September 06, 2011

Obama Pollageddon
— DrewM

Two polls out today and not a bit of good news in either one of them for Obama.

First the Washington Post-ABC News poll.

More than 60 percent of those surveyed say they disapprove of the way the president is handling the economy and, what has become issue No. 1, the stagnant jobs situation. Just 43 percent now approve of the job he is doing overall, a new career low; 53 percent disapprove, a new high.

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By this time in their presidencies, approval ratings for both Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton — who also suffered serious midterm setbacks during their first term — had settled safely above the 50 percent mark. Both then stayed in positive territory throughout their reelection campaigns.

When ratings for George W. Bush slipped into the low 40s during his second term in office, they remained there or lower for the remainder of his presidency.

Obama does, however, rate better than do congressional Republicans, his adversaries in recent, fierce confrontations on federal spending. Just 28 percent approve of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, and 68 percent disapprove, the worst spread for the GOP since summer 2008.

Unfortunately for Obama, "congressional Republicans" won't be the alternative on the 2012 ballot.

And for all the talk about how "congressional Republicans" poll lower than Obama, when respondents are asked, "Who do you trust to do a better job" on key economic issues the GOP is close to or actually leads Obama:

On "Handling the economy " Obama is at 42%, the GOP is at 39

On "Creating jobs" Obama and the GOP tie at 40%

And on "Handling the federal budget deficit" the GOP leads Obama 42% to 39.

The poll sample is 1,001 adults and not registered voters (where GOP usually does better) and breaks down to 33% Democrats, 24% Republican and 36% independent. There's no way to predict what the electorate is going to be next year but you can compare it to the '08 exit polls...39% Democrats, 32% Republican 29%, independent. Clearly the Democratic turnout. If you really think GOP turnout is going to be lower and all the shrinkage goes to indies, good luck with that.

Want some more Obama DOOM? Of course you do.

Obama's job approval rating has sunk to a low of 44 percent, a 3-point drop since July. His handling of the economy stands at a low of 37 percent. And only 19 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction, the lowest mark for this president.

Perhaps most ominously for Obama, a majority of poll takers — 54 percent — think he's facing a longer-term setback from which he's unlikely to recover. Back in January, just 39 percent agreed with that assessment.

Indeed, that 54 percent is virtually identical to George W. Bush's score on the same question in the Nov. 2005 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, which was released just months after Bush's widely criticized handling of Hurricane Katrina.

The bold part? DOOM. 54% are basically saying, the guy is done.

That's NBC, the house organ of the Obama administration. They do give it the old college try to find some good news for their guy.

If there's a silver lining for Obama, it's that a combined 70 percent of respondents still find him likeable (though nearly six in 10 say they disapprove of many of his policies). And 50 percent approve of his handling of foreign policy, which Hart says is significant because it suggests that the public doesn't think that everything Obama touches can be viewed negatively.

What's more, in a hypothetical general election contest, Obama leads Texas Gov. Rick Perry by five points, 47 percent to 42 percent. And he leads former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by one, 46 percent to 45 percent, though that margin is down five points since June.

But for the first time in the poll, more say they'd probably vote for a generic Republican candidate (44 percent) than say they'd probably vote for Obama (40 percent).

Yeah, well, the part where people actually have to chose is over a year away. A challenger is going to have time to define themselves and build support. Obama for the first time in his life is going to have run on his record and it's miserable. It's going to be a lot harder to dazzle people with BS when they have already decided you are a SCOAMF.

Which leads to this interesting internal question from the poll (pdf):

Which of the following two statements comes closer to your point of view?

Statement A: The president and the Congress should worry more about boosting the economy even though it may mean larger budget deficits now and in the future.

Statement B: The president and the Congress should worry more about keeping the budget deficit down, even though it may mean it will take longer for the economy to recover.

Statement A/Worry more about boosting the economy ............ 38%
Statement B/Worry more about keeping budget deficit down .... 56%

If people have decided that keeping the deficit down is a top priority then that bodes well for the GOP and indicates calls for massive spending (the only trick Obama and the Democrats have, well other than "teh RACISM!") aren't going to be well received.

All the caveats...polls are just snapshots and a lot can happen in 14 months away but Democrats better hope this is one hell of a speech he gives on Thursday.

Added: Slublog remembered to dig out the partisan breakdown of the NBC poll: 39% Dems or leaning, 17% independent, 34% GOP or leaning.

Posted by: DrewM at 05:10 AM | Comments (111)
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1 well this thread came up fast

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 06, 2011 05:14 AM (eOXTH)

2 Just 43 percent now approve of the job he is doing overall

WTF?  Who ARE these people?!  That number is way too high to be blacks & union members.

Posted by: Tami at September 06, 2011 05:15 AM (X6akg)

3 I read a post downthred by Ace that said there will be thread spacing.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 06, 2011 05:15 AM (ZDUD4)

4 They are already trotting out the old and discredited argument that cutting government spending will contract the economy. The problem is that many people accept the government as just another part of our economic engine, and that needs to change if we are to have any hope of surviving this debacle.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 06, 2011 05:16 AM (LH6ir)

5 Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 06, 2011 09:15 AM (ZDUD4)

Who is ace?

