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July 19, 2011

Obama Spokesman: No, Obama Is Not Proposing A Plan. And You're Welcome
— DrewM

Once again Jake Tapper gets the goods from Jay Carney.

CARNEY: Leadership is not proposing a plan for the sake of having it voted up or down, and likely voted down because it is Â— look, you know how this town works and how Congress works. If an individual, whether Democrat or Republican leader, steps forward and says, this is my plan and solely my plan, it makes it a lot harder for that plan to be the basis for a bipartisan compromise. The way to reach a bipartisan compromise is in bipartisan negotiations where a plan emerges that is the product of that negotiation and is supported by Republicans and Democrats and then presented. Otherwise, your chances of actually achieving something diminish greatly.

I guess this just happens magically or something.

Personally I'd describe Obama's leadership style as "Bitch about people actually doing something and then take credit for it later".

Keep in mind the Gang of 6 "plan" Obama was talking about today, isn't so much a plan as a plan to have a plan. And some of that is of questionable valuable to say the least.

The plan claims just $500 billion in Â“immediate deficit savings,Â” but even these donÂ’t seem all that immediate. HereÂ’s whatÂ’s included as Â“immediateÂ”:
-- Statutory spending caps through 2015. But that still leaves the actual cuts to be determined.
-- Â“(N)umerous budget process reforms.Â” Again, thatÂ’s not an actual cut.
-- Â“Shift to the chained-CPI (a more accurate measure of inflation) government-wide starting in 2012, along with the following specifications for Social Security: (1) exempt SSI from the shift for five years, and then phase in the shift over the next five years; and (2) provide a minimum benefit equal to 125% of the poverty line for five years.Â”
In other words, let some future Congress can fight it out with AARP in 2017 when it comes times to actually implement this change.

So for all of the complaining, there's sill only one party in this whole mess who actually has proposed a plan that can be voted on. And that's the one President Leading by Not Leading is attacking.

Posted by: DrewM at 02:25 PM | Comments (86)
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1 First?

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 19, 2011 02:27 PM (HjxoE)

2 Leading from behind what?

Posted by: huerfano at July 19, 2011 02:27 PM (ZJ2JH)

3 Present

Posted by: TOTUS at July 19, 2011 02:27 PM (SwkdU)

4 2 Leading from behind what?

Posted by: huerfano at July 19, 2011 06:27 PM (ZJ2JH)

I think you mean "behind whom?"

Posted by: Kal Penn at July 19, 2011 02:29 PM (T0NGe)

5 The way to reach a bipartisan compromise is in bipartisan negotiations where a plan emerges that is the product of that negotiation and is supported by Republicans and Democrats and then presented.

And of course, the best way to make that bipartisan negotiation succeed is to accuse your negotiating partners of wanting to feed Grandma to the sharks. Repeatedly, and in public.

Posted by: pep at July 19, 2011 02:29 PM (6TB1Z)

6 My plan? No fat chicks.

Posted by: Rick Perry at July 19, 2011 02:29 PM (Dqb/n)

7 So the "Gang of Six" plan is to elongate a mirror or two and intermittently use grey smoke instead of white?

Fail^Fail.

What a clusterfuck of a charade.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2011 02:30 PM (r4t7/)

8 Personally I'd describe Obama's leadership style as "Bitch about people actually doing something and then take credit for it later".

this

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2011 02:30 PM (UOM48)

9 Ron Paul (yes, yes, I know) has a great ad running in Iowa that reminds us of the deals in which tax increases were traded for broken promises on spending, once with Reagan, once with GHWBush.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2011 02:30 PM (T0NGe)

10 Oh Obama can kiss my lily white ass.

Posted by: alexthechick at July 19, 2011 02:31 PM (sf+iw)

11 I've never been struck out in my life.

Posted by: Baseball Barry at July 19, 2011 02:31 PM (SwkdU)

12 Mmmmm............lily white ass.

Posted by: Rick Perry at July 19, 2011 02:31 PM (Dqb/n)

13 And yet Tapper will gladly vote once again for President Empty Suit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2011 02:32 PM (UOM48)

14 11 I've never been struck out in my life.

