It has occurred to some people that Obama is actually reconstructing the Caliphate, one country at a time, very stealthily but very deliberately. 

And of course, he is playing the long game of making the surrender or destruction of Israel a certainty.  It is only a matter of time before the new Egyptian Mulsim dictators renounce the peace treaty with Israel, and then if Israel tries to take out Iran's nuclear plants, Egypt brings its full U.S.-equipped army and air force in and annihilates Israel.

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 01, 2011 10:52 AM (u7cdn)

Fixed it for ya.

#8 "Egypt brings its full U.S.-equipped army and air force in and annihilates Israel."

It will still be Egyptians manning those tanks and planes.  Don't count the Israelis dead yet.

Plus, Cairo and Alexandria and the Aswan Dam all make nice nuclear targets.  

Posted by: Reynold at December 01, 2011 10:56 AM (Rv5Eb)

Ha ha.  Tell that to the women and homosexuals of Egypt.  Idiot.

And boy, will the silence of the feminists be deafening when all the women in Egypt are forced back into the veil and out of professions, girls are thrown out of school, etc.  Egypt probably has the largest educated professional female population of all the Arab countries. 

But hey, we got that old fool Mubarak out of there, didn't we?

How do we know that this is not what Obama wanted all along? ....A win for his buddies in the Muslim Brotherhood.

Posted by: rockmom at December 01, 2011 10:55 AM (aBlZ1)

The Egyptian generals are very well aware that their relatively well equipped but abysmally trained army will get its ass kicked by Israel.

Anyone that thinks egypt can defeat isreal is sadly mistaken. Two well placed Israeli cruise missles can wipe egypt off the map.

Here me out. Take this as a course of study.

First, raed about the Johnstown Flood in Pennsylvainia.

Second. Find a map of egypt and locate the aswan dam.

Calculate the results of what would happen to 99% of egypts population if that dam disappeared in about 1 second.

Not pretty at all.

10 Funny how wingers react to true Democracy.

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Ah yes, I remember well, how your kind of dhimmi reacted to Bush winning an election. 4 years of kicking and screaming that Gore was the real president, followed by Bushitlers RE-election.

Posted by: Reynold at December 01, 2011 10:56 AM (Rv5Eb)

Perhaps a bit of reading would help your problem with making stupid statements. The "democracy" in Egypt is nothing more than a careful manipulation of the Arab street by a small group of well funded and dedicated Islamists. It is as far from democracy as one can possibly get.

The Egyptian generals are very well aware that their relatively well equipped but abysmally trained army will get its ass kicked by Israel.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 01, 2011 11:01 AM (nEUpB)

But they won't be calling the shots, some dipshit imam will be.  You don't think they can outfit a horde of fanatical Muslims in an infantry to march across the Sinai border?  And we trained a lot of their officers and pilots.

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 01, 2011 11:01 AM (i6RpT)

He'll never be the man his father was, and he knows it.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 01, 2011 11:06 AM (yQwq5)

What if this was all intentional?  Obama will not have to get his hands dirty "abandoning" Israel, he will be able to fake sorrow and say it is out of his hands, he will not commit American troops and treasure to another senseless war to save Israel. 

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 01, 2011 11:07 AM (i6RpT)

Moshe Dayan is not walking through that door.

And we trained a lot of their officers and pilots.

Yes we did.  I was one of those trainers.

We, and Israel, have nothing to worry about from the Egyptian Army.  I suppose the Air Force would be about the same.

#43 "And please do not throw up the "Israel will blow up the Aswan Dam" meme.  It will never happen."

In a war for survival, anything can happen and usually does. 

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 01, 2011 11:10 AM (i6RpT)

FIFY

So what did we win?

Well, we'll get a chance to disprove the old saw that no democracy will declare war on another.

Or at least amend it to point out that nothing prevents a democracy from voting itself into a more bellicose form of government.

So Reynold.

