February 23, 2011
— Ace Present.
Weak sauce as far as action:
Obama said his staff will work with the international community to discuss the volatile situation and the administration is "doing everything we can to protect American citizens," calling it his "highest priority."
I love a discussion.
Although I should be fair: I don't think I want tangible American action here. Arabs have enormous chips on their shoulders about the West and like slightly-demented loser little brothers they sort of need to make their own way, even it it's a bit pathetic. American involvement gives them what they most need -- a scapegoat, someone to blame their failures on.
I could be wrong.
On CNN... A guy is saying that Libya, the state, may not survive Qadhafi's ouster; the state may split into tribe-controlled regions.
Does anyone care about this? Is there a single good reason to champion these arbitrary lines and larger-than-needed-or-wanted states which unite tribes that don't want to be under a single authority?
Do we have some sentimentalism about our old maps? Do we fear having to draw new ones?
This expert wasn't necessarily against Libya splitting into smaller states, but his general tone was one of alarm.
I don't get that. Why do we care if Libya splits into seven more homogeneous tribal regions?
Given the huge amount of trouble in this part of the world, and their inability to run functional modern-style governments, shouldn't we be in favor of smaller states?
Oh, right, the dream of multiculturalism. We have to champion multiculturalism not only in our own peaceful country but in barbaric tribal semi-states.
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Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at February 23, 2011 02:00 PM (c45xH)
Posted by: King Barry I "Piehole" at February 23, 2011 02:00 PM (QKKT0)
'notice he didnt mention Qadafi by name. WH says they dont want it to get personal'
Yeah wouldnt want to offend Momar on a personal level. Barry wants to keep all his options on the table.
Hey Momar, I like you personally, but it looks bad on tv, you know I have to say these things as President, but please be assured it's nothing personal
Posted by: ginaswo at February 23, 2011 02:01 PM (k1f7N)
He should have a new seal to hang on his podium for foreign policy pronouncements.
What's the Latin for "Fuck Me Harder, Mohammed!"?
Posted by: Sharkman at February 23, 2011 02:01 PM (sqNU7)
Posted by: Barbarian at February 23, 2011 02:02 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Cicero at February 23, 2011 02:02 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 23, 2011 02:03 PM (SJ6/3)
Tell Moammar it was only business, I always liked him.
Posted by: King Barry I "Piehole" at February 23, 2011 02:04 PM (QKKT0)
Should we disturbed that you know this?
Posted by: fluffy at February 23, 2011 02:05 PM (SwkdU)
He's scared out of his ever-lovin' mind that he'll end up like Jimmy Carter with a year-and-a-half-long hostage crisis that he's got no idea how to navigate.
It probably wouldn't do him any good to say, "I remind Col. Qaddafi that he has obligations under international law to permit American citizens to leave Libya safely, and the United States will hold him personally accountable for their safe passage out of his country." Given Obama's track record, Qaddafi would take that as a green light to take hostages and call Obama's bluff.
But it's pretty repulsive to see an American President incapable of calling a vicious, murdering dictator a vicious, murdering dictator.
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 02:06 PM (Di3Im)
Nice. Which reminds me: Abe Vigoda - Still Alive
Posted by: toby928™ at February 23, 2011 02:06 PM (GTbGH)
Oppressive, sadistic dictator actively killing his people = volatile situation
Republicans trying to cut deficits = cruel torturers of the working man, women, and children
Posted by: FUBAR at February 23, 2011 02:07 PM (McG46)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 23, 2011 02:08 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Rocks at February 23, 2011 02:09 PM (th0op)
Posted by: Pieholus Africanus at February 23, 2011 02:10 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2011 02:10 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Sharkman at February 23, 2011 02:10 PM (sqNU7)
Posted by: Barack Holster Media at February 23, 2011 02:10 PM (H8Ip6)
Posted by: catmman at February 23, 2011 02:10 PM (DTzwU)
Where are the links to the Qaddafi "Downfall" videos?
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 02:11 PM (Di3Im)
I told my lib friends they would be riding bicycles next year. I didn't want to be right.
Posted by: Derak at February 23, 2011 02:12 PM (CjpKH)
It pains him too much to go after Terrorists and Socialists.
He WILL NOT go after a Socialist Muslim.
Cloward-Piven by 2015!!! Go, BHO!
Posted by: Q'daffy at February 23, 2011 02:13 PM (d7Px0)
Posted by: catmman at February 23, 2011 06:10 PM (DTzwU)
I heard that. And he saved his sternest condemnation for the group that first used atomic weapons on other groups.
Posted by: FUBAR at February 23, 2011 02:14 PM (McG46)
But it's pretty repulsive to see an American President incapable of calling a vicious, murdering dictator a vicious, murdering dictator.
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 06:06 PM (Di3Im)
Obama might be holding back on the rhetoric because he has a State Dinner lined up to honor Qaddafi as a humanitarian.
Makes as much sense as anything else he does.
Posted by: ErikW at February 23, 2011 02:14 PM (H+suL)
Posted by: Nash Rambler at February 23, 2011 02:14 PM (9IOHF)
Posted by: t-bird at February 23, 2011 02:14 PM (FcR7P)
I don't either but we don't have to pretend we are doing something either. The President should be stating we support peace and freedom. Something that has been in very short supply in the middle east for a long time and we will support anyone who embraces those goals as America defines them.
Posted by: Rocks at February 23, 2011 02:14 PM (th0op)
This is a big f*cking deal!
Posted by: Joe Biden at February 23, 2011 02:15 PM (H8Ip6)
Posted by: bigred HO HO HEY HEY HOW MANY JOBS BARACK KILL TODAY? at February 23, 2011 02:15 PM (cX9pO)
Posted by: Zombie Walter Cronkite at February 23, 2011 02:16 PM (mwn2O)
Posted by: fb at February 23, 2011 02:16 PM (G60Nl)
Yes, this nugget will change the hearts and minds of the oppressors lickety-split.
"If only we had known."
Posted by: Fritz at February 23, 2011 02:16 PM (/8mBu)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 23, 2011 02:16 PM (sIRFM)
Yes. It's not a do or die issue but Balkanisation is not good. It increases costs all around and makes it harder to do business. Most of the tribes want independence simply to get their own check from us.
Posted by: Rocks at February 23, 2011 02:17 PM (th0op)
Posted by: t-bird at February 23, 2011 02:17 PM (FcR7P)
How come? Any unrest that affects the world affects the US disproportionately. We dominate trade and we dominate oil consumption. We should do what it takes to secure the oil supplies. For ourselves, and for the whole world, especially the poor people of the world. See how altruistic?
Posted by: FUBAR at February 23, 2011 02:17 PM (McG46)
via matt drudge and just mentioned by Michael Savage
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 02:18 PM (p302b)
That's funny right there.
It's like at some point Libya was NOT made up of tribe-controlled regions. For example it's like moHAMmahr was never beholdin' to some familial self elected leader of a group with claims to a particular heritage/lineage.
Or maybe there isn't a couple of TRIBAL CHIEFTAINS that have already told colonel crazy pants to get out of dodge. I'm sure there isn't one specific tribe-controlled region that RUNS THE OIL business in Libya.
Seriously what was that idiot smokin'?
Posted by: Blacksmith8 at February 23, 2011 02:19 PM (Q1qy3)
Caute ut usu porta non ut ferias them exeatis.
Posted by: Stuff Caesar Said, vol I. at February 23, 2011 02:19 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 02:19 PM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 06:18 PM (hypVB)
But she has such a lovely singing voice!
Posted by: ErikW at February 23, 2011 02:19 PM (H+suL)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 23, 2011 02:20 PM (sIRFM)
Given the huge amount of trouble in this part of the world, and their inability to run functional modern-style governments, shouldn't we be in favor of smaller states?
The international community just went to a lot of effort to assist the southern Sudanese in holding a referendum on splitting off the southern provinces of Sudan into a new independent country. It passed overwhelmingly.
Recall also that NATO used a lot of military force to midwife the creation of an independent Kosovo -- which had been a province of Serbia proper, not a separate former Yugoslav republic like Slovenia, Bosnia or Croatia.
And of course the granddaddy of all international efforts to create a new statelet is the Palestinian independence program.
Splitting off smaller states from bigger ones isn't always the right answer -- it's what the Aztlan activists want to do with the US Southwest -- but it can be a good thing, if the old national boundaries don't reflect any real shared national identity.
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 02:20 PM (Di3Im)
Why the overthrow of Qaddafi might matter more than the events in Egypt and Tunisia.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 23, 2011 02:20 PM (c0A3e)
It would give them the opportunity of a more proximate target for releasing their aggressions.
And the loss of oil production there would put put force a really uncomfortable "discussion" for Obama on the merits of domestic energy production.
Posted by: krakatoa at February 23, 2011 02:21 PM (a0Jhx)
Posted by: nine coconuts at February 23, 2011 02:21 PM (DHNp4)
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 06:18 PM (hypVB)
But she has such a lovely singing voice!
Posted by: ErikW at February 23, 2011 06:19 PM (H+suL)
First, she had a lot of plastic surgery done. So she looks a lot better these days.
And second, who else would you want singing the key role in Aristophanes's The Frogs?
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 02:22 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 23, 2011 02:22 PM (c5RQr)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 23, 2011 02:23 PM (0IPsJ)
Posted by: Bugler at February 23, 2011 02:23 PM (VXBR1)
Posted by: Keith Arnold at February 23, 2011 02:23 PM (Jdtsu)
American involvement gives them what they most need -- a scapegoat, someone to blame their failures on.
I could be wrong.
You're not wrong.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at February 23, 2011 02:24 PM (w41GQ)
Posted by: Old Arab Saying at February 23, 2011 02:26 PM (yr+62)
My cousin lubes up Lesbians. Oddly enough, he doesn't find it all that rewarding either.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 23, 2011 02:26 PM (sIRFM)
I don't think we get much, if any, directly from Libya, but Libya provides a good deal of Europe's oil and when their production goes off line, the entire oil pool is affected and the Saudis will be hard pressed to make it up.
Bottom line - 100 dollars might be the new baseline if Libya splits from a civil war.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 23, 2011 02:27 PM (c0A3e)
Yes, this nugget will change the hearts and minds of the oppressors lickety-split.
"If only we had known."
Posted by: Fritz at February 23, 2011 06:16 PM (/8mBu)
I like how he's telling the violence to stop. "Stop, Violence! Stop, I say!"
The violence doesn't have ears. First rule of statement-making: address your statements to things that have ears, preferably creatures, especially humans, and ideally those humans who can actually do something about what your statement is about..
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 02:27 PM (Di3Im)
Traditionally, we have supported nation-states in this region (even in areas where nation-states didn't make sense) because we want to deal with larger governmental and legal entities for stable, longer-lasting, and easier economic transactions. For example, we don't want to cut an oil deal with eight ethnic groups in Libya. We want to cut a deal with the strong-arm dictator that allows our companies to explore relatively large regions, build and maintain capital, and count on consistent profits without continuous concerns about instability.
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 02:27 PM (VoSja)
After a few days, he changed his mind to the same position John McCain was saying. "Russia needs to get out of Georgia."
Did anyone expect him to help?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 23, 2011 02:28 PM (/G5LI)
We now have good evidence that sick F* ordered the Pan Am strike.
We can't do worse than we already have.