Posted by: The cobloggers at September 06, 2011 05:17 AM (LH6ir)

6 MFING SCOAMF!

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 06, 2011 05:17 AM (JNqU9)

7 5, Hmmmmm

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 06, 2011 05:20 AM (ZDUD4)

8

All the caveats...polls are just snapshots and a lot can happen in 14 months away but Democrats better hope this is one hell of a speech he gives on Thursday.

Question (that I know has been asked before, but which bears repeating):

If Obama gives a speech to Congress but everyone is too busy watching NFL pregame action to listen, does he make a sound?  And by make a sound I mean "spew verbal diarrhea"? 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 06, 2011 05:21 AM (4df7R)

9 After his despicable performance yesterday with his union goons, the numbers should drop even more.

If not, if the public doesn't react negatively to the stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure's incitements to violence, the DOOM is on the other foot.

I personally believe it's yet another instance where Congress should act to show its disgust for the Traitor-in-Chief, but the chances of that are less than nil.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 06, 2011 05:21 AM (YjjrR)

10 And going before Congress with the whole world watching with the same worthless platitudes will do his numbers wonders I am sure? What an asshole

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 06, 2011 05:22 AM (i6RpT)

11 Unfortunately for Obama, "congressional Republicans" won't be the alternative on the 2012 ballot.

Well, the fact that Bush was not running in 2008 did not preclude dems from campaigning against him.  Shit, they'll probably do it again in 2012.

Posted by: Herr Blücher at September 06, 2011 05:22 AM (uLX+x)

12 I read a post downthred by Ace that said there will be thread spacing.

A half-hour between posts is plenty. The DOOM is still there; don't fret. People who are looking for it know where it is.

I think Ace's point is that if it's a long essay or "think" piece, we give it a bit more room to breathe. But mine is mainly a link-dump that people bookmark and read throughout the day, so a half-hour is usually plenty to let people know it's there.

Posted by: Monty at September 06, 2011 05:29 AM (/0a60)

13 Obama does, however, rate better than do congressional Republicans

When has this ever not been the case, i.e. that a President did not have higher ratings than Congress?  Nixon 1974?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 06, 2011 05:29 AM (3zFBF)

14 Who is ace?

He's cuckoo for CoCo Puffs. But they don't serve them in jail, in Indiana...

Posted by: Boo Berry at September 06, 2011 05:31 AM (LIVqp)

15 12 monty no one ever said anything about thinking at this place....... and your doom threads are more than a link dump.....don't sell yourself short.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 06, 2011 05:33 AM (eOXTH)

16

If there's a silver lining for Obama, it's that a combined 70 percent of respondents still find him likeable (though nearly six in 10 say they disapprove of many of his policies).

Watch this "silver lining" number start plummeting as the campaign gets going.   First, Obama really isn't that likeable as a person... he's actually quite dislikeable.   He's arrogant, a blowhard, a know-it-all, an elitist.   These are all qualities that Americans generally dislike.   That's why a patrician George W. Bush had to create a new persona of the Texas rancher, and why John Kerry never connected (remember the picture of him wind-surfing, the very image of the elite at play).  

Second, the only reason why the likeable number is still so high, given Obama's personality defects, is that he's black, and people are still trained by the media and schools and culture generally to be afraid of saying that they dislike a black President, for fear of being called a racist.   But wait until these same people, who have been so careful to say that "I only disagree with his policies, I like him personally," get called a racist by Obama and his campaign simply because they disagree with those policies.   If you don't want more Keynesian stimulus, you're a racist.   If you don't want more "green jobs" program, you're a racist.   If you don't support lavish public employee pensions, you're a racist. 

At some point, people who get called racist simply for having reasonable viewpoints based on the evidence before them are going to turn off (or, if already turned off, are going to feel liberated to say that they don't like Obama). 

Obama '12:  I'm Likeable!   (But You're a Racist.)

Posted by: The Regular Guy at September 06, 2011 05:34 AM (qHCyt)

17

We still have a 70% bleeping idiot faction who find this snarky smilin' schmuck likeable?  Sheesh!

Posted by: Comanche Voter at September 06, 2011 05:34 AM (3ESDJ)

18 David Burge

I'm a former Teamster (warehouseman local 383 Sioux City IA ).  Hoffas do not speak in metaphors.

Posted by: Tami at September 06, 2011 05:34 AM (X6akg)

19 With those kind of numbers the MFM will have to kick their propaganda machine into first gear.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 06, 2011 05:36 AM (1Jaio)

20 Not to worry Democrats - Maxine Waters has a really great idea. More Spendulous. More Porkulous! More leftiwng greed! Big unions! High taxes! Big debt! mmmmmm. and some sweet corruption gravy.

