1 I guess I don't have to hold back anymore. heh.

2 The dumb ass MSM will cover his ass the way they did in 2008.

3 Good job Mr O'Spades.  Hopefully the Ruling Class will hear this over the country club wall.

4 "They're right. One cannot set policy from Congress." Not in Taft's day, or before. If Congress had the guts to do it, it COULD take charge. Congress is the subject of the first Article and the first word of the First Amendment. Congress is intended to be the primary arm of the government, with the executive executing the will of Congress. Things aren't done that way now, but that's not because they CAN'T be done. It's just because they aren't.

5 UNLEASH THE DOGS OF WAR!

6 The GOP as a group will never attack Obama because they are too afraid now of being told that they lack civility or worse yet that they are "raaaaaaacist." The only person who does it regularly is Sarah Palin.

7 Michelle is always complaining about his passivity too. For some reason she has to do all the work.

8 Silence! I'm busy ignoring the situation in Egypt. I'll ignore your situation when I have time.

9 New game:  predict the cowardly response on Egypt.

10 Forget Sarah Palin and the MFM. Everyone with a voice and / or a keyboard has to attack the agenda. If enough of a stink is raised they will smell it inside the palace.

11 The dumb ass MSM will cover his ass the way they did in 2008.

Posted by: moi at January 28, 2011 02:43 PM (Ez4Ql)

 

 

If it was discovered that Barry is a modern day Jack the Ripper, the MFM would ignore the story or blame Sarah Palin for making Barry a serial killer

12 New game: predict the cowardly response on Egypt. And no cheating by looking up Carter's response!

13 You don't call out a coward by calling him a coward.  You call him out by putting him in front of a challenge and insisting that he live up to his own big talk.  His inaction, his slinking away will brand him a coward more effectively than any words you can utter.

Thus the course for the GOP Congress is to put forth its proposals -- the Ryan Roadmap, the Rand Paul Plan, and such -- and say publicly and clearly to Obama, "We need you -- the American people need you -- to stand up and lead.  Tell us what your plan is, or we're going to implement our plans.  You do have a plan, don't you, Mr. President?  Hmm, that's what we thought."

14

Ace, so your finally agreeing with Palin at least on strategy?

15 That simply does it!  That vulgarian Ace is no longer invited to our Connecticut compound!

16 Good Morning.  This was worth waiting for.

17 Aw, c'mon. Don't you remember all the times he talked about "My Plan" during the never-ending debate on the healthcare bill? He didn't have a fucking plan to present until a year into the debate, and even then it was a cobbled together cut&paste job from the many plans floating about. The delay in actually presenting something allowed him to distance himself from whatever was being debated because it wasn't his plan. Sheer geeeee-nius.

18

Obama's doing the opposite. He's bloating the beast, counting on other people to raise taxes to the confiscatory levels he wants, but dares not call for himself. He is engineering a crisis with the hopes that the only solution will be huge tax increases... but he doesn't want his fingerprints on it. He'll do on this as he does on everything -- lead from behind. When a majority of people accretes around the idea that the only way to stave off fiscal calamity is to raise taxes, he'll reluctantly agree.

Nice analysis.

19

I think you're completely off base with "do-nothing."

He cancelled the F-22 just in time for the Chinese to build one.  He passed health care which will, as he promised (when speaking to progs), force everyone to a single-payer system.  He passed thousands of pages of financial "reform" which should cause the economy to stagnate nicely.  He shut down offshore drilling, thus raising the price of everything.  He rededicated NASA to pushing the Islamic revision of history.  He circumvented Congress by using EPA to declare CO2 pollution and start heavy regulation which should cause some more wonderful stagnation.  And, oh yeah, sped up our impending national bankruptcy and collapse with trillions in useless (except for D special interests) federal spending.      

He's done great things.  In a Cloward-Piven sort of way. 

20 You know who will attack personally. SARAH PALIN!

21

That simply does it!  That vulgarian Ace is no longer invited to our Connecticut compound!

Off my Facebook Friends list, buddy. You're officially ON THIN ICE, pal! Better get your head right, or I'm not fixing you up with all my ex-girlfriends anymore.

22 Well, I'd been arguing that he was lazy and stupid. Cowardly fits, though, too.

23 >>>You don't call out a coward by calling him a coward. You call him out by putting him in front of a challenge and insisting that he live up to his own big talk. His inaction, his slinking away will brand him a coward more effectively than any words you can utter. One thing I think would be useful is for the GOP to start bringing graphs on Sunday morning talk shows showing the deficit without, and with, Obama's plans for 'fixing" it, including the trivial millionaire's tax and cancelation of "oil subsidies." Show them. Show them even that with his "plan" implemented, the deficit continues to skyrocket. And then ask, "Okay, so that doesn't work. What's Step 2, Mr. President? When will you have the guts to call for increased taxation on the middle class, which is what your spending demands?"

24 Good take.  Passive-Agressive shiftless con-artist Lenin wanabe mewling coward.

25 Obama is busy presiding over the looting of our country at this moment.
He'll get back to you later, dude.

26 ON Egypt I predict that Obama will hold a small, elite gathering of academics for a round of hot cocoa and hooka.

After which all the papers will report that Obama has already responded boldly and unprecedentedly to the crisis and that he did a wonderful job.

27 Good post Ace.  But frankly it is up to the Republicans to force, drag and draft Chris Christie into running.  He's the only one out there who has the game to call Obama on the cowardice you so eloquently lay out.

28 As political strategy, perhaps this will turn out to be shrewd. Republicans will advance their budget and spending cuts, Democrats will attack them, the voters will sour, and Mr. Obama will ride to re-election. It happened in 1996.

I think the only people that will buy this lie are the hard core Dems who will buy any lie.

We knock the GOP all the time for making tiny, largely symbolic gestures at cutting the budget. These cuts, most people know, do not even begin to bring revenue and spending into line.

Fox had an asshole on earlier today who was spouting that as exactly what the Republican House is doing now!  And who still thinks that Fox is conservative?

Obama's proposed tax hikes are exactly similar, with the added feature that they'll also retard the rate of growth and thus reduce tax revenues to boot.

Oh but Ace, we had that retard columnist from the AJC spouting that Obama cut taxes posting on this blog in answer to one of Drew's columns (I think).!

29 If the House doesn't raise the debt limit, or raises it only a little, cuts will happen, perforce.

And that is wholly within their power.

30 First of all, Sarah Palin has been attacking Obama for a long time now. I can go back over a year... do we need to bring up death panels again? and what about WTF just the other day?

The problem is the pussies (the girlie men as Arnold calls them) in the Republican establishment and in Washington have not backed her up. They are silent most of the time unless the wind is blowing so hard in one direction they are carried with it and finally say something.  I will exclude Bachmann, Ryan, DeMint, etc. but lets face it... the majority of the Republican machine is run by finger in the wind and hand in the pocket people.

As you say, we now see Obama starting to enter into the campaign mode which will open him up to more good hits, but you should also remember that when Sarah Palin steps forward and enters the race, she will embark on a non-stop ground campaign that will over whelm her opponents and will roll over Obama.... those poll numbers of hers? baloney... wait til she is on the campaign trail... those will tilt in her favor pretty quickly.

31 Yeah, I remember complaining to deaf ears during that the McCain campaign would have their daily press conference early each day and the O campaign would wait until it was over and then utterly trash it.  Worked every time, and the mcains never learned to let O go first.  He is always a reactive passive aggressive coward and doesn't have the smarts or will or capacity to lead.

32 This is all assuming good faith, that Obama wants things to "get better" in a generally-accepted way.

Why assume this? What evidence do we have that Obama wants things to get better? Obama was raised by people who distrust America, who think America is too big for its britches, who want to see America humbled (at best) or destroyed (at worst).

He's a goddamned timebomb and it's time we had the guts to say so.

33 Bravo, Ace!  Great post.

34

Great post! I dig it.

To the Palin people that have a weird obsessive need to inject her into every.g'damn.thread >>>>>> STFU already. Jesus, you're tiresome.

35 He has exhibited great bleedership.

36 Perhaps you've read my Twitter column on the SOTU.

37 >>>Ace, so your finally agreeing with Palin at least on strategy? Actually yes, sort of, except I'm telling the GOP to get explicit. In the original version of this, lost due to the browser crashing, I was referencing Sarah Palin's facebook entry on this and using that as one of the take-off points. But after I lost that I didn't feel like relinking and requoting everything so I just wrote my conclusions. I usually am against "message discipline" but I think it's time. This is a meme that has to be put out there. By the way, I forgot to mention this (was in the first version), but the lefty blogosphere is always calling Obama a coward... for different reasons. But the point is, the meme is ready to be propagated. We can cite the left a lot for bandwagon effect.

38 This is nothing new, Ace.  He's been like that his whole first term so far.  The libtards on blogs like Daily Kooks have been on his case about this all during the Healthcare debate, on immigration, DADT, etc.  He has a set pattern of distancing himself from the details.. talks about the "importance" of this or that, but shows absolutely no leadership.. because it's risky to do so.

He was hands-off the whole time on healthcare (except for showy meetings, etc..) and now takes credit for that abortion.

You're right.. let's call him on it.. but this guy is slicker than Slick Willy.. nothing sticks.

39 2 The dumb ass MSM will cover his ass the way they did in 2008.

Posted by: moi at January 28, 2011 02:43 PM (Ez4Ql)

Of course they will.  But he is also exceptionally thin skinned. If he gets called a coward by the right, he and his followers will respond.  And the media will start to cover that.  And that's how we get the ball rolling on this.

40 It only appears as cowardice if you believe the lies. Why would he want to solve the problems (from our point of view) he's created? He will hang out for six more years and watch the advance of the Caliphate.

41 To the Palin people that have a weird obsessive need to inject her into every.g'damn.thread >>>>>> STFU already. Jesus, you're tiresome.

!!eleventy!!!

42 "A coward is a coward. With two years left on his term Obama has already decided to be a lame-duck because that's the path of least resistance. His allies in the media will carry him, he figures, praising him for boldness and transformational effect even when he demonstrates none at all. We have to fight that. He's a goddamned coward and he's destroying this country just so he can be remembered as a two-termer. A do-nothing two-termer, but who cares? As long as he gets to keep reading words off a TelePrompTer." Good stuff, Ace. And as many voices as possible need to start calling him a coward....NOW.

43 What needs to happen is for the House to do EXACTLY what Boner said they were going to do in the run-up to the 2010 elections.

They need to break up the budget into departmental budgets, just as the founders intended, and cut those departments to the bone. Some need to be cut such that entire groups within the department are shutdown.

One we have cut the shit out of everything, then we can look at entitlements, specifically starting with the SS disability fraud.

44 Why is the phone ringing at 3 am?  ahh, forget it, let Malia get it.

45 I just pray that our boys and girls don't have to fight their way to the planes and ships to get out of that shithole before the ME becomes completely unraveled.

46 Moot point if things go badly here.

47 >>>First of all, Sarah Palin has been attacking Obama for a long time now. I can go back over a year... do we need to bring up death panels again? and what about WTF just the other day? The problem is the pussies (the girlie men as Arnold calls them) in the Republican establishment and in Washington have not backed her up As someone else said, the All Sarah All the Time act is getting very tiresome. Please, give it a rest. The rest of us are not consumed by Sarah Palin 24/7 and we don't see every issue as an appropriate venue to talk up Palin for President. Please. It's old. I find the endless Palin promotion unserious, since apparently the top goal for such people is not saving the country but only saving the country IF Sarah Palin is at the top of the ticket.

48 But what is the point of a presidency if the president intends to just mark time for another four years as the nation spirals further into fiscal chaos?

We should be so lucky if he would just mark time.

49 Now it's OK?

After Sarah Palin has been calling him out since the 2008 election?

50 Hey, Ace, I'm banned from my home IP. I e-mailed you the info last night to the gmail address. If you haven't received it, lemme know and I'll send it back out to you.

