May 22, 2011
— DrewM Basically a lot of, "What was the big deal about Thursday?"
He just said that there was nothing particularly original in his proposals. This must have hurt President Unprecedented.
He's basically slapping Bibi back.
Very interesting.
There was a lot of confusion on Thursday about whether Obama's reference to "67 borders with mutually agreed upon swaps" was news or not. A lot of pro-Israel folks on Twitter (but granted not all) didn't seem to think it was a big deal at the time. I think two things played into the reaction.
One, the left, led by the New York Times, played this is up as a big change and that an American President was finally standing up to Israel.
Second, the language choices Obama made and the fact that no one doubts in his heart of hearts Obama would throw Israel under the bus if he could. The fact is, Presidents don't always have full freedom of action. It's like there are checks and balances or something (thank God).
Now, he's walked back or clarified his stance (depending on your point of view). The anti-Israeli left will say "the Jews got to him". Many on the right will say, "Bibi got him".
I think the fact is, reality got him.
Obama is simply doing what many other Presidents (Carter, Bush, Clinton and even G.W. Bush gave it a shot) have done...try and build a legacy by solving the Israel-Palestinian conflict. He'll fail just like the rest simply because the Palestinians don't want to solve it by any means other than the destruction of Israel. Until that changes, this will always be a Siren's Song that winds up with everyone crashing on the rocks.
Just a reminder...Obama has a history of flip-flopping and pandering on this stuff in front of AIPAC.
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How can we have "mutually-agreed swaps" that allows for a Palestinian state that is contiguous but yet doesn't cut Israel in two?
Are the Palestinians going to receive the Sinai desert with the Gaza strip and they forfeit the West Bank?
This makes no gosh-darned sense!
/Sorry for the repost, but am I missing something?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 22, 2011 07:20 AM (c0A3e)
The question is; will they buy it in their love for voting for liberal Democrats?
Posted by: Vic at May 22, 2011 07:20 AM (M9Ie6)
Dump the Palis in the Sinai and turn the West Bank over to the Israelis?
Sounds like a winner to me, I think Kratos has solved the problem.
Posted by: gebrauchshund at May 22, 2011 07:24 AM (iYwUw)
On this point, he is correct.
However, that does not make them acceptable, appropriate, or feasible.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 22, 2011 07:26 AM (7utQ2)
That's true. The "Palestinians" have talked about wiping Israel off the map for decades.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 22, 2011 07:28 AM (Mkaih)
Yet Jay Carney clearly said Obama's position was pre-1967 borders when asked about the supposed misrepresentation.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 22, 2011 07:28 AM (CLYmB)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 22, 2011 07:29 AM (jx2j9)
...especially to hear how he responds to Petey's claim about how the private meeting went down
Posted by: beedubya at May 22, 2011 07:29 AM (AnTyA)
Time to read "Exodus" again.
Posted by: Museisluse at May 22, 2011 07:30 AM (a8aqn)
For such a great communicator, he sure leaves things murky enough to be misrepresented an awful lot.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 22, 2011 07:30 AM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Berserker at May 22, 2011 07:31 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Deety at May 22, 2011 07:31 AM (YTFjM)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 22, 2011 07:31 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: George Orwell at May 22, 2011 07:31 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe and Mississippi Babe Rescue Team at May 22, 2011 07:32 AM (AYNHC)
"...since my position has been misrepresented several times..."
shades of newt.
Yo bammy - We heard what you said, punk. Your crazed hate-fulled lunitic leftwing base cheered, but no one else.
Posted by: hollywood losers at May 22, 2011 07:32 AM (0fzsA)
Like not saying a word during the 2009 protests, you lying cocksucking sack of shit?
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 22, 2011 07:32 AM (Mkaih)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2011 07:33 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Mittens at May 22, 2011 07:33 AM (NtTkA)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 22, 2011 07:33 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2011 07:34 AM (UlUS4)
Now where's that lahbstah Michelle.
