1 T-Paw is quitting, stolen like everything else here from HA,

2 "The Coveted Pawlenty Endorsement" Good one! Kick the guy while he's down, why don't ya?

3 Obama è una balbuzia clusterfuck di miserabile fallimento.

4 A good move, I think. I look forward to supporting which ever candidate the GOP selects. Anybody is better than the current POTUS.

5 He had a nice record of accomplishment that should have made him a contender for the nomination.  But in a crowded field, he just didn't stand out.

To his credit, he decided to move on rather than waste everyone's (and his own) time.

Good luck governor.  I'd say you'd be missed, but, meh.

6 So the Iowa straw poll wasn't a complete waste of time.

7 1 T-Paw is quitting, stolen like everything else here from HA,

Gee, that was unnecessarily snotty.

I saw it on the local news myself. 

8 Heh. I don't even read Hot Air. I saw it on Twitter.

9 Huckster's daughter no longer working for T-Paw, Huckster now free to endorse Bachmann. 

10 @6
Kudos to Pawlenty for dropping out sooner rather than later. 

Cain, Newt, and Santorum need to go next or at least after SC. 

Huntsman will hang on some as will soon-to-be-former Congressman Ron Paul. 

Bachmann's the wild card. 

11 I think in a Perry, Romney, Bachmann, Paul, and Huntsman debate, Rick will clearly stand out as the one ready to be our chief executive. 

12 I imagine Gingrich is relieved this morning that his candidacy's inevitable demise didn't occur first.  He'll be out, along with Cain, Huntsman, and Santorum, long before anybody casts an actual nomination vote.

13

Ha, way OT

What if you climb a tower and no one gives a shit.

Just saw on fox, guy climbs tower two days ago. Cops say they don't know why. Finally he asks for a cigarette and a hamburger. They say come down and get it.

14 If Pawlenty thought going after Bachman instead of Obama and acting like a bitch weasel while doing it was a good strategy, he is too fucking stupid for the job.

15 McCotter Cain Santorum Gingrich Hunstman Paul Bachmann Palin: Won't Run.

16  If TPaw's out, who gets his voter?

Posted by: nickless at August 14, 2011 09:12 AM (MMC8r)

This.

17 He'll certainly have Pawlenty of time on his hands now. Hey, it's early. I got to warm up first, ok?

18

Pawlenty has an excellent record, but he was lacking the "it" factor.  There was also a question, legitimate in my opinion, as to how he would be perceived internationally--he just seemed too nice a guy.  Had he pounced on the Obamney Care meme at the New Hampshire debate, he might have answered those questions and we may not be having this conversation today.

He was my early favorite, but now I'd probably have to go with Perry.  Hopefully we haven't seen the last of Pawlenty on the national stage--maybe he can run for Senate, he'd sure as hell be an upgrade over Franken...

19 He'll certainly have Pawlenty of time on his hands now.

Men have been killed for better puns than that.  Good men.

20 He's still running, just for veep.

21 15 McCotter
Cain
Santorum
Gingrich
Hunstman
Paul
Bachmann

Palin: Won't Run.

Are these your preferences or the order you expect them to drop out?

22 Well he was using many of 'Maverick's Top Men, what could go wrong?

23

That was a stand up thing for Pawlenty to do.  I'm sure it's motivated by the grim reality that he is no longer able to raise money, but alot of other self absorbed pols would have stayed in anyway.

Hopefully, like some other big name governors, he will get behind Perry in the coming months.

24  Considering what he was up against in Minnesota, he did a good job. Running his campaign? Not so much...

25 He should cross over and join Perry as the VP slot. That would provide some balance and he would not be as liberal as some of the other people I have seen folks trying to get to run with Perry.

26 Are there any GOP candidates left who have the courage to stand? Has Rick Perry taken a stance on standing?

27 Maybe that straw poll had more meaning than we thought? Jeez, I seriously thought he would stick it out. Wow.

28 O/T (kinda) I would love to have an honest discussion with people who think that Bachmann could defeat Obama. Seriously?

29 He just nominated himself for VP.

30 Men have been killed for better puns than that. Good men. Posted by: countrydoc at August 14, 2011 09:52 AM (Fwb9h) ---------------------------------------------------- Puns do not kill people. People kill people. Better? Hell, I need coffee.

31 Obama ist ein stotterndes Blockbumsen eines Ausfalls

32 The old fashioned way of looking at this is since Perry will get the nomination the GOP will need someone from up north to "balance" the ticket, maybe Paw. But I,m not sure if they do that anymore.

33 Maybe that straw poll had more meaning than we thought? Jeez, I seriously thought he would stick it out.

They were reporting yesterday that he needed to come in at 1 or 2. He spent a ton of money and had a very weak 3rd.

He just could not get any traction. As I said in the other thread, he moved hard to the right flip-flopping as bad as Romney but he just didn't have the name recognition to overcome that.

34 I'm still thinking Cain as VP for Perry, just seems right to me.

35 Apparently, you rubes don't care about the evils of ethanol subsidies.  Suck on it rubes...

36 I would love to have an honest discussion with people who think that Bachmann could defeat Obama. Seriously?

I think she can beat him because she will energize the base and help the GOTV effort. The so-called MFM candidate would be the opposite of that.

37

O/T (kinda) I would love to have an honest discussion with people who think that Bachmann could defeat Obama. Seriously

I think she could possibly narrowly defeat him, if things stay as bad or get worse. However I want OWaffle repudiated and crushed like as bug.

So she's a no go for me.  I'm not a huge fan of hers anyway.

38 1 T-Paw is quitting, stolen like everything else here from HA, Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 14, 2011 09:38 AM (BcHHb) We morons prefer to think of Hotair as a "Revenue Stream."

39 Oh, OK, off sock - I'm not Greek, and I'm only a moron.

40 Vic - I'm still holding out hope for Rubio in the VP slot.. But TPaw would be ok...

41 He put all his chips on Iowa, and they were limited chips.

Now was the time for TP to decide, because the next major opportunity to winnow the field is going to be a ways off, and his campaign was going to need to sustain itself until then.  No energy boost out of the Straw Poll puts that in major jeopardy.

Today, he has a reason to leave the race.  Better to do that than in a month or two when he's completely dry of campaign donations and borrowed to the hilt.  It sucks that this is how the nomination process goes, but that's how it works.

42 I'm still thinking Cain as VP for Perry, just seems right to me.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 14, 2011 10:00 AM

I could dig that. Despite some gaffes -- and the scorn of the Serious Political Junkies -- I really like the guy.

But what about LTC West? Now there's a straight shooter. Apparently in more than one way.

43

 T-Paw is quitting, stolen like everything else here from HA

Breaking news being carried by most of the services AND T-paw gave notice yesterday that he was going to annouce something this morning and somehow this is stolen from Hot Air?

You must be a liberal.

44 I just don't see anything Pawlenty would bring to the table for the VP slot.

45 But no other candidate can rally the base? Perry's doing a damn fine job, plus he's got experience.

46 Vic - I'm still holding out hope for Rubio in the VP slot.. But TPaw would be ok...

We need to keep our conservative congressmen in congress.

47 If Perry or Romney is the nominee, I think you can just about guarantee Rubio will be the VP.

It goes with the Republican 'narrative'. Moderate support for immigration, plus an eye to future electoral success with Hispanic voters.

48 10 @6 Kudos to Pawlenty for dropping out sooner rather than later. Bachmann's Palin the wild card. Posted by: Y-not at August 14, 2011 09:43 AM (5H6zj) You're exactly right, Y-not: now that he knows he won't be the nominee, Pawlenty did the honorable thing and decided not to be a spoiler. He has proven he can be an asset to the Party, IMO. Now Palin needs to do the Honorable Thing. Either Rinse or Get Off the Bidet, Sarah!

49 "O/T (kinda) I would love to have an honest discussion with people who think that Bachmann could defeat Obama. Seriously?"

According to the polls her chances are the same as Perry's.

50

Pawlenty is the Good Guy Greg of 2012.

51 I just don't see anything Pawlenty would bring to the table for the VP slot.

Posted by: texette at August 14, 2011 10:03 AM (8sD9j)

Northern semi-moderate to balance Southern semi-conservative.

52 Some of these commenters would make really shitty campaign advisors.

53 I think she can beat him because she will energize the base and help the GOTV effort. The so-called MFM candidate would be the opposite of that.
Posted by: Vic
.........
How big do you think that "base" is, Vic?

And.. "energize" the base?  If the thought of that clusterfuck of a President inhabiting the White House for four more years ain't enough to energize the "base", then we've already lost.

Bachmann cannot win against him. Period.  The base ain't a big enough portion of the electorate to elect anyone on their own, and they would be the only ones voting for her.

54

As the field starts to narrow I'll state the obvious for any trolls new here:

1) If the field is now down to 18.....that's 19 who would be smarter and do a better job than BO. (IE: including the candidate "anybody BUT BO")

2) While very few see their dream candidate in this field, a large majority can see several candidates they could settle on.

3) The joke about yesterday's straw pole being for the position of Perry's VP is more true than joke. Whoever emerges should be able to begin the "coalition building process" simply by picking someone else from these ranks. Reagan's old rule of "say no bad about a fellow republican" should be brought out and dusted off IMMEDIATELY. The left is surely geared up to Palin-ize anyone they consider a threat. (And these are ALL threats!)

4) The primary and ultimate goal of all of these candidates should be not only winning the Presidency, but the dismantling of the nanny state that has led to the current sad state of affairs. That's 1 thing Perry got right in his speech yesterday and ALL the candidates should be piling on that theme. It will take the combination of their campaigning voices to be heard over the shrill cacophony of MSM voices predicting the end of the world if we don't "stay the course" .....like lemmings right off the cliff.

5) Newsweek's cover of Bachman has pretty much shown how low the MSM is willing to go and set the tone for the media coverage to follow. It will take more than the rage of the Tea Party organizers to overcome this George Soros (organized and funded)  leftist media. The gloves are off. Bodies will be burried AFTER the election. The rules are : There are no rules.

Pudding and vodka for everyone while you're reloading your arms.

Carry on.

55 Part of Pawlenty's problem was he was no good as an attack dog- a necessary skill for a VP slot.

I want West as VP with Perry.

56 Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 14, 2011 It was in the sidebar here before Tepid Air had it.

57

Men have been killed for better puns than that. Good men.

Puns do not kill people. People kill people.

looks like someone brought a knife to a punfight.

58 52 O/T (kinda) I would love to have an honest discussion with people who think that Bachmann could defeat Obama. Seriously? Posted by: Joffen at August 14, 2011 09:59 AM (EPcuy) In November 1980, Pee Wee Herman wanking in an X-Rated theater could have defeated Carter in a landslide. Don't kid yourself: Obama will be weaker than Carter come November 2012.

59 I'll put it this way Chi-Town, nominating Romney will instantly convert a number of Southern States and possible some of the mid-west States blue. Because people will NOT vote for another NE liberal gun grabber.

On top of that add in that the Tea Party will likely run a 3rd Party candidate after which 18% of the normal Republican voters would vote 3rd party.

60

"Maybe that straw poll had more meaning than we thought?

Or maybe not.  Know who won the first Iowa poll in 1979?  George HW Bush.  And Reagan went on to win the nomination.  I think something like two of the poll winners have gone on to win the nomination, or some ridiculous number like that.

The poll did its job, which in my opinion was to give those who think they are serious lay out their case to the faithful.  At the end of the day, they want to be enthusiastic, as GOP voters across the country want to be, and T-Paw just doesn't cut it.

Oh, and buh-bye to Newt too...

61 Puns do not kill people. People kill people. Happiness is a Warm Pun!

62 Obama ist ein stotterndes Blockbumsen eines Ausfalls

If that means needle dick butt fucker, then yeah.

63 63 I'll put it this way Chi-Town, nominating Romney will instantly convert a number of Southern States and possible some of the mid-west States blue. Because people will NOT vote for another NE liberal gun grabber.

On top of that add in that the Tea Party will likely run a 3rd Party candidate after which 18% of the normal Republican voters would vote 3rd party.


The main threat to a Romney nomination is exactly this.  There will be a third party challenge that will permit Obama to win.  This is not the year to do the usual "next man in line" nomination process by the GOP!

64 I don't think that Perry's Southern conservative populism is going to be a winner in the Midwest or even places like Virginia. Too many people still blame Bush for the current economic mess, even though Obama has made the overwhelming majority of economic decisions linked to our current problems.

65

In November 1980, Pee Wee Herman wanking in an X-Rated theater could have defeated Carter in a landslide.

Don't kid yourself: Obama will be weaker than Carter come November 2012.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 14, 2011 10:10 AM (kUaEF)

You have a good point, but don't underestimate what can happen when your opposition gets energized.

The left was enraged by Sarah Palin. It's impossible to separate the numbers to determine how much of O's margin was due to him, and how much was due to "STOP THAT WOMAN!" Probably not a big number because she was the VP candidate.

But as a presidential nominee, a pro-life, conservative woman would ignite the left. Might be exactly what they need to counter their own malaise over O's failure to fulfill their dreams.

66 55 The biggest problem for Bachmann is her 'Crazy Eyes' as defined by Newsweek, the democrat propaganda organ. Posted by: Fish the Impaler at August 14, 2011 10:06 AM (Lt/Za) No, her biggest limitation is some intemperate statements she made in the past that can perhaps unfairly put her in a bad light. She's socially too conservative for certain regions, and she hasn't couched her positions fuzzily enough to get around that. Wether or not that is a good thing, is debatable. However, I refuse to allow that blonde little cunt editor from Newsweek to disqualify Republicans from the nomination based on what photos she decides to put on the cover of her little rag.

