1 But if you just put on these sunglasses...

2 I think Trump sort of won, by Obama punching down, but Obama totally lost. He gave in to a guy they would like to portray as a huckster.

And like you say, Ace, this will not stop the conspiracy theory. It may take people's minds off the Fed presser, tho. 

What? There's a problem with the economy?

3 When's he going to release his MENSA membership?

4 Gonna liveblog Bernanke ace ?

5 Cut and Paste.

6

Have to hand it to Obama and Crew, the pure blissful fun they have had playing a game with this, ''wasted time on silliness,' why Yes Mr. President because you wouldn't be transparent from the beginning, never took the job as President seriopus;ly for All Americans, . It is similar to your flipping people off you don't like .

stay classy

7 But this does prove what a manipulative jackass B.O. is ... what good reason was there to delay until now, and not release it two years ago?

8 Bernanke is practicing lying in front of a mirror right now.

9 don't worry, Chuck Johnson will get to the bottom of this.

10 I'm prepared to be satisfied as long as the document survives "normal" scrutiny, i.e. as long as we don't hear something like "well, Hawaii couldn't find it so they created one at the president's request." 

11 Bwahhahahaha,, A private citizen just brow beat a sitting POTUS into releasing a document that he would have liked to keep under wraps. Better to keep playing the loons on the line then set the hook. POTUS must have some internal polling showing things are starting to get to a point beyond recovery. Damage control.

12 Now we can return to the question of whether Obama is a Sharpton (rather than Trump).

13 But if you just put on these sunglasses...

Nice.

14

This is a total non-event.  Why wasn't this released during the campaign?  Hey Obama, save the secrecy for Classified material! 

It's funny how Wiki-Leaks has millions of classified documents, but the world has to wait years for a perfectly normal birth certificate and we still don't have college transcripts from the leader of the free world.

15 The book has sunk to #28 on amazon.com (note that an AoS-approved book is now #3).    What's the record for most cancellations of a pre-published book in one day?

16 See all you dumb ass's he was born in the US. You lose clowns so lets get behind Obama and support him to fix this country !!!!!!!!!!!!

17 Yes. But Obama's first haircut was in Indonesia. I am pretty sure that makes him ineligible to be President.

18 From a purely tactical stand point, they should have waited until farther in the Republican primaries to do this. Trump isn't a contender IMHO but he keeps the question out there as he tries to gain market share in the primary votes. He'd force the issue to be addressed by other primary candidates. Then, a few debates in, you drop this, still far ahead of the main election, and kill off whatever part of the field didn't disagree. Also, you keep the issue in front of independants during the Primary so as to try to damage the entire GOP brand just by the amount of time that gets spent on it.

Politically, Team Obama just strengthened Karl Rove and everyone that called this a distraction while only damaging Trump. Some advisor needs to get taken to the wood shed over that.

19 But this does prove what a manipulative jackass B.O. is ... what good reason was there to delay until now, and not release it two years ago?

Posted by: Tonawanda

 

This. Was this a game being played the entire time? If so, it was shabby, and not indictative of hope and change. Was this part of a general stonewalling of any and all personal records, since he of all people knew how to exploit other peoples records for gain? We get the same answer.

20 As someone asking to see the birth certificate, I'm taking a "trust, but verify" attitude.

Okay, he's released it.  Okay, to my untrained eye it seems legit.  Therefore I will treat it as legit until someone with actual credentials and evidence beyond font-problems comes forward to debunk what was released.

I'll also point out that it verified that, by the Founder's understanding, Barack Obama is not a "natural born citizen."  That fact isn't worth much, since no one wants to consider what the founders meant by that phrase, but it's nice to have confirmation all the same.

I'll also sort of agree with PJ- this was a "win" for our side.  I could only see two reasons that Obama would authorize the release of his Long Form cert.  1: To truly damage a political opponent who had gone "all-in" on the birth certificate.  Even Trump (the most visible "birther" currently) only said, "He hasn't released it, why not?" so that doesn't really work.  2: Because it was hurting him more to keep it hidden than to release it.  I think that's where we got: when 62% (according to yesterday's Drudge headline) of the American people aren't sure you were born in the US, you're starting to have a real problem.

21

I don't think FR

Is Ground Zero for Birthers...

But we have our share.

22 I can't imagine a scenario in which B+ Hussein comes out of this looking good.  Right now he appears like a petulant weenie who witlessly tried to obfuscate something for no good reason.

23 the lesson here is that any Republican that wants to be president will be emboldened to finally treat this guy like the garden variety politician that he is. Trump was successful because of his disdain for the guy, not in spite of it.

24

Line 9. Father's Race -African.  Because everyone called Negroes Africans in 1961, that's why.

 

25 So does it say anything about mental retardation?

26 It's fake, but accurate.

27 I like the white glow effect around all of the text. Makes it really stand out against the background. Nicely done.

28 Well I'm now prepared to be satisfied.  If there's nothing there, then I'm glad.  I do agree with Willow and Tonawanda.  All this proves is what a manipulative jerk the guy is.  He could have released it years ago and stopped this nonsense. 

Now release your school records and passport file, which should have been done when he was a candidate in '08.  Stop wasting our time and just release them.

29 This is good... the biggest reason I wanted him to release it was the question of what would be the rule had it been discovered.. or proven.. years down the road that he was not born in Hawaii, and was in fact born in Kenya... Would every law that he passed be void? Every executive order? What would we do, roll back everything? Money was already spent, things already started. That would have been crazy. Thankfully though he finally released the damn thing, the same day Bernanke is holding his press conference.

30 Barry was certainly thin-skinned and snarky during his presser.  Not at all presidential.

But he's in a hurry.  He and Moochelle have a show to do on Orca.  Priorities, and all.

31 Trump won this issue for us. There was nothing interesting on the BC that Obama was trying to hide (Muslim, Frank Marshall Davis is the daddy, nothing), he simply wanted to stoke the flames so he could release this thing a month before the election and gain a little sympathy. Trump's poll numbers scared Obama, Obama releases this BC way too early in order to deflate Trump, Trump and the birthers will look like fools for a few weeks, but then it will settle in that Obama is a petty man playing silly political games while the country is on the brink. Trump getting this thing released is a win for us.

32 Our president withheld this because this now becomes a crack in the shield.  He is afraid he will now be compelled to release college transcripts where I think he listed himself as Kenyan or Indian for financial aid/admission reasons.

33 Oh yeah and underneath Trump's, err, hair, is, well- did you ever see that little alien in Independence Day?

34 Hey, dumb ass, it's "dumb asses."

You're also missing a comma between "lose" and "clowns."
As well as missing an apostrophe between the "t" and the "s" in "let's."

As far as getting behind Obama? Only if it's while he's being frogmarched out of DC.

35

I think they've used their long form needle to pop Trumps birther balloon sooner than the WH would have liked to.

36 What a colossal asshole. He said, 'We don't have time for this silliness - we have better things to do."

Um, so why didn't you just release it during the campaign like every other President has done?

37 In the section titled "Identifying marks", someone wrote in "666".

huh.

38 I wanted Teh Won to release it, and he did. Is it valid? Don't know. Doesn't matter, because at this point, there is NO WAY he would have ever been removed from office even if was found out that he was born in freaking Moscow. Or Mars.

However, this is a huge WIN for Donald Trump. He forced Teh Won to do something no one else has done.

I hope The Donald starts talking about Obama's school records and his social security number.

39 33 Our president withheld this because this now becomes a crack in the shield.  He is afraid he will now be compelled to release college transcripts where I think he listed himself as Kenyan or Indian for financial aid/admission reasons.

This.

40

Looks like a natural fake to me.

 

41 Corsi wasn't such a huckster when he swiftboated Kerry. The White House probably put Trump up to this to discourage book sales.

42 I hope The Donald starts talking about Obama's school records and his social security number.

Oh, definitely the social security numbers please.

43 But if you just put on these sunglasses... Posted by: Roddy Pipper at April 27, 2011 10:39 AM (JEVge) ROFL!

44 What a colossal asshole. He said, 'We don't have time for this silliness - we have better things to do."

Now please excuse me.  I have a talk show to do in Chicago and three fund-raisers in NYC later today.

45 but then it will settle in that Obama is a petty man playing silly political games while the country is on the brink. Trump getting this thing released is a win for us.

Posted by: mugiwara

 

Newsflash! 27 April 2011. Candidate Barack Obama just completed submitting all requisite materials for the job he spent over $500 million dollars campaiging for. Back in November of 2008. he was quoted as saying. " I am going to deliver the same laser-like focus to all the nations' issues. For example, with me around, unemployment will stay below 9%."

 

If anyone had brains, they'd run this.

46 Posted by: mugiwara at April 27, 2011 10:48 AM (W7ffl) This. Bambi took the issue off the table but looked petty and unpresidential while doing it. Plus now the GOP can ignore the birther issue and move on now. There are many fatter, juicier targets out there to hit.

47 Obama releases long form birth certificate, Chris Matthews hardest hit.

48 And for his next trick, Donald Trump will show Obama is really a women and was indeed put on the HLR as an affirmative action placement. But it was really because of his (her?) gender.

Oh my, what does that say about the authenticity of his (her?) birth certificate???

49 Now Trump can focus all his time on the college records.

50 Hey, all you NYC morons.  Enjoy your evening commute.

MYFOXNY.COM - President Obama is going to be in New York City for the third time in a month on Wednesday, and this visit could create a real nightmare of an evening commute.

Obama's motorcade could force the closure of the FDR Drive from Wall St. to E. 61st St. from 5 p.m. to 5:30 p.m.

Fifth Avenue from East 89th to East 59th streets will be closed from 6 to 7:30 p.m. Central Park's transverse roads along with all avenues from York to Fifth could be blocked during that period.

51 As Ace said, some will never be convinced by ANYTHING. So, in this sense, he gained nothing with them.

However....

For more than 3 years, Obama and his people have claimed that THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a "long form birth certificate." They claimed that "Birthers" were asking for something WHICH DIDN'T EXIST.

They were unreasonable.

They were CRAAAZZZY....

But it turns out:

THEY WERE RIGHT

Obama could have produced this ANY TIME HE WANTED.

And THAT is where I think that most rational people are going to end up on this issue:

"He could have produced this thing any time he wanted to. Why on earth did he let things get this out of control before he FINALLY produced the evidence that people have been asking for since 2007? That doesn't make any sense to me. WHY HAS HE BEEN WASTING OUR TIME?????"

I think that, at the end of the day, Obama actually winds up a BIG loser on this issue. He and his people have now been proven LIARS on the issue: they have produced what they said did not exist after wasting 3 years, millions of dollars, and tying up the court system wastefully.

It's a symbol of his entire presidency, and I think he will actually wind up regretting putting this out there.

52 The media is feeling hurt because Obama blamed them for helping to cause this "distraction".

53 If we're going to talk "conspiracy" theorists and how it's impossible to convince them (absolutely true), let's not forget to look at how much it has taken to try to convince people about the sheer falsehood of the Anthropogenic Global Warming. Most of our lords and masters are still true believers in that crap despite all the evidence to the contrary.

And you can feel free to apply this to virtually all of liberalism/collectivism. The deluge of concrete proof against it somehow does not ever touch that population with a ten foot pole.

54 Is a "Certificate of Live Birth" different from a "Birth Certificate?" Not pointing to a conspiracy, just asking a question.

55 Posted by: CLP at April 27, 2011 10:48 AM (vSBLw)

Ummm...I think the post was meant to be funny.  At least that's how I took it.

56 I don't think comments at FR about this have been/are much different than comments here...but you use them as an example of people who are unconvinced?

57

He said, 'We don't have time for this silliness - we have better things to do."
"When's my T time?"

FIFY

What's with the Royal "we" anyhow?  I thought only Zero could produce this thing that the so many officials of the State of Hawaii said couldn't be produced in long form anymore.

58

another thing that should be pointed out, He let a military guy, one who fights at our countries behalf, sit in waiting ,For What? for something the President should have released as other have previously his documentation required!

srsly This President is Not Presidential but is a little game player that does not take His positition srsly. 

o and gth mfm

a total  schmuck

59 So what's the timeling of his name being changed to Barry Soroto and back to Barack Husein Obama.  I still have absolutely no trust for this commie lying POS.  Trump, anothersupreme egotist I can't stand, forced his hand on this but there is so much more.  For a guy who has several biographys out we know very little about him.

60

I'm guessing that Corsi's book was a "come for the lack of b.c., stay for the rest of the questions kind of deal.

 

Without having publishing industry contacts, I'm guessing there's probably one on-point and potentially damaging thing in Corsi's book, but now the Obama backers and the MFM (BIRM) can scream "Old news!  Asked and answered!  Old news!  Asked and Answered!"  like Bill Clinton's flacks back in the day.

 

For my part, I would love to hear how an American private citizen got into Pakistan in '81. 

61 Does Michelle's obsession with obesity make her a "Girther"?

62

I just have one thing to say and I'm not going to say anything about this again;

kerning.

63 This will change some minds, but, as I was just saying, those who have invested emotionally in a conspiracy theory tend to have non-rational reasons for believing in the conspiracy theory in the first place.

Ah, those conspiring Founding Fathers with their conspiratorial Constitution!

Revisionists adore convenience and abhor the authentic. Usurped words, just words assimilated into virtual vocabulary. Through repetitive usage meant to denigrate the authentic, impose the opposite meaning over the original.

Drop the "conspiracy" attack against those who uphold and defend the US Constitution, Ace. 

Obama enablers spun the whole cloth campaign against constitutional conservatism, AS IF being born within the US or being naturalized a citizen ever entirely comprised the Founders' principle that the natural born citizen has both parents US citizens along with the birth taking place in the USA.

First Principles vs. Corruption as if Precedence

64

I hope this madness is now over but I doubt it is.

This is about politics. If you put on your political hat for a moment you'll see that there are two reasons why Obama released his BC.

1. It was hurting him politically. These little things like "he's a muslim" and "where's his birth certificate?" are starting to add up and take a toll on his image.

2. The Transcripts. THIS is what Obama wants to avoid more than anything. He released another version of his BC in an attempt to stop the inquiries about his school records and the HLR.

We clearly have Obama on the ropes. The worst thing to do now is let up. Keep applying pressure. Keep him on the defensive.

Make the sonofabitch deny it all.

65 He might just be saying that Obama is weak politically and his long-refused release of the birth certificate is evidence of his weaknesss-- what he had previously sneered at as beneath him, he now agrees to do.

That's exactly how I read it. He's releasing this thing with no fanfare a few hours before the first ever press conference by Bernanke in which there is likely to be a bombshell.