Posted by: Rhetorical Flourishes at September 06, 2011 05:37 AM (0fzsA)

21 I would like to locate the idiotic 70% of respondents who find Obama personally likeable, line them up, and smack each and every one of them repeatedly about the head with a dead, partially digested haddock vomited up by a bulimic whale.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 06, 2011 05:38 AM (4df7R)

22 That brain trust and "conservative" Joe Scarborough said this this morning:

There is no way Rick Perry can win a general election. No way. Press the record button, Texas: there is no way Rick Perry can win a general election. No way.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2011 05:39 AM (UOM48)

23 dead, partially digested haddock vomited up by a bulimic whale. Dude... don't give 'em any ideas for wasting money. They're preparing a new stimulus now. SAVE THE BULIMIC WHALES!

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 06, 2011 05:42 AM (JNqU9)

24 "conservative" Joe Scarborough said this this morning He must be saying this to get into Mika's pants! I'd do the same!

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 06, 2011 05:44 AM (JNqU9)

25 Now take a minute to imagine what these numbers would look like if the media stopped being his personal chicken for five seconds.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 06, 2011 05:45 AM (Zg8oE)

26 Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2011 09:39 AM

On the Today Show this morning, jerkwad Matt Lauer asked Rick Perry how he could be running for president while dealing with all of Texas's problems. Funny thing: don't recall anyone asking Osama Obama, that stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure, if he could actually do any work while vacationing/making empty speeches/vacationing/inciting riots....

I despise Lauer -- not as much as I do SCoaMF, but still plenty -- and wish my girlfriend's mother would find something else to watch in the mornings. Animal Planet, cartoons, anything....

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 06, 2011 05:46 AM (YjjrR)

27 Jello Pudding cups! Come get your Jello pudding cups! We got chocolate, vanilla, butterscotch and tapioca (if you are feeling rebellious).

Posted by: Bill Cosby at September 06, 2011 05:47 AM (DueYW)

28 Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2011 09:39 AM (UOM4 Don Imus had Scarborough pegged: Banjo Boy (from the movie "Deliveranc.")

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 06, 2011 05:47 AM (UlUS4)

29 "...If there's a silver lining for Obama, it's that a combined 70 percent of respondents still find him likeable..."

That 70% can be fairly categorized as "preference falsification".  Its one thing to tell the pollster who interrupts your dinner that you don't like Obama's performance on the economy, but it is a very different thing to tell that stranger that you find the first black President unlikeable.

Posted by: Ritter at September 06, 2011 05:51 AM (Xv7f/)

30 This post very good. I plan on becoming regular reader sometime.

Posted by: Amazon Audiobooks at September 06, 2011 05:51 AM (Zg8oE)

31 In related news, Ace's approval rating will jump 9.1% if he does a double post on these poll surveys.

Posted by: Fritz at September 06, 2011 05:54 AM (/ZZCn)

32 Larry Sabato says it boils down to seven states (WSJ link):
"seven super-swing states with 85 electors will determine which party gets to the magic number of 270 electoral votes: Colorado (9), Florida (29), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), New Hampshire (4), Ohio (1 and Virginia (13)"

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 05:57 AM (5H6zj)

33 SP has released a facebook post smacking Hoffa around and she gives BO a few kicks to his vajayjay as well.  

Posted by: The Hammer at September 06, 2011 05:59 AM (dja/g)

34 30 This post very good. I plan on becoming regular reader sometime. Posted by: Amazon Audiobooks at September 06, 2011 09:51 AM (Zg8oE) In Russia, you no read post; post read YOU!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 06, 2011 06:01 AM (UlUS4)

35 Where is everyone this morning?

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 06:04 AM (5H6zj)

36 Don Imus had Scarborough pegged: Banjo Boy (from the movie "Deliveranc.") Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 06, 2011 09:47 AM (UlUS4) Imus went full retard liberal for a while ( his wife I think) but he is slowly coming back to reality. Well at least what Imus would consider reality

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 06, 2011 06:04 AM (i6RpT)

37 @34 "Released a facebook post?"  That sounds like something a pretentious douche like Will Folks would say.

You mean she posted on her Facebook page, right?


Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 06, 2011 06:04 AM (3zFBF)

38 No mention of "she who shall not be named" yet.  What the hell?  I was looking forward to some spirited debate this morning.  Anyway, I expect the pol situation and the goonion problem to get worse for the "O".  When wounded animals feel trapped they become dangerous and deadly.  Anyone heard anything more about the non union shop owner that was shot in Indiana?  Have any arrests been made?  The closer it gets to 2012 the better the likelyhood that there will be more violence.  Stay safe nongoonion workers, and stay vigilant. A CHL  would probably be a good investment as the goonions will become more and more desperate.  Also, expect the racial attacks and crimes by the Obama demographic to explode.  They're about to lose their free rides with the election of Governor Perry in 2012.

