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December 06, 2011

Obama's New Villain on Job Losses: The Internet
— Ace

It's not true. Sure, any successful new industry tends to destroy some jobs. But successful industries also create their own new jobs, and further, new efficiencies in the economy create completely unrelated jobs, products and services that can now be profitably offered because people have a bit more wealth, and hence can spend a bit on things they hadn't spent on before.

Obama only focuses on the first part: Internet sales has destroyed a good many brick-and-mortar sales positions. This is true (and I think something we need to look at as regards the disparate tax treatment of internet and local sales; either end the tax for both or impose it on both).

But in any growing economy, efficiencies would create wealth which would lead to other jobs.

His problem, then, is that he simply has a stagnant economy and diminishing wealth.

Not the internet.

But he needs a new villain because ATMs and robots were last season's villains.

Posted by: Ace at 11:14 AM | Comments (205)
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1 Well, if it's the fault of the "Internets" -- then the loss of all these jobs is Al Gore's doing?

Posted by: sydney jane at December 06, 2011 11:17 AM (zYWPO)

2 I'll be back.

Posted by: ATM at December 06, 2011 11:17 AM (/d7Qz)

3 I would not be in business for myself if we did not have the internet. Period.

Posted by: profligatewaste at December 06, 2011 11:17 AM (kUFvz)

I don't understand...aren't there lots of jobs in Intertube factories?

Posted by: Ted Stevens at December 06, 2011 11:18 AM (XdlcF)

1 sydney

yes....it's ALLLLLLLLLL AL GORE'S FAULT!!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at December 06, 2011 11:18 AM (s+J9D)

6 Obama only focuses on the first part: Internet sales has destroyed a good many brick-and-mortar sales positions.

I think it is BS. What has destroyed brick and mortar sales positions is a shitty economy combined with shitty local government.

And id localities want to compete on sales tax with the internet they need to quit raising damn sales tax through the roof. When I first moved here 38 years ago sales tax was 3% Statewide.

It is now 10.5% in the city and 8.5% outside in the county. Piss on them.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2011 11:18 AM (YdQQY)

7 Blame Al Gore then

Posted by: Dewey Cheatham & Howe at December 06, 2011 11:18 AM (e8kgV)

8 Oh and my property tax has gone from $200 to over a thousand.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2011 11:19 AM (YdQQY)

9 Hahahaha. That skinny little bitch is flailing even harder.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 06, 2011 11:19 AM (p7SSh)

10 Obama 2012, smaller teaspoons, bigger employment!

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 06, 2011 11:20 AM (QxSug)

11 The real enemy of job creation? Water.

Posted by: ROBOTS at December 06, 2011 11:20 AM (H/kgP)

12 Obama is not a failure. He's been wildly successful at destroying the infrastructure of America - material aspects yes, but especially the morale of those he hates so much. He's a hater par excellence. Resentment is what he lives on. He's taking it out on us.
Blaming the internet for pointing out the truth about him is his real agenda. So he has to build a strawman (the internet destroys jobs) to attack. As if he gives two shits about jobs.

Posted by: tubal at December 06, 2011 11:20 AM (BoE3Z)

13 Â“The new standard applied by Senate Republicans to nominations to the D.C. Circuit will make it nearly impossible for nominees of any president to be confirmed to this important court,Â” said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.). "And I don't want any crap about how Ted Kennedy and I filibustered Miguel Estrada. That was different. He was a Republican."

Posted by: Patrick Leahy at December 06, 2011 11:20 AM (e8kgV)

14 I would not be in business for myself if we did not have the internet. Period.

That's the problem. He'd prefer you work for the government (both literally as a civil "servant" leach, and figuratively as taxes increase).

Posted by: angler at December 06, 2011 11:20 AM (SwjAj)

15 The problems with "imposing the sales taxes on the internet" are twofold: 1) internet firms don't receive or use any of the state or local services like police, fire, roads and bridges, schools, etc. and 2) it is virtually impossible to collect them, and a federal attempt to do so will only drive more businesses offshore.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 06, 2011 11:20 AM (VfmLu)

16 No, the real enemy of job creation is Obama.

Posted by: Joffen at December 06, 2011 11:20 AM (zLeKL)

17 >>Oh and my property tax has gone from $200 to over a thousand.
Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2011 03:19 PM (YdQQY)

_{Double check the latest tax bill, and make sure it's not a sock.}

Posted by: ontherocks at December 06, 2011 11:21 AM (HBqDo)

18 So whenever I place in the top ten commenters list, I'm killing jobs?

Posted by: Y-not, job killer at December 06, 2011 11:22 AM (5H6zj)

19 What state was he in today?

Posted by: auscolpyr at December 06, 2011 11:22 AM (+KmL5)

20 1) internet firms don't receive or use any of the state or local services like police, fire, roads and bridges, schools, etc. and 2) it is virtually impossible to collect them, and a federal attempt to do so will only drive more businesses offshore.

Left out the most important one 3) SCOTUS has ruled it unconstitutional unless the merchant has a "presence" in the State.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2011 11:22 AM (YdQQY)

21 The internet is evil and must be destroyed immediately........And we need a new tax on taxes........

Posted by: Wall-E at December 06, 2011 11:23 AM (48wze)

22 Obama essentially has two constituencies: mainstream media and municipal governments. He's trying to please his "base."

Posted by: Burt TC at December 06, 2011 11:24 AM (TOk1P)

23 In case anyone didn't know Obama's a jackass marxist in addition to being a scoamf.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at December 06, 2011 11:24 AM (JKNDp)

24 I have crushed or destroyed 15 million jobs.

Posted by: Al Gore at December 06, 2011 11:24 AM (iGvQ1)

25 "Layoffs too often became permanent, not part of the business cycle. And these changes didn't just affect blue collar workers. If you were a bank teller or a phone operator or a travel agent, you saw many in your profession replaced by ATMs and the internet," President Obama said at a campaign event in Kansas.

