1

Let me supply my thoughts.

Barack Obama, thank you for killing Bin Laden, no questions asked, I will always be thankful for it. Thank You!

 

However on every other one of your policies, FU.

 

I think there is a happy middle ground to be had here.

 

2 I question the timing of this posting.

3 Ah, the long awaited "deather" thread.

4 Is it just me, or is Ace beginning to lean to the left?

5 You don't like May 1. Fine. Then I'm going to need for you to go ahead and name a date where you wouldn't suspect political opportunism.

May 2nd. For sure. Or Feb 28th. Nobody likes Feb 28th.

6 The only timing that went into this was Obama fitting in SEER, BUDs, and air assault training in between rounds of golf so he could personally lead this mission.

7 Screw the timing I need that picture for my desktop

8 Ace is trying to work up enough material for a memoir, or something.  'Dreams From My Pudding'

Man, he's verbose this week.

9 We may yet wind up hearing about that -- about the CIA coming to him multiple times saying "We're pretty damn sure about this" and Obama voting present as always, saying, "Give me more evidence."

Well the NYT says he did have to sleep on it for 16 hours. WTF is up with that? The only thing that might have changed in 48 hours is OBL's location.

10 Obama dithered until he couldn't dither any longer. It's what he does.

11 Ben is right; who gives a crap what the date was?  This is not something that will propel Odumbass into a second term, despite how much the left will try to flog the hell out of it.

12 They've finally gotten to ace.

13 As a kill crazy killbot, warmongering reich winger let me say all heil our glorious assasination teams triumphant success!

14 It's hard to think of a worse day, for the politically Left, than May Day, 2011, because now that that's out of the way, everyone's going to be focused on Obama Bin Lyin's economy for 18 months. Not what he needs.

15 Add: why would Obama schedule it on the High Holy Day of Communism?

Also, this is a transient bounce.  We still have the Summer of $5 Gas ahead, and inflation (measured the old way) is still double digits.  And GDP growth is anemic.

Killing Osama is not going to fix stagflation.

16 Yeah, Ace,

Why are you becoming such a liberal all of a sudden?  Do you want to hang out? 

17 Perhaps the timing is intended to distract from the birth certificate issue?

18 >>>But only when he saw his presidency slipping away from him did he agree to take a chance and authorize the raid.

I said this yesterday.

_{by myself with no actual witnesses}

19
"cocksucker" on google also leads back to AoS

20 I don't care about the timing. I *do* suspect Obama didn't really have his heart in it, though. If he knew of OBL's location since last year and didn't do anything, think what would have happened to his re-election numbers if somebody leaked the fact closer to the election. And, of course, re-election is much more important than any qualms about killing a terrorist leader, no matter what one thinks of muslim terrorists.

Just saying.

21 It just hit me today. The bin Laden compound, with it's high walls, barbed wire, lack of phone or tv, CCTV cameras, bin Laden never seen outside.........that compound was a PRISON. Bin Laden was being held there, not concealed there.

22 Where the hell did 48 come from? 16.

23
speaking of cocksuckers...

maybe Seattle Slough can tell us if he still believes Will Folks' Tales of Ass I Never Had And Other Short Stories.

24

I question the timing of the assassination.

I think Obama killed Bin Laden on sunday when it became clear the Capitals were going to lose game two against tampa bay. He wanted to use the assassination to distract the people of the greater Metro D.C. area from the fact the Capitals were going to get knocked out of the playoffs again.

25 I noticed that this particular topic has you pretty miffed, there Ace.  I don't disagree, one bit.

I do, however, think that he wouldn't have pulled the trigger without visual evidence of his presence there were he living high on poll numbers and such.

This incident was risky and yes, I give him full credit for giving the go on it.  It was a good call that needed to be made.

I DON'T think that he had a time to choose from.  He was approached by top intelligence officials that gave it to him in a 'Now or Never' way that he needed to jump on.  I don't think he said go because his poll numbers suck right now.

26 Every decision made by this administration has a political component to it, and we have abundant evidence of that. But just because the political ramifications of an action were considered doesn't mean that the decision was flawed. It is blatantly obvious that killing UBL was the correct thing to do. The timing may have been manipulated, but so what? So they pulled the trigger on Sunday instead of Tuesday. BFD.

Ace, you suffer too many fools' ideas. Mocking them is a good thing too.

27 The only date I would question would be October 2012.

28 Here's my question:

How big/little a part did BO play in all of this?

29 Ace, wanna go to an anti-war rally, share a veggie wrap and help me henna my pit hair later? 

30

So what network is working on the mini-series to be released in October, 2012 and what will they call it?

31 IowaHawk's latest is an Instant Classic_tm

32 _{by myself with no actual witnesses}

Posted by: ontherocks at May 03, 2011 03:41 PM (HBqDo)

Probably with your pants around your ankles...but that's par for the course around here.

33 21 Hehe google "obama sucks cock"

34 He's so absurdly smart he uses a completely different variation of time in his timing.

35 And I will say it again, this will have zero impact on the election. The election is simply too far away and the public will have ceased to remember it, even as the press will try to keep it hot.

36

IQTT, for no other reason than it will piss of more libs to throw thier silly political assualts back into thier faces.

Therefore Ubama obviously planned and timed this for maximum political gain and has been keeping it under wraps, risking more american lives, for the sole purpose of exploiting political gain unto himself. Ubama-Hitler will destroy america and subjugate all if he isn't stopped!

37

@23

Col Peters said that on O'Reilly last night

38 The conspiracy theory charge simply doesn't work. If Obama really wanted to boost his poll numbers, he would help repeal ObamaCare and endorse large spending cuts. The fact that his poll numbers are still dragging because only 40-45% of Americans approve of his performance in handling the economy is telling. So he got a slight bounce out of this (1-9%) and more people see him as a decisive leader, but that's about it. At this point, 2012 is all about the economy.

39 You know who this helps?

40 >>>I don't care about the timing. I *do* suspect Obama didn't really have his heart in it, though. If he knew of OBL's location since last year and didn't do anything, think what would have happened to his re-election numbers if somebody leaked the fact closer to the election. Possible, possible. And if his delay resulted in OBL catching wind that the net was closing, and then escaping, that information would have been suppressed. But to the extent it got out, game over man. Game over. But this idea of picking this date for maximum benefit? There is once again no logic to this claim nor any evidence from it. And I'm just getting tired of people who think Just Making Stuff Up is a smart political strategy.

41 maybe Seattle Slough can tell us if he still believes Will Folks' Tales of Ass I Never Had And Other Short Stories.

Heh. That fucking asshole really bit hard on that one, didn't he.

42 16 hours before he gave the go ahead? did he need to get in a round of golf first?

43

I don't QTT.

I think it's likely that they planned the political calendar around the military calendar; not the other way around.  Politics is optics, and they are doing a good, if skeevy job, of maximizing the optics on this military operation.

Again, military preceded political; but there is def. linkage.

44
Osama Drama 2011: The Timening.

45
Hi again!

The timing was perfect for me. It was the "shot in the arm" I desperately needed. I can see clearly now that the fog has lifted from my eyes.

Republicans, Democrats, Obama, Bush, they're all the same. We're all Americans, after all.

46 Are you serious? You don't find the murderkillop taking place the day after Celebrity Apprentice airs to be the least bit suspicious? It's 4-D chess people, try to keep up.

47

20 Agree. He didn't want to do this. I thought there was something wrong with his speech the other night. He seemed less douchebaggy than usual. More aggressive, like he was daring someone not to like it--sorta how my teenagers get when I catch them doing something that they don't approve of and I do, like reading a book or newspaper, or watching the news, using the subjunctive properly or not wasting money.

 It was almost like he was angry that he had to say that he got Osama and was therefore feeling hostile. I sorta expected him to say, "And fuck you america for putting me in this position you bunch of vengence seeking, culturally backward rubes."

The delay was about him not wanting to be that guy in a flag lapel pin having used the military to kill a guy who just wants better things for islamists.

48 I realize you people hate Obama, but seriously, your're debating how long he should have waited before killing bin-Ladin? Seriously?

49 re: [rdbrewer] "Panetta Issued Kill Order?" in the sidebar. Damn, that's a big story. Are there any sources backing this up? Panetta, Clinton, Petraeus, even freaking Daley comes out looking good. Obama? Not so much...

50

Where were the joos when all this went down?

 

 

 

 

_{Ron Paul 2012!}

51 37 And I will say it again, this will have zero impact on the election. The election is simply too far away and the public will have ceased to remember it, even as the press will try to keep it hot.

Posted by: Vic at May 03, 2011 03:45 PM (M9Ie6)

I agree. Too far out, and it hasn't been an Obama issue anyway.

52 >>>How big/little a part did BO play in all of this? Pretty little. You can tell as much from his feeble attempts to make himself central to it -- his big claim to fame is that he told Leon Panetta to make OBL his number one priority. Oh? Panetta was... uncertain about that? And then his other claim is that when Intel was given to him that there was a 99.9% chance that OBL's most trusted courier was at the compound -- and a 96% chance that OBL was there, too -- he said "Yes, I think we should get those guys, then."

53

I think Obama killed Bin Laden on sunday when it became clear the Capitals were going to lose game two against tampa bay. He wanted to use the assassination to distract the people of the greater Metro D.C. area from the fact the Capitals were going to get knocked out of the playoffs again.