67 I commented on a dead thread yesterday that I think Perry has been a good governor and I've voted for him every election but there never has been a time when I said to myself "This guy should be President". My support in the Primary will likely go to him unless Romney clarifies his AGW statement to my satisfaction or if Perry takes a similar political non committal stance. My main concern with Perry is you have only seen him work in a very Republican environment. Washington is anything but.

68 #69

Reagan only won around 50% of the vote in 1980. Carter only had around 41% of the vote, but part of that was due to a third party candidate who pulled votes away from Carter, especially in the NE.

Had it been a two party election, Carter would have won around 45% of the vote, even with the terrible economy.

69 69 55 The biggest problem for Bachmann is her 'Crazy Eyes' as defined by Newsweek, the democrat propaganda organ. Posted by: Fish the Impaler at August 14, 2011 10:06 AM (Lt/Za) I will agree with you about that. Our candidate must be conservative, but not someone that energizes the opposition. I have to say this: watching Perry's speech yesterday, I felt like I was a teenager again watching Ronald Reagan. I think he's got the ability to be conservative enough to rally the right but not overly alarm the left.

70 Posted by: CoolCzech at August 14, 2011 10:15 AM (kUaEF)

Good point

71 Perry is a good speaker and a great campaigner, but some people are going to hear him and think 'Texas', Southern Accent', and just turn away.

I think there is a chance as well that Perry could rile up liberals like Romney can't because of his similarities to Bush.

72 IMO Cain is too old to pick for VP. I liked him and even donated a bit to him, but I always felt his role was just to pull the GOP towards his ideas. I'd prefer to see Bachmann as House Speaker. I'd love to see Palin as Sec of the Interior although she may prefer the high paying gig she has now. I don't think she'll run in the face of the negative poll #s --unless she has private polling that shows the media polls are BS. She would hate to lose to the JEF. Hate is not a strong enough word but I cant come up with a better one.

73 Had it been a two party election, Carter would have won around 45% of the vote, even with the terrible economy. Posted by: Paper at August 14, 2011 10:17 AM (IvlIt) You're assuming the Andersonites would have voted for Carter. They were basically Democrats that just couldn't stomach the thought of voting for a proven loser like Carter a second time. I think there are plenty of 2008 Obama Voters that will feel the same way in 2012.

74 I'll put it this way Chi-Town, nominating Romney will instantly convert a number of Southern States and possible some of the mid-west States blue. Because people will NOT vote for another NE liberal gun grabber.

On top of that add in that the Tea Party will likely run a 3rd Party candidate after which 18% of the normal Republican voters would vote 3rd party.
Posted by: Vic
............
Everyone has their shortcomings..  NE liberal will alienate the South.. Texas gov will alienate Independents and moderates..

That's why we have primaries..

So whoever gets the nominations, I'll vote for.. I just don;t think it will be Bachmann.. nor do I think she is capable of beating Obama.. that is not a comment on any other candidate.

But I will tell you this.. If the Tea Party tries to run a third party, thus losing the election for us, they will be permanently on the shit list of several million conservatives in this country and will be the cause of a whole lotta misery coming from four more years of that JEF occupying the WH.  They better not try that shit.

75 Perry is a good speaker and a great campaigner, but some people are going to hear him and think 'Texas', Southern Accent', and just turn away.

I think there is a chance as well that Perry could rile up liberals like Romney can't because of his similarities to Bush.

Posted by: Paper at August 14, 2011 10:19 AM (IvlIt)

Ooh, good work getting those memes out there. Progs aren't going to be riled up by anyone else?

76 if the Tea Party runs a third party candidate I hope they all contract herpes after fucking our country.

77 #77

There were exit polls done that asked about people's second choices. Though you are absolutely right that some would have stayed home, the majority would have gone to Carter.

It also speaks to an interesting fact about the political system in the US. Even though we all know that third parties don't ever win in national elections, large amounts of people are willing to vote for candidates even if they recognize that it might hurt someone allied with their party affiliation.

78 Pun down! Never pun up!

79 46 I just don't see anything Pawlenty would bring to the table for the VP slot.

How about being a competent spokesman and replacement for the President if something should happen?

80

The left was enraged by Sarah Palin. It's impossible to separate the numbers to determine how much of O's margin was due to him, and how much was due to "STOP THAT WOMAN!"

I know several people who voted FOR Mclame because he brought Sarah on board. Till then his campain was slack and listless.

81 Romney's got "concede" written on his face. He will concede to Democrats time and time again! He is not a strong leader. I don't believe I'm hearing this sometimes...

82 Well the secret to keeping the tea party from running a 3rd party candidate is don't vote for a liberal squish in the primaries.

83 81 #77 There were exit polls done that asked about people's second choices. We'll never know for sure; people don't always do what they tell pollsters... especially in "what if" scenarios.

84 #79

We are on a message board for a conservative website talking about the election, and I don't know about you, but I'm not affiliated with any campaign.

This is something that I haven't been able to stand about talking about the election. There is an external reality that exists outside of 'spin' and 'memes'. Sometimes it is picked up well in polls, sometimes not, but it exists. Politics isn't just spin and PR. There are demographic, geographic, and historical fundamentals that determine elections.

85 I never understood why Pawlenty was running. There was no way he could straggle on long enough to angle a job out of it.

[Rubio as VP] goes with the Republican 'narrative'. Moderate support for immigration, plus an eye to future electoral success with Hispanic voters.

If the GOP can't tell the difference between Cuban and "Hispanic," it deserves the hilarious death its cunning plan will bring.

In 2010—the wave!—Rubio almost won the Latino vote in Florida. Where all the Cubans are. He only lost it by about 10 points.

No GOP candidate got close to that anywhere else. Even where they ran stereotypically Mexican-named candidates who won, they got less than a third. Hard ceiling.

Even 100% of the Hispanic vote wouldn't offset the crackaz they'll lose if that's the "narrative." I'm not sure it would even make up for the ones they've lost since 2010.

86 71 Romney will say anything it takes to get elected. Whether or not he sees an edge on a view of AGW that parallels yours, his position will be totally calculated and insincere.

87 Just watched Bachmann conduct an entire interview with Chris Commie Wallace.  Her team is really good, because you couldn't see the teleprompters, she looked directly at the camera, and her writers were able to produce answers for her to parrot without waiting 30+ minutes.  Better yet, her obviously scripted racist answers didn't have any "um, ah, or uh" in them.

She'll be easy to beat.

88 I just think that Cain would be interference for all the racist shit the libtards are going to throw at Perry and Cain is not that bad of a business man he could do wonders putting the youngsters back to work.

89 This is what I'm hearing from people: "Bachmann or Palin will beat Obama" Me: Oh? Do you have specific reasons why you think they have what it takes and not someone else? Them: I just think they will beat him. Me: Okayy...but why? What do they have that makes them unique? Them: I just feel like they can beat Obama. Me: ...

90 Bachmann hates on the gays. That won't fly in the general.

91

My cellphone gets blocked every other comment, so someone may already have said this.

Vic, when Reagan picked Bush Sr., Bush Sr. had a huge block of support and big money donors.  Pawlenty has neither.

Standing next to Rick Perry, Pawlenty would look even more washed out than he does standing next to Bachman.

Simply put, Pawlenty would dilute the brand.  Dilute, not balance.

I think Perry will look for supplement, not balance, anyway.  An Austin writer called Perry a "hard man", and, oh my Lord, he is.  I can support him wholeheartedly, but I don't think ya'll realize, as most Texans don't actually realize, exactly what kind of man stepped up yesterday.

92 #87

I agree.

It is also hard to predict what circumstances will encourage a third party. Why Perot in 1992/1996 yet not someone similar in 2004 or 2008?

So much of it comes down to personal resources and motivations. One person (like Ron Paul) could change the entire electoral map for the Republicans from good to nightmarish.

93 90 71 Romney will say anything it takes to get elected. Whether or not he sees an edge on a view of AGW that parallels yours, his position will be totally calculated and insincere. Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at August 14, 2011 10:25 AM (lpWVn) He's glib, he's polished, he's insincere. That pretty much sums him up. What was lacking on the scene was someone that was a great spontaneously articulate speaker that projected Presidential statue, love of country, rejection of Obamanism, and dynamic leadership. I think Perry is The One.

94
Here's why I believe Tim Pawlenty dropped out so soon.

1. It was killing him to pander to the base of the GOP. He hated it because he, like a lot of Republicans, holds the party's conservative base in contempt.

2. He was scared to death of criticizing Obama.

So, in conclusion, good riddance, T-Pod.

95 Vic, when Reagan picked Bush Sr., Bush Sr. had a huge block of support and big money donors.  Pawlenty has neither.

Reagan also hated Bush Sr. and I think picking him up was a big damn mistake.

96 #89

I've tried to communicate that for a while, but it falls on deaf ears.

The problem is that long-term, Republicans have to at least split the Hispanic vote to win national elections. They can't win the current percentages as the US changes demographic composition and win elections in the future.

There is still a four to (maybe) eight year window where they can edge out national elections without a large number of Hispanic votes.

97 Here's why I believe Tim Pawlenty dropped out so soon.

It didn't help that Michelle could take a Corn Dog like a pro and he's anti Corn Dog

98 It's not just me, I see a lot of other commenters trying to get specifics out of certain people and they get nowhere. Ask me why I specifically support Rick Perry and I will be happy to tell you. Why can't you others do the same with your preferred candidate?

99 Perry will take it to odumbass and he's not used to that, he will show the rest of the populace just how fucked up he is trying to counter Perry like the little bitch that he is, too he has nothing to run on except healthcare and we all know how that's working out.

100 Pawlenty's problem was:

1) His weak sounding name.
2) His weak mouth.
3) His droopy eyes.

Smart capable guy that just came across so meh no matter how hard he tried.  Would make a nice Secretary of something though.

101 I bet Vic's great great grand daddy was involved in the decision to fire on Ft Sumter.

102 If Team Obama thinks they are just gonna run roughshod over Perry like they did McCain without getting their noses bloodied they have another thing coming.  Perry was down to KBH by 24 points and won by 20.  The man knows how to kick some ass.

103 I asked you to tell me one area or characteristic where Barky beats Bachmann. Just one. He has executive experience. That's importance because it's a leadership position. Do I need to explain how polarizing she is? I'd be glad to, if you'd like me to elaborate. It's been a long damn time since a member of the House was elected President. Oh, I'm sorry you only wanted one. I came up with those in about three seconds. Want me to continue?

104

My personal biggest concern with Bachmann is lack of executive experience--that is a big red flag.  Who was the last president elected without some sort of prior executive experience, either political or military--aside from Obama?  And yes, before the Bachmann supporters jump down my throat, I am not saying she is Obama 2.0, but there is that similarity there and it is not a trivial concern.

My other big concern is, can a woman win the general election, especially a conservative woman?  Even after 8 years of W leaving the left begging for an alternative, Hillary! still couldn't get the nomination over Obama from the Democarats--and I find it hard to believe that a Republican woman in the general election will fare better than a moderate-liberal woman in the Democratic primary.  Too many feminists will brand her a traitor, too many troglodytes on both sides won't vote for her because she is a woman...I just don't see it happening right now.

105 Reagan also hated Bush Sr. and I think picking him up was a big damn mistake.

Posted by: Vic at August 14, 2011 10:32 AM (M9Ie6)

As usual, Reagan was right.  The Bush empire (NE RINO elite at heart) participated in creating and enhancing a lot of the liberal infrastructure that is screwing us over today

106 Don't let the door hit you in the maxipad on the way out.

107 It seemed from the NH debate Pawlenty and Romney had some kind of deal where neither would attack one another, probably a phone call from Romney after TPaw went on the Sunday shows talking Obamneycare. Then TPaw choked and got ridiculed by the media while Bachmann soared. He realized that he got rolled, which means he is a pussy and too stupid to breathe. Sorry, but politics is a blood sport, and Pawlenty had bad instincts. He will not endorse Romney now, that's for sure. If he values his future, he will back Perry, who can do him favors down the road.

108 He (Obama) has executive experience. That's importantce because it's a leadership position. 

Posted by: Joffen at August 14, 2011 10:37 AM (EPcuy)

Can I haz the name of what you are smoking--I obviously needs me some of dat goood stuff?

109 Reagan also hated Bush Sr. and I think picking him up was a big damn mistake. Posted by: Vic at August 14, 2011 10:32 AM (M9Ie6) Bush Sr was also director of the CIA and likely played a role in those Iranian hostages being released the first day Reagan was in office. Quid pro quo, darling.

110 68 I don't think that Perry's Southern conservative populism is going to be a winner in the Midwest or even places like Virginia.

Did you hear the same speech I read? 

Aside from the "making the DC inconsequential in your lives" line, the thing I remember most about Perry's recent interviews and speech is the "predictable regulatory environment" idea.  Shit, that could be coming out of any sensible politician's mouth.  That's not a populist sentiment.  That's a play for people who are pro-business and growth. 

111 Bachmann on Meet the Depressed is eating Gregory's lunch!

112 #107 Again Perry has done this all in a very Red State. I agree though he will defend himself far better than anything McCain did. And no intention to be negative but he may have better insight to the Dems than I've contended because of his campaign for Gore.

113 Don't kid yourself: Obama will be weaker than Carter come November 2012.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 14, 2011 10:10 AM (kUaEF)

--

One would hope so, but he isn't now.  I checked the numbers and Carter was already in the 30s by this point in his term. 

114 109 Notice Romney personally called Bachmann to congratulate her after she won the straw poll. She is a ringer, but that's not to say she won't act in her own interests given the opportunity.

115 These people are really starting to piss me off. Get out of your damn bubble! It doesn't matter how much "intestinal fortitude" someone has it's: can she fucking win! I'm sorry for swearing on a Sunday morning but these people are pissing me off.

