1 He won't state a goal because someone, somewhere might actually hold him to it.

2 PRESENT!

3 he won't state a goal because soros hasn't approved it yet

4

It seems like he always has to reference previous statements when asked a tough question.

Hey dickface, if your answer was satisfactory the first time they wouldn't be re-asking.

Also things change, therefore a question wordred exactly the same as it was a month ago might have to yield a different answer.

You said no fly zone and now we're bombing everything Qdaffy in the country, care to explain the difference between what was sold to us and what is happening?

 

5 I will now let Nicolas Sarkozy answer any remaining questions...

6 What I will say, is that it is clear that I have acted stupidly.

7 Oh my GOD, he's so presidential!! If only Bush had built a coalition before terrorizing Iraq, we would have been much better off. This is leadership people!!

8 Saw a great tweet just now from allahpundit re Obama's statement about American leadership in the conflict: "Obama's not sure whether he's kicking it in the front seat or kicking it in the back seat."

He has to make his mind up, which seat will he pick?

9 Why even ask this shitstain, Princess Barack, any questions at all? Nothing he says can be believed.

10
Any military tactician worth his weight knows that cruise missiles are extremely effective at protecting civilians.

11

He's talking more about sanctions. I think he's trying to say the military goal is to protect civilians but his tightening-noose sanctions are supposed to further the Gadaffy-must-go goal.

On Friday, the Administration said that Sanctions didn't / don't work.

12 IowaHawk had a hilarious roundup of Obama-isms the other day:

#TheObamaSpeechWorkout grant me your attention as I disambiguate.

#TheObamaSpeechWorkout Please acquiesce to my perspicuity.

#TheObamaSpeechWorkout Indulge me in this moment of crystal clear non-obsfuscation.

#TheObamaSpeechWorkout Extend me the courtesy of expressing unmistakeability.

#TheObamaSpeechWorkout Permit me to express cogency.

#TheObamaSpeechWorkout Allow me to be lucid.

13

1 He won't state a goal because someone, somewhere might actually hold him to it.

(Intently picking nose... stops, looks up)

What?

14 Are we only receiving every other press conference this dipshit is giving?

Because I'm tired of hearing that professor bullshit of "I already told you that yesterday" "As I said before" "As I made clear before".


He says that to questions I know damn well he is hearing for the first time.

Fucking maddeningly stupid.

15 Lord Admiral Obama, how did Kaddafi's son die again? How's that No-Fly Zone you personally put together doing?

16 Can we all now start loudly asking all our liberal friends and media "Why isn't Qadaffi captured or dead yet?" and "Why isn't this quagmire over yet?"

17 Number of orgasms? Eleventy!!

18 Is ousting Gadaffy a goal? He won't say. He's talking more about sanctions. I think he's trying to say the military goal is to protect civilians but his tightening-noose sanctions are supposed to further the Gadaffy-must-go goal.

Then what is so wrong with stating this openly?  Even our interference in Libya to purportedly "protect civilians" is weakening Gadaffi's military, which would allow the rebels to overthrow the Crazy Colonel. 

19 Are we sure he's not doing this so Halliburton can help Unocal-Chevron build a gas pipeline across Libya?  Because if he is, and if he needs a building to knock down to underscore the need for military intervention, I hereby nominate the UN building.

20 Is ousting Gadaffy a goal? He won't say. You tell me what the goal is. Then I'll criticize it. Why should I choose the club? You're the caddy...

21

It just hit me last night that we're in another war. I know we've been bombing for a bit, but it's taken a while for it to feel like we're at war.

I guess it felt difference because in Iraq and Afghanistan, there was a build up to the war. I think Bush pushed for 7 months prior to us going into Iraq. He gave a speech before congress, he spoke forcefully about why we needed to be there.

Whereas with Libya, it's simply one day we're not at war and the next day we are at war.

 

I'm a bit torn too. I want Qdaffy gone, but I feel like this was the sloppiest entry into a war in American history. 

No breifing the public. No "selling" the war. No real justification. We're just there.

 

Anyone else feel that way?

22 ..."actually the war in Libya is the result of a joint effort between myself and the First Lady. Face it, Libyans are fat and use way too much salt. So I ask you, what better place to start the war on fat and sodium? And frankly, I am getting a little sick of looking at that giant booty.

So, this is a no lose situation for me. Either she is out promoting the "war" and therefore I don't have to look at that bulbous thing. I win. Or she shrinks it down to normal size. Again. I win...

23 Damn, I'm glad we aren't allied with the U.S. or I would be worried.

24 Obama : fray :: MFM : facts

25

There's a verse in the Bible, (I think in Proverbs) that goes like this:

Without a vision, the people will perish.

 

I think that pretty much sums up what's going to happen with Obama's no-strategy war strategy.   Smart Power!  Brought to you by the 52% of Americans that elected this venal, lazy, affirmative action, dumbass president. 

26 Here's what he's really saying: - The mission is to protect civilians. Nobody can disagree with that, and, like "jobs saved" it's rather difficult to disprove a claim like "thousands of lives were saved by our action." - Obama also hopes to also force the Libyan leader out, but he isn't sure it's going to happen because he doesn't have the balls to make sure it happens. So, if it does happen, he can take credit for it happening, but if it doesn't happen, he can claim that removing him was never the mission. Win-win. And the MSM will let him get away with it. You watch.

27 "As I said before..."

This has to be the most overused rhetorical device Obama has in his limited bag of speech writers.  It's the like chicken, only worse.

28

I feel like this was the sloppiest entry

You don't know what sloppy is.

29

Anyone else feel that way?

 

YES!!  Absolutely, yes!

30 At what point will the Obamaton accept/propose a cease fire line and leave us with West Libya, with its capital in Tripoli, and East Libya, with its capital in Benghazi?

31

This has to be the most overused rhetorical device Obama has in his limited bag of speech writers.  It's the like chicken, only worse.

 

 

I'd have to say "Some say" is up there too!

32 Whereas with Libya, it's simply one day we're not at war and the next day we are at war. To be fair, as I've said before, one day I was in Washington and the next day I was in Rio.

33 So, basically the goal is whatever serves Obama's interests at the current moment. Great motivation for the troops.

34

Win-win. And the MSM will let him get away with it. You watch.

 

Ith hard to talk with a chocolate penith in your mouth....

35 All hail Chile, that's where our answers lie.

36 Why oh why hasn't Chelsea enlisted yet?  It's almost as if they weren't sincere when they said all that shit about Bush.

37

I feel like this was the sloppiest entry

Excuse me?

38

Then what is so wrong with stating this openly?  Even our interference in Libya to purportedly "protect civilians" is weakening Gadaffi's military, which would allow the rebels to overthrow the Crazy Colonel. 

It's sort of war vs. war-war. Just like sort of rape vs. rape-rape. I'm sure the twats on The View understand.

39 "IowaHawk had a hilarious roundup of Obama-isms the other day: #TheObamaSpeechWorkout grant me your attention as I disambiguate. #TheObamaSpeechWorkout Please acquiesce to my perspicuity. #TheObamaSpeechWorkout Indulge me in this moment of crystal clear non-obsfuscation. #TheObamaSpeechWorkout Extend me the courtesy of expressing unmistakeability. #TheObamaSpeechWorkout Permit me to express cogency. #TheObamaSpeechWorkout Allow me to be lucid. Posted by: Johnny at March 21, 2011 02:50 PM (mhmc7) Even Oswald Bates sounded more intelligent.