Posted by: Baseball Barry at July 19, 2011 06:31 PM (SwkdU)

He's the Eddie Gaedel of politics.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2011 02:32 PM (T0NGe)

15 Carney's answer sounds a little like what some of my classmates used to give when they didn't know the actual answer to a question. Restate the question, obfuscate and try to bullshit your way to a solid B+.

Posted by: huerfano at July 19, 2011 02:32 PM (ZJ2JH)

Is this a post about sodomy?

Posted by: Bosk at July 19, 2011 02:32 PM (n2K+4)

Personally I'd describe Obama's leadership style as "Bitch about people actually doing oppose something and then take credit for it later if it works".

Posted by: Cicero at July 19, 2011 02:32 PM (QKKT0)

18 Bosk: "Is this a post about sodomy?"

Ultimately, the all are. [*sigh*]

Posted by: The Chicken at July 19, 2011 02:35 PM (r4t7/)

19 O/T lol

Al Qaeda in Yemen is eulogizing Bin Laden, claiming he fought to the end in a vicious battle with the SEALS.

Instead of crying like a little bitch and flinging one of his wives at them.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2011 02:35 PM (UOM48)

20 The important thing is to dismiss all plans that don't include more Socialism. Eventually the general unwashed will grow weary and it will be business as usual except that federal employees will be paid in gold coins for some reason.

Posted by: eater of the chocolates at July 19, 2011 02:35 PM (mexsR)

21 He's the Eddie Gaedel of politics.

Thanks to the ONT, I know that name. I knew of the incident and Bill Veeck prior, but the cob-logger done furthered my edumacation.

Posted by: fluffy plays inside baseball at July 19, 2011 02:36 PM (SwkdU)

22 Sorry, but I have to share:

That seals it. The Nuge backs Perry.

Posted by: Y-not at July 19, 2011 02:36 PM (5H6zj)

23 He's absolutely right- leadership is about negotiation, not proposing a plan that conforms to your principles and implementing it.

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at July 19, 2011 02:37 PM (SY2Kh)

24 There was also something in the Gang of Six plan about "spending health-care dollars wisely". Um, how do they propose doing that and when has the gov't spent any kind of monies "wisely"?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 19, 2011 02:37 PM (c0A3e)

25 Just who is this Gang of Dicks I keep hearing about?

Posted by: Breaker19 at July 19, 2011 02:38 PM (qdI7N)

26 So this is the typical Republican surrender. Tax increases for "unspecified cuts" later down the road.

Gee, are we reading their lips? All I can say fk these assholes with a porcupine.

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2011 02:38 PM (M9Ie6)

So...it can't happen in America, eh?

Neither party is interested in setting things straight...and even if they set things straight, doing all of the right things for all of the right reasons, your lives will change - so dramatically that life, as you've always known it, will be over. If they don't set things straight, life, as you've always known it, is still over, but with a higher body count.

Embrace the doom!

In the meantime, stock up on the beans, bullets and band-aids and get to know your local prepper/survivalist.

(Google: 'A Reader's Resources on Systemic Collapse.')

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at July 19, 2011 02:38 PM (E7Z1r)

28 I'm not sure what bothers me more about the JEF: That he's a bigger fucking liar than Slick (and much worse at doing it) or that he's so goddamn lazy yet acts like he's above it all. I would think the latter thing would have to grate on the nerves of the donkeycrats, except for the certified retards like Durbin who looks like a Downs Syndrome sufferer without the pleasant personality that people having it usually possess, but maybe they're so used to being second fiddle knowing that MSLSD will still suck their nads anyway suffices.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 19, 2011 02:38 PM (zsvKP)

29 10Oh Obama can kiss my lily white ass.

Posted by: alexthechick at July 19, 2011 06:31 PM (sf+iw)

Sorry still stuck on this........