He has already murdered US civilians from his ivory tower.
I see no good reason not to install some extra half inch ventilation in his cranium, then maybe the follow on will be a little more respectful, and maybe the protesters *might* appreciate the help.
Posted by: MīcÞeMūs at February 23, 2011 02:28 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: nine coconuts at February 23, 2011 02:28 PM (DHNp4)
And second, who else would you want singing the key role in Aristophanes's The Frogs?
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 06:22 PM (Di3Im)
I don't know, ask Monty.
The fuck is this, Greek Play Wednesdays?
Posted by: ErikW at February 23, 2011 02:28 PM (H+suL)
Posted by: Barack Obama at February 23, 2011 02:29 PM (yr+62)
You already see some of the effect of conflict. It isn't like we pick and choose whom we buy oil from.
We buy much of our oil from OPEC, of which Libya is a member. If one producer drops off and others can't compensate for the supply deficiency, prices go up.
If Libya dissolved into smaller states, I would presume they would sign their own contracts with OPEC. So long as the production quotas were met, there shouldn't be any large impact on prices.
However, I think it is pretty obvious that the infrastructure would pretty quickly fall apart due to inter-tribal quarreling & just the general lack expertise in maintaining production.
Posted by: krakatoa at February 23, 2011 02:29 PM (a0Jhx)
[And I am disappointed in you morons. 75 comments in and this is the first Gibson comment?]
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at February 23, 2011 02:30 PM (LH6ir)
Bottom line - 100 dollars might be the new baseline if Libya splits from a civil war.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 23, 2011 06:27 PM (c0A3e)
Splitting up Libya and giving each region incentives to profit from oil development in its own territory will likely cause Libyan oil exports to boom. There currently isn't much incentive for Libyans as a people to care about oil exports because Qaddafi rips off all the profits.
Plus the new regional oil development corporations might prefer to do business with US exploration and production companies because BP was so deeply in bed with Moammar.
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 02:31 PM (Di3Im)
The process of creating all of the fractured pieces into individual countries and trying to deal with oil wealth and other natural resources is the recipe for another Sudan.
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 02:31 PM (VoSja)
Not just that, *would* they? After all, they can comfortably watch oil prices rise and just throw up their hands and say "we just don't have the resources to ramp up production! And what can *we* do about Libya?" $100 might be a low baseline - we still got issues, what with Iran moving through the Suez Canal. How long before that starts messing with oil supply to Europe?
the sinner,
Patrick
Posted by: Patrick at February 23, 2011 02:32 PM (lBWBq)
we would be better off in the middle east if we adopted a policy of never supporting dictators, that doesn't mean we have to support hostile islamic theocracies.
that leaves one middle-eastern country to support... you know which one.
we drill our own oil and let the ragheads rot in the sand, they will be begging us for food in no time.
Posted by: Sgt. Batguano at February 23, 2011 02:33 PM (ehKDD)
Heh. "Law." Even an international one which Obama would consider divine if it damaged the U.S. Now that's funny at at least two levels. Like Charlie Gibson, neither man ever heard of it.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 23, 2011 02:33 PM (swuwV)
Posted by: MīcÞeMūs at February 23, 2011 02:33 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ace at February 23, 2011 02:33 PM (nj1bB)
Why couldn't we land a plane to evacuate?
Why weren't we more prepared a lot sooner?
Did other countries refuse to lend us nearby assets, maybe in payback for being treated like shit?
Did the whole admin. just forget about this issues and then suddenly remember Carter and Iran and say "oh shit"?
And what americans is he evacuating? Who does business with Libya besides the oil companies and code pink?
Posted by: nine coconuts at February 23, 2011 02:34 PM (DHNp4)
Tribalism was the norm for many years, and the rise of Islamist power is correlated with oil revenue and the creation of these unnatural Arab states.
Any fracturing of the idea of a pan-Arab Africa or ME is a good thing for the world, because unifying 500 tribes behind global domination through Jihad will be much more difficult than unifying a few countries that are controlled by the typical Arab despot.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 23, 2011 02:34 PM (LH6ir)
There won't be incentives to invest if there is not political stability. There are a large number of ethnic groups and tribal loyalties, but there are not clearly demarcated areas where these separate groups live. Nearly half of the country's population is concentrated in or within 20 miles of the three largest cities.
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 02:35 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: MīcÞeMūs at February 23, 2011 02:35 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: sillyme at February 23, 2011 02:35 PM (+zLTj)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 23, 2011 02:35 PM (xdHzq)
Posted by: ace at February 23, 2011 02:35 PM (nj1bB)
Ace ,
The number 1 reason to keep it as one state, resources.
The oil is only in certain regions. countless wars will be fought over those resources. It is easier if they are sharing them in one state.
Posted by: Ben at February 23, 2011 02:36 PM (DKV43)
Why weren't we more prepared a lot sooner? O
Did other countries refuse to lend us nearby assets, maybe in payback for being treated like shit? O
Did the whole admin. just forget about this issues and then suddenly remember Carter and Iran and say "oh shit"? O
Posted by: MīcÞeMūs at February 23, 2011 02:36 PM (0q2P7)
Anyone else get the feeling that maybe we're not looking at another Carter, that we need a Reagan to fix the problems. And in actuality we're looking at another John Adams, and we need a Jefferson to stop the muslim pirates.
Posted by: buzzion at February 23, 2011 02:36 PM (oVQFe)
Good point. Let's hope for this scenario then, as it would be beneficial for everyone.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 23, 2011 02:36 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Fritz, channeling an MBM meme at February 23, 2011 02:36 PM (/8mBu)
Posted by: ParisParamus at February 23, 2011 02:37 PM (aOpxx)
Posted by: Honey Badger at February 23, 2011 02:37 PM (9IOHF)
American involvement gives them what they most need -- a scapegoat, someone to blame their failures on.
I could be wrong.
You're not wrong.
I think the main problem is that we couldn't even if we wanted to. Our military is almost at it's end with the deployments we're involved in now. The blame for that can be shared by both sides of the aisle.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 02:39 PM (hypVB)
Splitting up Libya and giving each region incentives to profit from oil development in its own territory will likely cause Libyan oil exports to boom. There currently isn't much incentive for Libyans as a people to care about oil exports because Qaddafi rips off all the profits.
Plus the new regional oil development corporations might prefer to do business with US exploration and production companies because BP was so deeply in bed with Moammar.
I think this is possible, but you're thinking like Westerners. We're dealing with tribal Arabs who will no longer have Quadaffi's hard boot up their ass to dissuade them from settling centuries worth of grievances with the other tribes....plus, they will all probably start fighting over the oil, too. They just don't act like we do.
Posted by: MissTammy at February 23, 2011 02:39 PM (BebB7)
Posted by: El Presidenté at February 23, 2011 02:40 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: ace at February 23, 2011 02:40 PM (nj1bB)
7
He should have a new seal to hang on his podium for foreign policy pronouncements.
What's the Latin for "Fuck Me Harder, Mohammed!"?
Posted by: Sock Puppet 5000 at February 23, 2011 02:40 PM (W58PC)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 23, 2011 02:41 PM (UqKQV)
Ace ,
The number 1 reason to keep it as one state, resources.
The oil is only in certain regions. countless wars will be fought over those resources. It is easier if they are sharing them in one state.
Posted by: Ben at February 23, 2011 06:36 PM (DKV43)
and they will still fight over it endlessly, let them fight it out then the fighting will be done.
individuals can share if they so choose, nations, countries, tribes, clans don't do sharing so well, they fight until there is a clear winner and a clear loser, then the fight is settled, if they aren't allowed to fight the hatred and anomosity just goes on, and on, and on.
Posted by: Sgt. Batguano at February 23, 2011 02:41 PM (ehKDD)
Posted by: 29Victor at February 23, 2011 02:41 PM (ES9R7)
Dude the big GOD must be laughing his arse off. He turns irony up to 11 and sticks one of the most perfect naturally occurring fuels and resources right under the feet of one of the most technologically backwards combative cultures, then grabs a bucket of pop-corn.
Posted by: MīcÞeMūs at February 23, 2011 02:41 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 02:42 PM (p302b)
Posted by: ace at February 23, 2011 02:42 PM (nj1bB)
In 2013, every limp dick in Hollywood will be demanding a humanitarian mission to Libya.
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 02:43 PM (cK4d/)
Not if they fight with long pointy sticks.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 23, 2011 02:44 PM (xdHzq)
The arrested culture of the Middle East is won't fix itself. The best it can arrange for itself is being conquered by one strongman for a while.
Posted by: nickless at February 23, 2011 02:44 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2011 02:44 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: ace at February 23, 2011 02:44 PM (nj1bB)
Well I tend to think that airpower-wise we could manage it. It's not like Libya's own airpower would take long to destroy.
But I don't think I'd advise it either way. Whatever happens, they will look for scapegoats and patrons from whom they demand money.
Posted by: ace at February 23, 2011 06:42 PM (nj1bB)
yep, we drop one bomb, we pay for everything!
we can't afford it.
Posted by: Sgt. Batguano at February 23, 2011 02:44 PM (ehKDD)
In 2013, every limp dick in Hollywood will be demanding a humanitarian mission to Libya.
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 06:43 PM (cK4d/)
Yeah, the raging about the plight in Darfur seems to be completely gone right now.
Posted by: buzzion at February 23, 2011 02:45 PM (oVQFe)
The asswipe can spout off every damn day on Egypt, but it takes him this long to say absofuckinglutely nothing, primarily because he's a feckless coward. The SOB doesn't give a shit about anything here or abroad unless it benefits him politically, so when he does say something his words are calculated on that alone.
WTF, indeed.
Posted by: Steph at February 23, 2011 02:45 PM (AkdC5)
The fragmented state idea might work, but there are many challenges.
Take the Sudan. Most of the oil is in Southern Sudan, but the port is in Northern Sudan. This means that both parts have to work together in order to bring oil to market. This is probably a good thing long-term for Northern and Southern Sudan.
Will Libya be the same way? I don't know, but I don't think so. How would the country break up? Most of the population lives in or near the three largest cities on the Mediterrean coast anyways, so the breakup of most of the rest of the region only matters for resource reasons anyways.
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 02:45 PM (VoSja)
The process of creating all of the fractured pieces into individual countries and trying to deal with oil wealth and other natural resources is the recipe for another Sudan.
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 06:31 PM (VoSja)
But the current process in Sudan is the decomposition of the country into smaller independent countries, because the larger conglomeration couldn't hold together in a stable fashion.
Iraq is a better example of a country that would be excessively difficult to split up. For starters, giving the Kurdish north independence would inflame Turkey and Iran by making it appear that their own Kurdish provinces deserved independence.
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 02:45 PM (Di3Im)
RE oil companies: "Libya is one of the worldÂ’s biggest oil producers and has the largest proven oil reserves in the whole of Africa. Eni, ItalyÂ’s largest natural gas and oil company, is the biggest oil company operating in Libya, where it has at least six contracts alongside the Libyan state oil company."
Shell and Exxon-Mobil are among the other companies that have and are drilling in Libya.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 02:46 PM (yfJ6g)
That argument should apply as well to why it mattered whether Iraq post-Hussein split into three or so ethnic/cultural regions. It isn't as if keeping Iraq "united" has taught them to get along or to function responsibly as one amalgamated population, despite being spoon fed with a decade of training and bribes.