40

No briefing the public. No "selling" the war. No real justification. We're just there.

Being a Democrat means never having to say you are sorry....

41 Overused rhetorical device? Unprecedented! and its twin Unexpected!

42 And now a word from the French representative, Mr. Strawman Tu Quoque.

43 Barry can't get a word in edgewise.

44

He's trying to walk a LEGAL tightrope.

Under the UN Charter the UN cannot interfere in 'internal affairs', which by definition a rebellion is.... so the Security Council declared this a Humanitarian mission to try to get around that clear prohibition.

The UN cannot call for the removal of a Member States sitting government under their charter... but they will justify the destruction of Q's army as taking away his ability to massacre his own people... even though there is NO evidence said massacre is happening.

Anddddd... as Obama did NOT get Congressional approval, he is using said UN resolution as the legal pretext to get involved... as the Senate ratified UN charter does say that member states will support Security Council resolutions.

Because he does NOT have the authority to attack Libya under the War Powers Act (as under 2.C of said act, he can only attack if our troops or territory is under imminent threat... unless he has an act of war or specific permission from Congress).

So... the Weasel wording.... if he says we are going to overthrow the big Q, then he no longer has cover from the UN resolution, OR have authority under the War Powers Act.... and taking us to War in an Unconstitutional manner would rise to a High Crime or Misdemeanor...

45 Posted by: Ben at March 21, 2011 02:54 PM (wuv1c)

I dunno.  It's kind of what Clinton did with Somalia and his bomb/missile attacks on Iraq.  Indeed, I expect its for the same reason.  To "prove" that he's not an anti-military president.

That said, all we've expended so far (unless I missed something Sunday) is some cruise missiles- not exactly "in harms way" when you get down to it.  I expect that'll get a pass from the public.

My main problem isn't even the "no buildup," it's the "no Constitutional authorization."  I know there's some argument as to whether Bush had dotted the appropriate Ts on Iraq, but there we already had a declared war- and a cease-fire which had been violated (rendering any later issues of Constitutional authority to go to war somewhat moot).  In this case, we have no such standing, that I know of, and no reasonable explanation for why K'daffy killing his own citizenry is a "Clear and Present Danger" to the United States.

I don't have a problem with us going in (indeed, I would have liked more actual leadership and the establishment of the "No-Fly" zone (which isn't what this is) earlier).  I have a problem with the fact he didn't consult Congress or get their agreement to engage us in acts of war not clearly required for our own protection.

46 Southern Europe needs the oil, France likes to dabble in Africa, and Jugears needs a quick and dirty foreign policy success.

47 Ummm. I'm uhhh going to ummm need to axe some of you Arabs and ummm Europeans to act as uhhh fig leaves ummm while I ummm try to get ummm my uhhhhhhhh  Man Card back.

48 Prezent toe-wedge!

49 Hey look, a tree.

50

"British officials confirm that Qaddafi regime organized Western journalists for a visit Sunday night to the Libyan leader's damaged compound in Tripoli and to act as human shields to thwart further attacks".   My take would be if they are from the MSM, it's a win win .

51 So, maybe he's doing it because Libya is the world's largest sand trap and he's so used to being in one that he feels comfortable again?

52 Jugears needs a quick and dirty foreign policy success. To distract us from the quagmire we're in over in Arizona.

53 It's too funny when the other presidents are the ones touting "American exceptionalism". 

Lately a lot of people I know have traveled abroad for the first time.  They are coming back telling me that "Americans aren't hated and they don't understand why everyone believes that".  They've also said this was disappointing for them to realize.  One of my friends on a trip went to a museum or something and was treated to a celebration of America that everyone watched.

Shep is reporting big huge explosions in tripoli.

54 @39 Allow me to pontificate, or rather, defecate. Clitorically speaking, I agree.

55 He will let us know the goal as soon as Sarkozy tells him. Shoosh, when you subcontract leadership to the French you have to be willing to accept a lot of uncertainty. Can anyone remember the last time French forces were victorious? Best I can do is "Rainbow Warrior". Just sayin.

56 I thought the point of a human shield was to place persons in a target area that the average United States military member was LESS likely to want to bomb?

Members of the press might not fit that bill. And if the NYT is there, I'd say that it's like taping a giant KICK ME sign to the building.

57 Posted by: curious at March 21, 2011 03:06 PM (k1rwm) Well, I can report from personal experience that Russians hate Americans, but your point is taken with some exceptions.

58

Fact: Obama spent more time on his men and women's NCAA bracket picks than putting together any cogent plan of attack on Libya.

Prove me wrong shitforbrain, libs.

59 Southern Europe needs the oil, France likes to dabble in Africa, and Jugears needs a quick and dirty foreign policy success.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth

I think its more like BP/England pushing.  The higher-ups in the English govnt got a look at trying to pay them old pensioners without BP's filthy lucre, and did not like what they had seen.

60 I think Obama expected a Joint Conference to be something else.

61 So the French want to secure their oil supply and Obama wants to support them. I'm ok with that. Now that Brazil's got oil and Obama has negotiated the deal, when do we send in the missiles for payment? Whatever the French can do, we can do better.

62 President Politician-bot

63 Working on my giant paper mache Obama-head for the huge anti-war protest this weekend.

What?

64 Hahahaha.

65 Finally a war we can get behind.

66

Wonder how quick we just spent the $61 Billion the republicans are trying to cut?

67

Oh and take a looksee here!

Fun new website^*!

^{* this website may or may not have an image to a Code Pink scrunt with very visible pit hair}

68

I'd have to say "Some say" is up there too!

 

Nah.  "Let me be clear...." has got all of you beat.

69

Fact: Obama spent more time on his men and women's NCAA bracket picks than putting together any cogent plan of attack on Libya.

Prove me wrong shitforbrain, libs.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 21, 2011 03:08 PM (pLTLS)

oh I had that explained to me "it was a job interview so of course he would spend so much time".  those who told me that said "he's going to be leaving the presidency as a young man you can't expect him not yo have a job after the presidency" and so then I said "well, I thought he was gunning for being the head honcho at the UN or founding his own country somewhere on the planet and ruling that" and they said "well sports is his first love and politics is arduous and draining so we think he should do something fun that he loves"...

i kid you not

70 Let's just divide Libya into three countries.

71 In Obama's America  'Freedom Fries' are 'French Fries' once again.

72 8 Saw a great tweet just now from allahpundit re Obama's statement about American leadership in the conflict: "Obama's not sure whether he's kicking it in the front seat or kicking it in the back seat."

He has to make his mind up, which seat will he pick?

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at March 21, 2011 02:49 PM (KktlX)

If you were to ask Obama which seat he's in, he'd say, "I'm not in a seat.  I'm outside the car, trying to push it out of the ditch where the republicans left it.  Have you heard that yet?  My ditch metaphor?  It's a good bit.  Very quippy.  Let me repeat it for you so you can get the exact quote..."

The man is a jackass.

73 Shep is reporting big huge explosions in Tripoli.

Hopefully no Mosques were hit or Q'u'a'r'a'ns defiled.  If we lose our diversity in this conflict we'll have lost everything.

74 69  huh? a job interview with whom? ESPN? that makes no sense.