Posted by: Johnnyreb at July 19, 2011 02:39 PM (NNrYJ)

30 Perry/Nuge '12

Posted by: Bosk at July 19, 2011 02:39 PM (n2K+4)

31 "24 Sorry, but I have to share: That seals it. The Nuge backs Perry." The Nuge has a place near Waco. All Texans (even Naturalized) are required to support a Texan by law.

Posted by: LBJ's Ghost at July 19, 2011 02:40 PM (mexsR)

32 @thehill: Boehner's office says Gang of Six proposal 'appears to fall short' http://bit.ly/pn6eMY

Posted by: '80sBaby at July 19, 2011 02:40 PM (o2lIv)

33 This is the Summer of Obama. Embrace it. You wingnuts are jealous of his intellect and golf skilz.

Posted by: Steven Marche at July 19, 2011 02:41 PM (UOM48)

Le aders hip

Gallic variant of a venomous reptile, currently thought to be in fashion

Posted by: thought so at July 19, 2011 02:42 PM (ucq49)

35 The gang of six plan is no plan at all but just more of the same bullshit. If anyone falls for that crap they should have their head removed from their ass. "I promise I will not cum in your mouth" ? Ever heard that one before?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2011 02:42 PM (i6RpT)

36 "I promise I will not cum in your mouth" ? Ever heard that one before?

No, NTTAWWT

Posted by: fluffy at July 19, 2011 02:43 PM (SwkdU)

37 But he's so . . . . bipartisan. And he sounds so . . . . reasonable.

It is staged political theater, and it looks as if he is coming out on top. The NPR news pronouncers were in heaven this afternoon, praising the progress as something their president can accept.

Posted by: The Adult in the Room Full of Morons at July 19, 2011 02:44 PM (4sQwu)

38 Doesn't matter which way things go now, no way anything is getting done by Aug 2nd. Not happening. Now things get interesting.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2011 02:44 PM (TMB3S)

39 The country has long hungered for numerous budget process reforms and a shift to the chained-CPI. Thank you, gang of six, for slaking our thirst.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 19, 2011 02:44 PM (+lsX1)

40 CK gone squish again. He likes the gang of 6 crap except he say only raise debt ceiling by 1/2T that they supposedly cut immediately.

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2011 02:45 PM (M9Ie6)

At the gangbang, oh yes we will, because the gangbang gives me such a thrill, when I was younger and in my prime, I used to gangbang all the time, now that I'm older and turning gray, I only gangbang once per daaaay.

---------Rugby song chorus remembered from college and applicable to today's news

Posted by: dagny at July 19, 2011 02:45 PM (Ph6xU)

42 "I promise I will not cum in your mouth" ? Ever heard that one before?

Many, many times. *nods sadly*

Posted by: C*ntessa Brewer at July 19, 2011 02:45 PM (c0A3e)

43 It's official - Barry likes dem gheys.

Posted by: Chuckit at July 19, 2011 02:46 PM (zwmid)

44 Word on the shtreets is you fuckers is holding. I know you fuckers is holding. Pony up, bitches!

Posted by: HuggyBama at July 19, 2011 02:47 PM (LEcV+)

45 40 Doesn't matter which way things go now, no way anything is getting done by Aug 2nd. Not happening.

Now things get interesting.

They'll likely pass something small and we'll have to do all of this again soon.

Posted by: '80sBaby at July 19, 2011 02:48 PM (o2lIv)

46 krauthammer was just on fully endorsing this plan????

([er my friend who called and said turn on fox but I didn't get it on fast enough)

Posted by: curious at July 19, 2011 02:49 PM (k1rwm)

47 I'm starting to think some of these assholes in the Senate don't get how pissed the base is. Well if they buy this gang of six shit, I got an idea they are gonna find out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2011 02:49 PM (i6RpT)

48 44 Word!

Posted by: Mo "the blow" Dowd at July 19, 2011 02:50 PM (LEcV+)

Posted by: Chuckit at July 19, 2011 06:46 PM (zwmid)

Finally, my dream of a frilly white and pink wedding with Barack in a small, tasteful chapel in rural New York can become a reality!

Thank you, honey! Many smooches!