Posted by: Dr.Popodopolous at May 03, 2011 03:43 PM (wuv1c)

You actually think that President Golfs a lot gives a flying fuck about hockey? 

54 Ace, wanna go to an anti-war rally, share a veggie wrap and help me henna my pit hair later? 

Posted by: Lib chick with braided pubes at May 03, 2011 03:44 PM (UciSl)

Poser!

55 Posted by: JEA at May 03, 2011 03:48 PM (YNPwP)

Learn to read, you stupid fuck.

56 Name a date upon which you think the attack should have been scheduled, when it would not have been politically opportunistic.

My vote would be for Feb 30.

57

>>Probably with your pants around your ankles...but that's par for the course around here.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 03, 2011 03:45 PM (LH6ir)

Pants?

58 The problem with the whole conspiracy theories are all bogus is some of them aren't. Is there anyone on the planet who believes that Bill Clinton decided to launch a cruise missile attack on an aspirin factory on the very day Monica Lewinsky was going back to the grand jury? Even lefties don't buy it. But there has to be some level of proof, some quid pro quo, some reason for the series of events to play out as they did, at the time they did for the theory to be remotely plausible. Obama not only doesn't gain by launching this on May 1 it is arguably a bad time to do this as there are no imminent elections and any bump he gets is liable to dissipate before then.

59
Hehe google "obama sucks cock"

Your efforts to single handedly alter google have not gone unnoticed, Mr Pink.

60 That compound makes a lot more sense when u realize that it was built to keep bin Laden in instead of keeping others out.

61 IQTT is stupid but if you can use it to twist the knife in the MBM, I'm all for it. Make them explain why there is no questionable timing now when they were so sure that Saddam Hussein's capture in December was.

62
But this idea of picking this date for maximum benefit? There is once again no logic to this claim nor any evidence from it.

And I'm just getting tired of people who think Just Making Stuff Up is a smart political strategy.

Posted by: ace at May 03, 2011 03:47 PM (nj1bB)

What is so special about this date?  I know MayDay was 2 days ago. Is that what you are referring to?

63 Hehe google "obama sucks cock"

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 03, 2011 03:45 PM (B9FEs)

I don't need to google it.

64 When exactly did all of this monkey business with resignations/musical chairs begin concerning  Petraeus/Panetta/Gates from the ISAF-USFOR-A Commander/CIAD/SoD?  Was it the prior week?

IQTT!!11!!

65

Oh good God, here's what someone posted on a non-political forum I visit...

"What if the disclosure that OBL is dead was a Republican and their corporate puppet handlers plant, a ruse, a ploy, to bring to the surface those like us who do not believe the "official" report? Is the next step in this ruse to expose the administration's lie? What if Obama doesn't know this is a ruse but is believing what he is being told by his handlers? A strong presidential candidate, no matter the party, will be handled by the Corporate Puppeteers.

OBL was dead years ago but his death couldn't be disclosed because Bush/Cheney and their corporate handlers wanted to enter Iraq, additional oil fields was part of the plan as well as control of the real estate to put in pipelines to sea ports. So far that plan didn't work out as well as expected so what is to be done with the knowledge OBL is dead? Could it be used it to discredit the sitting president with more Trumped up disclosures?"

66 I realize you people hate Obama, but seriously, your're debating how long he should have waited before killing bin-Ladin? Seriously?

Posted by: JEA at May 03, 2011 03:48 PM (YNPwP)

50% of Democrats are pretty darn sure Bushitler planned 9/11.  Much less than 50% of Republicans think Obama jiggered the timing.  Seriously.

67 Socks?

68

@ 51

Anyhting and everything evil is possible under this imperial president. It isn''t hate it is just accepting reality for what it is... Not seeing this is a willful suspension of reality

69

50% of Democrats are pretty darn sure Bushitler planned 9/11.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 03, 2011 03:52 PM (1fanL)

Nontroversy!

70 i'm ok with may 1st.....you know why?  because we need to take back this day from the commies!!!!!  the Catholic Church beatifying Blessed Pope John Paul II must have upset the commies and this was just another upset at the end of their stupid may pole dance.....

71 Kinda fucked up we can't just bask in the fact OBL is not stealing our air anymore, because one side wants to jump up and down yelling "yay Obama! Fuck Bush!" like Obama came up with the plan himself and fastroped out of a chopper first, and the other side has to sit vainly on the sidelines and point to 9 years of effort that went into it. Fuck the politics of this I'm happy we KILLED Bin Ladin. If only we had raped him first. There is no sarcasm here I am fuckijng glad we killed him.

72

One of the things I hated about the liberals is whenever GWB would do anything good it was always aimed solely for political gain.

I give the devil his due; Obama didn't fuck this one up as usual.

Did he lead in the Seal team? No. He might have even done better by waiting to release the info until the intel could have been dissiminated. But still, he did good.

Will this save him? No, it helps, but it wasn't his numbers on counterterrorism that were driving him down. Expect a bounce putting him maybe as high as the 60's and then back down...

73 The fact that it was on May Day makes me half-laugh, not think of grand conspiracies. April first would've been better.

74
That compound makes a lot more sense when u realize that it was built to keep bin Laden in instead of keeping others out.

hmmmm, this is most interesting.

It makes me think we'll be hearing a theory that the Pakistani govt was secretly keeping OBL prisoner. And that we shouldn't have gone into Pakistan half-cocked and assassinated a prisoner.

75 I question why the compound was in the shape of Israel? (Just kidding.)

76 I remember the Bill Clinton thing. They had a drone up and had spotted OBL in a crowd at a funeral and had the opportunity to take him out at that time.

Clinton was on the golf course at the time and dithered around until the opportunity was gone.

What is it with Dems and the golf course? If he had acted then 9-11 would not have happened.

77 I'm the anti-Breibart...haven't read the comments.

Has anyone pointed out today's idiocy on The View, courtesy of Joyless Behar? Behold in all it's glory her quote:

We Should Offer al-Qaeda Terrorists a “Book Deal” Instead of Waterboarding Them to Get Information…

78 Can we fucking kill KSM now?

79 What is it with Dems and the golf course? If he had acted then 9-11 would not have happened.

Posted by: Vic at May 03, 2011 03:54 PM (M9Ie6)

He wasn't on the golf course, sheeple.  He was flying a cocaine-laden plane from South America to NW Arkansas.  Wake up!

80 The whole IQTT makes the assumption that you could keep track of him. There's no sure guarantee. That's why Panetta wanted to take him out. I believe Obama dithered hoping he would escape...

81
What else did I hear about the date?

um, something about May 1st being the date that the death of Hitler was announced.

And something else, but I forget.

82

Poser!

Posted by: Lib chick with dredded pubes at May 03, 2011 03:49 PM (1fanL)

 

That's it.  I challenge you to a poetry beat off!

83

Obama only killed Osama because the Quickening had begun, it always begins around the beginning of May. I think it's on the Julian calender so it jumps around every year

84

If you postulate that Obama is risk-averse and weak, then Obama may have refused to act, like Clinton did, out of fear and out of weakness.

But only when he saw his presidency slipping away from him did he agree to take a chance and authorize the raid.

When you consider President Present has gotten us into double digit inflation, skyrocketing energy costs, skyrocketing food costs, massive debt, and The Donald brow beating him to get his birth certificate, Barry had to do something, so that he'd have time to repair his image. But its too late.

85 You will have to ask Leon Panetta or Hillary Clinton why they picked this date.

86 I believe this mission was not timed for any political reason. However, the birth certificate that was released last week was timed so that in case anyone took the time to see that it was indeed a fake, then the Osama kill mission would blow that off the front page. right?

87 I don't question the timing, I question who it was that actually had the balls to order the operation and who was too busy playing golf and writing stupid shit for the WHCD.  Things that make ya go "hmmmm...."

88

So, throwing the idiots hypocrisy back in their faces and just making shit up because I hate them is bad?

What next? No pudding? Jesus, is there going to be rules here now?

89 63 That compound makes a lot more sense when u realize that it was built to keep bin Laden in instead of keeping others out.

Posted by: Unknown at May 03, 2011 03:51 PM (oeyK

You mean like the movie "The Keep"?

90 Sorry 1st 2 para's were supposed to be quoted

91 It's clear that Obama was in on the planning for 9/11 with Bushitler.  Why else would he kill Osama before Osama could tell the Truth?

92 Oh come on.

You think there's some kind of creature that runs around the blogosphere, crawling into people's ears and turning their brains to mush, eh?

You think, having feasted on Chuckles Johnson's cortex, they've scurried over and gone to work on Ace, eh?

Nah, couldn't happen.

And nobody go trying to stick his head in the microwave for five minutes just to be sure, eh?

(Please note that, in solidarity with our Canadian brethren who have now shown the sanity to give themselves a Conservative-majority government to go with sane banking laws and all that oil, I have proclaimed myself an honorary Canuck for the day, eh?)

93

I was watching Morning Jo(k)e today and they had Richard Stengel, managing editor of Time magazine on.

To give you an idea how the MFing MBM is trying to spin this for Petey, he said that taking down OBL was a police action, not a military one.

...seriously...he said that.

Howard Fineman wrote this at HuffyPuff

"By calmly and meticulously overseeing the successful targeting of Osama bin Laden, President Barack Obama just proved himself -- vividly, in almost Biblical terms -- to be an effective commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United States"

 

94 I question who it was that actually had the balls to order the operation

Posted by: Theresa D at May 03, 2011 03:57 PM (5axVp)

That picture of Hillary with her hand over her mouth like a teeny-bopper at a slasher flick.  It inspires great confidence.