Somebody really ought to tell him that this kind of stuff is called .. get this .. "Change"

Posted by: Patrick Leahy at December 06, 2011 11:24 AM (e8kgV)

26 Barry needs to stick to meeting old white guys in the Chicago gay bath houses on the lowdown.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 06, 2011 11:24 AM (51Nv7)

27 Obama can't handle "Change" ... who'd a thunk it ?

Posted by: Dewey Cheatham & Howe at December 06, 2011 11:25 AM (e8kgV)

Where are the Transcripts?

Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2011 11:25 AM (/d7Qz)

29
Search your feelings, Internet. I am your father!

Posted by: Darth ATM at December 06, 2011 11:26 AM (IADp6)

30 So by the Bamsters thinking Teamsters should be beating the hell out of horses to get beer to market because the efficiency and power of the internal combustion eliminated a lot of jobs.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at December 06, 2011 11:27 AM (JKNDp)

31 What about us?

Posted by: Brick and Mortar Record/Cassette/CD Store On Every Block at December 06, 2011 11:27 AM (JVEmw)

32 SCOAMF pretty much sums him up.

Posted by: torabora at December 06, 2011 11:27 AM (jyTQp)

33 Odumdum is just leading from behind again like any good community agitator.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 06, 2011 11:27 AM (HBqDo)

34 The Internet: Since January 20, 2009.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 06, 2011 11:27 AM (B+qrE)

35 Bank tellers and retail clerks aren't the only victims of The Rise of the Machines. Obama also included phone operators among the victims. Phone. Operators. Apparently, this slapdick's technical knowledge base consists entirely of Bugs Bunny cartoons where silhouettes of dames wearing pointy Maidenform bras under sweaters plugged and unplugged wires into switchboards.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 06, 2011 11:27 AM (vzFJV)

36 The Obama show uses a monster of the week format. Unfortunately for Obama all chosen monsters are more popular than him

Posted by: buzzion at December 06, 2011 11:27 AM (GULKT)

37 The internet freed Teamsters to beat the hell out of non union workers. Obama is so wrong.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at December 06, 2011 11:28 AM (JKNDp)

He definitely got a good grade in his Excuses 301 class at Hahvahd!

He be brilliant!

Posted by: boned to the bone at December 06, 2011 11:28 AM (BHM5V)

39 We need typewriter subsidies.

Posted by: JohnE. at December 06, 2011 11:28 AM (nRTou)

40 The Internet is too lazy and shiftless to care about stealing your jobs.

Posted by: Fritz in his underwear with a beer and a smoke at December 06, 2011 11:28 AM (FabC8)

41 We should get rid of all machine tools. It used to be great employing tens of thousands of people to maintain subsistence farming without equipment, and think of how many people once worked at factories before advances in operation did away with such necessities. It was a great environment for unions too! So what if the jobs were backbreaking and soul crushingly boring repeating the same mechanical task for 10-12 shifts? The lower life expediency from overexertion and the extra exercise at the prime of peoples' lives would dramatically cut the overall cost of Obamacare, lower the rate of obesity, and the number of people living to collect Social Security. So what if a few people get maimed? The big connected firms like GE & GM could get waivers to excuse themselves and taxpayers from paying disability claims to those foolish enough to hurt themselves on the job.....

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 06, 2011 11:28 AM (ijjAe)

42 Says the man who hustled his way into the White House by using the internet.

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 06, 2011 11:29 AM (zHl9z)

43 He's right! I haven't seen a single brick and mortar store for 8-track tapes since the internet was invented.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2011 11:30 AM (YdQQY)

44 The Internet? Bwah hah hah hah

Posted by: Airport Kiosks at December 06, 2011 11:30 AM (QKKT0)

45
Go for it, Prez McPenAndPaper. A good way to get that youth vote, tax the internet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 06, 2011 11:30 AM (JYheX)

46 You know, thinking about it, those OWS dipsters would be working at the record store, but now they aren't. They watch Empire Records and go how do I get that gig, Jack Black is so cool and who is this Cusack guy?

Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2011 11:30 AM (7vSU0)

47 43

Oh, North Korea, gotcha. (Page 47 - Dreams of My Father).

Posted by: tubal at December 06, 2011 11:30 AM (BoE3Z)

48 He's right! I haven't seen a single brick and mortar store for 8-track tapes since the internet was invented.

Yes. We know.

Posted by: Tower Records at December 06, 2011 11:31 AM (QKKT0)

49 silhouettes of dames wearing pointy Maidenform bras under sweaters plugged and unplugged wires into switchboards. Schwing! EOJ, thanks for that.

Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2011 11:31 AM (7vSU0)

SockPuppehts are the bane of our economy!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 06, 2011 11:31 AM (/d7Qz)

Posted by: tubal at December 06, 2011 11:31 AM (BoE3Z)

52 I have also been put out of a job due to technology.

Posted by: Cue Card Holder Guy at December 06, 2011 11:31 AM (GULKT)

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 06, 2011 03:27 PM (vzFJV)

Stop it, EOJ, the thought of Bugs in drag sends a tingle up my leg.

Posted by: Burt TC at December 06, 2011 11:31 AM (TOk1P)

54 Just wait until those job stealin ATM machines start using the Internet it will be charisma, it's pandemonium!
It's psychedelic pandemonium!
Ah ha ha ha ha ha! I, am "the Guiding Light," ha ha!

at least that's what Captain Lou says

Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at December 06, 2011 11:31 AM (DH7A2)

55 The internet has not created any jobs. Even the guy who runs the White House web site can tell you that.

Posted by: Michael at December 06, 2011 11:31 AM (eA6i/)

The SCOAMF knows absolutely nothing about economics.

Absolutely. Nothing.