Posted by: Kal Penn at July 19, 2011 02:51 PM (c0A3e)

50 >>They'll likely pass something small and we'll have to do all of this again soon. Look what's going on in the two House's right now and tell me how you see a compromise that will get worked into legislation, voted on and signed by Obama in less than two weeks. I don't see it. And I don't see the markets waiting around until the actual deadline either.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2011 02:51 PM (TMB3S)

51 Currious see 42

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2011 02:54 PM (M9Ie6)

52 It'll be a nice day for a White Wedding.

Posted by: Kal Penn at July 19, 2011 02:55 PM (c0A3e)

53 The Gang of Six is holding a pair of two's, we've got a full house, and Obama has already announced his bluff. All in....

Posted by: Breaker19 at July 19, 2011 02:56 PM (qdI7N)

54 52 Look what's going on in the two House's right now and tell me how you see a compromise that will get worked into legislation, voted on and signed by Obama in less than two weeks.

I don't see it. And I don't see the markets waiting around until the actual deadline either.

I don't and I've never seen one. But we know they're going to keep trying.

Posted by: '80sBaby at July 19, 2011 02:56 PM (o2lIv)

Someone should put togeter a commercial. Maybe starting out with the dramatic voice asking "What do you want in a leader?"

Then show a bunch of clips of Obama angerly demanding that others lead.

Posted by: PugBoo at July 19, 2011 02:59 PM (20jXV)

56 He likes the gang of 6 crap except he say only raise debt ceiling by 1/2T that they supposedly cut immediately.

That's all it should be raised at a time. I don't care if they need to do it every three months. Keep the people aware how Washington has no desire to deal with our debt.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 19, 2011 02:59 PM (GZitp)

57 Meh- fight for the best deal we can, but with the Dems holding the Senate and White House, it's a foregone conclusion that we're going to get fucked.

The notion that we're groovy with a shutdown might be a good negotiation tactic, but politically the GOP would come out poorly if it lasted any length of time. Voters don't want the debt ceiling raised, but they wouldn't look kindly on an immediate 40% cut in discretionary spending either- especially after the MFM portrays it as Armageddon.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 19, 2011 03:00 PM (SY2Kh)

58 Do they think we're unaware of the difference between a billion and a trillion?

Yes.

Posted by: Tom Coburn at July 19, 2011 03:03 PM (JEvSn)

59 What a strange sensation. It just dawned on me that if this plan actually IS the plan they go with then my party officially abandoned me.It was like a warm wind blowing across my body, almost as if the large collection of elephant sized balls that the GOP members have been missing had vanished, just been lifted off of me so I can breath fresh, clean air again. I will use this new founded, born again opportunity to deny the GOP another dime of my money,Only those new candidates that go after these balless GOP socialists with as much fervor as they go after the Democrat socialists will have my coinage and they will come. Tine to breath the clean air again to stop standing on pins and needles for days and weeks on end hoping that the Republicans would do the right thing for the right reasons. They have left me and I'm glad.

Posted by: Drider at July 19, 2011 03:03 PM (uJSfP)

60 Please!! Obozo has no plan. He just wants to take pot shots at the GOP plan and build enough momentum to do business as usual! The Gang of Dog Squeeze are only establishment hacks including Coburn. Ryan and lately even Boehner seem to have O-Blow-Me's number when they refuse to raise taxes. Levin is probably livid about The Goon Platoon of Six.

Posted by: Krazy Kat at July 19, 2011 03:03 PM (A23u6)

61 >>I don't and I've never seen one. But we know they're going to keep trying. Oh I don't doubt the game will continue but I have never seen the sides in DC both so ideologically divergent and so equally matched. The wings off both parties are as strong as ever and the middle is small and weak and the Republicans and Dems are almost equally split. Maybe not in absolute power to actually get what they want passed or in the eyes of the public but in the ability to hamstring each other, pretty equal. Both sides seem remarkably dug in so I don't see this ending in a compromise any time soon.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2011 03:03 PM (TMB3S)

62 Teh JEF is leading from his own behind.

Posted by: Marmo the Greater at July 19, 2011 03:05 PM (1KSBb)

Then show a bunch of clips of Obama angerly demanding that others lead.