Posted by: Ron at September 06, 2011 06:05 AM (g+yPx)

39 @37 IIRC Mrs. Imus is a full-on libtard.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 06, 2011 06:05 AM (3zFBF)

40 This kind of DOOM I like. Why can't we have more of it?

Posted by: Grey Fox at September 06, 2011 06:05 AM (nEMLy)

41 Spoke too soon.  Sorry

Posted by: Ron at September 06, 2011 06:06 AM (g+yPx)

42 I don't think you can compare Obama approval and congressional republican approval. I'm not sure that I would say that I approved of congressional republicans---wouldn't that include McCain, Dukakis, Collins, Grahamnesty, et all? Also I would like to see more push to the right. That doesn't mean that I approve of democrate congressmen---bleh.

Posted by: dagny at September 06, 2011 06:08 AM (y5ARL)

43 Barry O'Blahblah is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

I still get a tingle when I type that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2011 06:09 AM (UOM48)

44 Agree that the tune out factor now is going to really hurt this slob. Nobody believes that if you completely screw up for 3 years and then make that abortion of a speech yesterday that you ever have the best interests of the majority at heart. Everyone already knows the tone and details of this joke of an address on Thursday- why bother watching?

Posted by: jjshaka at September 06, 2011 06:10 AM (oi0bb)

45 Yeah, Imus was ok for a while, he even had a little window of time where he seemed to like Palin (early in the 2008 campaign), but his wife definitely pulls him left.  I don't watch him any longer, but I did enjoy his show back in '07 and '08.  And, I learned about Asleep at the Wheel and Delbert McClinton through his program, so that's something I'll always appreciate. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 06:13 AM (5H6zj)

46 "WTF? Who ARE these people?! That number is way too high to be blacks & union members." Community College English Professors and Michigan Ay-rabs. Who did you think NBC would poll...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at September 06, 2011 06:13 AM (qvify)

47 ....so should the threatening remarks made by hoffa be reported to the director of homeland security?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 06, 2011 06:14 AM (eOXTH)

48

On a completely unrelated note, why does Debbie Wasserman Shmuck always look like she needs to take a shower?

Posted by: Marie at September 06, 2011 06:14 AM (W7Seu)

49 debbie wasswerman shmuck is golem's twin sister

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 06, 2011 06:15 AM (eOXTH)

50 @49 Occam's Razor suggests....

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 06, 2011 06:16 AM (3zFBF)

51 Oh, and... How dare you post anything critical of our magical President who is causing the seas to recede and the Earth to heal with his outstretched hands?

Why... it's, it's... despicable!

Posted by: Lee Bibb-Tardhe at September 06, 2011 06:16 AM (LIVqp)

52 Perhaps most ominously for Obama, a majority of poll takers — 54 percent — think he's facing a longer-term setback from which he's unlikely to recover. Back in January, just 39 percent agreed with that assessment.

"The chickens are coming home to roooooost."

Posted by: franksalterego at September 06, 2011 06:17 AM (7/sDI)

53


"The chickens are coming home to roooooost."

 

Stolen from muslim Malcom X. Isn't that appropriate?

Posted by: dagny at September 06, 2011 06:19 AM (y5ARL)

54 "The chickens are coming home to roooooost." Posted by: franksalterego at September 06, 2011 10:17 AM (7/sDI) the way the economy is going them chickens are all gonna be on the BBQ pretty soon and not roosting

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 06, 2011 06:21 AM (i6RpT)

55 ....so should the threatening remarks made by hoffa be reported to the director of homeland security? Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 06, 2011 10:14 AM

That would do as much good as an investigation by the Department of Justice for Some.

Granted, The Not-Dead Jimmy Hoffa fits Nappy's profile for terrorists -- being white, non-Muzzie and all -- but of course he gets a free pass.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 06, 2011 06:21 AM (YjjrR)

56

Rasmussen this morning shows 22% strongly approve of Obama (up a little over the weekend, perhaps because liberals liked his pro-union thuggery on Labor Day), but 44% strongly disapprove, for an approval index of -22%.   It's been below -20% for 27 of the last 29 days.   That's a solid trend.   Only ultra-liberals strongly approve of Obama now; moderate Democrats, independents and Republicans are all moving the opposite direction.

Preference Cascade.... catch the wave!

Posted by: The Regular Guy at September 06, 2011 06:22 AM (qHCyt)

57 Granted, The Not-Dead Jimmy Hoffa fits Nappy's profile for terrorists -- being white, non-Muzzie and all -- but of course he gets a free pass. Posted by: MrScribbler at September 06, 2011 10:21 AM (YjjrR) Hoffa is one fat bastard. he could use a few years in the can

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 06, 2011 06:23 AM (i6RpT)

58 I liked Imus for one reason only - I won a trip to London from him (actually it was Charles; Imus was out sick coughing up a lung). He's a jerk. I remember him going off every day on Darth Cheney, calling him "pork chop butt" and a war criminal. And then, he interviews him after the second inaugural and it's as if he's his best friend. Always had libbo stenographers on (Barnacle, Friedman, Alter, Greenfield, Taibbi jr, Thomas, etc.) but I give him kudos for taking down Cuntessa Brewer. All in all, meh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 06, 2011 06:23 AM (UlUS4)

59 Oh yeah, almost forgot: Imus was in on the autism/thimerosal myth. Total schmuck.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 06, 2011 06:25 AM (UlUS4)

60 "...it suggests that the public doesn't think that everything Obama touches can be viewed negatively." When THAT is the good news, you have a problem.