Boy, we (as a nation) sure know how to pick 'em, don't we?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 06, 2011 11:31 AM (d0Tfm)

57 Man, how did Clinton ever get the economy going? Oh right, Newt! forced him to balance the budget and reform welfare. (trick question)

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 06, 2011 11:32 AM (QxSug)

58 They watch Empire Records and go how do I get that gig, Jack Black is so cool and who is this Cusack guy?

Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2011 03:30 PM (7vSU0)

you've got your movies mixed up

Posted by: The Dude at December 06, 2011 11:32 AM (M8yfa)

59 Oh! Oh! Oh! I got it! I know who to blame! ONLINE BANKS!

Posted by: Obama staffer with a raging boner at December 06, 2011 11:32 AM (BbX1b)

60 Aww shit not Empire Records, High Fidelity. Same damn movie.

Posted by: blaster at December 06, 2011 11:32 AM (7vSU0)

61 If we could just have another war with theaters in Europe and Asia.

Posted by: Rosie the Riveter at December 06, 2011 11:32 AM (QKKT0)

62
The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war Judgment Day. They lived only to face a new nightmare Â– the war against the ATMs.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at December 06, 2011 11:33 AM (1hM1d)

63 I'd vote for him if I was still around.

Posted by: Betamax at December 06, 2011 11:33 AM (BHM5V)

64 Bank tellers...

Except IIRC, this is a growth sector expecting 6% more jobs next year. Have you seen how many banks are opening mini-branches in grocery stores, etc. lately? Someone needs to fill those positions.

Posted by: CUS at December 06, 2011 11:33 AM (84pE9)

65 "The Internet" won't work as a villain for him, and besides, he has the bankers, the one percenters, Wall Street, all the fat cats as bad guys. He don't need no more villains. He's got plenty.

Posted by: Pissy Pessimist at December 06, 2011 11:33 AM (ndp2I)

66 The internets took our jobs!

Posted by: Flounder at December 06, 2011 11:33 AM (QKKT0)

67 The OWSers tried shutting down the internet by sticking a wooden shoe in their laptops but the shoes were just too big to go in the USB slot.

Posted by: pep at December 06, 2011 11:34 AM (YXmuI)

68 Fucking internet. Years ago you had to drive down to the newspaper office to dictate your classified ad to a sub-literate doofus that would misspell the product and post the wrong price and phone number in the printed ad. Now you can do all that yourself on Craigslist for free. Who stands up for the doofus?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 06, 2011 11:34 AM (+lsX1)

69
The internet has become self-aware.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 06, 2011 11:34 AM (QMtmy)

70 ** economist Milton FriedmanÂ’s tour of China in the 1960Â’s. Friedman was at a large construction project and noted that thousands of workers were using shovels, so he asked his Chinese hosts why there were no bulldozers or backhoes in use. The reply: Using shovels creates more jobs. FriedmanÂ’s classic response, Â“Why donÂ’t they use teaspoons?Â”** Obama, the teaspoon presidency

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 06, 2011 11:35 AM (QxSug)

71 Just think of all the jobs created in the pron industry since the advent of the internet.

The internet is indeed killing the pron industry. With all the free, amateur stuff available, who needs 'actors'?

Posted by: CUS at December 06, 2011 11:35 AM (84pE9)

72 Psst. Buy real estate. Even if you can't afford it.

Posted by: President Hot Tip at December 06, 2011 11:35 AM (FabC8)

73 The reason this little bitch knows jack shit about jobs is because he never worked a day in his entire waste of a life. Put arms, legs, and a big-eared bobblehead on a tapeworm, and Obama is what you get.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 06, 2011 11:35 AM (p7SSh)

74 Given Obozo's concept of economics, I'm truly surprised that he hasn't tried to increase employment a la Krugman by hiring federal workers to go out and break windows.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 06, 2011 11:35 AM (QKKT0)

75 maybe that's why solyndra went bankrupt, all those robots doing the work of like dozens of real employees.

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 06, 2011 11:36 AM (QxSug)

I, for one, welcome our new Skynet overlord.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 06, 2011 11:36 AM (VtjlW)

77 [Nodding head in agreement with nostalgic tear running down cheek]

Posted by: Buggy Whip Industry at December 06, 2011 11:36 AM (BHM5V)

78 Arkham City skin pack is out today. Awww yeah! Obama sucks.

Posted by: Joffen at December 06, 2011 11:36 AM (zLeKL)

79 **Given Obozo's concept of economics, I'm truly surprised that he hasn't tried to increase employment a la Krugman by hiring federal workers to go out and break windows.** jesus, STFU, don't give SCOAMF any more bright ideas.

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 06, 2011 11:36 AM (QxSug)

Actually, it would be remarkably easy for a government agency to track, charge, collect and monitor compliance of a tax on retail goods and services on the internet, regardless of where the seller or buyer are located. If the US Postal Service, UPS, FedEx and DHL were included in the mix with the payment of a Â“tax stampÂ” to verify that taxes were paid on the item being delivered, the systems would be fairly hard to circumvent.

Consumption taxes are a far better way to fund a government than income taxes. They allow for more privacy and restrict the governmentÂ’s tendency to try to manipulate behavior.

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2011 11:36 AM (qeYI9)

81 Stock up on ammo from the online shops. Great pricing, volume deals, no tax, free freight. What's not to like?

Posted by: Pissy Pessimist at December 06, 2011 11:37 AM (ndp2I)

82 Obama went on to lambast the Columbia House Record Club for undercutting hardworking local music store owners by offering 13 cassette tapes for a penny. "A penny!" Obama exclaimed. "How is the middle class supposed to live on a penny? Quit licking those album stamps to place on their order form, and let's lick unemployment and unfair practices!"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 06, 2011 11:37 AM (XE2Oo)

Given Obozo's concept of economics, I'm truly surprised that he hasn't tried to increase employment a la Krugman by hiring federal workers to go out and break windows.

Shhh. Don't give that idiot any more ideas.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 06, 2011 11:37 AM (d0Tfm)

84 I'm truly surprised that he hasn't tried to increase employment a la Krugman by hiring federal workers to go out and break windows.

You do know that that is a union job.

Posted by: SEIU goon squad at December 06, 2011 11:37 AM (84pE9)

85
Damn that Al Gore for inventing the internet.

Posted by: Prez Oluddite at December 06, 2011 11:37 AM (JYheX)

86 We need to start breaking some windows to get america back to work.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama with a brick at December 06, 2011 11:37 AM (/d7Qz)

87 44 Says the man who hustled his way into the White House by using the internet.

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 06, 2011 03:29 PM (zHl9z)

He put address verification workers out of a job.