Posted by: El Presidenté at February 23, 2011 02:46 PM (H+LJc)
Well I tend to think that airpower-wise we could manage it. It's not like Libya's own airpower would take long to destroy.
You're gonna bomb Malta?!
Posted by: Tami at February 23, 2011 02:46 PM (VuLos)
Regardless of what we do this situation is going to cost us money. The price of oil has increased by 10% already. How about if the calculus becomes a simple: Keep the oil flowing to the best of our ability, as long as no Americans get killed."
We have always been accused of starting wars for oil, even though that is bullshit. Maybe this time we should work on self-interest, and nothing else?
And yes, this will never come to pass. I ain't stupid.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 23, 2011 02:46 PM (LH6ir)
It'll be every prince for himself.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 23, 2011 02:46 PM (T0NGe)
I believe Mr Clooney is on record saying that Bush was very helpful with Darfur, far more than than Obambi. On Stewart's or Mahr's show, no less.
Posted by: MissTammy at February 23, 2011 02:47 PM (BebB7)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 23, 2011 02:47 PM (rQ2EG)
Do we have some sentimentalism about our old maps? Do we fear having to draw new ones?
Yes and Yes. See Oil.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 23, 2011 02:48 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: nickless at February 23, 2011 06:44 PM (MMC8r)
Sometimes I think that the old colonial system wasn't all that bad.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 02:48 PM (hypVB)
Posted by: El Presidenté at February 23, 2011 06:46 PM (H+LJc)
In Iraq's case, the splitting would have been a disaster. The tripartition people talked about would result in a Shia region that would have been a proxy for Iran and Turkey would have done some nasty stuff to the Kurds.
For Libya, I don't think that this holds. None of its neighbors will use it as a proxy and we might be able to get a look inside and see some WMD-related stuff still there.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 23, 2011 02:50 PM (T0NGe)
Iraq is a better example of a country that would be excessively difficult to split up. For starters, giving the Kurdish north independence would inflame Turkey and Iran by making it appear that their own Kurdish provinces deserved independence.
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 06:45 PM (Di3Im)
You say this like it's a bad thing. That is a fine idea. It will keep the Turks occupied, it will put tremendous pressure on the Iranians, who probably couldn't handle it, and it would make the Kurds a bit more pro-American.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 23, 2011 02:50 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 02:50 PM (cK4d/)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 23, 2011 02:50 PM (eOXTH)
Is there a single good reason to champion these arbitrary lines and larger-than-needed-or-wanted states which unite tribes that don't want to be under a single authority?
...
Given the huge amount of trouble in this part of the world, and their inability to run functional modern-style governments, shouldn't we be in favor of smaller states?
There is a danger of one or more of these tribes degenerating into tribalism, nd potentially extremely Islamic tribalism; see Somalia, Afghanistan, maybe Yemen, Sudan. Islamic tribes would likely receive all sorts of political support from the MoBro and the Saudis, and maybe money, advisors on how to handle their oil wealth, ...... fighters, like we see in the remains of Yugoslavia.
This is right in the backyard of Europe. Whether this will serve the current European governments and leftists (it should put a real knobbed plug in Greece, due to proximity), it will cause instability in the region.
Italy (proximity & length of coastline) is in real danger. Spain, southern Fwance and Greece (and Greece has a larger islamic alien internal problem and a much larger quasi-islamic neighbor with whom they've had a multi-century blood feud) are about a step behind.
There is something to be said for stepping in, and keeping the car keys out of the hands of the locals.
But helping to whack Moammar & friends, then waiting and seeing how things turn out might be better. Libya is much more accessable than Afghanistan, and the Euros are much more likely to be willing to go back in.
Posted by: Arbalest at February 23, 2011 02:51 PM (jpLPD)
Speaking of Joe, where ya been, buddy? Surely you have some spellbinding insights to regale us with besides your favorite flavored ice cream. You are the international affairs expert.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 23, 2011 02:51 PM (swuwV)
Posted by: Fortunata at February 23, 2011 02:51 PM (90H1N)
Posted by: Zombie Walter Cronkite at February 23, 2011 06:16 PM (mwn2O)
That's what this place is for. Toonces is a busy guy ya know.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd at February 23, 2011 02:51 PM (eCAn3)
This expert wasn't necessarily against Libya splitting into smaller states, but his general tone was one of alarm.
I don't get that. Why do we care if Libya splits into seven more homogeneous tribal regions?
Given the huge amount of trouble in this part of the world, and their inability to run functional modern-style governments, shouldn't we be in favor of smaller states?
Smaller states are one thing. Tribal areas is another. We're not talking about Czechoslovakia splitting into the Czech Republic and Slovakia. The more apt comparison is Libya changing into a big Somalia - with lots of oil. Think of Somali warlords. Now think of WELL FINANCED Somali warlords just a short hop from Southern Europe.
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 23, 2011 06:47 PM (rQ2EG)
there is a solution to that problem... they mess with us we kill them, we don't arrest them, we don't try them, we don't pay for any damage done, we don't apologize, we don't ask for permission, they fuck with us, we kill them, we go home. end of problem.
Posted by: Sgt. Batguano at February 23, 2011 02:52 PM (ehKDD)
For Libya, I don't think that this holds. None of its neighbors will use it as a proxy and we might be able to get a look inside and see some WMD-related stuff still there.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 23, 2011 06:50 PM (T0NGe)
Maybe not eye it as a proxy, but to take it back to the Iraq analogy, could they see the splintered portions of Libya with its oil and decide that they will play the Saddam to its Kuwait?
Posted by: buzzion at February 23, 2011 02:52 PM (oVQFe)
Sometimes I think that the old colonial system wasn't all that bad.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 06:48 PM (hypVB)
India wouldn't be where it is today without the British. And China learned one helluva lot from the Brits in Hong Kong.
And we were a colony, too, so there's probably a limit to how long that good influence can last before you start electing self-loathing commie imbeciles.
Posted by: nickless at February 23, 2011 02:53 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 06:50 PM (cK4d/)
Are you talking about Libya or the Gulf of Mexico?
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 02:53 PM (hypVB)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 02:53 PM (yfJ6g)
You say this like it's a bad thing. That is a fine idea. It will keep the Turks occupied, it will put tremendous pressure on the Iranians, who probably couldn't handle it, and it would make the Kurds a bit more pro-American Dead.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 23, 2011 06:50 PM (LH6ir)
FTFY
Posted by: buzzion at February 23, 2011 02:54 PM (oVQFe)
Do we have some sentimentalism about our old maps?
I don't know about the maps, but they were waving the Libyan flag an awful lot at the Daytona 500 this weekend.
Posted by: FireHorse at February 23, 2011 02:54 PM (k3RPu)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 23, 2011 06:47 PM (rQ2EG)
Yeah, but if it's as chaotic as is suggested, they won't be able to operate wells without sabotage.
Ultimately, it'd be like having 3 little Qadaffys except with a lot less power each.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 23, 2011 02:55 PM (T0NGe)
They invented the "Red Phone" so the USSR and USA could communicate in a crisis.
Why can't we invent a "Present Button" Barak Huisain Obama can push to effectively communicate to the American people in a crisis?
MFM can lede with story "BHO pushed the Present Button 2 times today.........
Posted by: Jake_in_Idaho at February 23, 2011 02:55 PM (vrDK+)
>>>The number 1 reason to keep it as one state, resources.
The oil is only in certain regions. countless wars will be fought over those resources. It is easier if they are sharing them in one state.
Wouldn't you guess that more war = higher costs = more oil needing to be pumped?
I just don't see the reason for a rooting interest in a fucked-up state that doesn't exist except on paper.
I would think more war in that region would result in less oil being produced. I'm not sure how you would think war would result in more oil being produced.
Don't get me wrong. I'm in no way sentimental about a state that came into in existence in 1911 after Italy picked off three large regions from a dying Ottoman Empire and turned them into a colonial state.
It's a small country, i think 5 or 6 million people. I don't think its ridiculous to try to keep it as one quasi-unified state, or to hope that it remains so.
Splitting it up not only increases the likelihood of wars between the freshly split up nations over resources, but also weakens them and make them targets for neighbors. What's to stop Egypt from annexing the oil rich east region
I have no attachement to Libya as a state, but I just don't see the overwhelming advantages of multiple independent states
Posted by: Ben at February 23, 2011 02:55 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at February 23, 2011 02:56 PM (KB8P5)
Posted by: MissTammy at February 23, 2011 02:56 PM (BebB7)
there is a solution to that problem... they mess with us we kill them, we don't arrest them, we don't try them, we don't pay for any damage done, we don't apologize, we don't ask for permission, they fuck with us, we kill them, we go home. end of problem.
Posted by: Sgt. Batguano at February 23, 2011 06:52 PM (ehKDD)
...To the shores of Tripoli....
See, its not shaping up to be a Carter Reagan situation. We're looking at Adams Jefferson.
Posted by: buzzion at February 23, 2011 02:56 PM (oVQFe)
You meanies need to understand that Michelle believes the fat-free lunch program is more important than a simple genocide in Libya. Barack got the message and will continue morphing into a preening pussy.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 23, 2011 02:56 PM (ZHsNw)
You know what's most funny?
All during the campaign in 2008 all we heard was how Joe Biden was a foreign policy expert.
More than two years into Obama's term, not ONCE has Joe Biden done anything remarkable or memorable in our foreign policy affairs.
It's almost as if Biden's expertise was just a bunch of horseshit being peddled by Obama, Joe, and the media.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 23, 2011 02:57 PM (g73jP)
So Libya may split into less artifical areas, SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME.
When can we split and get rid of the Socialist States?
Posted by: T Partier at February 23, 2011 02:57 PM (PX/Jf)
Posted by: ace at February 23, 2011 06:35 PM (nj1bB)
Ace, I'm thinking more in terms of us, or the people we buy from, selling to them rather than the other way around. business around the world is mostly a matter of greasing palms. The more dinky countries you have the more palms to grease. In many cases the sole purpose of home rule is get get on the grease list. Never mind we need an entire embassy and staff for each and each gets their own support from us. Combining things lower costs. And there will be a lot of business to be done in Libya if it opens up. Nothing major has been done as far as infrastructure in 40 years and America is a leading player in that field.
The 90% thing isn't true either. An awful lot of American engineers, etc are involved in their building even if they are working for multi-nationals. The same with computer systems, etc.
Posted by: Rocks at February 23, 2011 02:58 PM (th0op)
That's just my two cents.
Posted by: MWR at February 23, 2011 02:58 PM (CA2NO)
By the Turks? Maybe not. Partition Northern Iraq and arm the Kurds, with the proviso that they stay out of Turkish affairs. Hell, it may not work, but I like the idea of tweaking the Turks and the Iranians in one fell swoop.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 23, 2011 02:58 PM (LH6ir)
I'm with Honey Badger on this, I don't give a shit what they do as long as we aren't involved.
If oil does stay high and Libyia decides to drink their oil rather than sell it then maybe Americans will wake up and put pressure on the dems to develop our own resources.
Posted by: robtr at February 23, 2011 02:58 PM (hVDig)
I don't think I'll get elected on the Old Faithful Drilling Platform. so you're boned.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 23, 2011 02:59 PM (xdHzq)
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at February 23, 2011 03:00 PM (8grkz)
"I was annoyed before. Now I'm Tripoli annoyed."