Posted by: Michael at September 06, 2011 06:25 AM (5UERU)

61 re: Statement A and Statement B: If we incur new debt to make spending to boost the economy, that's just a long-winded way of saying "stimulus," which we've already seen fail. If we don't get our debt under control, our economy will never recover. It's painfully obvious that "B" is the right answer. I'm just surprised that Americans might understand that.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at September 06, 2011 06:25 AM (K8i3k)

62 Earlier today the headline at MSNBC was Obama Hits Low in Polls. Two hours later it was Obama and Congress Hit Lows in Polls.

Posted by: kansas at September 06, 2011 06:27 AM (SjdO4)

63 Imus was in on the autism/thimerosal myth. Total schmuck.

Yeah, that's his wife though.  She's also a food nut.

I think the Imus Ranch does good work for sick kids. 

I wouldn't put him into the 100% bad category.  He's had moments of lucidity and, actually, he's capable of doing very good interviews. IIRC it was Imus who interviewed Geo HW Bush and asked him about W's ill-advised (one would hope unintended) slam of his dad's efforts in Iraq (the unfinished business thing). 

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 06:27 AM (5H6zj)

64

Barry just needs to make a few more speeches and that ought to turn everything around

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 06, 2011 06:28 AM (1Jaio)

65

Had a friend on FB post a lengthy disertation for Ron Paul today.  If the cat's not shitting on the bed, it's shitting on the couch. 

Told him to look around and find an alternative candidate because RP wasn't going to win the nomination, period.  He said he may support a third party candidate.  I told him Ralph Nader may run again.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 06, 2011 06:29 AM (tjim+)

66 This is really impossible. How can a progressive administration manned by intellectuals from the Ivy Leagues fail? It is impossible. Certainly someone or somebodies are conspiring to harm the plans of the secular priesthood. This cannot be allowed to stand. Where is MSM to explain this?

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 06:29 AM (0M3AQ)

67 I can't stand listening to Imus.  He always sounds like he's on day 3 of a 3 day bender.

Posted by: Tami at September 06, 2011 06:30 AM (X6akg)

68 @67
I think you mean "unpossible." 

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 06:30 AM (5H6zj)

69 68 I can't stand listening to Imus. He always sounds like he's on day 3 of a 3 day bender. Posted by: Tami at September 06, 2011 10:30 AM (X6akg) His 3-day bender has been going on for 40 years now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 06, 2011 06:31 AM (UlUS4)

70 I'm not sure fear of being called a racist accounts for all or even most of his likability ratings. I think it's because the MBM has done their very best to try to paint him as a fantastically wonderful person.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 06, 2011 06:32 AM (21lBC)

71 President Barack Obama said Monday that congressional Republicans must put their country ahead of their party and vote to create new jobs as he used a boisterous rally to aim a partisan barb at the opposition.

In a preview of the jobs speech he will deliver on Thursday to Congress, Obama said there are numerous roads and bridges that need rebuilding in the U.S., and over 1 million unemployed construction workers who are available to build them.

 

That's our Barry. Fresh new ideas for the economy. Oh wait...it's the same old government money for union construction projects

 

Labor Secretary Hilda Solis said Monday that both political parties should get behind Obama's efforts to improve the hiring picture.

 

Yes, let's just blindly follow Barry. He's got all the answers

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 06, 2011 06:32 AM (1Jaio)

72 63 Earlier today the headline at MSNBC was Obama Hits Low in Polls. Two hours later it was Obama and Congress Hit Lows in Polls.   That's just MSM pumping their JS sports page article. Let me guess, Obama good, Republicans bad. I really hope the pubbies just get up and walk out on the first "partisan barb" of the speech. Imagine, the first black percendent being the first to use a JS of C to launch a re-election campaign? Here's hoping for less change and more humility.  

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 06:33 AM (0M3AQ)

73  I'm not sure fear of being called a racist accounts for all or even most of his likability ratings. I think it's because the MBM has done their very best to try to paint him as a fantastically wonderful person.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 06, 2011 10:32 AM (21lBC)

It's part that but it's mostly Americans not wanting to be mean. It's like when your boss asks you about a constant screw up at work, you start of saying he's a nice guy but dang he sucks at his job.

I reality he's the guy you never ask to go to happy hour and avoid in social settings.