Remember how the COLB was released?  I think first on Kos and then a few days later on his own campaign website.

I have no doubt this was hurting him in the polls. Not directly, but it was increasing his negatives in the "secretive" and "pompous" and "asshole" categories.

Ace, the conspiracists will be out in force for about 48 hours and then will slink to the sidelines.

Frankly, I think Trump had a heads up that this was happening which is why you heard about the transcripts. The administration must have thought they could cut off Trump's line of attack, but he started a new one before they could make the big announcement.

66 Politically, Team Obama just strengthened Karl Rove and everyone that called this a distraction while only damaging Trump. You say that like it's a bad thing. He's being much more sportsmanlike than he was with Jack Ryan and Alice Palmer. Beating Hillary and McShame has him feeling pretty cocky.

67 62, you owe me a keyboard and a new cup of coffee!

68 I hate to say it, but the PDF really looks faked -- it just does not look like a scan of a document, or at least it does not look like the text and rules (lines) were scanned along with the green background. Looks to me like someone scanned a document at low color depth (or at a higher color depth and then downsampled it) and then superimposed the near black-and-white scan of the text on the green background. Nothing wrong with that process per se, but it results in something that really looks assembled. In any case, it does not matter. In his heart, Mr. Obama is not an American. It does not matter where he was born.

69 Not for nothing but: Is this really it?

I mean, they're calling it a long-form birth certificate? Is it? I'm not trying to be dense here but is this pretty much the same thing as anyone else born at the same time and place would have received?
The "African" as a race thing I've seen mentioned as not being a category consistent with the classifications at the time--is that true or more BS konspiracy?

Maybe it's 'cause I don't trust this regime. The crowd that can say with a straight face, "It's not a war, it's a kinetic military action" will lie about anything.

So, it is it? Why the hell make such a big deal about keeping it secret, why so many lies and excuses as to why he couldn't/wouldn't produce it?

And yeah, really it doesn't mean anything because the high school and college transcripts are more relevant.  He'll say, "but I already produced my birth certificate and there was nothing there, so I'm not going to produce those." Keep hitting him Trump--it's quite entertaining to see the JEF find out "I won/because I said so" doesn't mean shit to people with real jobs.

70 This photocopy is bullshit. Photocopying did not exist in 1961. This should have come from a mimeograph, or "ditto" machine, which cranked out purple copies that you could get a righteous buzz from when the ink was still damp. RON PAUL WILL PUT US BACK ON THE MIMEOGRAPH STANDARD FOR ALL COPYING, BRAH!

71
Um, so why didn't you just release it during the campaign like every other President has done?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 27, 2011 10:49 AM (OAarG)

Or have a flunkie do it today?

It's not like his credibility is necessary for this thing to be believed.

72 Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 27, 2011 10:53 AM (UOM4

I am walking down to the Pier so I can give him the finger and fell better about it all.

Actually, I think a bit of heckling will do. How about I yell- "yes, we have the birth certificate, but where are your first set of baby shoes"? Hmmm?

73

He said, 'We don't have time for this silliness - we have better things to do."

and yet the JEF let a person go to JAIL rather than release this. THAT isn't sillyness, it's derilection of duty.

74 I thought his step father adopted him.  Then wouldn't he be listed as Obama's father and the birth certificate stamped adopted?  I always thought that was the reason he didn't release it earlier.    

75 A certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate.

Just try to get a passport using the Certificate of Live Birth.

My passport application was rejected using a Certificate of Live Birth and I was told I had to send in a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

I went to another nearby State to obtain my Birth Certificate, Sent it in and received my passport.

76 Miss 80s.  in honesty, the media is as responsible as Obama and crew. They are the handlers of Truth, they knew everything about Sarah Plains womb, but couldn't bring  themselves to heckle Obama into complying with a semi-standard proving of documentation. so for different reasons but yes, And He will get away with blaming them for HIS personal behavior, because they allowed it in the first place.

77
Phase I is complete -- mission accomplished

Now it's time for phase II: the school records.

Obama is nervous. Do not let up, Donald.

78 You got it Ace...

this is chaff and flares over his THESIS not even his grades....

he will have a B to B+ GPA but his Thesis would have established him as either:

1) an out and out marxist like dad...hence "dreams of my father"

2) a wanna-be Je$$e Jack$on style race huckster vis a vis reparations who got wise that that was the political Kiss of death

or a wild card

3) absolutely atrocious writer who was very obviously AA'd his honors.

it has always been about the transcripts/thesis

I want the Ivy League to extend the same right to privacy for Ogabe that George W. Bush got.

79

"However, this is a huge WIN for Donald Trump. He forced Teh Won to do something no one else has done."

 

Have you considered this was the WH plan all along? Build up the Donald to minimize the serious competition? Better yet, build a third party platform for the Donald and do a Clinton three-way on the electorate. Without a 3rd Party candidate, Sparky is road kill in 2012. What advice do you think Billy Jeff gives Sparky? Consider the one thing the Donald loves more than the Donald is money. How hard would it be for the WH to broker a deal where Donald's dynasty gets special treatment for Donald's acting abilities?

80 And now, from the home office in nowhere in particular, the Top Ten Issues The Long Form Birth Certificate Doesn't Resolve

10.)  Neither parent has a family history of neat creases

9.)  Paper of original not available for carbon-14 dating

8.)  Why yes, those are the Dunhams of Insmouth, why do you ask?

7.)  Complete failure to acknowledge connections to Society of Assassins through the Semiconscious Liberation Army

6.)  Credentials for lowering of seas not established

5.)  Still no release of kindergarten records

4.)  I still get no kudos from Breitbart, dammit

3.)  Pictures of Obama being rocked to sleep by Nikita Kruschev remain classified

2.)  No explanation for Ewok hairs found on left margin

And the number one issue left unresolved by this document is...

1.)  Did they have to keep the dang thing under the severed head of Jimmy Hoffa?

81 I have a very similar birth certificate and in the box for "sex" there is a second line for "color."  I think this one has been altered to remove that and type in "Male" where the second question would normally be.  If you look at the "l" in "Male," it is not the same as the the letter "l" where it appears in other places.  I still think he's full of shit with this thing.

82

#76 is exactly what you mean ace.

"The magic words aren't there!  Fake!  Fake!"

83 Real or not I do not care.

We have a freakin socialist sitting in the freakin white house..... this I care about.

84

This proves the theory that Oblabla used this issue to create the whole birthers are whackjobs narrative. And of course the MFM was more than happy to play along, It was like playing a big prank with their bestest buddy!!

 

 

85 and yet the JEF let a person go to JAIL rather than release this. THAT isn't sillyness, it's derilection of duty.

He was just a military officer, one of his underlings.  Meanwhile, he and Moochelle are preparing for another tongue bath from Orca before they head to NYC to tie up traffic and bring home another basket of money.

86 Hmm, what else is going on today?  Bernanke is giving a speech.  Some pretty long in the making personnel changes were announced, and we are still at war in Libya (unofficially).  That strongly worded missive to Assad seems to have worked.  An Afghan officer opened fire on NATO troops.  Don't we run out of money next week?  Oh look, a birth certificate.  The cable news shows will only be talking about Trump v. Obama and the birth certificate.   I hate to give the guy too much credit for deviousness though. 

87 Conservatives are such suckers.

88 Politically, Team Obama just strengthened Karl Rove and everyone that called this a distraction while only damaging Trump.

Actually I think it's just the opposite: Donald Trump got strengthened:

"Look. I got results. People have been asking for this for 3 years, and he did nothing. I started 'asking questions' and they produced it in 2 weeks. I win."

It's the most minor of minor "wins." But people are looking for someone who can get the job done. And like it or not and whether you think it was a distraction or a real issue, Trump forced Obama's hand and "got the job done."

That's going to go a long way with some people, and denying it is denying reality.

89 RON PAUL WILL PUT US BACK ON THE MIMEOGRAPH STANDARD FOR ALL COPYING, BRAH!

Kids these days don't get to experience the heady thrill of breathing in fumes from sheets fresh off the ditto machine.

90 here's a serious question:  Why has he jacked the entire country around with this for two years?   He could have released it and ended the controversy immediately.  He instead fought it in the courts and released a document that he knew would be questioned.  Why?

If this was nothing more than to make some Americans look silly,  it was a juvenile and time-wasting action on his part.   It is the action of a high school mentality,  rather than that of a serious person.

And why didn't the media ask questions about this earlier?  They did nothing but cover for him...unless THEY had seen the long form and were part of this effort   to pull the rug out from under some people.

I still want the grades and school records,  and I still want an explanation of why he got into Pakistan and how.

91

I question the timing.

No seriously, I agree with whomever said upthread that this creates a big news distraction today from economic news. Not that I think Obama looks good by having waited to release something that is perfectly normal. But, I do think this timing was chosen very much on purpose as chum for the media sharks while the Obama Ship of Fools sails elsewhere.

92 Well, at least we know that the WH took a look at the current state of Barry's political vulnerabilities and figured that releasing the birth certificate was less damaging than Bernanke's testimony. 

Which story will lead on the MSM outlets today?

93 Nothing up my sleeve.  At least he kept a few lawyers gainfully employed while this brew-ha-ha was on-going.

94 On what grounds can the WH refuse to release other records? Inflation is here, anyway. It will decide Ebola's fate.

95 Oh, it's certainly over for me, and 95% of the "birthers" who couldn't understand all the weird statements issuing from Hawaii officials. I guess now the problem is why they found it necessary to lie. Why did Chiyome Fukino tell Isikoff it was "half-handwritten" if the only handwritten part is the signatures and they aren't half the document? Why did Hawaii Attorney General Wisch lie and say a copy couldn't be copied and released to the president without violating Hawaii law? Has Hawaii law been violated by putting this precious document on ::GASP:: a photocopier?

96 Meanwhile, America burns as Bernanke fucks the dollar and everyone's savings, retirement, and gas price.  Where's the outrage....

crickets

97 O/T:  The troops killed by the Afghan "officer" were all American.

Where is our CiC on these murders?

98 Frankly, I think Trump had a heads up that this was happening which is why you heard about the transcripts. This cuts off any further discussion of Obama's past. You will never get his school transcripts; Elena Kagan is sitting on the Supreme Court bench now. Likewise with his passport; John Brennan was rewarded with a powerful position as a nat'l sec adviser and asst to the President. Any smoking gun paperwork on Obama, and there is something, will not come out for several years after he's gone.

99

Have you considered this was the WH plan all along? Build up the Donald to minimize the serious competition? Better yet, build a third party platform for the Donald and do a Clinton three-way on the electorate. Without a 3rd Party candidate, Sparky is road kill in 2012. What advice do you think Billy Jeff gives Sparky? Consider the one thing the Donald loves more than the Donald is money. How hard would it be for the WH to broker a deal where Donald's dynasty gets special treatment for Donald's acting abilities?

Posted by: Ginormous Goober DeLarge

agree.

100

Hey CLP (Is that a disease),

   Who died and made you the Pope....Nimrod !!!!

 

101

Naturally, The Donald will strut about proudly claiming some sort of victory. Maybe he'll even start the Trump Detective Agency with offices worldwide, who knows?

Hopefully, he'll continue to be a burr underneath The Vapid One's™ saddle while not officially declaring his candidacy. Thomas Sowell had a great piece about the damage The Donald could do to the GOP. IMHO, he can avoid that by not declaring.

102 Any one else find it interesting she signed it Ann Durham Obama. Also I will not be satisfied until I know Obama's birth weight. I demand answers!

103 Ace, are you now one of those loony "transcripters"?

104 What a colossal asshole. He said, 'We don't have time for this silliness - we have better things to do."

Um, so why didn't you just release it during the campaign like every other President has done?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 27, 2011 10:49 AM (OAarG)

Then he said, now I have to fly to Chicago to be on Oprah. I have better things to do.

105 I still want the grades and school records,  and I still want an explanation of why he got into Pakistan and how.

Me, too, Miss Marple. 

106 by any other name, Wow, you sure threw in a lot of emotionally-charged words suggesting your superiority in a situation in which you're actually factually wrong. I stopped ragging on Birthers long ago, deciding that politically, we need to be united, and if they were possessed of a conspiracy theory they couldn't be argued out of, well, let them have their conspiracy theory, and let's move on, and just all agree Obama should release the birth certificate. But it always was a conspiracy theory. So please don't get all high and mighty with me about the fact you were wrong.

107 Wonderful! it only took Obama 3 fucking years to produce paperwork that I can walk to my fucking filing cabinet to retrieve. I am loving the amount of times I have heard reporters say "We were wondering why Obama didnt just release this a lot sooner!" Really? Thats funny, cause I havent heard a peep from you cocksuckers about this here topic. On a related note: PLEASE STOP SUPPORTING TRUMP! He is a shyster cockbag, and some of you people are falling for the same bullshit that conservatives like my father fell for when Ross Perot ran. Trump was on tv just a few months ago talking about what a "great job" O was doing, and how he was a "wonderful president". Jesus, people, are we that fucking gullible?

108 Average Joe, Proudly. I am a determined "Transcripter." I will accept that term.

109 Also I will not be satisfied until I know Obama's birth weight. I demand answers!

YES.  Let the Weighter movement begin here!

110

The momentum was mounting given Donald, Corsi, extremely negative public opinion polls, and the media turning on The Won.

Row grows over Obama's birth certificate

The right-wing 'birthers', convinced the President was not born in the US and is therefore ineligible to govern, are gaining strength. By Guy Adams in Los Angeles, Sunday 24 April 2011, The Independent

So Obama's handlers respond this hump-day, afraid to wait for Friday's news dump. As if this makes Barry's dad a US citizen posthumously.

111 110 Also I will not be satisfied until I know Obama's birth weight. I demand answers!

YES.  Let the Weighter movement begin here!

Posted by: Slublog at April 27, 2011 11:05 AM (0nqdj)

Coffee.....keyboard......

112 Well, at least we know that the WH took a look at the current state of Barry's political vulnerabilities and figured that releasing the birth certificate was less damaging than Bernanke's testimony. Maybe the BC release was meant to restore investor confidence in the market. When we were watching the Super Bowl was some bank honchos, a Swedish guy said his brother-in-law (wife is a corporate at Chanel) was obsessed with the birther issue, and it looked bad for Obama, like he was hiding something and could be blackmailed.

113

"Hey CLP (Is that a disease),"

 

In my world it was Cleaning, Lubricating and Protectorant for rifles. I prefer rifle bore cleaner. It actually cleans. On the other hand, we wear out more rifles per year using a brass bore brush down a barrel than with bullets. A little military arcania for this inspired thread.