If the Nazis got enough votes in an "election" to gain power, would that be true democracy? Do you think based on some of the links provided for you that those "elections" might just not have been fair or equal? If you do, don't ever respond and stop breathing as you're unable to think on your own.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 01, 2011 11:11 AM (nEUpB)

Egyptian infantry, plus missiles from Gaza and Iran, help from Syria, maybe even some last minute quiet push from Saudi.  Israel does not have the overwhelming military advantages vs. the Arab world that it had in 1973. 

And a new Islamic regime in Cairo will not care what happened in 1973 anyway.  It will be one giant suicide mission for the entire country and anyone who objects will be killed.  They have no jobs or future to offer the young men of Egypt, all they can offer is jihad and martyrdom,  So that is exactly what they will do.

This Just In

Bill Kristol looking like a real dope once again

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 01, 2011 11:14 AM (i6RpT)

Yup.

Moshe Dayan was a Mapainik! That's pretty damned left-wing.

#70 Moshe Dayan was the military leader of Israel.  He was a tough SOB and brilliant. 

We will know pretty soon what is going to happen, depending on what the Egyptian generals do. 

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It will be one giant suicide mission for the entire country and anyone who objects will be killed.  They have no jobs or future to offer the young men of Egypt, all they can offer is jihad and martyrdom,  So that is exactly what they will do.

Actually, this will solve their problem since wiping out large numbers of restless Muslim youts in a pointless war they have no hope of winning will have the effect of removing the demographic bitching the most about no jobs, no money, no future, etc.

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Well, we'll get a chance to disprove the old saw that no democracy will declare war on another.

Or at least amend it to point out that nothing prevents a democracy from voting itself into a more bellicose form of government.

Posted by: Randy M at December 01, 2011 11:14 AM (vI8R6)

Saying they are a democracy is like saying the Nazi's or Politburo were. Remember Hitler won the majority of votes! Of course he like his Islamofacist bretheren did it through beatings, intimidation, murder etc. Egypt is not a democracy.

The Salafi kill Christians & Christian converts.

SCOAMF says: "it's a Muslim thing, you wouldn't understand..."

I don't know with him... is it a bug or a feature?

If push comes to shove, the hammer will fall on any Arab Army foolish enough to really threaten Israel. The choose of life or death will usually do that to a country.

That's right.  It would also not surprise me if that meant tactical nukes.

Egypt has been lost since the uprising began. Done. Under the boot heel of the Islamists.

Arab spring means dark ages. Another triumph of the mindless stupidity of the left.

Wow, guess we crazy conservatives weren't so crazy after all.  I remember all the chattering classes and this administration telling us that there was NO WAY the Muslim Brotherhood was going to come to power in Egypt.  The smart people in D.C. sure showed that lunatic Glenn Beck didn't know what he was talking about back in January 2011 about the creation of a Caliphate ringing the southern Mediterrainian.  Oh, wait....

There is no doubt in my mind that Israel will be attacked.  Not tomorrow, but certainly within a decade (probably less) if the Islamofascists aren't reined in.

Posted by: merry at December 01, 2011 11:22 AM (oZfic)

I seem to remember a story that involves some horsemen, four I believe.

Posted by: Typical troublemaking moron at December 01, 2011 11:24 AM

LMFAO

ace, I'm interested in what you think can't be fairly pinned on Obama.  I don't mean that in the omg everything is Obama's fault!eleventy way, I'm seriously interested.

Hell, I'll go first.  I don't think the collapse of the Euro is Obama's fault.  That was doomed from the get go.

 and Alexandria . . . all make nice nuclear targets.  

HEY!

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 01, 2011 11:25 AM (/zI7M)

But with obama as president how can you be sure that would happen?

The blame-Obama line suggested by Legal Insurrection didn't occur to me. It does sound plausible. Mubarak wanted a year for an "orderly transition." It seems like such a thing would have been helpful.

I'm surprised this didn't occur to you, Ace.  I thought it was a fairly common belief held by those of us who are sane (read: not idiot leftists).  But then again, I may have been vacationing in my own head at the time.