51 The dumb ass MSMcCain will cover his ass the way they did in 2008.

Posted by: moi at January 28, 2011 02:43 PM (Ez4Ql)

There's the other half of the problem

52 At this rate, Iraq will soon be the most stable Mid-East state not named Israel.

Oh, and here is Shep fucking Smith.  Wonderful.  Might be time to switch to CNN.

53

To the Palin people that have a weird obsessive need to inject her into every.g'damn.thread >>>>>> STFU already. Jesus, you're tiresome.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 28, 2011 02:55 PM (pLTLS)

I'm sorry lacey, we can't spare this woman.  She fights.

54 >>>Now it's OK? >>>After Sarah Palin has been calling him out since the 2008 election? I am almost ready to fucking ban the endless palin promoters. You're fucking robots. The rest of us are sick of it.

55 nickless, okay, I'll check my email.

56 Thanks, Ace.

57 People mention Palin's name because she deserves credit. She's the one who has been out their battling these assholes for the past two years. Yes, we get it. You don't like her. But show her some fucking respect which includes respecting the fact that people want her to be acknowledged.

58 Does a single drop of rain fall without it having Great Consequences for the Palin 2012 campaign? Is there anything else that matters besides vindicating Sarah Palin? Apparently not. A bunch of Internet Obsessives.

59 Well, I'm an eeyore about all this today because I think I have officially lost hope. My husband, who is conservative and extremely intelligent (although no one will believe me by the end of the post, I'm sure) told me this morning that he thinks Obama is right. That we need some kind of big project like the moon shot to get our hopes up again. And that people like Palin are idiots and they gets under his skin because their ideas to cut all sorts of government spending are just too darned extreme for public consumption. My own frigging husband tells me this crap! You know, buying a Lamborghini would make me feel better about myself. But if I were to suggest we do that so that I could get a self-esteem boost I think his head would explode. But somehow that makes sense on the federal level? With 3 Trillion in annual deficits and 14 Trillion in debt. If the average Joe buys into this kind of thing, then we're seriously boned folks.

60 I think a bunch of people got banned by the broken thread last night, Ace.  I know I did. 

I don't know if Pixy has a log but there was probably a surge of hammering.  Maybe he can just unban those in a lump.

61 I find the endless Palin promotion unserious, since apparently the top goal for such people is not saving the country but only saving the country IF Sarah Palin is at the top of the ticket.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2011

Really.  Mighty broad stroke your painting with there, brother.  Some of us just gravitate towards anyone who is willing to call Teleprompter Jesus out.  If Mitch Daniels starts doing that, I will happily help Jeff B. soap his back.  Dittos for anyone else's current favorite Republican/Conservative/Non-Progressive.

62 their = there

63 >>>You don't like her. But show her some fucking respect which includes respecting the fact that people want her to be acknowledged. hahahaha I'm sorry are you suggesting Sarah Palin isn't receiving her due share of attention? hahahahaha

64 I find the endless Palin promotion unserious, since apparently the top goal for such people is not saving the country but only saving the country IF Sarah Palin is at the top of the ticket. Posted by: ace at January 28, 2011 02:59 PM (nj1bB) ---------------------------- What the hell ace? What other potential nominee (one that has not said they are "not running") has attacked Obama personally with Wright, Ayers other than Palin? Daniels was a good governor but he would never ever fight Obama and he will back down which will make independent voters not like him even more no matter how much good he has done. Same with T-Paw.

65 "Mentioning" her name is not the problem.  Constant threadjacking is the problem.  Don't be dense.

66 Only Nixon could go to China; only Obama can reform entitlements.

The GOP would love to cut all sorts of spending, but they can do very little without political cover. Raising the retirement age, cutting Medicare spending, means-testing, etc., won't go anywhere as long as the GOP knows that the Democrats will demagogue the hell out of the issue and ride it to victory next year. The only way any preliminary discussions about cutting entitlements can even begin is if Obama assures the GOP that he's with them most of the way, and he tells his own party to shut up.

Bill Clinton did it at least twice, with NAFTA and welfare reform. I don't think Obama will do it. Clinton was more of a centrist than Obama will ever be. Besides, the clock is ticking on Obama's term. If he wants to get any meaningful entitlement reform done, the time to kick things off was at the SOTU, and we all know how that went.

67

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama don't get it. 

Order needs to be restored in Egypt immediately (by whatever means necessary), and then they need to work towards reforms - not visa versa. That is a no-brainer.

The chronic fuck-up in this administration are making the same blunders that the Carter Administration made. Those damned fools have no business running this country.

68 Ok.. this will be a pretty unpopular point of view.. but, here goes.

Ya know I already am resigned that Obama will win the presidency for a second term.  I really hope we can pull one out, but looking at the electoral map, it's nearly impossible.

So, I say fuck it.  Fuck Obama.. If he wins, we gotta deal with it.  So, we have to concentrate on getting a majority in the Senate and holding and even solidifying our majority in the House.

And let's take advantage of that cowardice.  That prick will not shut down the government like Bubba.  He will cave.  We just have to take charge and be the adults and do what we think is best and dare him to veto the changes needed.

So, let's stop all the Palin cheerleading/bashing and just concentrate on the Senate.

69 Sorry to bring up Palin, but that was the impetus of the conversation with my spouse. He also apparently doesn't like Rand Paul for his $500billion in budget cuts.

70

I'm sorry are you suggesting Sarah Palin isn't receiving her due share of attention?

Well, negative leftmedia attention.

But hey, the leftmedia are never going to make nice....I hope the Palin superfans truly understand that. (I'm a fan, but not a superfan)

71 To the Palin people.

Folks, we get it. She's awesome.  rah rah rah.

However, the world does not revolve around her any more than it does Obama. There are 300+ million Americans who are not Sarah Palin that we'd like to think about occasionally as well.

When confronted with a fuel bill or the cost of diapers, I rarely think of Sarah Palin or any other politician but the incompetent asshole in the White House.

Sarah Palin doesn't get to VOTE on anything. We need to light a fire under the people who can actually VOTE on shit.

The talkers will talk and the campaigners will campaign, but my focus is on the shitbirds with the votes to change things right goddamn now. We can't wait for another campaign season dog and pony show.

72

But show her some fucking respect

Okay sure. I'll do that. At a half past never. Seriously, ya'll need a new hobby. Being up her ass 24/7 is as much as a mental disorders as the Palin Derangement Syndrome types.

 

73 You're fucking robots. The rest of us are sick of it. Posted by: ace at January 28, 2011 03:01 PM (nj1bB) ---- Give her credit where it counts then? Before you said she supported Paul Ryan's plan but in parenthesis you say (a bit). Just give her credit. You're just inflaming us "robots" more.

74 @69 Let's run Palin for Senate.

(runs away cackling manically)

75 >>>"Mentioning" her name is not the problem. Constant threadjacking is the problem. Don't be dense. Exactly. Some people want to talk about Palin 24/7. Most of us do not. There are enough actual Palin threads (I put them up almost under duress) for the Endless Palin Booster Brigade to get its licks in. Not every thread has to be turned into a Palin Is So Awesome thread.

76 Call me when the RINO pansies go on the attack.

77 And another passive aggressive cowardly policy was the gulf oil spill, instead of requiring new safety rules for rigs, he totally shuts it down.  Now where are we?  Lost jobs, oil rigs moved out of Gulf, potential Suez Canal problems, higher oil prices will lead to higher food prices, the poor and middle class get fucked again, because this coward can't fucking make a sound decision.

78 "I'm sorry are you suggesting Sarah Palin isn't receiving her due share of attention? " hahahahaha You think attention is the same as respect? The left shows her "attention". Apparently you do, too. Just like you showed Bachmann "attention" the other day.

79 Obama needs his vorpal rabbit moment.

80 A do-nothing two-termer, ...

I don't believe this. I think he would come out like gangbusters after winning re-election. I believe he intended to throttle back after the first two years anyway so as to allow the electorate to forget his radicalism before his next election. He pushed the country as far as he could as fast as he could figuring that it would only swing back part way while he cooled his jets.
And then the next big push comes.

81 I don't usually watch Fox (or anything else).  Is Shep Smith always such a stuttering prick?

82 Let me go find some non-news about Palin and put that up because for some people her fucking facebook page is the only story in America.

83 @83 Yes.

84 A few people mentioned Palin's name. Then the usual suspects got snarky over it and now the thread has become all about Palin. It's you people who should give it a rest. But you can't. You're obsessed over her like Chrissy Matthews is obsessed over her.

85 59: It was Bronson.

86 Obama has never been a leader and never will. He didn't lead on health care, the stimulus or anything else. He lets others do the work and then takes the credit if politically beneficial. I and others have been saying this for 3 fucking years. Remember when amnesty legislation was drafted? Who tried to horn in on the credit? Obama. Ted Kennedy had to basically tell him to piss off at the press conference. This country cannot endure 6 more years of this clown., he has to be stopped.

87

68 If he wants to get any meaningful entitlement reform done, the time to kick things off was at the SOTU, and we all know how that went.

Not true at all. He's got a whole year to do nothing except resist GOP ideas.

Remember, Clinton fought the GOP tooth and nail throughout 1995, leading to the gov't shutdown. He only signed the big reform packages in 1996, and it was his 1996 SOTU where he included the line, "The era of big government is over."

88 Actually yes, sort of, except I'm telling the GOP to get explicit.

In the original version of this, lost due to the browser crashing, I was referencing Sarah Palin's facebook entry on this and using that as one of the take-off points.

But after I lost that I didn't feel like relinking and requoting everything so I just wrote my conclusions.

I usually am against "message discipline" but I think it's time. This is a meme that has to be put out there.

By the way, I forgot to mention this (was in the first version), but the lefty blogosphere is always calling Obama a coward... for different reasons. But the point is, the meme is ready to be propagated. We can cite the left a lot for bandwagon effect.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2011 02:56 PM (nj1bB)

So you were mentioning Palin yourself in this contextuntil the crash.

Why is it suddenly a sign of insanity for someone else to?

89 I don't belong to facebook and rarely read Palin's facebook page.

90 @84  Rutroh.  It may be time to talk about Longbows.

91 My own frigging husband tells me this crap! You know, buying a Lamborghini would make me feel better about myself. But if I were to suggest we do that so that I could get a self-esteem boost I think his head would explode. But somehow that makes sense on the federal level? With 3 Trillion in annual deficits and 14 Trillion in debt. If the average Joe buys into this kind of thing, then we're seriously boned folks. Posted by: Mandy P. at January 28, 2011 03:03 PM (vGmv/) -------------------------------- Don't worry. If November 6th, 2012 occurs without Obama doing any of that, he will lose your husband's vote to Sarah Palin. I suspect Palin's number will improve after a campaign. She is very likable when you meet her.

92 He also apparently doesn't like Rand Paul for his $500billion in budget cuts. ----------------------------- Unfortunately for hubby, I think that's less than HALF of what needs to be cut.

93 No one ever criticizes Obama:

“Under President Obama's economic leadership, more Americans have lost their jobs than any time in modern history. The on-the-job economic education of the President has cost American families almost a trillion dollars in failed stimulus schemes and, unfortunately, he's still failing the course. Rhetoric, however soaring, does not put pay checks in pay envelopes at the end of the week. You can't build a high speed rail system fast enough to outrun the President's misguided regulations, higher taxes or lack of focus on jobs. Hopefully he is learning. American families are depending on him."

94 I don't believe this. I think he would come out like gangbusters after winning re-election. I believe he intended to throttle back after the first two years anyway so as to allow the electorate to forget his radicalism before his next election. He pushed the country as far as he could as fast as he could figuring that it would only swing back part way while he cooled his jets.
And then the next big push comes.

Posted by: kidney at January 28, 2011 03:08 PM (ENRGu)

This would only work if he had a Congress that would work with him. This seems unlikely, because the Republicans are pretty likely to hold both houses in this postulated second term.

95

I first read this as "Passive Aggressive Cloward." 

Stupid macular degeneration.  And Alzheimer's.  At least I don't have macular degeneration. 