Posted by: buzzion at December 06, 2011 11:37 AM (GULKT)

88 The villain is government. Pure and simple.

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 06, 2011 11:37 AM (ZtwUX)

89 On the other hand, those Bang Bus guys were barely scraping by before the internet came along.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 06, 2011 11:38 AM (+lsX1)

90 Does Obama really want to declare war on the internet?

Hackers, pirates, pron, blogs, online businesses, researchers, musicians & video producers won't be taking to kindly to that declaration.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 06, 2011 11:38 AM (ijjAe)

91 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 06, 2011 11:38 AM (8y9MW)

92 You have to admit that this site is hell on productivity.

Posted by: toby928© stickin' it to THE MAN at December 06, 2011 11:38 AM (IfkGz)

93 The internet is indeed killing the pron industry. With all the free, amateur stuff available, who needs 'actors'?

Relying on cheap, low-quality pr0n actresses may save you money in the short run, but in the long term it'll cost you more in unproductive additional time spent fapping.

Posted by: The American Association of Pr0n Professionals at December 06, 2011 11:38 AM (QKKT0)

94 I can't believe we're not paying this guy.

Posted by: Cyberdyne Industries at December 06, 2011 11:38 AM (yj3V2)

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 06, 2011 03:36 PM (QxSug)

I owe you a Coke, or a beer. Or a capfull of Valu-Rite, before it decomposes.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 06, 2011 11:39 AM (d0Tfm)

96 Now you can do all that yourself on Craigslist for free.

It's been a real boost to our careers, believe us!

Posted by: Hot Assassin/Bodyguard Twins at December 06, 2011 11:39 AM (GBXon)

97 I watched part of his stupid strawman campaign speech.

He directly blamed the Bush tax cuts for the current economic crisis. Also, ATMs. And the Internet. And the wealthy. And the lack of high speed train building. And... well, just about everything other than his own failed policies.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2011 11:40 AM (SY2Kh)

98 Whale oil is the future.

Posted by: toby928© stickin' it to THE MAN at December 06, 2011 11:40 AM (IfkGz)

99 I am forming the International Brotherhood of Phase Encoding Workers. After card check is passed I will force encourage all of the Intertubes workers to join and pay dues at a rate of $0.0001 per bit encoded.

the I B PEW headquarters will be located in McPherson SquareWashington DC

Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at December 06, 2011 11:40 AM (DH7A2)

100 Obama's bailouts of the auto industry aren't helping things either.

Posted by: Buggy Whips at December 06, 2011 11:40 AM (H/kgP)

101 This is very ungreen. Mother GAIA won't be satisfied with valurite tonight.

Posted by: Finely Creased Pants Inc. at December 06, 2011 11:41 AM (yj3V2)

102 Easiest way to collect sales taxes for online sales: collect based on where the seller is, rather than where the buyer is. By Â“easyÂ”, of course, I mean Â“easy for businesses to handleÂ”, since they already have the means in place to collect sales tax for where they are. It would be difficult, though, because it would mean a downward pressure on state and local sales taxes, and a boon on creating businesses in states with no sales tax. California would not like that solution, for example.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2011 11:41 AM (QF8uk)

103 He directly blamed the Bush tax cuts for the current economic crisis.

Sorry. Those tax cuts have his name on them, now.

Posted by: CUS at December 06, 2011 11:41 AM (84pE9)

104 95 Amen.

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at December 06, 2011 11:41 AM (bj+Nc)

105 Obama : That 'Flexseal' guy is putting Union Plumbers and Carpenters out of work. As such, I'm instructing Attorney General Eric Holder to ready charges and I'm having Robert Mueller move him to the top of the 'Most Wanted List'.

Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2011 11:41 AM (/d7Qz)

106
The more Obama speaks, the more I realize he fancies himself a Napolean Bonaparte.

Obama would love to rule a 19th century empire.

Think about it.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2011 11:41 AM (sqkOB)

107 Any time someone drags out this old canard, I always give this example. Here in our small town, a couple bought a small, neighborhood grocery store in the 1950s. They made a good living for a while until the chain grocery stores started to pop up. They couldn't compete on price, so their business started drying up. The owner decided that he could supplement his meager business by putting in a small lunch counter. Each day, he would have a special of something he cooked in his smoker out back. Slowly but surely, people learned how good his food was and they started coming there for lunch. They encouraged him to add catering to his repertoire, so he started doing that. The people who came in for lunch went ahead and bought that loaf of bread or gallon of milk they needed. His grocery business picked up and his lunch counter boomed.

Now, 50 years later, it's normally standing room only at lunchtime. He's since added a bunch of tables. Between lunch and his catering, he spends his time cooking and his wife runs the store. His reputation is far and wide. People who come to town always want to go to his store for lunch. He accomplished all this because he innovated instead of whining.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at December 06, 2011 11:41 AM (Gkhxf)

108 It's the tubes that take the jobs.

Posted by: robtr at December 06, 2011 11:42 AM (MtwBb)

109
No cars. No media.

Just one ruler. And lots of subjects.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2011 11:42 AM (sqkOB)

110 21 What state was he in today?
Posted by: auscolpyr at December 06, 2011 03:22 PM

One of those 57 states with the bitter clingers. Don't nitpick, I've got important work to focus on, like deciding which college basketball game to watch tonight

Obama to Kansas Supporters: Â“ItÂ’s Great to be Back in Texas!Â”

Posted by: King Barry the Geography Genius at December 06, 2011 11:42 AM (Y+DPZ)

111 I'm sorry for teaching those men how to fish. I wasn't aware that I was killing jobs in the fishing industry.

Posted by: Jesus at December 06, 2011 11:42 AM (yj3V2)

112 Aww shit not Empire Records, High Fidelity.

Same damn movie.

And Brian Dennehy was awesome in both.

Posted by: Hot Assassin/Bodyguard Twins at December 06, 2011 11:43 AM (GBXon)

113 We would be better of if the SCOAMF knew nothing about economics. He knows a great many things about economics, and it's all wrong.