Posted by: PugBoo at July 19, 2011 06:59 PM (20jXV)

I have a tee time to keep! Get with it, losers!

Posted by: President Mulligan at July 19, 2011 03:05 PM (/gLcW)

64 64 Oh I don't doubt the game will continue but I have never seen the sides in DC both so ideologically divergent and so equally matched. The wings off both parties are as strong as ever and the middle is small and weak and the Republicans and Dems are almost equally split. Maybe not in absolute power to actually get what they want passed or in the eyes of the public but in the ability to hamstring each other, pretty equal.

Both sides seem remarkably dug in so I don't see this ending in a compromise any time soon.

I can't argue with any of that.

Posted by: '80sBaby at July 19, 2011 03:06 PM (o2lIv)

65 Hollowpoint, you do realize that no matter what happens on any given day, on any given issue that they GOP will come out looking bad. To use that excuse for not doing the right thing in no excuse of all.Tell my again why they run for office? A re you telling me they aren't aware of the fact that they will never get good press, is their life long objective to be a better socialist than the Democrats? Looking bad is the reason for the end of the nation as we know it? I call BS, now and forever on that lame excuse.

Posted by: Drider at July 19, 2011 03:09 PM (uJSfP)

66 17

Is this a post about sodomy?

Posted by: Bosk at July 19, 2011 06:32 PM (n2K+4)

No its about rape!

Posted by: Krazy Kat at July 19, 2011 03:13 PM (A23u6)

67 "The plan claims just $500 billion in Â“immediate deficit savings,Â” but even these donÂ’t seem all that immediate."

You haters! You got your immediate 400,00 new healthcare jobs! Sit down. STFU. And eat your peas. Like Our Father has told us.

Posted by: blinky at July 19, 2011 03:24 PM (ucq49)

68 Looking bad is the reason for the end of the nation as we know it?
I call BS, now and forever on that lame excuse.

"Looking bad" is the reason we had two years of a Democrat-controlled White House, Senate and House, the result being the massive clusterfuck we're in now.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 19, 2011 03:28 PM (SY2Kh)

69 "Looking bad" is the reason we had two years of a Democrat-controlled White House, Senate and House, the result being the massive clusterfuck we're in now. You giving the Democrats entirely too much credit, the always average looking GOP has always, ALWAYS been right along side them, rubber stamping the Dems programs so that they didn't look too, too bad. Soooo, What has it gotten us? Ahhhh, right, where we are today.

Posted by: Drider at July 19, 2011 03:33 PM (uJSfP)

70 Mr. Carney, the unicorns have arrived for tomorrow's session but, unfortunately the floor is covered with Skittles. What do you want me to do with these chickens?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at July 19, 2011 03:51 PM (qwK3S)

Son: Bipartisan? Politically, is that some sort of sex position?

Dad: Its where legislation comes from.

Mom: And where somone gets screwed.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at July 19, 2011 03:54 PM (qwK3S)

Personally I'd describe Obama's leadership style as "Bitch about people actually doing something and then take credit for it later".

======

Thaths dethspicable!

Posted by: Daffy Duck at July 19, 2011 03:55 PM (mQMnK)

73 Â“(N)umerous budget process reforms.Â” Seriously? Really? Seriously Okay, have you heard the one about the cannibals eating a clown? If you're going to recycle the oldest jokes in the book, try and pick a good one, Gang. Oh, and bite me.

Posted by: George Orwell at July 19, 2011 03:57 PM (+vkOU)

Of course, Comrade Barry doesn't need to propose anything. Gosh, he won't even need another fundraiser. HeÂ’s about to haul in the big one Â– and the stupid RINOs are delivering it for him. He wonÂ’t need $1B for his campaign. These damn, unprincipled RINOs are selling out the country to the despicable, petty tyrant.

ItÂ’s time to call up the power of the Tea Party.