96 Which candidate called the President "cavalier" when it comes to jobs and described the SOTU as "sad"? 

97 The potential numbers for budget cuts are now at $5 trillion over 10yrs, and the Chairman is toying with the idea of adding the fixed payment for Medicare.

98 Gibbs:  Protesters should refrain from violence.

Fucking brilliant analysis pal.

99 I am almost ready to fucking ban the endless palin promoters.

You're fucking robots. The rest of us are sick of it.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2011 03:01 PM (nj1bB)

I don't know ace.  For the first time in a while, the Palin people and you seem to be uniting in strategey.  I wish we could all come together and unite against the common foe.

Just like the elves, men and dwarves did against the Goblins in the Hobbit.  Seen here at about 7:30.

Yeah, I went there.  J.R.R. Tolkin.  I'm a nerd like that.

100 He'll do on this as he does on everything -- lead from behind.

Of course I will -- it's all spelled out right there in The Butt Pirates' Guide to Great Butt Sects (and Good Gubmint). 'Chelle and I act out the juicy sections of it every night.

101 @99 I know! I know! ***Raises hand****

102 I don't usually watch Fox (or anything else).  Is Shep Smith always such a stuttering prick?

Oh, hell yes.  He's a slightly less smug version of Anderson Cooper.

103 Which candidate called the President "cavalier" when it comes to jobs and described the SOTU as "sad"? Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2011 03:13 PM (pW2o -------- Mitch Daniels.

104

Oh my BIG apologies to S. Palin.  You I do respect. It's your nutjob-apparently-no-life-shit-for-brains trolls that are grating on my last everlovin' nerve have my disdain.

 

105 Gibbs:  Security forces should be restrained.

Yeah, I am sure they are listening while dodging rocks.

106 Yes, the campaign has begun: noted liberals make astounding discovery-the military!

http://tinyurl.com/4zgy4en

107 I can still stay after you can the Palin people.  Right?

108 Barry is the Hindmost.

109 This is not 1996

1860, maybe, but not 1996.  Obama ain't Clinton

110 Is it time to start the burning yet?

111 You people realize I have no idea what I am talking about here, right?

112 The Kenyan must have picked up this point from the movie "King Ralph": "It is easier to whisper advice from a point of cover than to risk its merit at the point of attack."

113 Obama you are a piece of shit failure! No violin for you Barry.

114 "Family Guy" Gibbs is making a complete ass out of himself in a presser where he's unwittingly exhibiting the cluelessness of the jugeared fuck.  Even some of the salad tossers are asking him semi-skeptical questions.

115 I'll be in my room, not mentioning Snow White, and waiting for one of the dwarves to step up and start fighting.  Laters.

116 I don't think I have said much about Palin. I don't follow her Facebook page and I am have serious doubts about a Palin candidacy but the visceral reactions to her name being mentioned make me want to defend her.

You Palin detractors sound just like the lefties when her name is mentioned. Ace hisses like Bela Lugosi on holy water.

117

I agree with Stuie at #13.

 

shame the prick

118 #5: WOOF!

119 Well, Ace, what the fuck did you expect? You write a call to arms for someone to step up to the plate and call Obama out for being a coward - as if no one is doing it - and then when someone brings up the very real fact that there is someone who kicks the living shit out of him on a regular basis you call them every name in the book while swinging your ban hammer? Sure, there are some that will hijack any subject and interject Palin into it, but if I didn't know better, I'd say you're baiting them.

120 "Robert, why do we support countries that do not support human rights?"

Because the alternative is worse, maybe?

121

114

 

He really is an embarrassment. No other spokesman would even bother saying such nothingness.

122 106 Which candidate called the President "cavalier" when it comes to jobs and described the SOTU as "sad"?
Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2011 03:13 PM (pW2o
--------
Mitch Daniels.

*******

Actually, Mitt did.  The quote I pasted above was his, too.

And, no, I'm not endorsing Mitt.  But it is dishonest for some to say that Palin is the only one who criticizes the President. 

And it's unrealistic to think that people who have to work with the President -- or at least get cooperation from the federal government in order to do their jobs (ie: govern) -- should criticize the President at every turn and in the harshest possible terms.  For example, ragging over Christie talking to the Feds last year about that tunnel (bridge?) project or for going to the state dinner is really not acknowledging that his role right now is very different than hers or any of the other pundits. 

123 >>>Before you said she supported Paul Ryan's plan but in parenthesis you say (a bit). Just give her credit. Um, I gave her credit for that in a big post which commented on her having balls. I have explained why I said "a bit" -- Paul Ryan and Jim Coburn (both elected and with something to lose) have EXPLICITLY called for reductions in entitlement spending. The Palin reference was to the Ryan Plan -- she supported it, which I credited her for, but she did not (AFAIK) make the case EXPLICITLY for reductions in entitlement spending. In other words, by only noting that by reference, a lot of her supporters don't know what's in the Ryan Plan and therefore she's not really advancing the ball much. I did give her credit. You want to give her credit she hasn't earned (no long piece in the WSJ, for example, explicitly supporting the most politically dangerous parts of the Ryan plan, medicare and SS reductions). Since she doesn't hold office she could be very bold indeed on pushing this. I credit her for supporting Ryan's plan (and indeed, again, I wrote a big post saying so) but I qualify it with "a bit" because she hasn't said the magic words. This is like the insistence that Sarah Palin "won" the ObamaCare debate because she used two words -- "Death Panels" -- and the insistence that those two words are the cause of us beating ObamaCare. Which, by the way, we didn't actually beat. The attempt to give Palin outsized credit to prove how invaluable she is is getting old. "Death Panels"? That's it? That's the big claim of success? Oh, and about 60% of her candidates won and 40% lost in a Republican year. Sounds sort of average. It is maddening to keep seeing this thick-headed insistence on reducing the huge, chaotic political scrum as all being manipulated and directed by Sarah Palin.

124

We knock the GOP all the time for making tiny, largely symbolic gestures at cutting the budget. These cuts, most people know, do not even begin to bring revenue and spending into line.

I disagree- I really don't believe that most people know this.  Even when presented evidence that it's the case, they don't want to believe it.

It's much easier to believe that if only we cut "waste", foreign aid, or "subsidies" to the Rich Robber Barrons, everything will be fine, facts and figures be damned.

125 Not only is Dear Leader a coward when it comes to our economy, but look around the world.  He's a fucking coward in foreign policy too.

126 Heard some clown on Hannity yesterday who was saying that Republicans were making a mistake going after Obama on policy because his supporters don't give a shit (I may be paraphrasing) about such trivial things as policy. I think - despite the guy being a clown - that's right. They don't love Obama because he's got the right position on gay marriage, for example (he's against it, nominally). The clown says what they love is the IDEA of Obama as the above it all guy, the past the politics of the past X years guy, the transparentcy guy. *We* know all that isn't true. But the true believers have a need to believe, because they invested so much of themselves. The man is thin skinned. Prick it a bit. Take him on about, oh, competence for example. Question, question, question it - if he's so smart, why this, and immediately put "Bush did it" out of bounds as an answer. Any college sophomore could blame the other guy, a real smart guy would have a real answer. Stick and move, stick and move. And then when he starts going on about his strawberries, everyone will see and they won't have "well at least he was for DADT" to fall back on.

127 Guys,

Any of you that really understands the ramifications of the chaos in Egypt, will you please go back to that thread (I don't want to thread jack this thread) and answer my questions at #725 PLEASE.

If I am frightened to my soul for no reason, I'd like to know.  I've had a headache all day, and just now pulled myself off the couch, so sorry for being so late to the party.

Thank you.

128 The economy was booming in 1996; Clinton took ( and was given ) the credit for that. 

Seen any boomin; goin' on around heah????

( and there was also Ross Perot Redux )

129 Sure, there are some that will hijack any subject and interject Palin into it, but if I didn't know better, I'd say you're baiting them.

Posted by: turfmann at January 28, 2011 03:20 PM (fJ7ZE)

Apparently, we misunderstood ace to be saying that being a passive-aggressive coward is a bad thing.

130 Well ace, these eyes see exactly one current (R) candidate that will call out Obama for what he is to the American people that otherwise don't really pay attention. One. One that won't be afraid of what will be said about her when she does. Who else is going to fight?

And she would have a huge movement behind her, one that will rival the crowds that Bambi will again be generating (read: busing in). Those "optics" are something that no one really talks about when discussing 2012...

131 >>>I don't know ace. For the first time in a while, the Palin people and you seem to be uniting in strategey. I wish we could all come together and unite against the common foe. I wish we could too, but as you see, even when I apparently "endorse" a Palin thing (though I don't know if she used the word "coward" or some people are just claiming credit on her behalf, yet again) it is yet another excuse to start screaming about how people aren't giving Sarah Palin enough respect.

132 Don't you people get it?  Its a damn fluid situation.  Fluid, I say.

All is well!  All is well!

133 the Meaning of Egypt is that you should go buy a lotta gasoline

like, right now...........

134 <i>Obama has put this nation on a trajectory in which the middle class will not only lose the Bush tax cut but will have to pay a greater share of money to the government than any time in history.</i>

Ayup. Aided and abetted by the 2 Senators from Maine and others who are known to us all. Ayup.

135 Mr. Gibbs, tweet this Ace O'Spades chap a stern rebuke!

136

Oh my BIG apologies to S. Palin.  You I do respect. It's your nutjob-apparently-no-life-shit-for-brains trolls that are grating on my last everlovin' nerve have my disdain.

 Posted by:laceyunderalls at January 28, 2011 03:16 PM (pLTLS)

That's cool.  I can live with that.  So...who is your candidate?  Tell you what...I don't know what it's going to take for us to "all get along."

But I sure hope we can.

I'll tell you what.  I'll admit it.  You were right about McCain.  I thought he could beat Obama.  You didn't.  Boy oh boy were you right and I was wrong.

Now...can we all just hug and make up?

137 To the people complaining about Palin in every presidential candidate thread:  STFU yourself.  Your incessant bitching is what's really getting tiresome.

138 Ace - you know, these things are easy to check. Sarah Palin has a page on Facebook and you don't have to be her friend to read it: On the crucial issue of entitlement reform, the President offered nothing. This is shocking, because as he himself explained back in April 2009, “if we want to get serious about fiscal discipline…we will have to get serious about entitlement reform.” Even though the Medicare Trust Fund will run out of funds a mere six years from now, and the Social Security Trust Fund is filled mainly with IOUs, the President opted to kick the can down the road yet again. And once again, he was disingenuous when he suggested that meaningful reform would automatically expose people’s Social Security savings to a possible stock market crash. As Rep. Paul Ryan showed in his proposed Roadmap, and others have explained, it’s possible to come up with meaningful reform proposals that tackle projected shortfalls and offer workers more options to invest our own savings while still guaranteeing invested funds so they won’t fall victim to sudden swings in the stock market.

139

Obama witnessed what happened to Bush when he tried to make bold policy--rightly or wrongly, Bush was a consequential President, unlike Clinton.  The wars eroded his popularity, but the pursuit of Social Security reform in 05 began the onslaught that continued until he left office.

Obama has made consequential policy, which his popularity has suffered for (the blips over the last few weeks are solely the Giffords effect).  He'll need time to build up his courage to venture out with something truly consequential.   

140 Ahoy!

141 It's much easier to believe that if only we cut "waste", foreign aid, or "subsidies" to the Rich Robber Barrons, everything will be fine, facts and figures be damned.

I think this derives in part from the fact that it's nearly impossible to visualize how huge the federal government is, let alone how big it'll be when ObamaCare kicks in.

142 Come on Egyptians, just give peace a chance.

143 "Is there some concern overseas that the President has not spoken to the camera about this?"

Yeah, that will help.

"Is there planning going on now for the possibility Mubarak might be overthrown?"

Dude, even these clowns are going to try to plan for the obvious possibility of a revolution.

(Robert Gibbs sez he delayed this press conference because he wanted to have the very best info available.  Why not delay until next week, Rob?)

144 To the Palin people that have a weird obsessive need to inject her into every.g'damn.thread >>>>>> STFU already. Jesus, you're tiresome.