116  He (Obama) has executive experience. That's importantce because it's a leadership position. 

Posted by: Joffen at August 14, 2011 10:37 AM (EPcuy)

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... (cough, cough) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

117 For the life of me, I don't "get" the Romney frontrunner thing. And "he isn't Obama" is no reason.
No one in GOP field is Obama.

118 His coffers are empty after giving away to many tickets and that should be epic ad with a empty podium.

119

Perry will play well in Virginia.  We have a very right wing, religious fundamental attorney General--yep, Cuccinelli who is leading national charge against Obamacare--who lead the ticket 2 years ago.

however, i think Va. will come out the same % for any Republican.  Virginia's outcome is dependent on the economy, not the Republican nominee.

120 119 Perry campaigning for Gore also gives him cred as a bipartisan candidate who is as much like Clinton -- longest serving governor of his state, RGA chair and successful economy -- as Bush. Ask the average voter if being like Bush and Clinton is a bad thing. They will tell you Perry seems presidential.

121 bachman is doing very well against that ass on meet the press......

122 ...that ass on meet the press......

Boy, does that cover a lot of ground

123

Bush Sr was also director of the CIA and likely played a role in those Iranian hostages being released the first day Reagan was in office. Quid pro quo, darling.

 

You bought that leftists tripe?  Good luck eating it.

124 No, her biggest limitation is some intemperate statements she made in the past that can perhaps unfairly put her in a bad light.

I agree with you that that has hurt her.  What also hurts her, imho, is the fact that she's really failed to build a coalition or power base of note in the House.  She may be the TP front-woman, but she's not a leader amongst her peers.  It always seems like she's yelling "me too! include me! listen to me!" to the folks in Congress. 

Leadership is something she can develop, but she needs to tone down the spotlight grabbing efforts.  That alternate POTUS rebuttal move she made was really bush league. 


I actually think she has a future - more so than I believe about Palin at this point.  But I think she's got to learn the politicking part of politics.  And I think she'd be better served outside the House, perhaps in the Senate or as Secretary of State (depending how that position is in MN) or governor. 

125 Watching Deface The Nation. Nora O'Donnell: (Plays clip of M..B. using the term "submission") "What does submission mean to you?" Michelle Bachmann: "To me and my husband it means mutual respect." Nora O'Donnell: "Do you wish you had used another term other than "submission"? Michelle Bachmann: "I don't know what the term means to you, but to me and my husband it means respect." Nora O'Donnell: "So you don't think submit means to be subservient?" 3 times. 3 f'n times O'Donnell asked the question until she got HER point across.

126 He has more executive experience than Bachmann! Jesus now you've made me sound like I'm defending that dickhead! My point was executive experience is important. Do I really need to explain this to you? Want another reason? Look at the polls!

127

& any negative about Texas that Bambi wants to fling at Perry, Bambi first has to address himself & his actions in our economy.

 

& may I say that looks matter?

128 Bachmann on Meet the Depressed is eating Gregory's lunch!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 14, 2011 10:42 AM (yrGif)

It can't be very good. He probably eats bean sprout sandwiches made with flax seed bread.

129 Maybe in a week or two I will be proven wrong on this...  Palin has more executive experience than Bachmann and also reads the writing on the wall and is keeping her powder dry.  Other than Trump (God forbid) this is the last shoe to drop.  I thought that maybe she was working on some angle with Perry, but then she acted all surprised that he is running.

I go to a tea party group, adopted my family and really like what Bachmann stands for.  I would rather have her as a neighbor instead of Perry.  But the media has only just begun to paint her as a "one note" unhinged extremist.  So I guess I agree with Delta Smelt that instead of a nail biter it would be nicer just to nuke the situation from orbit.

Besides the big job, there will be a need for coattails to pull in as many senators as possible.

130 #127 I don't have to ask anybody about Perry. Living in Texas I've heard it all. People out side of Texas will learn at the same time as me whether Perry can handle himself outside the comfort zone of a solid Republican state.

131 My support in the Primary will likely go to him unless Romney clarifies his AGW statement to my satisfaction or if Perry takes a similar political non committal stance.

Perry slammed AGW alarmists a day or two ago.  I'll see if I can find the quote.  It was the strongest I've seen from any of the current or possible candidates. 

132

It can't be very good. He probably eats bean sprout sandwiches made with flax seed bread.

Posted by: ErikW at August 14, 2011 10:49 AM (c5AEh)

You're damn right and my colon is clean as a whistle!

Wanna see?

133

Romney is the current front-runner because he has the highest profile.  Name recognition it's probably a toss-up between him and Newt, but Romney has been campaigning for the last 2 years, whereas outside of watching Fox news no one had seen Newt in a dog's age.  As the Q factor of Perry and Bachmann continues to increase, and other fringe candidates drop out and their supporters move to the more conservative survivors, Romney's front-runner status will fall away.

134 romney LOOKS good.  TPaw did not.  Newt does not.  Santorum has almost classic good looks, but he has no "fire".

135

 Palin has more executive experience than Bachmann and also reads the writing on the wall and is keeping her powder dry

 

Hahahahaha...

how'd that Governorship turn out?

136

yeah, Newt is gone.  is he staying for SC because he thinks as a neighbor from Ga, that he will do well?

he hasn't been a Georgian for a long time--he's been all DC for 20 years.

137 >>>>Stop, already.  We support Bachmann for her positions, her consistency, and her intestinal fortitude.

Unfortunately, none of that is even remotely enough to get elected, something you constantly ignore.  The CANDIDATE herself matters.  And Bachmann, to whatever extent she is even able to appealingly articulate these values, is a horrible vessel for them.  A three-term Congresswoman with no experience and no accomplishments whatsoever, just an ability to say nice things without any responsibility for leading (at the precise moment we're trying to point out to moderates and independents that Obama is such a terrible fucking President because he had no experience and accomplishments whatsoever when he was elected, just an ability to say nice things without any responsibility for leading).  A woman with a voluminous history (accumulated in only three terms!) of abandoning her job, alienating her staffers and employees, failing to create working relationships with any of the sorts of people she would need as a President, and saying and doing kooky, crazy things.  Oh, and her husband is a massive liability -- a lisping manchild whose primary claim to fame is running a counseling center wherein he promised to "pray away the gay" of his clients' kids. 

This is a person who is unelectable BEFORE we have discussed her ideological and political liabilities, but let's briefly summarize those too: she is far too unyieldingly extreme.  In a nation where the Tea Party is now a far more toxic brand than Obama, due to their insanity over the debt ceiling issue, it would seem crazy to nominate a woman who S&P actually singled out as being a major part of the responsibility for the downgrade merely two days ago.  (Their spokesmen said that the cavalier attitude towards default by some in the GOP -- in particular the Congresspersons who said it would perfectly okay to move past the deadline without a raise in the ceiling -- was a key part of their decision.  Guess who that refers to?  Yup, it was Michele Bachmann who was saying stupid shit like that for vulgar electoral advantage among financially illiterate morons in Iowa.) 

Furthermore, she has evinced absolutely no understanding of what it takes to accomplish anything on Capitol Hill.  "Leading from behind" the way she claims to have done -- by opposing anything and everything, now and forever -- is one thing when you're an incompetent junior back-bencher in Congress, but the job of President of the United States requires an ability to bring people together and (yes, I know it's such a hateful word, but it's fucking true) COMPROMISE.  What happens if the GOP loses the House again next year because of the Tea Party's unpopularity, as now looks possible in Gallup's poll?  How is Michele Bachmann going to face down all these massive issues in America with a Democratic congress?  Will she just do nothing and blame them for everything?  Congratulations, you've elected the new Obama!  Which we all said she was!

138 Perry called it a "Contrived Phony mess that is collapsing under its own weight".

139 I don't see anyone explaining to me how Bachmann will overcome her lack of experience. All I'm seeing is other people getting attacked when they try and explain why that kind of stuff matters. You people should try to convince us why we should support your candidate. Otherwise, why are you even here?

140 Perry slammed AGW alarmists a day or two ago.  I'll see if I can find the quote.  It was the strongest I've seen from any of the current or possible candidates.

Perry calls global warming "all one contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weight.

Bachmann also has a strong attack on the AGW scam.

141 140 Romney is the current front-runner because he has the highest profile.

Romney is dubbed the front-runner because the MSM says so.
His performance in yesterday's straw poll is reality.

142 Thank you Jeff B. Thank you.

143 Well, at least this isn't a purity argument.

144 I like how these idiots just say shit and provide no examples. "But Michelle has been a leader with a response on any current issue! Long before anyone else!" Really? Examples please!!!

145 @149 q.e.d.  Front runner status in politics is perception, not reality, and the media thumbs on the scales still matter, thought not as much as it once did.  One straw poll is not enough to counter that perception.  Anyone here have their opinions changed on candidates by the polls yesterday?  Anyone?  Bueller?

146 And now you're trying to make shit up and call her a follower.  WTF?  Bachmann has always been one of the first conservatives out with a response to the current issue.  Long before just about everyone else.

I didn't call her a follower.

You're too unhinged to comprehend what anyone who disagrees with you is saying.  Take a pill. 

147 A Beta Male like T-Paw can't win this time out.

148 Hey, Bachmann and Palin supporters lemme ask you something. What, in your opinion, are your candidates weaknesses?

149 It's easy to be the voice of No. What's more important to me is can you come up with workable solutions. I'm not looking for an ideologue but a problem solver. Others have no problem cutting their nose off to spite their face. I guess we need those people to keep people like me in line. I don't have a problem with that.

150 They won't fan me and feed me grapes as I cook them a brisket!

151 It's gonna be a loooooong 15 months.....

152 Really? Examples please!!!

Michele Bachmann

Cap and Trade/AGW

Bachmann has always been a very outspoken opponent of Crap and Tax and she hasnÂ’t minced words on it either. Her deeds also match the words as she voted against the crap and tax bill. (Note there were 8 Republican DIABLO traitors who crossed the aisle to vote for that bill allowing it to pass. 50 Democrats voted against it)

Here is a column from Hotair on the passing of that bill

Although AGW itself wasnÂ’t mentioned in the last debate she threw this little bit of red meat out there:

HereÂ’s the other thing.  Every time the liberals get into office, they pass an omnibus bill of big spending projects.  What we need to do is pass the mother of all repeal bills, but itÂ’s the repeal bill that will get a job killing regulations.  And I would begin with the EPA, because there is no other agency like the EPA.  It should really be renamed the job-killing organization of America .

She isnÂ’t afraid to attack the things conservatives hate. This is probably her biggest strength with conservatives.

She gets a big plus on this score

Gun Control

Bachmann is solidly pro-second amendment in words and votes. She has received the endorsement of the NRA and has an “A” rating from them.

She gets a plus here

Small government in general (spending and regulation)

On taxes, what can you say, she set up the Tea Party Caucus in the House. She is also a former tax lawyer so you could say she is an expert on taxes. She has been roundly attacked for her call to repeal ALL capital gains taxes. She has consistently voted to lower taxes and to try to make them more fair. From what I can tell from the On the Issues site she would like a flat tax:

Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words--the length of the original Constitution.

On spending she is mostly good. She voted against the original porkulous package but she voted for the “additional stimulus” later in July. She voted no on the GM/Chrysler bailouts, she voted no on cash for clunkers, she voted no on the 60B “jobs” bill. In fact, it looks like she has voted against every spending bill the Dems have pushed other than the second stimulus package in July 2009. One wonders what was in that bill?  She is also signed on to the balanced budget amendment pledge. Overall she is a budget hawk.

On government regulations she has consistently voted against increased regulation. The quote above on the EPA is a perfect example. She has advocated ALL federal agencies be audited for reform or total elimination. (Damn she sounds a lot like me).

On FNS she did walkback her 10th amendment stance on the gay marriage issue.

She tried to take both sides of the issue. This takes back some of her small government stuff, but not enough to walk it all the way back totally. 

Overall she is exactly what you would expect from a Tea Party advocate. She gets a plus here.

Socialized Healthcare

LOL, she has been a strong advocate of total repeal of Obamacare. She also voted against SCHIP. A prime quote from the debate:

I was the very first member of Congress to introduce the full-scale repeal of Obamacare.  And I want to make a promise to everyone watching tonight:  As president of the United States , I will not rest until I repeal Obamacare.  ItÂ’s a promise.  Take it to the bank, cash the check.  IÂ’ll make sure that that happens.

She gets a plus here.

Border control/Amnesty

She has consistently called for closing the borders and spoken out against amnesty.  I could find nothing on the 2006 McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill but that isnÂ’t surprising. That bill really started in 2005 and she didnÂ’t enter the House until 2006. In addition, when it became apparent that the Republican base was up in arms over that bill and even the Dems were not happy with it it was never brought to the floor in the House.

IÂ’ll give her a plus here.

Abortion

She is firmly and totally prolife. She had the best statement I have ever heard from a candidate when the CNN asshole tried to trip her uip on that score:

BACHMANN: I am 100 percent pro-life. IÂ’ve given birth to five babies, and IÂ’ve taken 23 foster children into my home. I believe in the dignity of life from conception until natural death. I believe in the sanctity of human life.

And I think the most eloquent words ever written were those in our Declaration of Independence that said itÂ’s a creator who endowed us with inalienable rights given to us from God, not from government. And the beauty of that is that government cannot take those rights away. Only God can give, and only God can take.

And the first of those rights is life. And I stand for that right. I stand for the right to life. The very few cases that deal with those exceptions are the very tiniest of fraction of cases, and yet they get all the attention. Where all of the firepower is and where the real battle is, is on the general — genuine issue of taking an innocent human life. I stand for life from conception until natural death.