Posted by: robtr at September 06, 2011 06:38 AM (MtwBb)

74 Geez, I wish it would rain.  OK is as dry as TX right now.  Everyone is holding their breath hoping there's not any big wildfires here.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 06, 2011 06:40 AM (tjim+)

75

#67:

VRWC I tell ya, VRWC!  How long before Biden has to resign with a family emergency or comes down with terminal cancer or something like that?  I don't put anything past this assclown.  Watch as his numbers shrink even further, Hillary comes out of the closet (Figurativley speaking ofcourse) and has to take over the reigns of the VP and the socalled PUMA's and fencesitters jump the Obama/Clinton bandwagon.

Posted by: Ron at September 06, 2011 06:41 AM (g+yPx)

76 Every Republican politician should make it known that they do not need lessons in "putting country first" from a party that has repeatedly put themselves first every time they can get away with it.  This is one of the most offensive things Obama has ever uttered.

Posted by: sherlock at September 06, 2011 06:43 AM (U+goV)

77 "a silver lining for Obama, it's that a combined 70 percent of respondents still find him likeable"

Yeah, I'm sure that even Jack the Ripper can host a lovely dinner party

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 06, 2011 06:44 AM (e8kgV)

78 Anyone mention the stuttering clusterfuck of a misreable failure yet?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 06, 2011 06:45 AM (nKQNh)

79 76

#67:

VRWC I tell ya, VRWC!  How long before Biden has to resign with a family emergency or comes down with terminal cancer or something like that?  I don't put anything past this assclown.  Watch as his numbers shrink even further, Hillary comes out of the closet (Figurativley speaking ofcourse) and has to take over the reigns of the VP and the socalled PUMA's and fencesitters jump the Obama/Clinton bandwagon.

 

Just an observation: Mac Daddy's cannot be seen needing the support of the Ho. If the Ho is elevated, then the whole Mac Daddy image is destroyed. Its sort of like castration. I don't see putting Hillary on the ticket as helping either Hillary or Sparky. Blacks will never forgive her. They will just project some bullshit to explain Sparky's failures - while holding Hillary responsible for the desparate and failed act of upstaging their man. Just sayin. The core support of Sparky is all emo  - the press knows this - and so do I.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 06:46 AM (0M3AQ)

80 67 This is really impossible. How can a progressive administration manned by intellectuals from the Ivy Leagues fail? It is impossible. Certainly someone or somebodies are conspiring to harm the plans of the secular priesthood. This cannot be allowed to stand. Where is MSM to explain this?

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 10:29 AM (0M3AQ)

Because Americans are idiots, that's why! If Americans are dumb enough to grant George Bush two terms, they're dumb enough to limit Barack Obama to one!

Read my book, damnit! And listen to my sports opinions every Saturday morning on NPR's "Only a Game"!

Posted by: Charlie Pierce - Annoying "sports" commentor on NPR at September 06, 2011 06:47 AM (cv5Iw)

81

Why would Clinton want to jump on this SCOAMF ship?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 06, 2011 06:48 AM (nKQNh)

82
But Intrade has Obama up by 20%!!!!!!!


mmmmm.......I love that new poll-thread smell.

Posted by: In before the troll at September 06, 2011 06:48 AM (3AuGS)

83

#67:

VRWC I tell ya, VRWC!  How long before Biden has to resign with a family emergency or comes down with terminal cancer or something like that?  I don't put anything past this assclown.  Watch as his numbers shrink even further, Hillary comes out of the closet (Figurativley speaking ofcourse) and has to take over the reigns of the VP and the socalled PUMA's and fencesitters jump the Obama/Clinton bandwagon.

Posted by: Ron at September 06, 2011 10:41 AM (g+yPx)

I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Posted by: Havedash at September 06, 2011 06:48 AM (sFD5n)

84 DOW down 303. Weee!!! We need another speech quick.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 06:49 AM (0M3AQ)

85 O/T:Sons of Anarchy starts back up tonight.

Posted by: sig at September 06, 2011 06:50 AM (0GV9m)

86 Larry Sabato in the WSJ:

Republicans therefore are a lock or lead in 24 states for 206 electoral votes, and Democrats have or lead in 19 states for 247 electoral votes. That's why seven super-swing states with 85 electors will determine which party gets to the magic number of 270 electoral votes: Colorado (9), Florida (29), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), New Hampshire (4), Ohio (1 and Virginia (13).

I'm trying to figure out how we don't lose CO, NH, and at least one of the IA/NV 6.  If he's on target with this assessment, there is almost no wiggle room for the R candidate.  This is a lot less optimistic for our side than I would have hoped, based on the SCOAMF August of Doom.   