Call them out by name. She's at least relevant to this thread. Ace is complaining that "we" need to start attacking Bambi and showing him for what he is. Who is going to do that?

145 Who do you want in 2012? Palin : 42.53% That's from your own site.

146 So...who is your candidate?

Someone that bowed out last night. So please excuse the outright crankiness.

 

147 In not surprising news Ace calls for a concerted attack of Obama for being a terrible President but then threatens to ban anyone mentioning that Sarah Palin has been there done that. In other news, crushed ants smell like bananas.

148

^{On the crucial issue of entitlement reform, the President offered nothing. This is shocking, because as he himself explained back in April 2009, “if we want to get serious about fiscal discipline…we will have to get serious about entitlement reform.” Even though the Medicare Trust Fund will run out of funds a mere six years from now, and the Social Security Trust Fund is filled mainly with IOUs, the President opted to kick the can down the road yet again. And once again, he was disingenuous when he suggested that meaningful reform would automatically expose people’s Social Security savings to a possible stock market crash. As Rep. Paul Ryan showed in his proposed Roadmap, and others have explained, it’s possible to come up with meaningful reform proposals that tackle projected shortfalls and offer workers more options to invest our own savings while still guaranteeing invested funds so they won’t fall victim to sudden swings in the stock market.}

She's got big hands for such a little lady.

149 So Obama hasn't spoken with Mubarak all day. Now Gibbs won't confirm if Obama talked to ANY world leader today. Is he out golfing or hiding in a closet crying? This is pathetic.

150 Don't take a vacation to Egypt just now.

151 Actually, Mitt did. The quote I pasted above was his, too. And, no, I'm not endorsing Mitt. But it is dishonest for some to say that Palin is the only one who criticizes the President. And it's unrealistic to think that people who have to work with the President -- or at least get cooperation from the federal government in order to do their jobs (ie: govern) -- should criticize the President at every turn and in the harshest possible terms. For example, ragging over Christie talking to the Feds last year about that tunnel (bridge?) project or for going to the state dinner is really not acknowledging that his role right now is very different than hers or any of the other pundits. Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2011 03:21 PM (pW2o --------------- I said Mitch not Mitt but I am not surprised. Mitt "tries" to attack his policy and that is good and all but we are talking on a personal level here. Like Wright, Ayers, His commie parents, Davis. Palin is the only one who spoke of those things despite what the media say. Mitt would back down after a big media outcry because they see Oboobles ratings go down.

152 Robert Gibbs sez he delayed this press conference because he wanted to have the very best info t-shirt slogans available.

153 In other news, crushed ants smell like bananas.

^{Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 28, 2011 03:27 PM (6ftzF)}

Ohs noes!  Quick, Open Fire!

154 Hey, Robert just gave us some sage advice: Delay any non-essential travel to Egypt.

Brilliant.

155 So, back to the topic.  Ace, have you gotten any back-channel info about whether or not Preibus and the RNC will be doing some of this concerted messaging?  All I've seen so far is that he's cut the staff by something like 1/3rd.

Who do you envision coordinating the message that Obama is a coward? 


I kind of like Romney's statement (above) because he basically calls Obama stupid, referring to his on-the-job "education" and not knowing what to do, etc. I think stupid will hit them harder than coward.

The response to "coward" is "Well, I'm POTUS and last year I tried to lead us to do X, Y, and Z, but the Republicans were too cowardly to follow my lead." 

There is no response I can think of to him being stupid. 

156

Call them out by name

It's  hard when they're not my blog friends. They're drive-by morons (and not the good kind) that only pop in to sing her praises.

And they're the same ones that repeatedly hit Sarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah PalinSarah Palin..... on Gabe's poll. Funny, that.

They're ruining an otherwise fantastic blog. Good jobs boys and girls - give yourselves a round of applause.

157 Obama is a Leftier, more arrogant and narcissistic Carter--not Clinton

Clinton was the fat kid in the band in high school who finally figured out a way to lose weight and Get Chicks in college--and wanted people to like him

He wanted power so he would be liked and approved of

Obama is.................different

158 Why haven't you used the word "outrage" Robert?

159 . I like her, but she's polarizing as hell. Whatever the reasons for that are, it's fact. Like Ace said, some Republican message discipline is what we need. Every R on the talk show circuit needs to be like, "The deficit is here. Everything Barry talked about gets us to HERE - 1%. So Mr President, what's next?" Posted by: Lemmenkainen from somewhere in dar al-Harb at January 28, 2011 03:29 PM (YnDAT) -------------- Polarizing? Most of America agrees with her message and they only see the media meme of her. She will need to break that in the campaign.

160 152 So Obama hasn't spoken with Mubarak all day. Now Gibbs won't confirm if Obama talked to ANY world leader today. Is he out golfing or hiding in a closet crying? This is pathetic. Posted by: Doc at January 28, 2011 03:28 PM (jGXQI) Obama won't even talk to his own cabinet. What makes you think his tiny balls can muster the courage to dial up world leaders. He bowed to the mayor of Miami or something a year ago. Dude is a wimp. He's probably afraid to call and order a pizza. Sarah Palin isn't afraid to order a pizza.

161

shame the prick

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at January 28, 2011 03:20 PM (08Pe8)

 

You should know by now that liberals/statists/socialists have absolutely no shame.  BUT....they hate being laughed at.  Rush has known this all along.  That's one of the reasons they hate him so.  They also don't like being exposed like Beck is doing.  They're cockdroaches.  They hate light.  That's why I'm praying mightily for Rep. Issa to follow through on his investigations.   

162 So, does this mean that you don't want high speed trains and free internet? That's fine, but you are a RAAAACIST, greedy scumbag for wanting to deprive everyone else of these goodies.

You're worse than those oil companies. Last time I checked, they're doing fine. They make 1% profits while solar shingle companies, AMTRAK, GM, Chrysler, and the Post Office are having to cut jobs.

As President, I deny your reality (that oil companies make money because they provide a necessary product at a reasonable cost) and substitute my own- I want green jobs. They are the future, dammit, because I said so. They are only losing money because people CHOSE to buy things that work instead of buying things that don't work.

See! The whole problem is CHOICE. But I will fix that. Soon, you will only be able to choose what I tell you to. I am doing everything in my power to  artificially make oil more expensive and use that money to make what I want you to buy artificially less expensive, but you people still cling to this idea of wanting something that works. Fine. I will outlaw everything that you want, that meets your needs, and works. Then you will have no choice but to buy my green stuff.

Oh, and all the borrowing to subsidize the cost? Yeah, that's your fault. You wouldn't buy it if it cost more, so I will take your Social Security money and other savings to pay for it. Money doesn't grow on trees, you know! I have to tell Timmy to print more.

163 Concrete Reforms are needed in Egypt.  They have a lot of sand to mix.

164 Barack Obama in ...  Dr. Donothing.

165 Remember, Clinton fought the GOP tooth and nail throughout 1995, leading to the gov't shutdown. He only signed the big reform packages in 1996, and it was his 1996 SOTU where he included the line, "The era of big government is over."

Is that so? I mean, you're obviously right about the 1996 SOTU, but government shutdown and Oklahoma City demagoguery notwithstanding, my memory is that Clinton was more conciliatory in 1995 than Obama has indicated he will be in 2011, but I could be remembering that wrong.

166 Palin is exactly the person we need to call the president a coward since it won't cost her politically. She doesn't hold office and she's unlikely to be nominated for president. To call it thread-jacking to point that put is fucking retarded.

167 I find the endless Palin promotion unserious, since apparently the top goal for such people is not saving the country but only saving the country IF Sarah Palin is at the top of the ticket.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2011

Really.  Mighty broad stroke your painting with there, brother.  Some of us just gravitate towards anyone who is willing to call Teleprompter Jesus out.  If Mitch Daniels starts doing that, I will happily help Jeff B. soap his back.  Dittos for anyone else's current favorite Republican/Conservative/Non-Progressive.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth

 

I second this.

168 Ace, I wish you would leave class considerations out of your tax rhetoric....(*cough*, flat tax, *cough*)

But other than that, your rant was great.

169 Did one of these brilliant news people ask about the embassy?

170 Michael Scott snuck into the briefing room again...

171 The Republicans have no message discipline because they haven't decided what they want yet. You watch any footage from the Sunday shows or other events and they all have different conclusions about what the government should and shouldn't do and just how bad Obama is.

172 I said Mitch not Mitt but I am not surprised. Mitt "tries" to attack his policy and that is good and all but we are talking on a personal level here. Like Wright, Ayers, His commie parents, Davis. Palin is the only one who spoke of those things despite what the media say.

Well, I see what you're saying, but the Wright, Ayers, etc stuff is not topical right now... so isn't really about using criticisms of what Obama has done for the past two years into things the public identifies as basic personality trait/flaws?   For instance, Obama has not addressed jobs.  Is it because he's uncaring, cowardly, or stupid?  I think stupid sells the best... and I think it will piss off Obama the most (which is a good thing). 

I think Mitt is calling Obama stupid in that paragraph I pasted.  So that's kind of personal.


I do not think a serious POTUS contender should call the POTUS a coward outright or stupid outright.  Perhaps I'm in the minority on that. 

I would be curious to know if Col. West, who's a damned ballsy guy, has done anything like that.  Somehow I doubt it.  And I think he wouldn't because these are perilous times and we don't call the CiC a coward. 

But that's just my speculation. 

173 Word to the wise: My taxidermist can stuff and mount Ewoks.

174 Obama won't even talk to his own cabinet. What makes you think his tiny balls can muster the courage to dial up world leaders. He bowed to the mayor of Miami or something a year ago. Dude is a wimp. He's probably afraid to call and order a pizza. -- Good point, but he should have an open line going with Netanyahu until this all dies down, let alone the other standard allies (Britain, etc). Letting Clinton et al phone it in for him is not enough.

175 Individual rights for egyptians?  Good Lord, this administration doesn't believe in individual rights for Americans.

176 The middle class is where the money is in America, because there's so damn many of them. They don't have more money than the rich individually, of course, but in aggregate, they have much more money

Not really.

The middle—the actual mathematical middle, not the political-mythological middle that goes up to $250k/year; I mean the ~$33k/year middle that's actually in the middle (if you exclude the ~30% who earn nothing at all)—get more of what's legally defined as taxable income, but they have nothing—and they don't get in much, even in aggregate, post-tax.

This is "counterintuitive," I guess, but, for example: Warren Buffet rakes in the equivalent of about half a million middle-class salaries every year. He pays income tax on about .00000000001% of it and keeps the rest shuffling. The few hundred thousand whose cash intakes sum up to his are federally taxed on about a third of that—then, maintaining their convolutedly self-subsidized housing and educational and transportation debt uses up about half of what's left after that, and local, state, sales, property, etc. taxes (and legally mandated purchases) take up about half of what's left of that, every year. Repeat for decades, and a Buffet's holdings become almost immeasurably large, while the average American's are almost immeasurably small.

Buffet's an extreme example, of course, but if you reduce his half-million to a handful for every $100+k/yr "upper middle class" top-1% earner who can afford to buy his way into greater non-taxability than any ~33k/yr guy can, and can afford, post-tax/mandate/etc., to buy net-worth-raising assets, and...

I've lost my point.

Middle-class America is broke. Busted. Has nothing left to steal—except via inflation, cap and trade, VAT, and other subtly lifestyle-degrading roundabout quasi-taxes. So that's what'll happen, with no negative political consequences to whoever does it to them, because no one's going to raise their taxes.

And that's really because there's no there there. Nothing times a hundred fifty million is nothing. It's not worth doing, for anybody.

However! Lefties are trying to goad the Republicans into doing it—into "getting serious" and being S-M-R-T by putting tax increases "on the table"—and I wouldn't be surprised if they do it, even though it will bring in zero revenue.

That permanent minority won't minoritize itself.