95 With the leftards, there are 365 1/4 dates in a year that I suspect political opportunism. Clear enough?

96
As soon as we get more details on the compound I'm gonna make model replicas and sell them on ebay.

I'll put little a Osama figurine inside and have a bunch of Seals repelling from Helicopters.

97 Fuck the politics of this I'm happy we KILLED Bin Ladin. If only we had raped him first.

There is no sarcasm here I am fuckijng glad we killed him.

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 03, 2011 03:54 PM (B9FEs)

You know...that's not a bad idea.  Don't ask don't tell isn't a policy anymore.  We need to highly train some homo's and send to Spec Ops so they can ass pound those that we're about to assassinate.  That will give us good standing throughout the world, won't it?   

98

50% of Democrats are pretty darn sure Bushitler planned 9/11.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 03, 2011 03:52 PM (1fanL)

Which means that any of them that praise him for this are false Truthers. If Bin Laden was neither a threat nor a player in 9/11, then hasn't Obama murdered a relatively innocent man here? Or were they only Truthers because they hated Bush that much?   

99

Posted by: Lib chick with dredded pubes

 

If you go to the clinic and get that treated, then they won't be dreaded.

100

It was a good call, anytime it would have occurred, and I wouldn't question the timing at all...

however in reading through his speech again, and thinking of the possibility of failure, I do wonder how many of the "I’s" and "Me’s" would have turned into "we” and "us" if in fact the mission had been a disaster.

Regardless, got to give credit where credit is due.

 

101

78 I question why the compound was in the shape of Israel?

Now you know why I attacked it. You should have seen my face when I found out that instead of offing some uppity Joos, I accidentally killed Brother Bin Laden!

102 Regardless, got to give credit where credit is due. Posted by: Kotter at May 03, 2011 04:01 PM (hocCa) Oh yeah- I guess you have not applied for any loans recently

103 Ace, what about this?

http://tinyurl.com/4389mzq

104

I don't question the timing and I'm happy as hell he's DEAD!

The MFing MBM is hilariously treating President Petey like the retard he is by praising the fact that he kept the op a secret.

Petey is awesome because he kept his fucking pie hole shut when he was supposed to.

105 Assassinating the Queen of England today would not do much to benefit the American Revolution. Her martyrdom, on the other hand... If the America govt has done its job, Bin Laden would have had less power than the Queen of England at this point. As such, it would have been better for him to die of natural causes in his bed in a pool of his own fecal matter a few years from now (how many more could he have had) than to give him a martyr's (hero's) death. If the govt had to have him dead, they should have poisoned him subtly, given him some viagra, placed him "in" a goat and left him and the goat somewhere on the outskirts of Islamisbad. Obama has made Osama immortal, and we may yet reap the whirlwind.

106
You know...that's not a bad idea.  Don't ask don't tell isn't a policy anymore.  We need to highly train some homo's and send to Spec Ops so they can ass pound those that we're about to assassinate.  That will give us good standing throughout the world, won't it?   

Posted by: © Sponge at May 03, 2011 04:01 PM (UK9cE)

Finally a good argument for losing DADT

107 Ya know in the summer heat over in Pakistan, I bet Bin Stinkin was sure smelling sweet by the time they got him to the Carl Vinson.

108

The MFing MBM is hilariously treating President Petey like the retard he is by praising the fact that he kept the op a secret.

Petey is awesome because he kept his fucking pie hole shut when he was supposed to.

 

This.

109 Name a date upon which you think the attack should have been scheduled, when it would not have been politically opportunistic.



The 13th day of the 13th month of the 13th year. You know, something to warm us during that blustery Smarch weather.

110

If that Panetta post is to be believed.... really amazing and confirms almost everything we believe. 

Which makes me question Panetta's timing.

111

Taking bets on how long it takes after pictures are released before someone on the Internet cries "Fake!  I have a PhD in Photoshop and it's fake!  Look at that pixel over there!".

I'm guessing .2 milliseconds.

 

112

This was perfect timing. If he did it any later there would be no time to make the movie and get it out by next August.

How that for a conspiracy?

113 I'm happy Obama did this. It helps him politically because it seriously undermines one of the our most damning charges ... that he is an anti-American traitor.

Just to be clear, I still think he's an anti-American traitor. At least as America has existed for the last 200+ years. Obama hates the limited government, individual liberty, white Christian roots of the country. He wants to destroy those roots. He wants to "transform" America into a statist, leftist, communitarian, majority non-white, majority non-Christian country.

Obama is like a dude defending his wife's "honor" -- while still demanding she get plastic surgery, change jobs, change religions, move to another state, and break off all contact with her old friends and family. She's starting to wonder if he really loves her, or what he thinks he can transform her into. ... but then he goes and punches out some lout who insults her at a bar and she swoons -- oh, he really does lover me, he defended my honor.

114 I'm not so excited about the killing of Bin Laden. The Fort Hood Massacre is why.

Bin Laden represents the first phase of the war we are currently in, and a phase that we've won handily. Massive terrorist attacks cannot shake our will and our troops cannot be defeated in even the most gory hand to hand combat. We won.

The next phase is very different and much harder to fight against and win. This is the gradual infiltration of muslims into Infidel lands and the manipulation of our policies as they form Sharia-dominant enclaves and excercise increasing political influence. This is proceeding apace as we have resigned ourselves to the steady chain migration which not one figure of any stature on the Right has addressed.

The Neocon mantra has been: We're killing them over there, so they don't kill us over here.

But they're here. We've been bringing them- importing Jihad. Since 2007, more muslims have immigrated legally to the US than have lived here in the entire history of the Republic.  And as their numbers have increased so has the willingness of our leaders to bend to their will.

115 I am NO fan of this president but I will give credit where credit is due. He had options on the table and he chose the one he though best. Most of us agree, it was the best choice. The mission was accomplished. I also know that had GWB (whom I loved as president) not set up the black sites and Gitmo, the current president could not receive the credit he is due.

116

Posted by: Lib chick with dredded pubes

 

If you go to the clinic and get that treated, then they won't be dreaded.

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 03, 2011 04:01 PM (Gzv/o)

The lice keep the crabs away.

117

"Panetta Issued Kill Order?" in the sidebar.

Damn, that's a big story. Are there any sources backing this up? Panetta, Clinton, Petraeus, even freaking Daley comes out looking good. Obama? Not so much...

Not sure I buy this. Leon Panetta, a 30 year veteran of political hackery, suddenly becomes Burt Lancaster in 7 Days in May? Maybe, and I'm impressed with Panetta's stones if he did, but I can't imagine any President allowing himself to be muscled out of a decision like that.

118 This whole operation stinks to high heaven. If Obama was so set to take out Osama why did he use Seal Team 6 and not Seal Team 1, the #1 rated seal team in America? Huh? And if there were no politics involved, why are the dems trying to politicize it? Something's wrong here.

119 If the America govt has done its job, Bin Laden would have had less power than the Queen of England at this point. As such, it would have been better for him to die of natural causes in his bed in a pool of his own fecal matter a few years from now (how many more could he have had) than to give him a martyr's (hero's) death. If the govt had to have him dead, they should have poisoned him subtly, given him some viagra, placed him "in" a goat and left him and the goat somewhere on the outskirts of Islamisbad.

Obama has made Osama immortal, and we may yet reap the whirlwind.

Posted by: Ten at May 03, 2011 04:03 PM (7qeEe)

This.....Really...?

120 IQTT the timing of Ace's menstrual cycle.

121 Anyone worried about Obama's Osama bump this week needs to realize that will only last until everyone's current supply of groceries runs out and one (maybe two) tanks of gas.  Because THAT is what put his numbers where they were, and that hasn't changed.

122

This was perfect timing. If he did it any later there would be no time to make the movie and get it out by next August.

How that for a conspiracy?

Posted by: robtr

 

And people here are always talking about popcorn. It all fits! Or am I merely having one?

123 I blame Bush for how long it took Obama to pull the trigger. Obama does not like being compared to Bush. Bush is strong and decisive.

124 If you are going to question the timing of anything, QTT of the birth certificate release. If Obama knew the OBL capture was going down, then releasing the birth certificate right before helps him to land a nice one-two PR punch in quick succession. One day he is exasperated with the birthers, then the next day he looks decisive and effective bagging OBL. Both make him look more like one of the adults, and help him butch up a bit.

125 Taking bets on how long it takes after pictures are released before someone on the Internet cries "Fake! I have a PhD in Photoshop and it's fake! Look at that pixel over there!". I'm guessing .2 milliseconds. Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 03, 2011 04:05 PM (SY2Kh) Well considering how long it is taking them to release anything, they are only making it worse

126 I just want to make sure Obama gets the credit he deserves.  He deserves credit for not calling off the mission in the name of Muslim outreach.  But mostly, and this is big for Obama, he deserves credit for authorizing a mission that could have turned into a political liability.

But that's really all that Obama himself did: refrain from discontinuing the hunt, and authorizing the mission.

127 123 This whole operation stinks to high heaven. If Obama was so set to take out Osama why did he use Seal Team 6 and not Seal Team 1, the #1 rated seal team in America? Huh? And if there were no politics involved, why are the dems trying to politicize it? Something's wrong here.