114 >>>I still want the grades and school records, and I still want an explanation of why he got into Pakistan and how. The Pakistan thing is another rat-hole. The assertion keeps being made that at that time, no US passport could get you into Pakistan. In fact, that's not true. I really urge people to read THE OTHER SIDE, the debunkers, and stop relying entirely on claims made from the Birther camp.

115 Also, why wasnt there a post about Boehner saying that our high oil prices were due to the oil companies profits? I cannot wait until that crying-jagoff is out of the speakership. We are being sold out at every opportunity by these phony conservative dickstains.

116 TranscriptFerbot

117

Jane,

The former sailor in me is particularry incensed about that. He got sentenced to Levenworth and DD, IIRC. All because this fuckhead sitting in the persidential office didn't want to be bothered by sillyness.

Someone should run a comercial in all military towns reminding them come the election about the fact teh one felt the need to ruin a military career rather than give simple doumentation.

118
Even a photo copy will show evidence of the raised seal. where's the seal? Just asking.

119

My own dark horse suggestion: Trump whiffed completely on the birth certificate but scored a stand-up double with Obama's grades, and Obama doesn't want that subject being examined, so he decimates Trump Theory Number One to spray Trump Theory Number Two with shrapnel.

Damn, man, can you turn a phrase.  I love it.

120 That's a nice way for a CiC to treat America's soldiers ... as if they didn't deserve to KNOW that the CiC was, indeed, eligible for his command - which the Indonesian isn't, but that still would take the SCOTUS to rule on. Word. Obama is the asshole who cries fire in a crowded movie theatre.

121 4) My own dark horse suggestion: Trump whiffed completely on the birth certificate but scored a stand-up double with Obama's grades, and Obama doesn't want that subject being examined, so he decimates Trump Theory Number One to spray Trump Theory Number Two with shrapnel.

Yeah, I'm leaning towards the "academic records" thing, too.  Not just the grades and courses, but perhaps also the scholarship(s) and honorifics.  I do think it's possible he/his family gamed the system by masquerading as a foreign student to get funding. 

I'm not sure how much damage any of this does, but if I were the other (announced) candidates (GOP) I'd release all of my academic records preemptively. 

122
So we all agree that the release of the school records should be pursued?

123 A certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate.

Just try to get a passport using the Certificate of Live Birth.

My passport application was rejected using a Certificate of Live Birth and I was told I had to send in a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

I went to another nearby State to obtain my Birth Certificate, Sent it in and received my passport.

Posted by: Michael at April 27, 2011 10:58 AM (SlM0z)

Oh jeebus, let it rest. I got by passport renewed 3 years ago using the same document Obama originally released.

We asked to see it, he showed us and he got hammered in the process. It's pretty obvious he has been playing games for 3 years. Now show me the transcripts.

124

It's nice to know that the Indonesian let Col Lakin go to jail instead of releasing this document

that's one of the things that bugs me the most about this issue.

He acted like a total jerk adoloscent with the Power of a god to screw with  people , However He could.

125 Obama has done the GOP a great service. 

Trump was never a credible candidate.  But he could have caused real problems in the primary. 

Fair or not, Trump became the face of the "birther" movement.  His name is synonymous with the conspiracy theory.  Now Trump, along with that theory, has been discredited. 

If Trump runs, he will now serve a useful purpose - as foil for credible candidates wishing to distance themselves from the fringe elements of the party and establishing their seriousness on important issues. 

During a debate:  "I applaud Mr. Trump for having a popular celebrity reality show.  But he is not a serious candidate.  While he was spending his considerable wealth trying to get to the bottom of what the President's birth certificate said, I was busy putting forth a plan to rid this country of its devastating debt and out of control spending.  Which do you think is more important to our country?"

126 I cannot wait until that crying-jagoff is out of the speakership. Col. Allen West should get the Weeping Boner's job.

127
speaking of passports...

did you hear they ask if you're circumcised?

128 YES.  Let the Weighter movement begin here!

Posted by: Slublog

But how will moochele's Grither movement intersect with the Weighter movement?

and what's more important, weight or girth?

129 124
So we all agree that the release of the school records should be pursued?

Well... I guess I would encourage the GOP candidates to release their records and let Trump and bloggers "pursue" it. 

I would not mainstream it. 

130 Has Hawaii law been violated by putting this precious document on ::GASP:: a photocopier?

Posted by: Average Joe at April 27, 2011 11:02 AM (bN5ZU)

Nope.  That's the thing.  You couldn't photocopy it because the Health Dep. of Hawaii guy said there was not a hard copy of his bc, only the one in the computer (digitalized copy).

131 I thought that Trump interview this morn was hilarious.  He is proving very useful for us.

But really, its about time Mr. Osotransparent released this thing and stopped playing the games.  You got to believe this is factual, because his presidency would absolutely be over if it was fake.

Now maybe the media (even though their boyfriend is in the WH) might start smelling kudos and actually investigate more of his past.

132 My, how owdinawy (is your birf certificate).

133 Kind of strange the way it was done.  The certificate of live birth was printed on the green paper which makes it look fake.  Here it is clearly a photo copy but on the White House web site it is on green paper and if you look at many of the letters they are outlined in white which makes it look like a photo shop.  It looks like the green was added digitally after it was scanned.  The press gets to see a version with the state seal emboss but for some reason we don't get to see a picture of that.  Also, the White House named a pdf of it as long form but it still a certificate of live birth. 

134 I really thought it showed his name as Barry Dunham and that was why they werent releasing it.

ah well.

Hey, this means the GOP 'has hand'.

The big O is repsonding to every 'attack' trying to 'get hand'..

heh, fuggedaboudit...

135 Trump has already moved on this morning to demanding Obama release his school records.

The bastard is relentless, I'll give him that.

Still, I'm glad we can put this birther nonsense to rest.  How long until Andrew Sullivan demands Palin's amniocentesis records as "fair trade"?

136 >>>82 I have a very similar birth certificate and in the box for "sex" there is a second line for "color." I think this one has been altered to remove that and type in "Male" where the second question would normally be. If you look at the "l" in "Male," it is not the same as the the letter "l" where it appears in other places. I still think he's full of shit with this thing. This is exactly what happened with the short form. A bunch of people claimed x, y, and z suggested it was false, and thus began the whole conspiracy theory. Then later it was proven, conclusively, that x y and z weren't true, but the conclusion lived on, and just invented new premises for itself. The next premise was "sure, the short-form one may be 'real,' but it's forged, deliberately inaccurate" -- show us the long form! Just as predicted, showing the long form doesn't change anything at all. Because now people just do the same thing with the long form. x, y, and z make me think it's fake... At some point you have to ask yourself if evidence is leading to conclusions, as is the path of reason, or if conclusions are leading to evidence, as is the path of magical thinking and irrationality.

137 77 Miss 80s.  in honesty, the media is as responsible as Obama and crew. They are the handlers of Truth, they knew everything about Sarah Plains womb, but couldn't bring  themselves to heckle Obama into complying with a semi-standard proving of documentation. so for different reasons but yes, And He will get away with blaming them for HIS personal behavior, because they allowed it in the first place.

I agree; it's the multiple levels of irony with this situation which I find amusing.

138 i dont care what his Long Form Birth Certificate says. i still think he was born under a rock and his Papa was a snake.

139 119

Jane,

The former sailor in me is particularry incensed about that. He got sentenced to Levenworth and DD, IIRC. All because this fuckhead sitting in the persidential office didn't want to be bothered by sillyness.

Someone should run a comercial in all military towns reminding them come the election about the fact teh one felt the need to ruin a military career rather than give simple doumentation.

Todler, I know.  I'll bet Orca goes on and on about his and Moochelle's "support" of the military on her show.  Makes me furious.

140 All of this "controversy" is laughable. A couple of comments regarding the "questions" surrounding the authenticity of this document. P.M. - as was suggested by another poster, the form may have been pre-printed with "M." to speed completion of the form by manual typewriter much in the same way checks are/were often printed "19___" or "20__". Non-issue. Sotero vs Obama - the guy's father was named Obama and his mother didn't marry Sotero until later so why would his last name be listed as Sotero on the birth certificate? Signatures - they aren't even close! Compare the capital A and D, the lowercase a - non-issue. Certificate number - may be a simple issue of typing the forms based on taking the information from the top of the stack of an in-basket where the most recent might be on top of the stack which would/could lead to numbering not corresponding with birth times. Non-issue. Dates - my wife and I took 3 days to name our daughter (who was 4 weeks early) so there are several dates on her certificate. The registrar may not have been working the day he was born, may have been on vacation, or may only sign the things once a week. Again, not an issue. Security paper - look at the date on the bottom of the document - April 25, 2011. The document reproduced is a photocopy of the original on security paper that was certified on April 25, 2011. They don't hand out the original folks, they make copies and certifiy that it's a true and accurate copy of the original (look at what the registrar testifies to above his signature). When I requested copies of my childrens' birth certificates from another state, that's exactly what I got - photocopies of originals on new security paper. Nevermind that I have another copy for each child on different security paper that was produced earlier and signed by a different registrar. Another non-issue. This whole consipiracy theory is much ado about nothing.

141 Why all the pencil marks all over it?

142

"It's nice to know that the Indonesian let Col Lakin go to jail instead of releasing this document"

 

Isn't Col Lakin a white guy? Explains everything. Chi-town Sparky giving it to the man. Quite the disturb little mindset, but look where its got him?

143 Wait, wait...does this mean Sarah Palin will be forced to release her amniocentesis results?

SULLIVAAAAAANNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

144 130 and what's more important, weight or girth?

Hey, what about me?!

145 128 I cannot wait until that crying-jagoff is out of the speakership.

Col. Allen West should get the Weeping Boner's job.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 27, 2011 11:10 AM (mHQ7T)

I heard that! *wipes away tears*

146 It looks to me like the White House threw their friends media under the bus in more than one sense.

The talking points from media on this have always been:

1) he released it already! (something Shep Smith reportedly yelled on air this weekend, I believe)

2) what was released (prior to today) is the only kind of document Hawaii makes available

3) the original is lost/unavailable

It was always the media hammering talking point 2 that annoyed me, since anyone who has applied for a passport who knows the difference between a long form BC (with the hospital, attending physician, birthplace of parents, mother's signature, etc.) and what had been released by the Obama campaign.

Does this mean that all of the major news outlets, including Fox, were, ahem, wrong, particularly when it comes to the "he released it already" explanation?

Awaiting retractions. . . .

147 I am a newly-converted Transcripter.

Welcome! The water is juuuuuuuust fine!

148 I repeat my call for Malia and Sasha's birth certificates. The American people need to know what stunt cocks they brought in for those unpleasant chores. Michelle may have bitten their heads off after mating, but we deserve to know who these brave Americans were.

149
Trump's presser was excellent. He man-handled those media bitches.

If you watched or listened to it, you noticed that Donald managed to steer his answers to make a lot of other points about gas prices and about how Obama is lazy.

150 I thought Bill Whittle's expose was excellent. His grandparents were commies, his mother was a commie, and immediately spread her legs for a Marxist and produced another little commie, our president.

151 I do think it's possible he/his family gamed the system by masquerading as a foreign student to get funding. That possibility has crossed my mind.

152 Tami-- I quoted Free Republic because I saw them making that type of argument. I didn't quote people here becaused I hadn't posted the thread yet, so I didn't have anything here to quote. Or so I thought. You are probably meaning that people were saying this in the open headlines thread -- I didn't think of that, I didn't check that thread. I assumed (it seems so dumb now to assume this, but I just woke up!) that people were waiting for a specific thread to discuss this in. Honestly, I did not give the matter much thought. I didn't think to check my own site. I stupidly thought ah, people are waiting to discuss this until we have a thread. Actually I didn't consciously think that, but I guess I thought that, if you understand my distinction. Like I said, I'm tired, and have had insomnia three nights running.

153 My prediction is he will eventually release the college records, the sharks are out, there is blood in the water.

154 Yeah, I can feel the stupid "But what ifs!" stirring beneath me, which shows I was more of a stupid Birther than the rational thinker I wanted me to be.

So that's great. Nothing like waking up on Wed and realizing that there's a firm layer of stupid deep in your soul.

155 I thought Bill Whittle's expose was excellent. It's well-documented, too; much of it was in a Time article and Ryan Lizza's New Yorker piece.

156 Still doesn't prove he's not reptilian.

157

Wait, does this mean that Obama could be related to Jeff Dunham, and in turn, to Achmed the Dead Terrorist?

158 [Goober, your racist jagoff schtick is getting old. Clean up your stupidity or I'll clean you off the site. -- Ace.]

159 129 speaking of passports... did you hear they ask if you're circumcised? Posted by: Soothsayer, over easy at April 27, 2011 11:11 AM (uFokq) That's a good question -- is the president cut or uncut? The people have a right to know! I'm a proud Foreskinner!

160 When you get rolled by The Donald you are losing.

161

Honestly, I did not give the matter much thought. I didn't think to check my own site. I stupidly thought ah, people are waiting to discuss this until we have a thread.

If we waited for threads we'd never get anything done around here.

162 willow, I put your comment into the main post.

163 Donald Trump ... gets things done!

164 strange that the PDF is a layered file. not necessarily apropo of anything, just wouldn't expect a scan  to be made of multiple images on top of one another.

i.e. the white 'haloing' around the text, the grid pattern, some of the text and the entire Doctor's signature are all one image, while most of the black text is another image, and the stamps are separate images as well.

oh and it was created by a mac via 'preview' or at least saved by preview as a last step.

165 If you watched or listened to it, you noticed that Donald managed to steer his answers to make a lot of other points about gas prices and about how Obama is lazy. "Lazy" is never a good charge to level at a black man, especially when you're backpedaling from a conspiracy theory. Trump finished a lot sooner than the 45 days I expected him to be useful, which convinces me he was always Obama's guy.

166 rockhead, well, I said it was stupid, didn't I?

167 I am loving the fact that some of my lefty facebook friends are backslapping each other on how this supposedly hurts Republicans, when it took almost his entire term to release this most basic of papers. This also does nothing to quell my interest in Obamas lofty G.P.A. and hidden transcripts, but I'd rather see a B.C. than have fucking Trump make political gains by being able to use it.

168 Because of who he is and how he acts, its weird with this guy, because everything he does I get a "what's the other hand doing? thought".

He was really pissed in that conference I thought.  I think he thought D T would be made to look silly, but D T stands up and says "Behold, Look Upon Me and What I Have Achieved!"