Posted by: Bob Saget at December 06, 2011 11:43 AM (SDkq3)

114

The SCOAMF really is a one trick pony, isn't he? Everything is just not his fault! He did everything his Marxist professors told him would establish utopia.

We bitter, clingers just can't stand to see a [half] black succeed. I denounce myself.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at December 06, 2011 11:44 AM (M0NzJ)

115 Consumption taxes are a far better way to fund a government than income taxes. They allow for more privacy and restrict the governmentÂ’s tendency to try to manipulate behavior.

Wait. What?

A Consumption tax "restrict the government's tendency to try to manipulate behavior?" Well, I guess- except for the part where it's your behavior (buying stuff) that they're making more expensive. And they've shown no compunction against treating different industries and/or products differently as regards to "consumption taxes."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 06, 2011 11:44 AM (8y9MW)

116

It would be difficult, though, because it would mean a downward pressure on state and local sales taxes, and a boon on creating businesses in states with no sales tax. California would not like that solution, for example.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2011 03:41 PM (QF8uk)

I think California and Illinois have attempted to impose taxes on Amazon haven't they? And didn't Amazon say "fuck you" and took their business out of those states?

Posted by: buzzion at December 06, 2011 11:44 AM (GULKT)

117

This interweb thing is really tristing my nuts.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at December 06, 2011 11:44 AM (8ieXv)

118 We're sorry the boob apron is killing so many jobs in the unplanned children servicing industries.

Posted by: Telebrands at December 06, 2011 11:44 AM (yj3V2)

119
"Wolfie's fine, honey, Wolfie's just fine. Where are you"

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 06, 2011 11:45 AM (QMtmy)

120 The more Obama speaks, the more I realize he fancies himself a Napolean Bonaparte.

Obama would love to rule a 19th century empire.

Think about it.

You send him anywhere near here and I'm going to have a little chat with my BFF, the Yellowstone Caldera. So. Help. Me.

Posted by: St. Helena at December 06, 2011 11:45 AM (GBXon)

121 tristing my nuts.

and twisting them.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at December 06, 2011 11:45 AM (8ieXv)

122

The brick and mortar places do have a valid complaint about internet businesses not paying sales taxes. My simple solution is that it is a flat 3% internet sales tax. The Feds get .1% for managing it and the states get a proportional amount based the percentage of sales for that state. This eliminates the chaos of businesses trying to figure out what the sales tax is for Backwoods, AL and levels the playing field.

Posted by: Chris at December 06, 2011 11:46 AM (lS0gj)

123 I don't know what you sorry-ass complainers are selling, but our business is great.

Posted by: Dept. of Agriculture Food Stamp Program at December 06, 2011 11:47 AM (QKKT0)

124 Big Email is killing me!

Posted by: USPS at December 06, 2011 11:47 AM (/d7Qz)

125 What's going to be magic is the economic boom that President Bachmann will usher in, approximately 6 months after she gets sworn in, repeals Obamacare and signs "the mother of all repeal bills," and marching many of obama's corrupt officials to jail. The economy needs low taxes and low regulations and high confidence in the business friendliness of the government.

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 06, 2011 11:47 AM (QxSug)

126 113 21 What state was he in today?
Posted by: auscolpyr at December 06, 2011 03:22 PM

One of those 57 states with the bitter clingers. Don't nitpick, I've got important work to focus on, like deciding which college basketball game to watch tonight

Obama to Kansas Supporters: Â“ItÂ’s Great to be Back in Texas!Â”

Posted by: King Barry the Geography Genius at December 06, 2011 03:42 PM (Y+DPZ

Apparently he's trying to channel Roosevelt today according to the short blurb I saw. No not that one, the one that could walk.

Posted by: buzzion at December 06, 2011 11:47 AM (GULKT)

127 Obama told an audience in Kansas today-
Â“ItÂ’s great to be back in Texas.Â”

Posted by: Dewey Cheatham & Howe at December 06, 2011 11:47 AM (e8kgV)

128
The Tubes

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 06, 2011 11:48 AM (JYheX)

129

Â“Â…they've shown no compunction against treating different industries and/or products differently as regards to "consumption taxes."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 06, 2011 03:44 PM (8y9MW)

True enough. I was speaking in terms of the Fair Tax, but I didnÂ’t spell that out in my comment.

Tax all retail goods and services, no exceptions.

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2011 11:48 AM (qeYI9)

130 "The SCOAMF really is a one trick pony, isn't he? Everything is just not his fault! He did everything his Marxist professors told him would establish utopia." Ironically, he hasn't blamed us for anything, yet.

Posted by: Canada at December 06, 2011 11:48 AM (yj3V2)

131 I think California and Illinois have attempted to impose taxes on Amazon haven't they? And didn't Amazon say "fuck you" and took their business out of those states? DonÂ’t know about Illinois, but yes, in California the legislature ruled that associate programs count as a presence in the state. Forgetting that associate programs cost businesses like Amazon money, and that theyÂ’d probably love to get rid of them, as long as they can do so on an equal basis (i.e., their competitors have to get rid of them, too, or have their cost of doing business raised). So, Amazon cancelled the associates program for California. California tried to argue that this didnÂ’t somehow cancel their presence, but eventually gave in and repealed that part of the law; the semi-fig-leaf is that Amazon has said they would like a national solution. IÂ’m sure theyÂ’d love a national solution: something that makes it very complicated for competitors to start up.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2011 11:48 AM (QF8uk)

132
The Internet hasn't "destroyed" one single fucking job. The simple fact is that some jobs have become irrelevant, less important or obsolete, which is a natural progression of economies. SCOAMF makes it sound like The Internet (cue ominous music) is Shiva, Destroyer Of Worlds.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 06, 2011 11:48 AM (G+B5p)

133 They'll never be a machine to remove a kid's tonsils.

Posted by: A Rich, Tonsil-Grabbing Doctor at December 06, 2011 11:49 AM (QKKT0)

134 #123, if this were the 19th Century a political opponent, or revolutionary cabal, would have neutralized him in a spectacular fashion and seized power for themselves by now. The guy is too much of a pretender to the throne to have survived the hardball played in 19th Century politics.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 06, 2011 11:49 AM (ijjAe)

135 This idiotic speech also sounds like it's perfectly poised to let Newt! respond with his, if democrats were in charge when the car was invented, they would have banned the car to save the horseshoe union, rejoinder.