Obama pushing for Mubarak to step down immediately, instead of allowing time for a transition, was not only a boon to the hardliners, but it also greatly undercuts America's ability to say to the incoming Islamist government, "Um, hey.  Yeah, maybe you could tone down the extremism just a bit?  Please?  And, uh... could you stop slaughtering the Copts?  It's bad optics." 

Lord almighty, I hate that man.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 01, 2011 11:21 AM (sbV1u)

They would be pilloried, but if the Islamists pulled off mass attacks Israel might not have any choice. There is only so much destruction an army can deal out using conventional weapons, especially when their doctrine has always been pinpoint accuracy.

Spoken like a true bitter winger clinger. How's that Bible helping you out now?

Posted by: Reynold at December 01, 2011 11:26 AM (Rv5Eb)

Do you have an argument?  Evidence?  Anything requiring some thought process?  Or do you just have snark?

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That's right. It would also not surprise me if that meant tactical nukes.

A lot of people don't know that Israel came close to deploying their nuclear weapons during the Yom Kippur War in 1973.  Only because the war started going in Israel's favor after the Arabs had exhausted themselves militarily, did the Israelis refrain from using nukes.

In a battle for survival, the Israelis WILL use nukes.  Anybody that doubts that is fooling themselves.

Spoken like a true bitter winger clinger. How's that Bible helping you out now?

Posted by: Reynold at December 01, 2011 11:26 AM (Rv5Eb)

Do you have an argument?  Evidence?  Anything requiring some thought process?  Or do you just have snark?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 01, 2011 11:30 AM (sbV1u)

War of the Undead States' lefty counterpart is app. amongst us

Posted by: nostradmus' 401k at December 01, 2011 10:56 AM (IfkGz)

Which will be AWESOME, because the Saudis are so moderate! 

OOH!  Speaking of which, you know they've just sentenced a woman who was gang raped to a year in prison and a hundred lashes for adultery?  And they KNOW it was adultery because she got pregnant after a night of forced sexual intercourse with five men, the filthy whore.  And THEN, worse and worse, she tried to get an abortion!  SLUT!

I'm so happy that the Saudis are such a tolerant bunch.  It gives me so much hope for the future.

Spoken like a true bitter winger clinger. How's that Bible helping you out now?

Posted by: Reynold at December 01, 2011 11:26 AM (Rv5Eb)

Do you have an argument?  Evidence?  Anything requiring some thought process?  Or do you just have snark?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 01, 2011 11:30 AM (sbV1u)

That's not snark Sean. Snark has wit. That's the sound made when someone's head is caught in their rectum.

you wingers are wrong

btw i'm a budget hawk and I love me some Obama

Obama 2012!

I decided a couple of years ago that the MAJOR problem we have in foreign policy is the "we must support Democracy" meme...

What we need to do is support REPUBLICS who have a written guarentee of Rights...

IMO Iraq and Afganistan were doomed once they put adhearance to Sharia Law in their founding Documents...

OOH!  Speaking of which, you know they've just sentenced a woman who was gang raped to a year in prison and a hundred lashes for adultery?  And they KNOW it was adultery because she got pregnant after a night of forced sexual intercourse with five men, the filthy whore.  And THEN, worse and worse, she tried to get an abortion!  SLUT!

I'm so happy that the Saudis are such a tolerant bunch.  It gives me so much hope for the future.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 01, 2011 11:33 AM (4df7R)

You just have to look at them and shake your head.  It would be sad if they weren't so dangerous.

I especially enjoyed the recent story about Muslims walking out of biology classes in British universities because they didn't agree with Darwin's theory.

They're trapped in the seventh century, and they always will be, because anyone who tries to drag them out of it is killed for being an "apostate."

That's not snark Sean. Snark has wit. That's the sound made when someone's head is caught in their rectum.

Posted by: dagny at December 01, 2011 11:35 AM (I4h50)

I prefer the military term.

Cranial-rectal defilade.