169 oh and it was created by a mac via 'preview' or at least saved by preview as a last step. Posted by: negentropy at April 27, 2011 11:19 AM (27KAF) Probably a 20-year-old Axelturfer.

170 speaking of passports... did you hear they ask if you're circumcised? I don't know if that's true or not. I had it out already when I walked into the office.

171 147 130 and what's more important, weight or girth?

Hey, what about me?!

Posted by: Length

THAT'S why i love this place. You throw out a softball, and someone hits it out of the park.

172 I assumed (it seems so dumb now to assume this, but I just woke up!) that people were waiting for a specific thread to discuss this in.

This makes me smile. 

We are addicts, ace, and you're our dealer.  Shady Ace the Opium Man. 

Like I said, I'm tired, and have had insomnia three nights running.

My husband's doc recommended that 5-HTP stuff (you can find it a Walmart or at those stores that sell supplements).  I read up on it and am convinced it's safe.  He tried it but we couldn't tell if it was helping... but I don't think it would hurt to try it. 

173 Let the Weighter movement begin here!

Oui, monsieur?

174 Again, why all the pencil marks on the pdf?

175 Like I said, I'm tired, and have had insomnia three nights running.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 11:15 AM (nj1bB)

LOL!  Ok as long as you do realize we are usually several hours ahead of you on comments.

176

Okay, Colonel Lakin was possessed of a false conspiracy theory. So... the response is to let the court martial proceed rather than simply releasing the document that would clear all this up?

What the hell?

Posted by: Ace a Ace although I made that point earlier i believe in a previous post . I had forgotten His name, (blush) typical of me..The Name was brought to us by I know the left.

177 Y-Not, I keep forgetting to take Tryptophan and Melatonin, which I bought to solve the problem; when I take that, I fall asleep. I just have been forgetting to do that. At 4am I finally got up to take that, and then fell asleep. I'll look into that 5-HTP stuff too.

178 Michelle may have bitten their heads off after mating, but we deserve to know who these brave Americans were. She does have a powerful set of jaws. Brave, indeed.

179 I demand we see his dental records! His teeth are hiding a grim truth! I suspect his dentition and molar patterns prove a diet consistent with certain four-stomached ungulate mammalsÂ… Obama is a ruminant!!!

180
I didn't think to check my own site.




Ace doesn't read his own blog? The hell you say.

181

 I'm tired, and have had insomnia three nights running

nyquil. it's saving my life

182 This issue, and (with due respect to Ace), the transcript issue, is stupid and unnecessarily distracting.  What fucking difference does it make whether Obama got a B or C-?  And even if it makes some infinitesimal difference, is it worth the cost in backlash?

We know plenty about who Obama is without knowing what grades he may have received.  We know Obama by his actions during the last two years.  That is all we need to know.  That is all anyone needs to know.  This knowledge is free - it comes without any cost whatsoever. 

This demand that Obama release his college transcripts appears petty, and stupid.  The infamous "swayables" won't give a rat's ass what grades he got in college, and will view the whole thing as ridiculous.

183 156 My prediction is he will eventually release the college records, the sharks are out, there is blood in the water.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 27, 2011 11:15 AM (IXLvN)

You don't think that Occidental/Columbia/HLS records can be "altered" to show how fucking brilliant this stupid cocknozzle is?

184

Line 9  was African the term used for "race" instead of Negro in 1961?   Why do they use the term Caucasian for Stanley Ann instead of European?

185 @181
Hmmm... melatonin, huh?  I'll have to look into that.  Since the 5-HTP stuff didn't seem to work, I've been having to resort to giving it to him regularly.  ;-)

186

This "is it real? Is it enough? Where are his grades?" stuff begs the real question:

Why is Trump the only one who can put Obama on the defensive?

He doesn't apologize. He doesn't call Obama a loyal American. He doesn't weasel around with half questions. He doesn't entertain the lefty-slanted press questions about his motives. He just calls Obama on his bullshit.

I know he's no conservative, but the GOP could learn a lot from the Donald.

187 oh and also, what's with all the jpeg compression. Come on, this is 2011, not 1997, there isn't  a need to compress the shit out of your images...

unless you're ... HIDING... something

dun dun dun.

188 So then the question is: "Why wait so long to release?"

And using the "simple explanation is the most likely" theory: The JEF is an ass, an out-and-out ass.  Before, the "birther" thing kept his base riled up, gave him a windmill to bravely tilt at, and gave his supporters an easy platform to attack his enemies.
It was his falling poll numbers with independents that did it. And for that, thanks Trump.
The next thing to watch is, how does he win them back? 

189 Speller, Are you kidding? Don't answer that; I know you're not. The COLB said the same thing, you know -- the shortform. Said the same thing. That wasn't thought odd then. But now we're scrambling to find new "reasons" to believe things we don't need reason to believe.

190 "Hey CLP (Is that a disease),"

 In my world it was Cleaning, Lubricating and Protectorant for rifles. I prefer rifle bore cleaner. It actually cleans. On the other hand, we wear out more rifles per year using a brass bore brush down a barrel than with bullets. A little military arcania for this inspired thread. 

Two words:  Long Bows

191 But did anyone check to see if he's got '666' burned into the back of his head somewhere?   

OK, now for the college grades and a little enlightenment on how someone with JEF's level of intelligence got into the colleges he went to and got to be head of the Harvard Law Review.  I'm betting there were lots of hands pushing that skinny butt up the affirmative action ladder.

192 @183 I demand we see his dental records!

OK, I lol'ed!

193 I would like him to release his transcripts but to be frank, the birth certificate was a more legitimate issue because it was an eligibility , constitutional issue. Transcripts are just a political issue. But I would like to pile on and make him revisit all of the skeletons that the press ignored the first time around. Rezko, The New Democrat Party, Ayers, Annanberg Project, Michele's fake job, etc.

194 Col. Allen West should get the Weeping Boner's job.
 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

linked it

195

To me, the most important thing is how Obama responded. He blamed the media for distracting him from budget issues and had a little hissy fit-- all this despite the fact that he created this issue. Not only is he reinforcing his reputation as thin-skinned and willing to constantly shift blame, he also can't stop acting like the jerk he is. His legendary cool persona has once again been exposed as a fraud. So whether the BC is authentic or not, the entire situation reflects poorly on him.

196 The missing seal is of no matter.

The seal is to attest that the copy prepared by the Hawaiian officials was the same as the original.  This copy appears to be a fax copy of the ofiginal, but it's hard to attach a seal to a scanned in fax.

197 Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 11:05 AM (nj1bB)

Historical authenticity. "Emotionally-charged words" to you, hence "actually, factually wrong". Thanks for the chuckle.

That's your best legal shot, ignoring the original source because it's inconvenient and discarding as no longer relevant.

You want to prove your case? Discredit with documentary proof that I'm "actually, factually wrong". Wishing that I were does not make it so. Quote the encyclopedia reference source that our Founders used to show the world the historical documentation that legitimizes Obama's status as a natural born US citizen POTUS given that his father (Barak held Kenyan and British citizenship) never held or applied for US citizenship.

Barak Obama, Barry's dad, was never a US citizen.

Ace, the Constitution does not make you its "emotionally-charged" victim.  

It is revisionists lobbying the emotionally-charged "conspiracy" label at constitutional conservatism. 

198 Kind of strange the way it was done. The certificate of live birth was printed on the green paper which makes it look fake. I got my original New York BC a couple of weeks ago. What they do is print the digitized file over a brand-new green certificate, which may be different from the original certificate paper it was printed on. However, the process preserves the original typewriter typeface and the signatures.

199 @195 But did anyone check to see if he's got '666' burned into the back of his head somewhere? 

That hair thing was a bit creepy, but it looks more like a tong symbol than 666. 

200 This issue, and (with due respect to Ace), the transcript issue, is stupid and unnecessarily distracting.  What fucking difference does it make whether Obama got a B or C-?  And even if it makes some infinitesimal difference, is it worth the cost in backlash?



It isn't his transcripts as much as it is his thesis.

201 I guess this is why Donald's Hairpiece shifted to talking grades yesterday.

202 154 Tatoo D'Plane....

yeah indeed....I think his transcripts show he applied for foreign aid.....he has a 'b' average, and he has cut every corner in his life to get whatever he wanted at any given second....

he went to Pock-ee-stan on an indonesian or brit passport IMHO

203 LOL, what about his birth certificate was worth $2 million to block? Grim

204

It's a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH

 

205 Headline should read: Obama confirms he's a douchenozzle; asshole

206

I think he did it response to Trump's calling him stupid if an effort to fend off releasing his trnascripts.

The MFing MBM will jump on this bandwagon saying "Look..he already shot down one silly conspiracy...let him get on with the business of the country."

I was watching AMessNBC and they all looked relieved that Ogabe released it...like they really were worried about what was on it themselves.

207 It isn't his transcripts as much as it is his thesis.

He's given us a two-year, multi-trillion dollar thesis.  What more do you need?

208 This demand that Obama release his college transcripts appears petty, and stupid.  The infamous "swayables" won't give a rat's ass what grades he got in college, and will view the whole thing as ridiculous.

Posted by: angler at April 27, 2011 11:24 AM (SwjAj)

Are you kidding? It's tactics, Obama's media has been totally consumed with this for 3 weeks. It's all you hear. Obama had to react and tell us all how busy he was on national tv, right before he went to be on Oprah.

He had to defend it, something he could have taken care of 3 years ago.

Keep hammering I say.

209 I demand we see his dental records! 

Posted by: George Orwell at April 27, 2011 11:23 AM (AZGON)

Behold the Dentist Movement.

210 I notice that the Hawaiian official Onaka signed authentication part on Monday. Wonder how far in advance of that the White House made the request, and what they were saying to the public while it was all in process.

211 I want to see his copy of 'Straight Outta Compton'.

212 I love that F. Chuck Todd is weeping about this when his own MSNBC had Trump on constantly about it.

213 @It's a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH

Yeah, but I read (I think here) that what we were originally shown was a Certification of Live Birth, so this thing is different.  I'm too lazy to check. 

214

It was  despicable action for the Presidrnt to have done this . He is a player instead of someone to admire. He plays in His position like a child plays with a new toy. not presidential, not transparent, not classy, just a jerk. does not act as if He is a President t of the People Of a World Power ,but as a  President of a group of lefty childish asswipes

215

The COLB said the same thing,(African) you know -- the shortform. Said the same thing. That wasn't thought odd then.

Some people did point it out.  It's a simple thing to show another BC from the '60s showing the use of "African" as a racial category used at that time but I haven't seen it done.  It's a serious question and you didn't answer it.

I grew up in the '60s and people didn't use the term "African" to refer to Negros.

 

216 hah, I have MSNBC on and even they are saying hey if you are so busy what's with going to chicago to be on Oprah?

217 I demand we see his dental records! Frigging Toothers.

218 And his passport. 

I was really surprised, when, during the election, he said his foreign policy experience was better than Hillary's or McCain's because he had lived in the Middle East, and traveled to PACK-E-Stan that no one in the media asked to see his passport.

Shouldn't we have a right to see his 'foreign policy experience' as we could with McCain and Hillary (newspaper, Congressional records, etc?)

219 I'm also puzzled why fucknut didn't release this earlier. I had come to the belief that there was likely something embarrassing on it. My best guess was that his race was listed as white or the father as "unknown". Assuming this is legit then it still makes no sense.

Now the only viable theory seems to be 1) Obama lives in a left-wing bubble, so believed the conventional wisdom that the "birther" issue hurt Repubs, so he kept it alive out of, what he thought, was clever political jujitsu.  So now 2) the polls finally burst the left-wing bubble and convinced him he was being hurt by this issue.

Definitely an asshole dick-cheese move to send good people to prison just so he could have, what he thought was, a useful political issue to label right-wingers as crazy, racist, paranoid "birthers".
 
Talk about stepping on the little guy for, in the grand scheme of things, a pretty small political advantage.

220 202 Kind of strange the way it was done. The certificate of live birth was printed on the green paper which makes it look fake.

I got my original New York BC a couple of weeks ago. What they do is print the digitized file over a brand-new green certificate, which may be different from the original certificate paper it was printed on. However, the process preserves the original typewriter typeface and the signatures.

Posted by: Average Joe at April 27, 2011 11:28 AM (bN5ZU)

Yep, same here. Last time I got a copy of my BC it was on green certificate paper. BC was a diversion from SSN scandal. Same thing with grades/transcript.

221 Yes, but where's his Certificate of Evil Birth? Hmmmm?

222 Some observations from a non-birther:

1.) This definitively puts the "birther" crap to rest.  If you insist on carrying it any further then congratulation, you're well into "a missile hit the Pentagon!" territory.  Enjoy life among the insane.

2.) This makes Trump look stupid, except for the fact that the man has no shame and will therefore probably just bluster his way through it and keep hammering on his transcripts.  It ends his chances at the GOP nomination though, that's for sure.  Good and good.

3.) This doesn't hurt the other Republican candidates at all.  They all disassociated themselves from Birtherism already, and the issue is now out of the way early enough to be a non-factor going forward.  Because Obama released this from a position of weakness (i.e. because, as Ace theorized, it really is hurting him in the polls or at least isn't breaking his fall), he used the bullet too soon. 

4.) To reiterate #1: anybody who still clings to Birtherism after this is intellectually pathetic.  Sorry doods, it's true.

223 >>But I would like to pile on and make him revisit all of the skeletons that the press ignored the first time around. Rezko, The New Democrat Party, Ayers, Annanberg Project, Michele's fake job, etc. Me too. Obama has been allowed to stonewall on every detail of his life. Trump of all people got him to blink and now is the time to move away from the birth certificate and make him give up info on the rest of his mysterious past.

224 Frigging Toothers.

Beautiful!

225 Are you kidding? It's tactics

Poor, and ultimately counter-productive tactics. 

Counter-tactic:  "We've got the worst economic problem in the history of this country, we're out of money, we're engaged in three wars, and all they can talk about is what grade Obama got in Poli-Sci in 1988."

226

Get A Mirror-- Or A Plan

"The Complainer-in-Chief just hijacked the airwaves for another moment of presidential petulance:

'Two weeks ago when the Republican House had put forward a budget that will have huge consequences potentially to the country. And when I gave a speech about my budget and how I felt that we needed to invest in education, in infrastructure, in making sure that we had a strong safety net for our seniors even as we were closing the deficit.

During that entire week the dominant news story wasnÂ’t abut these huge monumental choices that we going to have to make as a nation. It was about my birth certificate.'"

So I'm supposed to feel sorry for him for creating a distraction not only once but twice with this issue because he's so petty and such a failure of a president.