She gets a plus here

Summary

She is plus in all 6 categories and is easily the most conservative candidate based on the above 6 issues.  Ron Paul also had pluses on the above issues but Bachmann is stronger than Paul and doesnÂ’t have the major negatives that Paul drags with him. She currently has only one negative that I count and that is her campaign manager.

153 What, in your opinion, are your candidates weaknesses?

Bachmann and Palin are very weak organizationally.

154 It's gonna be a loooooong 15 months.....

Posted by: Tami at August 14, 2011 11:03 AM (X6akg)

Word.

155 Vic? Any weaknesses with Bachmann?

156 I would like to see everyone's top 4 candidates, in order. 

As it stands now, mine is Perry >>>> Romney > Bachmann >> Santorum. 

157 Is this the witch convention, or am I late?

158 It's gonna be a loooooong 15 months.....

I picked a great time to quit Xanax.

159 What's Bachmann's leadership position in the House?  I recall her vying for something, but I thought she dropped out. 

I see no prospect of her being the next Speaker. 

Let me be clear.  There are things I like about Bachmann and I think she has improved her campaign.  She's just not prepared to be President yet.  I'm not sure staying in the House as the minority voice of true conservatism is the path to becoming prepared, either. 

160 He hasn't been a Georgian for a long time--he's been all DC for 20 years. Posted by: kelley in virginia at August 14, 2011 10:53 AM (VIqi1) Newt's too much of a loose cannon to go the distance. His campaign started imploding before Iowa, and he won't place there or in New Hampshire, which makes him weak going into South Carolina. It will be a shock, if he makes it that far.

161 155 A Beta Male like T-Paw can't win this time out. Posted by: SurferDoc at August 14, 2011 11:02 AM (STdkO) --------------------------------------------------- That's right. I think the mood on our side is that we want someone who recognizes that liberalism must be killed and buried under a cement sarcophagus for eternity.

162 156 Hey, Bachmann and Palin supporters lemme ask you something. What, in your opinion, are your candidates weaknesses?

Posted by: Joffen at August 14, 2011 11:02 AM (ym2cX)

Apparently their weakness is their reproductive organs. To some.

163  It's gonna be a loooooong 15 months.....

Posted by: Tami at August 14, 2011 11:03 AM (X6akg)

Judging by the economic and political events of the last 10 days, a very, very, very loooooong 15 months.

164 Vic? Any weaknesses with Bachmann?

Posted by: Joffen at August 14, 2011 11:06 AM (ym2cX)

She speaks her mind w/o hitting the assholes like Wallace who never pose anything but "gottcha" questions. Even Newt has started firing back at that.

You will notice that we have had 3 debates now and not a single damn question on AGW.  One wonders why that is?

She also voted for the second stimulus (as did a lot of Republicans) but that goes against everything she stands for. (She did vote against the first)

165 I think both Bachman and Palin face:

1) MSM hatred and
2) General mysogyny

I do think they can win is spite of both because Obungler doesn't learn from mistakes and doubles down on his worst moves. He will have put himself even deeper in the shitter by Election Day.

166 bachmann is great but she has been vilified by the press.  however, not as vilified as SP.

167 Aside from JeffB., I haven't read a lot of hate directed at Bachmann.  And the cries of sexism are really pathetic. 

168 Is it just me or did I just see some Bachmann and Palin nuts say that the only weaknesses their candidate has is with their campaign manager and organization. Did I read that correctly?

169 Fox thought her organization in Iowa was strong yesterday. So where is this "weak organization" stuff coming from?

170 T-Paw is quitting, stolen like everything else here from HA,

What? You think Hot Air broke some super-secret story?

171 @178
I believe tittehs were also cited as a weakness. 

Also, that both men and women "hate" them because they have tittehs. 

But they've got the amoeba vote sewn up. 

172

You will notice that we have had 3 debates now and not a single damn question on AGW.  One wonders why that is?

The debate is over.  The science is settled!  And bullshit!!

173 Didja watch David Gregory try to discredit Bachmann this morning, using her past public statements on gheys?

The asshole can be pretty relentless when going after a conservative, can't he? 

I thought she handled the interview well.

174 It is a now a two candidate race. Perry followed by Bachaman.

In fact, I think that will be the ticket for the GOP this time around.

175

I don't have time to ready all the pithy comments here...So, let me just say that the sooner the Republicans neck this posse down to the one or two who have a chance, the better.  Grandstanders, attention whores, and rent-seekers need to get out for the good of the country...Then we can go to work on Obozo with a giant set of pliers and blowtorch!  Teach that pencil-kneck maoist a lesson he will never forget!  Now, my apologies if this has been covered...

176

governors are generally the ones elected to the WH.  Bambi is an exception but he is sooooooooooo cool, plus he has that black/foreign thing that the young & the liberal just love.

ok, so who does that leave:  Romney, Perry,--who am I forgetting?

177 Her campaign manager is an asshole though and almost got her in some trouble. But it appears she stepped on his ass hard and straightened him out. 

178 Posted by: Vic at August 14, 2011 11:05 AM (M9Ie6) All that is fine, but you have someone exactly to the opposite of Obama with even less experience. In how many of those areas do you think she could affect change? I support Bachmann, because I believe she would end Obamacare. That's about the extent of it. 1. Perry 2. Huntsman 3. Palin 4. Bachmann 5. Paul

179 I love how some of you pathetic, weak, sniveling republicans are preemptively trying to blame yet another failure of your , "I'm for a slightly less big government than my opponent" on actual conservatives. To those who say a third part would automatically guarantee the Indonesian Imbecile's reelection, you are either disingenuous or completely ignorant oh history.

180 Vic: so the only weakness that Bachmann has is that she voted for the second stimulus? (There was a second one?)

181

2) General mysogyny

 

The Dog Whistle has been blown.

182 Hey, that's interesting that you like Perry, TdP.  You'd been putting Huntsman first, iirc. 

183 ending Obamacare & dissolving the EPA should be our 2 main issues.

184 It IS a two candidate race now, but Bachmann isn't one of those candidates.  It's Romney + Perry.  And anyone who thinks Bachmann will be on either one of those guys' tickets as VP is smoking something.  Her career dead-ends in the House of Representatives.  (It's telling that she's the sort of person who could never, ever, win a statewide election in her home state.)

185

159It's gonna be a loooooong 15 months.....
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Not as long as the last time around. I seem to remember there was about a 3 minute pause in campaigning after Bush won the second term.

186 How about T-Paw as a VP pick? Any thoughts?

187 She has less experience than Obama? She has more actually. And I don't count his experience as President. He has spent more time on the golf course and in AF1 than he has in the oval office.

188 I don't have four just Perry and Bachman, the rest might as well go fishing.

189 That's too bad.  It is way early.  I would like to see as many people as possible stay in and spread the message.  But money leads politics.

190 Yes there was a second stimulus and they are trying for a third.

191

194  And anyone who thinks Bachmann will be on either one of those guys' tickets as VP is smoking something. 

--

Damn bogarters!

192 The Dog Whistle has been blown

I hate myself.

Or I'm an ugly jealous feminist. 

Or something. 

It couldn't possibly be that Perry is better prepared for the presidency based on his experience, accomplishments, and campaign style. 


You know, I seriously doubt that Rep. Bachmann would accuse me of sexism if we sat down and talked about her candidacy. 

193 yet Jeff, she won Iowa's poll and put Tpaw out of the race.

Romney is now the third option for the GOP.

194 ending Obamacare & dissolving the EPA should be our 2 main issues.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at August 14, 2011 11:16 AM (VIqi1)

You should be for Bachmann then. She is the only candidate who has called for abolishing the EPA and Obamacare.

195 bachman shut "dick" greggory down on meet the press.....perry is my guy though

196 Bachmann is looking better for having utterly destroyed Pawlenty in the debate.

197 Now a few more of them need to drop out as well. They will continue to spend precious GOP bucks and divide the loyalties to the ultimate cause of kicking the crap out of The Won.

For every dollar I contributed to Teh Fred last time it was one less dollar I had to spend on other candidates or races.

Tpaw would make a fine VP.

198

Nothing like ramen noodles for breakfast, sprinkled with a very slight dusting of crushed bhut jalokia. mmmm

 

As you were....

199 Ok Vic are you going to answer my question about Bachmann? Is there anything you don't like about her?

200 Perry is my choice for the nomination.

The elections will be about jobs. Not the EPA. Nor Obamacare.

Jobs. Period.

201 For me, right now, Perry, as Palin hasn't declared.  I'd support either one.  The other candidates do absolutely nothing for me, politically, intellectually or emotionally.  All the others have going for them is comparison to Obama, and that's a hell of a way to have to make a choice for President.  I'll do it, if I have to, but I don't have to be happy about it.

202

We're trying to win an election, not a debate--rules of fair play do not necessarily apply, and almost certainly don't running against an incumbent who believes in BOTH Chicago ways (vote early and often, and the whole Untouchables thing) and will have the MBM on his side.  Concerns about whether sexism would make Bachmann unelectable cause Bachmann to lose may prove to be wrong, but they are not unfounded, nor should they be dismissed out of hand.  I stand by my concerns, and anyone who calls me out as sexist a) is wrong; and b) missed the whole point of why I am concerned.

I like a lot of her stances on issues--but being a rep in the House, even if leading the Tea Party caucus, is not on par with serving as governor.  Executive experience does matter, and she does not have enough of it from where I'm sitting.

203 Bachmann is looking better for having utterly destroyed Pawlenty in the debate.

I'm not so sure he didn't destroy himself.

204

Posted by: kelley in virginia at August 14, 2011 11:14 AM (VIqi1)

Gary Johnson was gov. of New Mexico. He ought to be a stronger candidate (on paper, anyway) but he has a number of RINO positions and a whole lot of dope-smoking standing in his way.

205

Yes there was a second stimulus and they are trying for a third.

 

About time.  We didn't spend nearly enough the first two times around.  This was Obama's only real failure in his First Term.

206 And I don't count his experience as President.

But most voters will.  That's the point, Vic. 

It is foolish to run against Obama's experience now that he's the incumbent.  We have to run on results.  Perry has the best results to counter Obama. 

I am picturing, with glee, the moment when Obama rattles off "jobs created" numbers and Perry corrects those to remove the Texas jobs AND puts up his own numbers. 

No legislator can point to that the way a governor can. 

207

207Now a few more of them need to drop out as well. They will continue to spend precious GOP bucks and divide the loyalties to the ultimate cause of kicking the crap out of The Won.

For every dollar I contributed to Teh Fred last time it was one less dollar I had to spend on other candidates or races.

Tpaw would make a fine VP.
----

I thought the GOP waited until primaries were over to unload the bank.

208 Pawlenty as VP would attract Midwestern votes. My problem with Pawlenty is that he's just not very good on the stump. A Veep candidate has to campaign too.

209 Ok Vic are you going to answer my question about Bachmann? Is there anything you don't like about her?

I did answer it.

As for "don't like her" no. She is a little more religious than me but that doesn't bother me a bit.

210 >>>yet Jeff, she won Iowa's poll and put Tpaw out of the race.

>>>Romney is now the third option for the GOP.

No, Romney is the first choice for the GOP, still, and Perry is a strong second who may well soon push his way into first.  Bachmann is no more in the "top two choices" for the GOP than Mike Huckabee was in 2008.  If you recall, he actually WON the IA caucuses (something which Bachmann has yet to do) and was quickly sidelined as the race became McCain vs. Romney. 

211 Y-not, you signed up on Perry's website yesterday, right?  Have you gotten any e-mail back yet?  I haven't.

212

Posted by: Vic at August 14, 2011 11:17 AM (M9Ie6)

Would someone tell this cocksucker to get his feet off me?

213

"T-Paw would make a fine VP"

---

If being seen and not heard was the criteria. I'd rather have Rubio, now that Borack has set the precedence that you don't need to be a natural born citizen, and no one has standing to even ask.

214 joffen....why do you "hate" bachman?

215 Pawlenty as VP would attract Midwestern votes. My problem with Pawlenty is that he's just not very good on the stump. A Veep candidate has to campaign too.

It's not like the guy has never won an election.

Well, I'm wondering if Perry's handlers could improve his performance. Unlike McCain, Perry won't muzzle his pit bull, but will encourage him with lots of red meat.

216 Well that is too bad.  I liked T-Paw.  I liked how he stood out initially in the beginning as wanting to make "tough choices".    Too bad he didn't keep on that same thing, I think he would have received some traction.  Perhaps the handlers and consultants got to him.

217

Nothing like ramen noodles for breakfast, sprinkled with a very slight dusting of crushed bhut jalokia. mmmm

 

As you were....

Posted by: Jimmah at August 14, 2011 11:20 AM (TfRqk)

 

Where'd you pick up the ghost pepper?

218 No, T-Paw is not VP material.  A VP has to be ruthless.

219 221 Y-not, you signed up on Perry's website yesterday, right?  Have you gotten any e-mail back yet?  I haven't.

No.  And I also signed up at the Americans for Perry website.  That one was specifically for volunteering.  I'm concerned about that group - and hope Perry's org steps up quickly and replaces that one - because their web form was all screwed up.  There was no space to enter city, for example, and there were some other weird things about it (such as requiring "organization or company").  So they had a kid or someone who knows nothing about databases design their form. 

220 Pawlenty would make a fine VP, just as he would have made a genuinely good President, but the real test for VP is twofold: 1.) Do they bring any electoral advantages to the ticket? 2.) Can they be an effective attack dog for the Prez nominee?

In both cases I think Pawlenty is less valuable than someone like Rubio, who as a hispanic and as Senator from Florida brings two key electoral advantages, and who looks to be a much better 'message guy' on the hustings.