---Barack Obama
Oh, that Barak! Such a wonderful sense of humor in such trying times.
Posted by: Andrea Mitchell at February 23, 2011 03:00 PM (hypVB)
Super Joe?
Delusions of Grandeur Joe?
Miracle Healer Joe? (In the name of the almighty I bid you stand up Chuck!)
Courageous said something pithy and witty to Bush that no one heard Joe?
Posted by: MīcÞeMūs at February 23, 2011 03:02 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Zombie bin Laden at February 23, 2011 03:02 PM (cK4d/)
And Egypt needs oil, and a place to practice with those M1A1 Abrams and F16s.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 23, 2011 03:04 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at February 23, 2011 07:00 PM (8grkz)
this is true, but it ain't happening
see story: 4 Americans, Pirates from a few days ago
Posted by: Jake_in_Idaho at February 23, 2011 03:05 PM (vrDK+)
Combining things lower costs. And there will be a lot of business to be done in Libya if it opens up. Nothing major has been done as far as infrastructure in 40 years and America is a leading player in that field.
But how would this affect Moochelle's children?
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 03:05 PM (hypVB)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 23, 2011 03:07 PM (AFlF9)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 23, 2011 03:07 PM (xdHzq)
He reminds me of the Don Knotts character who stayed all night in the haunted house. Can't remember his name.
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 03:08 PM (cK4d/)
So Col Daffy is pals with LouisFarrakanRevwrightchicagomafia?
Sure looks like it?
Tell me again how Barky isn't just a plant by the islamomarxists?
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 03:09 PM (In1re)
Chris Matthew panned Obama's response here:
“This statement could have been put out by the first President Bush. It has the aspect of an Arabist statement. I shouldn’t be too strong here, but it doesn’t have any dignity. I mean — Ronald Reagan — to his credit, said ‘evil empire’ before the fall of the wall.”
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 03:10 PM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: Barry Sotero at February 23, 2011 03:10 PM (ihSHD)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 07:08 PM (cK4d/)
Mr. Chicken. No jokes, please.
Posted by: The Chicken at February 23, 2011 03:11 PM (hypVB)
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 03:13 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 03:13 PM (cK4d/)
I hope Chrissie's tingling leg falls right the fuck off.
Posted by: nickless at February 23, 2011 03:14 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Another great line from 'Ghost and Mr. Chicken' at February 23, 2011 03:15 PM (MMC8r)
Chris Matthew panned Obama's response here:
“This statement could have been put out by the first President Bush. It has the aspect of an Arabist statement. I shouldn’t be too strong here, but it doesn’t have any dignity. I mean — Ronald Reagan — to his credit, said ‘evil empire’ before the fall of the wall.”
Heh! That's ironic in light of the fact Chris Matthews recently had a meltdown over Ronaldus Maximus being named the greatest president. heh!
Posted by: Barry Sotero at February 23, 2011 03:15 PM (ihSHD)
Super Joe?
Delusions of Grandeur Joe?
Miracle Healer Joe? (In the name of the almighty I bid you stand up Chuck!)
Courageous said something pithy and witty to Bush that no one heard Joe?
Posted by: MīcÞeMūs at February 23, 2011 07:02 PM (0q2P7)
How about Us and the French Kicked Hezbollah Out of Lebanon Joe (that's the one that showed up to the debate with Sarah Palin)?
Posted by: stuiec at February 23, 2011 03:15 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 03:16 PM (cK4d/)
Jeremiah Wright, Farrkhan and Momo are all big buddies. One degree of separation, too close to home. Wouldn't be prudent.
That's why.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 23, 2011 03:16 PM (DffuX)
Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at February 23, 2011 03:16 PM (KB8P5)
wow, that sarah palin has a lot of power...
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 03:17 PM (p302b)
Ahmadinejad: Everyone should allow their people to talk
Someone's worried about their job. Never mind that he would do the same thing in this situation....
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 03:17 PM (yfJ6g)
As one unit, all of Iraq functions as an Iranian proxy-alliance now given democracy and majority rule. How's them apples.
And were the US to have occupied the Kurdish new nation while building it these past 10 years into the only realistic US ally out of Iraq's population, Christians being annihilated so they no longer "count", Turkey most assuredly would not have done some nasty stuff.
Posted by: El Presidenté at February 23, 2011 03:18 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: nickless at February 23, 2011 07:16 PM (MMC8r)
Doesn't his address on the Lesbian issue belong in the other thread?
Posted by: emily latella at February 23, 2011 03:18 PM (p302b)
I always said Barry looked like a black Don Knotts.
Posted by: nickless at February 23, 2011 03:18 PM (MMC8r)
But, that's how some dictators prefer to go. Evidence enough, IMO, that he should have suffered an arranged 'accident' long ago.
Posted by: DngrMse at February 23, 2011 03:20 PM (ML/Te)
Posted by: BarbaraS at February 23, 2011 03:21 PM (baw5A)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 23, 2011 03:21 PM (JEGFt)
Posted by: emily latella at February 23, 2011 03:21 PM (p302b)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2011 03:21 PM (TMB3S)
Little Mitchy Daniels is trying to walk back his statements from yesterday.
..whadda fuckin' weasel (all apologies to cousin Honey Badger)
The maintenance dept. at the capitol building will be working all night tonight to replace all the melted phone lines
Posted by: beedubya at February 23, 2011 03:22 PM (AnTyA)
wow, that sarah palin has a lot of power...
She posted it 21hrs ago, though I don't think he necessarily reacted because of her. SecState Clinton can't exactly be happy with him right now and I'm sure the EU is seething because they're about to be hit by high prices. So he's been/being pushed by just about everyone right now.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 03:23 PM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: emily latella at February 23, 2011 03:23 PM (p302b)
Posted by: runningrn at February 23, 2011 03:23 PM (ihSHD)
McCain / Daniels 2012: Give Obama another 4 Years!
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 03:25 PM (cK4d/)
Posted by: emily latella at February 23, 2011 03:25 PM (p302b)
Posted by: sTevo at February 23, 2011 03:26 PM (zPfoL)
Posted by: The Hostages at February 23, 2011 03:26 PM (FcR7P)
He'll regain any lost love when O brings out the pillars and columns and promises to cure the world of its ills. But it's always good to hear him feeling disappointed because Dear Leader did a lousy job.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 03:26 PM (yfJ6g)
How long did it take after the Gulf Oil Spill? Guy folds under pressure. Thank God he doesn't have a high-pressure job. /snark
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 23, 2011 03:27 PM (JEGFt)
Hillary Clinton also urged all residents of Pompeii to make every effort to get out of the path of the erupting volcano.
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 03:27 PM (cK4d/)
..whadda fuckin' weasel (all apologies to cousin Honey Badger)
The maintenance dept. at the capitol building will be working all night tonight to replace all the melted phone lines
Still? He did 5 walkbacks yesterday and he didn't mention anything about emergency issues until #3. No dice, Mitch.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 03:28 PM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: Barry, Large and In Charge at February 23, 2011 03:28 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Dr. Barry Evil at February 23, 2011 03:29 PM (JEGFt)
Posted by: emily latella at February 23, 2011 03:29 PM (p302b)
Posted by: ABCNews at February 23, 2011 03:30 PM (FcR7P)
Poker games in the oval office with cigars, expensive Arabian liquor and belly dancers. Momo, Barry, Larry, Jerry.
M-B-L-G, be sittin' in a tree
T-e-r-r-or-i-s-t
Posted by: Meremortal at February 23, 2011 03:32 PM (DffuX)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 23, 2011 03:33 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: ABC News at February 23, 2011 03:33 PM (JEGFt)
Posted by: MissTammy at February 23, 2011 03:33 PM (BebB7)
I think that's Manservant. He has a lot of those to sneak him cigarettes and chocolate.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 23, 2011 03:34 PM (JEGFt)
Posted by: runningrn at February 23, 2011 03:35 PM (ihSHD)
Posted by: NDfan at February 23, 2011 03:35 PM (V+woP)
Posted by: runningrn at February 23, 2011 03:35 PM (ihSHD)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 03:36 PM (cK4d/)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 23, 2011 03:36 PM (JEGFt)
Posted by: BDJ at February 23, 2011 03:37 PM (cUNcx)
Posted by: runningrn at February 23, 2011 03:37 PM (ihSHD)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 03:37 PM (cK4d/)
Posted by: USS Diversity at February 23, 2011 03:37 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 23, 2011 03:39 PM (SJ6/3)
As long as we don't have to see Moo-chelle in assless chaps.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 23, 2011 03:39 PM (JEGFt)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 23, 2011 03:39 PM (HswlH)
So the good doctor owns him like Siegfried owns Roy?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 23, 2011 03:40 PM (JEGFt)
Posted by: MīcÞeMūs at February 23, 2011 03:40 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 23, 2011 03:41 PM (JEGFt)
So far I have us against Canada, North Korea and maybe somewhere islandy like the Comoros.
Because those three places are the only thing I can make any sense of lately. Therefore, they must die.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 03:41 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 23, 2011 03:42 PM (JEGFt)
Who Said It In 2008?
"As far as ANWR is concerned, I don't want to drill in the Grand Canyon, and I don't want to drill in the Everglades. This is one of the most pristine and beautiful parts of the world. We need to find more sources of energy, but we also need to protect our natural resources."
a) Barack Obama
b) Hillary Clinton
c) George Bush
d) John "Popeye" McCain
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 23, 2011 03:42 PM (g73jP)
There is going to be a huge leadership vacuum and chaos in the middle east for the foreseeable future. Anybody who thinks China is not going to take this opportunity to increase their influence in this vital region is kidding themselves.
And the response? Go ahead and take it. "Catch, motherfuckers." Right now the Chinese, Russians, and everyone else on the planet is laughing at the dumb Americans who exhaust themselves to get their oil to the market.
Posted by: MlR at February 23, 2011 03:42 PM (8PvvL)
Posted by: Jean at February 23, 2011 03:42 PM (CPefM)
Posted by: USS Diversity at February 23, 2011 03:42 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: maddogg at February 23, 2011 03:43 PM (JxMqJ)
A while back, Southpark had a great episode with "Captain Hindsight". Hillary could be his Girl Wonder. She'll need to pass on the lycra outfit, however.
Posted by: runningrn at February 23, 2011 03:43 PM (ihSHD)
Posted by: robtr at February 23, 2011 03:43 PM (hVDig)
so it strengthens Russia, Venezuela and leaves fewer barrels for the rest driving up price and it weakens our EU allies such as they are
all bad IMO
Posted by: ginaswo at February 23, 2011 03:43 PM (k1f7N)
Hillary Clinton sent a diplomatic courier to Thermopylae today, warning King Leonidas of a secret path which leads to the rear of the Spartan position. No word yet of the Spartan king's response.
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 03:43 PM (cK4d/)
The Vatican.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 23, 2011 03:43 PM (JEGFt)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 07:30 PM (yfJ6g)
I am so so glad that OK is already a right-to-work state. It has precluded so many of the problems that these states are experiencing now.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 03:43 PM (hypVB)
OT: Reid tells Boehner to shove both a short-term extension and the full CR up where the sun doesn't shine
Boehner's last statement before the update: "We will move a short-term [resolution] that cuts spending, and that it's up to Senator Reid to tell Americans what -- if anything -- he's willing to cut," Boehner spokesperson Michael Steel said. "At this point, the House has done its work by passing a [spending resolution], and the Senate has done nothing."