I especially enjoyed the recent story about Muslims walking out of biology classes in British universities because they didn't agree with Darwin's theory.

ummm, I disagree w/ Darwin's theory, what's your point there?

is it on them walking out? cause I didn't walk out of my 8th grade class when I was taught it

Set the Scene:

The 2nd Egyptian Army fielding Six Divisions with 100,000+ men blasts into the Sinai and burns hell bent for Israel less than 200 klicks away.

After 50 klicks 1/3 of the vehicles stop because the Vice Commander of the Army has sold all the gas to his Brother-In-Law.

After 100 klicks 1/3 of the vehicles bog down because the S2 of the Army sold all the new tires to his B-I-L and had old tires installed on the vehicles.

After 150 klicks, within sight of Isreal, the remaining Army succumbs to Israeli air attacks because all the ammo was sold by the Army Commander to his Palistinian Brother-In-Law.

"Cranial-rectal defilade." Is that how it is said now? Before I ETS'ed from the army we always called it "rectal cranial inversion syndrome"

My, I am getting old.

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 01, 2011 10:54 AM (u7cdn)

Ronald Reagen... who supported the Muhajadeen in Afganistan, against what was the bigger threat, the Soviet Union.

the "we must support Democracy" meme...

Original quote altered to read: Egyptian Democracy is two muzzies and a copt voting on who to murder for apostacy.

Posted by: izoneguy at December 01, 2011 11:35 AM (i6Neb)

Isreal will leave those alone, but the cities, well the cities will see a fireworks show

hehehe

is it on them walking out? cause I didn't walk out of my 8th grade class when I was taught it

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Has App Become Co-Bloggers Enemy #1 at December 01, 2011 11:39 AM (yAor6)

Yes, it was the walking out.

At least you know there is another side to the story.  You might not buy it, you might quibble with the evidence and advance your own arguement, but you participate in the debate if in no other way than by listening to the material.

These yokels performed the intellectuall equivalent of sticking the fingers in their ears and yelling "La, la, la, la, la!  I can't hear you!"

Posted by: soothsayer at December 01, 2011 11:41 AM (sqkOB)

I enjoyed watching him suffer, and I dont regret it at all

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 01, 2011 11:37 AM (avcz5)

Israel certainly does has that same advantage (if not more, now) but they refuse to use it.  And ever since Israel ran a war with the amazingly stupid concept of giving everyone a week off, in the beginning, so that everyone who wanted to could leave the battlefield (see Lebanon 2006) and no one really gets killed, no arab country is scared of Israel in any way whatsoever.

"Cranial-rectal defilade." Is that how it is said now? Before I ETS'ed from the army we always called it "rectal cranial inversion syndrome"

Posted by: GMB who is building his own maginot line at December 01, 2011 11:41 AM (wY55N)

Well, I was a tanker so the term "defilade" was used a lot.

Yes, it was the walking out.

At least you know there is another side to the story.  You might not buy it, you might quibble with the evidence and advance your own arguement, but you participate in the debate if in no other way than by listening to the material.

These yokels performed the intellectuall equivalent of sticking the fingers in their ears and yelling "La, la, la, la, la!  I can't hear you!"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 01, 2011 11:42 AM (sbV1u)

ok just checking. well what do you expect in a country were people are getting killed for being of diff religions, faiths, and sexual persuasions?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 01, 2011 11:41 AM (sqkOB)

But Obama lead from behind, so we weren't really involved (except for millions of dollars, wasted use of our troops, and support for European degenerates).

damn cat piss stinks

Arab Spring?   Try Islamist Winter.   Utterly predictable to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.   Now let the anarchy begin.

Obama '12:  Beyond Thunderdome!

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I think you're right.  The Islamofascists aren't afraid of nukes.  However, since the Arabs have relative handful of power-plants, etc. surrounded by desert, when the power-plants get nuked, the Arabs will be back to squating in the sand scratching the flea-bites on their asses.