221 Tami, That "no" was no to the email.  I did sign up as you had concluded. 

222 If being seen and not heard was the criteria. I'd rather have Rubio, now that Borack has set the precedence that you don't need to be a natural born citizen, and no one has standing to even ask.


I'm not so sure pulling Rubio out of congress right now would be such a good idea. We need those guys, too.

223 Romney will not win the nomination. He is as inspiring as a wet sponge, and Perry will hang MassaCare around his neck every chance he gets. That will play well in the primaries.

Romney could not win the nomination over McCain.

Perry is significantly more formidable than McCain, in case you haven't noticed that fact.

224 Hey, that's interesting that you like Perry, TdP. You'd been putting Huntsman first, iirc. Posted by: Y-not at August 14, 2011 11:16 AM (5H6zj) Huntsman has not stepped up his game despite numerous entreaties from his supporters. Weaver is a good fit, but there still seems to be chaos there. Why does he still not have a policy advisor? Why is he more sedate on the campaign trail than Fred Thompson? Why does he still sound like he is running as Obama's primary challenger instead of as a conservative? On the last point, he was so far seemingly the only challenger to Romney's left, but as someone who wants to see that crapweasle run out of yet another GOP primary, I'm not sure that is a good thing. Anyway, my support for Huntsman was that I saw him as the most likely challenger to Romney, but Perry looks like he has fire in his belly.

225 I like a lot of her stances on issues--but being a rep in the House, even if leading the Tea Party caucus, is not on par with serving as governor.  Executive experience does matter, and she does not have enough of it from where I'm sitting.

Absolutely fucking right.  Goal #1 is to get rid of Obama.  We need to put someone up there who actually has executive experience.

226 though I personally am not bothered, does anyone think that Rick Perry might be too religious?  how would that work in Ohio?  or will the Ohio & other rust belt people care only/hear only the jobs message?

227

nominate a woman who S&P actually singled out as being a major part of the responsibility for the downgrade merely two days ago. (Their spokesmen said that the cavalier attitude towards default by some in the GOP -- in particular the Congresspersons who said it would perfectly okay to move past the deadline without a raise in the ceiling -- was a key part of their decision. Guess who that refers to? Yup, it was Michele Bachmann who was saying stupid shit like that for vulgar electoral advantage among financially illiterate morons in Iowa.) 

 

Cram it up your cramhole, JeffB.

So Bachmann & the rest of the Tea Party reps were playing "bad cop" in the debt debate, and you're going to the Axelrod talking points to blame them for the downgrade?  And if they'd chimed in that raising the ceiling was more important than actually achieving ANY fucking spending cuts, you would credit them for playing good politics?  Sometimes you have to forego the safe play to do what's right.

228 Pawlenty wasn't great, but he was basically a blank slate and gave independents no reason to vote against him.

His blandness was also a strength in that he would have been difficult to Alinsky.

229 Ok, thanks Vic. I'm done with you. No candidate is perfect. You like "everything" about her? You're a fucking loon. Go away. I'm crazy about Perry but there's a bunch of things that I don't like about some of his positions. The fact that you can say you don't find anything wrong with Bachmann while other people have given you excellent reasons why she wouldn't be the best candidate shows me that you are crazy or insincere. This goes for other people, too. The sincere supporters of Perry or Mitt can try to sell you on their candidate, warts and all, while the insincere ones just attack and don't even bother to defend an attack or criticism on their own candidate. It's insincere bullshit.

230 That will play well in the primaries. That will play well in the GE, as well. Obamacare remains as unpopular as ever.

231 There was no space to enter city, for example, and there were some other weird things about it (such as requiring "organization or company").

That's because it is for fundraising.

232 This goes for other people, too. The sincere supporters of Perry or Mitt can try to sell you on their candidate, warts and all, while the insincere ones just attack and don't even bother to defend an attack or criticism on their own candidate. It's insincere bullshit. + 10

233 The elections will be about jobs. Not the EPA. Nor Obamacare. Jobs. Period. Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 14, 2011 11:20 AM (99AU/) ---------------------------------------------------- Never underestimate those "Wrong Track/Right Track" polls. The direction of the country has more to do than with just jobs. But yes. It will be the economy #1.

234 y-not:  requiring "organization or company" on the volunteer website for Perry may be because donations require employment.  some volunteer is "in-kind" donation.  maybe that is why that question is there.

235 There was no space to enter city, for example, and there were some other weird things about it (such as requiring "organization or company").  So they had a kid or someone who knows nothing about databases design their form. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 14, 2011 11:25 AM (5H6zj)

I signed up at rickperry.org but I just went and looked at the 'Americans for Perry' website.  Under the 'Get Involved' tab there is a 'Volunteer your Time' option.  It does ask for your complete address.

236 joffen lol

237 You're a fucking loon. Go away.

Fuck you. You are an idiot troll. Your questions have been answered several times and you are either too stupid or too biased to read the answers.

238 tatoo I still think the jobs issue will over ride Obamacare. Especially since there won't be much improvement in that area for 18 months or so IF the estimates are correct.

Perry plays on that very well.

239 240,

Ok you can foad and gtfo now, you're full of shit.

240 Beafy Meatball (bZ8J6),
Ace banned someone for socking a regular (himself) and that person had actually modified the nic slightly (by capitalization, which ace usually doesn't do). 
Stop socking regulars (Joffen). 

241 156 Hey, Bachmann and Palin supporters lemme ask you something. What, in your opinion, are your candidates weaknesses?   I understand Palin's groupings pull a little to the right over 1500 yds. and her grizzly gravy is a little lumpy.   ...that's all I got.

242

Posted by: kelley in virginia at August 14, 2011 11:28 AM (VIqi1)

From where I am in NE Central Ohio, religion plays just fine. In fact, almost all surrounding suburbia is red. Columbus itself is a lost cause.

243 It does ask for your complete address.

Yes, but look at the fields and tell me how you do a normal mail-merge using their form. 

Also, it kicks you out if you don't enter an organization. 

244 Vic called me a troll lol I rest my case.

245 So have I been trying to answer a stupid sock? Banhammer time ace.

246 228 No, T-Paw is not VP material.  A VP has to be ruthless.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 14, 2011 11:25 AM (s7mIC)

What? A VP candidate or the actual VP? Cause the actual VP doesn't have to be anything other then informed and competent to stand in for the Pres.

247 i can't find anything wrong with bachman either.....i'm so freakin' impressed with how handles herself with the media....her background is IMPRESSIVE...

248 Also, it kicks you out if you don't enter an organization. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 14, 2011 11:33 AM (5H6zj)

Can you just put the word 'Individual' in that field?  Or blank spaces?

249 Vic, does Bachmann's gaffe-prone tendencies and her rather "erratic" behavior (hiding in bushes to spy on a gay rights conference? srsly?) not bother you?

250 What? A VP candidate or the actual VP?

I meant a VP candidate, yes, sorry.

251 257 So have I been trying to answer a stupid sock?

Nah, you're arguing with Joffen.  Meatball was #239. 

252 Posted by: chemjeff at August 14, 2011 11:35 AM (s7mIC)

Her gaffes weren't really gaffes in my opinion. As for "hiding in the bushes" are we going to start another COD set of lies?

You got a link to a primary source?

253

Glad Pawlenty dropped out, seems like a nice man, but if he can't even muster up a fight now, what would he have done against a chicago thug?

As for Bachmann, I hope she doesn't get the nomination, too many unknowns, is she qualified over Barry, heck yea, but she will not win against him once all her past statements are brought out, and all that campaign time is spent explaining them.

Romney, eh, I would vote for any repub candidate next year, but with Romney, he seems too slick, too much of a scared man sometimes, will he fight back hard? I don't see it. I remember in 2008, in the repub primaries, Mccain and he were sitting around a table during a debate, and Mccain made some harsh comment, and Romney stuttered, couldn't fight back. This is not someone I see fighting back hard against the Chicago thug.

That leaves Perry, I really liked his speech, simple and to the point, he's from a dirt poor family, father a veteran, and best of all, I see in him the ability and desire to fight hard and often. Heck his speech yesterday itself, he was going after Barry very harshly, and that was just one speech. Also, he was a conservative dem in the 80's, I think many independents can relate to that, and so can many dems.

I wants someone who can beat President Man-child, I think Perry is that person, I don't think Romney, Bachmann can, if either wins the nominee instead of Perry, I plan on campainging for them, fundraising for them, voting for them. Not really tied to any one candidate, more concerned about making sure Barry is kicked out of the WH next november 2012.

254 Can you just put the word 'Individual' in that field?  Or blank spaces?

Yeah, it'll take "none." Nothing kicks it out.

The lack of city line is more of an issue (their address labels will be wonky), but the other thing is symptomatic that they don't have the person using the data working with the person making the form. 

Anyway, I expect soon that group will be replaced by a Perry volunteer management presence. 

I'm looking forward to volunteering.  Even though we are red here, Utah could be in play because it tilts so heavily Romney. 

255 And just in case people think I am a Bachmann fanatic, she is not the only one on my short list.

256 >>>her background is IMPRESSIVE...

What is impressive about her background?  She was a junior tax attorney/collector for the IRS (!) before becoming a back-bencher in the MN state house and then a back-bencher in Congress.  I just don't see it.  Her supporters keep saying stuff like this as if they think that, by repeating it often enough, they can affect perceptions to the point where it will suddenly become magically true.  But the truth is that there is nothing in her background that is particularly impressive from the point of view of someone who would be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 

257 266 john recent ex dem did you vote for obama? if so why....if not why....asking honestly not to be snitty.....

258 >>>Watch out, it's the sock police!

He's not kidding.  Do it again and you're going to get banned.

259 His blandness was also a strength in that he would have been difficult to Alinsky. Posted by: Jose at August 14, 2011 11:29 AM (WTNJJ) My ideal generic Republican candidate would be Thune, and I would love to see Santorum drop out and Thune get in as the token senator. He actually creates a stark visual contrast to Obama, which is important. A big reason Obama won before was he was as far in looks and biography from Bush as possible; McCain could never distinguish himself as a candidate, so Obama ran successful against a weak incumbent. The financial collapse and McCain's response solidified this impression. So, Thune is taller than Obama, has midwestern Robert Redford good looks and a reputation as a giant killer after defeating Daschle. Santorum is a reminder of bad years for Republicans. It would be great to see Palin get in, too, because she is positive, enthusiastic and hates Obama's guts. She terrifies the left, but that doesn't mean she can win. But I prefer her to Gingrich. Gingrich, Pawlenty and Santorum out; then Palin, Thune and Perry in is a better field imo. Cain will not stay in long, either, but I don't mind him except he sounds like an idiot. Sorry, but he has the same verbal ticks people criticize Palin for, but worse. I cringe every time he uses nonexistent words or the wrong ones altogether, and you should drink every time he uses a train metaphor in a debate. He's the GOP's Joe Biden, but he reenforces the perception that Obama is the smartest black guy around.

260 Good luck getting something that resembles an intelligent response Jeff B.

261 >>>Her gaffes weren't really gaffes in my opinion.

Unfortunately YOUR opinion isn't the standard we're using here.  They were gaffes in the opinion of enough people who are voters (including a significant amount of conservatives and Republicans, which is telling).

262 How about Paul Ryan as VP? The economy is going to be a primary concern in the election, and he already has name recognition.

263 yes jeff b. the only standard we should use is your gf and her mothers........

264 Ryan needs to stay in the House and help remove Boehner as Speaker.

He would, however, be effective in the VP slot.

265

"did you vote for obama? "

No. I voted for Hillary in the primaries, and then went to campaign for Mccain/Palin, voted for them.  I'm a pretty conservative democrat, or rather was one, voted for Bill Clinton both times, I voted for Reagan both times. Now I'm just an independent, the "democratic" party is extremely left now, in the marxist region, there is no place for moderates, let alone conservative dems. People don't realise how small the number of dems have gotten, so the lunancy is getting more concentrated, anyone with any level of sanity or independence have already fled the party.

266 Barky should be impeached for single-handedly calling the integrity of US debt into question. Huntsman deserves credit for pointing this out during the debate. I admire his sticking to policy and skipping the showboating.

267 @276
The consensus seems to be he's too valuable where he is (something I don't ever hear about Bachmann, btw) and some concern that he's politically toxic.  I actually don't buy the second argument myself. 

268 How about Paul Ryan as VP? The economy is going to be a primary concern in the election, and he already has name recognition.
Posted by: museisluse at August 14, 2011 11:44 AM

Bring him on! 

269 >>>/rant

I wish you and Michele Bachmann luck in trying to convince independent voters with your frothy-mouthed rant.  As far as they're concerned -- and I know this pisses you off, just as it pisses me off to a certain extent -- the Tea Party and its GOP congressional representatives share responsibility for the downgrade with Obama. 

And S&P's quote about "certain members of Congress talking openly about the desirability of missing the debt ceiling" is going to fit very nicely next to Michele Bachmann's many quotes and unconscionably stupid votes to that extent (this is a woman who voted against CUT CAP & BALANCE FOR FUCK'S SAKE) in a campaign ad.  A devastatingly effective ad.

Your rant won't.

270 Vic called me a troll lol I rest my case. Posted by: Joffen at August 14, 2011 11:34 AM (ym2cX) He calls everyone that. Accept it and wear that badge with honor.

271 231 Tami, That "no" was no to the email. I did sign up as you had concluded. Posted by: Y-not at August 14, 2011 11:26 AM (5H6zj) ------------------------------------------------ Give it some time ladies (hearing back from Perry 2012). I signed up with McCotter and it took 5 days to hear from him. And he wasn't dealing with the numbers of subscribers that Perry is dealing with right now.