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 06, 2011 11:50 AM (QxSug)

136 and I think something we need to look at as regards the disparate tax treatment of internet and local sales; either end the tax for both or impose it on both Sales tax does apply to both (in those states that impose a sales tax). It's just that there is no mechanism for a state to make an out of state company collect taxes for it. Technically, the purchaser is supposed to remit taxes for items bought online (or through a catalog/phone sale).

Posted by: kbiel at December 06, 2011 11:50 AM (T5155)

137 oh right, don't forget the over-amputating medical class is also screwing everything up!

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 06, 2011 11:50 AM (QxSug)

138 I couldn't listen long enough to hear the 'internet' gag.. This guy is impossible to listen to.. Its worse than torture. BTW, when he says 'they want us to go back to doing things the way we used too..'.. what the fuck is he talking about?

Like actually having a job? Maybe he hasn't noticed, but the last 3 years have been a catastrophe for many people. Myself included. He's been insulated from it all, and has no right to comment on it.

Does he think the current way things are, are better now? I've never been so destitute in my life. Things were great right until he was elected... Then, everyone stopped buying. Incredible. 100 yr old business gone in 3 months of Obama. This motherfucker has a lot of nerve even hinting that things are 'better' than before. FUCK HIM

Posted by: What a Jerk at December 06, 2011 11:51 AM (bcmD0)

139 This eliminates the chaos of businesses trying to figure out what the sales tax is for Backwoods, AL and levels the playing field. Chris, a flat national Internet-only sales tax also eliminates the benefits of starting an Internet business in a state with no sales tax, and so eliminates the draw that such states have on new business. (And also adds costs to Internet businesses that already exist in such states.)

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2011 11:51 AM (QF8uk)

140 First they came for the buggy whip makers, but I didn't speak up because I was not a buggy whip maker...

Posted by: Bank Teller at December 06, 2011 11:52 AM (2jQGY)

141

One of the few things that is currently slowing my transition into Full Curmudgeonhood is the fact that, regardless of how many obstacles the idiots we've somehow mangaged to stupidly elect put in the way of the economy, we free people can find a way through them, as Zombie John Gotti points out above.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 06, 2011 11:53 AM (d0Tfm)

142 Before the internet came along we all had to build our own Fleshlights. You might have bought the wood from a lumberyard, the hand grip from a bicycle shop, a goat vagina from a butcher, etc. Now people get pre-assembled knockoffs made in China. Not only are we losing jobs, but we're losing our craftsmanship.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 06, 2011 11:53 AM (+lsX1)

143 108 - dude, that FlexSeal stuff really does work. I had a part of my roof that always leaked and no roofer could seem to fix (flat roof). FLEXSEAL! BY THE WAY in a former life I worked in Corporate Travel. I remember when our company was nearly destroyed. Singlehandedly by a Dem President - Clinton - who I had voted for. Many of my friends lost their jobs and that industry never really came back. So please don't EVEN mention travel agents. It sure as hell wasn't the Internet that ruined that field.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 06, 2011 11:53 AM (SB0V2)

144 Most states have a "use tax". They can go try to collect sales taxes that were not rendered on the sale of the product or service. They just choose not to enforce it. They like the other way where retailers bear the cost of collecting the tax.

Posted by: wtfci at December 06, 2011 11:53 AM (yj3V2)

145 #140, we need universal legal representation to go along with universal healthcare, oh and throw in all skilled labor or trades with that too and watch how quickly that political shakedown goes away. Arguing that people's expertise should have price controls and be compelled to offer said expertise and services for a fixed or non-existent fee by government fiat, always ensures that there is no supply of expertise or services to be had within a very short period of time.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 06, 2011 11:54 AM (ijjAe)

146 The i-Pod ruined our lucrative business of selling off surplus inventory of albums by one hit wonders and has beens!

Posted by: K-Tel Records at December 06, 2011 11:55 AM (Y+DPZ)

147 "dude, that FlexSeal stuff really does work. I had a part of my roof that always leaked and no roofer could seem to fix (flat roof). FLEXSEAL!" You punk. You're free shipping and handling is killing the USPS. You fixed your roof over the phone putting a roofer and a mailman out of work.

Posted by: President Super Genius Mensa Member with no paper trail at December 06, 2011 11:55 AM (yj3V2)

148 Yea, its the ATMs and Robots that are connected to the internet. That's the ticket!

Posted by: That annoying liar guy on SNL at December 06, 2011 11:56 AM (71LDo)

149

Consumption taxes are a far better way to fund a government than income taxes.

Indeed. And the constituency for raising them is not like it is with income taxes. If you consume, you don't want higher taxes.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 06, 2011 11:56 AM (puy4B)

150 BYOB is killing our jobs.

Posted by: Liquor Distributor at December 06, 2011 11:56 AM (yj3V2)

151 Internet Killed the Video Star

Posted by: The Buggles at December 06, 2011 11:57 AM (Y+DPZ)

152 …and be compelled to offer said expertise and services for a fixed or non-existent fee by government fiat… EMTALA, anyone? Law of the land since 1986!

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 06, 2011 11:57 AM (p7SSh)

153

Obama told an audience in Kansas today-
Â“ItÂ’s great to be back in Texas.Â”

Yeah. One of our 57 states.

Posted by: Lanny Davis at December 06, 2011 11:57 AM (e8kgV)

154 I can't believe all the Morons on here calling for new taxes. If you are a real conservative in order to make it so-called "fair" eliminate all sales tax.

That is the true conservative way.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2011 11:57 AM (YdQQY)

155 Every time this fucker gives a speech he's killing four caddie jobs.

Posted by: Caddie Manager at Andrews Air Force Base at December 06, 2011 11:58 AM (yj3V2)

156

I think California and Illinois have attempted to impose taxes on Amazon haven't they? And didn't Amazon say "fuck you" and took their business out of those states?