227

sooner or later they have to wake up to the fact that people are increasingly tuning them out

I like our refusal to take everything (anything) at face value just because they're awesome or famous or our god or a rockstar or whatever.  You say you're ____ ?  Prove it!

228 B.O. is arguably the most powerful man in the world; his transcripy things have been scrubbed long ago.  We should give up.  He won these battles.  Let's win the battle of ideas; you know, like freedom vs. in servitude.

229
...is it worth the cost in backlash?

ya

230 138 Trump has already moved on this morning to demanding Obama release his school records.

The bastard is relentless, I'll give him that.

Yep.

Trump should also go after Obama's trip to Pakistan under an Indonesian passport.

Enquiring minds who want to know... ask Donald Trump!

LOL.

231 We order the President to publicly declare his support for our union.  His comments comparing us to Donald Trump were mean spirited and uncalled for.

232 Well, I for one am sorry to see this issue go. Yes there will always be the true Birther believers but for the most part it's toast.  I seriously did think there was something embarrassing on the form though.  It's clear Obama was just using this to give the media an easy label to attack opponents with. But as usual Obama held his cards too damn long. It was allowed to fester to the point that a majority of American would be unsure of his birth place and a guy like Trump could build a whole campaign off it.

Note to Conspiracy theorists:  Want to take your theory mainstream? Get a celebrity to talk about it. It doesn't matter how crazy or how badly the MBM hates it they will cover the celebrity no matter what. This is why Trump was able to ride this issue while no regular politician could.

Now, on to the Transcripts!!!

If Andrew or even The Donald is reading here's the line:
There is  no President in history for whom all schools records are known. It just comes out as part of the process of writing his  history. Why is Obama waiting? Why not release those records now? What is in them that will be fine for us to know once he's left office but not now? I'm not talking personal things but simply courses taken and grades.

233 I For one am grateful this has come out . I was terrified He really was a Messiah for the left. oh my He's just a simple left jerk, What are they going to do with all those Halo pics now?

234 This just in: Quadaffy now equally as confused about his race as his name spelling.

235 I love that F. Chuck Todd is weeping about this when his own MSNBC had Trump on constantly about it.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2011 11:31 AM (cd11S)

With this issue out of the way, MSNBC officially has nothing of interest to offer viewers and their ratings plummet.

I'm rolling on the floor and laughing here.

236 233 B.O. is arguably the most powerful man in the world; his transcripy things have been scrubbed long ago.  We should give up.  He won these battles.  Let's win the battle of ideas; you know, like freedom vs. in servitude.

Posted by: Sophistahick at April 27, 2011 11:35 AM (pDmVP)

Fairness versus equality. Socialism versus Capitalism. Democracy versus Republicanism. But I dream...

237

further then congratulation

 

Yeah.  That IQ generator was not working correctly.

 

 

238

"The infamous "swayables" won't give a rat's ass what grades he got in college, and will view the whole thing as ridiculous."

 

I am not so sure. The one constant with the left is their heavy self conceit investment that they, and all their friends, are smarter than everyone else. This is a required point of view to enable moral freedom to treat people like shit and feel good about one's behavior. Once they discover that their messiah is merely a C-student piker, the mask is removed. Then they are required to either self reflect on their biases and bigotries or better yet discard the used prophylactic messiah for another and repeat their pathology of self importance. (NOTE: My money is on the later; See Senator Kerry, President Clinton, Senator Clinton, et. al.). So are they swayable? - probably not. Are they scrambable? - most definitely. They would discard the WON as soon as all the myths concerning hime are destroyed. Being the smartest man in the room is their touchstone. Without it, they are reduced to concensus politics, which to them is icky.

239 I notice that the Hawaiian official Onaka signed authentication part on Monday. Wonder how far in advance of that the White House made the request, and what they were saying to the public while it was all in process.

Posted by: Average Joe at April 27, 2011 11:30 AM (bN5ZU)

They asked for it last week.  I posted a link to MSNBC article in the THC if you want to look at it. #221

240 He's still a bastard.

241 Speller, his dad actually was African, you know. Not African-American, but African.

242 I'm an anti- dentite.

243 If that long form birth certificate is real, it means Obama was NOT born on a plantation.

244
8.)  Why yes, those are the Dunhams of Insmouth, why do you ask?

Funny you mention that. Bambi DOES seem to have the Innsmouth Look...

245 "We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We got big problems to solve, and I'm confident we can solve them, but we're gonna have to focus on them, not on this."
Which is why he waited two years to release it, jackass.

246

Do we know the topic/title of Obama's thesis? I don't think it'll do him any real political harm whatever it is, but I can just imagine the potential funny.  I've seen the dude's poetry and "his" books, and I'd bet a million Schrute bucks that he comes off as either irredeemably stupid or so politically twisted that he sounds like a cross between Che and Idi.

'Scripters Unite!

 

247

...let him get on with the business of the country."

We're still waiting for him to get on with the business of the country. Or if that's what he's really doing now, get him to stop.

248 Admittedly, I'd rather it have been his transcripts released, mainly because I subscribe to the theory of Kevin DuJan over at Hillbuzz. That is, the transcripts -- more than his birth certificate -- show Barry Soetoro was gaming the system. But then again, do we really need to see either of them just to confirm what we already know, i.e., Soetoro -- I mean Obama -- is a giant fraud? At this point with his recent shenanigans, it'd just be gilding the lily.

249 Counter-tactic: "We've got the worst economic problem in the history of this country, we're out of money, we're engaged in three wars, and all they can talk about is what grade Obama got in Poli-Sci in 1988."

Posted by: angler

False Dichotomy.  Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time.  The fight can be on many fronts at the same time.  You can be killing the guy with death from a thousand cuts(who is this guy Obama really) and bringing the flaming sledge hammer down too.(Obama is making the economy worse)

250 Oh, and for angler:

The reason why it's perfectly okay to apply pressure about Obama's grades is the same as why the Birther stuff was surprisingly not hurting the Right: people right now are getting the weird sense that, pace your "two years in office" argument, they don't really know who Obama is on a gut level.  Anything that calls into question the Narrative they were spoonfed during the 2008 elections is good for stoking that fire, no matter how seemingly minor. 

Furthermore, the peripherality of this argument helps us: no major Prez candidate is going to be taking up this mantle, and it's not as if we need to reiterate the MAJOR arguments against Obama -- those are felt on a day-to-day basis at the pump and the grocery store, and are being thwacked at again and again by the GOP political class (as they should be).  Let Trump, et al. keep harping on the phoniness of his achievements (especially since, unlike the Birther crap, I'm pretty sure this actually IS a sound thesis).  It only helps by chipping away around the edges of the Obama Edifice of Mega-Genius that helps prop him up among a certain squishy portion of the population (i.e. "I may not understand what he's doing, or agree with him, but by gum he is a genius smart guy so I'll let it ride.)

251 What backlash? The only backlash seems to be against Obama.

252 Shouldn't we have a right to see his 'foreign policy experience' as we could with McCain and Hillary (newspaper, Congressional records, etc?) Yes, we should, but this is bizarro world. Focus on the issues during 2012.

253 The point is that every other person running is asked for lots of these papers, and for those who don't release them, the press "finds" them (unless they are dems, but even most dems are forced to release lots of documentation).

News flash:  Double standards, media bias and general unfairness exist, all of which benefited Obama, and that will continue to some degree regardless.  Life is not fair.

It may be personally gratifying to insist that the media and others hold Obama to the same standards they hold others, especially conservatives.  But it will not likely happen.  And this touting at windmills, while possibly personally gratifying (and correct in principle) will not make any difference where it counts - at the polls.  People who already hate Obama will cheer you on, but you won't hear one person say "Well, I was going to vote for Obama, but he won't tell me what grade he got in poli-sci, so he won't be getting my vote."

254

"I grew up in the '60s and people didn't use the term "African" to refer to Negros."

 

His father was a negro from Africa. Negro refers to race. Africa refers to a continent. BTW there is no race known as African. I believe the natives of Africa are either negroid or semitic. Just sayin.

255 'Scripters Unite!

lol. 

Someone on the next thread asks "cut or uncut?" - and coins the term "skinners."

256 Trump is a picador.  Maybe he doesn't know it, but that is what he is.

257 Comment: @68

258 >>What backlash? The only backlash seems to be against Obama. Yep. And why did he release it today when the real most powerful man in the world, Bernanke, is going to be making all the noise? He wants this to go away. Obama really doesn't like answering questions.

259

picador

 

nice. 

Though I doubt he could pull off the pants.

260 Ok, I see it was joncelli's sock-puppet.  Golf clap to you, sir! 

261 It's the wisdom teeth... The wisdom teeth! HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY!!!

262 Speller, his dad actually was African, you know. Not African-American, but African.

Posted by: ace

Yes Obama sr was African.  African really isn't a race ace, did you know that?  There are Caucasian Africans.

The issue is whether or not the current incorrect term African=Negro race was used in the 1960s.(just to clarify the point of contention)

263 257 Shouldn't we have a right to see his 'foreign policy experience' as we could with McCain and Hillary (newspaper, Congressional records, etc?)

Yes, we should, but this is bizarro world. Focus on the issues during 2012.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 27, 2011 11:42 AM (mHQ7T)

Esp. since it will be the most racial election -ever! Because if you don't for the JEF a second time - you will be a bigger racist than the 6 Confederate veterans that formed the KKK. Believe it!

264 Trump could act as the kamikaze assault element of the 2012 campaign. He asks all the stuff the press is too ass-kissing to ask for; sure, he whiffs, like with the birth certificate, but who knows what he might turn up? Personally, I think Obama keeping the birth certificate under wraps for so long was just part of a larger strategy of hiding everything, period. If all of his past is under lock and key as top secret mega-ultra his opponents aren't quite sure where to go fishing for the really damaging info. Kurtz has shown he's hiding plenty about his past in Chicago. I suspect his transcript would show he's an affirmative action hire.

265 Let Trump, et al. keep harping on the phoniness of his achievements (especially since, unlike the Birther crap, I'm pretty sure this actually IS a sound thesis). I disagree with this. Trump is irrelevant now. He has been discredited and any other information he asks for from the President will be met with mockery. No transcripts, no medical records -- The GOP candidates need to hit Obama on his poor leadership. We have an indisputable record, the past four years.

266 Meanwhile, Captain Ed thinks this a good day for Obama, or at least Obama thinks it is a good day for Obama.  Hard to tell with Ed.

So, the bull chases the rodeo clown around the ring, and somehow this is a big win for the bull.  Alriiighty then.

267 Counter-tactic:  "We've got the worst economic problem in the history of this country, we're out of money, we're engaged in three wars, and all they can talk about is what grade Obama got in Poli-Sci in 1988."

Posted by: angler at April 27, 2011 11:34 AM (SwjAj)

I am not sure anyone cares what grades he got. The point is that he believes he is the only president that doesn't have to show this stuff. He's finding out that's not true.

Bush released his complete transcripts, his complete military records and his complete medical records. I don't know if anyone asked for his birth certificate although they asked for McCains which he released. Bush even got the added benefit of having people make up military records a week before the election.

Kerry got cute with his military records and never did release all of them and lost. He did release his college records though.

268 I suspect his transcript would show he's an affirmative action hire.

It's not like he was getting hired on his merits given what the "Constitutional scholar" has shown us with his legal acumen in the White House.

269

From the article at FOX:

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve." 

That quote is from our POTUS. 

Unfucking believable and stuff.

I think that this quote lends it's self to providing proof that his transcripts are more than likely teh suck.

270 Posted by: Speller at April 27, 2011 11:46 AM

Some bureaucrat put the wrong term down.  Seems like par for the course.  I don't think it means anything more than what we already know - bureaucrats are useless. 

271 Esp. since it will be the most racial election -ever! Because if you don't for the JEF a second time - you will be a bigger racist than the 6 Confederate veterans that formed the KKK. Believe it! Posted by: The Robot Devil at April 27, 2011 11:46 AM (136wp) Tavis Smiley told us how it's gonna be, like anyone was surprised.

272

4) My own dark horse suggestion: Trump whiffed completely on the birth certificate but scored a stand-up double with Obama's grades, and Obama doesn't want that subject being examined, so he decimates Trump Theory Number One to spray Trump Theory Number Two with shrapnel.

I hope that we keep on on that front -- I have the fervor of a recent convert about that particular religion (Testify, brothers!) --

Can I get an AMEN!!

I was thinking the exact same thing when I woke up listening to Glenn parodying about the hidden triplets and speculating about misdirection for the Fed presser. It is very possible that his Harvard record is a real vulnerability and O is using his BC as a gambit to disperse the attack as "just another conspiracy theory from the extreme right wing"

Trump does have an opportunity here though. I think the correct play is.

1. I am happy the President has finally released his BC and laid this troublesome issue to rest.

2. I think it would have been more responsible though, to have released his past records, including his birth certificate and college transcripts 3 years ago and avoided all of this speculation.

3. I trust the President now understands that many Americans want that kind of transparency, that a President who looks like he is keeping secrets about past events will be rightly suspected of either nefarious, suspicious, or embarrassing actions, and these speculative issues can be laid to rest if he is open and forthcoming about his past.

273 transcripts need to be pushed mainly as "why is the media so uninterested in them?" Way back in 2008 I checked out Occidentals web site. They don't have real courses the first two years. A bunch of seminars and writing papers. I suspect that Columbia gets those pesky core requirement courses out of the way the first two years so Barry never took any. I think he probably managed to get passable grades. Not the genius that the media spun him as but I'd bet an actual silver 'dollar' the grades wont be a bunch of Ds and Fs either.

274

(I originally posted this on the other thread)

Did you guys see the letter from O's attorney to the health department lady? Spoon fed the desired response.  Check the blog at whitehouse dot gov.

(from Ms. Corley)

"Waiver of the Department's policy in this instance would allow my client to make a certified copy of his original birth certificate publicly available and would also relieve the burden currently being placed on the Department of Health by the numerous inquiries it recieves from the media and others relating to my client's birth record."

So, that spoon fed resonse is then written back in letter from the Director of Health, Ms. Loretta J. Fuddy, ACSW, MPH.  But in a totally passive agressive way.  She just HAD to say "Such inquiries have been disruptive to staff operation and have strained State resources."

Don't be such a duddy, Ms. Fuddy.

275 Posted by: Jeff B. at April 27, 2011 11:34 AM (NjYDy)

I agree the birthers were weak, but saying this is in the same league as the truthers is flat out wrong.  All the birthers had was Obama's citizenship.  The truthers convinced scores of people that the US government perpetrated the greatest mass murder of Americans in our nation's history.  (How many Democrats polled believed that shit?  Something like a third?  Two fifths?)