177 >>>Why is it suddenly a sign of insanity for someone else to? Dude, it's the tone and monotony. The first person asked "So you're aligning with Sarah Palin?" and I said "yeah, actually, her facebook page was in the first draft." Since that point I have seen like six people demanding to know WHY WON'T YOU CREDIT SARAH PALIN!?!?!! Here: Since I'm being asked "Why don't I endorse her," I'll say what I have been too polite to say, but if you're going to press the point, you've forced the issue: I do not think she is smart enough. Period. I will never, ever endorse her, except if she wins the nomination (as I did with McCain). Since people are going to force the issue at every single point, let's be frank and upfront: I do not just not support her because I don't think she can win. I know she can't win, but even if I thought she could win, she would not be my first pick, because I think she does not have the experience or intellectual heft for it or logical dispassion for it. That last one is big too: I think she is temperamentatlly unsuited for the job. Everything with her seems to be personalized drama and the president must be above that, not constantly getting into high school shit-fights. You say you love her because she's fighting the media and Obama. True, she's doing that. But I feel she is doing that too much, especially with the media, and when I say "too much," it's because I strongly believe this is mostly about personal vindication with her. That is, I think she attacks the media because they attack her. It is a personal spat. It is not a fight made chiefly to advance any particular cause except her wounded ego. I understand her ego being wounded -it's understandable. They are nasty. But she is all too willing to feed the drama. I want a president above drama, not a drama-magnet. (And no, I don't want OBAMA to win again, for god's sakes, but yes, I'd like a president less prone to drama.) I think she has failed politically at most of what she's tried to do since 2008, most important of all, rescuing her public image, which has continued to sink. So, there: Those are my real reasons for why I do not cover her much . I do not wish to give oxygen to a sure loser I don't even think would be a good president. I suspect those are most people's reasons. And I think I speak for most of the people who have those same reasons when I say it's not OUR fault we don't support Sarah Palin; it is a candidate's job to elicit/generate support, not a voter's duty to get behind her even if we doubt her. I have written over and over again about what Palin can do to earn my vote. She has not done it. Furthermore, 90% of her supporters claim that she doesn't NEED to do the stuff I've suggested, she's doing just great as it is. Well, I disagree. I said what I wanted and she didn't give it to me. And her supporters instructed me that that shouldn't matter. Well it did matter. While I am trying to suggest ways Palin could get some support from the 62% of the country that doesn't support her, her supporters keep telling me no, she doesn't have to change a thing, 38% is plenty high enough. Well 38% is not 50.1%, and further, I'm in the 62% that doesn't support her. I have made suggestions about what could get me to support her (her mention of hte Ryan Plan was a healthy start) but again, most of the time I am just told to shut the fuck up and get on the team. offer declined. I want what I want.

178 It's  hard when they're not my blog friends. They're drive-by morons (and not the good kind) that only pop in to sing her praises.

That's fair. I'm annoyed by many of the same. I despised the FredHeads, a number of whom got incredibly stupid. I'd just like to add that there are people that legitimately like her and aren't babies about it.

179

laceyunderalls at January 28, 2011 03:27 PM (pLTLS)

Damn, that sucks.  Well, this might make you feel better...When Palin gets the nomination, she can pick him as her VP candidate.

I keed! I keed!!! Forgive my insolence! *ow!!!*  I'm sorry! Jeeze...that hurt...

Anyway, all I really have to say, stupid but harmess snark aside, is that both these sides really need to get along.  Ain't that what politics is all about anyway?  Building coalitions?  Yeah, the relentless Palin pushing irritates you.  Yeah, the relentless Palin sneering irritates me.  We just gotta figure out a way for both of us to try to ignore the slings and arrows that irritate us and to simultaneously try to avoid giving offense through our own slings and arrows.

So yeah, I'd say Palinistas, Palin sceptics, and RonPaulians need to unite together to defeat the Obama Goblins.*

*Another pathetic Hobbit reference.  Jebus.  When I think I find something clever, I ride that thing into the frickin' ground.

180
 Is there any reason one should spend a half-hour watching this "press conference" when a few minutes with an internet connection will provide more info than can be easily assimilated?

181 Talk about a passive aggressive and cowardly.  this press conference is example number one.

182 I'll vote for Palin if she can bring her octave down a few levels and never do that high-warbling thing she does every other sentence.

Half the actors in Hollywood and Britain have learned a passable foreign accent; Palin needs to get the North Dakota out of hers

If she don' learn how to talk good, the MFM will continue crucifying her  ( of course, they'll do that anyway )

wait, what was the question????

183

Word to the wise: My taxidermist can stuff and mount Ewoks.

Good thing Sarah can't hit the side of a Barn with a Handful of Rice.

You should be safe until the first Magazine is replaced, Ace.

184 @184: I'm kind of enjoying the spectacle of al-Jazeera having more and better information than the White House.

185 "Most of the aid is military, right?"

186 I saw Obama's cowardice first when they showed clips of him playing basketball and bowling. I play both sports and I know cowardly play when I see it. In basketball, he grabs the ball, swoops it around, pulls it close to his chest, looks for someone to pass to ... basically all flourish with absolutely no result. He rebounds on the fringes of the group, never banging the boards. He shoots a lazy, non-jump shot but only when he's way out of anyone's pressuring hands. Has anyone ever seen the man take it to the hole? The answer is no, unless you've been in his bedroom at night ... but even then, one wonders. As for bowling, he walks slowly, cautiously to the lane, not sliding into a release but stopping, throwing the ball timidly down the lane. Even his reactions to the roll are timid. Obama tries to make up for his innate timidity by talking smack. He thinks he's good at this. People around him tolerate because, well, he is the president. And actually, he does talk smack fairly well. I've only seen the most limited of clips of him golfing, but even from them it's plain to see a coward at work. Of course, you see that in his body language in many other venues. When he went to the Gulf and bent over to pick up a tar ball that had probably been there since the Stone Age, he was the picture of timidity. When he was eating in the restaurant and said, "Lemme eat my damn waffle," it too had the fearful hunch of shoulders of a coward. When McCain suspended his campaign and the Obama "brilliantly" (Sir Charles Krauthammer) did nothing, it was cowardice, not genius that stirred him to action. I know cowardice, having experienced it many, many times in my own life. The One is a coward, for sure.

187 most of the time I am just told to shut the fuck up and get on the team.

offer declined. I want what I want.

I doubt she'll win the nomination anyway. It'll most likely be Huck. So it's all good. And also totally fucking miserable.

188

ace at January 28, 2011 03:36 PM (nj1bB)

OK, fair point.  You don't support her as a candidate.  I can respect that.  But we, all of us, need her supporters.  Assuming she doesn't get the nomination for President, we need her supporters onboard for whoever is does get the nomination. 

And if she does get the nomination, she will need you and your supporters too.

That's why I hate to see pissing matches between the different groups of supporters.

In the end, we have to come together behind whoever gets the nomination.

189 Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 28, 2011 03:33 PM (EwTi+)

Clinton did the same thing that Obama is trying to do now. He took credit for Republican actions, even after vetoing it twice (welfare reform). He talked endlessly about moving to the center and being willing to compromise while at the same time he actually did everything he could do to advance socialism.

The government shutdown was, in fact, orchestrated by him BEFORE the House even drew up the budget. It was a planned political event and with the help of the MFM who had no competition he fooled a lot of the public.

Obama will never be able to do that. (1) he is nowhere near as good a liar (2) The MFM has a lot of competition and the word will get out.

190 Good point, but he should have an open line going with Netanyahu until this all dies down, let alone the other standard allies (Britain, etc). Letting Clinton et al phone it in for him is not enough. Posted by: Doc at January 28, 2011 03:35 PM (jGXQI) You are right. Of course he should. But the list of things Obama should do is very long. I'm not even convinced he knows what the President is supposed to do. He's not a leader. He has no work experience let alone leadership skills. And at the age most of us were learning about a bill on capitol hill and other civics lessons Obama was off in some Indonesian madrassah learning that shariah was swell. Obama doesn't know shit about being President or an American. Like Schwarzennegar and English, Obama never bothered to learn.

191

offer declined. I want what I want.

I said the same thing to you when you invited me up for Pancakes.

192 yeah don't get me started on Huck, mega. In a way Palin is helping Huck by pulling a lot of flak. Huck would get flak (as he did in the primaries) but there's not much of it left because all we ever talk about is palin, palin, palin.

193

None of these address the central problem this nation faces, which is that we are going bankrupt and in fact stand on the edge of a financial precipice.

 Ace, dood, we are already bankrupt. The rest of the world just hasn't decided when to say so......but it's only a matter of time. We have already clutched hands and have driven off the cliff. The only thing keeping us airborne at this point is the circle jerk going on between the banksters and the Fed.

We will never, ever come close to paying off our debt so we either try to print it away and the eco-marxists won't let us cut down enough trees for that or we default. Either option is DOOM. I suppose there is always a third option which is what historically happens when someone gets left holding the short end of the stick and this option will really be teh suck.

Nobody within the Beltway is even close to being serious about dealing with this. So at some level they are all cowards with ObaMao being the worst of the bunch. 

194 I doubt she'll win the nomination anyway. It'll most likely be Huck.

Really? 

I think the default candidate(s) will be the safe administrator types: Daniels/Pawlenty/Romney*.  I think their supporters will coalesce behind one of them. 

I don't see where the Huck supporters are coming from.  Do you think Palin people will shift to Huck?  To me they're very different. I'd see some of them going Libertarian or Constitution party.  Or not voting, as some indicated to us on the other thread. 


_{*Assuming Romney makes a serious effort to convince us that he will repeal Obamacare.} 

195 I need to go buy a Koran.  Get a head start on my new overlords.

196 >>>That's why I hate to see pissing matches between the different groups of supporters. I don't like pissing matches either but many of Palin's supporters insist on bringing her up in so many threads. She is in the news enough that the actual Palin threads can and should suffice for discussion of Palin. But she's always on her supporters minds. It doesn't seem to occur to them that those who aren't strong supporters see her as a big problem and would sort of like a break from her.

197 Hey, everybody. Just got here and haven't had time to read the comments but ace's post got me thinking: You know who'd be perfect to lead the charge against Obama? Sarah. Fucking. Palin. Booyah! Am I right?

198

Really.  Mighty broad stroke your painting with there, brother.  Some of us just gravitate towards anyone who is willing to call Teleprompter Jesus out.  If Mitch Daniels starts doing that, I will happily help Jeff B. soap his back.  Dittos for anyone else's current favorite Republican/Conservative/Non-Progressive.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth

 

That goes for me too.  It's not the time to be squishy.  It's time to start calling a spade a bloody shovel.

199 Yeah! And, he's ugly, too.

200 Obama is turing this into a game of chicken, which he's destined to win, as he's the biggest chicken in government. He wants the GOP to take the lead only so he can demagogue them, win in 2012, and then do nothing. 31 flavors of awesome. If I say this post gave me a raging hard-on, does that mean I'm gay? Because if it does, I don't want to be straight. More of this. More. Call him out. Don't let him play "present." Are you listening, GOP?

201 "One thing I think would be useful is for the GOP to start bringing graphs on Sunday morning talk shows showing the deficit without, and with, Obama's plans for 'fixing' it, including the trivial millionaire's tax and cancelation of 'oil subsidies.'"

This.

People hate math. People love pictures. Give 'em pictures... with math.

Say what you want about Perot's first campaign, but when he explained the financial crisis and the debt on his own primetime dime with charts and graphs, the public listened. Conventional wisdom said, "Oh, who's going to pay attention to the goofy dude with data?" Perot made it the message of the campaign and forced the issue. Congress flipped.

Would you say our economic condition now is better or worse? Would you say the public is now more or less receptive to facts? Would you say the public would like to see a real plan, clearly presented now or just hope for the change of shingles, wind, and rail?

The GOP needs to play smart, even if the facts are ugly. If the nation rejects facts and votes for President Coward, then this nation as an economic power is lost. Start growing bananas.

202 No wonder Obama gets away with having a waterhead as his press secretary.  These reporters are so effing stupid.

"Duh, I can't google this.  Like, most of our aid to Egypt is like, totally military, right?"