Islamofascists probably look on the situation as a win-win: reduce the excess population (and kill Joos!!!!) and rid themselves of Western decadence.

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Posted by: really ... at December 01, 2011 11:42 AM (X3lox)

They should if they consider attacking. I imagine Israel will defend itself and disregard things like the week off policy.

I recall that Israel was working on bunker-busters. Wouldn't those work well on a dam?

Yes they would.  But I defer to the civil engineer morons here.

But we have sold them a BUNCH of them in the last 5 years.

OT guys but...

DOW was up +500, you guys should be talking about America being back!

Obama 2012!

"Well, I was a tanker so the term "defilade" was used a lot."

Understood. 12 years in FA then 6 more as an MP. Never got to talk to many tankers. Hated them though. They didnt have to mess with those damn nets...

Posted by: dagny at December 01, 2011 11:45 AM (I4h50)

that's where I stand myself.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 01, 2011 11:41 AM (sqkOB)

Yeah.... it was funny how the Right was pretty quiet about an Illegal War... because of who the target was...

And now the Precedent is set...

Add in Assasinating an American Citizen, without first a Trial for Treason? (which would have been simple)...

And the Law now going through the Senate, which depending on how a comma is inserted or not, and how you  read it, will allow the President to declare anyone, even an American Citizen an enemy combatant, and hold him indefinatly without Court intervention....

Annnnddddd... a never ending War declaration called the War on Terror, where the President can declare ANYONE as supporting Al Q, at his whim, and use that as justification to perpetuate Acts of War on ANY country.

It did take a couple of hundred years... but Benjamin Franklin was correct in his warning of.... a Republic, if you can keep it...

Understood. 12 years in FA then 6 more as an MP. Never got to talk to many tankers. Hated them though. They didnt have to mess with those damn nets...

That's OK, we hated you too.

When you think about it, the sole purpose of an MP whether in peace or war was to stop people from having fun.   ;-)

I gained a whole new respect for FA guys when I was in Iraq though.

But it's still true that you can't spell "fag" without "FA"

Yeah.... it was funny how the Right was pretty quiet about an Illegal War... because of who the target was...

I wasnt. I thought it was illegal from the 1st place. It just so happens it was an illegal war on an asshole who desrved it and I enjoyed watching suffer.

Israel certainly does has that same advantage (if not more, now)

I agree. The muslim countries are not as united as they were in the 60's either. Saudi Arabia is more worried about Iran than Israel.

Syria, that place is in shambles. I doubt Syria is the only mid-east country that would have it's regime overthrown in a heartbeat if it sent the army out of the state abroad to fight anyone else besides it's own citizenry, but it would certainly happen there.

And again, if revolt did occur in a place like Syria, the Russians, the Turks, the Iranians, the Saudis, they'd all be too busy positioning and fighting each other for influence over the geostrategically criticial ashes to be worry about the Jews.

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The Obama Administration cut democracy-and-governance aid to Egyptian opposition groups in its first two years in office, from $45 million in George W. Bush's last budget to $25 million for the 2010 and 2011 fiscal years. The Obama Administration also stopped providing aid to groups that had not registered with the Egyptian government, drawing criticism from human-rights organizations. The Administration has had conversations with Egyptian government officials, including the Egyptian envoy to the U.S., Ambassador Sameh Shoukry, about the provision of new aid, sources tell TIME.

The U.S. has a history of providing assistance to nascent democracy movements, with mixed results. In countries like Serbia and Ukraine, direct and indirect U.S. aid helped youth-driven opposition movements successfully oust repressive leaders by training them in nonviolent civil disobedience, election organization and other fundamentals of civil society.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 01, 2011 11:44 AM (/zI7M)

Lucas; Prince of Darkness, usually 100 miles from anywhere.

ummm, I disagree w/ Darwin's theory, what's your point there?

is it on them walking out? cause I didn't walk out of my 8th grade class when I was taught it

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Has App Become Co-Bloggers Enemy #1 at December 01, 2011 11:39 AM (yAor6)

These would be students who signed up to take biology, including trainee doctors, who are walking out of biology lectures, and then bitching about having to study Darwinism, despite it being a major part of the syllabus (and therefore known well ahead of time).  If it conflicts so heavily with their religion, why are they taking that biology course in the first place?  Why are they attending University College?  And if they feel they must leave the lecture due to religious convictions, fine.  But to then complain about it?  That is simply ridiculous. 