75 I asked my hubby if him getting off was the main goal of sex.

He responded, 'I ain't no wishy-washy, weaselly Obama-like guy, darling.  Hell yes, it's all about me.'

What can I say, I like straight answers

76 Interesting. Bush was a disengaged and out-of-touch president, which eventually yielded him approval ratings in the 30's. Obama is a non-committal but seemingly-engaged president who enjoys ratings in the high 40's. What does this mean? It means Obama is adroit at politics. He was born for it.

77 Hey fuck-o, who is along for the ride, sitting in the back seat now?

Oh look, you drove the ship-of-state aground.  We'll be down on the mess decks having an ice cream social.

78 Is Shep hyperventilating?

79 What does this mean? It means Obama is adroit at politics. He was born for it.

Also means that a significant portion of the voting population is stuck on stupid.  Heaven help us. 

80

^{"* this website may or may not have an image to a Code Pink scrunt with very visible pit hair "}

 

^{I think you have found Andrea Mitchell's replacement. She needs to lift a few weights to get into Moochelle's bracket.}

81 >>Hey look, a tree. Takes me back to the days of "the tank".

82

[Chant]

Obama needs to go.

[/Chant]

83 "No breifing the public. No 'selling' the war. No real justification. We're just there." The truly scary part is that this is probably exactly how it happened between Princess Barack's jugears. He wasted the time when intervention could have most helped with his head in the sand in hopes that it would go away, and then he suddenly jumped on board when the Arab League made the decision for him.

84

If you were to ask Obama which seat he's in, he'd say,

 

"AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE:  I'm not in a seat.  I'm outside the car, trying to push it out of the ditch where the republicans left it.  Have you heard that yet?  My ditch metaphor?  It's a good bit.  Very quippy.  Let me repeat it for you so you can get the exact quote..."

 

FIFY!!!1111

85 Obama In Steve Erkel voice after explosions in Tripoli: "Did I do that?"

86 Gaddaffy has to go.

Their aren't a bunch of ways to make Daffy go away.

1. Reduce metabolic rate to 0 using method of choice.
2. Defeat, route, cause to defect, or otherwise render Daffy's standing army and security force useless, and upon crowds of pitchfork AK-47 wielding villagers showing up at his residence, comprising a credible and certain threat of reducing his metabolic rate to 0, Daffy steps down runs for life to Venezuela.

Pick one already and stick with it, or admit that you're just not serious about this Daffy has to go thing.

87 speaking of being stuck on stupid... I noticed Gen Honore on tv last week on one of the morning shows. I don't what he was doing or where he was, though. It appeared he was on some humanitarian mission.

88

I have no doubt Obama is in the mid-30's - poll wise.

People are dumb, they're not that dumb. They pay for gas, they pay for food. They see the high costs. Too many are still out of work.

I don't think they are being forthright. They don't want to be *that person* that has to confirm what we all know -- mainly that Affirmative Action doesn't work. And that Barky McBrackets is Exhibit A.

Exit polls will confirm this in 2012.

I'll take that last statement to the bank.

89

Chile is a great country as demonstrated by the strength of the miners in their perseverance to survive, and especially when they spoke Chilean loud and clear to the world about their imperative to survive. 

Viva Chile!

Hussein Obama

90 Well, we know where fox stands "Welcome to America's third war"

91

I for one, would like welcome our new French overloards.

 

92 "Ousting a Libyan leader is like a car in a ditch..."

93 What does this mean? It means Obama is adroit at politics. He was born for it.

Having a stable of flat-out media whores helps.

94 >>What does this mean? It means Obama is adroit at politics. He was born for it. Nah, it means Obama is a liberal democrat who gets tongue bathed for the exact same things the msm hammered Bush for incessantly. When was the last time you heard about any grim milestones in Iraq or Afghanistan? Hell, when was the last time you heard anything about Iraq at all? Having the msm act as your press agent makes being precedent a shit load easier.

95 did anyone else catch him saying he doesn't want to say the good parts of his speech.  I guess he's giving a speech and it can't be changed on the fly?

96 "I didn't put the car in the ditch; I found it there. By lobbing missiles at Libya, I'm digging out the car while my critics stand around sipping slurpees."

97 Posted by: USS Diversity at March 21, 2011 03:20 PM (gJNMj)

They'd have to get paid...

98 What does this mean?

People want to like him. That has always been known. The fact that he can only eek 40% approval out of a populace that desperately wants to approve is telling.

99

"NO LABIA, NO PIECE!!!!!1111"

 

 

100 OT: Um, this might be bad

The Iranian leaders, furious over the Saudi intervention in Bahrain and what they call crimes against the Shiites of that country, have openly created centers to recruit volunteers for suicide bombings against Saudi ArabiaÂ’s interests worldwide:

101

In Obama's America  'Freedom Fries' are 'French Fries' once again.

We just need to find a new name for American cheese.

102 So they are using CNN journalists as human shields according to Shep.  The libyans are saying it was voluntary?

103

People want to like him. That has always been known. The fact that he can only eek 40% approval out of a populace that desperately wants to approve is telling.

 

I still think more people "want" to like him out of fear of being called a racist if they don't.

 

 

104 Not that we didn't already know this, but it's nice to see oBOMBa getting blasted from all directions: http://tinyurl.com/4jwbjmy

IranÂ’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei used his new yearÂ’s message on Monday to slam the military intervention in Libya, back regional revolts, and accuse US President Barack Obama of lying.

“The US and Western (allies) claim they want to defend the people by carrying out military operations or by entering Libya… You did not come to defend the people, you’ve come after Libyan oil,” Khamenei said in a live broadcast from the holy city of Mashhad.

105 Fucking jugears reminds of this harley shop owner I do work for sometimes. I get called in when the jobs are way over his head, and beyond his ability. I swear, he will start off not knowing wtf is going on, and after you straighten him out, he starts talking like he came up with the solutions.

Fucking maddening.

106

The Iranian leaders, furious over the Saudi intervention in Bahrain and what they call crimes against the Shiites of that country, have openly created centers to recruit volunteers for suicide bombings against Saudi ArabiaÂ’s interests worldwide:

Geez, I can only imagine what's going to happen to gas prices.  It really does seem like the end times--a bag of gold will buy a loaf of bread.

107

Anyone else feel that way?  -- I do.  And I'm an Army officer. 

It's kind of what Clinton did . . .  -- Exactly. 

A "no fly zone" isn't a military idea.  It's a political idea, from the Clinton administration.  The military way of doing things is to decide what you want done, then go do it, finish it, and go home.  The preznit hasn't given us the what and why of this thing - just the how.  This is not the path to success. 

108 I dunno, this is a most extraordinary case in which 'facts on the ground' don't hurt the current White House occupier. The media is a big help, yes. But the people seem 'comfortably numb' and I an't figure out who/what put the spell on them.

109 I don't know?

What could you make of this?

http://tinyurl.com/3xfo9zx

110

Reminds me of that MASH episode: 'This is a press conference! The last thing I'm going to do is answer a lot of questions.'

111

You said no fly zone and now we're bombing everything Qdaffy in the country, care to explain the difference between what was sold to us and what is happening?

 

Posted by: Ben

I was under the impression that bombing hell out of pretty much every piece of military ordnance in sight was part of imposing a no-fly zone. So I have no problem with that.

But, boy, do I have a problem - like everyone else here! - with the question of what the point, goal and endgame of this little exercise in making things go boom is!