The real name of the team is not just 6, it's 666.  Thought you'd want to know.

128 Apparently they're holding auditions for useful idiots.. Ace, couldn't you have resisted?

129 Good stuff today. OK I'll admit that IQTT --of the 11:30 on announcement after they said it would be at 10:30. And yes I know Oblabla is always late to those things but still I QTT

130 29 The only date I would question would be October 2012. Posted by: Vic at May 03, 2011 03:44 PM (M9Ie6) ^^^^^^ This. Folks, let's give credit where credit is due: Bambi did the right thing and did it at a time that was not advantageous to him politically. If we're going to play political football on this issue -- and the lefties have already started -- "I question the timing!" is not the response to this incident; "Thank God he continued President Bush's policies!" is.

131 I figured Obama bagged bin Laden simply to divert attention away from his inability to get Gaddfi.

Layers bitches!

132 The timing makes me fairly certain that it WASN'T some sort of staged, political thing. If it was, it would've happened in September or October of 2012. But we're a year and a half from the election. By that time, bin Ladin will be a fading memory. Especially if gas/grocery prices, home values and the unemployment rate are anywhere near what they are now. Hmmm . . . maybe Obama intended it to be a political boost, since he failed so badly at it.

133

@13: "This is not something that will propel Odumbass into a second term, despite how much the left will try to flog the hell out of it."

It might help Obama personally; it just won't help the democrats generally.  If there was reason to do it further from the elections rather than closer, that would be it.  It makes Obama look tough and decisive. It makes the Congressional Dems look ineffective at best, soft at worst. 

134 134 Apparently they're holding auditions for useful idiots.. Ace, couldn't you have resisted? Posted by: Reid at May 03, 2011 04:09 PM (yo7P7) You're not paying attention.

135 Exactly.  If this was a political move, it would have been an "October surprise," not something a year and a half away from the election.

A commenter on my blog doesn't believe any of it.  The raid, the killing, nothing.  Wow.

136 I don't question the timing of Bin Laden's death so much as the timing of the announcement... right in the middle of The Apprentice?  And it comes just after he finally released his long form birth certificate after fighting it for three years?  That part of it is kinda odd.

137 Layers bitches!

Posted by: DrewM

 

Good fashion advice.

138 Ace is never going to get into kathleen's tinfoil panties if he keeps this up.

139

Ace, I just posted this in the last thread, but since it sums up my personal take on the matter, I'll just repost here.

I would say questioning the timing of Obama's decision to give the go-ahead isn't conspiracy theorizing; it's distrust.  You can hardly say that Obama's earned our trust.  Everything he does is archly political when he bothers to step out of his self-absorbed fantasy land and realizes that people are unhappy with him.

Conspiracy theorizing would be saying that he specifically tracked down Osama, then deliberately held off until gas prices had almost reached $4/gallon on average around the country.  Then, to distract everyone, he ordered the killshot.  ETA: This way no one would be paying attention to his socialist machinations of the gas industry.

That theory?  Preposterous.

Believing that Obama could see that killing bin Laden would serve the dual purpose of A) killing Osama, and B) boosting Obama's poll numbers?  Not preposterous at all. 

Please understand, I don't think that's WHY he did it.  But outright denying that Obama wasn't aware of or at all influenced by a potential "bounce" from OBL's death sounds like naivete in the polar opposite direction from the conspiracy theorists.  I don't quite understand where that polarization is coming from.

I suppose I shall be mocked now.  Ah well. 

140 When did we first have credible evidence that Obama was in this compound? My date for an attack would be that date.

141 Anybody else timing out?  I think the hamsters need feeding.

142 It is pretty clear that the only timetable it could have been done on was the military timetable. Had Obama tried to shift it to make maximum political hay, things would likely have screwed up badly.

Of course, it did have the benefit of getting the fake BC out of the headlines.

I wonder what the next surprise will be? Maybe we will invade the KSA to keep oil prices down, but then, with that cache of info that was in all those drives, perhaps a more subtle way will be found to apply leverage to the Saudis.

143 ...i am upset that it interupted my celebrity apprentice viewing....but not to worry, i was able to find the episode on cox primetime demand...........so all is well....and i don't doubt that the president is small and vindictive enough to ruin my night...also.....i think he delayed his announcement to have a flash mob in front of the white house....who goes into dc that late at night on a sunday? 

144 123 ...And if there were no politics involved, why are the dems trying to politicize it? Something's wrong here.

The libs politicize everything because they know they can and get away with it. So politics play a role in this, but it's also a matter of pride. How would it feel to be a Clintonista who let bin Laden go a second time? I'm sure some in the intelligence community would have absolutely trashed these people in their tell-all memoirs. So legacy is definitely part of it.

145 ehh, too complicated for me. I happily take the timing at face value. Anyway, it'll mostly be forgotten by election time. Bush I wasn't helped much by the Gulf War.

146

147 Posted by: MWR at May 03, 2011 04:13 PM (4df7R)

I don't QTT because I think Obama did it at this exact time for political gain. It will not provide him any political advantage to do so.

IQTT because I am operating under Fair Game rules. I fight by the Leftist Playbook, not the Playbook they demand I play by. I want to destroy Liberalism utterly, totally. I want to hear the wailing of their Women, the plaintive cries of their girly men, the weeping of their Children. I want America to think "What the fuck were we thinking even entertaining these ideas!?". And I will achieve that goal through the most dishonorable, underhanded and dirty means my devious perverted prevert mind can devise.

148 IQTT only because it took longer to send in a SEAL Team instead of just dropping a big fucking nuk on Pockeyston.

149 Exactly.  If this was a political move, it would have been an "October surprise," not something a year and a half away from the election.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp

 

This presumes that only one target date matters; the general election itself. it presumes that politicians don't focus on any other dates. If that was the case, then why are Dem Senators announcing their retirements over a year in advance? Why not wait until October 2012? Perhaps it's because other dates DO matter. Time is need to find other candidates, to see who in the opposition might emerge, prepare staffs, campaigns and above all, funding.

But we repeatedly hear people talking as if one and only one milestone, and one electorate exists. The general population in the general election of 2012.

 

Ask anyone who lost their primary last year if this October surprise bit is the be all and end all of politics.

150 I agree with Holger.

151 I mean, IQTT because the birth certificate is obviously fake? But even if Obama was born in a foreign country, lied his way through the US political body, and admitted it on live TV, noone in Congress has the guts to do anything about it. So, so what?

152

Shouldn't this be part of a larger post, ace? This is about larger issues like the distrust we have of both political parties. Both political parties have shown themselves to be more committed to establishment, insider narratives and values than any principles. At the same time, they campaign on completely different principles.

If there are too many people indiscriminately lying and looking for conspiracies, it is because our political leaders have given us way too much source material in the last couple decades.

153 Oops, was trying to be funny about the blank post, i fail.

154 I don't question the timing, but I am amused by all the hard core New York City liberals I know gleefully dancing on Osama's grave.  Yeah, "give peace a chance" is all well and good until it's your city getting its population murdered and landmark buildings destroyed.
I used to get mad at liberals but now I just laugh at them, a lot.

155 This will help with Obama's reelection if he runs against me again.

156
Conspiracist's wife: Honey, I'm pregnant!
Conspiracist: I question the timing!

Conspiracist's wife: Cap'n Oblivious, I'm moving out.
Conspiracist: I question the timing!

Conspiracist's wife: Knucklehead, I've started divorce proceedings.
Conspiracist: I question the timing!

Conspiracist's wife: See you in court, asshole.
Conspiracist: I question the timing!

Conspiracist's wife: I hung out in the previous thread a little too long.
Conspiracist: I question the timing!

157 This is why I don't give Obama too much credit for this operation. Sure, its good on him, and he didn't like do something stupid, but what president would NOT have attacked Bin Laden, given the chance? (Maybe if India/Pakistan were close to war, then I would let Bin Laden live for a while...) And using bombs or troops? Its sounds daring of Obama, but when you think about it, bombs are not a good option for such a super high value target that's been eluding you for 10 years.

158

The libs politicize everything because they know they can and get away with it.

All the more reason why we should treat the conspiracy theorists with love and TLC.  *motherly nod*  It's not paranoia if everyone really is out to get you, and it's not wishcasting to think Obama would use this op for political gain when the left uses absolutely everything for political gain.

(The only good thing about playing Devil's advocate is that I have an inside line to the demons down below, and happen to know that Osama is really not enjoying that barbed cock).

159 Questioning the timing is pointless, it's much more productive and effective  just to point out that everything the left protested against when Bush was prez they now embrace when Obama is prez. Repeat that over and over until it;s seared into peoples brains.

160

I think it's a good rule of thumb to doubt everything that comes from the Left and everything that it and "Il Dufe" says. If you promote a politico-economic philosophy based on legalized looting, and whose motto down through the decades has been, "No truth but revolutionary truth," why would I believe anything that crowd says or take anything that proceeds from it at face value?

Or as the bumper-sticker says, "If you want to disarm me, why would I trust you?

161

Ace: If you postulate that Obama is risk-averse and weak, then Obama may have refused to act, like Clinton did, out of fear and out of weakness.

But only when he saw his presidency slipping away from him did he agree to take a chance and authorize the raid.

Buzzion: Check the Link on the sidebar about Panetta issuing the kill order.  It makes it sound like Obama really was a hinderance to all of this because of his relying so much on Jarrett.