203 Huck would get flak (as he did in the primaries) but there's not much of it left because all we ever talk about is palin, palin, palin. ----------------------- Huck gets plenty of flack here. He WON'T get it in the media, however, where it will effect the voting public at large, and that's because the media would LOVE to have that blubbery bolshie Bible-beater as the GOP front man.

204 >>>I think the default candidate(s) will be the safe administrator types: Daniels/Pawlenty/Romney*. I think their supporters will coalesce behind one of them. I think the nomination is Palin's for the taking. Her supporters are obviously intense, and while not a majority in the party, 35 or 40% wins primaries in a multiplayer field, easily. I just hope she doesn't seek it. I used to think she wouldn't, but people like Ziegler think she is now inclined to going for it.

205

Palin is exactly the person we need to call the president a coward since it won't cost her politically. She doesn't hold office and she's unlikely to be nominated for president. To call it thread-jacking to point that put is fucking retarded.

The people (independents) who need to be convinced don't give a flying fuck what St. Sarah (pbuh) says on O'Reilly or Hannity.  They don't watch many political shows, and particularly don't like Palin or have any desire to listen to her.

It's pretty tough for someone who lacks the guts to make her case in a neutral or non-friendly venue to call anyone a "coward".  She's great at rallying the base (and a little too good at building a personality cult), but not at all effective at convincing the masses.

 

206  Hey, everybody. Just got here and haven't had time to read the comments but ace's post got me thinking:

You know who'd be perfect to lead the charge against Obama?

Sarah. Fucking. Palin.

Booyah! Am I right?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 28, 2011 03:45 PM (MdmMg)

 

 

 

 

207 Search "Willie Sutton" on snopes and anywhere else and you will find that he didn't (i.e. did not) say, "IT'S WHERE THE FUCKING MONEY IS!"

208

What's sickening to me is that after a huge Republican wave our choices are most likely T-Paw, Mittens, and Huck and/or Palin  (minus a dark horse.)

We can't seriously be that bad off.

Oh but we are!

It's mindf*@%ingboggling.

209 In the end, we have to come together behind whoever gets the nomination.

Everybody here will. Not too worried about that.  I have a higher opinion of Palin than Ace does, but I agree she can't win.  And I too, want to protect her and defend her because of what the MFM did, but I can't support her unless it comes to the general.

Now back to the Barack Bashing.

By the way, I recently saw the movie, The Assassination of America by the Coward Barack Obama.

210 I need to go buy a Koran.  Get a head start on my new overlords.

It's not good for your blood pressure.  I got one last September and read every word, before I wrapped it in bacon and burned it.

211 People hate math. People love pictures. Give 'em pictures... with math.

Yes.  Perot--who was clearly Mentally Disturbed--got one out of five votes in 1992 by relying on his famous "debt chart"        in 1992 !!!!1111!!!!!

When people realize the Gigantic Hole we're in now, any candidate who can climb aboard that 'debt bandwagon' will win

212 Speaking of distractions (hat tip to a rather petulant ewok), am I the only one who has been voting my progressive acquaintances off the island?

After that cute little episode where they decided all conservatives were accessories to mass-murder, I don't even bother to remain civil with any progressive not a parent of one of my daughter's playmates-and even they are on thin ice.

All those fucking libtards from high school and people like that...gone.

213 That last one is big too: I think she is temperamentatlly unsuited for the job. Everything with her seems to be personalized drama and the president must be above that, not constantly getting into high school shit-fights.<<<Ace

For some reason this just put me in mind of the political cartoons of Teddy Roosevelt.  On the other hand, I agree with Ed:  the enemy is not on this side of the line.  We're all at least semi-conservatives.  We're going to have to figure out how to stop taking offense at every mention of Palin, pro and anti.

214 haha, 'Gibb'erish

215

 She's great at rallying the base (and a little too good at building a personality cult), but not at all effective at convincing the masses.

 

Pardon me, but has she announced and started a campaign yet?  No?  Then why don't we wait and see what happens before we make such sweeping statements.

216 Absolutely one of Ace's best posts in a long time. As classic as the post where he noted that Katrina was hung around Bush's neck, and that's the way it's played now... So the Deepwater Horizon spill needed to be hung around Barry's skinny political windpipe. Turnabout fair play, etc. Obama's passive-aggressive crap cannot go unanswered. Call him out. Make him get his hands dirty.

217 What's sickening to me is that after a huge Republican wave our choices are most likely T-Paw, Mittens, and Huck and/or Palin  (minus a dark horse.)

If any of those 4 are the nominee I'm going to be sorely tempted to write in Mark Steyn, eligibility be damned.

218 Huck will not get as much support as Ron Paul. Real conservatives can not stand his slimy ass. I can say that on this thread because it is not designed to advocate cleanly for your preferred candidate.

And this time in SC he will not be able to deliver all all of the delegates to a squish like McCain by siphoning off the stupids who vote based on religion.

SC is the last of the primaries that will be proportional delegates instead of winner take all.

219

The mere thought of listening to Sarah Palin debate Barck Obama is almost enough to give me a stroke.

The actuality of StammerFest 2012 will be the death of me.

220

That goes for me too.  It's not the time to be squishy.  It's time to start calling a spade a bloody shovel.

Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2011 03:45 PM (Oo2Ip)

Starting with that disgrace of a presser that Gibbs did to cover Preznit Smoove's bony ass from having done nothing proactive as things are reaching critical mass in the Middle East.  Who will do that?  Bring the heat, Meat.

221 We're looking for Reagan in a forest of Fords.

222 209 >>>I think the default candidate(s) will be the safe administrator types: Daniels/Pawlenty/Romney*. I think their supporters will coalesce behind one of them.

I think the nomination is Palin's for the taking.

I wasn't clear, but I was responding to the scenario (presented in that post) that if Palin doesn't get the nomination (for unspecified reasons) Huck would be the nominee. 

I don't think Huck has a chance.


I'm also not sure if you're right about Palin having a lock.  She has a vocal base, but there are a lot of us who want to get Obama out of the WH more than anything else.  We just need a viable/acceptable candidate to coalesce behind.  

223 If Huckabee, Gingrich, Giuliani, Christie, or any other RINO gets the nomination I won't bother to vote. McCain was the last "lesser of two evils" I ever vote for. Expect many conservatives and tea party independents to do the same.

224 Robert Gibbs just tossed ol Hosni under the bus.

225 I doubt she'll win the nomination anyway. It'll most likely be Huck.

Really? 

I think the default candidate(s) will be the safe administrator types: Daniels/Pawlenty/Romney*.

I can't believe how many people I talk to that "like" Huckabee. He's the media's darling, he has a show named after himself where he plays music (just like that charming scamp Clinton!), he has a way with words and humor and if you don't know - or sense - what a statist twat he is, he's pretty easy to fall for. He's sort of like Obama with a personality. It ain't gonna be Yawnplenty and there's a big anti-mormon thing going on against Romney.

226 Cliff Notes ?

227 201, what occurs to me is that the "serious" people we have in positions of power now have not and will never call Obama out on his constant lies and distortion as you so aptly explain in this post. Where are they? I see the current crop of GOP COWARDS as the big problem. Just my humble opinion. In terms of wanting a "break from her," well please talk to the news media because they attack her every single day and these attacks reach tens of millions of people. I support her and would love for her not to be discussed every single day especially when it is in such harsh terms, but I have no control over the LSM. None of us do. They want to hurt her, and will continue to do so. It's just life. God Bless You.

228

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 28, 2011 03:45 PM (MdmMg)

Dude.  Best comment of the entire thread.  Give this man posting priveledges.

 

229 I got one last September and read every word, before I wrapped it in bacon and burned it.

Dude, that's a waste of perfectly good bacon.

230 Robert Gibbs just tossed ol Hosni under the bus. Really? No big surprise, I guess. Leading from the rectum, again, as the White House always does. It looks like those Egyptian buses really hurt.

231 Pardon me, but has she announced and started a campaign yet?  No?  Then why don't we wait and see what happens before we make such sweeping statements

Great point.  I'd be happy to not discuss Palin until she either gets a job or announces her candidacy. 

232 Well 38% is not 50.1%, and further, I'm in the 62% that doesn't support her. I have made suggestions about what could get me to support her (her mention of hte Ryan Plan was a healthy start) but again, most of the time I am just told to shut the fuck up and get on the team. offer declined. I want what I want. Posted by: ace at January 28, 2011 03:36 PM (nj1bB) I'm not sayin 38% is enough! I just think her numbers will improve during a campaign that is simply it. Plus Huck does not seem like he is running.

233 What happens when this spreads to India?

234 Gibbs is doing nothing but reminding people that Obama is cowering in his office right now doing everything not to make a decision.

235 Right now I picture Barry gazing at himself in a mirror, wondering how long before he starts talking to the paintings, like Nixon.

236 Let me go find some non-news about Palin and put that up because for some people her fucking facebook page is the only story in America.

Ace, why don't you save that for the ONT?

237 "I am closely monitoring this fluid situation." Winning The Future does that even mean?

238 Anyway, this is a budget thread. The Gabe election poll flame-war is still going strong for those who want to argue candidates some more.

239

Ace, can we have a thread to bitch about the plan to "help military families".

Of the bullshit, it is full:

By making our court systems more responsive to the unique needs of Veterans and families.

By increasing opportunities for private-sector careers [for spouse]

etc.

Basically, let's create a bunch more jobs for gov't workers to "provide guidelines" "ensure access" etc. Enough buzzwords to give me a buzz.

BRB with the links.

240 What happens when this spreads to India?

Posted by: Cherry π at January 28, 2011 03:54 PM (+sBB4)

Why would that happen?  They've dealt with the rock worshipers for a long time.

241 Todays meme: fluid

242 The liberals have already determined that Palin and Bachmann will not be electable. I hear Bob Dole and John McCain are thinking about another run.

243 Oh she needs to break it before the campaign if she's going to do it. If she looks like a 40% popular vote getter going into the primaries she's done. Too many people just have a visceral dislike of her right now. It's like me with regard to the Yankees. ---------- No she does not. Primary season is long. It happened with Hillary

244 Iowahawk on Twitter: "With Egypt cut off from the internet, Obama should order US planes to drop massive supplies of cat pictures and porn."

245 Plus Huck does not seem like he is running.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 28, 2011 03:54 PM (c5RQr)

Oh he is running alright, he has already been here politicin'.

246

Pardon me, but has she announced and started a campaign yet?  No?  Then why don't we wait and see what happens before we make such sweeping statements

Trust me- I'd like nothing more than to see her being brought up in every fucking thread by her smitten personality cult.  In fact, I'm tired of hearing about her at all, and quite frankly wish that she'd take a one year vacation from the public eye so we could all stop talking about her.

I'd much rather discuss how we're going to beat Obama in 2012 (and it won't be easy, not by a longshot), not the Palin dramafest.

247 I am monitoring the fluid situation of my anal leakage.

248 The actuality of StammerFest 2012 will be the death of me. Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2011 03:52 PM (91TUg) ------ Oh dude, me too. Can't wait till she rubs Obama's face on the floor during the debates.

249 I've still got some      Jeb !! Bush         bumper stickers

 ( that don't say 'Florida' or "Governor' or any dates )

re-cycle, renew..........

250

That last one is big too: I think she is temperamentatlly unsuited for the job. Everything with her seems to be personalized drama and the president must be above that, not constantly getting into high school shit-fights.<<<Ace

 

I do believe that 99% of that drama and the juvenile shitfights are concocted and perpetuated by the MFM and her political foes.  She usually only replies to those when the honor of her family is dragged through shit.

251

Coward?

C'mon ace. He took a stand on leaving babies who survive abortions to die alone in hospital closets.

Shit, he was fearless in facing down potential repercussions from the powerful newborn infant lobby. What more do you want from the man?

252

We can bitch all we want. Until we get a real media. Obama gets away with it. The new media isn't enough yet. The media will pick the GOP candidate, the libs will run the primaries, and some bland fucking candidate will lose to Obama.