Posted by: The Hammer at September 06, 2011 06:53 AM (7WMGf)

87 Geez, I wish it would rain.  OK is as dry as TX right now.  Everyone is holding their breath hoping there's not any big wildfires here.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 06, 2011 10:40 AM (tjim+)

Hopefully not, but if you do get wildfires, I bet Gov. Fallin just responds via phone and email, because it's not like she's actually going to try putting the fires out with her bare hands like dipshit Perry. /

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 06, 2011 06:57 AM (TUax9)

88 The only "poll" that counts is the one in Nov. 2012.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at September 06, 2011 07:01 AM (iRlbA)

89 “One big speech rarely changes the numbers,” Rove said Friday on Fox News. “In fact, I think the administration has made a little bit of a tactical mistake here by building up the expectations for this speech almost to a point where it’s impossible to satisfy. … The president said, ‘I’m going to go make a speech to get bipartisan support from Congress for these proposals,’ and then he sent out an e-mail — which I received a copy of — that says to tell Congress to stop playing political games. Look, if you’re trying to build political allies to get something big done for the country, you don’t immediately send out a fundraising email signed by the president decrying the political opposition for opposing a plan you have yet to lay out. This seems to me to show that this is more about politics than the economy.”

Posted by: Barney Frank at September 06, 2011 07:08 AM (e8kgV)

90

87 Larry Sabato in the WSJ:

Republicans therefore are a lock or lead in 24 states for 206 electoral votes, and Democrats have or lead in 19 states for 247 electoral votes. That's why seven super-swing states with 85 electors will determine which party gets to the magic number of 270 electoral votes: Colorado (9), Florida (29), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), New Hampshire (4), Ohio (1 and Virginia (13).

I'm trying to figure out how we don't lose CO, NH, and at least one of the IA/NV 6.  If he's on target with this assessment, there is almost no wiggle room for the R candidate.  This is a lot less optimistic for our side than I would have hoped, based on the SCOAMF August of Doom.   

 

Pubbies take FL, VA and CO without a breaking a sweat. Should be a no - brainer in NH, but one has to account for the trustafarian vote. At this point I would give OH to pubbies. Larry Sabato is a skunk Dem pretending to be objective. If you don't believe me, just as George Allen. His analysis is slanted to pretend there will be a horse race so his skills will be employed. Bottom line is 2012 is the enema we have all been looking for. Sparky is the buttplug. Avalanche - Tsunami - Blowout - pick your descriptor. None of it favors teh won.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 07:10 AM (0M3AQ)

91 Sabato includes Pennsylvania and New Mexico in the Dem numbers. Smells like bullshit.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 06, 2011 07:13 AM (TUax9)

92 32 Larry Sabato says it boils down to seven states (WSJ link):
"seven super-swing states with 85 electors will determine which party gets to the magic number of 270 electoral votes: Colorado (9), Florida (29), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), New Hampshire (4), Ohio (1 and Virginia (13)"

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 09:57 AM (5H6zj)


I'm glad it was that hack Larry Sabato--a joke and favorite of the MFM.  Were it anyone credible (e.g. Michael Barone), I would be worried. 


Posted by: observer at September 06, 2011 07:14 AM (B1fe1)

93 I really don't get the hate for the Tea Party. I think it will be the excuse for a bunch of "theoretical" Republicans to vote Obama again. You know, "theoretical" republicans are those who should vote Republican but somehow get hung up on creationism or whatever.

Posted by: sexypig at September 06, 2011 07:16 AM (UmEOs)

94

It won't be Biden, it'll be Obama himself.  The Dem bigwigs will force an ouster behind the scenes, offering him the chance to step aside due to "illness" and take up a cushy speaking gig, or possible an ambassadorship somewhere.  He'll step aside and give his blessing to a successor.  All of this will happen in the final weeks of the election, so that a fresh Democrat is facing a bruised and battered Perry campaign.

Posted by: Alex at September 06, 2011 07:20 AM (J2ejK)

95

Republicans therefore are a lock or lead in 24 states for 206 electoral votes, and Democrats have or lead in 19 states for 247 electoral votes. That's why seven super-swing states with 85 electors will determine which party gets to the magic number of 270 electoral votes: Colorado (9), Florida (29), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), New Hampshire (4), Ohio (1 and Virginia (13).

I don't see how in hell we lose Iowa.  Stranger things have happened I suppose, but c'mon.

The rest could be toss-ups, and honestly....IMHO look more winnable by a nominee with the initials M.R. than one with the initials R.P.

(scurries away)

 

 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 06, 2011 07:21 AM (b68Df)

96

WTF?  Who ARE these people?!  That number is way too high to be blacks & union members.

My inlaws are wealthy professionals living in a pink bubble in Princeton.  Progressives all.  Bitterly disappointed that m'Bonga didn't get 'single payer', and very unhappy that he is led around by the nose by the TEA party and those viscious take-no-prisoners ReTHUGlicans.

So...blacks, unions, and dwellers in wealthy pink bubble-enclaves.

 

Posted by: trainer at September 06, 2011 07:26 AM (Rojyk)

97 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 06, 2011 07:28 AM (fyOgS)

98 Obama could take a dump on Thursday and the reporting will be that he gave a speech that "knocked it out of the park".

Posted by: kansas at September 06, 2011 07:29 AM (SjdO4)

99 I don't think rdb is being fair to Romney on the sidebar:

"At best, government can provide a framework in which economic growth can occur." (Read: "cash.")