Posted by: Imam Barry Hussein Soetoro Obamadinijad at May 22, 2011 07:34 AM (7cXE7)
I can't stand listening to the lying holster of cock, nor watch his stupid fucking Mussolini aspect, but the brief bits I forced myself to listen to were accompanied by applause. Must be a lot of real idiots at AIPAC.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 22, 2011 07:35 AM (Mkaih)
I'm one of them. Agreed (with exceptions).
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2011 11:34 AM (UlUS4)
Sorry. Most American Jews are useless. LOL
Posted by: Barbarian at May 22, 2011 07:36 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)
It 's all calculated ambiguity. The problem is that we don't quite live in the world of "1984" yet. Things get published, and written on the internet. People can reference the actual text, and then there's that idiot Carney and what he said, which either was Obama's idea or Carney is a loose cannon and should be fired.
AIPAC is like any other interest organization. It will spend it's money to get what it perceives is the best deal for its ideas. It's just that not all of those ideas are congruent with reality or what is actually in the best interests of Israel. There are lots of people in this country who "know what's best" for Israel and are not shy about telling the Israelis what's best for them. AIPAC giving President Petey (I love that name) a slobbering knob-job is actually pretty unexpected. The liberal Jewish-American voter is pretty close to Obama on most issues, and are actually hostile to Netanyahu. So who will they believe, their own lyin' eyes or President Petey?
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at May 22, 2011 07:37 AM (sJTmU)
Posted by: President Ebola at May 22, 2011 07:38 AM (AYNHC)
It'd be nice to have a President who'd try something different. Maybe launch 20 missiles into crowded mosques, shopping centers, schools for every Palestinian rocket launched at Israel.
No peace. No Palestinian state. No Palestinian aid. Just brutal retribution.
All I'm saying is give war a chance.
Posted by: Stateless Canadian Infidel at May 22, 2011 07:39 AM (GKQDR)
Posted by: Mittens at May 22, 2011 07:39 AM (NtTkA)
So, the didn't boo the piss out of him?
Posted by: ziggyee
AIPAC President Lee Rosenberg sent an e-mail a few days ago to attendees asking them not to boo Obama during his speech.
Guess they complied.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 22, 2011 07:39 AM (M8E6y)
Posted by: George Orwell at May 22, 2011 07:39 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Barry Soetoro's fluffer and part-time caddy at May 22, 2011 07:40 AM (GgGgG)
Like not saying a word during the 2009 protests, you lying cocksucking sack of shit?
CAIRO! Cairo, Cairo, Cairo!!!!1!
Posted by: Pres. O. at May 22, 2011 07:40 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Crazee at May 22, 2011 07:41 AM (H3ujh)
"actually pretty unexpected" meant to say " actually pretty much expected"
Actually pretty much expected that AIPAC would slobber all over Obama.
bleah
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at May 22, 2011 07:41 AM (sJTmU)
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 22, 2011 07:42 AM (AYNHC)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 22, 2011 07:43 AM (3ESDJ)
The more he spins and lies, the larger his ears get. He's Pinochiotard.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, will one-up your ass at May 22, 2011 07:43 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Barbarian at May 22, 2011 11:31 AM (EL+OC) ___ Make an exception for that babe Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Posted by: swamp_yankee at May 22, 2011 07:44 AM (jOQSe)
Posted by: Fast and Bulbous at May 22, 2011 07:44 AM (CgGWB)
Check this out from the NYT, It's John Walker Lindh's father whining that Johnny should come home now that Osama is dead. I especially liked his characterization of why Lindh was in Afghanistan. Apparently he was a cross between Ernest Hemingway and Clara Barton.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 22, 2011 07:45 AM (Z05lF)
No peace. No Palestinian state. No Palestinian aid. Just brutal retribution.
All I'm saying is give war a chance.
Posted by: Stateless Canadian Infidel at May 22, 2011 11:39 AM (GKQDR)
This. Bibi should go to the U.N. and at the very same moment he confirms Israel's nuclear arsenal, the IDF can begin pounding the West Bank and Gaza Strip with missiles and artillery until nothing moves anymore.
That's the fantasy, anyway.