Posted by: fava beans and a nice chianti at July 19, 2011 03:58 PM (r1b5V)

75 Son: Bipartisan? Politically, is that some sort of sex position? It pretty much guarantees you'll get all the screwing but none of the pleasure.

Posted by: George Orwell at July 19, 2011 03:59 PM (+vkOU)

76 If an individual, whether Democrat or Republican leader, steps forward and says, this is my plan and solely my plan, it makes it a lot harder for that plan to be the basis for a bipartisan compromise.

That's why Democrats demanded a plan from Republicans. Carney admits that Democrats demand plans from Republicans so they can demagogue them to death.

Posted by: JohnJ at July 19, 2011 04:06 PM (Tt6ky)

77 "Personally I'd describe Obama's leadership style as "Bitch about people actually doing something and then take credit for it later". Provided it works out the way he wants. Otherwise it's back to the demigogue trail of Obie Wan and his minions and dimoncrats.

Posted by: TimothyJ at July 19, 2011 04:09 PM (w7YPP)

78 Republicans should use this to say they refuse to offer more plans. Good lord, it was just yesterday Democrats were screaming demands for a Republican plan.

Posted by: JohnJ at July 19, 2011 04:09 PM (Tt6ky)

12,000 Googleresults for "what's the Republican plan". Only 2,500 for "what's the Democrat plan".

Posted by: JohnJ at July 19, 2011 04:19 PM (Tt6ky)

Republicans in House need to coem up with a bill to pay for debt payments, social security, and military pay. Pass it and send it to the Senate.

Let Harry Reid not let it come to a vote in the senate and if he does and it passes I dare Obama to veto it.

Posted by: retired military at July 19, 2011 04:33 PM (kZW4U)

81 You giving the Democrats entirely too much credit, the always average looking GOP has always, ALWAYS been right along side them, rubber stamping the Dems programs so that they didn't look too, too bad.

Soooo, What has it gotten us? Ahhhh, right, where we are today.

It wasn't a rubber stamp from the GOP that got us Obamacare, the "stimulus", and a massive spending increase without an actual budget being passed. It was Dem control of Congress and the White House that brought those to pass.

We only control the House; until that changes, we're not getting everything that we want. Yeah, I know- that whole "democracy" thing is a bitch sometimes.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 19, 2011 04:43 PM (SY2Kh)

82 He's the Eddie Gaedel of politics.

Very nice. Or as the Scots say, a wee man. Even when he stands up, he casts a short shadow.

Posted by: that guy that compliments other's obscure cultural references at July 19, 2011 04:43 PM (GTbGH)

83 Hollowpoint, you have to come to grips that the GOP, by their laid back,gutless.......Don't write anything bad about me.....attitude has allowed just about everything that is wrong with this country to be able to happen.They are the biggest socialist enablers on the planet simply because they fear bad press. I remember the Republicans SCREAMING at the top of their lungs all the time OBamacare was being passed.THey did so because there is nothing so ferocious than a Republican with no power,they looked good spouting off about something that they were powerless to stop. It's a huge turn in their attitude now that they can actually force the issue but they won't.It seems they are all of the sudden back to enabeling the enemy,lest the press write bad things about them. This plan that is gaining traction is the exact same junk they both have been pulling off for years. Moodys said that the plan is a joke and that we may be downgraded even if they enact the deal.Guess who is going to take the fall for it when that happens?

Posted by: Drider at July 19, 2011 05:35 PM (uJSfP)

84 I donÂ’t usually add my comments, but I will in this case. Nice work. I look forward to reading more.

Posted by: The Stranger’s Child Audiobook at July 19, 2011 06:16 PM (qz3ej)

85 Gobble-gobble-gobble-gobble-gobble-gobble-gobble-gobble-gobble...........

Posted by: Just Talking Turkey at July 19, 2011 06:27 PM (bPgPL)

86 Â“Shift to the chained-CPI (a more accurate measure of inflation)"

This is a default on TIPS. I just sold my TIPS to some idiot who was willing to accept a negative yield. Thank you, idiot.

Posted by: schizoid at July 19, 2011 08:11 PM (FOQqd)

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