112 In Obama's America  'Freedom Fries' are 'French Fries' once again.

Because after all they inventeOH THAT'S RIGHT THEY DIDN'T!

113

As I've stated ... and let me be clear ...

The Indonesian Imbecile has to go.  Yesterday.

114

But the people seem 'comfortably numb'

People can't be this numb. Their depleted savings won't allow it.

They.Are.Lying.

115 2. Defeat, route, cause to defect, or otherwise render Daffy's standing army and security force useless, and upon crowds of pitchfork AK-47 wielding villagers showing up at his residence, comprising a credible and certain threat of reducing his metabolic rate to 0, Daffy steps down runs for life to Venezuela.

I'm kind of curious. Are all these folks who were pushing the notion that civilians had to be protected going to care once the bloodthirsty mob reaches Tripoli?

116

"The preznit hasn't given us the what and why of this thing - just the how.  This is not the path to success. "

 

You are just too white and angry to understand the depth of Sparky's intelligence. We are Winning The Future...   

117 110

Reminds me of that MASH episode: 'This is a press conference! The last thing I'm going to do is answer a lot of questions.'

Why can't I just eat my waffle?  I already answered, like, 8 questions. 

118 NRO Poll:  Who is tougher, Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama?

Hillary!:  98%
Obama: 2%

7,000+ total votes.

119 He's flying by the seat of his pants.  He is so far in over his jugears that it's painful to watch.  This is what Hillary meant when she suggested that a community organizer is not who you want answering that all-important 3 AM call.

120 I said it earlier and I'll say it again:

The reason BO filled out the brackets, the reason he went on his trip, etc., is that he needs the adoring fans.  He needs it, like you and I need oxygen and water. 

  It is his manna.   (BO plays soccer video)
...
Then the president walked out into the streets and waved to throngs of residents who cheered him from rooftops and balconies. Dozens of young children pressed up against a chainlink fence trying to get a look.

121 Fact: Obama spent more time on his men and women's NCAA bracket picks than putting together any cogent plan of attack on Libya.

The fact that he has a women's bracket is plenty damning.  There's no real need to go further.

122

Way OT (sports related so skip if you're already rolling your eyes)

TN has fired Bruce Pearl. Not official -  but the AP has picked it up.

Now OSU must do the same with The Sweatervest^®

123 @100 Maybe not so bad, if the Arabian Peninsula's Sunni wackos redirect their own suicide bomber types from Iraq to Iran.

124
In Obama's America  'Freedom Fries' are 'French Fries' once again.

Yea, but he better not fuck with Tater Tots.

-Ron White (Just call me tater)

125

I was under the impression that bombing hell out of pretty much every piece of military ordnance in sight was part of imposing a no-fly zone. So I have no problem with that.

But, boy, do I have a problem - like everyone else here! - with the question of what the point, goal and endgame of this little exercise in making things go boom is!

Here's the thing. I don't have a problem with bombing the tanks, army, etc as that is the only thing that will work, but that wasn't what he tried to sell us.

A No Fly Zone means just that. No flying. It does involve taking out Anti Aircraft installations, but has nothing to do with being the rebels airforce.

If he had said that, then fine, but he didn't He sold it as a no fly zone. That would be the extent of our involvement.

Now it is to "protect the civllians". That is as vague as it gets. Do we have the power to ban incandescent light bulbs in libya too? I think so if we're going by that vague defintion.

Here's what bothers me, no one knows what our mandate is there and what our goal is.

He's our freaking president. As much as bush was hated, you knew where he stood. you knew what his goal was. With Obama I have no clue.

What is our purpose there? Is it to over throw Qdaffy? Is it to stop a slaughter in Benghazi? Is it going to be a decade long No Fly Zone if Gdaffy doesn't fall like it was in Iraq post 1991?

He's the president. His job is to lead.

126

Of course he has a women's bracket. It would be inseeeeeeeeeeensitive to do otherwise. Nevermind the fact that no one gives a shit about women's bball. Or any women's sport for that matter.

Quick! Name last year's NCAA women's hoops winner.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I did the brackets a few years back at work and some feminist hag got all bent out of shape because we had no women's brackets. I told her she was free to send them out if it was important to her. Of course I followed up with, 'no one will fill them out, but feel free, go ahead and waste your time'.

127

Now OSU must do the same with The Sweatervest^®

 

Ha! Ha!  I read that as "Oregon State University" and thought "Gee, I've never seen Craig Robinson (Moochelle's bro) in a sweater vest.  I wasn't thinking football and Tressle!

128

The only thing that will redeem this clusterfuck in my eyes is Khaddafy dead.

He owes us a death for Lockerbie and it's time to pay up.

129

People can't be this numb. Their depleted savings won't allow it.

They.Are.Lying.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 21, 2011 03:27 PM (pLTLS)

I want to agree with you, Lacey, but I'm too cynical.  Your reasoning would work for hard-working, genuinely middle-class Americans, but not for toffee-nosed lefty snobs or welfare queens and their sugar daddies.  The former won't admit to ending up in the poorhouse, and the latter will be all too happy to blame Republican obstructionism getting in the way of all that money Obama promised them. 

130 Posted by: Dianna at March 21, 2011 03:26 PM (qrFCz)

The original "No Fly Zone" (IIRC) was established under Bush I (and expanded a little under Clinton) in Iraq.  It meant just what it said: no non-Coalition (then US) approved aircraft could fly in that zone: they would be re-routed or shot down.

Attacking targets on the ground is something else again.  I don't know what you'd call it, but it's not a "No Fly Zone."

That said, a true no-fly zone would have been fairly useless, since you don't need airplanes to take out rebels armed with rifles and RPGs when you have tanks and a willingness to slaughter civilians.

131 btw, about a year ago Nat'l Review's (?) Richard Pipes wrote a piece on how Obama could gain popularity: attack Iran! It's pretty obvious he's attacking Libya to help himself in 2012.

132

Of course he has a women's bracket. It would be inseeeeeeeeeeensitive to do otherwise. Nevermind the fact that no one gives a shit about women's bball. Or any women's sport for that matter.

 

You are tho wrong about that, thither!

133 oh, a plea to slublog... please make a p-chop of Andrea Mitchell in a poodle skirt looking dreamy-eyed at Obama wearing Fonzy's leather jacket.

134 This asshole is our 'leader'?  Dear God, we are in trouble:

Obama: "After the initial thrust that has disabled Gaddafi's air defences, limiting his ability to threaten the populations, there will be a transition in which we have a range of coalition partners, who will then be participating in establishing a no-fly zone.

"The core point that has to be upheld here, is that the entire international community, almost unanimously, says that when there is a potential humanitarian crisis about to take place, when a leader that has lost legitimacy and decides to turn his military on his own people, we simply can't stand by with empty words, we have to take some sort of action."

135

Your reasoning would work for hard-working, genuinely middle-class Americans, but not for toffee-nosed lefty snobs or welfare queens and their sugar daddies. 

Yeah but keep in mind he took a lot of idiot squish that thought it was hip to cast their vote for the black dude. These were the Whole Foods/Starbucks yipsters that wanted to put his sticker on the back of their.

Gone are those stickers from their car. They'll be the first to say that he 'needs more time'. Because to otherwise is unseemly. It's not what they're thinking.