Tell me where I'm wrong, what I'm missing that's changed.

253 FTA:  He'll do on this as he does on everything -- lead from behind.

So, we call him The Hindmost^® = Won Who Leads From Behind.

254

Passive- Aggressive Coward : Portrait of the President as a Man-Child

255 State Dept Solution:  Turn the internet back on.

More brilliance.

256 Still doesn't seem like a majority of Republicans consider Obama to be a coward. A number of them act like this is a heated political debate among friends instead of a struggle for the country's survival.

257

Military family stuff:

pdf file of the actual report

DOD links

 

258 Oh he is running alright, he has already been here politicin'. Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2011 03:58 PM (M9Ie6) ------------------------ When? I just don't see him running. 1. He has 2 Willie Hortons 2. He hates Mittens but him fighting Palin will cause him to win. 3. He has a mortgage for a big house in Florida and needs to pay it off. 4. He likes his crappy show. 5. He is going on a cruise to Alaska in the summer. 6. He said he would come in in the summer but he would have to raise cash, however, he blows at fundraising.

259 Barack Obama IS Don Knotts in... The Incredible Mr. Limp Dick

260 Right now I picture Barry gazing at himself in a mirror

I would fuck me.

261 Oh dude, me too. Can't wait till she rubs Obama's face on the floor during the debates.

^{Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 28, 2011 03:59 PM (c5RQr)}

Jesus Christ. 

You aren't old enough to vote. 

 When Sarah Palin burst on the scene as a national political figure you were 15. 

262 Time to hold voters accountable. As in, when talk starts about cutting spending, confront people with the fact that entitlements, including social security, will have to be reformed. Politicians, like Obama, will pay lip service to cutting the deficit, cutting spending, but will be short on actual details, because it loses votes. Because voters are just as hypocritical as politicians. When I get into political discussions with friends and relatives I am laying it on the line. Sacrifice means all of us will give something up. That means I will have to wait a number of years more before social security, and won't get the raises people presently get. The days of taking pork projects as long as they go to my state rather than another state have to end. If a planetarium, museum, or bridge is so important to a state or municipality, then let the state or municipality find money to pay for it. People receiving handouts, such as food stamps and rent subsidies need to be told that they are TEMPORARY. We voters are as much of a problem as the politicians. If Obama gets reelected because he refuses to get specific, in order to avoid offending anyone, then our country deserves to go down the crapper.

263

I'm not sayin 38% is enough! I just think her numbers will improve during a campaign that is simply it.

Plus Huck does not seem like he is running.

Go back to the kiddie table, the adults are talking.

A high profile VP campaign, two books, constant Fox News appearences, a reality TV show, frequent (paid) speaking gigs, very high profile support in the midterms- and yet her approval rating has gone down, not up.

The more time she spends in the public eye, the less people like her.  A campaign full of more Hannity interviews and Tea Party rallies aren't going to dramatically turn things around.

264

If MubarakÂ’s retains power, heÂ’ll not be terribly enthralled with the unenthusiastic support from ObamaÂ’s Brane Trust—in his mind, heÂ’s the last bulwark between the Islamists seeking power and the annihilation of Israel.  If the Islamist mob seizes power, theyÂ’ll take note of the fact that the emeritus of the Brane Trust declared that “Mubarak isnÂ’t a dictator” (and would be hating on the US anyway).     

265 garrett,
Remind me -- do you have a front-runner candidate? 

266 The only way this deficit problem has any chance is for both sides to say we can't do it anymore and not use the cuts for political points.  The votes have to be 435 - 0 and 100 - 0. 

I have a better chance of becoming the new egyptian president.  so we are boned, and that boning will come in the form of high inflation.  no lube and with shards of glass.

267 Obama will never be able to do that. (1) he is nowhere near as good a liar (2) The MFM has a lot of competition and the word will get out.

Posted by: Vic

 

And currently there is no Perot peeling off votes from the Republican.

268 We can cite the left a lot for bandwagon effect.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2011 02:56 PM (nj1bB)

Except the left loves him, despite their grumbling, and they will explain away their calling him a coward as proof that he isn't a socialist, but a centrist!

269 We voters are as much of a problem as the politicians. If Obama gets reelected because he refuses to get specific, in order to avoid offending anyone, then our country deserves to go down the crapper.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 28, 2011 04:04 PM (LD6Wx)

Bingo; he might be re-elected because we've become a nation of lazy dumbfucks and, if so, that's just too goddamn bad.  I'd prefer to believe that's not the case but I'm not as optimistic as I used to be.

270 When? I just don't see him running.

OK, sorry, he hassn't been here, its just in the works.

I remembered seeing this and thought he had come and gone already.

271 The more time she spends in the public eye, the less people like her.

I thought her favorability (as in likable) went up after the Alaska show and immediately after the Arizona statement.

But... I don't think likable=votable.  I think people can learn that she is a nice person, but that's not the same as deciding she has the qualities and competencies to be president, especially when she has not been building on her record since stepping down.

So I see no evidence that she has broadened her appeal.  And, she has lost some people. 

272 Funny how she was extremely popular in AK until the media got ahold of her.

273 I will never vote for another RINO.  If the GOP nominate one, I stay home.

274 The scary part is Biden probably has more stones than Barry. After all, he withstood the pain of hair plugs. And while he's been called many things, Biden never had Evan Thomas call him a god. Barry is so self-involved and uptight you couldn't run dental floss through his sphincter.

275 215 I need to go buy a Koran. Get a head start on my new overlords. It's not good for your blood pressure. I got one last September and read every word, before I wrapped it in bacon and burned it. Posted by: Follower of Cthulhu at January 28, 2011 03:49 PM (F/4zf) A friend of mine says he read it while having a drink and rubbing his dog's belly. Same basic effect, i guess.

276 Yesterday, Ace was a douche. Today, I want to wrap him in a blanket and spoon feed him some of my Love Pudding.

277 I don't want Huckabee to run, but I did like his response on Redeye about that idiot Meg McCain's dis of Bachmann. And he managed to do it without being as bitchy as I would have been. He spoke very eloquently about Bachmann's accomplishments. The implication being, of course, that old Meg has NO accomplishments other than an accident of birth. I do wonder if Meg has a problem with hair dye chemicals or chemicals from all that make-up leaching into her brain. But Huck took the high road and didn't bring any of that up. He also was gentleman enough not to wonder aloud if Meg realizes that the only reason she got that book deal ( what did she sell, five copies?), was because of who her daddy is.

278 thought her favorability (as in likable) went up after the Alaska show and immediately after the Arizona statement. But... I don't think likable=votable. I think people can learn that she is a nice person, but that's not the same as deciding she has the qualities and competencies to be president, especially when she has not been building on her record since stepping down. So I see no evidence that she has broadened her appeal. And, she has lost some people. Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2011 04:09 PM (pW2o ------------- ehh, I don't respond to Hollowpoint, he is always a d-bag but polls right now are just meaningless. We are 2 years away from a presidential election. Not two weeks. Once she is able to steer her own campaign I expect better numbers.

279 Right now I picture Barry gazing at himself in a mirror

I would buttfuck me.

Posted by: barry ogump at January 28, 2011 04:03 PM (GTbGH)

 

FIFY 

280 A RINO would never write a post like this.  Ace, you magnificent bastard.

281

He's a goddamned coward and it's time we had the guts to say so.

Actually, a "godamned coward" is a much nicer label than many here (including me) have tagged Comrade Zero with, if you've been keeping up.

282 and spoon feed him some of my Love Pudding.

To the Urban Dictionary!

283

"...and it's time we had the guts to say so."

As almost every candidate on the list Gabe put out this morning immediately said when they did their afternoon scan of AoSHQ: "What you mean "we" Kemosabe?"

Didn't want to sock puppet this because this is a good post and makes for a timely follow up to the straw poll from this morning.

There was a long list of names, and other than the usual back and forth over Palin, there was a pretty tepid response to the other names. Palin took a lot of hits, and also got a lot of support. A very common denominator from her supporters (and I was one, for this straw poll) was that she was the only fighter on the list, or the only one on the list with any cojones.

Like her or not, I believe this belief has some validity. (This is not an invitation to debate again on Palin; I read almost every comment and found myself nodding my head to both positive ones and negative ones). I'm simply saying I have not seen much evidence that any of the candidates will be willing to go head to head with Obama, and gulp, actually criticize he and his policies directly, with no holds barred.

But here is a chance for any Republican who wants to stand out from the pack to make a pretty much free, no cost, gloves off, case against The Lightworker. Ace has pretty much written the outline of your remarks, which will get you through at least a month or two of rubber chicken dinners. All you have to do is personalize it to your style, stand up and be counted, and watch your favorable ratings go up. And you would have the added benefit of being right as a little bonus. Not too shabby.

And if you find this is too scary or edgy for you to say because you're afraid the MFM will call you a balloonhead? Well, for starters I hope Gabe leaves your name off the next poll he takes.

284 Yes, yes. This is a shrewd  bit of politics by the President. I approve completely with his strategy, especially while the Republicans soil themselves with the unwashed likes of the TEAparty and that Palin woman. Perhaps I shall treat the President to a sumptuous blow job from my wheelchair.  

285

FUCK OFF FACISTS!!!

I AM THE ONE CARRYING MY ALAN GRAYSON'S OFFSPRING - NOT YOU BROWNSHIRTS

286

I've always thought Toonces was a coward. I have this mental image of him in a gimp suit; Michelle and Valerie working different orifices, laughing while he screams the safety word, “bologna and cheese! Bologna and cheese! For Allah’s sake: bologna and chee ee ee sssssssse…”

287 But here is a chance for any Republican who wants to stand out from the pack to make a pretty much free, no cost, gloves off, case against The Lightworker.

People do want a fighter, which is why the "I'd vote for either Palin or Christie" remarks that pop up from time to time are so telling. 

The struggle within the party (rank and file) right now is do we give someone who is less than a perfect ideological stance on every issue a pass if that person has the other qualities we want in a POTUS and the balls for the fight? 

Some people will back someone who is less perfect on issues if that person has the competencies and fighting ability to prevail against Obama.  Some people will not.  (I am in the former category.) 

And, to be fair, some people really think Palin covers both bases: "qualifications" (competencies and fight) AND ideology.  So they don't look any further.  (I'd like to know their two back up candidates, though.) 

The challenge I'd put to them -- or to Palin's campaign, but since she isn't running yet it really falls on her supporters -- is to convince those of us who don't think she is "qualified" (based on experience and achievements) to be POTUS that she really is.  Otherwise, it's moot. 

And when I read Palin supporters say that they won't vote for a RINO against Obama, well, I want to hurl my laptop across the room.   I'm starting to think those folks are mobies, because all they are doing is damaging Palin's chances. 

288

My own frigging husband tells me this crap! You know, buying a Lamborghini would make me feel better about myself.

So go buy something that's both unnecessary and extravagent. Flip the script on him. Tell him your household needed to rally around a big purchase if you're ever going to get serious about saving more money for your household.

When his face turns red and he starts blustering about it, just smile and tell him what's good for the country surely must be good for your family.

289

169 Pete, I was out for a bit, so this is coming in late.

Yes, Clinton was still a dog in 1995. Twice in 1995, the GOP passed welfare reform, and twice, Clinton vetoed it. Only in 1996 did he sign the bill and take credit for it.

If Clinton appeared conciliatory, it was in comparison to his first two years, and the same can be said about Obama (throwing bones about tort reform and the deficit, signing the tax cut deal in December, etc.).

1996 was when he gave in on welfare, Telecom reform, and the like.

 

290

He's a goddamned coward and it's time we had the guts to say so.

OOOhhh, but isn't that divisive? Or are you now willing to risk being branded "divisive" by the press and your opponents in both parties because the stakes are too damn great to do less?  If so, I've got an extra Palin 2012 bumper sticker I'd like to mail you.

291

I am almost ready to fucking ban the endless palin promoters.

You're fucking robots. The rest of us are sick of it.

 

It's getting to the point where I can't even read the comments.