What Ace suggests is what I thought.  That article about Panetta sounds pretty plausible, but it's too good to check.  Unnamed White House insider source?  Pretty weak.  I think it will all be revealed in Hillary's memoir after she leaves office.

162 Timers!!!

163

Posted by: Holger at May 03, 2011 04:17 PM (YxGud)

+1

164 uh oh, the Daily Telegraph is full of conspiracy theorists too! KRAYZEE! http://tinyurl.com/3gfhedc "Last night, however, a well-placed source with strong links to Pakistan's security establishment put to me an alternative analysis. He said that bin Laden had been lured away from his mountain hideout with a promise of total security – only to be betrayed. This is a very different kind of story, because it suggests that the ISI and the Pakistani army may have played a significant part in the operation which brought about bin Laden's death." .... It suggests that the country's security apparatus is working far more closely with America than anyone has so far understood and that Pakistan's government may even have struck a new grand bargain with the US."

165

But it's still cool to blame Halliburton, right?

 

166 Yes my timing was poor when I dated that woman but dang it was all worth it. And thats all we did, we dated and smoked some weed Cuban cigars.

167 170 Timers!!!

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 03, 2011 04:21 PM (xMT+4)

Dude! Been waiting to run across you. Did you ever check on that Note from Lincoln to Ft. Sumter?

168 I think it will all be revealed in Hillary's memoir after she leaves office.

Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden

 

At which time we will learn that the new, new reset button was the 'kill' switch.

169

The announcement that Osama was killed didn't come until very late on May 1st; the intent was for this to have maximum news impact on May 2nd.

Know what else happened on May 2nd, 1933?  The first reported sighting of the Loch Ness Monster.

Both are called "monsters".

Both have proven to be very elusive.

Both have been hunted for years.

I QUESTION THE TIMING.

 

170 154 Bingo.  But not because they can.  They do it because they're retarded.  Nobody buys their fake displays of anything.  They'll push this theme for a little while and then it'll peter out as the Indonesian Imbecile does some more retarded and/or treasonous things.

I will be surprised if he doesn't overplay his hand when he visits Ground Zero. He was fairly gracious with congressional leaders and the Cabinet last night, but he can't help himself. That LA Times piece yesterday about how his counterterrorism adviser spent so little time thanking the troops is really telling. So is this quote from the article I linked above:

“In your day jobs, do not let Republicans turn this into continuing the Bush legacy. This has to be about Obama’s decisive leadership,” the guidance said. “He is the one who oversaw bringing bin Laden to justice, much like how Bush failed to do so at Tora Bora and then claimed Osama wasn’t a priority.”

It's all about them; always has been and always will be.

171 101 Fuck the politics of this I'm happy we KILLED Bin Ladin. If only we had raped him first. There is no sarcasm here I am fuckijng glad we killed him. Posted by: Mr Pink at May 03, 2011 03:54 PM (B9FEs) The hell pigs in the Taiwanese cartoon have that covered. Obama has made Osama immortal, and we may yet reap the whirlwind. Posted by: Ten at May 03, 2011 04:03 PM (7qeEe) [Facepalm] Yes. Sure. Let's let every terrorist leader survive -- because otherwise, reap the whirlwind, dude! Reap the whirlwind!

172
Obama was in the compound, and his participation will become legendary in the movie to be released.  He rode in on the Blackhawk disguised as smegma under the foreskin of the SEAL Team Leader, but the movie will portray him as an enlightened CiC concerned with the safety and welfare of the raiders, and present to direct the difficult part of the operation.

173 The only thing I really wonder about is that it seemed pretty certain for the last few years that bin Laden was already dead.   Why not announce it then?  Well, if it had happened during Bush's term, the Muslim would have gone apocalyptic...and the Media and the Dems and the Left would have been right alongside them.  Now, under a lefty Dem administration, where can the Media and the Dems and the Left go?  They MUST support Obama. 

However, I don't really wonder about this to any great degree.  I'm just glad we got the bastard, and yeah, I give Obama credit for having the courage to act this one time.

174 How dare you question the timing of Pres**ent Obama

175 Ace is trying to work up enough material for a memoir, or something.  'Dreams From My Pudding'
Ace didn't write it! S.E. Cupp did!

176 I want to re-phrase my meaning...I give Obama FULL CREDIT, but that's not as much credit as the press is heaping on him. This isn't like he dropped the A-Bomb on Hiroshima or something. I mean, what's the downside to sending in troops? A lot less than accidentally bombing a reclusive Pakistani family or something, which would have been a large risk with bombs away.

177 I question the timing of questioning the timing.

That is, does questioning the timing of the UBL OP really represent a counter-OP in the sense that it is timed to deflate the political benefit of any deliberately timed initial OP? So this current OP, which is timed to deflate the political benefits of the original op, is really the one that's opportunistically timed?

As an aside, my sincere welcome to the mayor and council of Kookville to the blog. 

178 regular people seem to be going batshit crazy over this OBL thing.  A lot of people are asking lots of questions like in front of macys on a bus line, stuff like that, regular folks.  It's like suddenly the whole country has gone into "critical thinking and reading mode"

179

@92: "You mean like the movie "The Keep"? "

Great book - horrific movie.

180 who goes into dc that late at night on a sunday?

When the junk bird sings and honey white is the only thing that can make it better there is no day of the week.

181 I don't know this site, so I can't speak to its overall reputation; but somehow <a href="http://tinyurl.com/3pf3z2o" target=_blank>this interview</a> reinforces my previously-held beliefs about how things ACTUALLY went down.

Therefore, playing by Leftist rules: it is obviously and unimpeachably true even if proven later not to be!

182 I have to admit that Panetta piece fits a little more closely with what we've tended to expect from Obama.

Panetta's crew might be looking to pump him up a little as he moves over to DoD; we'll see what that means for his relationship with the White House if this piece proves to have come from someone close to Panetta and gets enough coverage to irritate the useless but well-embedded Ms Jarrett.

Hopefully we'll see more leakage.

183 And I will achieve that goal through the most dishonorable, underhanded and dirty means my devious perverted prevert mind can devise.

Posted by: Holger at May 03, 2011 04:17 PM (YxGud)

Oo-rah!

I'm not very good at being underhanded, sneaky, devious and cruel, so I settle for blinking at screaming lefties and saying, "Really?  That's your argument?"  It's kind of like when you've got a screaming baby on your hands who won't stop screaming, so you inflate a baloon and let it go so that it spins all over the room and distracts the baby so they forget to cry anymore.  They get all confused and sputter to a stop.

The only difference is babies will grow up someday.  Lefties never will.  *sigh*

184 Hopefully we'll see more leakage.

Posted by: JEM

 

Ewwwwww. Speak for yourself.

185

Great book - horrific movie.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 03, 2011 04:24 PM (xy9wk)

I read the book. I agree, it was great! The book had pictures of the movie in it. It looked pretty cool, but I never saw the movie. Was it really that bad?

186 We've been saying for months that NOTHING Obama does is not calculated.  So, now that some question the timing of something that he did that was actually good, when he's really done nothing good up to this point, why get your panties in a wad about it.

Is it a smart thing to do?  Not really, but we're all morons getting all our daily info from a blog for goodness sakes.

I've even heard that it was a collaboration between Obama and his bro Osama to help shield the actual operation of US Islamification or some such.  There's dumbasses on all sides.  Granting them credibility is really not worth the time and space.

I question everything Obama does, including questioning if he actually gave the go when asked or if he had to think on it for hours.  I believe it took a LOT of convincing to get him to say yes.

187 Has anyone actually seen OBL's Pakistani death certificate?

188 ......how did he explain this to his daughters? 

189 Hopefully we'll see more leakage

 Count on it, no Bet on it

190 I think some of the IQTTers and some of the post-BC release birthers and most if not all of the wierd racist-type comments on here lately are Mobys. The number of Mobys here and on blogs in general have gone up a lot in the last few months in my estimate. Anybody else see this?

191 #184 are you serious? Actually I suspect that's exactly how Obama thinks.

192 >>> Posted by Ace at 03:35 PM New Comments Thingy

Posted at 3:55 PM?????

I question the timing.

193 Screw the timing I need that picture for my desktop

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 03, 2011 03:38 PM (i6RpT)

 

'Zactly!  Show us the pictures.  I want to see the brains of that "satan's minion" splayed all over a dirty sheet.  

194
Did Obama sign a Death Warrant for Bin Laden, or did he just wing it like a wuss to prevent a paper trail?

195 ......how did he explain this to his daughters? 

Posted by: phoenixgirl

 

Yes, dear; I plugged the A-hole. Or, brave people who did something I would never think of doing did. But I'm taking credit.

196 I have to give credit to the Us Military and the CIA but not that  hermaphrodite Obama. He neither has labia or balls. He reproduces by spores because he is not human or human like............

197

It's like suddenly the whole country has gone into "critical thinking and reading mode"

It's the lack of critical thinking abilities that lead people down the path of nutty conspiracy theories, not the use of such.

198 I don't care the motivation at this point.

199
that's not the same as The Castle Keep with Burt Lancaster, is it?

200 I question everything Obama does, including questioning if he actually gave the go when asked or if he had to think on it for hours.

Hell, I question whether he dresses himself in the morning.

It's hard to give the Presitard credit when he actually does the right thing because, well, he does it so seldom we expect the worst...