Well, Boehner? What are you going to do now?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 03:44 PM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: Nash Rambler at February 23, 2011 03:44 PM (9IOHF)
That's Steel without the "e," right? I thought we showed Steele the door . . . or the sewer.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 23, 2011 03:46 PM (JEGFt)
I'm kinda hoping we can get the Pope on our side. Talk him into growing a beard and we've got ringer for Gandalf. That would scare the crap out of the Norks.
(Yes, I think this is how we are currently formulating our foreign policy.)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 03:46 PM (7utQ2)
I'm calling bullshit. If she's calling them, she's demanding that they not over-react to any sort of Glenn Beck racist conspiracy theories on the Japanese .
Posted by: MissTammy at February 23, 2011 03:47 PM (BebB7)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 23, 2011 03:48 PM (rQ2EG)
Posted by: Jean at February 23, 2011 07:42 PM (CPefM)
Oh my! I'd like to hit her too.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 03:48 PM (hypVB)
Well, Boehner? What are you going to do now?
They haven't thought that far ahead.
or..
"Gee, we hadn't figured on the Democrats flatly rejecting our budget cuts. Shucks, now what do we do?"
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 23, 2011 03:49 PM (UQjUb)
You pretty much just described the United Arab Emirates.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 03:49 PM (7utQ2)
Be fair, Circa. If we get a Conservative majority government up here and our Red Tory [RINOs] aren't calling the shots, we may be helping to liberate you from a third Obama term. (He can just ignore the law, can't he, because it's clearly unconstitutional to term limit him?) ;^)
Posted by: andycanuck at February 23, 2011 03:49 PM (7H/n0)
Give him a staff that lights up. I'm in!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 23, 2011 03:50 PM (JEGFt)
279 Boehner spokesperson Michael Steel said.
That's Steel without the "e," right? I thought we showed Steele the door . . . or the sewer.
Yes, completely different man.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 03:50 PM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 23, 2011 03:51 PM (JEGFt)
OT:
Oklahoma House committee approves repeal of collective bargaining rights for city government workers - Oklahoman http://bit.ly/e9J4xb
Posted by: Meremortal at February 23, 2011 03:51 PM (DffuX)
OK, ok. Just a few JDAMS on Prince Edward Island. It's not even really a province.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 03:51 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: USA at February 23, 2011 03:54 PM (YZISw)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 23, 2011 03:55 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: FUBAR at February 23, 2011 03:56 PM (McG46)
there is a solution to that problem... they mess with us we kill them, ...
Posted by: Sgt. Batguano
Not saying your proposed solution wouldn't work BUT do you think the present adminstration would enact it? And if you don't think they would, then you have to allow that the Tribal Regions Formerly Know As Libya would be very dangerous. [excerpted]
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 23, 2011 07:48 PM (rQ2EG)
Obama will be long gone before the jihadis get anything put together. I'll take the chance. Let 'em split. It will take them a long time to put anything together, and we'll be watching. Time is our friend.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 23, 2011 03:56 PM (DffuX)
Posted by: Jean at February 23, 2011 03:56 PM (CPefM)
or..
"Gee, we hadn't figured on the Democrats flatly rejecting our budget cuts. Shucks, now what do we do?"
Boehner said he wasn't going to accept anything with funding a current levels. This is not an issue involving baselines, savings, who gets to cut what, or any of that; he gave Reid two chances. Reid has not only said no, he's also said he'll introduce legislation to fund the govt for 30days and add new spending. It's time for he and Cantor to stop taunting and either shut it down or float CRs involving cuts.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 03:56 PM (yfJ6g)
India wouldn't be where it is today without the British. And China learned one helluva lot from the Brits in Hong Kong.
And we were a colony, too, so there's probably a limit to how long that good influence can last before you start electing self-loathing commie imbeciles.
CoughNelsonMandelacough
Posted by: Barack Badger at February 23, 2011 03:56 PM (lH6z9)
Oklahoma House committee approves repeal of collective bargaining rights for city government workers - Oklahoman http://bit.ly/e9J4xb
It's really nice to have a repub governor and repub majorities in both houses too.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 03:57 PM (hypVB)
Boehner said he wasn't going to accept anything with funding a current levels. This is not an issue involving baselines, savings, who gets to cut what, or any of that; he gave Reid two chances. Reid has not only said no, he's also said he'll introduce legislation to fund the govt for 30days and add new spending. It's time for he and Cantor to stop taunting and either shut it down or float CRs involving cuts.
Right now a government shutdown would be a blessing.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 03:59 PM (hypVB)
The problem is some of those regions will have oil, and some won't. They'll all be too small to defend themselves from oil-hungry foreigners (like the Egyptians, for instance).
If Libya splits into seven statelets we'll be revisiting the situation every six or seven years. "Why are these people always at war?". It'll be Somalia with oil.
Posted by: Ace's liver at February 23, 2011 04:00 PM (XIXhw)
Election Day 2012 can't come soon enough.
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 04:01 PM (lAeU1)
Knowing the GOP, they're probably scrambling to put together a coherent oil sound bite for the next election. And most of them will still screw it up with passes at 'alternuhtive enurgee' or 'greenhowz eemisshunz.'
Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 23, 2011 04:02 PM (S59+B)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 04:02 PM (cK4d/)
1963: You might want reconsider the convertable top Jack.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 23, 2011 04:03 PM (yQWNf)
Middle East is one giant.
Mallomar Qadaffi has a bitchin' coordinated hat, umbrella and pickup truck set.
Democrats run away.
Union thugs hit girls.
Massachusetts congressional types incite violence and keep ears as souvenirs (I may be mixing that up a little).
Advocating for the policies of Franklin Delano Roosevelt--four-term Democrat President makes one JUST LIKE HITLERtm.
Bad bank loans....still there, but enjoying the buffet at Sizzler.
Jay Leno is still not funny.
The federal government has not had an actual budget since the Franklin Pierce administration, but we still will somehow borrow the gross domestic product of Italy this year anyway.
The President of the United States enjoys pretending to coach girls basketball.
And the Cubs will not win the World Series.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 04:03 PM (7utQ2)
hillary did one of these too
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 04:04 PM (p302b)
Or perhaps I meant one giant tire fire.
Talk amongst yourselves.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 04:05 PM (7utQ2)
Middle East is one giant. Posted by: Circa
"Giant what?"
"Forget it, he's on a roll."
Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 23, 2011 04:05 PM (S59+B)
Right now a government shutdown would be a blessing.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 07:59 PM (hypVB)
Remember when the government was shut down in 95 and the MFM said the republicans lost that argument?
Let's review what we lost, after the government was shut down Clinton immediately changed his tune and started helping to balance the budget. That continued until he left office. He did win re election but we ran Bob V. Dole and Perot was still siphoning votes. Clinton didn't break 50% in the election.
If that's losing I am all for it.
Posted by: robtr at February 23, 2011 04:05 PM (hVDig)
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 04:05 PM (p302b)
Lots and lots of Mexicans heading your way.
Love,
Hill
I'm going to hell for laughing at that, aren't I?
Posted by: Retread at February 23, 2011 04:07 PM (okCHU)
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 08:01 PM (lAeU1)
The only thing that's going to hold this nation together until 2012 is a handfull of conservative governors. If they fail, I'm afraid 2012 will be too late. The bus is at the edge of the cliff now.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2011 04:07 PM (hypVB)
O/T
You are driving along a narrow two lane road with a NO PASSING sign posted, with double lines, and come upon a bicycle rider. Do you follow this slow-moving bicycle rider for the next 21 miles, or do you break the law and pass? Which is the correct choice?
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 23, 2011 04:07 PM (ZHsNw)
Hah!
Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 23, 2011 04:08 PM (S59+B)
Yes
Posted by: Northwesterner at February 23, 2011 04:08 PM (/Ft4q)
Just tuning in. Thanks for the nutshell.
Posted by: fluffy at February 23, 2011 04:09 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Arbalest at February 23, 2011 04:10 PM (jpLPD)
Sorry, I need to know if I am driving the General Lee, because if so, I can just fly over the bicycle. As well as any hayseed law enforcement types that may be nearby plotting to GIT me.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 04:10 PM (7utQ2)
You are driving along a narrow two lane road with a NO PASSING sign posted, with double lines, and come upon a bicycle rider. Do you follow this slow-moving bicycle rider for the next 21 miles, or do you break the law and pass? Which is the correct choice?
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 23, 2011 08:07 PM (ZHsNw)
RON PAUL!
Posted by: Ron Paul at February 23, 2011 04:11 PM (yQWNf)
the bicycle rider acknowledges that you are there and slows down and moves as far to the shoulder as possible so you can safely pass them and remain in your lane, thus not breaking the law.
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 04:11 PM (p302b)
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 04:11 PM (wZoXd)
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 23, 2011 04:12 PM (xMT+4)
I want to see Cantor go all AND JUSTICE FOR ALL on Reid's droopy old ass.
"I'm out of order? YOU'RE out of order! This whole court is out of order!"
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 23, 2011 04:13 PM (UQjUb)
... but you'll be lucky to go more than 1 mile without a collision following THAT cyclist ...
Bunk ... Bunk ... Bunk ... Bunk ...
Posted by: Arbalest at February 23, 2011 04:13 PM (jpLPD)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 23, 2011 04:14 PM (yfJ6g)
the bicycle rider acknowledges that you are there and slows down and moves as far to the shoulder as possible so you can safely pass them and remain in your lane, thus not breaking the law.
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 08:11 PM (p302b)
I prefer she continue her blocking move so I will not break the law.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 23, 2011 04:14 PM (ZHsNw)
I A-Team convert my car with a hydraulic bicycle pick-up arm and flamethrower.
Using full montage and music, of course.
Also shoot 4,000 rounds from a chrome Mini-14 and never hit anything.
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 04:16 PM (cK4d/)
I mean are you Fish from Florida?
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 23, 2011 08:14 PM (UQjUb)
Juno Beach, Florida with Allen West representing in Congress. Oh yea!
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 23, 2011 04:17 PM (ZHsNw)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 23, 2011 07:55 PM (SJ6/3)
Whoa, sorry about that. I didn't go there, just pulled it off the Breaking Tweets.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 23, 2011 04:18 PM (DffuX)
What do you expect, a beer summit between Milhouse and Qaddafi?
Posted by: NarcoSuperHero at February 23, 2011 04:18 PM (pJjbR)
I remember one of our first encounters, Fish.
A couple of years we were pissed off at Congress and I suggested we all send a piece of fish to a Congressman. Okay, not one of my netter ideas, but anyway...
you said, "What are you saying, man?!?"
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 23, 2011 04:19 PM (g73jP)
You are driving along a narrow two lane road with a NO PASSING sign posted, with double lines, and come upon a bicycle rider. Do you follow this slow-moving bicycle rider for the next 21 miles, or do you break the law and pass? Which is the correct choice?
Is this a trick question?
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 04:20 PM (In1re)
Good times here at the Moron Coral meeting and greeting like minded patriots, excepting Palin Steele, Christoph, etc.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 23, 2011 04:21 PM (ZHsNw)
My my, a republican circle jerk.
First you whine that the president is silent, then you whine that he spoke up. Amazing!!