Posted by: buzzion at December 06, 2011 03:44 PM

They killed my calendar sales! Those bastards !!!

Posted by: Cahrsel Jhonsno at December 06, 2011 11:59 AM (Y+DPZ)

157 Steve Jobs killed our jobs too. Where does this Internet live?

Posted by: Plastic Security Devices that Wrapped your CDs in the store at December 06, 2011 11:59 AM (yj3V2)

158 And just who do I bite when there are no more mailmen? I will be out of a job too.

Posted by: Killerdog at December 06, 2011 12:01 PM (CZrbJ)

159 I am investing Betamax. It is the future along with 8-Tracks. Presadent Obama has told me this....so I must buy them and vote for him !!!!!!!!

Posted by: Wall-E at December 06, 2011 12:02 PM (48wze)

160 Well he's got an ironclad case there; the internet and computers and ATMs' just got created in 2008; no other president had to see them in the economy.

Oh, that's not factually true?

Well the internet and computers are always a drag on the economy; which is why Clinton had that "dot com recession" and the economy got worse from the mid-90's to now.

Oh, it was a "dot com boom" and the economy really didn't have issues until the 2008 crash?

Well that was FAKE FINANCIALS for over a decade PUSHED by both Clinton and Bush pretending computers weren't causing problems ALL TO MAKE THE BLACK MAN LOOK BAD! The ECONOMY was an INSIDE JOB!

What? I'm still trying to avoid calling Obama an idiot; that would be racist. Apparently the only way to get there is to use bugnut crazy conspiracy theories.

Let me guess; realizing that Obama can't be defended by a rational logical argument is also racist?

Yeah, I figured as much.

Posted by: gekkobear at December 06, 2011 12:03 PM (gZhya)

161 If Putin could run for POTUS, would he beat Obama?

Posted by: wtfci at December 06, 2011 12:04 PM (yj3V2)

162

Consumption taxes are a far better way to fund a government than income taxes.

*ahem*

Rule Number One of Conservatism (since you don't appear to know what that is): If you want less of anything, tax it.

How about we, oh, I don't know, start electing real, live, people who believe that government should be as small and unobtrusive as possible, and will start acting towards that goal by eliminating as much of it as possible? That way, taxes will automatically be down where they belong and won't be such a burden.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 06, 2011 12:05 PM (d0Tfm)

163 What does Obama want us to do with the girls in the Girls Gone Wild videos, huh? Let them starve?

There's just no compassion with that guy!

Posted by: Phinn at December 06, 2011 12:07 PM (KNtHw)

164 I can't believe all the Morons on here calling for new taxes. I do. It's what made Tom Clancy's books so popular back in the day. He would describe 99% of a system and let the reader figure out the rest. Wrapping their heads around that last 1% is so flattering to some people that they kept buying his books for the self-congratulatory rush. It reminds me of the joke about the engineer who opts to go face-up without a blindfold into a guillotine that failed on the two guys before him (who were then set free as it was a sign of divine intervention). Before they can release the cord, he says, "Hey! I think I see what the problem is."

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 06, 2011 12:08 PM (p7SSh)

165 He's every single villain in Atlas Shrugged, rolled into one person. Fucking luddite.

Posted by: blue star at December 06, 2011 12:08 PM (wMV/W)

166 The internet?

WHEW!

What a relief!

Posted by: Walmart's Evil $4 Teaser Drugs at December 06, 2011 12:11 PM (piMMO)

167 @168, well, I imagine Trumka represents the union thug aspect, the guy that at least knows he's in it cause he's on the take, not cause he's an idiot.

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 06, 2011 12:12 PM (QxSug)

168 I want my buggy whip!!!!

Posted by: Todd 3465 at December 06, 2011 12:12 PM (cVV5N)

169 What does Obama want us to do with the girls in the Girls Gone Wild videos, huh? Let them starve?

Speaking of GGW, the sidebar article about the bassist who owns an old Greyhound bus also links his clothing company.

You boys will be pleased.

Posted by: Walmart's Evil $4 Teaser Drugs at December 06, 2011 12:13 PM (piMMO)

170

Rule Number One of Conservatism (since you don't appear to know what that is): If you want less of anything, tax it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 06, 2011 04:05 PM (d0Tfm)

So, as a good conservative, you would like to see less income? Also, as an all-seeing conservative thinker, can you explain how it is conservative to believe the government should know what we do for a living or how much money we make?

A consumption tax is far more conservative in principle than any income tax.

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2011 12:14 PM (qeYI9)

171 I go to order a delivery from Pizza Hut and there is a $2.50 delivery charge, which is not the tip.

So, on a $15 dollar order I have to pay 16% delivery charge and a tip?

No thank you.

Posted by: Walmart's Evil $4 Teaser Drugs at December 06, 2011 12:17 PM (piMMO)

172 If Putin could run for POTUS, would he beat Obama?

Yes.

Posted by: Polonium at December 06, 2011 12:17 PM (IfkGz)

173 161 And just who do I bite when there are no more mailmen? I will be out of a job too.
Posted by: Killerdog at December 06, 2011 04:01 PM

We expect we'd have to lay some folks off too

Posted by: Ammo manufacturers at December 06, 2011 12:18 PM (Y+DPZ)

174 Bullshit on the internet killing any brick and mortar stores. It was and always has been competition that kills a business. And the only way those local "mom and pop" stores stayed in business was because they didn't have any competition.

I don't buy from Amazon because their price is 8% lower (the sales tax here), I buy from Amazon because they have a way larger selection, I can read reviews, and the price is 20% to 30% or more lower.

Look, you going to tell me it was the internet that caused Blockbuster to go bankrupt? And not the fact that they charged over $3 to rent something for 2 days that cost them less than $10 to purchase? Along with late fees and that they could and did rent out over and over? NO. They were selling a product at far more than it's actual cost, they had a limited selection, and they refused to listen to the customer. The only way they were able to stay in business is because they had a monopoly--more or less--on new movie rentals.

So, it'd be nice if we'd not repeat that lie, that the internet has killed local businesses. It's a type of leftie smear right up there with the anti-Walmart shit.