I'm just saying, they're feeling the pinch too. In their own day-to-day expenses and most likely in their HC premiums.

Just watch the exit poll come Nov 2012. They're going to be so farked compared to the tally at the end of the night.

136 A No-Fly zone is when you tell a country they can't fly or light off their air defense systems.  You don't bomb the them until AFTER they do one or the other.

I don't know where this notion that we have to take out the air force and air defenses in order to impose a No-fly zone comes from.  We impose it, and if they comply, no problem-it is a measure short of war.  Just bombing from the get-go is war.

It seems to me this is a case of France wanting to go to war without having to say so.

137 Zero is just sniffing around, like a hog in the dirt, hoping to get lucky. Outsidda that, there ain't no plan. So how do you discuss plans that don't exist? You stall by talking around the non-existant plan. Mebbe something will break so somebody will get an idea (plan) then he will discuss it. Remember, Zero is disinterested in foreign affairs. He still is.

138

118 NRO Poll:  Who is tougher, Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama?

Hillary!:  98%
Obama: 2%

7,000+ total votes.

 

FAP**FAP**FAP**

FAP

 

 

139 If you want clarity you may or may not be sure you have come to the place where you may or may not find it. As I have stated before and will state again in some slightly unmodified yet clearly coherent fashion which deals with the essentials of winning the choo choo train to the future of foreign policy affairs this action is clearly within or without the perogative of my role as President, golfer and High Lord B Baller in Chief. As conditions change you will be afforded the chance to explain away why my previous statements on the campaign trail and 48 hours ago in no way mesh or follow logically from my current evolving perspective on our role regarding that country headed by some guy that Calypso Louie is all leg humpingly hot over.

140 Posted by: MWR at March 21, 2011 03:33 PM (4df7R)

Actually, just the opposite.  It's the middle class, hard working, relatively thrifty Americans who are most numb.  With enough pain, eventually the pain receptors just shut down- they quit providing any input.  I think that's how most Americans are, today.  They look at Obama (who promised them "Hope" and "Change") and they got the actual Obama.  Then they look at the Republicans (who promised taking a chainsaw to the budget and repealing and/or defunding Obamacare) and they get a paltry 6bn (or so) in budget cuts.  At this point, I think the vast majority of Americans have just abandoned politics completely.

Which wouldn't be so bad, except that most of them will feel its their "duty" to vote even though they haven't paid attention for 2+ years when the next Presidential election comes around.

141 If it's not technically a war, then we won't technically be surrendering....

142

re: New Wonder Woman

She sucks!  They should have cast Nina Mercedez.  Because it's all about filling out the solid gold bustier.

143 The pot for the office March Madness pick'em is $1200, so suck it wingers.

144

 If it's not technically a war, then we won't technically be surrendering....

Attack them men. Their white flags are no match for our muskets

145

I want to keep all their oil this time.  It'll be payback for Lockerbie.

146 It could also be that people are confused. With all the lying and propaganda over the last 10 years, everyone's bearings are screwy. When the economy was booming, people were told it sucked. Now the economy sucks and people are told "America is back!" War was bad. Now war is good! Deficits were bad. Now deficits are stimulus! And so on.

147 We farmed out all of our jobs to China, now we have farmed our leadership out to France.

148 Wonder Woman needs to be left back in the 70's.    That costume is ridiculous today.

149

I don't know where this notion that we have to take out the air force and air defenses in order to impose a No-fly zone comes from.  We impose it, and if they comply, no problem-it is a measure short of war.  Just bombing from the get-go is war.

It seems to me this is a case of France wanting to go to war without having to say so.

I agree. This isn't a no fly zone(a stupid concept to begin with).

This is a war from the sea and air.

We're serving as the rebel navy and airforce.

This is a war

150 @136  The Obama stickers are definitely not off the hipstermobiles in Astoria.  Then again, this is just the sort of Tikrit full of Libtard Dead-enders you would expect from a place overrun with hipster douchebags.

151 That said, a true no-fly zone would have been fairly useless, since you don't need airplanes to take out rebels armed with rifles and RPGs when you have tanks and a willingness to slaughter civilians.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

Oh, I agree with this.

I honestly had no problem with the bombing of ground targets, though. It's still fairly useless, unfortunately.

152

I was under the impression that bombing hell out of pretty much every piece of military ordnance in sight was part of imposing a no-fly zone. So I have no problem with that.

But, boy, do I have a problem - like everyone else here! - with the question of what the point, goal and endgame of this little exercise in making things go boom is!

Here's the thing. I don't have a problem with bombing the tanks, army, etc as that is the only thing that will work, but that wasn't what he tried to sell us.

A No Fly Zone means just that. No flying. It does involve taking out Anti Aircraft installations, but has nothing to do with being the rebels airforce.

If he had said that, then fine, but he didn't He sold it as a no fly zone. That would be the extent of our involvement.

Now it is to "protect the civllians". That is as vague as it gets. Do we have the power to ban incandescent light bulbs in libya too? I think so if we're going by that vague defintion.

Here's what bothers me, no one knows what our mandate is there and what our goal is.

He's our freaking president. As much as bush was hated, you knew where he stood. you knew what his goal was. With Obama I have no clue.

What is our purpose there? Is it to over throw Qdaffy? Is it to stop a slaughter in Benghazi? Is it going to be a decade long No Fly Zone if Gdaffy doesn't fall like it was in Iraq post 1991?

He's the president. His job is to lead.

Posted by: Ben at March 21, 2011 03:31 PM (wuv1c)

 

I've think your getting to the root of what bothers me about his justification:  He doesn't really care about the justification. If the conditions change (and they will), he will just change the justification.  He'll just make shit up as he goes along and the press will, once again, let him get away with it.  

 

 

 

153 Hey, you know who also killed one of QGaddafy's kids?

Reagan!

He and Obama are brothers from another mother!

154

148
It could also be that people are confused. With all the lying and propaganda over the last 10 years, everyone's bearings are screwy.

When the economy was booming, people were told it sucked. Now the economy sucks and people are told "America is back!"

War was bad. Now war is good!

Deficits were bad. Now deficits are stimulus!

Ever work in a slaughterhouse? When the near brainless beeves get close enougn to the kill floor to realize we don't have their best interestes at heart, we then applied the shock stick. Everybody continued down the chute in the right direction just like it was the thing to do.

155 137 A No-Fly zone is when you tell a country they can't fly or light off their air defense systems.  You don't bomb the them until AFTER they do one or the other.

Uh OK, You can pilot the first runs.  Such bravery. You protect the pilots as best you can before you expose them.

156 Send the big gray ships and those uniform guys and launch those things at those other things.

157 I get called in when the jobs are way over his head, and beyond his ability. I swear, he will start off not knowing wtf is going on, and after you straighten him out, he starts talking like he came up with the solutions.

My buddy and I used to compete in barbecue tournaments.  Occasionally, another friend of his would show up.  He was the kind of guy who was expert on everything.  I'd give the game plan and, seconds later, he would repeat what I just said--only more emphatically. And his voice would change. He would use the voice of the seasoned expert.  Like he just thought of it, and he'd decided to chime-in and help us out.  This happened every time I talked strategy.

Me: "Okay, guys, let's cook the pulled pork about ten degrees hotter and for the same amount of time.  I think last time we ran into a problem with it not being as tender as the judges expected."