272   She terrifies the left, but that doesn't mean she can win. But I prefer her to Gingrich.

 

Yeah, all Newt brings is facts and stuff.  People hate that shit. 

Besides, the unwashed masses don't need to know what real, effective, change would entail (as far as actual policy goes).

Better to have Palin. 

 

273 I outnumber you now, Joffen.

274 Newt really brought the facts when he made that commercial with Pelosi. Oh wait.

275 Vic:

http://tinyurl.com/5fs8lx

Also:
she confused John Wayne with John Wayne Gacy
she mistook John Quincy Adams for a Founding Father
she thought Lexington and Concord, of Revolutionary War fame, were in New Hampshire

sure these are all mistakes that can be easily explained away but collectively they create a Biden-esque impression

276 Time for some red meat:  Allen West drops the hammer on Ron Paul

277 I thought the GOP waited until primaries were over to unload the bank.

They are getting their money from dollars directed to GOP causes. Presently, those dollars are being split amongst several candidates who have no shot. Whatever the method or source of distribution, in this economy, there are just so many of those dollars anyone can part with.

Somebody, somewhere down the line, is paying for their scooting around the country. When the POS in charge is going to run a $1B dollar campaign, we need to be frugal with how and where our dollars are spent.

278 Bachmann cannot beat Obama.

The Newsweek cover photo and the David Gregory attack-interview this morning on MTP are just mild foretastes of the shitstorm of attacks the JEF's campaign and his MFM collaborators would throw at her.  She would fare worse than McCain in the electoral vote count.

We need someone that can win, and I'm leery of Mitten's prospects for that, also.

Can Perry win?  Time will tell.  It is far too early to say, just one day after his announcement.

279 On the money side Haley Barbour had a good bit of cash lined up for himself if he made a run. After all, he was head of the Governor's association and the RNC back in the day, and had a pretty ferocious ability to raise money.

Barbour is pretty tight with Perry. Plus Perry had a ton of supporters with money in Texas.

280

Newt really brought the facts when he made that commercial with Pelosi.

 

Are you fucking serious?   Nobody is saying Newt can win. Or that he's a preferred candidate.   

However, as a Primary opponent, Newt brings real policy to the debate.  Name one other candidate that has a cogent plan, their own, for turning the economy around. 

Newt is a net bennefit as a candidate. 

Sarah is a net loss.  She's a lot llike Ron Paul.  She's polarizing and ineffectual outside of social media.

281 228 No, T-Paw is not VP material.  A VP has to be ruthless.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 14, 2011 11:25 AM (s7mIC)

A VP candidate, you mean.  Yeah, but Perry has that ruthlessness and he may choose not to be Good Cop in this particular campaign.  I know it goes against Conventional Wisdom. He may feel like he has to take it to Obama himself and the VP would be the Good Cop.

I don't remember the 1980 campaign (I was 7) but it seems to me that Reagan was the conservative stalwart and Bush was the squishy moderate and that Reagan was on record eviscerating Carter.  But Bush actually attacked Reagan in a devastating way (he coined the term "voodoo economics") so maybe he was off bashing Carter.

Perry would like to have somebody who reassures people who are turned off by a Texan and a midwesterner would be a boost.  As far as ruthlessness, Pawlenty would be given the lines to say and would be coached on how to say it, he's not bad at this and could be trained.

You know who would be great for VP?  Thad McCotter.  You just can't hate the guy and when he gets going, he has real passion.  He had a great speech, but unfortunately, it was after almost everyone had voted (and followed by an even better speech by Cain).

Bobby Jindal would be a nice choice for Perry, maybe even Mitch Daniels.  I don't think Paul Ryan would take the job, but if you're going to be tagged with the Ryan plan, why not have the one guy on board who can explain it?

Romney would need a stalwart conservative firebrand.

282 >>>Posted by: chemjeff at August 14, 2011 11:51 AM (s7mIC)

How many times do you think Obama's team is going to run the photo seen in your link, of Bachmann KISSING GEORGE W. BUSH FULL ON THE LIPS?

Damn, that's...really, really strange.  In terms of inconvenient political symbolism, it also happens to be even worse than the infamous "hug" pictures that got Joe Lieberman and Charlie Crist destroyed in their primaries. 

283 Good morning Lo and Behold. Some night we had last night, eh?

284 sen. lieberman....nuff said

285 crist was orange....and people don't vote for orange

286 How about Paul Ryan as VP? The economy is going to be a primary concern in the election, and he already has name recognition.
Posted by: museisluse at August 14, 2011 11:44 AM


He's more valuable where he is than as a neutered statesman.

287 and orange rinos? f'getaboutit....

288 crist was orange....and people don't vote for orange

Ahem.

289 How many times do you think Obama's team is going to run the photo seen in your link, of Bachmann KISSING GEORGE W. BUSH FULL ON THE LIPS?

god I didn't even notice that it was a kiss with Bush
oh my freakin lord

290 Good morning Lo and Behold. Some night we had last night, eh?

That was some thread!

291 As I have maintained, the downgrade can only be reasonably interpreted in one way (other than political) and that is that the US is no longer a AAA nation solely because of the F person in the White House.

But that's just not true as a factual matter.  We have ~$15T in debt.  Not all of it was run up by Obama.

292 >>>god I didn't even notice that it was a kiss with Bush
>>>oh my freakin lord

That, to me, is pretty much as close to an "automatic campaign fatality" as Newt Gingrich sitting down next to Nancy Pelosi to endorse climate change legislation. 

She really is a weird, weird person.  And not Mitt Romney "weird," but authentically bizarre.  I loved the other photo, of her crouching in the bushes and hiding from the gay pride parade.

293 A VP candidate, you mean.

You are correct. There is a real distinction to be made there.

294 301 How about Paul Ryan as VP? The economy is going to be a primary concern in the election, and he already has name recognition.
Posted by: museisluse at August 14, 2011 11:44 AM


He's more valuable where he is than as a neutered statesman.

Posted by: Lo and Behold! at August 14, 2011 11:58 AM (piMMO)

Okay then, how about Thune?

295 Time for some red meat:  Allen West drops the hammer on Ron Paul

Posted by: Y-not at August 14, 2011 11:51 AM (5H6zj)

That was excellent Y-not, thanks for posting the link.

West must be involved in the next Republican Administration.

296 The real news is, does bubblegum actually stay inside your body left undigested for 7 years?  We will explore that question next here on our Sunday 'medical' segment.

Feel dumb yet? no? wait til we show our economic shows with the 'democratic strategist' on the panel!  We try to shove as much stupid in as possible! (but why not! everyone knows econ 101 says you give free shit to everyone! tell me were i'm wrong!)

Fair and Balanced ...... with stupid

Ohhh wrong thread! darn i'm retarded

297 I understand Palin's groupings pull a little to the right over 1500 yds. and her grizzly gravy is a little lumpy.   ...that's all I got.

Well, she can pick up a club and brain a 150 lb. halibut a-flopping in a boat.  No mean feat, that.

298 227

Nothing like ramen noodles for breakfast, sprinkled with a very slight dusting of crushed bhut jalokia. mmmm

 

As you were....

Posted by: Jimmah at August 14, 2011 11:20 AM (TfRqk)

 

Where'd you pick up the ghost pepper?

---

Grew it from seed, dried out and crushed the first harvest last night in the oven. Don't recall what site I got the seeds from. The stuff is DEADLY. Half hour later I can still feel it and I put just a miniscule amount in. Good taste, no aftertaste like habanero.

But to get already grown peppers I think this site is legit

CombustionEdibles on facebook

299 312 The real news is, does bubblegum actually stay inside your body left undigested for 7 years? We will explore that question next here on our Sunday 'medical' segment.
______________

Does your chewing gum lose its flavor on the bedpost overnight?
When your mother says "don't chew it", do you swallow it in spite?
(And you catch it on your tonsils and you heave it left and right)
Does your chewing gum lose its flavor on the bedpost overnight?

300 CombustionEdibles on facebook

Posted by: Jimmah at August 14, 2011 12:06 PM (TfRqk)

Good stuff, thanks Jimmah. I'm a big time foodie so by nature, I must have this.

301 Surprised nobody brought this up yet:
here's what one of the powerline guys thinks about Pawlenty's decision to quit

(via Instapundit)

302

Well, she can pick up a club and brain a 150 lb. halibut a-flopping in a boat.  No mean feat, that.

 

Are you fucking joking? 

I mean, at least she was able to hit the Halibut...but really? 

This impresses you?  Why?

303 pregnant? or did you just swallow a watermelon seed?

304

"I loved the other photo, of her crouching in the bushes and hiding from the gay pride parade."

Is this really true?  is there a link to this photo?

305 mullet, business in the front, party in the back? or just the result having to cut your hair when you stuck the gum behind your ear?

306 Is this really true?  is there a link to this photo?

see 290

307 she confused John Wayne with John Wayne Gacy

Posted by: chemjeff at August 14, 2011 11:51 AM (s7mIC)

No she didn't.  This one is the dirtiest and nastiest of lies.  This was invented, I believe, by Carl Cameron.

John Wayne's parents were born in Bachmann's hometown of Waterloo, Iowa.  She said that Wayne "came from" Waterloo, but by the time he was born, the family had moved to Winterset.

My guess is that she had grown up hearing the story that Wayne had roots in Waterloo and by the time she'd become an adult had conflated it in her mind.  It was Cameron (or somebody else) who found out that Gacy had lived for some time in Waterloo (but lived most of his life in Chicagoland, both before and after his sojourn to Iowa) and made the connection.

It was a ridiculous slur and, as you can see, it became an urban legend.

The other two are, yes, gaffes, although technically she only thought Concord, NH was the revolutionary Concord, MA.  I don't think she said anything about Lexington.

But for a long time as a teenager, I thought that Concord, NH (the only one you've ever heard of) was the Revolutionary war Concord.  I don't think I ever learned any corrections in school.

But, hell, I just blame my ignorance on my public school education. If I were Bachmann, I'd do that. I'd just blame all of my gaffes on American public education.

308 she confused John Wayne with John Wayne Gacy
she mistook John Quincy Adams for a Founding Father
she thought Lexington and Concord, of Revolutionary War fame, were in New Hampshire

She didn't confuse those two people, she confused the towns where they were born.

In any case you think Romney doesn't misspeak like that as well? These folks on the campaign trail speak 8 - 12 hours a day 7 days a week during campaign season. They are going to have an occasional lapse like this that is essentially meaningless.

Its just that during the primaries you only hear about it from the conservative candidates. Now I do differentiate these from Cain's stuff with the Muslims.

Initially those were billed as gaffes and I said at the time he was OK with appointments on that. But he continued to dig that hole even further (with the help of asshole Wallace). So Cain has dropped significantly on my short list. In fact he is just about off of it all together.

309 She really is a weird, weird person.  And not Mitt Romney "weird," but authentically bizarre.  I loved the other photo, of her crouching in the bushes and hiding from the gay pride parade.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 14, 2011 12:03 PM (hIWe1)

Sure it's fatal for a Presidential run but to serve in the House, so what? The left can have all kinds of whack jobs, Sanders, Waters, Hank Johnson, McKinney, Lee, etc. etc. and no one blinks an eye. No one is going to tell me Bachmann rises to the level of bat shittyness of those people.

310 AmishDude, okay I stand corrected on that one

311 Hate to say "I told you so."  Wait... No I don't!  I LOVE saying "I told you so!"

312 the kiss was on his cheek......jeez...yes...she's soooooooooo oddddddddd......weirdooooooo........bizarre.......oooooooooooooooooo booooga booooooooga!

313

#322 Thanks. Yes, weird. the thing is, that's just the what's known, what else is unknown -- she is still very new to the politican scene, there is something about her that makes me think there is much more of that from the past.  Yes, it can be explained away, but do I really want a candidate where most of the campaign time is spent explaining their past words, behavior rather than attacking Barry's destructive presidency?

Romney or Perry, my pick, seem much better choices.

314 Shannon Bream was just on Fox hitting up Perry for being an ex-Democrat. Note Fox doesn't like anyone to the right of Romney.

Expect the MFM to start hitting him hard now. And I include Fox in that category.

315 Bachmann is a flake.

316 Romney is a sure ticket to 4 more years of Obama.

317

"Shannon Bream was just on Fox hitting up Perry for being an ex-Democrat. "

So was Reagan.

318 Mr. Halibut is it true that you are just a glorified Fluke?

319 Vic did Bream mention that Reagan as well was a ex Democrat?

320 Expect the MFM to start hitting him hard now. And I include Fox in that category.

Posted by: Vic at August 14, 2011 12:19 PM (M9Ie6)

I expect Bachmann to start hitting Perry.

Her only path to the White House is as Romney's VP.

321 Romney is a sure ticket to 4 more years of Obama. Word.

322

So was Reagan.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at August 14, 2011 12:21 PM (ACkhT)

Yeah, what is funny about that is Perry has been a Republican longer than Reagan was when he ran as a Republican.

323 Vic did Bream mention that Reagan as well was a ex Democrat?

Of course not. Fox doesn't like conservatives at all.

324 Anybody But Obama And Paul

325 I expect Bachmann to start hitting Perry.

I don't think so unless he goes after her first.

326 Bwahahahaha! T-Paw is done. Michael Bay campaign ads hardest hit.

327

seems to me that Fox likes Romney, never noticed it until just recently, they don't like Palin, they don't seem to like Perry either.

oh and Perry as a conservative dem (when there were still such creatures) was more conservative than Romney as a republican.

328 As I said, the only rational explanation for US debt being less than AAA is because the untrustworthiness and stupidity and America-hate of the Indonesian in the White House.