The birthers were at least silly, and it was an issue you could have a lot of laughs with.  The truthers are simply vile. 

276

Okay, Colonel Lakin was possessed of a false conspiracy theory. So... the response is to let the court martial proceed rather than simply releasing the document that would clear all this up?

What the hell?

Posted by: Ace at 10:36 AM

Exactly.  Yet, he and Moochelle will go on Orca today and go on and on about their support of the military.

I hate that Jugears is CiC, my kid's boss.

277 271,

Poppin' Fresh thinks a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the temple speaks well of an individual's marksmanship.....

"just sayin'..."

278 Trump of all people got him to blink and now is the time to move away from the birth certificate and make him give up info on the rest of his mysterious past.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2011 11:34 AM

Yes, I'd agree given that "move away from" does not equate to capitulation to fraud.

This being the foundation of Obama, maintain the records on file preparing for Obama's Impeachment which by no means is limited to his lack of validity. But once Obama is impeached, during his prosecution have everything on hand for his removal from office. Although the Republican Leadership won't attempt to discredit Obama as they maintain with Pelosi "common values", maintaining all for the record still matters.

Yesterday was way past the $pending $tupid as Obama dissolves our nation's sovereignty. Hound Obama on every flaw.

279 JEF ran on transparency and openness in government.  Hold them to their own declared standards, right? 

280 I am not sure anyone cares what grades he got. The point is that he believes he is the only president that doesn't have to show this stuff. He's finding out that's not true.

True enough.  So the candidates who've announced already should release all of theirs now.  They can put it out there, then Trump and whoever else wants to can make an issue of Obama's secrecy more effectively.


You know who this helps, of course...

281

The issue is whether or not the current incorrect term African=Negro race was used in the 1960s.(just to clarify the point of contention)

Posted by: Speller at April 27, 2011 11:46 AM (J74Py)

I think it was just the 'Crat asking Sr. for his race.

282 Prince of the Punks

283 @244 Thanks Momma! Will look. Also just saw this: http://tinyurl.com/3lxtz4v re Perkins Cole.

284 >>No transcripts, no medical records -- The GOP candidates need to hit Obama on his poor leadership. We have an indisputable record, the past four years.

Of course we do.  And of course that's what the GOP candidates need to do as well.  But we are not the GOP candidates.  We're the fridge buzz on the outside margins of the debate, churning memes around.  Trump isn't a serious GOP candidate either (despite what he himself may think) -- you're right that he has beclowned himself here, which is a good thing for everyone.  So let him ply his trade.

285 "We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve."

------------------

Like jet off to Chi-town for a love-fest with Orca.  Jackass.

286 Fellow Morons, I don't know what is going on.  Joe Farra from WND was on my local radio station, saying that because Stanley Ann was 18 at the time she was unable to confer citizen ship?  Is that true? 

Also, they pointed out the safety paper pattern doesn't follow the curve of the text and boxes.  They also pointed out the text shows signs of Photoshops clarity tool. 

I never believed this birther shit, but is this thing a forgery?

287 "We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve....which I will address with laserlike focus after these fundraising dinners and Oprah

288

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve." 

Then he jumped on AF1 to go to Chicago to do the Orca Winfrey Show

289 #167: Yeah, I wouldn't make too big of a deal out of the layering of the PDF. For some strange reason, may scanner produces a layered file whenever I scan a document as a PDF file, even if I'm not trying to convert it to text.

290 ok the "birther" issue is dead, now it's time to move on ot the next issue from Obama's shady past - his school records, and yes it will never end until he releases all the records, and no asking about his college transcripts and other school records does not hurt conservatives, it does hurt Obama, besides just because someone or some group out there is talking about and asking questions about Obama's past does not prevent others from talking about other things, most people can walk and chew gum at the same time.

291 He's not African-African.  Oh wait, yes he is.  

292

Some bureaucrat put the wrong term down. Seems like par for the course.

Thinking of Negros as Africans when the question is racial category(Caucasian/Negro/Mongolian) wasn't how people thought in the '60s.   Show me another 1960s BC with African used in the Negro race category and I'm easily satisfied. 

293 I want his dental records! Surely his bicuspids will demonstrate once and for all he is a bovine.

294

"Not the genius that the media spun him as but I'd bet an actual silver 'dollar' the grades wont be a bunch of Ds and Fs either."

 

Its all about self esteem. Where have you been?

295 In the battle of the sheepskins, it looks like Mitt has a firm lead, followed by Newt. 

296 293

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve." 

Then he jumped on AF1 to go to Chicago to do the Orca Winfrey Show

Posted by: beedubya at April 27, 2011 11:51 AM (AnTyA)

And a quick 18 holes of golf after that...

297 >>I never believed this birther shit, but is this thing a forgery?

No, it's not a forgery. It's legit.  And Joseph Farah is an absolutely insane crank.  His point about Obama's mother not being old enough (under the law as it was in 1961) to confer citizenship to Obama is only relevant in a context where Obama had been born in Kenya (i.e. in a foreign country) rather than on U.S. soil.  Given that he was born in Hawaii, it's a moot point. 

Quite simply, never trust content from Farah.  Ever.

298

It's nice to know that the Indonesian let Col Lakin go to jail instead of releasing this document

posted by: willow

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

299 213 Behold the Dentist Movement.
________

You rang?

300 True enough.  So the candidates who've announced already should release all of theirs now.  They can put it out there, then Trump and whoever else wants to can make an issue of Obama's secrecy more effectively.


You know who this helps, of course...

Posted by: Y-not at April 27, 2011 11:50 AM (pW2o

Exactly, anyone who asked them they just say I have no idea why he won't show them, must be hiding something.

301

Thinking of Negros as Africans when the question is racial category(Caucasian/Negro/Mongolian) wasn't how people thought in the '60s.   Show me another 1960s BC with African used in the Negro race category and I'm easily satisfied. 

Posted by: Speller at April 27, 2011 11:52 AM (J74Py)

I can show you two BC's where 'Caucasian' is used in the racial category.  And they were twins born the day after Obama at the same hospital. 

It may just be a case of letting the respondents choose their own self-identifying racial classification.

302 From my point of view, I'm glad he finally released it.If he wants to make it a racial thing then have at it. The release of this certificate should be the first of many issues that need to come to light for a proper vetting of the guy.If people had done this correctly the first time it wouldn't be an issue now and that includes McCain and his people. Now as far as the birth certificate, put a check mark next to it and lets move on to his college days.Those who funded and greased the wheels for his acceptance into Harvard, any written papers and works to show his overall point of view etc..etc..etc. It isn't prying, it's vetting and the guy had what will be a four year running start of having to go through that process come 2012. I'm with Charlie Rose on the issue of Obama....."Who is Barack Obama,really". There is now a record and many nefarious deeds that this guy has under his belt,ALL of it needs to be pounded home as Trump has done(I don't believe for a second that he is running). If Trump is playing the dark horse enforcer to force this vetting process on Obama, then I wish him the best of luck.

303 Thinking of Negros as Africans when the question is racial category(Caucasian/Negro/Mongolian) wasn't how people thought in the '60s.   Show me another 1960s BC with African used in the Negro race category and I'm easily satisfied.

I dunno.  Hawaii in the '60s was a different animal than the mainland (still is, imo).  The dad was listed as Kenyan.  I think that's the source of the African listing. 

304 That wasn't what I was saying.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 27, 2011 11:52 AM (G/MYk)

Thanks for the clarification.  I still think there exists plenty of evidence with which to make your point without comparing font-types on a birth certificate or demanding to see his college grade cards.

305 I didn't realize Herman Cain got a masters (in CS) from Purdue. Interesting. 

306 Okay, fun speculation time:

As too the "African" under Race for Senior I too believe this is out of place. It is one of the things which led me to question, briefly, the short form. It's an odd term to use. Also, notice the "II" after Junior's name. Unusual but not an indication of a fake. If I had to bet I would say both the "II" and the "African" is there at the insistence of Senior. He was a Socialist and African Nationalist. He would consider Africans a race. He probably insisted that the "II" be noted too so that Barry was never known as a Junior. Senior and Junior is a Non-African designation.

307

"301 In the battle of the sheepskins, it looks like Mitt has a firm lead, followed by Newt. "

 

Personally, any candidate from the Ivies has a lot of splaining to do to gain my trust. The best President in my life was a B-actor who graduated from a small midwest college. I am pretty fed up with the geniuses from the Ivies at this point. And as we are finding out, the Ivies have no real standards for scholarship or any meaningful core requirements that make them special. They just charge a lot.

308 First Republican debate, all candidates plunk down their birth certificates, college transcripts, resumes...everything, and do it with a smile. Let the msm try to pretend that the background of candidates only matters when the candidates are Republicans.

309 Posted by: Speller at April 27, 2011 11:46 AM

He won't admit his own "actually factually wrong" revisionism.

310 This certainly has been a distraction. What a tool this Obama is.

311

Hey Rush..I know you read this blog. Please mention how Ogabe let Col. Lakin go to prison.

Thanks.

Your buddy,

 

beedubya

312 Frick....I just got a computer virus.  ARGH!

313 For you poor saps earlier in the thread who are trying to get some sleep, you might also look into Benadryl. It's an over-the-counter allergy medicine or something like that, but it also sends you into the arms of Morpheus.

314 Can we agree this entire exercise was/is pointless?

Obama is destroying our country and is quite possibly the most incompetent President ever to serve this nation. Yet here we are talking about whether he is eligible to serve in an office he already holds and elevating the rantings of a mangy-dog-used-car-salesman like Trump to some type of constructive dialogue.

The only thing Trump is worried about is his image and how many models half his age he can hit. If he won the Whitehouse it would make Clinton-Lewinsky look like amateur night at a Nevada whorehouse. In fact, Trump as POTUS would probably rent out the Lincoln Bedroom, replete with prostitutes and make it the next big reality TV show.

If you considered Trump as a viable candidate for President, the next thing you should consider is sterilization. Either that or moving to Transylvania.   

315

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve." 

Then he jumped on AF1 to go to Chicago to do the Orca Winfrey Show

Posted by: beedubya at April 27, 2011 11:51 AM (AnTyA)

And a quick 18 holes of golf after that...

 

Those are all excellent points but the point that I was making was when is the last time that we had a president that spoke like that?  That dumb cowboy Bush woould have at least said "things to do" for crying out loud.

I can talk like a 20 year old but then obviously I'm not the LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.

Stuff?  What a douche.

316 Hmmm...Rush's streaming list has been hijacked

317

I can show you two BC's where 'Caucasian' is used in the racial category. And they were twins born the day after Obama at the same hospital.

I've seen them too.  What I haven't seen is other BC's where "African" is used as a racial category instead of "Negro" in the 1960's.

318

The problem arose in my opinion about the BC because from the campaign's beginnings we saw how He fibbed about simple things as a march in a civil rights movement,his grandfather in germany , his lack of transparency from the beginning , there was NO reason to hide the information , but He choose to,   the media covered for Him, how no-one would stand up and make Him actually comply with normal standards of a campaign hopeful. 

 it would be natural to believe lots o things, who would think the Media would have been so in the tank they would play games with the elections (at that point ) to the degree they did

319 I always thought the transcripts were the bigger issue.  I thought, at worst, the birth certificate might've contained something mildly embarrassing, but nothing disqualifying (along the lines of the HillBuzz theory about his last name).  However, I think there's no coincidence that this was released almost immediately after Trump started hitting on his school records.  Obama had no problem holding the birth certificate back as a, er, trump card.  But he damn sure couldn't afford to have his media-constructed Narrative™ of "Barack Hussein Obama, Super-Genius™" destroyed in front of the world.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I still think the transcripts are where the really embarrassing stuff is to be found.  To me, this move exposes that weakness.

Not to mention his ghost-written "memoir"...

320 This just in: Charles Johnson is forced to decide between shilling for the president or investigating the validity of the birth certificate and making huge news.

321 He was a Socialist and African Nationalist. He would consider Africans a race.

Not as you propose at all. Revisionism would attempt such a rationalization as logical despite the bloody tribal antagonisms in Kenya exemplified by Barak Obama (Sr.).

Had Obama's father been a proponent for an imaginary Pan-Africanism which never was in 1961, his racist Obama family would not have been involved in a regime that decimated another African tribe with genocide by machete.

322 "hey Bill, I've got more important stuff to do , Take over this presser for me , so i can have a dinner date with Michelle, she get's really mad ya know."

323 I am pretty fed up with the geniuses from the Ivies at this point. Woo hoo! Sarah Palin for President!

324 Another thing to note about the use of the term African as race if it was at the insistence of the father. It's an overt way of showing his superiority. He may have felt the term Negro was associated with blacks who were born of slaves.  One thing which doesn't get any mention is Obama's tribe is almost certainly one who would have sold blacks into slavery centuries past. Don't believe Roots, the vast majority of slaves were supplied by blacks to the slave traders. Slavery has always been a part of African life.

325 19 From a purely tactical stand point, they should have waited until farther in the Republican primaries to do this. Trump isn't a contender IMHO but he keeps the question out there as he tries to gain market share in the primary votes. He'd force the issue to be addressed by other primary candidates. Then, a few debates in, you drop this, still far ahead of the main election, and kill off whatever part of the field didn't disagree. Also, you keep the issue in front of independants during the Primary so as to try to damage the entire GOP brand just by the amount of time that gets spent on it.

Politically, Team Obama just strengthened Karl Rove and everyone that called this a distraction while only damaging Trump. Some advisor needs to get taken to the wood shed over that.


I completely agree.  Yet more proof that Obama is not nearly as smart as all his sycophants seem to believe.

326

Heh!

Rush just said that Trump doesn't eat crow. He eats other peoples lunches.

327 Poppin' Fresh thinks a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the temple speaks well of an individual's marksmanship..... Hahahahahaha! Now that's Minnesota nice!

328 Here we go: Suddenly everyone's an expert on how hospitals in Hawaii in 1961 referred to the race of an African Negro. Suddenly people are pretty damn sure they would have said "Negro" and not "African," so it's a forgery. I can't help but notice that people's expertise in arcane subject matters seems to increase in a direct, linear relationship to how much expertise they need to make the next claim required by the conspiracy theory.

329 Not as you propose at all. Revisionism would attempt such a rationalization as logical despite the bloody tribal antagonisms in Kenya exemplified by Barak Obama (Sr.).

Had Obama's father been a proponent for an imaginary Pan-Africanism which never was in 1961, his racist Obama family would not have been involved in a regime that decimated another African tribe with genocide by machete.