(ten seconds)

Him: "We should smoke the pork... ten to fifteen degrees hotter... (wave hand in a hatchet motion for emphasis)... since your average judge prefers meat that is more tender. (Look at each person right in the eye for half a second for emphasis and to see if they all got the message.)"

Me:  "Okay, I'm going to work on this presentation.  I'll cut the lettuce into a rosette this time and use the garnish at the end to hide any imbalance in the display.  Also, I'll use only the meat with the greatest amount of smoke, and put that in the middle and on top--instead of just throwing it in there.  Judges like to see color.  They like to see that smoke ring."

(ten seconds)

Him (loudly, directly to me):  "You should arrange the lettuce so that it doesn't look like you just dropped it on the tray.   (Look intently at my face to see if I got the message.  After seeing that I did, continue.)  And pull your meat from the best parts and put that right on top, so the judges see that.  (Speak slowly, like an adult to a child, and look at me quizzically to see if I understand.  When it appears I got it, continue.)  Judges like to see your smoke discoloration.  Also, use that garnish only after every thing else is done to hide any imperfection in the display.  (Again, get right in my face to see if I got it.  Then answer my nod with an exaggerated nod that everyone else can see clearly, as if to say, "I can tell that the retarded child understands what I'm getting at.")"

Yeah, I know what you mean.

158 That still annoys me.

159

Wonder Woman?

 

160 How about a tranny Navy Petty Officer who dresses up as wonder Women and fights hate crimes off base?

Inspired by that dude who retired as a dude but now campaigns for transexual integration of the armed forces dressed in his womens' SDBs. 

161 President Obama shows he deserves Nobel Prize cause he keeping us out of ground war unlike stupid Bush n Cheney so suck it Rethuglikkkkan Corporatist Wingers!

162 Lives created or saved.

163 now I need ribs, stat

164 @157 Get fucked, jerkoff.  I already did my twenty, some of which involved maritime interdiction of Iraq.

165

Obama's war is for peace

166 I thought that was Catherine Zeta-Jones for a second there.

Then I realized it's not 1998 any more.

167 human rights groups estimate [Obama's] death Toll in Egypt and Libya to be about 300 and 6000, respectively. You'd think they'd be thanking Obama. That's what you'd think.

168 If Daffy lives and stays in power through all of this, all Dear Leader has to say to get the MFM from asking questions is:  "My youngest daughter was watching me shave one morning and she asked in that teeny tiny squeaky voice of hers; why are you trying to hurt uncle Moramar"?

169 Send Wonder Woman to get Gaddaffy

170 Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at March 21, 2011 03:52 PM (0IPsJ)


Then you should know better than to make a statement like that. Thank you for your service.

171 "The core point that has to be upheld here, is that the entire international community, almost unanimously, says that when there is a potential humanitarian crisis about to take place, when a leader that has lost legitimacy and decides to turn his military on his own people, we simply can't stand by with empty words, we have to take some sort of action."

Frankly, this is why I am against this entire operation. The "protests" in Libya were a rebellion from day one. There was burning of public buildings and killing of soldiers from the git go leading to rebel occupation of entire cities. Daffy may be the biggest asshole to ever come down the pike but I don't see how it's a "potential humanitarian crisis" when a leader is using violence to stop a violent rebellion. Was Daffy bombing cities before a bunch if people decided to occupy them and kill the local officials? How do innocent civilians announce they are about to "take" Tripoli?

172 Obama's Stupid
Fixed it for you.

173 >>Wonder Woman needs to be left back in the 70's. That costume is ridiculous today. No shit.

174

Claire McKaskil forgets to pay $289,000 in taxes on her plane. Happens to everybody right?

http://tinyurl.com/4oj5fbu

 

175 Posted by: Rocks at March 21, 2011 03:56 PM (Q1lie)

I disagree with, but can certainly respect, that statement.

I believe that K'daffy being in power is a net negative (albeit a very minor one) for our National Security (minor on the scale of: "What if the British PM accidentally nicks himself while shaving- and has hemophilia?" minor- unless it actually comes up, why waste the effort?).  So, when this rebellion (you're right about that) began, our correct course of action should have been to offer our assistance in the form of loans which could be used to purchase arms, equipment, and training, and would be repaid in very, very favorable oil contracts.

However, given that wasn't going to happen, I don't have a problem with this tactic, as much as I have problems with the extra-Constitutional nature by which we arrived at this situation and with the seemingly undirected nature of the "strategy" involved.

176 Fuck Gaddaffy.There is no reason good enough to not impeach that megalomaniac in the WH.

177 OK I had a meeting, what's the short skinny on the presser?

178 Claire McKaskil forgets to pay $289,000 in taxes on her plane. Happens to everybody right?

My wife and I went to H&R Block last week and only had a $240,000 bill.  She should recheck her numbers, seems a little high.

179

If after all is said and done Gadfly is still alive and kicking, then this action in Libya will be nothing more than a protracted farce meant to make us look strong despite our weak-chinned, weak-willed, weak-kneed President.  

Honestly, we would have been better off loading up a few hot air balloons with some old Soviet Kalashnikovs and a few crates of grenades and sending them out over Libya with just enough hot air to come to earth in the middle of Benghazi.

180 @172 Sorry.  Wrong Answer.  A "No-fly" zone is simply that, a "No-fly" zone.  Not a, "hey, let's just bomb everything under the pretense of keeping the Libyan Air Force grounded" zone.  There is no point in even declaring a "No-fly" zone as though it were some measure short of war if you are just going to go to war.  War is the ultimate "no-fly" zone.

If you want to got to war, then say you want to go to war.  Otherwise, shut it.

181

 

Send Wonder Woman to get Gaddaffy.

Invisible jets are useful in a no-fly zone.

182 67
That Code Pink woman with the black and hairy underarms looks mad enough to kill someone.

183

Claire McKaskil forgets to pay $289,000 in taxes on her plane. Happens to everybody right?

http://tinyurl.com/4oj5fbu

 

Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2011 04:01 PM (MtwBb)

Ah, yes. The Steve Martin Defense.

"I forgot that armed robbery was illegal."

184 Everytime a troll starts talking about how we should not be insulting a president at a time like this because of the conflict I think everyone should remember to point something out.  If combat in Libya isn't important enough for Obama to not go on vacation to Rio, then its not important enough for us to insult his complete ineptitude.

185 Uh OK, You can pilot the first runs.  Such bravery. You protect the pilots as best you can before you expose them.

Posted by: Meddler at March 21, 2011 03:48 PM (Ovv0o)

Protect what?  Our pilots have no need or reason to be flying over Libya.  What's to protect them from?

Is this a Libyan No-Fly Zone or a UN Must-Fly Zone? 

186 80% of the country doesn't know where Libya is. Has Obama said Qdaffy's name yet? Because I haven't heard it and it's starting to get weird. It's like he is purposefully not naming him as part of some weird socialist quasi-islam brotherhood thing.

187 An Iowahawk quote:

Field Marshall Brackets O'Momjeans

Funny shit.

188

176

Claire McKaskil forgets to pay $289,000 in taxes on her plane. Happens to everybody right?

http://tinyurl.com/4oj5fbu

 

Yeppers!