I guess listening to Glen Beck did destroy all of your brain cells.
Posted by: Ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 04:22 PM (pYurd)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 04:23 PM (cK4d/)
Posted by: jcjimi at February 23, 2011 04:23 PM (ay6+/)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 04:23 PM (cK4d/)
Posted by: Henry James at February 23, 2011 04:24 PM (zVOB7)
Is this a trick question?
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 08:20 PM (In1re)
Actually, I was concerned about her safety, and would be forced to ride the 21 miles behind her protecting her ASS-ETS.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 23, 2011 04:24 PM (ZHsNw)
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 04:24 PM (In1re)
Oh my, oil's going up, oil's going up, buy gold, buy gold!!!!
You rethugs suck. Do you realize big oil is run by your party?
Posted by: Ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 04:25 PM (pYurd)
Posted by: Ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 08:22 PM (pYurd)
Ha Ha your crowd's time is coming, piece of shit.
Posted by: USS Diversity at February 23, 2011 04:25 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 04:26 PM (cK4d/)
Posted by: Northwesterner at February 23, 2011 04:26 PM (/Ft4q)
Now you've done it.
We're about to be subjected to a two-hour rant about how he never drinks, but it was fine for Dean Martin to do so and how come you kids never participate in the People's Committees with all the money he spent on those Nerf basketball goals after the time the Israelis tired to kill him with a sea urchin, but he escaped through a window into Sadat's Mediterranean bungalow and he had this fantastic orange shag carpet all the way up the walls and the joints of those walls were so tight that they are good analogy for how Libya sticks together under his leadership and no, the Serbian thugs behind him did not just shoot that guy it's a CIA trick using CGI technology that the Jews stole out of his Benghazi house that you ingrateful pricks burned Monday.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 04:26 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 04:27 PM (In1re)
Ihaterethugs, here's a clue. He came out today, but he STILL DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. Even Chris Matthews trashed his statement!
Now go back to your spider hole in the basement.
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 23, 2011 04:28 PM (Fo83G)
*yells at troll, just to get things interesting*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 23, 2011 04:29 PM (UOM48)
Yea, sometimes I hate you republicans too, but then I leave the liberal fart cloud and kiss and make up. Smoochie smooch!
Posted by: Bob Beckel, Democrat Strategist at February 23, 2011 04:29 PM (ZHsNw)
Oh my, oil's going up, oil's going up, buy gold, buy gold!!!!
You rethugs suck. Do you realize big oil is run by your party?
*yawn* /Ahem, do you know who BP has invested in? His first name starts with a B and end with "arack".
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 23, 2011 04:29 PM (HswlH)
So why did we not evacuate the US Embassy when the shit hit the fan? Obama may be facing dead US citizens or hostages. So, will he blame Bush, Cheney, Boehnor, Reagan for his Fuck up? What about Hilderbeast WTF is she doing? We would be better off with the Three Stoogies running the US Government !!!
Posted by: Frank Gordan at February 23, 2011 04:29 PM (zVOB7)
Posted by: Northwesterner at February 23, 2011 04:29 PM (/Ft4q)
"The only people remaining on streets of Tripoli are police, soldiers and mercenaries, a resident tells BBC Arabic
"Israeli PM Netanyahu authorizes entry of 300 Palestinians from Libya to Palestinian Authority - YnetNews "
via twitter breaking news, link on drudge
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 04:29 PM (p302b)
Don't tell GE. They think they have an exclusive.
Posted by: fluffy at February 23, 2011 04:30 PM (SwkdU)
this troll is stupid
The Republican party doesn't run big oil.
Big Oil runs the Republican party.
Get your shit straight, dummy.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 23, 2011 04:31 PM (UQjUb)
My my, a republican circle jerk.
First you whine that the president is silent, then you whine that he spoke up. Amazing!!
I guess listening to Glen Beck did destroy all of your brain cells.
Posted by: Ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 08:22 PM (pYurd)
Paging Ihaterethugs on the white courtesy phone......Need you to get a message to your friend Jon Stewart. My attorney, Allah Fuckbar will be in touch, regarding my injuries in Madison.
Posted by: the camel at February 23, 2011 04:31 PM (UOM48)
We're currently constructing a graven image of Beck (in gold, of course). Also, when we your guy puts together three coherent policy thoughts in a row, please let us know. We'd like to capture the moment for posterity. Or put it on a plaque for Chuck Heston to find after the monkeys take over next year.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 04:31 PM (7utQ2)
BP is an English company, they can't buy shit. Try Shell and the other big companies, you shitbags are all owned like slaves.
I pity you!!
Posted by: Ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 04:31 PM (pYurd)
It's just terrified because Big Union that runs his party is about to be decimated and drained dry.
Posted by: MissTammy at February 23, 2011 04:32 PM (BebB7)
This entire Libya thing is the result of the Halliburton/Cheney cabal creating hate and discontent among the peaceful people of the middle east.
Posted by: Liberal Buffoon at February 23, 2011 04:32 PM (ZHsNw)
Let me ID a few clues that might have set you straight...
"Supposedly"...see, that shows doubt, a lack of faith in the information and/or the person who originally said it.
Here's the big clue I didn't believe it...
"NOT SURE HOW MUCH I BELIEVE THAT". (I made it bigger since you seemed to miss it the first time). See, that sentence there is almost, not totally but almost, the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you seem to think it means.
Hope that helps.
Posted by: DrewM. at February 23, 2011 04:47 PM (HicGG)
Drew, try some Midol--and maybe being less hyper-defensive. Mountain, molehill, etc
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 23, 2011 04:34 PM (UqKQV)
Posted by: JASmius at February 23, 2011 04:34 PM (LMHcg)
Posted by: Northwesterner at February 23, 2011 04:34 PM (/Ft4q)
Hmmm. What time are you due at the methadone clinic for middle school losers?
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 04:34 PM (cK4d/)
It doesn't understand that Shell is Dutch.
Posted by: MissTammy at February 23, 2011 04:35 PM (BebB7)
Givens:
1. Republicans run big oil.
2. Democratic administration imposes deepwater drilling moratorium.
Prove:
1. Prices decline if cosine is greater that square root of the gap distance in Joe Biden's plugs.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 04:36 PM (7utQ2)
Factoid for trolls:
The majority of oil exported from Africa comes from Zamunda, and King Jaffe Joffer is a great friend of the United States.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 23, 2011 04:37 PM (ZHsNw)
Yep. Liz and cousin Bea own all that North Sea Crude and 30%+ of the rest
Posted by: El Presidenté at February 23, 2011 04:38 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 04:39 PM (cK4d/)
The Israeli/Palestinian question is clearly to blame for centuries of tribal strife in Libya. The Jews, they are crafty.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 04:39 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 23, 2011 04:39 PM (6yyVB)
You Southerners are so polite.
Posted by: fluffy at February 23, 2011 08:39 PM (SwkdU)
Bless our hearts.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 23, 2011 04:40 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: unknown jane at February 23, 2011 04:40 PM (5/yRG)
April 1865: Our American Cousin? Really Abe? Isn't there any better play to go see?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 23, 2011 04:40 PM (yQWNf)
You ever been to a movie that was bad...and it seemed that it would never end but it just all the sudden did and you went.. What!? I sat through the entire thing for this!
Posted by: El Presidenté at February 23, 2011 04:41 PM (H+LJc)
FIFY
Posted by: MissTammy at February 23, 2011 04:41 PM (BebB7)
Posted by: USA at February 23, 2011 04:41 PM (YZISw)
while we're proving to internet trolls we're not bigots, Obama's illegal Aunt Zetuni is fleecing the taxpayers.
Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 23, 2011 04:41 PM (UQjUb)
Posted by: Freddie Mercury at February 23, 2011 04:42 PM (tvs2p)
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 04:42 PM (In1re)
(Yes, I think this is how we are currently formulating our foreign policy.)
Um... I'm pretty sure you're over-estimating Mrs. Clinton and her merry gang.
And, in the same stance, underestimating J.R.R. Tolkien.
Posted by: shibumi at February 23, 2011 04:42 PM (OKZrE)
Libtard bunghole not tasty. Other than that, I don't give a shit. Or a fuck.
Posted by: Honey Badger at February 23, 2011 04:43 PM (UOM48)
Aunt Zetuni just lies there.
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 08:42 PM (cK4d/)
Is auntie into head?
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 23, 2011 04:44 PM (ZHsNw)
It rubs the lotion on the skin and gets back under the fucking stairs.
Posted by: Jame Gumb at February 23, 2011 04:45 PM (SwkdU)
Mike Huckabee, Fox News Channel program host and potential Republican presidential candidate, says fellow conservatives have “unfairly” criticized first lady Michelle Obama for her anti-obesity program, acting out of political reflex “rather than out of a thoughtful expression.”
At a Monitor-sponsored meeting with reporters in Washington on Wednesday, the former Arkansas governor said Mrs. Obama’s anti-obesity campaign, called Let’s Move, attracted conservatives’ scorn in part “because she is the one presenting it. And that is why I have been defensive of her.”
This gasbag really needs to STFU.
Posted by: Steph at February 23, 2011 04:45 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 04:45 PM (cK4d/)
You might reconsider after she take out her teeth.
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 04:46 PM (In1re)
I'll take sentences that sound like the D-Day message to French underground for $1,200, Alex.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 04:47 PM (7utQ2)
Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!
That's the sound of Huckabee pounding nails into his presidential coffin.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 23, 2011 04:47 PM (ZHsNw)
Okay, which one of you M&Ms shoved a Honey Badger up Ihaterethugs' butthole sideways?
Shoving not necessary. Said orifice has been made large enough by years of accommodating union thugs and enviro weenies to allow Honey Badger to walk right in, and consume everything in his path, including the brain.
Posted by: MissTammy at February 23, 2011 04:47 PM (BebB7)
It doesn't understand that Shell is Dutch.
And here I thought that the Clampetts owned Shell. You learn something new every day.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 23, 2011 04:47 PM (yf5H9)
Posted by: Joe Biden at February 23, 2011 04:48 PM (HF2C9)
Huckabee continues to take brave positions on the important issues of the day like....ummmm.....Michelle Obama's public image and how much he knows about personal fitness.
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 04:50 PM (VoSja)
The Clampetts owned OK Oil Company. And yes, I just frightened myself.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 04:50 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: steevy at February 23, 2011 04:51 PM (HF2C9)
Posted by: Joe Biden at February 23, 2011 08:48 PM (HF2C9)
Where the hell has Slow Joe been lately? Please don't tell me he's been air-dropped into Libya.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 23, 2011 04:51 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: cvb at February 23, 2011 08:49 PM (Elo4W)
Forgot? Hell, he is all balled up on the Presibed pissing himself.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 23, 2011 04:52 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 04:54 PM (VoSja)
My people used to own Anadarko Petroleum, but the white devils came along and stole our land, our oil, and our only beautiful woman, Halle Berry .
Posted by: Ward Churchill, U of Colorado Professor at February 23, 2011 04:54 PM (ZHsNw)
We don't, as long as the part that has the oil is controlled by the tribe called: ExxonMobil and defended by the mythical warriors of Xe.
Posted by: Jean at February 23, 2011 04:55 PM (CPefM)
This is after him claiming he invented hunting--after seeing Palin doing that on TV.
No one can out-do the Huck. And now he'll put all the weight back on to prove it.