Posted by: by any other name at April 27, 2011 12:10 PM (H+LJc)\

Gandhi believed in an independent unified India, he even gave lip service to eliminating the stigma attached to some castes, but he would never have agreed to eliminate those castes. Racism and tribalism isn't eliminated just because someone espouses a unification.

330 I can't help but notice that people's expertise in arcane subject matters seems to increase in a direct, linear relationship to how much expertise they need to make the next claim required by the conspiracy theory.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 12:17 PM (nj1bB)

I'm not claiming anything. I said it was pure speculation.

331

Another thing to note about the use of the term African as race if it was at the insistence of the father.

I don't think insistence has much to do with how official documents are filled out by state employees.   Also I should point out that there is no evidence on the purported document that Barack Obama sr was even present at all when the form was filled out.(no signature except mother's)

 

 

 

332 103 Any one else find it interesting she signed it Ann Durham Obama.

Posted by: polynikes at April 27, 2011 11:03 AM (a9+xG)

No. My mom signed with her married name.

I'll probably have something about this later.

333 335 Tatoo D'Plane,

recall he was one of the voices at Tepid Air that argued "we need a moderate" back in '08....

yeah Poppin' Fresh how'd that work out for us bud?

334 Woo hoo! Sarah Palin "started" the outcry for the No-Fly-Zone against Libya.

Read the AIR FORCE Magazine April 2011 issue page 8 "No Flies On Libya" stipulating why the No Fly Zone could only attempt to work by abandoning efforts in Afghanistan. The article defines details why the Libyan No Fly Zone entails our own disaster, biting off more than we can chew economically. 

335 In consultation with her doctor, it took Stanley approximately one day to decide whether or not to leave her little love bundle in the linen closet to die, or not.

King Barry the Deuce, was born under a lucky star, indeed.

336 I guess Obama's mother never used her first name Stanley cause it looks like she signed her name "Ann Dunham Obama" and then, as an afterthought, wrote "(Stanley)" over it.  Yes, she even put it in parenthesis.

I only point this out cause I thought it was interesting. 

337 "If you considered Trump as a viable candidate for President, the next thing you should consider is sterilization. Either that or moving to Transylvania."

No, thanks.  We're still cleaning up the mess Vlad left.

338 344 I guess Obama's mother never used her first name Stanley cause it looks like she signed her name "Ann Dunham Obama" and then, as an afterthought, wrote "(Stanley)" over it.  Yes, she even put it in parenthesis.

I only point this out cause I thought it was interesting.

The only thing I'm thinking is that Papa Dunham was an asshole for giving his daughter the first name of Stanley.

339

I don't think insistence has much to do with how official documents are filled out by state employees.   Also I should point out that there is no evidence on the purported document that Barack Obama sr was even present at all when the form was filled out.(no signature except mother's)

 

Posted by: Speller at April 27, 2011 12:22 PM (J74Py) 

Again, it's just speculation.

State employees do a lot of crap to make annoying people go away. I would agree with the form not showing the father was present, but it doesn't show he wasn't either.  As to only the mother's signature that is typical. The mother is asked to certify because only she could know for certain who the father is. But only one parent's signature is required.

340

Here we go: Suddenly everyone's an expert on how hospitals in Hawaii in 1961 referred to the race of an African Negro. Suddenly people are pretty damn sure they would have said "Negro" and not "African," so it's a forgery.

I'm asking to see one other instance of the use of "African" in the racial category not claiming to be an expert.   People used the term Coloreds and Negros(even Darkies), then the term "Black" became popular in the late '60s-'80s and "African" became the fad in the '90s.

African is a contemporary term.  I was born in the '50s and I remember, how about you? 

341 The only thing I'm thinking is that Papa Dunham was an asshole for giving his daughter the first name of Stanley.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 27, 2011 12:28 PM (UvFnc)

Well, yes, kind of goes without saying.

Could you imagine yourself in intimate embrace with some hot woman and calling out her name, "Steve! STEVE!"

GAH!!

342 I guess Obama's mother never used her first name Stanley cause it looks like she signed her name "Ann Dunham Obama" and then, as an afterthought, wrote "(Stanley)" over it.  Yes, she even put it in parenthesis.

I only point this out cause I thought it was interesting. 

Posted by: Robert at April 27, 2011 12:26 PM (4q6A5)

She obviously never used Stanley but it was her legal name. Probably someone asked her to add the Stanley as it isn't official without it. The signature needed to match the given name.

343 Posted by: Speller at April 27, 2011 12:30 PM (J74Py) Who gives a shit? what bearing does it have on the fact that Bary was born in Hawaii?

344

"Transcripters"?  The guys in MSM Marketing suggest the following alternative descriptors:

Transies

Gradists

"F"-Baggers

GPA-holes

345 Posted by: Rocks at April 27, 2011 12:20 PM

Either document where Barry's dad or (even more ridiculous to presume) hospital officials espoused Pan-Africa as Obama's race, or allow that in 1961 the race was designated as "Negro" -- Spanish and French for Black.

Barry's problem isn't his father's race, but his father's citizenship not being US.

Waiting still for Ace to "actually factually" prove his argument by exhibiting authentic 18th Century encyclopedic historical evidence substantiating Obama's constitutional legitimacy as a natural born citizen of the USA.

346

State employees do a lot of crap to make annoying people go away.

State employees are getting paid to be at work and can take as much time as they want to accomplish as little as they want to, it's the other people who are there on their own time and dime.

Show me another 1961 BC with "African" as a race answer for Negro and I'll be satisfied.

347 Who gives a shit? what bearing does it have on the fact that Bary was born in Hawaii?

Posted by: Jeff Weimer

It bears on the question of the authenticity of the document.  The term "African" in place of the normal term "Negro" in the question of race is what educated people would call an anachronism.  It is out of time and place on that document.

348 Oh man, of all mornings to have a killer headache that made me stay away from the computer!

Allow me to be dignified and charitable to all those I have argued with over this for the last few years...BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Okay, that might not have been as high minded as I had planed.

349 In the section titled "Identifying marks", someone wrote in "666".

I told you there was something suspicious...

350 whats fonts got to do wid it?

351 This: 71 This photocopy is bullshit. Photocopying did not exist in 1961. This should have come from a mimeograph, or "ditto" machine, which cranked out purple copies that you could get a righteous buzz from when the ink was still damp

plus

this: It bears on the question of the authenticity of the document.  The term "African" in place of the normal term "Negro" in the question of race is what educated people would call an anachronism.  It is out of time and place on that document.

equals the authenticity answer to this: 351 Posted by: Speller at April 27, 2011 12:30 PM (J74Py) Who gives a shit? what bearing does it have on the fact that Bary was born in Hawaii?

352 Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 12:17 PM

For the many years I've posted here, this morning marks your first response to any comment I've ever written. LOL, of course it would be in your defense of Obama's honor.

That you've taken notice "suddenly" applies to yourself.

"Suddenly" does not apply to my argument that remains consistent through the years.

As per history, I've been an avid student my entire life, specializing during doctoral studies reading 18th Century texts in English und auf Deutsch.

Were you to search your archives during the preliminary '08 potus primaries, you'll find my comments* relaying the scholarly research available online at that time. You'll see the reference sources being quoted with their website links. You won't undertake the effort, though. You wouldn't bother responding at the time, as the message wasn't of your preference. Subsequently, after the '08 election, I criticized attorneys who strictly limit arguments on the basis of convenience to the extent that they would shred evidence in order to evade the responsibility to recognize it and maintain it on record. That would mark when one must admit having become a revisionist, imho.

/By what other name?

353

I still don't believe that Obarky is not hiding behind something...whether it is his grades or SAT/LSAT score (to deflate the most intelligent president evah theory), his writing samples, the radical classes taken and instructors, how he paid for his education, why he was accepted from Occidental to Columbia and Harvard. (Relationships with Khalid al-Mansour and Percy Sutton for Harvard acceptance, with ties to Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal and the Black Panthers---which WH denies. Lots and lots if misspeaks with this guy Barry).

http://tinyurl.com/ygzdfrg

Plus his lack of writings and thesis revealed, as well as to his client history as an attorney, and why he gave up his law license. Did he have a dual passport/citizenship? He hid somethings to get elected and not branded a radical.

If he is so transparent he will release all, as he should have done with BC in 2008.

In the spirit of transparency, the LA Times needs to release the 2003 video of his dinner with PLO Activist and Columbia friend/professor, Rashid Khalidi. McCain requested it be released in 2008 and the paper protected Obama. It is widely believed that he praised the Palestinians at the dinner,and maybe said something bad about Israel.

I am not a birther, but I do want some clues about this arrogant flapping wrist buffoon. The answers won't change my mind about him, as I still want him defeated in 2012. But I want the truth, as there may be some people who will change their minds about the community organizer in chief.

354 It definitely is NOT an authentic "Long-Form" Birth Certificate ... it doesn't have a section of the umbilical cord stapled to it!

355

Posted by: Speller at April 27, 2011 12:46 PM (J74Py)

Says you. Are you really so wedded to the idea Barry wasn't born here that you'll grasp THAT straw?

Gotta give Barry one thing: this sure has been useful as a tool identifying the kooks.

Race, as listed on Hawaii birth certificates, is self-reported by the parents. Perhaps BHO Sr. wanted to distinguish himself apart from American Blacks.

356 Hey,  ace,  before you get too snarky with some of us,  using "African" as race on a 1961 form is highly unusual.

Now it's Hawaii,  so they may have used different terminology there (easily verified by seeing birth certificates of other black children born there in 1961) but here in Indiana the term would have been Negor.

In fact,  as late as 1968 when my son was born in a US Army Hospital in West Berlin,  the birth certificate form had boxes to check which were "Caucasian, Negro, Oriental, etc."

In 1961 "Negro" was considered the polite and scientific term.  This was pre-black power,  African-American,  or anything else.

Now it could be that Obama's father insisted on the term "African."  Or it could be a clerical error.  Or it could be what was used in Hawaii as a local term different from how mainland people talked.

But you don't need to get all snarky and act like people pointing this out are birthers and nutso.  It IS unusual and worth of a moment of comment,  although it proves nothing one way or the other.

So please realize that things are different now than they were 50 years ago,  and some of us actually REMEMBER how things were then.

357

Race, as listed on Hawaii birth certificates, is self-reported by the parents. Perhaps BHO Sr. wanted to distinguish himself apart from American Blacks.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer

So you say.  I say African isn't a race, I also say Barack Obama sr wasn't present to self-report anything.

358 Forgery.  Why did it take so long?  Looks like BO was buying time to find a good forger.

359

"Negor"...  Is that a colloquial spelling?  I know y'all have your own time zone in Indiana.

 

360

In case anybody here hasn't been paying attention: Obama is a liar, passing forged documents is considered a sport by Democrats, and examining a document for signs of authenticity/fraudulence is as important as having a document in the first place.

Things we know for a fact:

a) the MSM have been telling us we have Obama's birth certificate for years but today that is proven to have been a lie by the release of this new different document

b) Obama could have given us this document years ago but didn't for no good reason

c) Obama became an Illinois State Senator by having the field of contenders, including the incumbent, thrown out on technicalities*

*Obama challenged Palmer's hastily gathered nominating petitions and those of the three other prospective candidates. Nearly two-thirds of the signatures on Palmer's nominating petitions were found to be invalid, leaving her almost 200 signatures short of the required 757 signatures of registered voters residing in the Senate district; neither of the other three prospective candidates had the required number of valid signatures, leaving Obama, who had filed nominating petitions with over 3,000 signatures on the first filing day, as the only candidate to earn a place on the March 1996 Democratic primary ballot.
 
Obama said that the challenges were necessitated by the obvious flaws in the challengers' signature sheets. "To my mind, we were just abiding by the rules that had been set up," he said in a 2007 interview with the Chicago Tribune. When asked if voters were not disserviced by a ballot with no opposing candidates, Obama said "I think they ended up with a very good state senator."

361 Eric Cantor Criticizes President Obama For Addressing Birth Certificate Controversy

362 101 Hey CLP (Is that a disease),

   Who died and made you the Pope....Nimrod !!!!

It appears you're trying to ask a question. You'd want to use a question mark, rather than multiple exclamation points, for clarity.

You appear to be a shining example of the Left's education system and intellectual prowess.

363

Posted by: Speller at April 27, 2011 01:38 PM

No doubt he's a prick who will use any means fair or foul (how DID Ryan's sealed divorce file get leaked, anyway?) to get "elected". Frankly, that's a good drum to bang, along with "charter of negative liberties". And his general incompetence.

364

Frankly, that's a good drum to bang, along with "charter of negative liberties".

My drum set has 6 drums and for cymbals.  Any stick to wack Obama and the Dems with is a good stick.

This thread is about the release of a document that many people have demanded to see for at least 3 years.  Now that the document has supposedly been released, it behooves us to scrutinise it to see if it is in fact authentic.  If a hungry baby cries for milk a rubber soother will stifle it's cries for awhile but nothing short of genuine milk is going to keep it from crying again.

Is this a pacifier or a tittie we got today?  Time will tell. 

365 Back in the day when I was in high school we had to pass a test on the US constitution.  I am sure it states not only must the candidate be natural born, but also both parents.  Does that mean his father wasn't born in Kenya?

366 Fake.

No hoof prints.

367 I'm going to try to catch up in the comments, but I'll ask in case it hasn't been asked. This form clearly says at the top "Certificate of Live Birth". Wasn't there already a CoLB, back from the campaign that was roundly poo-pooed? Has someone familiar with the issue checked to see if they didn't just release the same form and claim it's a new release.

Honestly I never got in the details of the BC thing enough to know what differences there are between the long form and previous CoLB, I'm just trying to figure out what I'm looking at.

368

Being a genealogy guy, the things raised about how the various fields were filled on the document do not strike me as out of the ordinary at all. Actually, one expects individuals filling out form to have some sort of little unique way in which they respond to the questions. In fact, it would be more than odd if such things did not appear on such a document.

Aside from that, this gives us solid evidence of what we've said about King Barry all along: He's an absurdly narcissistic, petulant child, and this is evidenced by his not releasing this earlier.

I don't buy into the other kind of conpiracy stories that suggest that this was all part of some clever political calculation. It was because he thought himself "above it", plain and simple, and he's only releasing it now because Trump was getting more attention than he was over it. We have already established that he's just really not that clever.

369 I am sure it states not only must the candidate be natural born, but also both parents.
Posted by: Jayne on the left coast at April 27, 2011 02:12 PM (SOCWj)

Why would you be sure of that?