Posted by: ErikW at May 22, 2011 07:45 AM (JZXZc)
Posted by: The Most Bitter Clinger of All at May 22, 2011 07:46 AM (4sQwu)
Apparently he was a cross between Ernest Hemingway and Clara Barton.
Pass the brain bleach, please.
Posted by: Mama AJ at May 22, 2011 07:47 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: George Orwell at May 22, 2011 07:47 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 22, 2011 07:49 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2011 11:33 AM (UlUS4)
I think it's AIPAC tomorrow, then Congress on Tuesday
Posted by: beedubya at May 22, 2011 07:49 AM (AnTyA)
maybe he'll offer them a nice hot shower too. vendel...vendel...ze plumbing is on fire vendel.
Posted by: Berserker at May 22, 2011 07:49 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 22, 2011 07:50 AM (UOM48)
And Obama's victory lap continues...
Obama gives interview to BBC saying he "would do it again" if he had to.
okay, killah, calm down
Posted by: Sunday Soothsayer at May 22, 2011 07:52 AM (Fe3ZO)
And the White House continues to leak information gathered from the raid on Osama's home. This time revealing Al Qaeda's ideas for targeting fuel tankers.
They will not stop until they divulge all the intel they have.
Posted by: Sunday Soothsayer at May 22, 2011 07:54 AM (zgaoG)
Posted by: Bob Saget with a can of cheezwiz at May 22, 2011 07:57 AM (NLWij)
The guy must be pretty far gone to imagine vacillating for 16 hours before finally agreeing to go ahead with a no-brainer is some kind of fantastic piece of decisive heroism.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 22, 2011 07:59 AM (Mkaih)
Posted by: George Orwell
But see, they are. Really - I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. On an awful lot of issues, AIPAC and the Democrats are on the same page. And there is no issue that seems more obvious yet can be clouded with more ugly wish-projections than the Arab-Israeli conflict. AIPAC wants to support Israel but doesn't want a fight, and wants to well though of in pluralistic America.
AIPAC is not full of Jews concerned for their very survival as Israel is. Their viewpoint is different. They want to help Israel and assuage any Jewish guilt and confirm their brotherhood with their fellow Jews in Israel, but only so far. They still want to socially function in America, and they see how the Jews are being marginalized in Europe.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at May 22, 2011 08:02 AM (sJTmU)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2011 08:02 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: The Geniuses in Oslo at May 22, 2011 08:06 AM (FcR7P)
Damn right, he is the obama. He's too busy trying to punish the west and the white man for their colonialism. I mean whats 6 million exterminated jews 70 years ago compared to his grandfather being in prison under churchill. This is how he thinks.
Posted by: Berserker at May 22, 2011 08:07 AM (FMbng)
It's just burns like hell to have donated to and helped the Republicans take the house in the 94 election for the first time since forever and then to get shafted and it feels like it is happening all over again.
/end off topic rant, sorry
Posted by: Bob Saget with a can of cheezwiz at May 22, 2011 08:11 AM (NLWij)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 22, 2011 08:13 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 22, 2011 08:17 AM (9Lm5R)
The greatest orator of our time screwed up on nuance and semantics.
LOL
Posted by: James Loughner at May 22, 2011 08:29 AM (PrXnz)
That's not news to anyone here. Hell, it's not news to Rush Limbaugh.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 22, 2011 08:29 AM (DRhXx)
Posted by: TEH WON at May 22, 2011 08:55 AM (xEXzN)
Obama is bringing in his PR apparatus that he so finely honed after the bin Laden kill mission.
Everything will be crystal clear soon. Crystal. Clear.
Posted by: Marmo at May 22, 2011 09:14 AM (1KSBb)
Posted by: dulce at May 22, 2011 09:47 AM (Z8tGV)
The man who is too smart to be President put forth what liberal academics have agreed amoung themselves to be the proper course. But when he did not get the adoring cheers he thought he deserved and instead found himself being lectured to by someone he deems to be his inferior, even if he is the PM of Israel, he has started walking it back.
After all, the lack of fauning attention is to Obama as kryptonite is to Superman.
Posted by: Thresherman at May 22, 2011 09:51 AM (wfLSB)
The damage done by the 2008 election will probably never be properly documented - it's too extensive for one mind to contain.
