel at prayer services IS giving orders.

It amazes me that 10 years into the WOT... we're still playing like we are in Crises mode, and NOT doing the Legal  and Treaty groundwork we need.

If Geneva Conventions need to be modified to fit the Modern World? DO IT!  They have been changed before...

If our Court system does not fit? CHANGE IT... don't ignore it...

It appalls me but that's the world we're in.  The Left exists and they'll wreck any attempt to "fix" their lawfare.  I wanted W to put these Turbanistas thru the hook em, book em and cook em but we got Hamza? etc.

And if you don't like Constitutional Limits... then give everyone the chance to talk it out by Amending the Constitution.... don't just ignore it.

What limits???

Section 2 - Authorization For Use of United States Armed Forces

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

Looks like lawyerese for Get'em to me.

 

60

Don't you work on a golf course?

Posted by: NC Ref at June 05, 2011 02:49 PM (/izg2)

Yeah. Shameful, huh?

61 Not at all.  I'm jealous.  My buddy used to for a long time.

62 Obama's policies are making a mockery of Obama's mockery of W's policies.

63 Not at all.  I'm jealous.  My buddy used to for a long time.

Posted by: NC Ref at June 05, 2011 03:11 PM (/izg2)

Ah, I was referring to my dumbassery on the "away to Malia" quote.

Yeah, it's pretty fun. Not a crapload of money but I get paid to exercise and work on my tan.

Best part is the free golf balls and free golf!

 

64

Ah, I was referring to my dumbassery on the "away to Malia" quote.

Hey, I was trying to be cool and just gloss over that.  Yeah I got a lot of free rounds at the end of the day.  Had to help straighten up a bit, but I got the better end of that deal.

65 Give Obama an opportunity to step on his crank and he'll take it. Splashing Jihadi body parts all over the walls of a mud-brick hovel is just about the only policy of his that most people can get on board with, so it's no surprise he's vacillating. What a nebbish.

66 Ya'll stop makin' fun of my husband. Damn racists!

67
what many here do not understand is that we are assasinating CIVILIANS illegal combatants, often Political Leaders, with Spy controlled Military assets... in a supposedly Neutral friendly Nation...

FIFY. You're welcome. Also, illegal combatant == spy and saboteurs. They get hung if captured in a time of war.

68 But, but, but . . . what does Brennan say?

69 Ron Paul would have the US out of all current wars, as in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. Droning Pakistan is an act of war. Check out the tennis elbow brace which uses the amazon.co.uk store. For the new UK website click here