FTR-The Constitution says nothing about parents. If you don't believe me...Google it! That just something people have made up over the years to further their insane theories about what "natural born" means.

The people who expound that theory simply think they are so brilliant that they and they alone are qualified to fill in what the framers left out but must have really meant.

370

377 Honestly I never got in the details of the BC thing enough to know what differences there are between the long form and previous CoLB, I'm just trying to figure out what I'm looking at.

I haven't gotten into it in full detail, but the legit argument I was hearing recently was that the one we were seeing was generated in recent years by bureaucrats allegedly looking at the original and copying some of the info off. This release is of the original document, from 1961.

371

379 Why would you be sure of that?

Geez, DrewM, I had assumed that Jayne was just being snarky. But then, I often underestimate how odd the ideas that grow within people's heads can be.

372 Posted by: Jeff Weimer at April 27, 2011 01:58 PM

Yes, the habitual distraction method prevents the public from noticing reality. Today's news marks the incestuous mingling of authoritarians merging our supposedly separate and limited branches of government into an amalgamated Beast.

The percussionist, reading the score, awaits for the correct entry to break the mounting suspense of silence. Given, "natural born citizen" is only one motive within the 2012 Overture. But then, remember as well that Schubert illustrated within his Unfinished Symphony how to utilize its "least significant" theme to provide the structural cohesion of his orchestral masterpiece.

373 Okay, I found the answer to the last question on this matter I'm going to worry about. The factcheck.org document which is also labelled "Certificate of Live Birth" is clearly a different, less detailed document. If folks who are looking closely can't pick out any other problems that's good enough for me.

It was fun while it lasted, though.

And he's still a socialist.

374
The people who expound that theory simply think they are so brilliant that they and they alone are qualified to fill in what the framers left out but must have really meant.
Posted by: DrewM.

Whereas the people who mount that particular attack think they are so brilliant that they and they alone are qualified to ignore the legal contemporary encyclopedias used by our 18th Century Founders.

Read their correspondences, DrewM., and learn for yourself. Don't stay stuck on stupid applies to the retention of ignorance as well as to the revision of our Founders' historical setting in order to facilitate the retention of today's current socialist state of affairs. 

375 "how DID Ryan's sealed divorce file get leaked, anyway?" Legal protections are only for Democrats, silly Republican.

376 Can someone give a reasonable explanation as to why most characters are a uniform color with sharp edges, while some are not uniform in color and have less well-defined edges. For example, the last 1 in the 10641 under "Department of Health" or the "M" in "P.M." under the hour (which is also a different size than the P). Just wondering if something in the automagic pdf scanner/maker would do this or not.

377 Okay, Colonel Lakin was possessed of a false conspiracy theory. So... the response is to let the court martial proceed rather than simply releasing the document that would clear all this up? That's not why Lakin was convicted. Let me tell you how the military get convictions over regulation violations (this is how they taught us in Basic Training). Take haircuts. In the long-haired 1970s, there was a great deal of resistance in the enlisted ranks to the military haircut. Creative people would find loopholes or alternative interpretations of the uniform regulations to say that they were in compliance with the haircut reg even with long, flowing hair. If they persisted in their resistance to getting a haircut to the extent of forcing a court martial, they always lost. Why? Because they were never court martialed over the haircut regulation. Instead, somebody in their chain of command would give them a clear and direct order to get a haircut. When they refused, THEN they got court martialed... for refusing a legal order! Now let's go back go Lakin. He makes a fuss about whether Obama is legally President and can't order him to go to Afghanistan (or where ever). The military skips by the whole birth certificate issue by having somebody in Lakin's chain of command issue a legal order to go to Afghantistan. He doesn't and he gets convicted for disobeying a legal order.

378 Is the no footprint, no emboss a state to state thing?  Or the original BC is gone & this is what's left?

379 Even folks who give this thing the lip service of saying he should have done this earlier should be prevented from voting or owning guns or maybe even just walking around. If folks like the Virginia Tech shooter were clearly crazy and in need of being stifled, even in the eyes of the most ardent "Constitutionalists", so are all these. The only thing the President should have done earlier is to have made it a practice to say, at the end of every public utterance, and paraphrasing Cato, "In my opinion, all of you should just kiss my entire so-and-so ass".

380 Posted by: by any other name at April 27, 2011 02:46 PM (H+LJc)

The founders were smart guys. If they want to include something in the Constitution they would have. They managed to make themselves quite clear without forcing us to look at their letters.

You do know for example that "Separation of Church and State" isn't part of the Constitution but from a letter Jefferson wrote. Unlike liberals, I don't think that binding on us.

So which correspondences count and which don't?

381 Staring contest over. The fucker has blinked. Special thanks to TV's Donald Trump for providing the critical distraction that finally threw things our way. Obviously Obama is still suspected of being an undocumented immigrant from Assholeistan. (Which is believed to be one of he '57 states' mentioned in his 2008 campaign)

382 This looks suspicious to me. I was born in the same hospital in 1950 and my daughter was born in the same hospital in 1972, the questions on our certified birth certificates are exactly the same (I'm looking at it right now), however, Obama's questions are different. Where is the Seal of the State of Hawaii, questions on the certificate should be uniformed just like my daughter's and mine. Why are his questions different when we were all born in the same hospital. Just askin...

383 For those still interested, market-ticker.org has observed that the PDF of the new improved certificate has clearly been altered. He's talking about stuff still being in the clipboard, which I understand in other contexts, but not sure about PDFs.

384 Wacky meme for tomorrow: Obama's long form birth certificate was OBVIOUSLY typed on the same miraculous model of type-writer as Dan Rather's 'fake but accurate' military memos concerning Bush's failure to satisfy his Air-Force reserve obligations. The paper it's typed on was made from all natural Indonesian arugula fiber and was typed with with a special typewriter ribbon known to be frequently imported from Kenya by Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground. Al Gore has often claimed that the production of these special Kenyan ribbons is responsible for rapidly accelerating man-caused glob..uh..climate change. Analysis of the paper was found to implicitly support scientific speculation that Janet Napolitano is an ugly, barrel-cankled beast of a woman who can smell a right-wing protest..uh violent racist tea bagger terrorist from a mile (1.5 kilometers) away and only grabs the tits of little white girls in airport security to maintain public safety from the threat of potential attacks that such people represent to our (new, progressive, multicultural, entirely sharia compatible) shared values. I mean THINK People! What if that little girl or her daddy brought a cross on a an airplane and some one saw it or they tried to prevent someone from getting a late term abortion or reported someone for being in our country without official permission?

385 Jayne, Drew M.: Indeed the Constitution says nothing about parents. Chester A. Arthur's father was Irish born, and was not naturalized till Chester was 14. Spiro Agnew's father was a Greek immigrant. So were the parents of Mike Dukakis. The fathers of Geraldine Ferraro and Ed Muskie were both immigrants. Charles Evans Hughes (Republican candidate in 1916) was born to parents who were British immigrants, not yet naturalized at the time. It was claimed in 1916 that he was therefore not a "natural born citizen". The peculiar intensity of this issue for some people, and their attraction to legal claims never before asserted does suggest an unspoken and improper motive, deriving from a unique quality of the Obama case. That may be true for some, but there is a second unique quality which also contributes: unlike the cases listed above, Obama's father was never an American. Even that doesn't really matter - his mother was, and he was born in the U.S. But one can see why it would make some people crazy.

386 375 Jayne, 379 Drew M.: Indeed the Constitution says nothing about parents.
Chester A. Arthur's father was Irish born, and was not naturalized till Chester was 14.
Spiro Agnew's father was a Greek immigrant. So were the parents of Mike Dukakis.
The fathers of Geraldine Ferraro and Ed Muskie were both immigrants.
Charles Evans Hughes (Republican candidate in 1916) was born to parents who were British immigrants, not yet naturalized at the time. It was claimed in 1916 that he was therefore not a "natural born citizen".
The peculiar intensity of this issue for some people, and their attraction to legal claims never before asserted does suggest an unspoken and improper motive, deriving from a unique quality of the Obama case. That may be true for some, but there is a second unique quality which also contributes: unlike the cases listed above, Obama's father was never an American.
Even that doesn't really matter - his mother was, and he was born in the U.S.
But one can see why it would make some people crazy.

387

I guess they have different people typing these things.  Box 7c. of Obama's says "Honolulu, Hawaii".  While Box 7c. of the Nordyke Twin BC says "Honolulu, Oahu".

Also, the typer of Obama's BC tried to center each word in the boxes (sometimes not very well).  The Nordyke typer didn't hardly try.

As far as the green backgound goes, the photo on twitter must have been printed with background turned off.

388 And Karl Denninger sees funny editing using Adobe Illustrator.

389 I'm reading Denninger now.

390 It looks fake. 

391 quotes:

THOMAS JEFFERSON
"I can't omit recommending a revisal of the laws on the subject of naturalization. ... The Constitution, indeed, has wisely provided that, for admission to certain offices of important trust, a residence shall be required sufficient to develop character and design. But might not the general character and capabilities of a citizen be safely communicated to everyone manifesting a bona fide purpose of embarking his life and fortune permanent with us? with restriction, perhaps, to guard against the fraudulent assumption of our flag; an abuse which brings so much embarrassment and loss of the genuine citizen, and so much danger to the nation of being involved in war, that no endeavor should be spared to detect and supress it. -- FIRST ANNUAL MESSAGE. viii, 14. FORD E., viii, 124. (Dec. 1801) [available online, The Jefferson cyclopedia, page 609, entry #5699]

The term Natural born Citizen appears in our Constitution, in Article 1, Section 2, with these words, “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”

Before the Constitution the closest reference we have to Natural Born Citizen is from the legal treatise “The Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. In book one chapter 19,

§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

"Please note that the correct title of Vattel's Book I, Chapter 19, section 212, is “Of the citizens and naturals”. It is not “Of citizens and natives” as it was originally translated into English. While other translation errors were corrected in reprints, that 1759 translation error was never corrected in reprints. The error was made by translators in London operating under English law, and was mis-translated in error, or was possibly translated to suit their needs to convey a different meaning to Vattel to the English only reader. In French, as a noun, native is rendered as “originaire” or “indigene”, not as “naturel”. For “naturel” to mean native would need to be used as an adjective.  In fact when Vattel defines "natural born citizens" in the second sentence of section 212 after defining general or ordinary citizens in the first sentence, you see that he uses the word "indigenes" for natives along with "Les naturels" in that sentence. He used the word "naturels" to emphasize clearly who he was defining as those who were born in the country of two citizens of the country.  Also, when we read Vattel, we must understand that Vattel's use of the word "natives" in 1758 is not to be read with modern day various alternative usages of that word. You must read it in the full context of sentence 2 of section 212 to fully understand what Vattel was defining from natural law, i.e., natural born citizenship of a country. Please see the photograph of the original French for Chapter 19, Section 212, here in the original French if you have any doubts. Please do not simply look at the title as some have suggested that is all you need to do. Vattel makes it quite clear he is not speaking of natives in this context as someone simply born in a country, but of natural born citizens, those born in the country of two citizens of the country. Our founding Fathers were men of high intellectual abilities, many were conversant in French, the diplomatic language of that time period. Benjamin Franklin had ordered 3 copies of the French Edition of “Le droit des gens,” which he deferred to as the authoritative version as to what Vattel wrote and what Vattel meant and intended to elucidate.

392

This Just In!

President Obama finally releases birth certificate;  Buckingham Palace:  "No, sorry, you still aren't invited to the Royal Wedding"

393 Ace I am with you on the dark horse. But I think BHO just sprayed gasoline, not shrapnel, on the Theory 2. Trump won't shut up about it. He commands media attention whether they like it or not (they gotta cover him, it's like covering a giant fire in a warehouse!). He will either force BHO to produce grades, or put such doubt in the mind of the public, BHO will be severely damaged. This is all the stuff that the independents had a willing suspension of disbelief over last time. Now that they know he ain't The Unicorn, they will pay attention. Trump is sowing seeds.  It's a beautiful thing.

If the WH weren't heading towards... maybe it's not quite panic mode, maybe it's... somewhat discomfitted mode, BHO never would have held a presser today and mentioned Trump by name.

394 That font is identical to what you will find on Word 97 as printed by a dot matrix printer....yeah...obvious fake.
NEXT!
(for the clue-challenged, this was a joke OK?)

395 "how DID Ryan's sealed divorce file get leaked, anyway?"

Picard went back in time to pork seven of nine and convinced her the future would be a disaster without her chaste over-reaction to her husband's carnal desires

396 246 Speller, his dad actually was African, you know. Not African-American, but African. Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 11:39 AM (nj1bB) There was no such concept as an "African-American" in 1961.

397 Ace,

I'll see your "Transcripter" and raise you a passport for travelling to Pakistan when it was interdicted.

I am the FIRST PASSPORTER!!!!!11!!eleventy

398 For the mouth breathing lurkers who don't know why the 13 stripes on our flag start with red and end with red, ObowMao is still not eligible for the Presidency.

His dad was a subject of the British Crown. In 1961, we didn't have anchor babies. His daddy was British, therefore Barry Dunham IS British.

399

BHO's latest doesn't pass the smell test! Speller is right: Show one other BC from the early '60's that lists "African" as the race of a parent! 

Show any official document where a son is named after his father and is listed as a "II" instead of "Jr". If you're named after dad you're a "Jr." ---I know firsthand, I fought that battle with some credit card companies!

Why is BHO's official BC number out of sequence? His BC was filed with the official Registrar a couple days earlier than the Nordyke twins,who were born a day later in Kapiolani, yet his number is higher than theirs? Can't they count in Hawaii?

Birth place of a parent is a city and  state or country, not a country and direction on a continent: "Kenya, East Africa"? WTF? Does one say  "Massachusetts, East US" as one's  place of birth? How about "Nairobi, Kenya," which was Obama Sr's true birthplace?

Nope, the bunch who f*#ked up the originally-posted"Certification of Live Birth, fubar-ed this document as well! 

Why can't I ever get lucky enough to have such goofballs prep my opponents' docs  for their court cases?

400

This whole issue of ObamaÂ’s birth certificate is irrelevant, unless Barack Hussein Obama is not his father.

He states in his book that his father was a British Citizen, making him Constitutionally unqualified to be President of the United States!

Natural Born Citizen requires that both parents are Citizens.

Native Born is someone born on US soil.

Natural Born relates to parentage, Native Born refers to where you were born.

Barack has clearly stated that his alleged father was not a Citizen; therefore, where he was born is irrelevant!

401 Want to know how this whole "birther" thing started in the first place?

go to:

http://olliescommonsense.blogspot.com

Copy and paste to browser.

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