292 If you want Republicans to stop shying away from all personal attacks on Obama, you might call out GW Bush and Tom Coburn for their cringe-inducing reachy-outeyness.  They'd rather lose the policy debate any day of the week as long as they can still flatter Democrats.  One reason Obama's personal standing is so high is that Tom Coburn hearts Obama and doesn't care who know it.  Why don't you call him out on this?  What good are his policy ideas if he's constantly building Obama up so that the left will hand him their Strange New Respect Award?

293 " ... He's bloating the beast, counting on other people to raise taxes to the confiscatory levels he wants, but dares not call for himself. He is engineering a crisis with the hopes that the only solution will be huge tax increases... but he doesn't want his fingerprints on it ... "
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Or maybe the point doesn't have anything to do with raising taxes; maybe it's all about the Cloward-Piven thing:  hurry up and collapse the system -- after all he's only got two years left to get everybody desperate enough to cry out to Big Beneficent Government for help.  Don't you think that the whole POINT of this Administration  (the unvetted czars -- all Progressives, Marxists, or Communists, and all committed to bringing Socialism to the USA; the odd Executive Orders regarding emergency powers; the Prog-Dems' passage of huge unreadable bills creating dozens/ hundreds of new regulatory panels which "incidentally" have NO Congressional oversight); might just be creating an extra-governmental framework for the glorious day when the Evil American Empire finally implodes and Those-Who-Stand-Ready can call the shots as they see fit?

Or is that theory a little too Glenn-Beck-ian, still?

294 Obama isn't a coward; Obama is a left-wing radical extremist revolutionary who knows that he no longer has to take any more proactive steps to bring about his Marxist-Alinskyist endgame.  Leaving Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid unreformed will alone guarantee an inevitable debt apocalypse; ObamaCare will simply be additional gas poured on the flames.  And once America is destroyed as we know it, he can build his successor communist state on the ashes in his own image, including sandblasting his grinning rictus on Mt. Rushmore in place of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt.

It's for the latter that he wants a second term.  The former is already accomplished, absent drastic and determined counteraction right now, which his veto pen will prevent.  Since he doesn't have to agitate for what's already locked in place, what else does he have to do but vote "present"?

295

Great post ace. Between this post and the one about holding Obumbles to the Clinton comparison I just hope that our reps read AoS. They could learn a lot.

As for the back and forth on Sarah! As my once former governer at this point in the game I'm leaning towards hoping she doesn't run. I think she's more effective doing what she's doing now. If she does run it's too early to say whether I'd vote for her or not. For some reason I dig that Caine guy. Whoever wins will be a damn sight better than the dumbass running ( ruining?) the country now.

296

"He's a goddamned coward and it's time we had the guts to say so."

Not gonna happen.  Whenever someone on the Right tries to call The Messiah out, not only do they get savaged by the Left, but they get attacked from behind by a goodly percentage of the Right.  Tell him he's a liar? You get attacked.  Call out bad points in legislation? You get attacked.  Mock him? You get attacked and labeled racist.

 

297 You know who can respond even slower than Obama? MITT ROMNEY!

298

Boy do I feel bad about socking She Who Shall Not Be Named!

I don't expect the Pubs to savage BO; they appear congenitally incapable. Its up to you and me. In daily interactions with the "independents" we need to point out how BO always talks a big game but then does nothing. You got plenty of examples: smoking, eating fatty foods, the big trips, fiscal conservatism, etc. The Pubs will only do it when it has become conventional wisdom. That appears to be our job.

Obama's words never match his deeds. That is his vulnerability. Too many independents still want to believe that when BO says something he means it. They need to be disabused of that notion. When that occurs, his alleged asset [speechifying] becomes a liability,a Pavlovian response whenever he opens his yap that reminds people that yapping is all that will happen.

 

299 President Prissy

300 Bravo Ace! Bravo! Now your talking Pal.

301 On fire Man! That's The Good Stuff Writ Large. Yes Sir!

302 actually, ace just described the gop establishment to a tee.

303 If you hate her so much, then just add her name to the spam filter already.

If everybody could take a break from bashing supporters of any candidate, this blog would be a lot easier to read.  Instead, we've got RINO accusations, people being accused of worshiping various folks (which is deeply offensive to Christians, by the way) and assorted nastiness.  It's causing a lot of hurt feelings and isn't accomplishing anything constructive.

304 209 >>>I think the default candidate(s) will be the safe administrator types: Daniels/Pawlenty/Romney*. I think their supporters will coalesce behind one of them.

Call them the Trustees in Bankruptcy.

305 294--The challenge I'd put to them -- or to Palin's campaign, but since she isn't running yet it really falls on her supporters -- is to convince those of us who don't think she is "qualified" (based on experience and achievements) to be POTUS that she really is.  Otherwise, it's moot.

She wins the nom. whether she wins you over or not. The challenge I'd put to you is to find someone who can beat her for the nomination.  You're stinging from that beating she delivered on the blog today--which has happened on every other right of center blog. Ace is right, the nom. is hers if she wants it.  If you don't beat her for the nomination, you're going to have to rethink your Palin hate, or your Obama hate.  Sucks huh?

306

Either Ace got laid or somebody put Tabasco in his Corn Flakes. The fire, the passion! But wait I wanted to add some pearl of wisdom that nobody had thought of yet....nope got nothin.

Well I'll just say this. I'm not going to bash any of the potential Republican challengers to Obama in 2012. I think that would probably be the best approach for the future of the country. Some are more electable than others. Some would make better presidents than others. All of those details are currently working themselves out and will crystalize in the primaries. The point is that any one of them would be better than Obama and lead us in a better direction. So hold your fire when it comes to attacking Palin or Romney or Huckabee or whoever. Stop your ego and your feelings from driving you.

The focus now should be as Ace has suggested. To define Obama. To point out that fact that he was an empty suit when elected and he remains a cowardly empty suit now. That his proposals are meaningless against the serious problems we face. That he may mean well but that isn't nearly enough. To weaken him. To marginalize him.To get those indies on board and keep them on board.

As for reaching out I will say this. You don't improve your chances by defining all Democrats as Marxist radicals bent on destruction of the traditional American model. Some are. Some are racially devoted to Obama. Some can't imagine voting any other way because it would be a rejection of an outlook they have held forever. Others because their lives suck. But there remains that portion that actually has started to wonder and is afraid for the future. We need those people and the votes they bring or at least withold from Obama and the Democrat Party.

We are currently on path to reach a point where all this talk becomes meaningless. Decisions will have to be made because events outside our control will force it. The question is how will we prepare for that moment and who will be in a position to manage it.

307 Ace:
73% of her endorsements were elected. No business for you.

308 suppliers' (although we forget punctuation)

309 Just delurking here momentarily to say that this is a damn good essay, Ace. Very insightful, like the Jerrud Loftner psychological deconstruction of a couple weeks ago.

310 What do you mean "no one really paid a high political cost for Bush's attempt to do something with Social Security, because it didn't pass"?  We lost both houses of congress!

Other than that, Ace, you seem to be catching on.  BHO and the entire MFM lay in ambush for the Repubs to stumble obliviously into the trap.  "Tell us what you'll cut" is the liberal journo-list attack question.  "Come just a little bit closer and stand under this net."

The Republicans cannot lead this effort.  Only the president can lead.  He's supposed to be a leader.  That's why he holds the only nationally elected office in this once-great country.

311 Oh and no fanboy as you folks call them. Just being correct with Ace quoting numbers. This blog is officially off my lurking list and in the tepid think I'll comment column. Alan Mullaly for president. Boeing out of a nosedive and Ford out of the ditch. He is our only hope...sorry for the over used ditch metaphor

312 One more thing.  Barabbas Obadiah may be a coward, but he is taking one of the biggest risks any president has ever taken; he's betting that the dollar and the economy and the manipulated stock market can hold up for 21 more months with $1.5 trillion annual deficits.

What if it all comes crashing down?

313

For what it is worth here is my 2 cents worth.

Worked in politics in another country for many years. Saw someone (a head of state) very much like Obama. High sounding words but could not manage himself out of a paper bag. Also a law lecturer, very bright, narcissistic, incapable af seeing his faults. Arrogant but quick to call you arrogant.

The way he fell was that one person in the country attacked him on policy exposing the facade and showing he lied repeatedly , was incompetent and not to be trusted.

The point was that person (a woman) was not afraid to call a spade a spade and call this politician a liar to his face (in Parliament)  and effectively attack his policies AND HIS CHARACTER. Repeatedly and effectively.

Obama is a liar, narcissistic, incompetent  in other words a snakeoil salesman.

To defeat him you have to go for the jungular and expose him for what he is. The problem is he is hiding behind the whole race issue and all you white people are afrair to call him out. He knows that which is one of the reasons why he has succeeded to date. 

He must be attacked on his policies and his character and soon the people will realize he has been given a 6 for a nine.

The biggest problem you have is that the liberal press in protecting him.

The liberals are vicious while conservatives are so trying to be nice, couple that with the RINOs ( McCain) and you see why you conservatives are in the wrong battle.

 

314 You want to see laceyunderalls get skid marks? Just mention the name Palin!

315

Its doubtful Ace would be so upset about the comment threads if they so favored one of his pet dwarves.

So go ahead and start banning Ace, and watch your site become as rapidly irrelevant as Redstate or Powerline.

You three can be the Dixie Chicks of the (sorta) rightosphere.

Its pointless to address your Palin issues in a thread; we're going to have to call Dr. Freud for that.

The Palinistas hard core committment will translate into ground game and we'll need our best to turn out a sitting president.

Keep eyes on the prize.

316 "Story" today on Google News page one:  Obama to Visit Penn State on Wednesday."

Can I get in on the t-shirt sales?  'Cause he is going to do a college town a week for the next 90 weeks or so.

The Passive-Agressive Coward.  Yeah.  Best thing I've seen from you, Ace, evah!

317

John Hurt in the wand shop -- stop playing  with your wand and open your eyes!  All that you said below is just a Righty way of achieving objectives which you got all wrong.  Do you really think that "D special interests" are more powerful that oil companies and unfettered markets profiteers?  You say that stagnating the economy is POTUS objective.  Why?  If this were a murder case, you are missing a legitimate motive.  It's almost like you believe that some nefarious Liberal Aristocracy exists to wedge a divide between those who work for a living and those who want to keep the workers under control.  I don't get your whole conspiracy here.  Or most of you on this blog, for that matter.  I'm glad so many of you are able to exercise your 1st ammendment right to free speech and to free association.  If it goes beyond that, into actual action, I'm afraid you'll be labelled a terrorist organization.  Word to the wise, if there are many of you out there.  Peace be with you (truly)...

From John Hurt - - "I think you're completely off base with "do-nothing."

He cancelled the F-22 just in time for the Chinese to build one.  He passed health care which will, as he promised (when speaking to progs), force everyone to a single-payer system.  He passed thousands of pages of financial "reform" which should cause the economy to stagnate nicely.  He shut down offshore drilling, thus raising the price of everything.  He rededicated NASA to pushing the Islamic revision of history.  He circumvented Congress by using EPA to declare CO2 pollution and start heavy regulation which should cause some more wonderful stagnation.  And, oh yeah, sped up our impending national bankruptcy and collapse with trillions in useless (except for D special interests) federal spending.  "    

318 "Mentioning" her name is not the problem.  Constant threadjacking is the problem.  Don't be dense.

Whahhhh1!!  We want a football thread.

Pot, kettle, etc.

319

America Held Hostage...Day whatever...

Watch how his drive has improved! It's nearly always in the fairway and he almost always two putts for his finish. We've never had this level of excellence in the White House *wipes tear from eye*.

320 altın çilek - fx15 - leke kremi - yudali - zayıflama hapı - ozon yağı

321 I think this is a great post. One thing that I find the most helpful is number five. Sometimes when I write, I just let the flow of the words and information come out so much that I loose the purpose. ItÂ’s only after editing when I realize what IÂ’ve done. ThereÂ’s defiantly a lot of great tips here IÂ’m going to try to be more aware of.