Only if you hold Obama 100% responsible.  I agree that he deserves a lot of the blame.  I'm just saying, look at the big picture.  We wouldn't have a debt-to-GDP ratio of 100% in the first place if we hadn't had decades of overspending by both parties.

329 Pawlenty is an example of the media putting too much pressure on the candidates 9 months before the first official primaries...  He looks burnt out...  Of course the type of person that wins on the National state has an unnatural amount of energy, but this is still supposed to be organizing time with polling after Halloween....

330 "Shannon Bream was just on Fox hitting up Perry for being an ex-Democrat. " So was Reagan. --------------------------------------------------------- History to these airheads is trying to remember who snorted coke off their tits last night. Here we go: President Reagan Press Conference Sam Donaldson: "Mr. President, in talking about the continuing recession tonight you have blamed mistakes of the past, and you have blamed the Congress. Does any of the blame belong to you?" President Reagan: "Yes, because for many years I was a Democrat."

331 seems to me that Fox likes Romney, never noticed it until just recently, they don't like Palin, they don't seem to like Perry either.

They don't like Palin? You mean, other than they paying gig they gave her?

332 In any case you think Romney doesn't misspeak like that as well?

Not to that degree, no.  I think we would have heard about it if he had.

333 Yeah, all Newt brings is facts and stuff. People hate that shit. Fact's like, "That question is some Mickey Mouse shit." Palin gave him the Katie Couric Award for Media Indignation for that one.

334 seems to me that Fox likes Romney

All the MFM want to see Romney as the Republican. They see at the minimum a 3rd party candidate from the Tea Party if he is.

But if by some unfortunate thing he does win the primary they will on turn on him like rabid dogs. It will be McCain all over again, except Romney will not even have the military background to help him with the base.

335 Good afternoon rons, It's another beautiful day on Americas finest, most intelligent blog. Once again I read about the eternal search for the perfect, unblemished candidate. There isn't one. None of us are the same people we were 10-20 years ago, at least i'm not. I hope we stay focused on todays message and not snapshots of a life lived. The MSM will take care of those snapshots.

336 352 Yes, they want Romney because he is the least threat to Obama

337 Time to close this thread out. All these flame wars over candidates never change anyone's mind anyway.

338 "Shannon Bream was just on Fox hitting up Perry for being an ex-Democrat. "

Martha MacCallum is the best they've got over there. Alison Camerota is pretty good too but, every now and then, says something that makes you shake your head.

A couple of weeks ago she was interviewing a guy who had crashed landed his plane in Lake Huron(?). He tread water for about 16 hours before being rescued. The interview was going well when, at the end of the interview, she asked him if he would ever fly his plane again.

"My plane is at the bottom of the lake"

Oops!

339 Good afternoon rons, It's another beautiful day on Americas finest, most intelligent blog.

actually it is a beautiful day here in flyover country

I may actually log out and... take a walk!  *gasp*

340 All the MFM want to see Romney as the Republican. They see at the minimum a 3rd party candidate from the Tea Party if he is. --------------------------------------------------- They also see that RomneyCare can be hung around his neck, thus neutralizing him. They want our candidate on defense all the time. Romney gives them that.

341 I may actually log out and... take a walk! *gasp* That's a good Idea, I may join you, in spirit.

342 331 Shannon Bream was just on Fox hitting up Perry for being an ex-Democrat. Note Fox doesn't like anyone to the right of Romney.

Expect the MFM to start hitting him hard now. And I include Fox in that category.

Posted by: Vic at August 14, 2011 12:19 PM (M9Ie6)

It seems to me that Fox has taken a definite turn to the left in the last 3 months or so.  I wonder if this is the reason Beck left?  Fox won't even let him use audio from any of his shows, so I don't believe his whole 'it was my decision to leave' completely.  It may have been, but probably because he worked in a hostile environment.  I don't think he had many friends there besides O'reilly.  Hannity wouldn't even mention his name, and I've heard a few jabs from people on 'the five' that were about ratings and losing his show... funny coming from such a weak show.

Anyway.. has there been a change in upper management at Fox recently?  Somethings off.  The 'allstar' panel now repeats democrat talking points as if they are true now, like tax cuts 'add to the deficit', and 'eric holder makes decisions in a vacuum! you really think Obama tells him what to do? you're crazy!' and 'the gov't will DEFAULT!!! unless we get a deal'

That nonsense would have been laughed off the panel 2 years ago, now its common knowledge

343

357  I may actually log out and... take a walk!  *gasp*

would you rather take a cab? (eyes chemjeff's appleby cash)

344 Romney is what he is - a sail-trimmer, a negotiator, a man of consensus over principle.  

Would he be an improvement over Obama?  Bill Clinton's crab lice would be an improvement over Obama.  

So if Romney's the nominee I'll support him, but I'm still looking for an alternative.  

Perry may be it.

Palin is not; she's right on (almost) everything and is potentially a strong leader but she's still damaged goods as a candidate. 

Bachmann?  Sorry, no..  Policy's not bad but not convinced regarding executive skills or electability.

The rest of the GOP would-bes have shot their bolt. 

345 Can any (sane) person see a conservative Democrat voting for Bachmann or Palin?

346 Only if you hold Obama 100% responsible.  I agree that he deserves a lot of the blame.  I'm just saying, look at the big picture.  We wouldn't have a debt-to-GDP ratio of 100% in the first place if we hadn't had decades of overspending by both parties.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 14, 2011 12:27 PM (s7mIC)

I think it's like "partially blaming" yourself for going once to the corner grocery store because the tank is empty even though 7/8ths of it was burned by the teenager on a joyride.

I'm not saying that post-9/11 Bush was not irresponsible, but if you look at the deficit charts for the 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 deficits, the budget was due to be balanced in 2009. The 2008 budget (he first crafted by Pelosi and Reid) ballooned to insane proportions and then Obama made it astronomical in 2009.

The orders of magnitude are simply not comparable.

347 It seems to me that Fox has taken a definite turn to the left in the last 3 months or so. I wonder if this is the reason Beck left? --------------------------------------------------- Beck was losing it at the end. Thank God he left Fox and discovered judaism. He seems more at peace now. s/

348 would you rather take a cab? (eyes chemjeff's appleby cash)

Umm I'm not paying for a cab ride from Hawaii to Missouri, sorry

349

The 2008 budget (he first crafted by Pelosi and Reid) ballooned to insane proportions and then Obama made it astronomical in 2009.

 

It looks like a Honeymoon Pecker!

350 >>>Can any (sane) person see a conservative Democrat voting for Bachmann or Palin?

Why do you hate Sarah so much?  She's a star!  She's not retreating, she's reloading.  Wait until she really starts running, and you'll see!  People have been wrong about her, and she's going to convince them all otherwise!

351 Thank God he left Fox and discovered judaism.

wait, Glenn Beck is a Jew now?  I thought he is Mormon

352

I have a random OT question for the morons who have spent time overseas.

I'm attempting to subscribe to the Vatican Library's private online area and it requires all sorts of information. It's a bit odd because it asks for "Nation" but under that it asks for "Country."

Then it asks for "Address" but under that it asks for "Home Number" which I thought was a phone number but under that it asks for "Telephone."

I'm guessing that there's a difference in the way Americans and Europeans present their private info.

353 228 No, T-Paw is not VP material.  A VP has to be ruthless.

Santorum's methodical takedown of the Paulbots in the debate Thursday night is a good snapshot of what you need in a VP candidate.  He's also from an important swing state, like T. McCotter, who has been trolling for some attention as well.  Not suggesting either will be the VP nominee, but I don't think either have any real Presidential expectations this go round, so what else is there?

354

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 14, 2011 12:48 PM (G/MYk)

 

Wasn't Obama leaning on the ratings services the same way he leaned on the CBO?

I thought the White House was reportedly in contact with them prior to the deal being inked.

 

355 367 It seems to me that Fox has taken a definite turn to the left in the last 3 months or so. I wonder if this is the reason Beck left?
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Beck was losing it at the end. Thank God he left Fox and discovered judaism. He seems more at peace now. s/


Beck was ousted because he couldn't bring in ad revenue in his time slot.  THe show was popular with viewers, but he had made enough commentary that was controversial to scare advertisers away.

TV news is about money you know.

356 So what else is there? You're life has more credibility with "former Presidential candidate" attached to it. Think about it. "Former Presidential candidate (your name) died in a comic book store fire. He was 45.

357

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 14, 2011 12:56 PM (G/MYk)

 

Oh, I think you are 100% correct in your asessment. 

What Obama did was tantamount to buzzing Wall Street in his Corporate Jet...he wanted to see panic on the people's faces.

358 367 It seems to me that Fox has taken a definite turn to the left in the last 3 months or so. I wonder if this is the reason Beck left?
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Beck was losing it at the end. Thank God he left Fox and discovered judaism. He seems more at peace now. s/

Posted by: Spiker at August 14, 2011 12:43 PM (4t9J5)

Yeah Beck has been a little strange lately with his whole 'first they came for t-paw, and we did nothing' stuff with the Jews.  Not that I don't agree with him mostly, he's just going way overboard.

Becks show is strange in a lot of ways (how someone like him can put out 4 books a year is.... curious).  He thinks out loud too much and thinks these thoughts are book worthy, which they aren't.  'Broke' was such a bland political book I couldn't even finish it.

But he's one of the more outspoken conservatives, and in the end he's one of us.  We need all the help and allies we can get.  God help us if an idiot like Pelosi can take us unchallenged over the cliff she herself knows we'll go over.. she just hopes shes dead when it happens.  We need to stop the 'shovel the money into the furnace FASTER!' democrats.  They are suicidal

359 >>Now we have to wait to see who picks up the coveted Pawlenty endorsement. I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and say it won't be Bachman. I sense some tension between those two. Way to early to predict who the VP will be. It will be as it always is, an attempt to balance the ticket and make up for the real or perceived lacking of the eventual candidate. It looks to be shaping up as a two person race, Perry vs. Romney, so whichever of those two makes it through to the podium will pick a VP who shores up their resume. I think it's a tad early to be awarding the race to Perry, he's been in the race for 5 minutes and hasn't had to face the national media scrutiny yet. He'll take his hits for real and not so real shortcomings just like every other candidate. Interesting to see how he responds.

360 I have no idea why people are wasting their time speculating about VP choices here.  The obvious answer is Marco Rubio.  Rubio is going to be the VP for whoever wins the nomination, except if Bachmann somehow manages to win (Rubio would never sign on to that Titanic).

361

I have just a few questions for Perry though before I open the checkbook.  What's the deal with him being Al Gore's manager or something in 2000 and what's the deal with the illegal aliens getting cheap instate tuition and his reluctance to support Arizona's law on illegal aliens?

But, for the moment I am very happy with Perry/Pawlenty ticket, no to Herman Cain, sorry but he's a doofus, I'd rather see Allen West.

Perry is the only one who can stick it to Obama, Romney can't and won't and Huntsman is a non-starter and although I like Bachman, she always looks like a deer with it's eyes caught in the headlights of an oncoming semi.

362

S&P's using the fight over raising the debt ceiling as one of the reasons was subjective and I believe negotiated into there memo by Obama. They said the main reason was existing debt and runaway entitlements.

Without the big fight in Washington the defict wouldn't have been dealt with at all. Entitlements still weren't dealt with but the fact remains that the deal that was struck was the biggest debt increase in history and the most cuts to government spending in history.

Yeah they fought over it but they did it. S&P is giving downgrades for fighting now? I guess with London being burnt to the ground they should be getting their C rating any day now.

363

Attacking Bachmann was a major mistake. He acted like he needed to beat Bachmann first because they were both from Minnesota. This isn't March Madness, where you have to win your regional before going to the National tournament. Pawlenty should have ignored Bachmann and continued running against Romney and Obama. At any rate, if he's this stupid and gives up this easily, then it's better he's out of the race (to the extent he was ever really IN).

364 It finally happened to the stuttering clusterfuck and miserable failure.
Gallup.

365 384I have no idea why people are wasting their time speculating about VP choices here. The obvious answer is Marco Rubio. Rubio is going to be the VP for whoever wins the nomination, except if Bachmann somehow manages to win (Rubio would never sign on to that Titanic).

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 14, 2011 01:02 PM (hIWe1)

Sorry my italics aren't working on my laptop for some reason.

I thought Rubio couldn't be President or something because he parents weren't born here and he isn't a natural born citizen.  Albeit that didn't matter with Obozo and his British born father, but I'm sure it won't set precident or anything because Rubio is a Republican.

366 The question among the 3 leaders for nomination boils down to 2 simple questions: 1. Which one is most likely to GOTV? 2. Which one gives Obama the most problems? On the first: Perry & Romney bring the big establishment donors, but Bachmann can not; Bachmann & Perry bring the social conservatives, but Romney can not. On the second: there is so little to pick between Romney & Obama on the social issues, it would likely all come down to GOTV - at which Romney is weakest & Obama remains (unreasonably, but all major credible polls agree) capable. I guarantee the Dems most want to face Bachmann, and least want to face Perry. The big issue with the big mushy middle is going to be Jobs Jobs Jobs, & on that front: Romney has no cred (While governor of Massachusettistan, it was pretty much dead last among the states for creating jobs; plus, with his private enterprise experience, all the Dems have to do is walk thru example after example of the Bain Capital business model: buy a near-corpse, fire half or more of the employees, re-finance the cost of purchase against the asset base of the corpse including the employee pension account, sell the zombie & leave the purchaser to go bankrupt), whereas the best the Dems can do with Perry's record, #1 among all the states since 2008, is quibble & obfuscate.

367 What's the deal with him being Al Gore's manager or something in 2000

He was Al Gore's state campaign manager in 1988, not 2000.