Hopefully, Israel will be able to hold their own until we get rid of our bozo president.
WRT booing, I think AIPAC played the "respect the office" card, which is almost as played out as the race card. Respect for the Office was done away with between 1992 and 2008, it's gone now.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 22, 2011 10:30 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Steve at May 22, 2011 10:44 AM (9pmIj)
Posted by: DailyDish at May 22, 2011 11:12 AM (o/7aT)
thanks for the explanation...i read your comment wrong...i'm glad i asked you for an explanation because i read it so wrong .....
Phoenixgirl, you didn't read the original comment wrong - it was poorly phrased and implied he meant that the R's were antisemitic. Glad too that his point was clarified.
Posted by: Mayday at May 22, 2011 12:09 PM (TRgli)
Nope, I am more and more convinced that Jews have survived only by the sheer grace of God. American Jews, at least, seem to delight in cutting off their nose to spite their face. Abandoning Israel to the tender mercies of a Jew-hating monster such as Barack Obama, while running, screaming, in terror from people such as Sarah Palin who are the most loyal, diehard friends of Israel you will ever find... all because of what? Because perish the thought of making alliances with the dreaded evangelical Christians, those people who want to outlaw.... abortion! Oh, the horror! (Ironically, Jewish women abort a a lower rate than American women in general, so you wonder why they're so hung up on it.)
I quit donating to AIPAC when they started sucking up to Obama. I figured anybody that delusional doesn't deserve my hard-earned money. Now I donate to the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA). No pussyfootin' around with them!
Posted by: Better dead than burqa'ed at May 22, 2011 01:51 PM (2AfqM)
Posted by: gary gulrud at May 22, 2011 02:32 PM (xKs9E)
The Indonesian gets a kick out of telling the most transparent, brazen lies and watching people twist and turn as they try to "give him the benefit of the doubt" (for the trillionth time), when it's just painfully clear that he's an idiot and an enemy of civilization. He laughs himself to sleep thinking about how much shit America and the West are willing to eat ... and eating.
Bingo. You've got the guy pegged. It even comes out every once in a while, he just can't help himself. You see it in little snickers and smirks.
Posted by: Better dead than burqa'ed at May 22, 2011 02:32 PM (2AfqM)
"Second, the language choices Obama made and the fact that no one doubts in his heart of hearts Obama would throw Israel under the bus if he could. The fact is, Presidents don't always have full freedom of action. It's like there are checks and balances or something (thank God)."
He could do more than enough to screw Israel/US relations, and get US and Israeli forces and civilians killed, before Congress can stop him.
Posted by: davod at May 22, 2011 02:32 PM (C5U9L)
Posted by: NotAMolly at May 22, 2011 02:35 PM (ADJFU)
Posted by: President Obama at May 22, 2011 02:40 PM (W7Seu)
Posted by: TexasJew at May 22, 2011 03:48 PM (L8Let)
I say we return the United States of America to the 1860 borders and give back the Confederate States Of America's land that was stolen during an illegal war of aggression by the war criminals Linoln, Grant and Sherman.
Return the USA to the 1860 borders.
let Obama, POTUS (PBUH) consider that.
Posted by: HEP-T at May 22, 2011 03:55 PM (nwQY0)
Posted by: ugh at May 22, 2011 04:18 PM (MYtXl)
*Palestine has no real business/education/trade class to fall back on.
*Palestines population has exploded is now much much larger then it was when Israel was established.
*If Palestinians grew peaceful western aid would dry up and palestine would literally starve to death almost overnight.
Terror is their rent check and meal ticket. As long as that's true, religion regardless then Palestinians will never be able to afford peace with Israel.
Posted by: Shiggz at May 22, 2011 05:17 PM (mLAWK)
"No President has made connecting Gaza to the WB a *starting point* for negotiations."
I believe the Israelis alreadysigned on to this ridiculous idea.
Posted by: davod at May 23, 2011 05:00 AM (C5U9L)
Posted by: km at May 30, 2011 10:56 PM (4h5aZ)
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