201

The day AFTER the November 2010 elections would have been about as non-politically timed as you could get. It seems to me like Obama was responding to all of the recent pressure from Trump, which makes me lmao that Trump has gotten under his skin. Not that that's hard - Obama's skin is paper-thin.

It is odd that he (they) waited from August 2010 when they learned where OBL was until now to get the job done. And coincidentally it didn't conflict with coverage of the royal wedding. ah, conspiracy theories...

202 Hopefully we'll see more leakage.

Posted by: JEM at May 03, 2011 04:25 PM (o+SC1)

 

Honey, you don't even want to know...

203

The leftwingers are starting to tie themselves in knots over whether this was legal or not. The whitehouse admitting that Bin Laden was unarmed isn't helping them much either.

They will end of fucking this up and turning it into a negative before it's all over and that would truly be historic and unprecidented.

204 I heard that they had to call Fuckstain on the Golf Course to get him to show up. But, appearently he was not needed. So what is his purpose in nature ???

205 I do question the timing on the press conference.. I think he tried to interrupt Trump's show. He is that petty.

206

 I think some of the IQTTers and some of the post-BC release birthers and most if not all of the wierd racist-type comments on here lately are Mobys. The number of Mobys here and on blogs in general have gone up a lot in the last few months in my estimate. Anybody else see this?

Maybe, but to paraphrase South Park, 25% of the population is simply retarded.

 

207 Did Obama sign a Death Warrant for Bin Laden, or did he just wing it like a wuss to prevent a paper trail? Posted by: Fish the Impaler at May 03, 2011 04:30 PM (ndqJC) Well Bin Laden signed his own death warrant when he decided to kill Americans

208

Posted by: 1977 Monte Carlo Radiator

 

I question your timing.

209 All the more reason why we should treat the conspiracy theorists with love and TLC.  *motherly nod*  It's not paranoia if everyone really is out to get you, and it's not wishcasting to think Obama would use this op for political gain when the left uses absolutely everything for political gain.<<< Sshhhhh... It's okay, MWR. You're in a safe place. Just relax. Let's get you out of that itchy, itchy shirt and just talk about this like friends.

210

It's the lack of critical thinking abilities that lead people down the path of nutty conspiracy theories, not the use of such.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 03, 2011 04:30 PM (SY2Kh)

I agree. I WISH people would stop asserting some damn conspiracy or the other! You for example. You kept SAYING there was a conspiracy theory when I kept trying to get it through people's head that there was NOT.  

No matter what I did, people like you kept pushing the "Conspiracy Theory" onto me.

211

I don't question the timing, though I wouldn't be surprised if Obama delayed and had to be dragged kicking and screaming to a decision just because of his nature. But I do want to point out that most of the anti-IQTT argumentation so far has the logical flaw of assuming the success of the mission which was not known at the time of the decision. If Obama is a risk averse decision maker and operating under the assumption that he has more to lose from a failed mission than he has to gain from a successful mission, then he could have:

1) decided to delay the mission from before the '10 elections to afterward but long enough before the '12 elections to provide time to recover from any possible mission failure, or

2) jumped the gun and gone now with sketchy intelligence rather than wait until later with better intel but uncomfortably close to the '12 election.

Again, I don't believe any of that. Mainly because there's no evidence for either and by all reports #2 is certainly false. But I just want to say that those arguing that the "fact" that October '12 would have been better timing is proof that that timing was not politically motivated are making an assumption that isn't warranted. The IQTT brigade is wrong because there is no evidence to support their position.

212

Zombie OBL.

Crawls out from under a thousand feet of collapsed Tora Bora mountainside where he was last seen alive 12/01.

Zombie OBL successfully evades photos and videos the next ten years while his second-in-command, Zawahiri, becomes a Youtube star.

Why zombie OBL couldn't cheer up his 2 billion followers with a shout-out this way makes one wonder. After all, Zawahiri could and, he's still standing!

Now Zombie OBL finally re-appears to be face shot (the only sure-fire way to kill a zombie) and buried at sea.

I applaud my democrat friends and Ace on the final execution of Zombie OBL!

Maybe Ace can get interested in the odd circumstances of the OBL story if it's played to him via the zombie angle.

Vim Toot! 

213 Whoa. Tinfoil pushup bra. That's HOT.

214 I question the timing.

215 Okay, I lied. I question the timing. But then again I always question the timing. Except for when women want to have sex. Then my brain ceases to function and I can't form questions.

216

Relase the photo already.

217 I am tired of you jackels making fun of Presadent Obama. Bush didn't get him, so does that make him a joke. I think so............

218

DL, yes.

It does not exist in any known reference material. The idea of one such "letter" is kind of ridiculous on it's face when you think about it. I think we covered some good sources on that first Book Thread. Your friend heard a story, superimposed a simpler version that fit his desires (Lincoln being extra-clever), and then amplified and repeated it.

219 209
that's not the same as The Castle Keep with Burt Lancaster, is it?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 03, 2011 04:31 PM (uFokq)

No. It's about this Very Powerful Vampire whom they built "The Keep" to contain. It was designed to keep him IN, not to keep others out.

Great book. Didn't see the movie.

220 I don't QTT.  According to Pamela Geller (Atlas Shrugs)  Obama was against the raid and killing, also according to the Insider, so Obama can't be accused of it.  He is trying to take advantage of the situation, but even that will backfire on him.  After all, if he is so powerful that he can kill Osama, why are gas prices and food prices so high? 

221 I don't think Obama wanted to do it but he did it anyway, for whatever reason. Maybe he wanted to help his poll numbers, perhaps he realized he had a chance to secure his place in history, a whole host of options. But it was done regardless, and I'm glad of that. Doesn't mean I'll forget his disrespect towards the military, his military blunders, or his Administration's sympathy toward Islamists, but he or someone else in the Administration made the right call. 

222 Here's my date: when they knew he was there. As soon as you could get a team in there, that's when you do it. If it was even one day before May 1, then yes, these people in this administration don't get any benefit of the doubt.

223

When exactly did all of this monkey business with resignations/musical chairs begin concerning  Petraeus/Panetta/Gates from the ISAF-USFOR-A Commander/CIAD/SoD?  Was it the prior week?

And yet, that would make the sidebar story much more plausible - it was Panetta/Petraeus/Gates' last chance to "take the shot" so to speak.

And surely I'm not the ONLY person who questions the stories about Sir Shanksalot being "pulled off of the golf course" after 9 holes and/or remaining calm as a cucumber during the WHCD.  The reason he was playing golf/dissing Trump was because he DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE this was going down on Sunday....

Yeah, it's a conspiracy theory, but the details in the sidebar story are just a little too realistic, if you ask me.....

224

Posted by: 1977 Monte Carlo Radiator

 

I question your timing.

Posted by: Mr. Goodwrench

  My timing's been off ever since Sears gave me a tune up way back in 82' but all my vin numbers match so I got that goin for me. And my T top is still good.

225

Relase the photo already.

Posted by: Ben

 

They can't. The camera was on a timer, and no one questioned the settings, so they missed the shot....What?

226 209 that's not the same as The Castle Keep with Burt Lancaster, is it? Posted by: Soothsayer at May 03, 2011 04:31 PM (uFokq) Nope. Two different movies. Actually Castle Keep wasn't bad if you ignored the soundtrack.

227 Maybe it's not Zombie OBL but Ghost OBL with Obama playing the role of Oda Mae and helping Ghost OBL obtain closure and walk into the light.

228

It does not exist in any known reference material. The idea of one such "letter" is kind of ridiculous on it's face when you think about it. I think we covered some good sources on that first Book Thread. Your friend heard a story, superimposed a simpler version that fit his desires (Lincoln being extra-clever), and then amplified and repeated it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 03, 2011 04:37 PM (xMT+4)

Well he's moved to North Carolina. I expect i'll hear from him eventually. When I do, i'll ask him for his source on what he said. Thanks for looking. For now I'll call it for your position.

229 Whoa. Tinfoil pushup bra.

That's HOT.

Can't be comfortable at all...

230 Ooops - that first part should be italicized - it's from comment #67....

231

It is hard to try to make decisions about stories that:

(1) May be spurious or rely on weak/no evidence yet hurt the opposition party

(2) May be spurious or rely on weak/no evidence and hurt the people/party who mentions them

The mainstream consensus is that 'birthers' are 2. I thought Trump's campaigning was 2, while most people here thought it was 1.

It is really hard to know how stories play out at large because they have to be reflected through the MSM and the general ignorance of the American public.

232 Whoa. Tinfoil pushup bra.

That's HOT.

Can't be comfortable at all...

Posted by: AoSHQ's worst commenter, DarkLord©

 

It does keep the popovers fresh though.

233

It's like suddenly the whole country has gone into "critical thinking and reading mode"

It's the lack of critical thinking abilities that lead people down the path of nutty conspiracy theories, not the use of such.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 03, 2011 04:30 PM (SY2Kh)

I honestly don't think it's either.  Like I said before, I think it all stems from distrust.  We've all been programmed at this point to be suspicious of our politicians because they're all crooks, cheats and scoundrels; "Throw the bums out!" 

So when one does something that seems like a good thing done for the sole purpose of being the right thing to do, the motivations for that decision are immediately called into question.   These questions immediately spur the apologists into overdrive, which makes the questions even louder.  "Well if there wasn't anything to be gained from it, why is everyone on HIS side of the aisle saying there wasn't anything to be gained?  Filthy liars, trying to seem all saintly and beyond reproach.  He's just another smug, greedy, pompous politician.  Toss him out on his ass!"  Most of the questions are legitimate, with equally legitimate answers.  Some of the questions are ridiculous and spin off into wild fantasy and conspiracy theories, and those adherents can't be reckoned with.  You just have to let them go. 