189 Is this a Libyan No-Fly Zone or a UN Must-Fly Zone? Posted by: Henry Harold Humphries - you can call me 'H' at March 21, 2011 04:05 PM (iRJ9J) Well politics aside, for the US it's only target practice

190

80% of the country doesn't know where Libya is. Has Obama said Qdaffy's name yet? Because I haven't heard it and it's starting to get weird. It's like he is purposefully not naming him as part of some weird socialist quasi-islam brotherhood thing.

 

Dagny, did you see that video of Farrakhan going monkey daddy on Barackety over Ghaddafi?  It's comedy gold!

191

Has Obama said Qdaffy's name yet?

No.  But, to be fair, Obama doesn't speak Libyan so he wouldn't know the proper contrived pronunciation for Daffy.

192 189 80% of the country doesn't know where Libya is. Has Obama said Qdaffy's name yet? Because I haven't heard it and it's starting to get weird. It's like he is purposefully not naming him as part of some weird socialist quasi-islam brotherhood thing.

Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2011 04:06 PM (PWz0o)

Lol, that's because he knows he'll be laughed at for his pronunciation.

Mr. Pock-ee-Stahn, tally-bahn

193

Aaaaaand the "chickenhawk" argument comes out. Right on cue.

194 Ya know how I know Hollywood is ghey?

Batman's suit has nipples and Wonder Woman's doesn't.

195 That still annoys me.

How did you resist stuffing him into the smoker?  Judges love the long pig.

196 "That Code Pink woman with the black and hairy underarms looks mad enough to kill someone." The material and moral support they provided our terrorist enemy in Iraq has probably gotten enough U.S. servicemen and servicewomen killed for each member of Code Pink to claim at least one for herself. The most dangerous enemy is the enemy within.

197 President Obombya.

198 @195 52% of the country actually voted for a pretentious ass that lectured us about Pock-ee-Stahn and the Tally-me-banana.  I don't know who the is the bigger tool-Obama or his voters.

199 President Obamoil

200

Dagny, did you see that video of Farrakhan going monkey daddy on Barackety over Ghaddafi?  It's comedy gold!

I did! Hannity is replaying it now. My favorite part is where he suggests the "demons" (white people)  are rising up and influencing him.

201 OT - no Pawlenty thread yet, huh? Was looking forward to the melee.

202 >>Wonder Woman needs to be left back in the 70's. That costume is ridiculous today.

WHAT!?!?!

You put a Linda Carter'esque woman in that costume and it STILL stands up.  Big tits nice ass CAN'T LOSE!!!

203 Remember when the Left pretended to be outraged when John McCain sang "bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-a-bomb...bomb Irannnnnn?"

204 My favorite part is where he suggests the "demons" (white people) are rising up and influencing him. Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2011 04:10 PM (PWz0o) The "demons" around him, or the "demon" in him? I mean he is 50% white right?

205 Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at March 21, 2011 03:52 PM (0IPsJ)

My opinion is you protect the pilots. That involves taking out SAM sites. That is all.

206 @196 And I've never seen that guy here before.  Not that there is anything wrong with that...

207 ""There is no point in even declaring a "No-fly" zone as though it were some measure short of war if you are just going to go to war.  War is the ultimate "no-fly" zone.""


yeah really, why hamstring yourself with rules of  a "non war", when in the end you are really going to war anyway.

208 Here is the Marple analysis of why we are where we are:

1.  The reason Libya had rebels is that when Obama shot his mouth off about Egypt,  and eventually forced Mubarak out,  why wouldn't the Libyans think that he would do the same for Gaddhafi?  Of course they did,  and went into open rebellion.

2.  France and Britain,  who DO have national interests in Libya (oil + not wanting refugees) started talking about this No Fly Zone almost immediately after Libya's air force started bombing.

3.  Obama dragged his feet,  no doubt not wanting to anger Farrakhan and Wright,  who get a lot of money from Libya.

4.  Foot-dragging has given Gaddhafi time to move money (frozen accounts only happened about a week and a half ago) and also find a place to hide (Zimbabwe, Venezuela are two possibilities).  He might already be out of the country.

5.  Obama finally signed on when it became apparent Cameron and Sarkozy were going ahead,  regardless,  and when the Arab League started asking for it. He had to join in or look like a complete coward.

6.  Foot dragging also meant that this situation would come to a head while Congress was in recess, preventing embarrassing questions from being asked.

This is not about Gaddhafi,  or democracy, or anything except not been shown up by the Europeans.   That is why there is no policy to speak of.  He cannot say we went to war for Britiain's oil supply,  nor that we are going to do nation-building and establish a democracy,  nor that we want to kill Gaddhafi.  So he mumbles around and says a bunch of nonsense.

209

Claire McKaskil forgets to pay $289,000 in taxes on her plane. Happens to everybody right?

 

Any mofo in Congress (I don't care what party they are) or in some appointed position in government should have to pay another more onerous penalty than a regular schlub who "forgot" to pay their taxes.  These asshats raise taxes on the productive workers of America at the drop of a hat, but then don't bother to pay them themselves.  They should have the choice of paying an extra penalty (because they are in the government and they should lead by example) or be boiled alive, naked in oil (although in McKaskil's choice, we don't want to see her naked).  All these fat beauracrats and our "betters" in gubamint should be held to an higher standard.  Stuff like this just really pisses me off.

210

152 @136  The Obama stickers are definitely not off the hipstermobiles in Astoria.  Then again, this is just the sort of Tikrit full of Libtard Dead-enders you would expect from a place overrun with hipster douchebags.

 

Are you talking about Astoria, OR? Great strip joints there. Ever heard of Annie's? Fun place.

211 The "demons" around him, or the "demon" in him? I mean he is 50% white right?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 21, 2011 04:11 PM (0GFWk)

One drop rule!

212 no Pawlenty thread yet, huh?

Can you here that, Mr Anderson?  That, is the sound of inevitability.

213 @208 Then you should have said that, just like that-instead of pulling out the chickenhawk card like some kind of libtard.

214 Is it OK for a Black Christian Male to kill Muslims but no OK for White Christian Male to kill muslims?  Buehler...Buehler.....Anyone...Rev. Wright....Louis Farakan....ahhh Al Sharpton ????

215 "Everytime a troll starts talking about how we should not be insulting a president. . ." Nobody can insult that shitstain, Princess Barack, more than he insults himself with every incompetent act and every idiotic utterance. Insult vectors are like humiliation vectors. They superimpose rather than sum head to tail. In other words, no harm/no foul.

216

The "demons" around him, or the "demon" in him? I mean he is 50% white right?

Rev Wright has to be at least 70% white and screwy Louie ain't far behind. The biggest radicals are the ones who question where they should be and then have to prove themselves.

217 I'm wondering if Dear Leader has had his super-secret meeting with Hugo yet.

218

Are you talking about Astoria, OR? Great strip joints there. Ever heard of Annie's? Fun place.

Posted by: Andrea Mitchell at March 21, 2011 04:11 PM (Q5+Og)

I don't know whether to laugh my ass off at that sock fail.......or vomit myself into the emergency ward.

219 @213 Astoria, NY.  Just across the river from mid-town Manhattan, and just north of the Mecca of Hipster Dochebags-Williamsburg.  We get the overflow.

220 Who the hell do you think you are?

221 Rev Wright has to be at least 70% white and screwy Louie ain't far behind. The biggest radicals are the ones who question where they should be and then have to prove themselves. Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2011 04:14 PM (PWz0o) Snickelgruber? Not Jewish I swear

222 217 Is it OK for a Black Christian Male to kill Muslims but no OK for White Christian Male to kill muslims?  Buehler...Buehler.....Anyone...Rev. Wright....Louis Farakan....ahhh Al Sharpton ????