Posted by: rdbrewer at February 23, 2011 04:56 PM (HvxI9)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 23, 2011 04:56 PM (6yyVB)
I'm thinking about making a website that is a "Where Are They Now?" of all the people Huckabee pardoned as governor.
I'm sure the Nobel Prize Winners and Rhodes Scholars will balance out the police shootings and rapes.
Thoughts?
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 04:57 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: Huckabee at February 23, 2011 04:57 PM (HvxI9)
Rest easy.
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 04:57 PM (cK4d/)
Joe Franco, a former Hoffa lieutenant, described the security technique Hoffa taught his officers: "To this day, I still have the habit he drilled into me about getting into a car. I put my right leg in and my left leg stays out, and then I start my car. If the car is rigged and you start your car that way, you have a 50-50 chance of surviving because if it blows up, it will blow you out of the car."
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 23, 2011 04:59 PM (Fo83G)
Coincidence?
I think the RINOs must have got marching orders.
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 04:59 PM (cK4d/)
His, "highest priority" yet, Obama was in I believe Ohio yesterday "having fun" in break out sessions with business folks. Brainstorming about our economy. Meanwhile the banking system is in a state of collapse, we have U6 real unemployment of 22 percent, a 14T debt, a 2012 fiscal budget with a 1T deficit, 100 T in unfunded liabilities and a currency that is tanking with a fed who is engaged in QE 2 purchasing nearly 1T of T bills from banks with fake money, with an IMF and world stage poised to replace the dollar as the reserve currency.
With the middle east stoked for a complete meltdown in addition to Obama injecting inflammatory rhetoric with domestic unions who are acting now in violence.
Yeah, things are working out fine.
Posted by: Journolist at February 23, 2011 04:59 PM (iHfo1)
Tripoli... shit; I'm still only in Tripoli... Every time I think I'm gonna wake up back in the desert.
Posted by: Sherrif Joe at February 23, 2011 05:00 PM (nIoiW)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 05:00 PM (7utQ2)
Union protesters have really showed their asses today. First, a thug beats up on Tabitha Hale, then they catch another one screaming, "You're a bad Jew! Bad Jew!"
I'm about to overdose on popcorn.
Posted by: Steph at February 23, 2011 05:01 PM (AkdC5)
That's "The Tech Belt" to you, hater.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 05:01 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 09:00 PM (7utQ2)
Beetlejuice.... Beetlejuice.... Beetlejuice!
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 23, 2011 05:02 PM (yQWNf)
I am so sorry I am such a shitty precendent. I love Marx, Che, and Mohammed and I think about how I can help my union masters while lying to you. Please love me long time so I will not have the burden of loving myself, by myself.
Gotta run, got some poo flickin' to do as it's 9:02.
Posted by: Barry Insane at February 23, 2011 05:02 PM (6yyVB)
I'm too damn tired to give a shit about these crappy third worlds toliets. Let them break up and kill each other instead of us. For the most part they can't even wipe their own asses properly.
Solution: Drill for oil and natural gas at home. What a fucking novel concept!
Posted by: mpfs at February 23, 2011 05:02 PM (iqMB8)
452 Bwahahahahahaah.... unhhh..... Bwahahahahahaah
Posted by: El Presidenté at February 23, 2011 05:03 PM (H+LJc)
That will not work.
Posted by: The Eco-tard Democrats at February 23, 2011 05:04 PM (OKZrE)
Folks. laminate your copies of the constitution. It may eventually be deemed, 'subversive' by this administration. After all, it speaks of a creator and inalienable rights conferred by a creator. You may also want to laminate the declaration of independence and your bibles too.
Hyerbolic? Perhaps but did you ever think we'd have a socialist in the WH who is OK with partial birth abortions and leaving out references to God when reciting our founding documents?
Posted by: Journolist at February 23, 2011 05:04 PM (iHfo1)
Posted by: Barack Obama at February 23, 2011 05:05 PM (6QOyl)
#463
...did you ever think we'd have a socialist in the WH who is OK with partial birth abortions and leaving out references to God when reciting our founding documents?
We've had plenty; he is just the first to be open about it.
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 05:06 PM (VoSja)
And for those who want to nit pick, the constitution was forerunned by the declaration and was built upon inferred rights emanating from the Creator.
There.
Posted by: Journolist at February 23, 2011 05:06 PM (iHfo1)
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 05:08 PM (VoSja)
NPR having fun doing a little happy-face story about some pizza outfit in Madison doing lots of deliveries to the union supporters camped out there, and how others, supporters all, from far afield, wanting to know how they can get some of the same pizza.
Just a comfy little radio story, a vignette, to make everyone feel good about this "sit-in."
Tea party gathering = violent racist scum.
Union thugs gathering = boy scout jamboree
Can't we pull the plug on NPR?
Posted by: I-wuz-too-hip-now-I'm-just-cynical at February 23, 2011 05:08 PM (4sQwu)
Journalist: Hey, man, you don't talk to the Colonel. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "Do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm... no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man! I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...
Posted by: Sherriff Joe at February 23, 2011 05:08 PM (nIoiW)
Posted by: Journolist at February 23, 2011 05:10 PM (iHfo1)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 05:11 PM (cK4d/)
Posted by: USS Diversity at February 23, 2011 05:12 PM (DLxD/)
The Clampetts owned OK Oil Company. And yes, I just frightened myself.
You should be scared.
I'll take Jethro for 30 minutes, Alex.
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 05:13 PM (In1re)
Posted by: Journolist at February 23, 2011 09:10 PM (iHfo1)
Yo yo yo hey slick. Could you pick me up a carton of Kools and a nice twist top wine please.
Posted by: B+rry ODumbass at February 23, 2011 05:14 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: Ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 08:22 PM (pYurd)
Hey cocksucker, there's that little thing called supply that your favorite scumbag in chief seems to want to deprive those oil companies of, so his foreign buddies like Soros can cash in on and fuck over the American people also.
It's called economics asshole.......
Posted by: crowsting at February 23, 2011 05:15 PM (1DPxx)
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 05:17 PM (In1re)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 05:17 PM (cK4d/)
Joe Franco, a former Hoffa lieutenant, described the security technique Hoffa taught his officers: "To this day, I still have the habit he drilled into me about getting into a car. I put my right leg in and my left leg stays out, and then I start my car. If the car is rigged and you start your car that way, you have a 50-50 chance of surviving because if it blows up, it will blow you out of the car."
Lovely. Reminds me of the stories my mom has told of growing up in a union household in the 50s and 60s.
My personal favorite is the one about the guy up the street whose house was bombed because his brother testified against Jimmy Hoffa and the Teamsters thought he might be hiding out there.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 23, 2011 05:18 PM (b8JnP)
Posted by: TOTUS at February 23, 2011 05:18 PM (jGXQI)
My my, a republican circle jerk.
Lemme guess...you're jealous because you didn't get invited to be pivot man...
Posted by: antisocialist at February 23, 2011 05:18 PM (Rwudm)
Posted by: Joe "Injun Accent" Biden at February 23, 2011 05:19 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Jean at February 23, 2011 05:21 PM (CPefM)
Posted by: Paper at February 23, 2011 09:08 PM (VoSja)
FIFY
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 05:22 PM (wZoXd)
Posted by: Leatherneck at February 23, 2011 05:22 PM (hVt9h)
Possibly because it's hard enough to keep track of one crazy-ass fuckin' dictator, let alone seven of 'em...
Posted by: antisocialist at February 23, 2011 05:23 PM (Rwudm)
Posted by: jewells45 at February 23, 2011 05:23 PM (Z71Vg)
BP is an English company, they can't buy shit. Try Shell and the other big companies, you shitbags are all owned like slaves.
I pity you!!
Posted by: Ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 08:31 PM (pYurd)
--Bwahaha! Dumbass troll asserts (falsely) that BP has no influence as a British company, then cites a Dutch oil company!
Begone lame troll.
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 05:25 PM (lAeU1)
Posted by: Jean at February 23, 2011 05:26 PM (CPefM)
August 2, 1964, Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
January 27, 1973, Paris Peace Accords signed, 8 years and 7 months later.
October 7, 2001, Invasion of Afghanistan
February 23, 2011, 9
years, 4 months and no end in sight.
Just saying ...
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at February 23, 2011 05:26 PM (ZTn9N)
Posted by: momma at February 23, 2011 05:29 PM (penCf)
Posted by: steevy at February 23, 2011 09:29 PM (HF2C9)
I missed it steevy. Could you retype it?
Posted by: Tami at February 23, 2011 05:31 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: steevy at February 23, 2011 05:31 PM (HF2C9)
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 05:31 PM (wZoXd)
GET AWAY FROM MY TRUCK!!! You smudged it, it's just like that MacArthur's Park song that was popular during the second year of our glorious revolution which is record for shortest convergence between decadent infidel American music and Islamic paradise revolutions--top that, Assad! I would kill for some good cheese, you just can't get it any more and I think that all my hats are too tight and it's screwing with my sense of taste so I'm going to replace all of them with these loose-fitting burlap feed sacks that I found at a flea market in Tobruk last Tuesday before all the coke-headed teenagers started whining about the batteries on their iPods dying and how come we didn't buy the maintenance guarantee at Best Buy, well it's all just a scam to fund this conspiracy in favor of sea salt and it makes my skin breakout and then my bodyguards look at me funny which was the problem with King Idris, he looked at everybody funny and so I told him to just get his stuff and leave, but not to touch my blue suede shoes, tent and apple sauce dish that Reagan broke in 1986 in addition to my daughter before I could even have her circumcised which is a glorious reminder of proud tribal heritage.....HEY, DO YOU WANT TO BE SOMALIA, HUH? CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME A GLASS OF SAN PELLIGRINO? The bubbles set off the beads on the side of my colonel insignias that are designed to match the look in Saddam's eyes when they pulled him out of that spider-hole and that's not going to happen to me because I will personally pull the molars from my enemies mouths unless they have already lost them which is the style in Palestine where everyone is happy that I send them care packages of Bath and Body Works products, but not the vanilla-scented stuff...I eat that on my pancakes.
Posted by: Your Pal Moammar at February 23, 2011 05:31 PM (7utQ2)
You have to see this billboard
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 09:19 PM (In1re)
--There was a whole thread about it some time last year. It was certified to be legit, not a Photoshop.
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 05:33 PM (lAeU1)
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 05:34 PM (p302b)
You Obama haters are still here crying?
Go figure, none of you have jobs. Might be why you hate the unions so much.
Posted by: Ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 05:35 PM (pYurd)
Oooh, that one's going to leave a mark.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 23, 2011 05:35 PM (b8JnP)
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 09:34 PM (p302b)
Ouch!
Posted by: Tami at February 23, 2011 05:36 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: steevy at February 23, 2011 05:36 PM (HF2C9)
Sources say that because Obama was largely paying her own way, she insisted on the final say.
Uh huh. Right. "Largely."
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 05:37 PM (lAeU1)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 05:38 PM (cK4d/)
Posted by: Syracuse1989 at February 23, 2011 05:38 PM (Q6ZUl)
Read this: (from New Zeal)
Notes From a Disaster Zone
Posted by: momma at February 23, 2011 05:38 PM (penCf)
You Obama haters are still here crying?
Go figure, none of you have jobs. Might be why you hate the unions so much.