One of the basic rights that we practice in the US is the right to question our elected officials.  Thanks to a lot of broken promises and false assurances over the years, those questions have become sharper and more common.  The advent of the internet and other instant media means that people have immediate access to information as it becomes available, and sometimes that information is contradictory.  That leads to even MORE questions and even MORE confusion and distrust.  It's an unfortunate side effect of the digital age.  People are more informed, but it also means more people are informed, and not necessarily informed with the right information.

Talk about confusing.

Give us honest politicians for a hundred years and maybe this "conspiracy" culture (if that's what we must call it) will die down.  Otherwise, it'll be the norm for a long, long time.

234 On "I question the timing" according to this sidebar story Panetta ran the entire operation, effectively goading a reluctant Obama into agreeing by saying OBLs location was going to leak, and Obama would pay a big political price.

Has the ring of "truthiness" to it.

And even if he was squishy about it, Obama still ultimately agreed, so he still deserves some credit.

235

The other uncharacteristic thing about this - besides actually making a decision - is fulfilling a campaign promise. It's all very puzzling.

On a related note, sometimes I get the idea that HC has to just about club him over the head to get him to do something. Go figure that she'd be the one making that 3am phone call, metaphorically speaking, and her challenge would be to get an answer. But that could all be based on hearsay, of course.

236

I don't care what you think about the timing, as long as you remember that I, personally, shot Bin Laden.

Unless you think that was wrong, in which case it was all Panetta's idea, that backstabbing war criminal!

237

No. It's about this Very Powerful Vampire whom they built "The Keep" to contain. It was designed to keep him IN, not to keep others out.

Great book. Didn't see the movie.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 03, 2011 04:37 PM (v2K2g)

 

The movie was not bad, but still disappointing.  The book, however, is excellent.  On par or better than King's "Salem's Lot". 

238

@#227

IQTT of your punctuation. You could have inserted something to make sense out of your drivel on May 3rd, yet you chose to wait.

I suggest Dec.22, 2012 to contruct a coherent sentence.

239

Increased complexity is also part of the conspiratorial thinking.

We have so many methods for instantly finding out what our elected officials are doing, but we don't have the equivalent knowledge to figure out what is really happening.

Example: The spending battle. How long did it take us to come to any consensus on how much spending was cut? Would we even agree on a number if asked? Were there multiple correct answers? Who will even remember the final number given after there are more numbers and projections in the next spending battle?

We (in general) don't have the political sopshistication and knowledge to keep up with the pace of political news. We now have access to so much information, but we have weaker critical thinking skills and resources for deciphering what is actually happening.

This gap allows a lot of room for challenging and ridiculing political leaders who actively use this gap for their own interests.

240

My immediate thought Sunday night wasn't "This will boost Zero's approval rating". I was hoping it was true and was damn happy to have it confirmed. Look, I know Zero is a liar and opportunist, but I doubt that even he would allow himself to be punked on this kind of level. I had assumed that OBL was dead for years and we either couldn;t confirm it or wouldn't for some reason.

Ok, so Zero gets one in his "win" column. It looks lonely next to all of those losses. If all he's got in 2012 is that "I got Bin Laden, you ingrate racists!" while gas is $5 a gallon, he ain't winning. I don't question the timinig because it's way too far from the election.

 

241 Pres**ent Obama cut short his golf so he could teleport to Pakistan and personally shoot that sanovabeech UBL himself

242

I don't question the timing because I don't give a shit as long as the goatfucker is dead.   But, I'll therorize on how I think it went down.

We know (maybe, it's been reported anyway) that the SEAL team practiced for a month at Bagram airbase.  It's been reported that they were pretty damn sure in February that the goatfucker was there, so that means that between February and May 1, there were at least 2 months before the order was given for a go.   So, one month for practice on the mission.   What the fuck was going on for the rest of the time?   Did it take that long to erect a mock-up for practice?   Doubt that, because the military can build damn near a whole city in much less time.

I think that it took that long for deWon to make up his mind, or be pushed into a decision.   Now, they say that he met with his National Security team 5 times during this time.   We all know he alots, what, maybe 45 minutes for any damn meeting he ever attends?   I think he was just being updated on what they had learned, how plans were going, and that they thought the goatfucker was still there.  

Now, his so-called decision to go ahead may have actually been made because those (Pennetta and others) on his team basically said, if you don't go ahead and do this, you are fucked if it comes out that you dithered or decided not to go ahead.  That may very well be why it is being reported that Panetta made the final decision.   DeWon may have not had the guts and just in case something went wrong he could blame it on others.   Since, it went brilliantly, he can take credit.

That, to me, seems a more likely scenario.   That's why the jug-eared fuck had to be called off the golf course.   Pretty hard to take credit when the shit went down if you're on a golf course yelling, "Fore!".   Besides, what fucking president, supposedly in total charge/control of this kind of mission says, "Well, I'm going to play golf while we're in the middle of the biggest fucking kill in a decade (that I'm in total control of), so call me when they're about to take off in the choppers?"

Bull fucking shit he was in total control and command.   Doesn't. make. sense.

243

@192: "The book had pictures of the movie in it. It looked pretty cool, but I never saw the movie. Was it really that bad?"

Unfortunately, yeah.  Given the right writer and director, it could have been excellent; instead, it missed badly. 

244

When would be the appropriate time to "get" ObL? ANYTIME YOU CAN, BABY!

The only way the timing would be "questionable" is the last vein taht ACE outlined.

The rest of bullshit...

I'm glad the m-effer is swimming wit da fishes.

245 To be serious a minute.

I do point out that Obama is taking credit for taking down Obama when all the ground work and a great deal of the intelligence was gathered under the previous administration. Ground work and intelligence that Obama campaigned against.

246

My default mode is cynicism so I don't have a problem imagining that part of his "go" call included an appreciation that this would help him politically. Makes him look all presidential and stuff. But I don't see how making the call right this moment helps more or less than any other time.

247 Okay, serious mode off.

I question  the timing of the release of the Death Photo.

When the fuck is it going to happen Obama? Seriously, you fucked me over on just about everything else!

248

Give us honest politicians for a hundred years and maybe this "conspiracy" culture (if that's what we must call it) will die down.  Otherwise, it'll be the norm for a long, long time.

A hundred years is too long. Halley's Comet returns in fifty years. That's when the reanimating fluid injected into bin Laden's corpse takes effect. The Cult of the Comet plans to dominate the land and the sea in 2061. Osama will certainly be Poseidon arisen; thus the burial at sea.

As for dominion over the land, events are already unfolding. Obama is part of the plot. So is Clinton, Reagan, both Presidents Bush. They all answer to the same master, the leader of the Comet Cult, former NFL player and coach Ted Marchibroda. But no SEAL team will ever get to him. There are too many people protecting him, including our military. The network is huge. For all we know, Ace is a member, which is why he questions the questions of timing.

Timing is everything.

249

The whitehouse admitting that Bin Laden was unarmed isn't helping them much either.

 

Are you kidding? In a military op we have to worry about that first? These libs make me crazy. Bin Laden DECLARED WAR ON US. He gets what he got and thanks to pre-betwetter watering down of inteligence gathering, we got what we needed to get where we got. Un-Sponge-Worthy--Piss-Bama-Square-Pants just happend to ride the clock to the right time!

250 Just following up on some previous comments.  If JEF didn't actually give the official "go" to this operation, did he give the "go" for the Lybian action?  It seems there should be a pattern here or plausible deniability.

251 I time the questioning.

252 The only real timing issue here is that the Obama team has a theory about polls. They seem to believe that if polling goes under a certain level it begins to snowball, so you have to act decisively and immediately to counter the downward slide before people start piling on because you look like a loser.

There may be something to that theory; it certainly appears that's how they see things.

253 Uh oh. Glenn Beck wants to take me out of my comfort zone. Why am I afraid that is going to involve questioning the timing?

254
  Dunno about you guys, I'm super elated that deadladen is gone. I'll freely admit it chaps my ass to have to give that flapjack in the WH credit, though.  This is one I'd DEFINITELY love seeing Bush be applauded for.

  Just doesn't seem fitting.

255 It is funny people are trying to give credit for Osama's Comeuppance to Obama. If the election came out differently, McCain would have given the kill order.

Obama shouldn't get credit simply because of him being in Office when the National Security establishment found him using programs and rules laid out during the previous Administration.

This is like giving credit for the Manhattan Project to Harry S. Truman.

256

252 ...Now, his so-called decision to go ahead may have actually been made because those (Pennetta and others) on his team basically said, if you don't go ahead and do this, you are fucked if it comes out that you dithered or decided not to go ahead.  That may very well be why it is being reported that Panetta made the final decision.   DeWon may have not had the guts and just in case something went wrong he could blame it on others.   Since, it went brilliantly, he can take credit. ...

Your comment shed new light for me on something odd I had noticed in his speech. He went out of his way to declare that he had made the assessment that the intelligence was adequate. Now, it's not his job to make intelligence assessments, and he's not qualified to do so. So your comment makes me think that the members of his team had concluded that the time was right several times previously, but he gave the excuse for not acting that the intel was as of yet inadequate - declaring himself to be a de facto intelligence analyst (which exposes the trait of being a really horrific leader).