Posted by: Harvey Korman at March 21, 2011 04:12 PM (SZy+Y)

Hang on, Bammy's Christian?  I always took him for an atheist, what with him spending twenty years listening to Rev. Wright preach hate from his bully pulpit.

223 I am Rested, relaxed, and Tan. Standing by to take over. 1...2....3.... Here we go !!!!!!!!

224

we simply can't stand by with empty words, we have to take some sort of action."

Because how else can we save our Al Q and that great Secular group, the Moslem Brotherhood, from being killed as they rebel?

As I've said before, many times, killing innocent civilians who are rebelling from their Government is a crime against humanity, and against the core values of America... think of what Abraham Lincoln would say, or do, if he was President today...

225 Does "no fly zone" mean that the only planes allowed are US and French planes?  It does make sense.

226 Hang on, Bammy's Christian?

As if.  Marx is a jealous god.

227 Remember that Rev Wrights dogma was liberation theology with black thrown in to rile up the south side. Liberation theology was created in South America by socialists. So essentially Obama's "religion" is socialism. Makes sense, doesn't it?

228 My opinion is you protect the pilots. That involves taking out SAM sites. That is all.

Posted by: Meddler at March 21, 2011 04:11 PM (Ovv0o)

Yes, this... and this is NOT an Act of War because we are killing them for humanitarian reasons, to stop them from killing the rebels, not because we want to destroy their armed forces and leave Libya defenseless.

229

@213 Astoria, NY.  Just across the river from mid-town Manhattan, and just north of the Mecca of Hipster Dochebags-Williamsburg.  We get the overflow.

 

Astoria OR is more of the unwashed, cannabis toking, patchouli doused, lice infested hippie douchebags as opposed to metro-sexual, designer cologne soaked, urban hipster douchebags.  Big difference (at least in personal hygiene).

230 "222 @213 Astoria, NY.  Just across the river from mid-town Manhattan, and just north of the Mecca of Hipster Dochebags-Williamsburg.  We get the overflow."   Proof there is a parrallel universe, Astoria, OR, is an old cannery/lumber town on the Columbia river recently discovered by California expat Hipster Douchebags. Methinks Astoria, OR, is likely more fun than NY given the number of drugged out commercial fishermen that show up in the bars.   BTW, Astoria, OR, is where they filmed the "Goonies". In its heyday it was known as the San Francisco of the Northwest. If you like rain you will love Astoria. Rains from late September till April. Everyday and all day. Bring a slicker. 

231 Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at March 21, 2011 04:12 PM (0IPsJ)

I don't think you were following at all. I suggest you read your first post which is the one I took issue with. I'm all in for protecting our pilots which you were not. Read it. Post @137. You were the one who sounded like the flamer. Not me.

232

"Astoria OR is more of the unwashed, cannabis toking, patchouli doused, lice infested hippie douchebags as opposed to metro-sexual, designer cologne soaked, urban hipster douchebags.  Big difference (at least in personal hygiene)."

 

The other big difference is the number of crazed commercial fishermen lurking about the place. Its like wild kingdom, crazed fishermen keep the hippies in line. Fun to watch. Makes me think of Honey Badgers.

233  Remember that Rev Wrights dogma was liberation theology with black thrown in to rile up the south side. Liberation theology was created in South America by socialists. So essentially Obama's "religion" is socialism. Makes sense, doesn't it?

Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2011 04:18 PM (PWz0o)

 

And many people know that now.  Thank you, Glenn Beck. 

234

  BTW, Astoria, OR, is where they filmed the "Goonies".

 

I like Astoria, OR too.  The whole OR coast is quite lovely.  Kindergarten Cop was also filmed in Astoria.

235 Not so unexpectedly after his spoke stupidly beer summit, Obama's Stupid Joint Conference follows.

236

236 Yeah, well I had researched it long before Beck because my local catholic parish was mixed up with raising money for the sandanistas.

But thank you for pointing out what everyone knows. I'm sure everyone knows you know everything.

237

"I like Astoria, OR too.  The whole OR coast is quite lovely.  Kindergarten Cop was also filmed in Astoria."

 

I liked it too. All filming has to be completed during the summer. The rest of the year is constant rain and salt fog. Lovely in its own way. Astoria is where I discovered Fat Tire beer and Annie's strip bar. I recommend both. BTW strip bars in OR are the full monte.

238 In Africa by Marxists

...Liberation theology was created in South America by socialists.

239 Ya know how I know Hollywood is ghey?

Batman's suit has nipples and Wonder Woman's doesn't.

Posted by: sifty at March 21, 2011 04:08 PM (8x2Ne)

You know how I know the blogosphere is?

They call a pair of C cups squished up "big fat tits"

 

If that is big, I weep for the standards of nerds-in-pajamas typing everywhere.

240 All boobehs are nice. Even tiny Jovovitchs. It's what they are attached to that will occasionally give you trouble.

241 Civilians can't be protected if Ghkquadaffiy remains. One can't be accomplished without the other.

242 For the record I am not in agreement with this whole operation. Saying that, I feel that it is prudent to keep pilots safe in the enforcement of the NFZ. That means removing the SAMs. If a NFZ can be maintained without loitering over the called zone then I am wrong. Just how did that plane take out Daffy's son?

My problem with this operation is how do you follow it up? We have set a precedent that cannot be maintained. What's to be done with Yemen, Syria, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia or even Iran when this same shit happens. They are gonna kill civilians too and we will never be able to keep up with it. So why do it now.

243 Is it possible this is Obama's newest campaign strategy? Get so pathetic that people vote for you out of pity? 

If he says "As I've said before .. " one more time, half of America is going to throw up on the other half's shoes.

We've had some incompetent narcissists in charge before but Obama has set such a high bar, with Choo-Choo Biden thrown in as a bonus, only Kucinich could ever hope to top it.

Am I the only one who has noticed that Obama and his Minions at the WH have now given three different reasons for bombing the crap out of Qaddafi? Or is this one of those nuance things?

244 heard on the radio:

Obama has now launched more cruise missiles that every other recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize combined.

245

The historical roots of liberation theology are to be found in the prophetic tradition of evangelists and missionaries from the earliest colonial days in Latin America -- churchmen who questioned the type of presence adopted by the church and the way indigenous peoples, blacks, mestizos, and the poor rural and urban masses were treated. The names of Bartolomé de Las Casas, Antonio de Montesinos, Antonio Vieira, Brother Caneca and others can stand for a whole host of religious personalities who have graced every century of our short history. They we the source of the type of social and ecclesial understanding that is emerging today.

http://www.landreform.org/boff2.htm

246

No breifing the public. No "selling" the war. No real justification. We're just there.

Our betters in the media are on board with it, and Michelle has never been prouder of us, so there's nothing to worry about.  Now that we have a President who does not know how to use a chainsaw, we are much safer.

247 Meddler: "My problem with this operation is how do you follow it up? [...] They are gonna kill civilians too and we will never be able to keep up with it. So why do it now."

I think you could successfully argue selective enforcement based on limited resources. You set the precedent of parameters where you may engage, not that it is a mandate that you do. It's a gray area of selective prosecution which is reasonable in an imperfect world.

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