Posted by: jimmuy at December 06, 2011 12:19 PM (/JzSK)

175 Be Kind - Please Rewind

Posted by: zombie video stores at December 06, 2011 12:22 PM (Y+DPZ)

176 His problem, then, is that he simply has a stagnant economy and diminishing wealth.

His problem, like all liberals, is that he views the economy as having static size, so that the only way someone gets a bigger piece of the pie is by taking away from someone else.

Static analyses and static perspective is the characteristic of liberals' world view.

Posted by: No Whining at December 06, 2011 12:22 PM (0AClR)

177 A consumption tax is far more conservative in principle than any income tax. Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2011 04:14 PM (qeYI9) What do you think the *actual* chances that you will get a simple, non-manipulative consumption tax without an additional income tax?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 06, 2011 12:22 PM (bxiXv)

178

Â“Â…they charged over $3 to rent something for 2 days that cost them less than $10 to purchaseÂ”

Posted by: jimmuy at December 06, 2011 04:19 PM (/JzSK)

Having owned a video rental store back in the heyday of VHS, I can tell you that new releases were in the $70 - $100 range, even buying in quantity. Out of 4600 square feet, the 10 x 12 ft. Â“adultÂ” room in the back of the store outperformed the regular movies by a wide margin.

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2011 12:27 PM (qeYI9)

179 All the Left has is hatred. They have no ideas, no brains, no clues. "What's the next villain I can get people to hate? Because it can't be my failed policies, that's an impossibility of science."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 06, 2011 12:27 PM (i0App)

180 For my America-saving, genius policy idea of 2012, I'm going to institute a new cash-for-internet-clunkers program to put money into people's pockets and to put an end to the job-killing internet. Bring in an old internet and we'll give you $250 in swap for a box of new curly mercury lights - those nasty incontinent bulbs are too dirty and old fashioned. It's a jobs program! You see some internet laying around. Pick it up and bring it in. We'll destroy it and credit you $250 on a new box of shiny mercury bulbs (shipping and handling not included).

Posted by: Emperor Barry at December 06, 2011 12:28 PM (X3lox)

181 Just his excuse to propose a tax on it.

Posted by: Roy at December 06, 2011 12:29 PM (VndSC)

182 The horse and buggy industry still hasn't recovered.

Posted by: DavidM at December 06, 2011 12:31 PM (R/e5b)

183 I though the internet was just for porn.

Posted by: Marie at December 06, 2011 12:31 PM (H50jQ)

184

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2011 04:27 PM

How did the fast-forwarding on those tapes affect margins?

Posted by: Pre-internet fappers at December 06, 2011 12:31 PM (Y+DPZ)

185

Â“What do you think the *actual* chances that you will get a simple, non-manipulative consumption tax without an additional income tax?Â”

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 06, 2011 04:22 PM (bxiXv)

It would be the hardest thing ever attempted, but if there was a groundswell of public opinion, it could happen. Even the authors of the Fair Tax plan said they wouldnÂ’t implement it if the income tax isnÂ’t constitutionally repealed.

The only way something this radical is appealing to the masses is when the economy is way down and people recognize that big changes are needed to keep and create jobs in the U.S. The Fair Tax would make the economy take off like a rocket.

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2011 12:32 PM (qeYI9)

186 2 I'll be back.

Posted by: ATM at December 06, 2011 03:17 PM (/d7Qz)

In my experience, the internet has made you unprofitable as well.

Posted by: Jasmine Byrne at December 06, 2011 12:34 PM (vjyZP)

187 I don't see blaming the internet for job losses going over so well with his nit-wit youth vote.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 06, 2011 12:36 PM (1Jaio)

188 because ATMs and robots were last season's villains. Don't forget the tsunami in Japan. He might as well just blame electricity.

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Posted by: Spike Dolomite Ward at December 06, 2011 12:37 PM (e8kgV)

190

How did the fast-forwarding on those tapes affect margins?

Posted by: Pre-internet fappers at December 06, 2011 04:31 PM (Y+DPZ)

Back in the day, it was a great business to be in. All cash, lots of fun.

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2011 12:40 PM (qeYI9)

191 64 If we could just have another war with theaters in Europe and Asia.
Posted by: Rosie the Riveter

Why would go to war against movie theaters?

Posted by: Clueless High School Student at December 06, 2011 12:40 PM (iYbLN)

192 I repeat, we do NOT need new internet taxes. We need to downsize local governments and get rid of local sales tax.

Also, make paying property tax a condition for voting in local elections. That was the way it was in early America.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2011 12:41 PM (YdQQY)

193

In order to justify states collecting taxes on internet transactions, you have to start with the premise that states are entitled to take our money for no apparent reason.

Instead, let's suggest that your average brick and mortar joint better start up an internet sales department if it wants to compete in the 21st century, and if the state still wants to tax them for business they're doing within that state's borders, well that's between them and their state.

Posted by: Burt TC at December 06, 2011 12:59 PM (TOk1P)

194 Does NJ still require me to stand aside and watch a "trained technician" "quickly and happily" pump gas into my car? There are some saved jobs right there.

Posted by: NC Ref at December 06, 2011 01:04 PM (/izg2)

195

Some "Jobs of The Future" are more equal than others.

Posted by: Warden at December 06, 2011 01:05 PM (CFLOB)

196 No new taxes evah! Current taxes will never be replaced, reduced or eliminated. No new taxes evah evah evah. Redistribution kills spirit and pride, entrepreneurship and extra effort.

Posted by: Justamom at December 06, 2011 01:32 PM (Sptt8)

197 You'd think Obummer would be happy about the gas-saving Gaia-loving logistics that eliminate deliveries to stores and ship products directly to the customer.

Posted by: Sgt. York at December 06, 2011 01:45 PM (H3Kr3)

198 It doesn't sounds as if he's blaming the internet, but rather trying to explain the way the economy has changed.

Posted by: Jordan at December 06, 2011 02:09 PM (XJYf4)

199 It doesn't sounds as if he's blaming the internet, but rather trying to explain the way the economy has changed. Learn English, you fucking retard.

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