257 Some of you act like there has never been a conspiracy other than those that have been revealed to be one. That said I don't think there is any conspiracy here except the one to keep the info hidden that Obama had to be forced to take action.

258 For once, Obama is not saying "I inherited this from Bush". He is taking credit for it.

259 CONSISTENCY!

260 Osama is Dead. I Blame Bush.

261 I don't question the timing.
As Ace points out, there is a reason that the definition of "Waffle" in the dictionary has a picture of Obama next to it.

For some reason, Obama made the right choice.

I suspect that Wiki leaks mentioning a couriers name last week might have something to do with it.
A paranoid person is always looking for a hint that someone who wants to do him harm, is getting close to him.
And Bin-Ladin was nothing except paranoid.
Look at the steps he took concerning his own security.
It's not hard to imagine him deciding that there was just enough of a whiff that the US was getting close to identifying his lair, that it would be time to move to another location.
Could Bin Laden know for sure that we were getting close?
It doesn't matter, he would rabbit in a heartbeat just on a slim chance that we were getting close.

I also suspect that if he had refused to act, after being presented the information, that it could have been used against him politically at a later date.
Hillary would certainly use that little tidbit later, if she decided to make a bid in 2012.  The fact that he was presented this knowledge, an failed to act on it would not have come from Hillary directly.
But it certainly would have started to perculate out from un-named sources about 3 months before the election in 2012.

Obama made the right call....good on him.
It's what we expect our presidents to do
But in Obama's case, you almost feel the need to pat him on the head, give him a slurpee, and tell him how special he is.

262 And even if he was squishy about it, Obama still ultimately agreed, so he still deserves some credit.

Posted by: looking closely at May 03, 2011 04:42 PM (6Q9g2)

If he wanted to impress me, he'd have gone in there with the SEALs and personally cut that son of a bitches head off, held it up for the camera, then spit down the neck hole.

263

Oh, and I do have another question.   Supposedly, they had a pretty good idea in August last year that the compund was where the goatfucker was holed up, but were't 96% sure until February.

Why would you wait until February to start preparing a SEAL team to go in, if you were even fairly sure that the goatfucker was somewhere?   Wouldn't you want them prepared at as close to ready as possible just in case you got word that the goatfucker was preparing to bugout?   I'm not up (obviously) on how that comes about, but I think I would want them at least on a kind of ready alert just in case they needed to move damn quickly.

264

@217: "Well Bin Laden signed his own death warrant when he decided to kill Americans"

Not really.  In my case, you Zionist running-dog infidels just keep killing my family!

265 I'm no fan of Obama, but he even said during his campaign if he had actionable intelligence he would go into Pakistan and kill OBL. And he did. Good on him.

266 Osama bin Laden was killed because he was insubordinate to our reptilian overlords.

267 I believe this conditionally: Obama had little to do with this operation; he is not responsible for the intelligence break that led to Osama nor the timing of the raid. His only role was this: permission. As POTUS, Obama had to give permission for the raid.

It is highly doubtful that Navy SEALs and their coordinators picked ANY date with political significance in mind. The only factors that are taken into consideration are those that would directly affect the mission. Thus, it is ridiculous to read too much into 1) the date;  2) the time; 3) the brand of watches they wore.

Frankly, I do not believe most Americans will give Obama much credit for this. Those who do have already thrown their panties at The One and have nothing else to shed. If Obama crows a little too much about this mission -- and he is likely to do so since he has so little else to crow about -- it could and probably will backfire on him. Voters get crazy once in a while (like when they vote in a clown like this) but they are not, by and large stupid.

Any boost Obama gets from this will not be nearly as much as he hopes, won't last long even if so (and he should feel a cold chill grip his heart when he finally notices that), and it won't help him much on election day, 2012 -- a year and a half away.

Further, I don't know many Americans -- none,quite frankly -- who care that much about May Day.

268 Wikileaks.

But that means he was saving if for election.

269 Wow, that White House insider article from the sidebar is devastating. Barry and Valeri are more concerned about the poor widdle Muslims feelings, than killing cocksucker Osama.

270 279 Wow, that White House insider article from the sidebar is devastating. Barry and Valeri are more concerned about the poor widdle Muslims feelings, than killing cocksucker Osama.

Posted by: Iblis at May 03, 2011 05:25 PM (9221z)

Yes, and experience implies accuracy.

271 On second thought, we need to keep Jarret right where she is. Her stupidity is making things a lot easier for us.

272

Obama was just upset he didn't get invited to the royal wedding. "Oh yeah? Well I'll just have OBL killed the next day!"

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273 If those Hillbuzz people get a hold of that story, they'll be screaming for Hillary to primary Barry.

274

Panetta smacked the Ditherer-in-chief because Wikileaks 3:The Gitmoing is in the theatres now, and the part about the courier is in it. OBL would know pretty soon that the bloodhounds are close and bolt to a new place (gee, after he decorated so nicely).

Ace is right, its too soon for any political advantage. Any bounce he gets will be erased at the gas pump, and after this week, any politicizing of it off-putting even more than his thursday victory dance at Ground Zero (which he failed to visit the last 3 times he's been to NY last month)

275 En Fuego!

276 I question the timing of questioning the timing...

Ah, 'hell with it.

At any rate, the date is most likely because O put it off as long as he could because, as davidt's already said, he "dithered until he couldn't dither any longer. It's what he does."  He might have wanted to sit on it until a much more opportune time, like, say, right before the next election.  As it stands, the public will largely forget about how he finally did something right for once by the time he's up for re-election. 

But I think what was much more likely is that he simply sat on this until he couldn't sit on it any longer.  Simplest answer and fits his MO.

277 Bin Laden was under house arrest in that compound. That is no million dollar mansion. It has 3,000 sq. ft. of living space and the interior furnishings were anything but luxurious. You saw the pictures. This "living in luxury" BS is to distract you from seeing that compound for what it was. A jail. This is also why bin Laden was not armed. Prisoners usually are not. Also, this "treasure trove of intelligence" from OBL's computers is another lie to cover up the fact that OBL was a prisoner in that compound. Why announce to every major AQ figure that you now possibly have intel on them and give them a chance to flee/move? I honestly feel wekilled a defenseless prisoner under house arrest. The question is why?

278 There's no question of timing.  Pope John Paul II became Blessed John Paul II at noon, and just a few hours later bin Laden is dead.  It'd be interesting to find out exactly what time the mission started...

279 I'll take leftie idiots like Unknown for $1000, Alex.

280 I used to question the timing.  Then I replaced my points with electronic ignition, so it's all good now.

281 Any timing to kill that sunovabitch is okay by me. Obama, I really hate the job you've done as president and I want you out and your goon party the hell out of office in 2012, but good on ya for scragging Osama Bin laden. Same for those Somali pirates Nobody can ever take that away from you. That's what life is like when you don't vote present, you serve your country's interests, and you don't ignore reality to appease your clueless delusional political allies and indulge their pet political/economic theories that never work. Welcome to what you've been loudly denouncing as the dark side. It works. It helps the people of the USA. It gives you the beginnings of credibility after three years of shitting your pants on every foreign policy opportunity you could trip over. Don't forget that. This is real in a way that hope and change and dumb industry nationalizations and handing companies over to unions will NEVER be.

282 Has anyone noticed that Obama's really big scores occur whenever he continues an existing Bush policy?

283 Looks like we've forgotten the debate on raising the debt ceiling for the federal government, and just how is that new budget progressing through congress? Anyone remember?

284

this argument proves that the Reps are truly about defense and the security of our country and not just about "our team"  

I'm a lib, but I went independent Sunday night. I knew this would be seen as more political point scoring than true concern for the country and I could not take it anymore. for four years (i started reading politcal blogs after the 2004 elections) I heard nothing but hatred for W...not one shred of credit, even when he created Medicare part D (were it a lib pres, he would have been seen as the next JFK or FDR)

Also, did you check the Gallup poll recently? The CIA got the most credit, and while Obama was credited with the most, but W got some credit as well

 

285

I know this thread is deader than Bin Laden but here goes:

There is nothing to question about the timing of the raid.  Only days before Obama wasted a perfectly good birth certificate to shut up Trump and rescue his approval numbers.  If he knew this was coming up he would certainly have hung onto the birth certificate to use it later.

286 Deen't read the thread (oh no!). But I think it's the totality of the media storm that Obama has (quite) successfully whupped up, that maybe you be missing?

1) (Successful) 'release' of didge compiled C.O.L.B. (without ever actually producing it, in the atomic!).

2) Yukkity Yuk Yuk Tour's (Bambi got nothing on Charlie Sheen) first stop ... Oprah! ["I am an American" (voiced: Brando/Waterfront)].

3) Monday, Medal of Honor ceremony.

4) Tuesday, host/MC athletic event .... with amputees/wounded vets.

5) Agonize over the lost dear departed's makeup (I'm ready for my closeup now Mr. DeMille)

6) Venture to NYC, and stand atop hollowed ground, yammering/singing like Natalie Wood (why yes I duzz Feel Preety).

There is no random there. None. Yes, the panty waist narrative works, and well. Indeed. And is entirely valid, to be sure. Just doesn't work for me. At all. He is what he is. A traitor. It's all he is .. it is all he knows. And I believe time will reveal ....