368 And Gore actually ran as a conservative Democrat in '88. He has "lurched" wildly to the Left since then...

369 I asked you to tell me one area or characteristic where Barky beats Bachmann.  Just one.

Lying brazenly and often.  Oh, and stealing credit for others work.  Inflaming racial tensions while claiming to be "post-racial" in outlook.

Want any more?

370 >>He was Al Gore's state campaign manager in 1988, not 2000. And who was the Republican presidential candidate that year? And people wonder why there might be a small rift with the Bush wing of the party. Yeah, that's a real head scratcher.

371

He has "lurched"

 

I resemble that remark!

372 Perry/Rubio with Huntsman at State and Palin at Energy.

373 ""If Pawlenty thought going after Bachman instead of Obama and acting like a bitch weasel while doing it was a good strategy, he is too fucking stupid for the job.""



My thoughts exactly. The night of the debate when he started attacking bachman I was like dude what the fuck are you thinking? Bachman may not have a shot, but people like her.

374 Posted by: Billy Barty at August 14, 2011 01:00 PM (eXQfZ) ------------------------------------------- All good points Billy. Can't disagree with you at all About Beck putting out 4 books: A guy I work with has a son who was hired to do research for a chapter in one of Beck's books. So obviously Beck is outsourcing the work, which may be the way they do it these days. I know Beck did credit the kid for doing the work.

375 398 ""If Pawlenty thought going after Bachman instead of Obama and acting like a bitch weasel while doing it was a good strategy, he is too fucking stupid for the job.""

My thoughts exactly. The night of the debate when he started attacking bachman I was like dude what the fuck are you thinking? Bachman may not have a shot, but people like her.




Unfortunately, the way he had his campaign built--with Iowa front and center and no Plan B--he had to try to suppress her there.  He was playing from behind.

376

Maybe its escaped notice, but Bachmann's polls have tanked. She's now back around 8% in the national polls, where she was before all the hoopla.

The straw poll may provide a temporary bump, but the trend line is negative.

She now polls consistently behind the undeclared Palin.

But Romney has been using his stalking horse to keep a steady 10% or so separation from Palin, until ol Rick got involved, that is.

Perry has divided Romney's support and brought him back to within 5 points of the undeclared candidate, while being in no stronger a position himself.

Thanks Rick!

As Rick's record is vetted and the begged for Palin endorsement doesnt arrive, his trajectory will follow Bachmann's.  Once Palin is in, she'll squeeze to life out of them both and then fell Romney.

From the Palinista standpoint, its been a very good week.

And just a reminder, Ricksters, before all the f-bombing starts (does Pastor Rick know the kind of language his flock uses?):

Your sputtering indignation lilts musically.

377 I think Perry/Romney would be the strongest ticket.

378

Pawlenty wasn't going to win the nomination, anyway.  His debate performances were horrible, and he never put forth a convincing reason why he should be the nominee instead of someone else.

Palin isn't going to run and her supporters are becomine more annoying than the Paultards.  And I used to be a big Palin supporter, although I'm sure her kooky cultists will accuse me of suffering from PDS.  Up until late July, I was being pateint, believing she would get in the race.  Then July came and went without a word from her camp about her intentions. 

Now, it's mid-August and we have a serious, electable, authentic conservative in the race (Perry).  Palin's act is getting old.  Showing up in Iowa this week was an obvious ploy to redirect attention from the straw poll to herself and stir up another week of will she/won't she stories in the press...only this time, no one even cared, because they were too excited about Perry announcing on Saturday.  Your window is closed, Sarah.  Go home.

If you're a conservative, Perry is the only credible choice in this race.  Newsweek didn't have to work too hard to make Bachmann look like a flake (because she is), Cain has shown on multiple occasions he isn't ready for prime time, Gingrich sitting on the couch with Nanzi Pelosi rules him out, and Romney is a pandering opportunist squish who will say whatever he thinks people want him to say.

Perry/Rubio 2012.

379 401, I'm a Palin fan and I just want to say your Paulnut behavior is doing her no favors. She has excelled by being honest and above the filth. By representing her, your and your ilk defeat that. You want it, you got, Suck a dick you piece of fucking shit, I would like put a Ron Paul Sticker on my knuckles and place it on your face. If I were ace you would be banned, If I were Sarah Palin I would rebuke your language and tactics. You are a shameful representative of a fine woman.

380 Bachmann said she was confident that voters would choose her over Perry "because I have a demonstrated, proven record that I will fight for what people care about." Bless her heart

381 @2. "Kick the guy while he's down, why don't ya?"

Okay.

Well, it looks like ace's political acumen is as keen as ever.

Oh, you meant "T-Paw."

382 But Romney has been using his stalking horse to keep a steady 10% or so separation from Palin, until ol Rick got involved, that is. This argument I see pop up from time to time is beyond weird. 1. Romney wants Palin to get in, because she reenforces his electability argument. He lost a primary; she lost a national election and quit halfway through her first gubernatorial term. 2. Palin commands the spotlight, but Romney has been playing possum, so that suits him fine. 3. His real nightmare is Perry, who has a better record on jobs, has more conservative grassroots appeal and is a better fundraiser and campaigner. You are out of your fucking mind.

383 405Bachmann said she was confident that voters would choose her over Perry "because I have a demonstrated, proven record that I will fight for what people care about." Bless her heart

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 14, 2011 02:25 PM (H/Wdv)

And as Pawlenty pointed out, Bachmann also has a record of accomplishing absolutely nothing.

Anyone can rant, rave, and complain, but actually leading is a totally different thing.  Bachmann's not a leader, and I doubt she would accomplish much even if she did become president.  She has no executive experience, and even worse, she has no record of accomplishments.  Just a bunch of house floor speeches bitching and raising hell.  We might as well nominate Michael Savage.

384 I think Perry/Romney would be the strangest ticket. FIFY

385 402, Too many roosters in the henhouse.

386 And as Pawlenty pointed out, Bachmann also has a record of accomplishing absolutely nothing. Perry just has to stand next to her on a debate stage, and she loses. Bachmann is all hat, no cattle. She got TPaw out of the race, and I'm done with her. Unless I have no other choice, and she is the nominee.

387 Can any (sane) person see a conservative Democrat voting for Bachmann or Palin?

Posted by: Joffen at August 14, 2011 12:42 PM (PBnLr)

Does this answer your question?

Posted by: navycopjoe aka Palinista Extremo at August 14, 2011 12:40 PM (R7NIt)

Yeah, he's a Democrat.

 

388

404:

I am not a Palin representative and I used no coarse language, but I'm not a prude and I dont mind if you do.

Its aces' blog and he can ban whomever, if failing to worship ol Rick and doing poll analysis are banable, so be it.

Presumably foul mouthed , threatening rants arent.  Again, Palin supporters are used to that.  You dont seem like a  Palin supporter; apparently youre a Rickster newbie, with skin that thin.

You lilt muscially, scooter.

407:

Your response makes no logical sense regarding Palin, and regarding Perry, you support my own point:  They are dividing the same voter pool.

So I must not be too far out of my effing mind, right?

 

 

389 They are dividing the same voter pool. That would only be if they were interchangeable. Bachmann and Palin, perhaps. Palin is stepping up in class when she competes with Perry. Grassroots? He's got their support. National name recognition? He's got it. Star power? He has gravitas. The whole package. Palin has huge negatives. The only person who loses from Palin being in the race is Palin. Both Perry and Palin draw from Romney's support, but Perry comes out ahead.

390 413, That's why they call it a Primary, Idiot. We are looking at them, listening to them, learning who they are. Sharing thoughts and comparing facts. Those are concepts Libtards and Paulbots just don't get. "You lilt muscially, scooter." What Daily Kos moron did you steal that from?

391 August 9, 2011 Gallup poll Perry's name ID among Republicans nationwide has remained static in the 54% to 56% range over the last five weeks. Romney and Iowa native Michele Bachmann, by contrast, have name recognition scores of 86% and 78%, respectively. Perry's strong Positive Intensity Score among Republicans who know him -- 23 for July 25-Aug. 7 -- remains a strong plus for him. Perry's score is slightly higher than the less well-known Herman Cain's (22) ; it is also higher than Sarah Palin's (1 , Bachmann's (1 , and Romney's (14).

392 What Daily Kos moron did you steal that from? Posted by: Oldsailors poet at August 14, 2011 03:28 PM (ZDUD4) Sounds like he stole their Klonopin stash.

393 Quitters never win, and winners never quit.(In case it hasn't been said already) Tim YawnPlenty is a quitter/loser who the dustbin of history will not remember.

394

Tattoo: 

The polling trends which include both Perry and Romney bear out that they divide the same voter pool.

Why does that fact devastate you so?  Proably because it highlights Perry's dependence on Palin's endorsement to avoid poll stagnation, an endorsement which isnt coming.

The tough cowpoke cant do it alone, the dumb Barbie wont do the right thing and give it to him, so somebody's got to get f-bombed.

Calling Dr. Freud!

Old Sailor:

Never been to Kos, but apparently you have.  Are they stealing my tag lines over there?

395 "I know several people who voted FOR Mclame because he brought Sarah on board. Till then his campain was slack and listless." What part of "Vote for McCain because... well... there he is..." wasn't absolutely riveting for you?

396

The left was enraged by Sarah Palin. It's impossible to separate the numbers to determine how much of O's margin was due to him, and how much was due to "STOP THAT WOMAN!" Probably not a big number because she was the VP candidate.

But as a presidential nominee, a pro-life, conservative woman would ignite the left. Might be exactly what they need to counter their own malaise over O's failure to fulfill their dreams.

Not to worry.  The Grand Old Porkbarrell has it covered.  We nominate TheeRomney.  Simple.  No one gets enraged or excited.  The left and the right stay home and its down to the independents sacred independents choosing between the first Black president and some rich White guy with Brilcream hair.   Easy call that one: Obama loses in a landslide.  

P.S.  We need to elect as many RINOs as possible to the Senate so we can have the committee chairs, K Street will return our calls again, and we won't have to use the small restrooms. 

397 The polling trends which include both Perry and Romney bear out that they divide the same voter pool. regarding Palin, and regarding Perry: They are dividing the same voter pool. Well, which is it, scooter? It sounds like they're all running in the Republican party, in which, yes, they're all splitting each other's votes, and you're on glue.

398 Thank you for the good writeup. It in fact was a amusement account it. Look advanced to more added agreeable from you! However, how could we communicate?

399 You can always tell what a jackass a failed campaign was by who they pick to support. If they choose a back of the pack moderate, or worse, I always feel grateful that they crashed and burned. One mistake eliminated! And their support won't go anywhere this early in the campaign (plus, hopefully, they are so out of cash they can't help that way either). Wee!

400

Tattoo:

Sorry to check in late, had to wash my motorcycle.

Your italics at 423 are understood to be quotations from my earlier post(s), in which case you are deliberately inventing something I did not say.

But that's what losers do.

Does Pastor Rick know you lie as well as cuss?

401 Your italics at 423 are understood to be quotations from my earlier post(s), in which case you are deliberately inventing something I did not say. I cut and pasted your comments. Can't stand by your own words? The first was made at 3:55 pm, and the second was made at 2:56 pm. Btw, Palin is as unabashedly God-fearing as Perry, and I doubt her supporters would attack him for his Christian faith. Your writing style reminds me of a troll I came across who claimed to have a shitty screenplay in the works and even a literary agent. Hey buddy, if you're so cool, then get a fucking life.

402 I will read the thread, but if it hasn't been said, Tim Pawlenty gets on board the Rick Perry Project, things'd start lookinging up for the Governor!

403 Pawlenty was drawing some "Romney" voters, but Perry and Palin (who will not run) would be looking at a completely different primary voter.  The difference is Perry has a broader appeal, while Palin's is more loyal and dedicated. 

Of course, around here and HA, "loyal and dedicated" means "freakishly obsessed stalker type one phone call away from a TRO" . . .

404
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405

#50

 

Cool Czech.  Stop with the sock puppets you loser.

 

Now that Pawlenty's gone, Romney and his pal Perry need to go cry in their beer at the RINO country club and leave the party to real conservatives.

406 "Stop, already.  We support Bachmann for her positions, her consistency, and her intestinal fortitude.  We've been explaining this for a very long time.  If you have a question about a position, then ask it."

Bachmann has those things.  She believes what she says and is genuine.

Can she successfully handle a job like the presidency?  What sane person who isn't an incredibly experienced leader, thinks they can?  The government is unweildly and the effort to fix that is like a snow man herding cats made of plasma.

Bachmann knows we're in deep trouble, so even a desperate gambit to be there to fix it is justified.  But I don't think she is ready.  That is not a slight against her.  It's like saying Lance Armstrong and his bike aren't ready for the Indy 500.

I think Rick Perry, with all his experience and reputation for hard work, and his handling of a variety of hardships without resorting to intrusive government, is ready.

I've voted for Perry every time he's run for Governor, but I can't say I ever really thought of him as a national level politician.  I never really associated him with any major success.  I think that's the key.  He's just an experienced leader who doesn't want government to be the answer to my problems.

It's infinitely easier for a politician of low executive experience to say all the right things.  Mitt Romney, without experience as governor, would probably look awesome.  Without Bachmann being a governor, I do not know how she will handle impossible situations.

407

Give us a break all you sock puppets.  Pawlenty will probably endorse Obama, followed by Romney and then Perry.  I mean RINOs have to stick together, and the next best thing to a RINO is a full bloooded Marxist.

 

Its awfully hard to support a Romney given his pathetic record.  Perry has a better record but is hardly a conservative no matter how much he pretends.  He is a Bushite RINO.

 

I would like to know if anyone would buy a used car from Romney  or from Perry