Posted by: Ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 09:35 PM (pYurd)
--Just because you have to man the chicken fryer on the evening shift doesn't mean we have to.
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 05:38 PM (lAeU1)
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 09:37 PM (lAeU1)
Seems like the appropriate word to use.
Posted by: Tami at February 23, 2011 05:38 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: nevergiveup at February 23, 2011 05:39 PM (7wmOW)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at February 23, 2011 05:39 PM (EiH7n)
sock puppet OFF
sorry, needed vengence for falling for one bad a few weeks ago
but i'm still a democrat so please, continue the beating
and before you clowns start....Da Bears were robbed!!!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 23, 2011 05:39 PM (pYurd)
You Obama haters are still here crying?
Go figure, none of you have jobs. Might be why you hate the unions so much.
Oh, we have jobs, child; real jobs, with computers and internet access and everything....not workin' the fry machine like you.
Posted by: MissTammy at February 23, 2011 05:39 PM (BebB7)
Lazy bastard! Picking peanuts out of poop is a 24 hour gig.
Posted by: eyeh8tugs at February 23, 2011 05:39 PM (SwkdU)
Please tell me what to do wise one.
In the meantime, I'll be over here hating unions so much.
Posted by: Your Pal Moammar at February 23, 2011 05:39 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: steevy at February 23, 2011 05:41 PM (HF2C9)
You Obama haters are still here crying?
Go figure, none of you have jobs. Might be why you hate the unions so much.
Posted by: Ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 09:35 PM (pYurd)
You still cleaning toilets with your tounge paying those sweet union dues to your masters?
Posted by: robtr at February 23, 2011 05:41 PM (hVDig)
I liked this:
Vice President Joe Biden spent the Presidents Day weekend in the Florida Keys.
...
The first lady's stop in Vail created quite a buzz around town.
One savvy commenter asked if this was a bi-partisan vacation, since Aspen usually gets the Democrats and Vail gets the Republicans.
A few wished them well, while many asked how much all this was costing America's taxpayers.
Posted by: momma at February 23, 2011 05:41 PM (penCf)
Ever notice how anything the Brits engineer falls apart after a while?
Cars, motorcycles, boats, guns...toady countries.... the list is long
Posted by: [cleaned up] at February 23, 2011 05:43 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Jake_in_Idaho at February 23, 2011 05:43 PM (BLb4+)
Posted by: sifty at February 23, 2011 05:43 PM (cK4d/)
and before you clowns start....Da Bears were robbed!!!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 23, 2011 09:39 PM (pYurd)
Honey Badger don't give a shit
Posted by: robtr at February 23, 2011 05:43 PM (hVDig)
Especially when you factor in eating all the peanuts afterward, but it's my favorite part of the job.
Posted by: ihaterethugs at February 23, 2011 05:43 PM (BebB7)
sock puppet OFF
sorry, needed vengence for falling for one bad a few weeks ago
but i'm still a democrat so please, continue the beating
and before you clowns start....Da Bears were robbed!!!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 23, 2011 09:39 PM (pYurd)
--You ass!
Oh, and they were robbed when they traded for Jay Cutler, if that's what you mean.
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 05:43 PM (wZoXd)
Posted by: M. Points at February 23, 2011 05:45 PM (VOG7N)
553 Oh, and they were robbed when they traded for Jay Cutler, if that's what you mean.
yep, and when they got that idiot lovie
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 23, 2011 05:45 PM (pYurd)
Posted by: momma at February 23, 2011 09:41 PM (penCf)
--Hey everyone;s gotta sacrifice! Maybe Michelle originally wanted to go to Tahiti, so I guess she's doing her part, right?
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 05:45 PM (wZoXd)
No doubt they will have the babes.
A fucking sink hole which we could erase in 20 minutes.
Balls? No one has them anymore.
Posted by: Kemp at February 23, 2011 05:45 PM (JpFM9)
557 all that or my choice of sport teams just sucks
denial, a river that flows through chicago....
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 23, 2011 05:46 PM (pYurd)
Yeah, we have too many.
In other news, we have a serious apostrophe gap in this country and I will not stand for it any longer. Someone get Mike Huckabee on the phone.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 05:46 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: USS Diversity at February 23, 2011 05:46 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 23, 2011 05:46 PM (CSizx)
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 23, 2011 09:39 PM (pTurd)
I'm glad when I picture you I see the long haired pollywog pic you posted.
Scheming Hippy!
Posted by: KZnextzone at February 23, 2011 05:46 PM (ZUWaD)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at February 23, 2011 05:47 PM (UExmo)
Sure he does but he does get 2 fifteen minutes breaks.
Posted by: dogfish at February 23, 2011 05:47 PM (N2yhW)
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 05:48 PM (In1re)
Yes, Verc. But that's what makes you special.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 23, 2011 05:48 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at February 23, 2011 05:49 PM (EiH7n)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 23, 2011 05:50 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: President Hussein at February 23, 2011 05:50 PM (1fB+3)
If only Obama's father had used them.
Posted by: Y-not at February 23, 2011 05:51 PM (pW2o8)
George Washington had four
I am thinking he is dead, but since I went to public schools I not be being sure, did he march with Martin Luther King? or is he the one next to Obama on that rock out west?
Posted by: Kemp at February 23, 2011 05:51 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 05:52 PM (wZoXd)
Precedent B+ Hussein: "Like human beings? $100/year ought to do you. I recommend it for my own family. Those cardboard boxes are really nice, this time of year."
Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 23, 2011 05:52 PM (N49h9)
Posted by: Y-not at February 23, 2011 05:53 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2011 05:53 PM (In1re)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at February 23, 2011 05:54 PM (EiH7n)
Also, when are we going to declare Arhooley Day? I'm picturing parades, clowns (hobos, natch), and fireworks.
Posted by: Y-not at February 23, 2011 05:54 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at February 23, 2011 06:00 PM (EiH7n)
I already did this and got nothing but prank calls from some old lady in Kansas asking if I still had the olive green refrigerator and stove for sale and I haven;t sold anything to anyone since I conned Chavez into giving me three thousand bucks for a set of Mason jars that were left over from the move into that smaller tent that I meditate in five times a day for an hour or so after prayers, but the new mullah is such a bore that I picked up the Quran audio book read by Ruth Buzzi after I realized that a set of Bose headphones would look great on me if I wrapped them in aluminum foil and wore them across my neck and not on top of my head, it's the kind of style that we need to encourage more in our older population who are less interested in burning things and more interested in Spirograph designs from the early days of the Revolution and no one holds the Israelis accountable for their horrific embargo of the little blue pins that hold the Spirograph plastic things in place and securing the Spirograph plastic things in place is just the kind of guidance that I have given Libya, the African Union, the United Nations Human Rights Commission and the website designers for that one guy who's in all those Franch movies, no the other guy, no you know the guy I'm talking about, yes HIM. DEATH TO ISRAEL. AND CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THAT VENT, MY SINUSES ARE BEGINNING TO THROB.
Posted by: Your Pal Moammar at February 23, 2011 06:03 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Frank Gordan at February 23, 2011 06:03 PM (zVOB7)
Posted by: Jammie Glandon at February 23, 2011 06:04 PM (zVOB7)
Damn, where's an open thread when you need one!?
Go to PowerLine and read about the political protection racket the Center for American Progress is running. Jesse J. done learnt them well! Pisses me off that WalMart seems to be playing along in this case - just bought a mighty fine laptop from them, at a great price.
How can I quickly check on contributions from a legitimate business to a racketeering outfit like CFAP? I hate to punish a good enterprise, but dammit, they are enabling corruption of the political system of my country, and if they haven't got the nads to fight it, they are no friends of mine!
Posted by: sherlock at February 23, 2011 06:05 PM (thr9V)
Posted by: xrgt at February 23, 2011 09:52 PM (HafxF)
--Shhh, I missed it last night. No spoilers!
Posted by: logprof at February 23, 2011 06:08 PM (lAeU1)
8:22 pm Eastern
aaron klein's on wabc radio and a frequent contributor to the John Batchelor program
Posted by: curious at February 23, 2011 06:12 PM (p302b)
Posted by: cheshirecat at February 23, 2011 06:25 PM (falUA)
Posted by: cheshirecat at February 23, 2011 06:34 PM (falUA)
Posted by: cheshirecat at February 23, 2011 06:35 PM (falUA)
Posted by: cheshirecat at February 23, 2011 06:38 PM (falUA)
Posted by: B+rry Ob+owmao at February 23, 2011 06:40 PM (c9iUg)
Posted by: cheshirecat at February 23, 2011 06:43 PM (falUA)
Posted by: DW Pepper at February 23, 2011 07:09 PM (LYD6R)
Yes.
One rabidly anti-Israel nation with a vote in the UN security council will become six rabidly anti-Israel nation with a vote in the UN security council.
Posted by: Scott at February 23, 2011 07:29 PM (ACWui)
He may just have set us up for a hostage crisis, or worse, deliberately.
After hearing BuraqÂ’s speech, and hearing that the ferry that we hired to evacuate the embassy staff and hundreds to thousands of American nationals who were ordered to get out had not arrived; I started looking for what forces we have available in case we had to rescue them. If what I found is true, our entire current force in the Mediterranean consists of one (1) destroyer. I knew that we sent a carrier [ENTERPRISE] through Suez a week or so ago, but we usually are rotating ships around and have at least one CVBG either in the Med or close enough to get there in a hurry. Both of our CVBGÂ’s in the area are in the Arabian Sea now.
We do not have a single MEU in the area, the KEARSARGE group being near Bahrain. Let alone an MEF. The nearest MEU is the 22nd which is working up for deployment near Camp Lejeune. I do not know where it is in the working up cycle, but they are 15 days steaming from the Gulf of Sidra if they leave today. The carrier TRUMAN CVN-75 is just back in Norfolk after squadron quals, but transferred her munitions to CVN-76 GEORGE H.W. BUSH which is just starting work up for her first deployment.
We do not have any options at all to project naval or marine power in the Med right now; be it rescue or dealing with the Iranian targets in the Med. None. The entire southern rim of the Med has been in an uproar for several weeks. It is not like a crisis here is a surprise. Our Navy is used to being on standby for such, and usually would have a force within a reasonable steaming distance leaning forward in case they were needed.
Someone had to order deployments to leave us in this situation. I do not think it was anyone in a Navy uniform. I am blaming the National Command Authority. Any bloodshed or hostages are on his head.
Subotai BahadurPosted by: Subotai Bahadur at February 23, 2011 07:31 PM (iZJDE)
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Posted by: lions at February 24, 2011 05:06 AM (/vDzc)
Why do we care if Libya splits into seven more homogeneous tribal regions?
I guess we don't, except that Egypt has not much oil or gas, and Libya has much of both. If Libya fragments, that oil and gas becomes a tempting target for...acquistion. Other than that, I got nothing.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at February 24, 2011 05:31 AM (1hM1d)
Impressive Ace. You're one of a very few journalists or bloggers to get Qadhafi's name right.
I know. I was once an Arabic linguist in the military. I know exactly what those squiggles mean and how they should be rendered in English. And Mu'amar's squiggles is most properly rendered as Qadhafi.
Posted by: Call me Lennie at February 24, 2011 04:38 PM (GOsSG)
sonra buraya girererek buraya da bakin
Posted by: sexfilmiseyret at February 28, 2011 01:38 PM (jHBZ6)
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