I read "regulatory environment" where he reads "cash." 

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 07:29 AM (5H6zj)

100

The rest could be toss-ups, and honestly....IMHO look more winnable by a nominee with the initials M.R. than one with the initials R.P.

(scurries away)

---

I'm not sure Mitt is more electable than Rick.  The focus right now is on the subset of Evangelicals who hate Mormons, but going into the general you have to factor in the polling that show libs are even more biased against Mormons than conservatives are.  As soon as Mitt gets into the general the gay activists and their collaborators are going to go bonkers. 

IMHO, Romney and Perry are about the same on the electability scale.  Perry could actually have an edge because he'd be more able to mobilize the base.

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 07:33 AM (5H6zj)

101 Hopefully not, but if you do get wildfires, I bet Gov. Fallin just responds via phone and email, because it's not like she's actually going to try putting the fires out with her bare hands like dipshit Perry. /

Remembering how much crap Christie took for not being on scene when NJ had its floods or whatever it was a while back and seeing the pictures of smoke towering over Texas' capitol, I'm thinking Perry made the right call on this one. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 07:36 AM (5H6zj)

102 On "Handling the economy " Obama is at 42%, the GOP is at 39

Unbelievable.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at September 06, 2011 07:40 AM (ehEyA)

103 “One big speech rarely changes the numbers,” Rove said Friday on Fox News. “In fact, I think the administration has made a little bit of a tactical mistake here by building up the expectations for this speech almost to a point where it’s impossible to satisfy. … The president said, ‘I’m going to go make a speech to get bipartisan support from Congress for these proposals,’ and then he sent out an e-mail — which I received a copy of — that says to tell Congress to stop playing political games. Look, if you’re trying to build political allies to get something big done for the country, you don’t immediately send out a fundraising email signed by the president decrying the political opposition for opposing a plan you have yet to lay out. This seems to me to show that this is more about politics than the economy.”

All GOP Senators and Congressones should hold up a copy of the Obama fundraiser and tell the media that we're going to do our part and oppose the President's plan ... just like he has instructed us to do.

Posted by: Barney Frank at September 06, 2011 07:43 AM (e8kgV)

104 One advantage that Perry has over Romney is that, having come up through the rough-and-tumble of Texas politics, he's tougher than Romney, more tried by fire. Given that 2012 probably will be the dirtiest election in my lifetime (and I vividly remember both 1960 and 196 , toughness will be essential.

Posted by: Brown Line at September 06, 2011 07:50 AM (CEmtf)

105 Yeah, and I'm nuts for saying we win Pennsylvania...

Posted by: CAC at September 06, 2011 08:11 AM (JEVge)

106 A person commenting on the No Quarter blog thinks the dems will put up a Cuomo/Christie ticket rather than Obama/Hillary ticket.

Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 06, 2011 08:13 AM (6IV8T)

107 I was on vacation this weekend and met an Obama delegate. She is a huge fundraiser and an unwaivering supporter of O, as were all the people I was with. Apparently, they (I'm not clear on who "they" are) have consulted with a psychologist to interpret what is going on with O's actions and they believe that he WANTS to lose re- election. The O supporter meme goes that Michelle is afraid for his life and thinks he should leave office, so he is PURPOSEFULLY being a terrible president. Other apologist talking points were:

- O is rational/logical and people don't respond to that.

- O is an intellectual and doesn't have the ability to "dumb down" and communicate to the common man.

I do want to add that these are very kind, smart people, albeit very liberal. I think we'll find a lot of this, people who are making excuses for Obama. Obama was very astute when he said,  "I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views." I think that liberals are doing this and will continue to do so. The re-election campaign will not be O vs A Republican, it will be what people want O to be vs. A Republican.

The only way to combat this is for Republicans to start marketing themselves better. I'm sick to death of people assuming I'm a racist/fat cat/greedy/bible-thumping yokel as soon as I out myself as a repub (which is almost never). Why do we have this reputation? We can blame some of it on the media, but at the end of the day, we aren't combating this slander  effectively. We need to make it more palatable for moderates on the other side to come on over and join us.

Posted by: slyceej at September 06, 2011 08:37 AM (hvoTV)

108 The poll sample is 1,001 adults and...

So basically, about 39% of those adults actually are able to think, and 40-42% of them are fucking idiots.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 06, 2011 08:43 AM (1rHeD)

109 "Why do we have this reputation?" Because your "very kind, smart people, albeit very liberal" types slander the fuck out of us every opportunity they get. See them for what they are.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 06, 2011 08:56 AM (cbyrC)

110 "it's that a combined 70 percent of respondents still find him likeabl"

I just don't get this.  I honestly don't.
He is easily the most unlikeable President I've ever seen.

As much as I despise his policies, I actually loathe him MORE as a person.
I can't stand the guy.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at September 06, 2011 10:58 AM (dM1NM)

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