I'm of the Intelligent Design persuasion myself, but these muzzies irritate the crap out of me with their entitlement attitude.

I wasnt. I thought it was illegal from the 1st place. It just so happens it was an illegal war on an asshole who desrved it and I enjoyed watching suffer.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Has App Become Co-Bloggers Enemy #1 at December 01, 2011 11:48 AM (yAor6)

I was speaking more of the Repub Right, in Congress, in Washington.

That they allowed this usurption of power suprised me.

On the bright side, we are viewing world history in the making, i.e., the establishment of the Caliphate--Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Yemen, Sudan etc.

I lean toward the Bosnian solution to the Middle East problem.

Throw up a wall around every Muslim country and then give them better weapons.

Problem solved in 2 years.

They should if they consider attacking. I imagine Israel will defend itself and disregard things like the week off policy.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 01, 2011 11:45 AM (avcz5)

Why would you think that?  Israel has NEVER attacked an enemy city and brought real pain to the enemy population.  Cairo has never been attacked.  Damascus has never been attacked.  The only major arab city that Israel bothered to attack was Beirut, but that doesn't even count as EVERYONE was blowing the shit out of Beirut at the time (and moreso than Israel ever tried).

No.  It's sad and pathetic, but arabs never have to worry about Israel actually attacking their major cities, as Israel has refused to do that in any of the wars that it has fought - even the ones it was losing, like the Yom Kippur War.

I don't like it but that's what the history is.  Israel refuses to kill enough enemies and to destroy their cities, so Israel has to fight the same exact war every ten years.  Eventually, just by probabilities, Israel will lose if they keep giving the arabs more chances.

And, whether it's true or not, no arabs are scared of Israel attacking their cities or populations, because Israel has gone out of its way (very stupidly) to not do that in any of the wars, and that's with the arabs running wars of annihilation while Israel fights nothing but pure defenses.

Giving back ANY land that Israel won in wars with arabs also encourages the arabs to fight more and more, since they keep getting back whatever they lose in their offensive wars.

On the bright side, we are viewing world history in the making, i.e., the establishment of the Caliphate--Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Yemen, Sudan etc.

The Caliphate was ruled by the Turks.

Who is going to rule it now? Not the Turks.

The Arabs?!

None of them are currently managing to run run their own tiny states in a semi-competent manner. How the hell would they manage that epic feat?

Posted by: Israel at December 01, 2011 11:44 AM (YXmuI)

The Egyptian generals might know it, but I am guessing they are all going to get the hell out of Dodge now.  There will be some Islamist asshole running the military who won't care about Israel's nukes, and it will be 24/7 jihad until Israel either drops a nuke on them or is destroyed. 

Just know that America will have ZERO appetite for getting involved in such a war, and if Israel uses any WMD first this country will turn on them.

Great posts. Sorry if I missed this one, but it looks like Israel is going to have to force everyones hand. The tide is rising against them and it would benefit them to draw everyone into a war of their choosing. Islam is, as Islam does.

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are any of our weapons systems  given to these countries have any shut down button?
like james bond stuff?

No, but most of the export variants are not as good as ours.  ITAR won't allow it.

(just google "ITAR" and "State Department")

Just know that America will have ZERO appetite for getting involved in such a war, and if Israel uses any WMD first this country will turn on them.

I'm not so sure about that.  I think if they are in extremis it will be tolerated.

But they would have to be in some serious shit.

As in, lost 2-3 cities, or have taken casualties in the hundreds of thousands.

Which means you have to agree to let the Arabs bloddy your nose real good before you the rest of the world (maybe) tolerates you wiping them off the map.

221....  The problem is the breech channel would have to be seriously wide and blown down well below the lake level to cause any significant flooding.

What about a bunker-buster?

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 01, 2011 11:57 AM (i6RpT)

we'll hope for the same  conduct.

the islamists will let them keep all their perks and good living as long as they play ball.

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 01, 2011 12:00 PM (i6RpT)

For a couple years, maybe, until reality bites them in the ass and the population realizes that the MB, like all totalitarians, doesn't give a shit about them and has no answers to their problems.

Then the MB will eat the military as a diversion.

See Revolution, French

 The only side that matters in an ideological conflict such as this are the people will are to fight and die in order to win. That would be the Islamists.  If people would rather  live with Mohammed's boot on their neck--than fight-- so be it.

 I bet if the Iranian people had a time machine; they would dial that sucker back to around...1972. Then start shooting those f#cks.

It was a gutsy call, but Obama won Democracy female genital mutilation for the people of Egypt.

FIFY

But they would have to be in some serious shit.

As in, lost 2-3 cities, or have taken casualties in the hundreds of thousands.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 01, 2011 11:59 AM (sbV1u)

Israel only has 3 cities, really.

Do you really think the Egyptian army will give up power to the Islamists?

Hmm. I didn't know they were Christian?

If your not Christian, your Muslim.

Democracy is a stick in the ass.
Posted by: zombie Muammar Gathafi at December 01, 2011 12:09 PM (IfkGz)

In the Middle East, "Democracy" is a term for "nothing left to lose."

Then the MB will eat the military as a diversion.

If anyone eats the Egyptian military, no one will rule Egypt. If they lost popular support, who the hell else might even could protect the MB against them?

Which might not a be bad thing...

If anyone eats the Egyptian military, no one will rule Egypt. If they lost popular support, who the hell else might even could protect the MB against them?

Which might not a be bad thing...

It'll look a lot like pre-2001 Afghanistan with regime toadies and thugs roaming the street with bullwhips for a little inpromptu "justice."

But hey, that's democracy Egyptian style, and that's fine with me.  Because if they're busy killing their own, then they're not killing me.

Dude, ♫ is not ASCII

In the Middle East, "Democracy" is a term for "nothing left to lose."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 01, 2011 12:11 PM (sbV1u)

Or, as I think Lenin said, "one man, one vote....one time."

You're welcome.

Posted by: Advo at December 01, 2011 12:34 PM (7vbG1)

Nothing but a little replay of Algeria, circa 1991.  Or Gaza, 2006.  Or any muslim society, essentially.  The same happened all the time in Turkey, but there the military always held supreme power to cancel out such elections (which was the genius of Ataturk in his attempt to advance his islamic society).  In Algeria, the military had to do that on the fly - which the whole West supported whole-heartedly.  Back then, the West still had some sense left.  Those were the days when the idea of an enemy of America in the White House was absolutely unthinkable.  The good 'ol days.

It'll look a lot like pre-2001 Afghanistan with regime toadies and thugs roaming the street with bullwhips for a little inpromptu "justice."

Egypt is not very similar to Afghanistan, pre or post-2001. It's more similar I'd say to a country it's also much closer too - Somalia.

I would expect much less something like the Taliban, much more something like the Islamic Courts chaos.

They roam around beating people with bullwhips for dancing too, though.

"Analysts in the state-run news media ..."

Theirs or ours?

#254 Of course he is getting his way.  If he isn't an outright Muslim trying to recreate the Caliphate. at best he is trying to create a fait accompli for the surrender of Jerusalem and the West Bank by surrounding Israel with fanatical Islamist-ruled countries.  That IS "smart power" if your goal is the decimation of Israel and the extrication of the U.S. from supporting it.  The Left get what they want without paying any political price for it here in the U.S. 

It was a really very clever plan and they have worked it pretty damn well.

From back in January:  http://tinyurl.com/6omrrrb